103 YEAR Old Doctor Reveals The Secrets To Living Longer, Happier & Healthier - Dr. Gladys McGarey

I know I still have a message to share with people because people are scared and they're confused and they and they're Reaching For What I Call our true Humanity Dr Gladis McGary is a medical doctor an author and recognized as the mother of holistic medicine she co-founded the American holistic Medical Association helping the world re-envision how we understand healthare and selfcare when you get down to the basic Center aspect of what healing is all about it's about love and life her career accolades span over 7even decades she has mentored some of today's most influential doctors

and even had a chance encounter with Gandhi he looked straight into my eyes and I into looked into his and something happened the icon is a show where we learn life lessons from those whove achieved iconic success and today we have the privilege of having a conversation with Dr glattus McGary Dr glattus I'm honored welcome to the icons by moiv thank you for having me absolute pleasure now you are the mother of holistic medicine and I wonder when it comes to living truly healthy Lives why aren't more people living to your age what are we

missing well people are frightened and and and we I was talking to a grand a granddaughter who's in you know she's in the let's see she's 30s and she was saying people her age really don't they have too many choices they don't know what to choose they're looking for something but they don't know what to choose so we've got so much in the way of stuff and things and procedures and whatever that it's that we confuse people and it's time well you know what I'm been working with all my life is the idea of having

people understand what healing really is and so we'll keep working at that and people will find their own way of doing it because it's a personal thing so and and what would you say healing is all healing comes from inside ourselves we have the position on the outside and the position on the inside my oldest son is a retired orthopedic surgeon and when he came through Phoenix he as he was just getting ready to go down to Del Rio Texas to do start his practice and he said to me Mom you know I'm real scared

I'm going to go into the world I'm going to have people's lives in my hands I don't know if I can handle that and I said to him well Carl if you think you're the one that does the healing you have a right to be scared but if you can understand that you are trained to do this amazing stuff called orthopedic those of us who need that kind of therapy really need that kind of therapy but when that you've done your job then you Coop and during the time that you're doing your job you cooperate

with what I call the physician within the patient who then takes what you're saying and what you've done and makes the healing work because if the patient doesn't understand what you're saying if the if their body doesn't re recognize what you're saying if the if it just seems like they're not they don't want to do it or something then they may not do it and it may not heal but it may because they have their own process but it's this reality that all healing comes from within us and all healing is based on love that's

the center of of of holistic healing love is the center yes I understand you did your medical training during World War II it was probably a very different time for medicine and then you were starting this idea of holistic medicine and now I mean the term is well known many people practice it but I understand that you were part of the group that even needed to decide how to spell the word I mean you were that foundational yeah it took us two years to after we' started the holistic medicine concept to really realize how we

want to spell it because we we finally came up with the reality that the word that we were looking for for a root word was Health healing and holy that inner aspect of our being that had been totally ignored as I was taught about my body and mind I mean I it was very important to understand my body and my mind but uh my the dean my school sent me to the psychiatrist two different times because I kept asking questions that you know seemed whacka dooodle so but the the psychiatrist sends me back and I

go back into medical school I was at the only Med uh Women's Medical College in the country and we started with 50 students in my freshman year and only 25 of us graduated because the con the idea was we had to be tougher and meaner and smarter than men so you know it was it was a and there was a war on I mean the war started and we and and medicine was re reeling with the idea that their job was to cure diseases and to kill pain so it was killing and War and a

war that was holding the whole field of medicine together and it's still doing that and I think there's much more to it than that wow I mean I I think about those ideas and that they're groundbreaking even today this idea that the healing can come from within us um that medicine can be about living not about you know the the the reduction or the killing of things I can only imagine how novel that was or how new that was decades ago what did it take to be a Trailblazer of these new ideas well I just

knew that I had to I I knew when I was two that I was a doctor my parents were medical missionaries in India and I my dolls kept getting sick and my sister wouldn't let me play with her dolls because her dolls might get sick because my dolls got sick and all that kind of stuff but so in reality I came into this world to do this work and it's been a privilege and an honor to have the um reality of working with it as people have understood it you know even after we started the

