The Future of Immortality: AI’s Role in ENDING Aging | Peter Diamandis

There is a very high correlation between your beliefs your mindset and your physical body optimists live 15% longer than pessimist you and I can both do uh two to four weeks of reading papers in 10 minutes doing anything intentionally that hurts for a minute or so up to 3 minutes it changes dopamine sensitivity throughout the rest of the day it takes less dopamine to motivate you so you're happier and you're less stressed all day Long 99.9% of the world have no idea what's going on inside their bodies and one of the things that's important to

realize is your body is incredibly good at hiding disease you don't feel cancer until it's stage three or stage four for you what's the highest return longevity thing you've ever done you're listening to the human upgrade with Dave asre today's guest is none other than my dear friend Peter diamandis um I got to know pet More than 10 years ago when I went to I believe it was a 2014 abundance 360 meeting and uh very quickly found myself at JPL with Peter as he led a tour as I held Luna Rovers and met the guy

in charge of stopping asteroids from hitting the planet and toured SpaceX and met Elon and went through this just in incredible experience of looking at the future of technology and I've been attending Peter's events ever since uh and one thing that I love about Peter And that you're going to love in this episode is that Peter actually is a rocket scientist and a medical doctor and he's one of the few people out there who can legitimately say he's been in the longevity space longer than me I've been doing this for 25 years starting with a

nonprofit in palto California in my mid-20s and Peter's got 30 years of working in longevity which culminated very recently with the xprize foundation of which I'm a donor and he Did $101 million Health span X prize to award um any kind of group out there who's working on Longevity if they can hit specific goals they'll get $101 million to to Spur Innovation so with no further Ado I think that was a pretty good intro other than your new book on longevity called the longevity guide book Peter welcome back to the show thank you Dave it's

always a pleasure it's like hanging out with friends uh with your buddy here uh And I'm excited to learn as much from you as I'm excited to share with you we always have the most fun and I've I've been on your stage you've been on my stage we've recommended each other's books and I I feel like we're we're brothers and this how to make the world a better place in multiple directions at the same time so I want to go deep with you on the stuff you're doing around longevity both for yourself and for others

so that our listeners can learn And I can learn and we'll compare notes and I can uh make fun of what you're doing you make fun of what I'm doing in a brotherly H happy way like why would you do that I don't know here's why so we're both going to learn a lot and our listeners are going to be blown away by one of the smarter guys out there which is you thank you Budd so how long have you been tracking your sleep and how do you do it listen I've been on a longevity

Journey a while but uh I've Been really track things in a much more aggressive fashion this last decade I was one of the earliest investors in Aura and I don't know if you remember when AA was not this little fine it was a giant like a beetles siiz thing on the top of your finger to be able to cram enough battery life and enough uh electronics in there and you know obviously all things go exponential and it's gotten higher Fidelity in its recording and uh longer battery life and Smaller in all those ways at the

end of the day I've been recording my sleep using Aura for I don't know since they started uh I recently bought a you know in eight sleep bed as well which is much more optimistic than my auring by the way that's helpful um I I was the it's say chilly sleep launched on my podcast 10 plus years ago I invested in them and they exited and I've had I've had a number of Chilly sleeps over the years yeah I think mine Just sprung a leak and it makes weird noises so I'm getting an eight sleep

next and eight sleep's been on the show and right now I'm wearing uh an aura ring and an ultra human ring which is a new competitor and I actually think I like its data a little bit better sleep space I've been an investor and advisor there I think they have the best algorithms right now even to take data from your ring or your watch and give you more close to hospital grade so it's Exploded you've been doing it for 10 years I have 17 years of sleep data cuz I used to sleep with a headband

cuz my sleep was so crappy and the headbands are much less Victoria's Secret approved than your ring but uh I just was like I'm so bad at this especially I was starting bulletproof and working full-time in Tech and like I I just got to get good so how good is your sleep you have 10 years of data are you good at sleeping I think my sleep is Excellent uh not perfect uh but excellent um and it's varied I mean there are periods of time where my sleep was crappy and where I ended up having brain

fog as result of that and I'm like man I am so off my game and I think one of the things that people need to realize is you know sleep is a absolute fundamental uh it's as as Matt Walker who wrote an amazing book why we sleep talks it's it's the foundation upon which exercise diet mindset everything Else is built on top of that if you don't have your sleep in order um you're you're suffering so uh you know I track very carefully in particular my deep sleep um over REM and you know and I

write about this in longevity guide book at length and you know Matt Walker is I when I recorded my longevity guide book um uh audible I put interstitials between every chapter and I bring in a world expert to talk about the field with me between the chapters and mat Walker does the audible conversation uh after the Sleep chapter uh but at the end of the day deep sleep should become is the early early period of your sleep right if you're tracking your sleep on your oring or your eight sleep or equivalent you'll see you're in

deep Sleep At the beginning of the night and then you're in rem towards the back half of the night so if you short Change yourself on sleep you're typically hitting your REM versus your deep sleep But deep sleep is critically important as you know for our ability of our brain to clear uh proteins and Tangles and all the stuff that is problematic later as you age now you said something and and this is one of my favorite things to do ever so I've seen you on stage in front of 500 people at the abundance 360

meetings forever and you're always saying think bigger like like think bigger what what game are youing playing In the world how big are you going in the world right in fact I I quote you in Game Changers one of my books on personal development about that like every time I think that I'm thinking big as someone's going to step up usually you and say no you're not but in a kind and gentle fashion yeah kind and gentle but I I gotta push back Peter when you say sleep is fundamental why does it have to be

so these are interesting questions right Why is eating have to be why does sleep have to be why do all the things have to be and it depends if you're accepting the uh the software code uh that developed over the years or are you able to rewrite it or hack it in some fashion well I I'll push back in the following way you know during sleep you are the most ineffective most unproductive most open to predation and we ran this multi-billion year Evolution G game and no one ever eliminated sleep um even Earths earthworms have

this period of reduced activity that looks like sleep but humans uh Homo sapiens for the last couple hundred thousand years depending on when you think Homo sapiens came into existence if we had been able to evolve away from sleep um any subribe that could have evolved without sleep would have been more productive more reproductive more less less you know uh less dead from predation it would have those genes Would have been passed along at a significantly advantaged darwinian fashion but we haven't seen that so I think there's something very fundamental going on during sleep whether

it's the quantum functions of your neurotubules in your brain connecting with the Universe I don't know I love it that you said that yeah the quantum microtubule effects in sleep are really important and when you give someone sedation it turns off their microtubules which would Be fundamental to Consciousness right yeah now we know dolphins have half their brain that sleeps I wish I would love that yeah sleep half my brain and we know the genetics there are a few people out there who have genetics that means they require less sleep than average there are there

is as as Matt Walker says if you take the percentage of humans that require less than 6 hours of sleep and round it to a whole number it's Zero but six and a half hours and in all the research I did the people who live the longest are 6 and a half hours but it's good sleep because healthy people need less sleep not because less sleep makes you healthy there's also another thing that you might not have come across and we're just thinking big here and just Ting love it so you and I both know

