Joe Rogan Experience #2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day. Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. We can talk as long as you want. No, it's up to you to decide. It's up to you. I'll talk to you forever. I have so many questions. I'm very excited to meet you. Same. I've seen you in documentaries for decades. So many documentary. I've watched so many things about Egypt. I'm completely fascinated By it. You know, I will tell you something. Do you know this guy used to to do already a show late evening? Art

Bell, the best. He was the best. I need to say this on air. I need to say his story on air. Okay. Now, are we on air now? Yeah, we're on air. Art bill used every evening to attack me. Yes. Oh. How the say how the Egyptian can move stones. Oh, that's not true. The Egyptian cannot do that. Wow. Then I was teaching at UCLA and he called me for an interview. I said, "No, I'm not going to give you an interview until you come to visit me in Egypt." And he said, "Okay." He came

with his wife. I took him to a quarry that we are cutting stones to conser to construct the things. Then I brought a stone eight tons weight and I brought a man on the age of 70 and I told this man cut this stone. The older man stood above the stone. You know stones has weak parts like us. Mhm. With a pencil He draw a line from the beginning to the end. In the middle he put a piece of iron. Pum pum. He cut it for twice. Acid art. The Egyptian doesn't use muscles. They use

their brain because the pyramid was the national project of the whole nation. If you go today, if I take you today with me and you know I always tell people this. I give lectures maybe three, four times a week for American groups and I tell them the following. If You stood in front of the great pyramid and you look at it, you will never believe that this pyramid built by human being. Why? Because you don't know. And number two, if you try to do it today, you'll never be able to do it. Are you going

to hire today 10,000 workmen to work for 10 for 28 years for nothing? That was the national project of the whole nation. I think Art Bell's real concern was how would someone possibly move Those stones 4,500 years ago. Okay. A lot of questions, right? Yes. But can I answer you now? Yes, please. Listen two examples I will tell you. The first example happened a few years ago. I discovered a tomb in a site called Abosphere. In the top of the tomb there was a huge granite sarcophagus 20 tons weight. Okay. Okay. If you come to

Egypt, have you been to Egypt? No, I haven't. You have to if you Talk about Asia. No, I have to. You have to come. But you have to tell me before you come. I'll come. I will tell you now. I promise. I brought only 10 people because I called the minister of culture. And I told him we found an intact to. And the minister said wait I will bring the reporter the press and we'll do it live. I said okay. But I hate to do anything life. Then I came to the site. I brought my

workmen. 10 workmen only Moved the 20 tons only by wooden sledges. We found underneath another sarcophagus. 10 10 tons weight of granite. We took the third one and we found underneath another a third one. Five tons weight. We took the five tons out and we found underneath a coffin with the mommy and I told the workman put everything back and I called the minister. I said you can bring the press will open it life. I never told them that I cheated him but only in a site That I'm excavating right now. We do discover 60

ft under the ground we discover sealed sarcophagus. The lid is about 10 tons weight. Two workmen only open the lid for me. We have a machine called the devil. I don't know why they called it the devil. Devil. Devil. Why? I don't know. I asked them. They said our grandfathers called it like that. Then they put This is an ancient machine. It is an ancient machine. Jamie could probably pull it up probably Online. Then they they put this machine under under the lid and they come doing like this and they raise the lid little bit.

So when the lid the lid is laced they put a piece of wood another piece of wood another until there is a half a feet that I can put right my face inside with the cuff with a flashlight to see what's inside the coffin. That's what we because the people today are the descendants of the ancient Egyptian. There is a a village located north of Luxor and this village all the people working in antiquities and they know if you look at their faces exactly like the ancient Egyptian people and all the people working with me.

I'm excavating right now in Giza. We're going to tell you good news in inside the great pyram that we found and also in Sakara and Luxur and this why in my lecture tour now I'm making a major important announcement that we'll talk about it with you today. Okay. What what did you find? Now you know can I call you Joe? Please do. And you call me Zah. Okay. Now, you know, I do receive fan emails. You've receive emails, fan fan emails, about 50 a week. Some of them bad ones. Some people think that I discovered

evidence to prove that pyramids built by aliens or lost civilization and I hide them. I never answer this questions. But to you, I Tell you, how do I how can I hide anything? I'm not working alone. I'm working with people. You you cannot hide anything because people will see you and I will tell you a joke. It happened. But it's a joke. A reporter came to see me from California to my office and my office was located next to the great pyramid of Kufu. And he said to me, people say at 12:00 noon you leave

your office and you go to the bathroom and you open a tunnel From your bathroom through really what he said. And you go from the tunnel to the great pyramid. Oh, and you hide things and you come back. I said, "Okay, what do you need from me now?" He said, "I want to see your bathroom." This really happened. He went to my bathroom. Did he check all the panels? And he came back. said, "Have you seen any tunnels in my bathroom?" He said, "No." I said, "What are you going to do now?" He said, "I

will publish your bathroom in the Internet and therefore if you want to see my bathroom, write www.hawasbroom.com." Is that much of an issue that people really believe it that you had to make a website for it? They do. They do believe in this. And and some of them attack me badly. Well, that's part of the problem, right? is that the Egyptian pyramids and just Egypt in general is so spectacular. The accomplishments of the ancient Egyptians were so monumental and so Above anything that anybody had ever achieved and since you know what they've done thousands and

thousands of years ago still to this day puzzles people when they try to figure out how it was built. I will tell you. You will tell me how it was built? Of course. Okay. I How do you know? How do you know? We how do you know? I found all the evidence of building the pyramid. I we we published a book 1,000 pages. This book is the Bible of the pyramids of Giza Plateau. Okay. Tell me how they did it. Now what we found out the major problem that people think about pyramids because most of

the information that written on pyramids are wrong. Most of it. Most of it in archaeology books. In archaeology books. Really? Except me and Mark Leer. You guys are the only ones that have it right because we I'm have been working in Giza for the last 57 years of my life. I excavated every piece of sand. Okay, let's take what do the Archaeologists have wrong in these archaeologist books? For example, number one, they say that the workmen who built the pyramids worked only four months a year. When the flood covered the whole country, the king hire

the workman to work in this pyramid. This is wrong. And I will tell you what's correct. Number two, that the stones used in building the great pyramid came from Torah. And Torah is a 25 mile to the east from Giza. And number three that Kufu ruled For 23 years and number four that the stones of the great pyramid are 2 million and 300 soldier blocks. How many blocks are there? Now let us talk about number one the workmen. The workmen. I found the tombs of the pyramid builders only one mile south of the shs. A

major important discovery that can tell everyone number one that pyramids built by Egyptians because of the names that we found inside the cemetery and there were no slaves because your phone I have To I have to Yeah, kill that thing. Kill it. You're right. I always because I do lots of interviews I always close it. Oh, I get it. Except today. No worries. Nobody knows how to shut these things off anymore. Then now this discovery. So explain. So you found the pyramids. Excuse me. You found the workers pyramids graves a mile away away one mile

south. Okay. Of the pyramids and by their names. Then and then I found names of the workmen. I Found the lower cemetery. The lower cemetery were for the burial of the workmen who moved the stones and the upper cemetery was for the technicians. Right? And how do you know this? I will tell you. Okay. Now the tombs down there are very primitive tombs built from mud brick cost nothing. Underneath is a skeleton. And if the skeleton is for a man he's holding a beer jar. You want to drink beer in the afterlife. If the skeleton

is for a woman, she has a Perfume vessels. She wants to have perfume in the afterlife. Inside the upper cemetery, I found 21 titles in hieroglyphic. For example, the overseer in hieroglyphic of the side of the pyramid. Oh, it says that the overseer of the side of the pyramid. Emir in hieroglyphic. the overseer of the west side of the pyramid. Draftsman, craftsman, the one who stand in front of the harbor. All these titles had to do With building the pyramid. Inside the tombs, we found the tools that the Egyptian used to cut the stones. What

tools? Durite and flint tools. Because in the old kingdom, there was no iron. Are these uh photos of these tools available online? Can we look at them? Yeah, I can send it to you online. Are they online? No, in my book, Giza and the pyramid system. I don't know if it's online. I'm sure it's online. Jamie will find it. So, these uh stones, these Tools were flint and durite. What is durite? Dorite. D I O R I T E. Diorite is more sharp stone than iron. And it came from uh uh aquari south of a

swan. So you feel like they use this very hard stone to cut into cut the stones and and I will come back to this cutting the stones but let me continue about the workmen. Okay. To the east of the tombs we found an area for sorting salted fish. We found an area For the bakery making bread. We found the workman barracks for the workmen who move the stones to live. We found a whole city for the technicians, for the artisans. And we discovered thousands of animal bones because people always say that the workman who built

the pyramid, they ate only garlic and a bread and drink beer. And I thought if they do that, they will die. But now we discovered that they slaughter 11 cows and 33 goats every Day. And this can feed 10,000 workmen a day. Then we believe now and I published that the workmen who built the pyramids were 10,000 workmen. And they working every day and they took one day off every 10 days. Joe, I want to tell you the pyramid was the national project. The three millions who lived in Egypt had to build the pyramid for

the king to be a god. And therefore the households in the south and the north of Egypt participated in building the pyramid by Sending workforce and food to help the king. Now we come to the second point the stones. We discovered that all the stones of the three pyramids at Giza the stones came from quaries in the site itself. Even the king's chamber. No, except except the granite in the king chamber. And and where'd that come from? From Aswan. And that's 500 miles away, right? Yes. By the flood. The flood. And those were 50 to