holistic medical work and we I was standing in the grocery store down here in Scottdale and over the PA system this must have been uh 15 20 years ago over the PA system I heard the the hardware store down the street announcing itself as a holistic hardware store so I stopped my cart and I said well there you have it they don't know what it means but they the word has become a household word and so then I started using the word that I had been using which was living medicine it takes it to the

next level of understanding what healing really is the whole concept that life itself is what be heals I think a lot of people want to really hear that and and embody it why do you think cuz I think for most of us that would be what we want but we get stuck with something what do you you think we're getting stuck with when we're trying to embrace living medicine because we really don't understand our own power see I have this kind of idea that when God created this Earth whoever God is to whoever you are

is it was it was created the Earth and it was beautiful and everything was in place and the way it should be but then he created the human human being and he said to us now you are the only creatures on this whole place that have the right to choose and have free will so therefore I give you dominion over the Earth and we being who we were decided that what he meant by Dominion was dominance and so we've taken over the Earth and done be darn well choosed with it and look where we are

so it's that reality that within us as human beings I think that like ET who was reaching for home I think that in the inner part of us we're all reaching for our true humanity and that true Humanity understands that we are the ones who do the healing the the healing has to start with it doesn't matter anything if I can explain to a a patient and they're thinking about something else they not listening and they're not taking in anything and they won't do what they what I'm asking them or what they begin to understand

what I'm asking them or whatever if they don't do what they need to do to as part of their healing process they'll just Shu it off see I have I've come up with what I call five L's the first one is life and love without life there's nothing you know you can be a a seed in the Great Pyramid for 5,000 years and no nothing happens until love which is light and water and so on softens the shell shell and the light and the seed opens up and it grows life and love are one unit

they work together they it's like a pregnancy the uh when when a mother is pregnant she and that baby are one unit they what she eats the baby eats what she thinks the baby thinks it's a constant process but that that aspect of reality that is that baby that is being nurtured and and grown within the womb doesn't really find its own identity until it takes its first breath and then it becomes who it is take it takes the reason why it's coming into this Earth so it's this reality that life and love are un

one unit and that as we work with us each other that way we can really understand aspects of ourselves but aspects of of the world around us and as aspect of other people too you mentioned earlier that sometimes what gets in the way for people as we're scared and also we don't understand our our own power I I heard that at one point in your life growing up that you were called the class dummy now obviously that's not true but it sounded like it had a a significant impact on you what was happening for you

at that time and what did that help you learn well when I was uh actually before I started school I thought life was perfect because I was just running around in the with my parents helping with their what they were doing and so on and so forth but when I started school I couldn't read I I couldn't the N the figures that the the nothing stayed still on a page and so well and we we didn't know about a dyslexia that was not a term that was um identified who people like me were but so

I was the class dummy and I flunked first grade and I had to repeat first grade and the teacher called me the dummy you know it was I had this uh deep soul wounding when I was in starting school and fortunately uh at home it was a whole different picture but at school it was it I just hated it I I just I was so afraid I was so broken I was so everything until I started third grade but my third grade teacher saw something in me that the other had not and she appointed me

class governor and so I got to uh do things like take what we had done in our class and and identif and and take it to the whole student body I mean I could talk and I could tell stories and I could do a lot of things like that but I couldn't read I couldn't write I couldn't add I couldn't subtract I couldn't do school stuff so you know it it it I didn't really find my voice so that I could depend on it until I was 93 but that was in a dream that I

found that out I was constantly rechecking what I had written or what I had said having somebody check say you know is that okay uh you know I I was that damaged but when I was 93 I had a dream that helped that so I'm thinking about you as a child with this experience at school um that impacted you until you were 93 and obviously you had a a large amount of Career Success life success and I think about the students who are feeling that way now maybe somebody's calling them the class dummy or they're

feeling like they're the class dummy and and and it isn't true but they're feeling that way what's your advice if you could speak to those those children well um let me tell you what happened act in consequence when we started part of the American holistic Medical Association there was 10 of us sitting around doctors sitting around the table and we as we got to talking we realized that six of us were dyslexic so what it did to for us was say well that's why uh we are looking for something different because I don't know how