that some of the best rocket Engineers come from Russia right they came originally from Germany and then post-world War II at a Punam Munda which is where the V2 was developed um the German rocket scientists were divided between America and and the Soviet Union back then and that really gave birth to both Moon programs and a whole bunch of stuff the Russians though they're also powerful biohackers and they think about longevity and Medicine very differently than the West does so some time back in The space program and probably in the 60s by memory serves some

enterprising Russians they they're like well it's I'll use my ACC it is very expensive you know to send human body to space that was probably not a good accent but so the first thing they did is they said well why would we ever pressurize a Jet Plane why don't we just make the pilots pressure resistant so they developed a way to make uh Pilots perfectly able to function at 15,000 FT elevation so as Long as the Jets don't go over 15,000 ft they don't have to pressurize the cabin and they can save a ton of

money was that just a pressure suit no actually it was training the hemoglobin Affinity In The Blood using intermittent hypoxia which is something we use at upgrade Labs today and it's it's high-intensity interval training for oxygen carrying capacity in the blood and it highlights the the perspective that Russians had on like well let's just hack the pilots I Love that in fact the Russians you know here in the United States we created the Fisher space pen that could write upside down in zero gravity and the Russians used a pencil it's that such a great example

and at one of your events actually I got to ask uh the president of SpaceX like you harden electronics for space What are you doing to harden astronauts for space and she's like in 17 years no one never asked me that I love that it's a Great question well what the Russians did years ago is they said you know we waste eight hours a day on sleep and for astronauts we have to send another 33% of our people just so they can sleep in space and we think that's wrong so they developed the Russian sleep

machine which means you run a small amount of electricity over both ears in a structured wave and you can get a full night sleep in 2 hours and I actually have had a machine that Does that since 1997 oh how much do you sleep Dave uh I actually sleep in Reverse so I actually get time back every no I'm kidding um my average has been uh 6 hours and 32 minutes per night for the vast majority of the last 17 years of tracking it and in the last year or two I kicked it up to

seven uh on average uh and here's the interesting thing though so I go through cycles of using a Russian Sleep machine not to sleep less but to sleep better and I haven't used it in like two years and then I moved Aus while going oh there it is it was in a box and you and I both have probably a warehouse full of B oh my god of stuff time to use it all so I guess it's great I you know dust it off find some electrodes that are still kind of sticky put them on

and that night I got nine sleep cycles six full cycles and three partial Cycles and it was substantially higher deep sleep than I've had in a while so what is your typical deep sleep and what have you what did you attain with that cuz again REM is great but deep sleep is when your your glymphatic system which is the sort of sort of the system that clears uh junk from the brain is most active for sure I also prior Deep Over REM REM is good for memory consolidation and things but yes you only have one

you you want deep yeah so if you're deep Like you said you go to bed earlier you don't eat 3 hours before bed and you prioritize Darkness yes and you know I've run uh true dark my glasses company that makes something far beyond blue blocking glasses and for me that was what shifted me to having a normal circadian rhythm by the way I love true dark I have a number of pairs and it's incredible I you know uh I travel with it I use it you know all the time it's my safety net for uh

for getting myself Ready for a great night's sleep oh my gosh so thank you um I flew to I think it was from Austin to Switzerland wearing the glasses the two dark glasses the whole time and I got 7 hours of sleep with two hours of deep sleep after I landed Crossing nine time zones nice and I can't do that unless I control the color of light so I prioritize it so by the way you're you're wearing so there are two versions of true dark right there's the yellow lens and then the Dark blue blocking

lens yeah when do you when do you use each of them because I have both the yellow lenses are during the day indoors only to block super bright LED light it only blocks under 490 NM so I'm blocking the stressful toxic blue and allowing the blue that wakes you up to come through so they're partial blue blockers during the day full blue blocking during the day you don't wake up and then you don't sleep well at night and then after the sun Goes down or at least an hour before bed I'll put on the true

dark glasses designed for sleep and that has shifted me from being at 2: a.m. bedtime which I was until I was about 40 I just that was always my bedtime I'm an engineer like you you know we stay up late and get stuff done throughout college graduate school medical school I was an same thing I would be I i' get into my creative production time between 11:00 p.m. and 2: A.m. and and all of that is Switched now now I'm in bed at 9:00 a.m. and as sleep by 9:30 um 9:00 p.m. I hope you

mean 900 p.m. yes fire 9:00 p.m. I sleep by 9:30 p.m. yeah so you're doing better than I am um I recognize that but I have a girlfriend so I'm more of a 10:30 guy but if I go to bed even by 10 I do get more deep sleep I'm prior my goal is 90 minutes get that quite a lot uh and never less than 60 minutes unless I did something where I deserved it yeah what Do your numbers look like um let's see uh last night my uh deep sleep was an hour and 34

minutes nice uh yesterday an hour and 11 minutes the day before that an hour and 25 minutes yeah so it's it's typically in that realm yeah got it so we're we're sleep about the same amount and I think that's fundamental I do know that I if I run a small current over my brain sometimes I get more deep sleep heart Rate variability is higher and it it's there's all kinds of benefits to microcurrent stimulation of the brain it probably even affects microtubules for all we know yeah one of one of the things that I did

in in the recent book was the book's divided into chapters on diet sleep exercise mindset routines um don't die for something stupid uploads and and meds and supplements and I wanted to make it Very uh actionable how to and um and so literally write out exactly what I do why I do it what the science that backs it up and it's meant to be because you know Tony Robins and I were on your podcast and we talked about our book life force which was 700 pages was New York Times for like 8 weeks straight which

is amazing but it's hard to consume and remember a 700 page book and so uh longevity guide book was Intended to be really like you can just turn to any chapter read a couple pages and take away something instantly I love that approach uh what I've seen in the biohacking world which definitely includes Longevity if if that's your biohacking goal is that people say I'm so stressed because I can't do everything I'm like you don't have to do everything you're going to open it up and you're going to find three things that look interesting and

when you do Them you'll get a return on that investment and you'll have more energy and then you'll do some more and it it's like evolving a path and a stack and you may get to a point where you say well I was going to do option number seven I don't need it anymore because option number five worked so I'll just skip to option number 10 and you only do the things that have the highest return with the least work for you what's the highest return Longevity thing you've ever done wow uh so I personally

think it's my mindset work beautiful I think it's my longevity mindset work and I I put a whole chapter forward um can I take a second and just explain it for folks yes yeah because I think it's really important there is a very high correlation between uh your beliefs your mindset and your physical body and and you know this the work you do with 40 Years of Zen uh the books that you've written you know Harder not smarter or smarter not harder uh and you know there's a interesting study that was was published in the