80 tons. It doesn't matter. It doesn't. Yes. I would if I was working there, it would matter. I mean, I show to you. I show to you. Not really 50 tons. It's 20 tons. Now what we found out first how the Egyptian built the pyramid they make on the ground a square base. Okay. Okay. And after that they cut in the solid rock in the four sides. You know I'm going to tell you one thing. Okay. If you tell me that pyramids built By giants, okay, I said, "Okay, come to the excavation. All the skeleton

that you discover are five to six feet high." Nothing about giants. You're saying they were built by giants. Some people say that. Oh, okay. The second I've heard aliens. Okay. The second aliens if if aliens build the pyramids. Mhm. Do they leave any do they [ __ ] sometimes? Aren't they going to [ __ ] Maybe aliens don't [ __ ] If they don't [ __ ] are they going To to leave something on the ground? On the contrary, I give you the evidence, every evidence that I will tell you today of actual workers of

actual workers and what's happening. Now we come about building the pyramid. Mhm. All the stones I told you came from Giza plateau. We found out what happened first. They cut in the solid rock. Okay. And they made the base of the pyramid to be 28 ft on the solid rock. Mhm. No stones. Do you get this? Yes. We have in Egypt 120 pyramids. We don't have only Kufu pyramid that everyone is talking about. You have 120 pyramids. This is one of them. But the reason that this pyramid is so accurate and strong because Giza plateau

is the only site in Egypt of the pyramids. It's a part of the Bukatam formation. It has three levels. Level one and two are very stones. But level three is the top quality of the stones that the Egyptian use this stone to Build the pyramid. Then after they make the base of the pyramid to be 20 ft each of stone, we found out 1,000 ft away we found out the quarry location all the stones. They only had to bring the stones 1,000 ft. Only only the stones that that came from outside are the casing stones

and I will talk about this later that came from Torah and the granite came from Asswan and the casing stones were the outside smooth surface. Exactly. Came from Torah. Okay. Then now when we discovered the quarry location and the base of the pyramid, we thought how they they established the ramp. You know the ramp, right? To move to move the stones, right? We found out if the Egyptian will make the ramp from the quarry to the base, it will never happen because when you raise the base, you need to extend the ramp. We found out

out, listen to this carefully, okay? that the only way to have a permanent ramp is to come to The south west corner of the main pyramid. They built the ramp like this. Okay? And I excavated and this are photos in my book Giza and the pyramids. I excavated from here to her. When the Egyptian construct a ramp, when they finish building the pyramid, they demolish they demolish the ramp. They cannot demolish all of it. They have to leave something in the ground. Okay. Do do you get this? Yes. I excavated from her to her. I

found in C2 Remains of the ram. Are there photos of this? Of course, in my book. Okay. Let's let's find the photos of the equipment first. I can't find Can't find anything? I'll show you what I It's in my book. What did you find? Well, not nothing. Nothing. The How is that not online? That doesn't even make any sense. It's in my book. Giza and the pyramids. Um, maybe look this are these are the tombs of the pyramid builders right there. This is the Excavation. This episode is brought to you by the farmer's dog. Dogs

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you will find out that you I found here the durite and the flint tools. Listen then now I will come the stones for building the pyramid came from the plateau. The casing came from Torah. Now we come to how how many years? So there is one big discovery happened few years ago. Are these the stool the tools? No, no. This is tools for for artists. The the tools in my in Our book which is big do right tools and big flint tools. Big ones. And why is this not online? Whoever put it in line. It's

in my book. Right. But I mean, wouldn't that be everywhere? I mean, that's such a huge archaeological discovery. It's not. It's because it's everywhere. It's not only in the work only. It's in every site. You have these tools in many sites, right? But why aren't these tools online? That's all I'm asking. I ask the people online, but They are in remains in my book. Are they in a museum somewhere? There is uh some in the car museum. Yes. So, there should be a photograph of them in the museum. Okay. What would Jamie look for? But

I don't know. I'm just like asking him. Now, I want to come to What museum would have them? Kyro Museum. Kairo Museum would have those tools. Yes. Okay. Now few years ago a major discovery Happened for the first time. It is the first time that we have written evidence about building the pyramid of Kufu. When did this happen? Three years ago. Really? It's called the Wadi Eljarf Papy. Oh. Do you want to know what's in this papyrie? I do. This papy was found in Sinai in a port belongs to Kufu. And inside this port there

was caves and inside the caves found remains of boat and this big bab huge. There it is. That's it exactly. Okay. And what does this say? Now, first of all, how old is that? 4,600 years ago. Isn't that amazing? And listen, you could find writing 1,600. So papyrus was made with animal skin, correct? No, papyrus was of uh of papyrus from the papyrie, right? What is what is the bar is just like leaves. Okay. Now, but listen to the papyrie. It is a diary of of an overseer of the workman. His name is Mirror. M

E R E R. Okay. Mirror is saying I am sahed in Hieroglyphic means inspector under me working 40 workmans. I was hired by kufu to work in his pyramid. This is in hieroglyphic. Mhm. And he said my big my my immediate boss his name is Diddy like P. Diddy. Diddy. Yes. Now, okay. 20 years ago in my excavation west of the Great Pyramid uh of Kufu, I discovered 20 tombs. Are these the tools? No, no, no. This is not the tools. No, no. The tools are really sharp type of big tools. We found some of

them. What is that Jamie's looking at? What are these? These um this could be this the tombs in the left is like them in the left here that those tools are no no no more no down no where you know here there is two there is more to the left to the left to the left to the left no again what this two tools you mean up down what are you talking the second one After this one that's it up. That's it. And this one. Oh, those those. Yeah. But don't those look exactly like the

other photograph we just had? Those up there? That looks like the heads of But this was a smalls. I'm talking about big ones. So that's this are tools for for making uh statues and things like but not cutting the stones. Oh, I see. So these are the same kind of tools though with the same kind of materials. But let me talk about the papyrie again. Okay. Because this many people doesn't know about this. Okay. Then Morer said, "My boss's name is Diddy. 20 years ago, I excavated west of the great pyramid of Kufu. I found

20 tombs, beautiful ones. I published all of them except one small tomb I said is not important. Three years ago, I found this is the tomb of Diddi, the person that he was the boss of Mirror. And I published this tomb. You can find this tomb online now. It's called deadest tomb by Zah west of the Great pyramid of Kufu. Now listen Joe what mirror said. I took my workman. This is in hieroglyphic. We went to Torah to cut the white fine limestone. This sentence means that the pyramid was finished and mirror went to bring

the stones for the casing and he said I'm not alone. There is many other gangs are cutting the stones and Torah is in north and south and he said I divided my gangs to three gangs. One gang to cut the Stones and one gang is smoothing the stones and smoothing the stones with the right tools to face the stones for the casing. And after that he said and the third group moving the stones in wooden sledges to this is all in the papyrie in the papari to a cargo boat. What happened in the old kingdom?