I learned to read I don't know how I learned to do the things that I but there are are different ways of learning and practicing and doing things when we begin to look for different ways and when everything has to be done with with a certain protocol and so on we're leaving a bunch of children a bunch of people out of the mix because some of the smartest people around on this planet are people who actually were um in my category of being the class dumbbell because what what made sense to other people didn't make

sense to me that's why I had to go to the psychiatrist you know I mean it was it was crazy stuff I got goosebumps as you said that I feel like the way you described that you know looking back you could then see how that challenge that you were working on when you were younger ended up being the strength that really allowed you to challenge the world and see things differently learn differently through your whole life absolutely in fact when I was in third grades and that our class had a play that we were supposed

to do for the whole student body and since I was and and the play was the frog jumped over the pond and since I was I you know I was older than the other kids I was a year older I was taller and I could jump over the pond so I had the opportunity to take this play to the in front of our whole student body and I was real proud of that and my mother made me a uh a a frog suit dyed it green and all so I walked out on that stage with

full confidence I was going to do this thing but as I looked at the audience I saw my two older brothers there and it just threw me off my I stepped just enough so that instead of jumping over the pond I landed in it and the whole student body just they took what one big and then they started laughing well I was I started crying I couldn't move I couldn't get out of the pond I was stuck in the pond and the teacher had to come and Lead me off of the stage so at dinner

that night my mother was an amazing person and dinner that night we were at the table and my brothers were telling everybody how what a big joke that was and how funny it was I was giving them the devil's eye and they didn't care so you know it was just one of those things and finally my mother said to them all right boys now you've had your fun what can we as a family do to help glattus in case this ever happens to her in the future and it turned out that really what she gave

me was a tool to take these things that cuz if you have stuff like dyslexia you're kind of clumsy and you tend to stumb and fall you know I do that I walk up to a Podium and I trip and but I found that if I can take like I tripped in uh big huge conference that I was doing and uh instead of saying anything other than I got to the podium and I said oh I'm such a drama queen well as soon as I said that I had the audience in my hand I learned

that I could take these struggles of my life and make them into points of humor and if you could get the audience laughing with you I had my audience in my hand before I even started so it's the understanding that that these things that are part of our very being if we can understand that you take what you have and you use what you have and make the most of it and that's the kind of lesson that my mother taught me she said make she her statement was well just make do and it's been such

a helpful thing you take what you have and you make do wow Dr gladus so you're young have this experience it's scarring to a certain extent it helps you kind of shape who you are over time but you then find your voice at 93 I'm I'm I'm thinking about all the people out there who feel like there's something they're hanging on to that feels like a scar they're looking for their voice how do they find it how did you find it I I've paid attention to my dreams dreams very often gave me the answer or

I paid attention to what actually was working in my life or something that called me but it was a dream that gave me my the find the answer to it because uh you know I was asking people to help help me with stuff all the time but I had this dream when I was 93 I woke up singing and um and laughing and but I was kind of in the dream and kind of out of the dream and when I realized what I was doing I saw myself as 9-year-old glattus coming out of the tent

that we were the family was in in the jungles of North India and I was going to do something that we weren't supposed to do in our family on Sunday mornings and I knew in the dream that it was a Sunday morning and that was sing anything but hymns and pons on Sunday mornings I mean that was what we were supposed to do and I thought it was a stupid Rule and I was I was going to not do that and I knew I knew I was breaking the rules so I was checking out under

the uh um tent clap and my brother wasn't there cuz he would have reported me then I'd been in trouble so I ran up to the a mango tree and ran to the top of the mango tree and I'm sitting in that mango tree and I'm singing I'm singing any old thing that I wanted to sing I was singing caterpillar Song and all that kind of stuff and uh all but then I got to thinking well you know maybe you don't know every so I began to doubt and I looked over my right shoulder and