National Acy of science that said it was a study of I I remember the number 69,000 women and, 1500 guys cuz one of the only studies that was a lot more women than guys and the study uh basically said listen optimists live 15% longer than pessimist I was like that is such an awesome stat and it is such a double dividend situation the longevity Mindset is the following um there has to be some reason why you don't dive into the ice cream at night before you go to bed there has to be some reason why

when you get up in the morning uh you don't dilly dally you get dressed and you go to the gym right I mean not being lazy right longevity is a commitment it's a commitment and so why are you making that commitment what is it that um that empowers you to do that incentivize you to do that so longevity Mindset says uh we're on the verge of a health span Revolution that and I truly believe this um that over the next 5 to 10 years years we're going to see the most extraordinary breakthroughs coming from AI

single cell sequencing Cris Burge and therapies we can go deep into all of those uh if you like that are going to extend the human health span by decades right this is the whole purpose for the $141 million I raised uh two years ago To launch this health span X prise 141 did it go up from 101 well it's 141 I raised there's $1 million primary purse a $10 million secondary purse and 30 million of operations beautiful okay but still that was a it was a long road to raising it but and so what what

this means is that if you believe that we're on the verge of this health span Revolution and you want to stick around to be part of it right this is the most exciting time ever to be alive and if You want to be there to intercept all these benefits coming you want to keep yourself in maximal health you don't want to be the last person dying before this revolution hits It's I had a friend of mine uh in the 80s uh who I cared about very deeply my co-founder of uh of International Space University guy

named Todd hly who passed away from HIV um and he passed away like a couple years before the the drug cocktails came out right and so I think about that I Think about so longevity mindset for me is I believe without any question that we are making such extraordinary exponential progress that I want to be in the best possible Health to intercept those Technologies and it's that motivation that and and plus feeling at the top of my game I feel better than I ever have I'm in Better Health i' ever have been my muscle mass

all of that it's what keeps me from you know eating that slice of chocolate cake or you're Partying all night or not going to the gym so that's the longevity mindset if if you believe this is coming and you love life you're going to want to maximize your longevity potential I think your longevity mindset is something different Peter okay what's that pal now I know you pretty well and you have this giant brain right and and we talk about mindset but when I just describe you to friends uh who who don't know you I say

The same thing about you and nine Jane another one of our our good friends um who I do a bunch of stuff with with biome um you're both like little boys it's true and it's a huge compliment and and I've seen I've seen both of you just like you get so excited and I see you on stage like look at all this cool stuff and you have curiosity that never left seventh grade and I think that fundamental to longevity is just being so curious about the world Like look at all this cool stuff like don't

you see what's going on and so many people lose that and there are even studies that show having a young mindset and this is different than I thought about it I decided it was worth it to invest my time and energy and going to the gym I'm going to brain muscle my way through it and you're like don't you know how much fun we could have we could make all this cool stuff and it it's such a different vibe I think that's More fundamental than the laziness all right well Fair enough I I I have

that other curiosity uh beginner's mind mindset as well and this is the most exciting time ever and I feel like a kid in the candy store uh right now on what's going on in Ai and biotech and we are living during the most extraordinary time and we're in the midst of a health span Revolution and we should take care of ourselves so we can intercept that Tech amen what single Technology has you most excited in the longevity space Oh without question question it's the impact of AI I mean it's interesting right so uh I'm deep

in AI I've got a large Venture fund investing in in AI at the same time I've got a venture fund investing in longevity and biotech and what I'm seeing is you know our we have 40 trillion cells in our body uh human cells and then there's another you know 40 to 100 trillion Other you know bacteria viry fungi on our body and we're a massively complex organism you know a super organism and each one of those cells is running on the order of a billion chemical reactions per second uh and there's no way for any

human physician to understand that but AI can we just saw Demis aabus and um and John jumper at Deep mine get The Nobel Prize for their work with uh uh with Alpha fold uh and from there Alpha Fold 3 to Alpha proteo and where Demis wants to take it next this is the CEO of Deep Mind which is Google's effectively AI division where Demus wants take it next is building an AI model of an entire human cell but let's take it a step further and let's build an AI model of Dave's human cell and so

we know with Precision how this molecule is going to impact your cell and then can we go from that to an AI model of a tissue an organ entire entirely OB Dave right and so all Of a sudden we're able to understand you in such Precision uh that we can understand what aging process is going on how to slow it stop it reverse it and so AI is going to do that for us in a in a big way so that's that's what I'm most excited about how about you what are you most excited about

definitely AI is the the sum total we're using AI on people's brain waves to study Consciousness at 40 years is thenen um we're doing it on People's exercise physiology at upgrade labs and it's unlocking so much knowledge to the point that you and I can both do uh two to four weeks of reading papers in 10 minutes today and I I've had so much learning just where I'm thinking about Pathways and new approaches and I I just feel like I have a magic wand for biohacking because I had a friend with a cyclical vomiting which

is a very complex condition every six weeks you spend Three days throwing up very frequently it's brutal um and I was like all right I got this it took 12 minutes of working with AI to figure out exactly where she was deficient wow and got her the supplements and uh she said why in 20 years of working with doctors all over the planet has no one done this because they didn't have chat GPT right and it it's it's one of those things where I would have gone deep on the papers and P and packed a

bunch of Pathways and Figured out which ends on and oh my God it's so beautiful yes so that's number one but number two is Gene editing I'm an adviser to a mini Circle I've had the F Statin gene therapy I'm about to go get the clo gene therapy ah nice I'm excited to hear how what your experience of clotho is what's s I'm pretty excited what do you think about clotho well I think it's a critical thing for us to impact and um there's very few ways to Do it there's an electro stem suit but

the ability to actually up level my clotho Gene expressions I'm all in I wrote about clo in superhuman as one of these promising things and a friend was working on synthesizing it so you could get it for injection uh but it kept clumping and he couldn't make it work and there's a clotho face cream I've had the founders on the show and it works and I know a few people use clor reti what does it do I mean in the studies it it affects wrinkles and skin aging and things like every skin cream seems to

do I do feel like it it makes a difference I I use about five different things things on my face that I mix all together in a little jar because I'm lazy and then I smear it on and they're all mitochondrial stimulators or peptides or things like that and I I do think that that is one that has enough evidence for it that it's it's a good idea yeah I I use the One skin product which I really enjoy that is also in My Little Mix uh I love the one skin way of thinking so