We have evidence that the river Nile, the Egyptian cut to the west of this river Nile, another Nile to be near the pyramid. From this Nile, they cut a Canal. At the end of the canal, there is a harbor in front of every pyramid. I discovered in my excavation in front of Kufu pyramid there is a village called Nazlet. In this village the people were building houses. Underneath the houses we we found bazalt walls. I stopped the construction of the houses and I excavated the whole area. I found this is the harbor of Kufu And

I published this in an article and I excavated in front of the swing temple and I found the harbor of Kein and it's published now the reason for the canal and the harbor to bring non-local stones granite from Aswan alabaster from middle Egypt dur from uh durite from Nubia, uh bazalt from fyum, white limestone from Torah, the Egyptian had everything. So they essentially cut a second canal. They cut a canal just so they can move the stones to where they wanted them and they discovered all of this and this is published if you write. And

so this was all the casing stones. Exactly. Right. Is it possible that the casing stones were put on later? No. after you finish building the pyramid right they there is two important things when they finish building the pyramid I discovered in a site called abosphere I discovered two scenes one scene where dragging a Capstone above the capstone is hieroglyphic word called j so where is this where is this this there's this is in hieroglyphs dragging the capstone can we see this find out I don't know if it's internet or not what would Jimmy look for

Look for Zah Haw discovery in Abuser. How much do you think was lost during the burning of the library of Alexandria? A lot of course. Everything. Right. Everything. And this why what I'm Telling you based I have been excavating in Giza for the last 57 years. Mhm. I know every piece of sand in the site. And I want to tell you one thing also. Okay. I am the only Egyptologist who have an open mind really that I re I always look I all yes I always look at what the public say and I will tell

you about this later. I will tell you what I found in the pyramid but I but let me finish this story and after that I will come back to tell you how I look at what People say and I try to okay to investigate this. Okay. They now mirror it. I put the stones on a cargo boat. Okay. And we came in the boat to Giza plateau. The sto the the workman took the stones up to the pyramid. We slept overnight at Giza. I got up early in the morning with my workman went to Torah.

He made many times talking about that. Then he said I went to Sinai to bring copper and turquoise. But he said in Sinai, "Our big boss, his name is Ankaf. We know from text that the architect who designed the great pyramid, he was Kufu's cousin. His name was Hemuno. Then actually it seems now that Hemunu died and Anaf completed the great pyramid and built the second pyramid of his son Kefin." M then he said I'm working in year 27 of Kufu's reign. He mentioned that Kufu was alive in year 27. How long do you think

he reigned for? 28 years. I I published an article. I published an article about you can find this article. Why was the age 23 23 years? Why was that attributed to them? No, it's a good question. This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. It's important that you take care of yourself physically and mentally because if you refuse to get help, you're not just hurting yourself, you're hurting the people around you. It can impact your family, friends, even your colleagues. And you know, mental health has come a Long way. Despite all our progress, though, there's

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cattle every year, sometime they counted the cattle every two years. Then we make mistakes. But now we have year 27 of Kof's reign. And we have on the second boat bit that the Japanese are restoring. Now we know when the king die, his son bury him. Then Kov's son, his name is Jere, who did not respect his father and I will tell you why. He buried his father in year 28. Then we know now for sure that Kufu ruled for 28 years. Now Mirror said something that made me very happy because 25 years ago I

wrote An article to say that Memphis was not the capital of Egypt. I said that the king rule Egypt from the pyramid. If the pyramid is in Abraash, the king rule Egypt from Abraash. If the pyramids in Giza Giza Abu Sakara then mirror said something many people did not believe me when I wrote this article, but Mirror said Kufu lived in his palace At Giza. If he lived in a palace at Giza means with the royal family, the public and the government. And he said that the area that Kufu lived in it in the pyramid

called Ank Kufu in hieroglyphic means the Kufu lives. This is the name of the city that Kufu lived in. it and he and Miller said we came to Giza in an area in hieroglyphic called Rashe and Rashe means literally mouth of the lake this Could be the entrance of Giza plateau but what's really strange he said it took me almost one day for me and my workman to up to come to the pyramid why because Giza entrance was busy. Every stone coming in has to be counted. Every workman has to sign the first letter of

his name. And this why it if you go today to the port of New York, it will take you 5 hours to enter because it's busy. And this what happened at Giza Plateau. This papari in my opinion is Really one of the most important discovery that tells us for the first time about building the pyramid. And now we come to the reign of Kufu 28 years. And now the stones of the great pyramid. I looked everywhere to find out how they counted the stones. Okay, that people said it's 2,300,000 blocks, right? I found no evidence.

It's only when the Arabs came. You know all the theories that the new Age people say now it came from the Arabs. When the Arabs came and they entered the pyramid, they said all this nonsense stories about the pyramids. Then I never found any place to tell me how they cut the stones. But now we have evidence that the base of the pyramid is 20 ft high of solid rock. No stones. In 2010, I brought a team scientist from every field and we recounted the stones based on the new evidence and we found out that

the stones of the pyramid are Only no more than 1 million. And the average height of the limestone is half a ton to 2 and a half tons. So the base of the pyramid is 20 ft high carved into solid stone. Yes. And then the other rocks were placed on top of it. No, I I I want to come to when you told me about this capab, right? But let's let's start off with this though. The base is 20 ft high and then there the estimation was 2,300,000, but you think it's far less than that

Because of the new discovery that we found that the base is made of the solid rock. So before they thought the base was individual stones. Yes. Okay. So now that you know that the base is solid rock that removes 1,300,000 stones that were necessary. Yes. Got it. So they carve this base knowing that they were going to put a pyramid on top of it. And what about the subterranean chambers? Every king in Egypt is buried underneath the pyramid. Every king except Kufu and his father. The only two kings they are not buried underneath is Kufu

and his father. If you look at the one chamber underneath, it was cut and built. If you go down, it's left unfinished. Left unfinished in what way? It was planned to cut it, but they did not complete it. You can see when you go down that the to the burial chamber is not finished. Why? Why? Because I found out in our research every king is Horus On earth. When the king die, he become the sun god. Okay. Okay. Kufu in year five he said I am the sun and he abandoned the construction of the first

burial chamber and he built his chamber within the pyramid because he's a god and that's the queen's chamber correct no the first one I'm going I'm going to come to this chambers later okay and the second evidence that he called his Pyramid Kufu means the horizon of Kufu and the only one in the horizon is the sun. And the third evidence is something that only occurred at Giza, the Sphinx and it timble. I found that the Sphinx represent Kefir, the son of Kufu, giving offering with his two Ps to his father. Okay. The sun god

Kufu who rise and sits in this temple, the first sun temple. And this why Kufu's pyramid is unique among the 120 pyramids. And I will tell you what I discovered inside the pyramid. Now, okay. Now before I tell you about what I discovered, I have to complete the scene that I told you that I found workman dragging a cabbage stone. You remember you asked me that. We stopped on that. Above the cabbage stone there is hieroglyphic word called jim and j means white and yellow gold. A second scene I found ladies dancing and they call

them the and the are the dance troop of the king. My interpretation of these two scenes when the pyramid was finished the king asked the workman to put the cobblestone in the top of the pyramid. Mhm. When they put the cobblestone in the top of the pyramid cased with gold, the whole country dance and sing because the king became a god. That's what I call the national project of the Whole nation. The three millions who lived in Egypt in the time of the old kingdom, all of them participated in building the pyramid to make the

king as a god. This is your theory. Not a theory. No, it's it's fact. It is a fact. The pyramid was the national project. No, that's not what I mean. I mean, it's your theory that that the capstone was put on and it's not a theory. It's it's based on evidence. I Found the scenes. The papari. No, the the the papar is something else. It's blocks. Blocks. Limestone blocks. One scene working and dragging a capstone with the word jime. Is this written in limestone blocks? Is this what you're saying? This No, it show the workman

and dragging a stone. Shows it where in the stone that I discovered. So it's carved into the stone. Exactly. And the word in hieroglyphic above that. Where is that at? It's in aosphere. I Found it. But is are there photographs online? Yes. In my book. I don't I I don't I don't go online. Why I have to go online? I go to my book. Oh, no. I understand. But for everybody else that doesn't have immediate access to your really did you find them online? It's called the aboser blocks. Abuser. A B as in boy. How

do you think they got the stones from the king's chamber 500 miles away and put them 120 ft up in the up in the ceiling. It's I told you if you come today and see how the workmen move 20 tons of granite you will understand workers today yes today like yesterday the same workmen okay right but different correct if they're doing it today have access to modern machines if you don't no they don't no it's everything based on the idea of the national project they want to make this for the king I understand the national

project but what I don't understand is The physics involved involved in moving 80 ton blocks 500 miles through the mountains. If you don't believe on this I It's not that I don't believe I just want to know inside this inside. Hold on. Hold on. It's not that I don't believe. I want you to explain to me how you think they did it. I explained to you from 500 miles away 50 to 80 ton blocks. This comes through the Nile. You can bring all the stones, right? But the quaries mountains, right? No, the Quaries, the granite