Jesus was up in the tree with me now I looked over and I said ah and he was laughing and I said Jesus loves a little children right and he says yes so then I go back to my singing and then I think did he really say yes and so I look back over my shoulder and I say I'm still a little children right and he said yes so I went back to my singing and that's when I woke up singing and laughing and I realized that who what was I talking about if Jesus accepted

me for crying out loud maybe my voice was worth something and so after that I stopped doubting the words that that were coming out of my mouth that I thought were real and were really important but the dreams are have been huge in my uh understanding of who and what I am it sounds like it speaks to the power of that idea that healing comes from within and um i' I've heard that you have a a mantra and I'm curious about this that never give up how have you used that Mantra in your life well

it started with um my dad and I remember being probably 9 years old and I was doing something and I said oh I give up and he looks at me and he says are you a quitter and I thought oh man that's like being a liar no no I'm not a quitter and if I you know look back there's Satan's it's so important for us to understand what we teach our children and these are things that were really um brought to me so that I could understand the kind of life that I was going to

actually live and so yeah I I I had the make do I had to let go I had to U my mother taught me how to not take things in and and say that was horrible I hurt my feelings and I could just let it go and say k it doesn't matter the things that that you accept and really understand to be the kind of the core you know I'm about oh 15 20 years ago I came up with a A for myself a kind of a structure for philosophy that I was building and all

the first L was life and love and those those two came together and I understood those but the third one was laughter laughter without love is cruel it's mean it it takes families apart it it has caused Wars you know laughter can be cruel but laughter with love is joy and happiness and the third the fourth L is labor labor without love love is drudgery it's it's you just got to go to work you just got to do this you know too many diapers just and and but labor with Love Is Bliss it's why you

we singers sing why painters paint it's why I do what I do it's why you do what you do it's what makes our heart sing it's that inner aspect of our being that is comes alive and and we'll work five times as hard as we were when we were dragging ourselves along with the drudgery thing and the fifth one is listening listening without love is empty sound it just doesn't make any sense you don't understand but listening with love is understanding so these five loves I mean the five lves have been very helpful for me

in structuring and understanding the the philosophy and the life that I'm working with when you mentioned that the center of holistic medicine or or living medicine is love and you describe these these five L's living love laughter labor and listening and you kept relating it back to love it really does feel like at the center of this philosophy is love yes yes it it really is because life and love are one unit you know it's it's you know there's so many amazing things have happened in my life I have here a vest that I got

from an Afghani woman when I was when I was 86 years old and can you see it I can see it it's beautiful uh I my brother Carl Taylor who started um future Generations um was they were trying to get understand why the birth the the death rate in women in Afghanistan was higher than any place else in the world and they couldn't get an answer and so I was just ready to retire from my practice in medicine and so he said invited me to come over and spend time with future generations and and because

he had the idea that if a woman could come and ask some questions maybe they could get some answers that would help them these mothers so I went over and spent time with 10 with 30 um women at a time that would come and spend a week and we we rented a little a house and we could spend there when we first started talking about it we Dr Hassan shukria Hassan was an Afghan woman doctor an amazing do doctor who' been kicked out of her family and everything because because she was talking to men and

whatever anyway she asked the men of the village if we could talk to their wives and they said no you know well then he she said but we're really talking about your mothers-in-law well that was okay so we got their mothers-in-law they were really the ones we wanted to talk to because they' had the babies and they knew what was going on but they didn't know anything about birthing they knew what how they'd gotten pregnant but they knew nothing about what was going on within their own body and so the practices that they had were

when when they when they got pregnant they were not supposed to eat what anything that that had calcium uh in it like eggs and carrots and uh yogurt and so on they just were told they weren't supposed to eat that so they didn't and then when they went into labor they weren't given anything to eat or drink so you've got a starved woman hypocalcemic because when they talk to us about being in labor most all of them would do this which is hypercalcemic tiany and they so you know they were so their muscles were in