I use one skin I use clotho and several other other things um spermine uh no not spermine um eurol lithan a from timeline uh and then um I do some other stuff that's a little outside the box one of the most impactful things is topical estrogen believe it or not really and it's not very much it has no effect systemically it just has a local effect Uh but esterol and estradiol in combination in very very low doses um has had a really good effect on on my skin uh melatonin methylene blue like you I I

kind of smear everything that might work getting the bathtub yeah little bit of Tallow you know all this stuff um so you use only one skin on your face that's it yeah yeah I really like their products and it's on my face every day I'll look into the clotho skin cream you you said you said Gene editing And I agree I mean the other area that is related is epigenetic reprogramming right so there's at least three billionaire backed epigeic reprogramming and and for those those who don't know you know your EP you have you have

basically 3.2 billion letters from your mom and your dad and and I speak about this in the book at some extent and and your code is what you run from birth till death and your code doesn't change over time so why do you Change why don't you have a you know a six-pack at 80 that you had when you were 18 um it maybe you and I will but that's a different story right um and it's your epig genome Epi from the Greek word for above which is what genes are on what genes are off

matters more than what genes you have uh and and the ability to turn back the clock to turn back to an earlier stage of what genes were on in your youthful self um I find that promising And fascinating what do you think will be the most promising epigenetic reprogramming technique well I mean right now it's using I mean the technology is using [ __ ] associate viruses uh and Gene therapies uh to put in um basically they're they're using uh yamanaka factors that's genetic reprogramming though versus epigenetic reprogramming no well the no the yamanaka factors

are there so there are Four yamanaka factors for which shinoa yamanaka won the Nobel Prize um which were able to take a cell from a differentiated cell back to a plur poent stem cell undifferentiated right and it could become so your skin cell becomes a stem cell and then become it can become brain muscle kidney whatever you want but what they found was if you only use three out of the four yamanaka factors um you can not dedifferentiate it but you can I'm Going to use a term out of context you can euthanize it you

can make it more youthful uh I yeah I hate the fact that euthanized means that it should be making more youthful anyway uh David Sinclair has done incredible work I I hate the way he's been slammed so much recently and me too I've had him on the show several times he's a gentle gentle soul and he really is working hard to make the world a better place uh and He's been discovering you know Gene therapies for uh reversing eptic age but he's also been searching and he's made some claims recently excited to see the data

excited to see it move out of mice into larger animals and eventually humans of of chemicals meaning pills you can take that can genetically you know reverse your epigenetic age I just think there's a there there I mean there's a reason why some people Live healthfully over 100 and some are dead at 60 it's not random There's real data there and we're going to start to discover that there's incredible opportunity with things like peptides and chemical signaling I'm actually most excited about light and magnetism as ways to epigenetically reprogram cells and we have some really

shockingly powerful stuff at at upgrade Labs I'm still pissed I had an upgrade Labs literally Across the street from me in Santa Monica and got shut down so I'm still waiting for Santa Monica to reopen it'll happen either in or close to Santa Monica we're talking to a few franchises uh who are interested in the LA area so and we've got a new tech stack that includes some light therapy stuff that it almost just doesn't make sense when you see the um the effects and it is it talking to microtubules is it talking to fascia

um there's various theories even But the the results sometimes when when you run certain patterns of flashing lights you there's the the 40 Hertz that breaks up Al Alzheimer Tangles research out of Harvard but there's a bunch of other ones and I'm thinking oh wow there's this whole way way to get a signal into the body and one of them is chemicals or peptides and to introduce these yamanaka factors so I'm I'm doing everything I can just like you I've got my uh I think almost 10 years ago I Banked my fat stem cells and

then I have two billion of my Mero cells I'm also Banks so that we can genetically reprogram those and put them back in with X-Men Powers I love that um tell them more about the light is it a particular frequency or particular I mean is it red light therapy what what are you doing I started one of the very first red light therapy companies and and light has an effect based on the frequency of the light the color of the Light so there's six 60 you know 880 and there's various chromophores in cells that are

targeted by very narrow spectrums of light so there's two colors of red and infrared that we know about there's also effects from amber light uh which are different and those are for small blood vessels and small wrinkles and collagen so we do those at True Light but then when you go to upgrade Labs we also have green which has a different effect but just the color of The light does something all by itself and they do different things based on the color but then you take the light and you pulse it and it's pulsing so

fast you don't see it pulsing but it has a different biological effect when you turn the lights on and off and you could never do this with with incandesent lights only lasers or LEDs have the the physical characteristics to be able to do it so when you're we'll say flashing the lights in the right pattern it has Clinically relevant changes so things like cognitive function uh and a bunch of other metabolic parameters so it it's it it seems like science fiction except the clinical studies are are very meaningful on that if you had to choose

a red light therapy uh from the consumer standpoint because I do use red light therapy every morning I use it in my mouth on my head in my body um what would you use it depends on the price point so at the lower ends and Affordability that's why I started True Light so I'm very biased because this is my company and True Light does Amber two colors of red and infrared it's meant to be affordable and it works very well so I I use that most often because well I get as many as I want

for is that panels that you sell panel yeah there's a 14-inch panel and then three 14inch panels stuck together so you can hang those on a closet it's the way you would use any of these things yeah there are Other companies that make much heavier metal frame things they have fewer LEDs that are higher powered we have very high powerered LEDs but but there's more of them so our combined power outputs are similar but it takes less Cooling and all of that so there's an efficiency thing if price is No Object you know you can

spend $20,000 on a home panel uh if you want to that includes some ultraviolet um or you can start moving into lasers and I use lasers on my head Uh when I travel I don't I just use the true light on my head for hair growth but when I'm at home I'll use a $5,000 laser cap uh but it's five grand which is Out Of Reach for most people unless they're really serious about it but lasers are more effective than LEDs but they're not more effective per dollar and when I fly um I use a

battery powered flexible thing whose name I don't even remember uh shoot it's downstairs for For your scalp actually use that one it's about this big and I'll put it over my chest and it's kind of for red and reds because you get so much blood thickening when you fly I might as well undo that on the go so I'll I'll maximize my exposure like that um what do you use uh I use a red light panel um that's a full body panel I basically stack it I put on a a red light cap a red

and blue light mouthpiece for reducing bacteria Load my mouth I mean one of the things I'm spending a lot more time on is my oral microbiome uh than ever before and I do use uh viome toothpaste and viome uh probiotics in my mouth uh but then they uh twice a I use that um that mouthpiece and and so I stack the full panel mouthpiece and cap while I meditate uh I just got a um a small inhome uh infrared sauna which I'm going to add to the uh process I mean it's interesting right You know

for me one of the most important chapters of the book is routines yes and a routine and a habit is the mechanism by which you do not negotiate with yourself right it's like this is who I am this is what I do uh this is my routine and we you know humans like routines uh when you when you sort of do it enough times it feels comfortable so you know I lay out my routine from 5:30 in the morning through 9:30 at night and includes a red Light stack meditation writing exercise taking the kids to

school type of thing routines are so good and I used to try to do the same routine every day because that's the easiest routine ever but I found that a lot of the things don't work if you do them every day like is it boring like well it's not that you're lifting heavy every day you'll overtrain I set aside 45 minutes to an hour every morning to do some biohacking and it usually includes infrared sauna or I Have a we call a turbocharged hot tub and the idea is how rapidly can you increase body temperature

right uh and I also in in heavily meditated my new book um I introduced this new idea in the field of longevity and personal development and it's called bicep and it's not you know this kind of bicep it's brief intentional conscious exposure to pain and when you look at something like a cold plunge U there's two different sets Of benefits from it one of them is you get a hormetic stressor cold shock proteins and metabolic benefits but if it's cold enough and colder is better for this and it's uncomfortable to do it doing anything intentionally