quaries in Aswan and we have cutting of the obliskus and cutting of the stones and cut of everything in the site and they brought in when the flood comes in July, they bring boats through the flood, they bring out all the stones to get the plate. They they plan things for the floods and then they would figure out some sort of a raft system to get them on and then move them that way. Now If we now do not believe that this cannot be moved by human being. Okay. But on the other side what I

can tell you inside above these blocks written the names of the gangs who built the pyramid above the king chamber. One of the names, friend of Kufu, I did a 3D few months ago and we recorded in the five chambers that has this huge blocks. We found two more names of the gangs. One name called those who are Connected with the goodwant and written year 13 of Kofu's reign on the third chamber. I took Mr. Beast with me two months ago. I took him and I showed him how these blocks they were written by the

workmen before they moved the stones. Mhm. And in in the fourth room we have the good god. Another name was year 13 of Kofur's reign. This is when they moved the stones. So I understand what you're saying. So you're saying that they took These stones, they waited for the flood season, they got these stones on rafts, they moved them down the river, they got them to the site. How did they get them 120 ft in the air? You know, again, this is the most important thing. This is the national project to them. I just wondered

what technology was used. No, technology. Well, technology is tools. Technology is levers. Whatever they had at the time was their current huge the huge wooden Sledges, huge wooden sledges. This is the only way that today we move huge stones. This how my workmen moved 20 tons sarcophagus in a tomb. How far did they move it? They moved it just few feet away. But we have scenes of how workmen move 60 tons statue. How they move with the religious right and they draw it. Yeah. I've seen those scenes. Yeah. Then we have all this type of

scene that the Egyptian show that again this is the national Project. Do you think they wet the ground like what did do you think that they did something like that to make the ground more slick so they could pull it and do that? Yeah. And then uh do they are they using sleds like how do they get sledges wooden sledges and then they just we have this in slowly but surely pulled it into position. We have this in the tombs this wooden sledges. Yeah. But let me take you now to what I began to reveal

the secret of Kufu pyramid. Okay, As I told you again, I always listen to what people say and I try to prove them if they are right or not. I was interested in the great pyramid most of my life because I was the inspector of the pyramid, director of I I spent most of my life there. Then I closed this pyramid for a year to stop humidity to stop humidity because every person all the breathing exactly enter inside the pyramid gives about 20 gram of water and this water becomes salt. Then Mechanically I removed the

salt. You had to clean the walls. Exactly. And after that I thought how can I make a ventilation system of the pyramid in the king chamber and the queeny chamber you have this tunnel. Mhm. 20 by 20 cm only small tunnel right then I thought I should clean these tunnels then I can make a ventilation system. I had no idea of what I'm going to find out. What'd you find out? Then I hired a German robot and we took the German robot to the king chamber. We are sitting in the king chamber with a TV

screen and the robot entered in the shaft. We found out that the interior of the pyramid the stones were interplucked and this why when the Arabs came to Egypt and they said man first time and time first pyramids then we found out that this shaft went outside. Then we put a fan here and the fan suck The air and push it in the tunnel and we made a ventilation system in the barrel. So this discovery of these stones, what was unusual about the way they were placed? What you say? They interlocked. Interlocked. Interlocked. Yes. Like

what do you mean by that? Oh, like fingers. Okay. So there's like different levels and they all slid in together. They they they how they put the stones with each other. Okay. But now the most important then I took the Robot to the secondary chamber. Now we know that the tunnel in the first chamber are open outside. Open outside. But I think why we have these tunnels in the second chamber. They call it wrong chamber. Right. Then we took the robot to the northern tunnel of the quiry chamber. After 60 ft, the the robot stopped

because the tunnel was bending to the left and the German robot could not bend. Then we took the robot To the south tunnel. The robot went for 200 ft, stopped in front of a door with two copper handles. That was the first discovery. Now I began to think how can I find out what's behind this door. In 2002 I was chosen by the National Geographic as explorer in residence were nine explorers. With them with us was Bill Billard who found Titanic. Each explorer had a dream. I told them, "I need you to design a robot

for me. I want to find out what's behind this door." And they did make a robot. And they called it pyramid rover. We took the pyramid rover and the robot went in the south tunnel and the robot had a a drilling on his hand. The robot opened one hole, 1 cm and 1 mm and sent an optic camera through this hole. We found after 21 cm of this door a second one and the second one has an igy shaped like that as if it's hiding something. Then after that we went to the northern tunnel that

was bending. We found out it's bending north and south for 24 ft. And the reason for the bending was to avoid the grand gallery. At 200 ft, the robot stopped in front of a third door with two cover handles in the same distance of this one. And these doors are very small, right? Very small. 20 per 20 cm. Okay. Now I spent most of my life from from from 2002 until 20 24 last year. I found a team from England and we worked last year for three seasons. Number one, I found out above the king

chamber, the king chamber, a big void, the grand I'm Sorry, above the the grand gallery. Right. This void the size of two trucks. Now the second void behind the northern tunnel another small void. Inside this void we can see hieroglyphic inscriptions. Really? So those are the only hieroglyphics on the great pyramid. Right. And you and I can show you the footage in my if do you have the footage here? If you can come to my lecture. Oh come on. What about Right here right now? I can send it to you. Do where do you have

it? Do you have it on you? In my computer. Where's your computer? In uh Las Vegas. Oh, well, [ __ ] But I can send it to you before. Yeah, but I want to show it on the show. Show it in the show. I can send it to you tomorrow. Show. Okay. You can send it tomorrow? Yes. Okay. We'll splice it in, folks. Then tomorrow I will send it to you. Please do. Okay. I'll give you my email. I'll give you Jamie's email. Yeah. Give me But you should come and are you can you come

and introduce me here in Houston? Excuse me. Can I introduce you in Houston? No, I cannot. Why? Because I'm very busy. Okay, fine. If if I had known in advance, I could. Oh, fine. Fine. Yeah, fine. Fine. I uh unfortunately I don't have any free time. Zoe. Zahi. Zahi. Zahi. Zahi. Not Zawi. Zahi. Then now, Mr. Hawas. Then now what you are going to do? So this is The only pyramid. Can I ask you though? This these this hieroglyphics inside this chamber that you've discovered. This these are the only hieroglyphics in the great pyramid. Is

that correct? No, there is in the five chambers. I told you. Oh, in the other chambers. I told you in the five chambers. Now we have five names of the gangs who built the pyramids. And we have these are all recent discoveries. Yes. Like within how long? How recent? The the This void as last year 2024 the hieroglyphic discovery or 3 months ago. So all this is very Isn't that fascinating? You've been studying the pyramids for so long and you're still finding things. Listen to me. What I'm going to do? What are you going to

do? You There is a friend of friend of mine. His name is Leslie Grafe. Leslie is from Hollywood. He did with me many live TV shows and he did with me Chasing Mommies. And Leslie now is working to find a network to come. We need to do this program live. Okay. I want to show the whole world what I discovered inside the pyramid that we are not hiding anything. I want to show them the hieroglyphic. Why Why do you always feel like you're in battle with people? Because because they attack me. Go to I'm not

in a battle with people. They are in the battle with me. I understand That. I understand that. But I'm giving you an opportunity to just lay things out. You don't have to argue with people that aren't here. You know, [ __ ] those people. I'm not argue. I'm saying telling the people. I just I'm just fascinated by the discovery itself. So what does it look like these hieroglyphs? Did you I know you can read hieroglyphs, right? Is that signs? You can read that stuff. Yes. But we can the signs are not clear. It's not clear.