spasm but they couldn't push because they didn't have the strength to push so some from the someone from the outside would push until they push the baby out so you ended up with a prolapsed uterus with all kinds of or trauma to the body and the women died and the babies died and so uh what I had a little chalk board and I had a piece of chalk and I was able to explain to them about the sperm and the ovam and how it came together and all this so when I did that the one

woman said how many sperm of course I had an interpreter doctor Hassan was interpreting for me and I said well there are millions of sperm and she said how many eggs and I said one and that egg gets to choose what sperm it wants and you all of those women put their shoulders back and for they had something that they had control of but it was so it was such an amazing um experience for me these 35 women went home and taught what we had taught them and within 6 months the whole practice of of

of cetric in Afghanistan changed but as I was leaving the um the a campus sort of I had but I left home I i' grabbed a bunch of safety pins and stuck them in my suitcase well I gave each one of those women three safety pins and they'd never seen a safety pin you'd have thought I'd given them the moon this was such a lovely thing for them to have and one of the women came up to the um car as we were leaving and she took this vest which was her wedding vest she took

it off and she gave it to me it's she had worn it her whole life you can and when you feel it you feel the life and energy and so on that's in this vest it's it was such an amazing Pro opportunity to take what you know the thing that we really understand and share it with somebody who would people were dying because they didn't know so and and this goes on and on but uh it it's that kind of reality that life really really needs to reach out to other people and we need to

understand how life gets stuck The Afghani women for some way reason were stuck with this idea and their babies were dying and they were dying but when they understood oh these women just latched onto that and they were they've gone with it and and uh they're not the most you know they really come up on the scale and uh it it it's it's amazing the power of sharing ideas I think it's just extraordinary when you when you tell that story I can I can imagine the the impact that would have been for the for the

women you were meeting with but also for yourself with that gift I I've had the opportunity and it has been an opportunity to sit in villages in India and and be a listener um it's it's rooms full of women about 20 to 30 who are asking questions of each other to share knowledge that they don't yet they haven't yet discovered and through that they start to open up new new Pathways for their families and for themselves and the the power they feel from that and the opportunity that come from that it um I I have

a sense for what that feels like women what women learn they teach it's it's within us we do that we teach our children but we also teach the world so the it it's really important for the women of the country to understand things and and you know what an a amazing opportunity I had the gift that I was given with this vest just identifies the gift that we shared as women for that one week while we were doing the work that was there what a privilege what what women learn they teach wow and and you've

been a teacher you've you've been a doctor but you've been writing books and you've just put out a new book the the the well-lived life where you share six Secrets what do you hope people learn from that book I hope they really understand about love love being the teacher and love being the essence of healing and I also you know we have this horrible thing in in our country where young men are going and shooting their classmates and so on I I think it's a horrible thing that's happening and I kind of think that maybe

these young men are people who have never understood about Love and Death you know you can watch a TV or a program and your hero is alive one day but then he dies in the program and then the next day he's alive and then he dies and then the next day and he dies you know he always comes back so maybe maybe they don't have never experienced the death of a pet or a death of a family member but maybe maybe some of them have never experienced really love and so if they don't understand the

the whole process of life and love they don't understand that when they shoot somebody they're killing something very very important I think that if if that's so you know it's if if a child has never experienced love then it's sort of like if you have a a friend who is has been um blind since birth and you try to teach them about the color green they can't ex they they can't understand it because they've never experienced it if if a child has never experienced Love and Death how are they going to understand what they're doing

what the what the these acts really are I think that if we put dogs as guardian dogs in classrooms we might be able to help these children to do something about this spot in them in their psyche which has not never been healed if they had a dog in the classroom that dog would teach them about love it wouldn't come up to the child if the child was afraid of them but it would the moment the child reached out to them that dog would be right there with them and it would and and then if