that hurts for a minute or so up to 3 minutes without causing any actual damage it changes dopamine sensitivity so throughout the rest of the day it takes less dopamine to motivate you so you're happier and You're less stressed all day long and this is why monks used to whip themselves they would self flatulate not because they hated themselves it's because it made them better it's why monks lay on beds of nails that's why people at jalapenos and wasabi and even why people get like like when they're dealing with really big stuff people get tattoos

you see a lot of addicts with tattoos you also see a lot of addicts doing cold plines every day because They've recognized that exposing themselves to non-damaging pain is actually an act of self-care not an act of self harm and having better dopamine sensitivity is part of living a long time without Parkinson's so what do you do the whipping of course I meant I mean obvious ly I I hire someone to do that for me you already know that your gut affects every part of your body but you probably don't know that your gut Bacteria

make something called endotoxins and it's those endotoxins that make you feel awful things like energy dips uh brain fog just feeling like it can't get out of bed and I've been exploring ways to control endotoxins using gut bacteria and if you can get your endotoxins down I'm convinced that you're going to live longer and you're definitely going to like how your brain feels today and that's how I came across Omnibiotics it's a probiotic that does more than just support digestion heox is specifically designed to go after endotoxins so your body can handle inflammation better and

your metabolism works better too I've noticed the difference it's like pressing a reset button on inflammation heox also helps support your liver so if you want energy levels and focus and fewer toxins made by your gut bacteria it's a pretty good strategy it's not magic it's pretty Close if you're ready to feel the upgrade go to omnibiotics electrolytes for energy and Longevity and after you balanced when it's cold you need different hydration because you feel less thirsty but you still need to hydrate you're losing water every time you pee every time you breathe out and

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water or even Drop it into coffee and you get a minty mocha over to drink element.com dve and they'll give you a free sample pack with any order there is a chapter in heavily meditated called G spank yourself and it actually I do say look I don't care how you want to get your your short dose of pain as long as it's conscious intentional and not about self-hatred it like there's a reason people have those practices but that's not what you know what I'm talking about in the US 10 plus years ago the federal government

in a massive overreach of like I didn't hire them for this they federally mandated that hot tubs can't get hotter than 104 degrees that's not hot enough to do anything so they basically neutered every possible hot tub uh so I hacked mine to go up to 108 degrees and that is not comfortable but it takes 12 minutes to get my body temperature up to 104 which is faster than a sauna will do so getting into That that is bicep brief intentional conscious exposure to pain and you do it anyway and your body temperature goes up

104 is where all kinds of metabolic benefits happen and 105 is where all kinds of protein denaturing occur exactly just get right to the edge and and I don't get anywhere close to passing out from it and then I hop in the cold plch yeah uh so I don't maintain that body temperature and uh that effect has been really good but the Idea is I'm resetting my dopamine signaling so I'm happier and more motivated throughout the day and I'm spending as little time as I need to and of course I'll get the INF it's on

other day so I I try to mix it up so I'll do different things I love that that's great can I talk about um what we're doing at at Fountain life please do yeah share share some of that because you're doing all kinds of stuff yeah so there is a a chapter in the book that's uh Titled don't die from something stupid and what I mean by that is fundamentally that most everybody 99.9% of the world maybe 99.99% of the world have no idea what's going on inside their bodies true and one of the things

that's important to realize is your body is incredibly good at hiding disease yes you know you don't feel uh a cancer until it's stage three or stage four um 70% of all heart attacks have no Preceding no shortness of breath no pain nothing on a uh calcium scan um and and then we don't the cancers that kill you um in the vast majority of the time are not the cancers tested for so prostate and breast don't kill you it's gly blastoma or pancreatic cancer that kills you because we don't test for those things and I'm

you know shouting from the top of the rooftops listen you can know what's going on inside your body you just have to look look and and People go well I don't want to know and I'm saying [ __ ] you're going to find out do you want to know now we can do something about it or you know later when it's too late and so um I with uh with Tony Robbins and Bill cap Bob herri um we built this uh this company called Fountain life we have four centers today we're about to double it

to eight centers and we have a road map for 25 centers um and Fountain life are these massive diagnostic Centers and Therapeutic centers and so what we do on these centers is you come in uh we upload you and there are two levels there's a core and Apex uh core and Apex the same upload the same 150 actually 200 gigabyt of data we collect full body MRI brain uh brain Imaging brain vasculature body coronary CT load dose lung CT dexa scan uh genomics microbiome metabolome everything you know all every blood test food allergies all of

this stuff and all of that data gets fed into The AI system and it's a multimodal AI meaning it's taking all of these different elements together uh to understand and answer two questions is there anything going on inside your body that you need to know about now hopefully there's not if there is let's do something about it and then number two what's likely to happen to you in the future because your destiny in some degree is written out in your genes and your Lifestyle uh and how do we prevent that from happening and so in

the core version you get the upload and a review and return of results by a functional medicine doctor um of all of the results uh and you get access to our AI on the app which has all the data there so you can query it and ask it anything about all the data wow and then in the Apex model you get a full medical team with you through the years so you get a functional medicine MD which is your Concierge longevity doctor you get a health coach a dietitian um and uh a a I forgot

the name of the fourth person of the team but it's a it's a team that's there to support you throughout the year and that's found that's on the diagnostic side and what we're doing as well which which is even more exciting is bringing in a a whole set of Therapeutics so we searching the world always for like what are the most advanced therapies that are Efficacious reasonably safe High reward and then we make those available and and F actually participates in um in uh IRB approved studies so we get access to these studies for our

members if you want to be in this Advanced study um on stem cells or exosomes or whatever might be we make those available in the US to our members that sounds like a really a really powerful offering and I remember maybe 13 14 years ago um I was an early Member of uh hli which of the Great that was my first longevity company it was and the problem there was I got this big fat binder oh of genetic Snips oh my God and all the scans I'm like I'm Prett smart and I know what to

do with this but it's going to take me hundreds of hours and and it was it was useful but AI didn't exist back then I don't think it was useful I mean so I the the origin story there is I was clear uh back then this is uh yeah a Dozen years ago that longevity was going to be a huge business and there's no bigger business potential on the planet right what wouldn't someone give for extra 20 30 healthy years of life and so I I talked to Craig Venter and Bob huri and said let's

create a longevity company and I raised the first $100 million for it um Craig became the CEO and Craig who very famously has done incredible things he he really raced the US government to sequence his human Genome the the Human Genome Project took you know a dozen years and $3 billion he did it it in 9 months for 100 million at Solera uh and so that's the first thing that really got the world's attention and then he created the first synthetic life form which was incredible uh but Craig amazing scientist I would not um I

feel like he wasn't uh the right we raised over $500 million that company and Craig started nine different divisions of hli uh which we serially Set shut down and only one ended up but um I left hli even though I was co-founder Vice chairman of it cuz it was only doing the Diagnostics and it was delivering like you said this giant notebook of data which was effectively I don't know what to do with it I'm pretty smart but honestly I not for me and what we what you really want to know is is there anything