No, We need to do more investigation in September. Is it a difficulty in seeing inside there? Because you know because when the Egyptian write inside the five chambers for example they don't write hieroglyphic they write a cursive hieroglyphic it's called hieratic and this hierotic Joe it's very difficult to read from outside what does that look like it's a cursive of the hieroglyphic let me see what that looks like Jamie that's fascinating that's no This is hieroglyphic this is hieroglyphic that's hierarchic we talk about hierarch On the right hand side it says exactly look at the

one and write thisic. Okay. Then it's very difficult. It's so beautiful. Yeah. What a beautiful language like the way it's written. It looks like art. Then Joe what we're going to do before the end of this year we are going to show what's inside the five the this voids life. Can you repeat that up Jamie? Can these these symbols that look like like make that larger please? These symbols to the far left that were right below Jaime's cursor right there. Like what are those supposed to be? They are signs. But what does it mean? Look

this. It looks like a device or something. The one down means sish for a a determin of a scribe. What is the one that his cursor that this is like a stop sign? It's for a scribe. A scribe. Yeah. What does it mean? Me scribe. It means a Scribe. Okay, I understand. So, and then the other one on the hieratic, that's the cursive version of you know, I don't I'm not that expert in heric. Okay. Because hieratic is very cursive. I understand. But I think this showing that, right? I know. But we if you look

at the signs in the five chambers that I will send it to you tomorrow, it's very difficult to read, but you can see they are hieratic cursive signs. Got it. But the most important that we are going to Show this live. Oh wow. Okay. So people don't even know and you're going to show all this stuff live. We will do it live. But this the other thing we have another team called scan pyramids team. They are scientists from Japan, France and Egypt. I am the scientific director who really they should if they discover something they

they come to me. I have to discuss it with them. And they found, you know, the the pyramid. Yeah. You have the entrance that the people use now is the Entrance that the Arabs opened. That's in the north face. Correct. Exactly. Above that is a mini chamber. Okay. The Egypt the the team are using a very sophisticated techniques like ultrasound infrared. With this techniques you do not need anymore to drill. You can really see what's behind the door and this really what I'm using right now. Then they came to me and they said behind the

main entrance of the pyramid there is a Corridor and they showed to me this corridor clear in the five techniques that they using but I told why I have to see it. Let's go up there. We went up there and they sent an an optic camera through the the stones and they found I could look at the corridor 30 ft long, 8 ft wide, topped with chevron shape. I think you can see that in the Internet. The corridor behind the main entrance of the pyramid. Can you get it? It's in the internet, I'm sure. This

void above the Grand Gallery, the size of two trucks. What do you think that is? I have no idea. I'm just telling you what I found. And um have this was a great pyramid. I did more work on the third pyramid with the same techniques and the second pyramid. This is the void. Okay, that's Can you see it? Wow, that's incredible. And I think and bring the other big void above the Grand Gallery. I think you'll see it also. So find the void above the Grand Gallery, Jamie. Um, so this it's two trucks, the size

of two trucks, size of two semi-truckss and um, do you have any idea like what the inside? I will tell you I will tell you about my theory. Please do. Uh, I think that it's here. So that's the Void. Yeah. Now and it's that shape. It's in that direction. And so it's at a slope. It's above the Grand Gallery. That's it. That's it. Yeah. The scan pyramid project. Now I tell you my theory. Please do. We have a story written in hieroglyphic but not at the time of Kufu. It's after Kufu. The story it's written

in a papyrie. It's called Kufu and the magician. It say that Kufu was staying In his palace. And he was very upset. He was not happy. And his son came to him, "Your majesty, why are you unhappy?" He said, "I'm searching for the secret of the gut, the god of wisdom. Then I can design my burial chamber in the pyramid." Then his son told him, "I know a magician. His name is Jiddi. He knows how to cut the head of a man off and put it back. And he knows the secret of the Gut, the

gut of wisdom. He knows how to cut the head of a man off and put it back. But is the guy still alive? Is that what he's saying? No, this this is what the son is telling his father. I understand that that Ji can do that. A lot of people can cut a guy's head off and put But listen to the story. This is the story. Okay. Then the king told his son, "Bring this to me." Okay. They describe him 100 years old and he drink 1,000 beer. Ji came in front of the king and

Kufu told him, "I heard that you can cut the head of a man off." He said, "Yes, your majesty." He said, "Do it." He said, "Ji said, I cannot do it with a human being." He said, "Okay, I will bring you a prisoner." Ji said a prisoner is a human being. Then he told he brought him a goose. He took the head of the goose up in front of everyone and the head came back and the goose was running in front Of everyone. That's written in the story. Then the king that I come back to

what's believed that now. Okay. And the king told him I want to know the secret of the GTO to design my burial chamber. He told him that the this secret will not be in your hand. It will be in the hand of another people who will rule Egypt. Kufu was very upset. So he wouldn't give him the secret because he said that secret won't Just be in your hands. It'll get into other people's hands. Then the king dangerous. The king was unhappy. He told them don't worry your majesty because you will rule and your sons

and your grandson now about magic. Yeah. Do you believe in religion or not? Yeah. Okay. Do you know about Judaism? Sure. A little. When God told Moses when Moses met God and God told him to go to Egypt to meet the Pharaoh, right? And God told him, remember the pharaohs are highly in Magic, right? They will beat you. Then God taught Moses how to be more in magic than the Pharaoh. And you remember when he hear the stick and the stick became a snake, I think. And and the and Moses brought more snakes to to

to swallen what the Pharaoh did. Then we know from books from Judaism from the beginning that the ancient Egyptian were really highly in magic then we can believe. Do you think that that magic might have had something to do with how they Constructed the pyramids? No. No, you don't. But but if you believe that they had enough magic to take a goose's head and put it back on and still alive, that's magic. Yeah. Wouldn't they use that magic for other things? But we have But you believe in magic? I do. Of course you do. You

do believe in magic. So, you believe that someone could take someone's head off, put it back on? It's written. Okay, then it must be true. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Um, what is this? Someone's going to kill a dove. It's a magic trick. Can decapitate birds and stuff. Oh, put back together. I was just reading it. Apparently, in the trick that he did it, he put the head on the other side of the room and made them come back together. He did it to a calf and a different animal also. But now, what really I want

to tell you now, well, that person's magic, too. Maybe that person can make a spirit. What what I want to show you That I'm not a person. What do you think magic is? Magic is magic. What do you think magic is? Well, how does it work? I have no idea. What do you mean how it works? Well, I mean, how does someone do something like that? I have no idea. We have to go back and we have to go back. We have to go back to five 4,600 years ago. And do you think a lot

of this information is what was lost in the burning of the library of Alexandria? Of course, this is some of it. But still Unbelievably detailed. But still also you know because I will tell you why we do not have any evidence about kufu temples and things like that because what happened the ancient Egyptian believe that a pharaoh should be a male. A pharaoh cannot be a female. Anyone who changed the religious belief they hit him. Hatsuit when she became a pharaoh they hated her and they destroyed her Monuments. Kufu when he changed his cult to

be a sun god in the first intermediate period they destroyed his monuments the temples. The statues the only statute of that king was found in upper Egypt not at Giza. Even in the temple of his sons there was 23 statues. They smashed the statues. A smashing was a sign of revenge. Now, do you have any question about Kufu pyramid before I switch to the things? Um, well, I'm I'm fascinated by a lot of aspects of Kufu's pyramid. Well, one of the big ones that's come up very recently that I'm sure you're aware of is u

these satellite radar. Was it called tomograph? What is it called? Tomographic where they think that there's these pillars underneath the structure. Okay. I investigated this first of all these two scholars from Italy. Mhm. They have never been in Egypt. They have never worked in the pyramids before. Right. They're using satellite information. Number two, they published their article in a journal. Mhm. This journal do not send their article to refreeze. You pay a fee to publish the article in your responsibility. Okay. Number three, I am not a scientist. I took this techniques that they used and

I gave it to expertise and they said this techniques cannot Show underneath a solid rock of almost 600 ft down. No way. How why can't they? They said this cannot show that. But these scientists are saying they can. Do do you know about the Osiris shaft? How they've got a a scanded it. Yeah, you did, right? But do you know that they use this tomographic and No, I am the one who found it. This No, I understand you found it. But they also discovered it. They showed that it exists using the Same technique. No, no,

that this is wrong. This is not true at all. Um, I can tell you how I found that. How can I find I'm not saying that you didn't find it. it it's uh under the paper signature aperture radar Doppler tomography by Filippo Bondi and if you scroll down Jamie you'll see an image and this image is uh of the Osiris shaft which shows that they got an accurate depiction of that from space that's not true from sat it's not true so what are you saying That they're lying here they're completely lying but if they're showing

using these techniques things that we know that you discover discovered that absolutely exists. Now they this techniques as I told you scientists said that this techniques cannot show 600 ft under the pyramid. The Ozar shaft that they found was only 50 ft, right? But it's showing at least for 50 ft that this is accurate. What makes you believe those scientists rather than these guys From Italy? Because the because the scientists are scientists. Well, these are scientists as well. They are they are not showing their techniques carefully. They have not. What do you mean they're not

showing their techniques? Take the techniques that they said and show it to any scientist. No one no one can tell you this is accurate. I I asked it every every person who knows about radar ultrasound all the People work with me this the scan pyramid project they said this is [ __ ] It cannot happen at all. Now tell me. So you're telling me that these scientists that are proclaiming the capabilities of these satellite tomography devices that are saying that they can see kilometers into the ground with this stuff. That's not true. I did. Are