that dog died they would understand it I it's it's a whole idea of having living beings in our care and and working with them so that the CH the children who are damaged this way I don't know that my theory is correct but if that has something to do with it I think it would be a wonderful thing to put Guardian dogs in classrooms you'd have a whole new profession you know to do this anyway uh I throw that out someplace along the line somebody's going to get that idea and I think we're going to

be able to do it I think it's the most beautiful and radical idea I mean it feels like it it feels like that's what you've shared your whole career beautiful and radical ideas this this notion that medicine could be flipped from killing to living that we could put love in the center of it and we could recognize that the healing comes from the inside I think these messages are just Transcendent and not be afraid of love you know uh it it's it's the very essence of our being and if we can accept it and share

it and not try to you know you can't save it it's it's an energy you don't save energy you have to use it if you don't choose it it dies what are your habits and your routines and your ritual uals that have allowed you to stay so mentally and physically sharp well one thing was uh when I had this house built I had my bedroom built upstairs so I'd have to go upstairs every night to go to bed and that's been a good thing I go up and down my steps it's been very helpful because

I understand the importance of movement I understand the importance of walk I try very hard to um walk 3,800 steps in my little house here with my Walker because I think it's very very important to walk I get up in the morning and I do my little prayers and then I I each um raisin brand and and cres for breakfast and with uh lact lactose free milk and you know and then then my day starts and it depends on where I am uh in the in the uh process of my life as to what I

do you know when I was practicing many medicine I went to work and did that but now I've got to I'm busy I I am talking to you I'll be talking to somebody else this afternoon and it's because I think that um I still have a message I I don't think I know I still have a message to share with people because people are scared and they're confused and they and they're reaching for what I I call our true Humanity like ET was reaching for home within us is a real knowing of who we as

human beings are and we're we're trying to be that and so if we if we can find ways in which we can understand this for ourselves pay attention to your dreams pay attention to what as far as what you eat what is it that makes you feel good I have a son that can't eat garlic well the rest of us all love garlic but you don't want to be around him if he's eating Garlic you know it's just the the reality that our bodies know what we can do and how we can uh if we

pay attention to having our food as fresh as possible as uncontaminated with chemicals and things as possible but sometimes there people people living in this world who you just have to have a scrap of a Crum of bread you know it's I'm just grateful to have food so I'm grateful to have food and I'm grateful that that I can get fresh fruits and and fresh vegetables and so on because that's what I choose because it makes me feel better and so and then we need a community we we need to my spirit needs to Bear

witness with thy Spirit we need to let the energy of our being move and help and as we help others we help ourselves it's that that life flow that is so essential I agree you've got messages to share I think about if I kind of think about some of the audience that watches our videos 20-year-olds that would be feeling a lot of the the emotions that you've described you know they're excited about A Life That's ahead of them but they're scared they may be holding on to scars that have come from some some part of

their upbringing what advice do you have for people who are about 20 years old right now try to try to find joy and happiness find it find something that makes you laugh really gut laugh not not something mean but something that really makes you feel like oh that's really really funny and look for that kind of of a of reality in your lives and then spend time looking for what I call the light you know I kind of see myself walking along with a flashlight in the dark on my path and it's dark and I

can just just go as far as my flashlight takes me but as I'm walking along sometimes there's a on the side of the path there's a a light that is not very bright it's just kind of shimmering if I shine my light over there all of a sudden that light becomes great it com in other words as we reach out for each other as we're walking along and we see each someone else who's struggling and we reach over just with whatever we have you know my mothers make do whatever there is there whatever the the

uh opportunity is and you use it and you work forward with it uh you you're you're helping people in ways that you know not I hope uh 20-year-olds can hear that I hope a lot of others can hear that too I think that's really powerful and you know I think as we've kind of gone through this conversation some of these lessons that have emerged that feel Timeless um I understand that you had a chance to meet one of the H one of History's Greatest teachers you met Gandhi at one point can you tell me a