going on I need to know about and what do I do about it yes that's the big thing is what do I do and What do I do first because we're not all going to do everything and um I I feel the same way about about exercise you know you're going to do Pilates yoga CrossFit uh power lifting longdistance running you know functional movements uh martial arts T and who the heck knows bottom line is what result did you want and what's going to get you their fastest and that that's what upgrade Labs is doing

in fact we're opening one in Lake Nonet near Fountain light oh That's fantastic and it's it's super fun because when did it get open um there's a l NOA impact Forum it's right then it's the weekend after the impact for I'm speaking at the impact Forum okay good I'll I'll see you there I'll be there as well come on by it's funny because we're non-medical what I'm just saying the stuff you do in the gym is dumb because it like I hope it works it's kind of like nutritionally well I saw somewhere the you know

avocado toast Is going to keep me alive and you have no data right and maybe it will for you I I would humbly submit that it probably won't uh compared to some other foods but uh let's find out right and so I just want to do that for for movement and Metabolism without ever making it a medical thing uh because there's practices you do daily and you can do it for an hour at home or can do for five minutes with AI and the five minutes with AI seems Better you know time is our most

scarce resource it's the greatest greatest gift you can give everybody not if you do your job but we'll have unlimited time right yes not if we do our not if we do our Lun job I say you I'm joking because we're both working on it yes but um there's uh a friend um who runs uh bran Johnson who runs don't die I've interviewed him on my main stage I was gonna ask you if for wanted to go there uh and so there's the don't die and when I started in this when you started it was

all anti-aging and it drove me crazy because no one thought longevity was was real and so you couldn't really talk about it and one of the the main reasons I started the biohacking movement is that I know longevity is real but young people don't care about it they care about control of their biology and they have different goals and as you age you start going man I think I want more of This life yeah it's like [ __ ] hey it's awesome right like I want to be happy so maybe you have to include some

of that so biohacking is this idea like how do you set yourself up for multi-generational where you're the multiple Generations success and the goals vary over time and and wealth and all that but it feels like longevity is a thing which is I want to live longer but there's a difference between don't die sort of like Google don't be evil Instead of be good it feels like there's a difference there so are you an anti-aging guy are you a don't die guy or live longer more healthy guy do you know that I got Brian into

the whole longevity stuff oh I love that um he's he's done a great job of getting it the media yeah when he called me when he sold brain tree um he wanted to he was moving out to LA and he wanted to get involved and invest in different areas and so he came on board as an investor In hli early on oh cool and then he invested in my asteroid mining company which was a amazing amazing program and a spectacular failure but we can get to that another time but uh Brian joined then joined the

board at hi I didn't know that oh that's cool his whole longevity Journey started there he almost became team CEO there uh but Craig did not want to leave and then he went into the BCI space for a while Colonel's amazing that's how I got to Know him was around the Neuroscience that he's done yeah there's no question he has raised the visibility of the space uh you know I was at a event at the buck recently and there was a questionnaire said to the entire longevity Community do you think that Brian has done more

good or more harm for the longevity uh world what was the answer I want to hear yours you know in 2016 I wrote superhuman my publisher wouldn't let me call it don't die but I Tried uh because I I kind of have that same mindset although I'm I'm very much about live live the most amazing life die out of time in by a method of your choosing is my real goal or just don't oh exactly I probably not going to choose to but I reserve the right you know um so I did the media tour

I spent $2 million to on my to reverse my age by 20 years I'm going to live to at least 180 cuz if I said forever no one would believe me so I did this whole big media Tour on Nightline and all this stuff um and then you look that was 2016 and now we are like eight nine years later and you know Brian's I spend $2 million this year I spent 2 million over 20 years um and so I'm I'm seeing like like there's a seed that was planted 30 35 years ago by Durk

and S Andy Shaw the the first modern longevity people I remember them and Dirk just passed in October of last year hey rest in peace and so these guys were crazy in the 80s saying we're going To live forever and we're going to do these things and so in in our Consciousness it's been expanding and expanding and expanding as now people think it's possible to extend human life and 10 years ago anyone who said that was a tinfoil flat earther so I think Brian's just helping to expand um the public awareness of this and you

know after Brian they'll probably be someone who Gene edits their kids or God knows what but they'll be you every 8 to 10 Years there's going to be another person pushing this idea that we're in charge of our biology and um I I kind of like the health span idea because people believe they can do that more than they believe what Brian's doing or what I'm doing um and the more people get control of their health the more they're going to realize that longevity is a thing and they can do it so there's it it's

wide open area right now I I agree um I'm not sure I I like The hype around uh his erections and and so forth I mean but I guess those things get clicks you know they do get clicks I I showed a video Once uh at the biohacking conference of me getting uh stem cells injected in my penis um on stage but the video I'm blocking was that part was that part of your bicep uh yeah this is the only fan no what I had the blanket covering things and you see this needle come down

and you see my feet at the end Of the camera and my toes go you know and it was one of the things it does get clicks and I've always done my best to just say look intimacy including your your partner relationships and your libido for men and women they're fundamental longevity assets you nourish yourself with health the intimacy and you won't find centenarians who never have sex like it it's a part of the the energy of life so If we can just talk about it in a scientific and not shame based way uh but

I don't know that I'd want to publish my nightly erection stuff but I've written whole chapters in books on seen retention and Longevity because like someone's got to talk about it but I like it to be a little bit you know less um I don't know it's going to get Sensational because that's what media does but yeah I'm with you there Let's uh let's talk some more because you're Such a a powerful uh futurist um here I want you to go out 10 years from now yeah how much longer do you think people are going

to live on average in 10 years than they do today I think there's an inflection point coming um let me come back to that and just take a moment talk about X prise for a second so uh I got a call got 2006 from Aubrey de gray I love Aubrey who you know Aubrey and is I always I always want to say Aubrey just shave Your beard cut your hair and you'll be able to raise a lot more money for your work yeah but his beard has fractals in it just don't stare at it too

long you'll get hypnotized uh but with Peter teal on the phone about talking about a longevity exerprise and we kicked it back and forth and talked about it and it was like okay you know are we going to wait many years to award this prize to see if we can Statistically get people to live longer um anyway it died uh and it was uh six years ago uh that uh Sergey young who you also know one of my benefactors and board members at exerprise we're good friends I'm seeing him in duai uh in next week

actually yeah please give him a hug for me and he said Peter I want to do a longevity prize that sir okay been there done that can't figure it out uh and he said no no no there's a Way to do this I said okay and and he put up a half a million dollars of his own money to do the research and I what turned the tide for me was a fateful conversation with George church and he said listen you're you're asking the wrong question um and it was listen instead of talking about longevity

what you really want to talk about is age reversal because you can measure ler is going to take you decades to measure uh age reversal you could Potentially measure in a very short time so that was one conversation the second conversation we had was the idea of not measuring age because there is not a biomarker for age per se uh and the all the all the Aging clocks are there's a lot of noise and a lot of variability and I'm not sure I believe any of them I'm curious what what you think but we said