you sure? I did. Do you understand the technology? No. Not me. But you're just listening to other people. Scientists who are in this field. Have you talked to these scientists that are saying that they have these discoveries? I sent I made a press release. But did you talk to They did. I did not. I Why not? I because they did not talk to me. How can I find them? I made Would you be willing to talk to them? Connect you to them? Okay. I'll connect you to them. I'm just interested if new technology becomes available

and they figure out a way to look into the ground and you Discover things, especially if they discover the Osiris shaft and it turns actually. You did not discover the Ozari shaft again. You discovered it, but they used their technology to show an accurate depiction of the interior of the Osiris shar. Is that true? No. The Ozar that we show the Ozir shaft is known to everyone, right? It can be seen by when they turn their equipment on the Osiris shaft, it shows the actual interior. Maybe I don't know but this is 50 feet but

they're talking about 600 ft. I understand but if it can go 50 feet why can't it go 600? Now I am again I'm not a scientist. Right. So why are you using it though? I gave what they published to a scientist and they said this not true but scientists wrong all the time particularly ones that are biased. Then what I what I did I made a bris release. Okay. Explaining my point. Yes. And I said my work of the second pyramid that The base of the pyramid is 28 ft of solid rock. Right. And there

is no way that anything can be happened in the solid rock. And I explained I think what they're saying is underneath the solid rock. Let me let me finish. And I said your techniques that you published in this magazine is not refereed by scientist. You just published it. And number three, the team that working in Giza with all this new techniques, they said this is wrong. They and I and they Know the team that's working in Giza with all these techniques. What do you mean? We have the scan pyramid team, right? They're working but you

understand this is different technology. I understand but they know about this technology. But have they used this technology? They said this technology cannot work cannot show 600 ft under the pyramid at all. This what they said and this why if the Italians were confident they could contact me. I'm the I'm the Pyramid expert that anyone should Well, we'll make sure that happens. But listen, if the the stone is 20 feet thick, the solid stone at the base, that's correct, right? And you said Osiris shaft is 50 feet, that means it can see past 20 ft,

right? But how can So it could see through the stone and see I mean what they're showing. But the shaft the ozar shaft is open, right? It's not covered to see. I understand. You can go and you see the shaft down. Everyone can see it, but the interior is not open and the interior is visible. But you can see the interior, but you can't see it to the exact dimensions the way these tomographic images show it. Right? If they're using this technology to go 50 ft under the ground to get an accurate depiction. I am

not a scientist. I understand. So, but this is my question. Why would you why would you dismiss it if you haven't looked under There? I because I I told you it is not me who can dismiss this. What does it say Jimmy? This is the link to the the art the original article I believe there's their names. The very first sentence says that the problem or penetrating action of electromagic waves inside solid bodies the capability to observe these distributed targets is preluded and then they had to come up with an experimental says experimental results Are

estimated by processing the S images into something else. So I think that's the disconnect I'm hearing. Yeah, I I I don't understand the technology but my question is we know how spectacular the pyramids are. We know how spectacular just the base of it, the fact that it's carved into solid rock. Why would you not think that maybe other spectacular things exist? Even I'm not. I told you I am not this type knows about the science. I Consulted the team. Mhm. The top in the world from Japan, France and Egypt. Who are these people? They are

the scan pyramid team. What? Okay. The scan pyramid. Yeah, the ones that found the exactly the chamber above and they are working with me and we found many other things in the second pyramid and the third pyramid and and we we published this I we just published an article last week. Then what I am saying if this techniques that these two Italians are Correct the only people who really can tell you it's correct or not are the scan pyramid people. Not me. But the scan pyramid people, aren't they using different technology? But they know about

technology. They are the top scientists in the world. I have to believe them, not the two Italians. Yeah. And if the Italians are really correct, they could come to talk to us, not me, to talk to me and others. I will definitely try to connect you with those People because I know that Graham Hancock and Brian Merescu have been in contact with those people and um they're they're open-minded about it. They don't know what's going on down there, but the these images are repeated over and over and over again. Fine. But they fascinating either way.

Okay. Um the the whole the the one of the fascinating things about um Egypt to me is the fact that it's not just so much more advanced in terms of construction Than anywhere else in the world, but that it's it it's still to this day like no nothing even close has ever been even attempted to this day. What do you think was going on back then as far as their capabilities and their understanding that led them to do something so spectacular that other people 4,500 years ago? Again, the belief of the afterlife built Egypt, right?

But they also had to have understanding Engineering and construction and design to do this belief of the afterlife to build the pyramid. As I told you, this was a national project of No, I understand it's a national project, but they have to You can talk about this pyramid if it exist alone. When you come to Egypt and you go through time, you will see that everything gradually Mhm. there is no gap that you can What do you mean by that? There is no gap for anyone to think something different than the Belief of the Egyptians.

I don't think anybody's saying that. Oh yeah. Well, maybe some people are maybe some people do, but I mean it's all the Egyptians. Obviously, it was in Egypt. I mean, it's the Egyptians that made it. Yeah. It's pretty obvious. That just seems obvious. Then if you believe in that, I'm happy I'm happy to hear this from you. Yeah. Well, I just think whenever people say it's aliens or like where's the proof of that? Exactly. Also, they built a lot of Spectacular things like no if ends or buts. just just the statues just the faces of

the pharaohs with incredible symmetry. That's why I want really I want since you are interested in Egypt I we would like to invite you to come to Egypt. I want to come I just it's for me it's we are willing to invite you willing to go. Okay. Tell me tell me when. Okay. And I will arrange everything for you. Okay. We'll hook it up. But now I want to come to the Sphinx Also. Okay. Can we talk about the things? Yes, please. Now you know when I was young I was met by the Edgar Casey

ah son the psychic guy Han Casey and Hen Casey was the son of Edgar Casey I was young I really do not know what this case he had when they when he came to Egypt and talked about me about his father you know about Kgar case okay then he had a vision that there was a a chamber Underneath the sphinx's underneath If the rio of the sphinx there is a chamber and he he've envisioned that correct yes and this why I'm going to Virginia Beach to give a talk one of the cities in my tour

now is Virginia Beach why because when people began to tell me there is something inside the things I really as I told you I have an open mind and I did church. I found inside the Sphinx four tunnels. One behind the steeler. They call it Dreamy steeler between the two boards of the sphinx. And the second one behind the head in the top, right? There's a there's actually a door in the top of the head down. No, no, no. There's a lint. Just a tunnel. A tunnel. 25. Isn't it closed off though? No. Yeah, it's

closed. Yeah. Yeah. There's like a door on the top of it, right? It's not a door. No, a lid. It's just a tunnel. Go down. Okay. But it's closed off. We We It's You cannot go up to the Sphinx. That's why we have to cover it because it will take rubbish and garbs. Well, that's the top. That's what I'm talking about. Isn't that the top of it? Is this a sphinx? Yes, that's it. Okay. That's a lid, right? Yeah, we we covered it. Okay. Yeah, but we covered it. Got it. To protect it from the

sand, but it's not a door. Okay. It's a lid. the third tunnel that I found in the back. Now, Edgar Casey, he had this vision that there was some hall of information. I Know, but I'm I'm going to come to this now, but I'm talking to you about the tunnels now. And the third one is in the tail. The fourth one was opened in 1927 by a French name is Mishu Bere. And I do have photos of workl inside the things. We found this four tunnels are published an article scientific article. I found in Sito

in all the four tunnels of pot in Sito to prove that these Tunnels were opened on dynasty 25 500 BC as in the late period when the Egyptian saw the things they thought there is something hidden underneath and they dug and they found nothing. Now we come to the Edgar Casey and what people believe because we had Jean Antoninoist and we had uh many new age people who believe there is something hidden underneath the things and they used to tell me we need per Your permission to what to drill as how can I let someone

who's not an archaeologist who's not a scientist to drill no way but recently I found out the rise of the water table in front of the Sphinx and I was really afraid that the water could damage the Sphinx. Then I brought a team from Kai University and we did drill 30 to 35 feet underneath the Sphinx. Everywhere. And I do have photos of everywhere under the Sphinx. Okay. The sphinx is a solid rock or a living rock and there is nothing underneath. So there's no tunnels. No tunnels. This is exactly okay. I told you what.