little bit about that I was 10 years old we were leaving India to come to the States because every 6 and 1/2 years my parents had a Furlow where they were able to come home and meet with their families and so on and then go back out to India but we were in the train and leaving RI to go to Bombay and I was really sad cuz I didn't want to leave India and I knew I had to and so I'm I'm sitting in the train with my face plastered against the window really looking out

and there were hug in India there always crowds of people well there were crowds of people here but there there was a man walking in front of this crowd and he had on a and a staff and I recognized him as Gandhi and he was just walking along and when he it came into my sight not right up at my window I at all but and my line of vision is what I'm coming and he reached down a little girl was handing him a flower he took the flower and he as he looked up he

looked straight into my eyes and I into looked into his and something happened I can't explain to you what happened I can't explain to anybody I can't even explain it to myself but I felt a connection of love that was really really important to me and so that that was just a moment I watched him go on with the Salt March that he was doing and so on 30 years later my parents were working with Gandhi as the as India was torn apart with the partition Hindus and Mam and killing each it was just awful

and uh my parents had their little Medical Jeep and they took it around to camps and did what they could but and whe When Gandhi was speaking my my dad would get up on the platform with him and they would talk together to the people and and Gandhi and my my mother and father formed a friendship that was um my dad my Gandhi gave my mother a a uh cashmir blue Shaw and my dad a a py putt blanket in other words it was a close enough relationship in the family that this was being done

the uh the exchange of gifts as a a uh symbol of the respect that they had for each other and so I feel feel that that love was was that spark was started when I was 10 years old and our family connect connection kept that going so it's it's that it's recognizing when something like that happens you know and and not poo pooing not not shoving it under the carpet and say oh well that was just then I you know because those are the things happen I've I've I've looked at people sometimes and been able

to feel that with them and I don't even know who they are you know I recognized Gandhi but there are a lot of people that are walking around who don't who seem lost and so on and if you can smile at them and and speak to them and and recognize them people are waiting to be recognized and if you that's what Gandhi did when he looked at me and I looked at him I recognized him and he recognized me and that's still with me but this ability to to really recognize each other as real people

living beings that are that that are in the same world as we are uh that love flows and love has to keep on flowing or it dies we have to reach to each other i' I've read a quote of yours it's hard to put a size on things that happen in your life and I'm I'm thinking of this 10-year-old who sees Gandhi and Gandhi sees them and truly sees them and you feel this connection of love and then I'm hearing you talk about love as the center of your life's work that has spend over seven

decades of professional work right right wow yes thank you for repeating that for me what do you hope your legacy is that love is what really matters in Long Run is what really matters you know uh I was talking to uh one one of the hospital one of the people runs these hospitals and he said to me well I don't know how to to uh uh coordinate the osteopath the naturopath the the different and he went through the different modalities of medicine that are first showing up and I said to him well you know I

don't think it's the mo modality that's the most important I think it the way that modality is used if it's used with love it'll bring healing if it's not used with love it'll just fix something and fixing something doesn't always heal it so it it it's that reality that love when you get down to the basic Center aspect of what healing is all about it's about love and life love and life keep Keep Us Alive and keep us healthy or sick because everything that some of the sicknesses that we have are our big teachers look

what dyslexia did for me and other holistic doctors I I think you will be remembered that way from this brief conversation just having this moment to connect with you I feel like there's been one word that stood out amongst the rest and it's it's four letters long and I'll remember you for it thank you likewise thank you I've been looking forward to asking this final question Dr gladus what's next well I I have a 10year plan I don't know whether I'll leave 10 years not it's not but during this time I want to start to

I want to be able to work with and create well it's already being created a village for living medicine where love and life are the center of the whole village and we have a pattern for the way it can be brought together and it can happen any place on the Earth where love and life are the central healing aspect of what the village is is about so we have you know but my hope my prayer is that we as humans we continue to walk and and reach for our true Humanity as we find others who

are doing the same thing and then we form community because Community is really really important thank you for one of the more memorable conversations I can remember in my life I really appreciate this thank you thank you