why don't we instead measure functional aging meaning as we grow older there's a predictable sarcopenia Curve there's a predictable Cog cognitive diminishment there's a predictable immune diminishment and all these things make you feel and behave older and so the xprize became can we uh reverse your functional loss in immune cognition and muscle by at least 10 years with a goal of 20 years um and that's a measurable thing in fact it's it the FDA will accept that as measurable end points which was really Important and so with that in hand I went out and raised

that $141 million uh chip Wilson the founder of Lulu Lemon he's got a uh a uh fshd which is a muscular distrophy and I said chip listen I would love for you to you know fund this $100 million prize and we went back and forth he said no I won't fund $100 million but um I'll put forward 35 million of it because I want others on this on this joy ride with me and and he Said um Peter how much is elon's X prize for carbon removal cuz I had sold Elon on a prize years

earlier for $100 million I said $100 million chip remember I I wrote the first $50,000 check when I I stood up and remember like argued that's right you were in our visioneering yes you're setting up that that prize for for carbon sequestration and Elon funded it in uh 2021 it's about to be awarded now in 2025 it's going to be exciting um long story short uh uh Chip goes how much is elon's prize and I said it's a $100 million chip goes can we make ours bigger can we make ours 101 million and I said

sure chip you could would you put the extra million in he goes okay so he ended up donating 36 million towards that and we now have uh about 600 teams around the world competing for this right and so this is part of that longevity mindset this is part of the what is what are we likely to see in the next 10 years and so this Pride will end in 2030 uh if you talk to Ray kwell his prediction for longevity scap velocity is by the end of the year 2030 so in 10 years time right

we're recording this in 2025 uh so by 2035 what will we see potentially a lot you know potentially uh decades added to your health span um and I'm I'm using the term healthspan not lifespan it's like how old do you have the Vitality the Aesthetics the mobility the cognition to really enjoy Life cuz that's really what matters yes yeah so I think by you know within the next 10 years we could see um decades added onto Health span which by the way during those additional Decades of Health that you get science is not standing still

right it's continuing to do breakthroughs so why can the bowad well live for 200 years and the Greenland shark live for four or 500 years I want to know and I want to actually use this as A therapeutic for our for myself my family my friends my abundance members my Fountain life members yeah wow uh I'm I'm with you on that the most important thing is get your energy back get your brain back get your body so it's not hurting and then get it looking the way you want and feeling what are you doing mostly

on a supplement level for energy um I have been obsessed with with mitochondria since uh the bulletproof diet uh which was like 2011 I think Right and I take all of the mitochondrial stimulators most of the companies come on the podcast when the first research comes out um so intermittent fasting was a big part of that book it was the first big intermittent fasting book helped us start that that Trend so I do intermittent fasting how much what's your what's your fasting period um I usually do 18 hours and I don't do it every day

either um I I had to write a Book on fasting because so many people like um Jack went extreme yeah you know Jack from Twitter man he he was like one meal a day four nights a week and is 72-hour fast on weekends and it is a stressor like exercise I don't think CrossFit every day is good for you because you can't recover and I don't think fasting too much is good for you especially with women so I mix it up based on how tired am I uh you how much how many times Those did

I cross did I lift something but 18 hours is a good number and occasionally I like to do a longer fast um which could be 48 or 72 hours I I think those are fundamental things um other things that I do um sometimes being ketosis sometimes being out of ketosis unending ketosis is bad and never being in koses is not good either um I protect them with exogenous ketones like either MCT or Ketone dial especially when I fly because you get a Lot of mitochondrial harm when you fly what do you use for NAD supplementation

um I am a fan of qualia NAD plus and one of the issues that's come out over time with using NAD is that the first 60 90 days you're going to feel good on NAD but your cd38 inflammatory cells will consume NAD 20 plus times more than your healthy cells so it's like two two months of goodness and then subtle inflammation so you have to block cd38 with something called egcg and a few Other compounds like that is that the uh green green tea extract yes yeah and that'll usually keep that down uh there's also

an NT issue as well so there's a couple nuances to doing it I used to do the IVs I don't do them really much anymore occasionally I do an a subcutaneous stick but generally I take supplements I don't take them all the time uh and I also like niacinamide which is the precursor to NR and N MN what do you do for any um it's mostly Nmn um uh I am looking at a new protocol there and uh you know NR is good but I'm concerned about uptake um I think uptake with NN is stronger

yeah I think you know do you know Jin she from which company uh What jyn's uh company named um it's basically and measurement company and an N supplementation company he's got a new set of protocols it's j gfinity is of course it's Jen finity's been on the Show um I was thinking I just couldn't remember if that was saying Jen um yeah they have some really good protocols that that they're coming up with so I haven't measured it enough I'm going to start you know a a measurement uh protocol and then a supplementation protocol to

see you know what really works for me it's a great plan Peter and and the fun thing about being a biohacker or longevity scientist is that you can always say well this is Something I want to I want to play with for a while and get your NAD levels where you want them and my big thing is CL though I haven't bought the $110,000 electrical stem suit because I'm pretty sure the genan therapy from Min Circle going to get me there for clod clo is also cognitively enhancing so if MyQ goes up and my my

age markers go down like great I got some benefits look what I got under my my desk here it's oh you've got one a body stem suit have you Tried it I haven't yet I want to measure my clotho levels first you know it's like it's like you I'm either going to I'm not doing [ __ ] on on on faith it's like I need to measure the numbers first and I hope you'll do that with with uh clto and the minicircle routine that you're doing oh definitely I just pulled my blood um maybe four

days ago for the pre-test for that and it I've been doing a similar electrical stem protocol for 15 years in Fact when I was at the first at the 10th anniversary of the Ansari exerprise where I first hung out with you I brought my electrical stem machine and I was shocking Bob hereri and you know and it it's the same waveform as the body stem uses so I I could have already raised my clo without knowing it using electrical stem but who knows right I I think there's something to be said for that yeah uh

it's uh if I were to ask you how do you feel energetically Cognitively emotionally today versus 10 20 years ago Peter I am so profoundly better off today yeah I'm 4.8% body fat I'm never hungry my brain runs circles around people half my age I am just about inexhaustible uh I know that I can hit the wall I could just keep moving the wall further and further out and at a certain point I yes I'm going to crash um but um the amount of pain in my body has gone down very substantially from Any time

in my life mostly through depleting oxalate levels in the body and um and the the mental acuity and on top of that I spent six months of my life over the last 10 years at 40 years as inen each 5 days is 20 plus years of meditation such a l time measuring my brain and learning how to change my mental and emotional states love to create that sense of Peace when I want it and so I've I've also been through a lot of crap uh with bulletproof and some Other situations and my ability to remain

that's I'm looking for resilience yes resilience is is a critical element here right because the world is going to throw [ __ ] at you and uh you know you lose by giving up you I I agree I'm I feel like I'm I say that in the opening of my book I'm 63 how old are you now Dave I'm 52 although I'm triggered because I identify as being 35 Peter I I think you judg me I'm kidding I'm sorry about that your your your clock time uh But I'm arguably at my Peak across every single