What do you think about Robert Shock and his theory about the temple and the erosion outside of the Sphinx that it's water erosion? When Shock said that, okay, we brought through the American Research Center Mhm. a scientist from Louisville University. I don't remember his name now. And we gave him what Robert Shock, You know what Robert Shuk said? It's not his theory. It's a theory of a new age guy who talked about this before and Jean Anton West brought I don't remember who. Then we gave we gave this guy from Louisville University. He was an

Indian American who really studied. He came to the Sphinx and he worked with us for a season and he came and we published many articles that the erosion that you see outside and inside the Sphinx is from Wind and not from water. Now what shock want to say that this is dated back 15,000 years ago. I agree. Okay. If I came here and I dug the swings, I will leave something. Then what I did, we dug an area northeast of the swings. I found level old kingdom, middle kingdom, new kingdom, Roman, nothing underneath. Then in

this new age, people Say that the head of the sphinx is very small comparing to the body. Right? Yes. Why? Wow. If you take all the casing stones away from the sphinx, you'll find exactly here the sphinx and now this and another part like this. In between there is a hollow. Remember I told you that Giza plateau is divided to three levels. Mhm. Level one and two is very bad stones can be seen to the chest of the sphinx. Level three, They carved the head from level three. Then when the Egyptian carved the head to

represent the king kein with the cobra Mhm. the royal head rem a a a loyan body. Then what they did they filled this hollow between the two sphinx pieces with stones and they covered the whole body of the sphinx with stones and they did the modeling of the loan body on the covering stones and this why the head is very small comparing. So you think the head was Made first and then the body was made later. If that's the case why is the body so much more eroded than the head? told you the body it

is a part of the bad stones. Bad stones stones. Exactly. It's a different density to the stones. That's why the stone in the the sphinx's head is intact. And the body level it's level it's level three. So it's a different kind of stone. Exactly. Of the body. And this why the because there's layers to It all. Some of the layers are more dense. The Egyptian wanted to make a loyan body. They couldn't. The only way is to cover the body of stones and do the modeling of the law body on the covering stones. Can we

take two minutes rest? Yeah, sure. You want to take a break? Yes. To go to this bathroom. Okay. Go to the bathroom. You know where it is? Yes. Just go outside, take a left. We're back. The Sphinx. Let's pick up where we left off. So, you were saying that these uh other experts that looked at it didn't agree that it was water erosion and said that they think that it was wind. So what what John Anthony West and what Graham Hancock and what Robert Chock and all these different people are trying to allude to is

that perhaps there was even older stuff that was in Egypt and that the things that you're seeing that are 2,500 BC those Are even more recent than the older stuff. Tell me about Zepte. What's Zepte? What's this? You you never heard about Have you heard about the like you know about the King's List, right? The old king's list that goes back 30,000 whatever years. Who said that? You never seen in it's not in hieroglyphs. This is not true. No, this is a speculation from people who knows nothing about history. There is nothing king list dated

back 30,000 years ago at All. The first keep saying that because they don't know speculation. Give me one evidence of that. The only the first the first king list dated back to dynasty 5 only. I was reading that people were saying that it was myth that the the kings list even though there is like some hieroglyphics of ancient kings that these are just mythical tales. This is not true. There is no at all a name that you told me I never heard of this name. I am an Egyptologist working in Egypt For the last 57

years. I never heard of this king list at all. Never. Never. And you never even heard of it. Why I have to hear about it? Because it's not true. I don't want to waste my time in things like this. I am a person. Give me a fact. Tell me what is this? Egyptian zeppy refers to the first time or the first occasion. The first this is an AI. It refers to a mythical golden age of Egypt where gods lived on earth and Civilization was in its infancy. This period is often associated with the beginning of

creation and the establishment of societal structures. Have you you've never heard of that before? No. And this is not true. What do you mean it's not true? I mean this is I'm I'm getting this off of it never happened at all. Okay. I'm not saying it happened. I'm just saying that this is something that's referred to. It's never be I never heard about it. It is not True. It has not existed at all. Even if it doesn't exist, the myth of it exists. I don't listen Joe. Why do I have to go to a myth

of people create stories? If you go to Wikipedia, I don't care about Wikipedia. I care about what I see in my eyes as an archaeologist or a verologist. In all the minutes, the world was said to emerge from an infinite lifeless sea when the sea when the sun rose for the first time in a distant period known as Zeppi. The first Occasion different myths attributed to the creation of different gods. The set of eight primordial deities called Ogdode, the contemplative deity Pata, and the mysterious transcendent god Ammoon. While describing these different cosmologies completed or competed

to some extent in other ways they were complimementaryary in different aspects of Egyptian understanding of creation. It's a Egyptian creation myth. Fine. You've never heard of that before. Never Heard of that. That seems strange that you didn't hear about that before. Listen. I've heard of it before. Fine. You can hear about I mean I just found it online. It's a new It's a new age theory. It's new age. Yes. Listen to me. I know. And any Egyptologist who study Egyptology in the states here, you have universities in UCLA and you have Berkeley and you have

uh John Hopkins and you have every there is no every Egyptologist here study languages And archaeology. No one can answer what you are talking about. This is hollessation. I'm sorry this is not true. It's a speculation from people but never in Egypt. We know the prehistory of Egypt. We know the pre-dynastic of Egypt. We know the beginning of civilization. We know every there is no gap in anything that can let some things like that. And this why I never heard of it and I don't want to hear about it. You don't want to hear About

it? No. Why? Because there is no evidence. I am a scientist. I believe on what's written in front of me and I believe of a scene that I can see, but I don't believe on theories like this. Tell me where is this found and where it is and who published it. What is the scientist who published it? What is the estologist who talked about it? I'd like to know. That's why I'm asking you. I never heard of it. Well, I'm shocked that you haven't at least heard of it And dismissed it before I because it's

just a it's I think it's a part of the creation myth. I I know but it's not true. I received many theories every day. My mind Joe now is really cannot stand all these theories. All of it. It's too much for me. It's too much for me. Got it. Um see if you can find anything on that, Jamie. where where that myth came from. I'm working on I think I know. Yeah. Yeah. Is it a bouval thing? What I just found is that it came from a who's bal is not a scientist. No, I'm just

Yeah, I know. Those people when someone came to you with a theory, he has to have a Egyptology background. He has to write an a scientific article. We write all what we discover. We write articles about them for people to read and criticize and give us opinion. But I can go to theories like this that has no basis. What do you base the dates on? Do you Base it on carbon isotope? No, we don't. We base dating on the evidence that we discover. Right. But it is based on carbon, right? Carbon. I don't believe in

carbon date 14 at all. You don't? No. Carbon date never give an accurate dating. And this why I believe you know when you discover something if you discover a cemetery right there is two type of datings one called absolute dating means that in this Cemetery you have a name of a king and a date mean this is absolute but if you discover another cemetery and has no dates then the best thing that we do is to find the artifacts in this cemetery and try to compare it with other dated cemetery and you give a data

for this but you don't believe in carbon dot I don't believe in carbon dot 14 at all and it's not working in Egypt until today I have been excav I'm Excavating also in the well of the kings and I discovered major important things that we can talk about it so if you're going back but I I used I used radar radar in all my excavation and I never had a a result by radar and carbon date 14 I we people use it when there is no date but wait a minute you use radar to to

date things how no I use radar to discover things right but what do you use to date them I dated that I told you two methods of dating Most of the dating that for me now in in luxur is based on evidence Like I discovered the golden city. It's a major big large cemetery, large settlement, a city. And you know this city was chosen the most important discovery in the world of year 2021 because this is the first time that we have a big large city to tell us about the people who made this civilization.

So how do you know how old the city is? Exactly. In the city we Discovered the names everywhere of King Ammon III who was the father of Aknatan. Inside the city we found many statutes of his queen. We found inscriptions about dried meat stored to celebrate the third set festival of Amhub the third. We found nine royal workshops in the city. Then the city tells us about the golden age of that king. It is dated by pottery, by hieroglyphical incription, by many things. But I'm I'm curious as to why You're skeptical about carbon dating because

I think carbonating is generally accepted as being accurate within a certain framework. It is. But I but I never used it and many people very rare to use in Egypt because in Egypt mainly we have absolute chronology. We have absolute dating based on inscriptions. Right. But I thought it was used in Egypt like to to measure wood that was in mortar. to date the great pyramid to 2500 BC. No, that was that was an experiment to date the pyramid I think was about 2009 and it's is not is not working but I didn't see the

result. You haven't seen a result on carbon testing of the mortar of the great pyramid? No, but the mortar you can't one thing the mortar between the stones right this mortar like if you take a piece of stone from the pyramid and you try to take coral 14 this piece of stone could be thousand years in the quarry it cannot Date a pyramid how can you date hold on hold on you don't date stone I'm saying if you date mortar okay how can you how can you say accurately that this mortar is dated to the

same time of building the pyramid. Well, you can't actually that's the the argument is that there is probably repairs done, right? And so of the pyramid. Yes. No. Of great pyramid. There is no evidence of any restoration, no restoration, nothing. Never any accurate evidence That the pyramid was restored in any period of the Egyptian history. There is restoration that goes on even now though on the Sphinx. Correct. I did make 10 years of restoration on the Sphinx. It's me who did the restoration of the Sphinx for 10 years. Why did you decide to do that?