element creativity functionality emotional uh you know strength uh and I do I I have a team of 20-some year olds and I exhaust them isn't it ridiculous like who would have ever thought this was possible because I I'll tell you one of the secrets of longevity that was an interesting Discovery was I had kids at 50 and so my my twin boys now are 13 and I love having young kids it's like you know they keep me in the game At a level of uh that is is super valuable again it's part of that mental

game of loving life and you know one of the things that is important is you know and Dan Sullivan says this he says yeah your future needs to be bigger than your past yes right that mindset game and for me I'm like because I'm living in the exponential world right I'm doing so much in all of these exponential Tech Fields um there's this infinitely expanding opportunity space that is like Holy [ __ ] this is amazing it's like everything I dreamed about as a kid Star Trek is coming online it's like holy holy cow that's

amazing so uh it's this level of Wonder you said earlier the sort of the Boyhood Wonder yeah it's funny Dan Dan Sullivan's been on the show as well and he has that same it it's I call it childlike and so people react that no it's like the most beautiful like hopeful curious happy like I can't wait To see kind of energy the people I know even in their 80s and and having run a longevity nonprofit group and I was in my 20s I learned a lot of my stuff from people in their 80s the ones

who have the happiest lives and the most results in longevity all have that mindset like that's the hardest one to teach but you embody it just beautifully thank you pal uh as as to you as to you thank you I know we're coming up on the end of the time we have but I want to ask you a a Kind of a a philosophical question here knowing what you know about longevity and just about everything if you could go back to your 20-year-old self give yourself a couple pieces of advice what would you say um

it's the same advice I I give independent of the age that I'm talking to somebody about it's uh find your purpose in life uh the single most important thing is find your purpose your passion not less your passion more your purpose what I call it as your Massive transformative purpose it is uh the thing that excites you gets you out of bed in the morning keeps you going at night it's what you're on this planet for you know I just created and I'll I'll share it's the first podcast I'm sharing this with you know I

teach my all my abundance 360 members um about creating an MTP you've heard about this many times and um I've just created a large language model site where in 10 minutes that's seven if you go quickly Uh it will walk you through a series of specific questions and then it will um formulate a number of mtps for you to to choose from and you can uh fine-tune them visualize them and then you know I I talk about my MTP that you know my earliest MTP that was my first 20 30 years was uh to inspire

and guide entrepreneurs to create a commercial space flight Revolution right that led to the x prise l International Space University uh my MTP shifted over the last 20 years to be to inspire and guide entrepreneurs create a hopeful compelling and abundant future for Humanity less focused on space but more on what are the components that can uplift humanity and my MTP right now is really focused on on inspiring guiding those entrepreneurs to extend the healthy human lifespan uh and lead us towards longevity escape velocity so the these mtps these massive transformative Purposes my job is

communicate those to the world and then the world sends me incredible opportunities in line with that so my advice to my 20-year-old self my 10-year-old self my 50-year-old self is is find your MTP it you know these are usually 10 year long long purpose-driven commitments of time and your moonshots which is the name of my podcast lives on top of that MTP uh but find it uh and so that it's your Ultimate energy resource you're fueled by that emotional energy to do something that's meaningful for a group that you love and care about I love

it and I also love that you talk about it changing um my my I wouldn't have called it MTP back then but back in the early days days of of the internet you know the First Data Center company my my idea was we have to have horizontal scaling systems or the world is stuck have to be able to plug another computer in plug another Computer in and I worked really hard on that stuff and it was it it it was very important for all of the cloud all the things that we're doing today and if

I was still stuck on that oh my God I would be so unhappy so like you said about every eight or 10 years you're like I'm done I got to find something new and I think that's part of longevity yes well and that growth mindset keeps you going by the way I should mention um if people want to discover their MTP uh I really recommend it um go to my purpose finder.app founder. a and it's a it's a free uh video information driven it's fun actually people love it uh and at the end you'll come

up with a clear you know massively transformative purpose and the visualization of it and if you allow yourself to communicate it with the world uh you get such extraordinary benefits from letting the world know who you are at your heart and Soul and what you're doing in the planet I love that Peter and inspiring people to think bigger is one of the things that is your your biggest gift and you do it all the time and it's just been an honor to be a part of it for a decade with abundance uh thanks for writing

the guide book and for Fountain health and all the all the cool stuff you're constantly working on some that people know about some that people don't and you made me really happy when you said That carbon capture X prize is going to be awarded next year I I fought like hell it was number four out of a list of three things to get funded and well I will make sure it's going to be in May sometime I'll make sure that you have on uh at the event with us and and recognized along with our rest

of our key people I was a tiny drop it was at the beginning but I I I remember the goose like the hair like Goose Goosebumps and the hair on the back of My neck when you know a couple other guys came in and then one of the the bigger guys was I got a quarter million dollars let's fund this prize and you were up there going okay we got it funded we're going to do an extra prize and so man I'm I'm just I'm so excited it was interesting because uh the way I got

it funded to we raised 130 million from Elon uh was interesting uh in it was January 7th I think of 2001 uh he had just become the Wealthiest person on the planet right and uh he was getting a lot of flak on Twitter back then uh for not being philanthropic enough and so I texted him I said hey Elon let you know you had funded a $15 million Global Learning prize uh five years earlier that was successful I said why don't you find another X prise he goes what do even mind I said a carbon

capture carbon sequestration prize I said how much he said $100 million and he wrote back four Letters sure that sounds incredibly like Elon that's that's a baller answer but Peter as we're winding down the most like alpha male geek experience I've ever had in my life was you standing on stage at abundance 360 when Elon calls you on a video call from his airplane over Twitter's video thing I mean X yeah using starlink so here's a guy who wrote the software or at least owns the software that I think They did roll out um on

his jet with his satellite Network I'm like that is Peak geek beyond anything I've ever seen you that phone that was so cool what what could possibly go wrong so we had this half hour conversation with Elon talking about Ai and Optimus and uh neurolink and it's like it was a great connection and and he was he was really on and really focused I still have an argument with him about longevity though he still says he eats donuts every morning so so Does Aubrey deg gry you know the the pizza and beer thing and it's

one thing to say technolog is going to save me it's another thing to say I'm going to hedge my bets I might as well feel good right now and let technology save me and I'm in that camp but I respect people who are just making the bet you you got to live your life I just don't feel good on Donuts so I won't do it well brother a a pleasure to see you I'll just mention uh longevity guidebook.com is Where folks can get the book at uh at my cost it's half of what you'll get

it on Amazon uh but if you buy it on Amazon I'm donating 100% of the profits to the x prise foundation to our health span prize and uh for me you know I'm on a mission to help a million people um understand the potential they have for an extraordinary Health span uh to yet those extra Decades of life as you are and and and thank you for all of your incredible work with you know Superhuman and smart or not harder and upgrade labs and 40 Years of Zen and all the things that I've had the

pleasure to benefit from uh so I I'm grateful for your buddy um wow it's always so fun I can't wait to see you at abundance and I have my early release version of the longevity guide book so I'm working my way through it and so much appreciation can't wait to see you at abundance see you next time on the human upgrade podcast