Because the Sphinx when I was when I left uh I was studying in the states. I came to take my doctorate from University of Pennsylvania from 1980. From 80 to 87, some architect and Archaeologist were really stupid. They began to restore the things and they took all the casing stones of the sphinx out and they put modern stones and they used cement. You cannot use cement in the restoration. You can use cement in building a house. Yeah, that's not even restoration. This is a new creation. They came I stopped this restoration. Okay. And few because

the this restoration damage completely the Proportions of the sphinx. It brings to you another sphinx. Right. Ugly. Yeah. Few months later there was a stone was restored in the in the uh shoulder of the swings and it fell down in February. It was raining and always people use the Sphinx for politics. The Sphinx for politics. Yeah. If they want I tell you it happened the first time in the Veronic period. You know the area beside the Sphinx was called the Valley of Gazels. And the princes the of the of the new kingdom used to come

to hunt wild animals in the valley. and come towards the things and this story that I'm telling you is written in a granite stila is called the dream stila located now between the two poles of the sphinx in the stila it say that tomos the fourth was a prince and he came to have a had a to have a nap beside the sphinx and the sphinx came to him in dream and told him my son if you Remove the sand away. I will make you the king of Egypt. Then here he's moved the sand and

he came to a temple. He found a door. What year was this? This is uh one 3,000 years ago. Exactly. So the sphinx was constructed long before that. Before the old kingdom and then it had been covered in sand. Yes. Completely. This is why Hildotus the father of the history when he came to Egypt in the middle of the fifth century BC he never Talked about the things because completely under the sand. Then Mutma the fourth came he took the sand away and he found that the old kingdom casing blocks are falling down. He put

them back and he went to this to the sphinx near a temple nearby. He took this granite steel as a door and he wrote this story in it. But we found there is something politics in that story. He killed his elder brother. Oh, who was supposed to be the king of Egypt and he Wrote this story to tell the Egyptian that the god Horus of the horizon it chose me to be the king of Egypt. Then they will forget the crime that he did. When that stone it fell down in 1988, a big fight happened

between the head of antiquities and the minister of culture. Ended by firing the head of antiquities. It's politics. I see. But I stayed 10 years. When people ask me about the best Thing that I did in my life, I say two things. number one that I restored the sphinx. I brought the proportion of the sphinx back and I restored the oldest pyramid in Egypt, the step pyramid. It was it was falling down. In 14 years, I made major important conservation and restoration. And I tell people, why do we have to fight all the time about

the age of the pyramid? We have to fight or we have to cooperate all of us to restore this Monuments and the most important thing is for me always is conservation and I dedicate most of my life not only to the excavation but to conservation. What do you think the arguments are that predate the that try to push the date back of the construction of the pyramids? I never heard of this. You've never heard of this before? only knew it's a theories from the new age. But I know I saw a debate with you. I

saw a debate with you and Graham Hancock and There was another archaeologist that was but hold on hold on the other arch archaeologist was saying if you're saying that something happened 10,000 years ago where is the evidence of any civilization from 10,000 years ago? Exactly. But then you found Gopeklet. So Gobeclet was buried over 11,000 years ago. That's not true. I never heard about this. What do you mean it's not true? It's not true. What I told you? What? What is not true? We never discovered this at all. Wait a minute. Gobeclet is in Turkey.

Okay. Oh, in Turkey. Listen. Yes. Go tappy is in Turkey. I know. More than 11,000 years old. It's very complex stone structures. Fine. Fine. But this was the evidence. Hold on. This is the evidence in the argument. The argument was there was no evidence of an ancient civilization from 10,000 plus years ago. This is before the discovery of Gobeclete. Gobeci gets discovered known to be more than 11,000 Years ago. That changes everything because now we know. Yes, it does. Now, hold on. Cuz now we know there was an advanced civilization capable of a spectacular construction

11,000 plus years ago. This is what Listen, look at the archaeologist in in in Turkey or in any civilization, okay? They they never talk about old civilization. That's not true. Gobeclete is universally accepted as being more than 11,000 years old. I am talking now about Egypt. I'm not Going. No, I understand. But the argument was that there was never any ancient civilization capable of spectacular construction 10,000 years ago. Now that they showed Gobeclete is more than 11,000 years old, they know for sure that's not true. Okay. But now I'm talking about the pyramids of Egypt.

I have the evidence, the written, we found everything about that. We know the dating. Mhm. I'm And I gave you hundreds of evidence that this pyramid built by Kufu are kept. No, I'm not saying it wasn't. I'm not saying it wasn't. What I'm saying is any civilization older than we know older still in the same spot. Does it go back? We have no evidence. So how does ancient Egypt emerge? Emerge. We have How does it emerge and go from zero to pyramids? Okay. We have Do you have Can you listen to me? Yeah. We have

prehistoric Egypt, right? And we have the old stone age, middle stone age, Neolithic, when the Egyptian began to know about agriculture and they began to live together in communities. There after that we came to the pre-dynastic when a king called Nar in dynasty zero he began to make unification of the upper and lower Egypt until one king called Mina or Haha who united completely and what year was this? This is war was 3,000 BC 5,000 years ago in a place called Aprus they built huge mud brick tombs who huge from mud brick no stones and

this Tombs are created in a site called abidas you know what's really fascinating about this is that 500 years you think about that how different just modern civilization was 500 years ago. 500 years ago, we had almost none of the inventions we have today. We had no internal combustion engine, you know, no hardened steel, none of the things that we have. And now look what we have with electronics. Now imagine what the Egyptians were able to do in 500 years on a different in a different way in construction with stone that their advancements weren't like

our advancements, but their advancements were equally spectacular just in a different way. Okay. Now I come back to the mud brick structure. This is in dynasty one and two. On dynasty 3 came a king called Zer. He had a genius architect. His name is Im Hotep. I am searching. Did you hear about Im Hotep before? Okay. I'm searching for his tomb. Only two weeks ago before I came, I made a major important discovery in Egypt. I found a tomb of a son of a king. Inside incredible statues of Zer and his father and his queens

and his children. Where is this tomb? In the shadow of the step pyram. Ah, in the shadow of Zer. And this really made me Because I have been searching for the tomb of Im Hotep most of my life. But the area that they found this tomb, it was under houses, modern houses. Oh wow. The workmen who work in the site 100 years ago, they built houses in the site, but they never excavated what's underneath the houses. Wow. So modern houses underneath there is an ancient tomb. Six months ago, we gave houses to this people in

another area and we demolished this houses and we found Underneath major discoveries. This discovery will be in today's show this week. Now I am sure now that Im Hotep's tomb is in this area. Wow. Now I come. What What technology can you use to discover like these underground caverns and chambers? All what I do is digging. That's it. That's it. What if these Italian guys are on to something? You can find more stuff. I want you to come to see what I do and What I discover. I want I want to I want to Italians,

too. And what I discover, I can show it to you. Please do. Jamie Zepty, did you find anything about that? about that where the origins of that maybe a book from 1960 and I couldn't figure out how he got there. It's probably a long sludge through information and try to get to the root of it. Yeah. But can we continue how how it happened until you have the Pyramids? Sure. Then I came and he built the same mastaba. Mustaba in Arabic means a bench. He built the construction in mud brick of stone for the first

time and he added more section to the first one and he put above that five mustabas. It's called it the step step pyramid. Pyramid. Yeah. In the pyramid text. That's the first one. In the pyramid text they say that the step pyramid is a stirs that the king is Buried underneath to go to heaven. Ah and this one was how many years before the great pyramid? It's uh almost uh almost uh 700 years. So obviously it's not nearly as sophisticated as the great pyramid. So in 700 years they just got way better at Listen now

on Dest 3 there is another pyramid was found and only I found recently that I did not excavate it completely. I found a pyramid which is The end of dynasty 3 of a king called Hony. Then now we came to his name is Horny. Hony. Hony. Hony. Okay. H U N I. Okay. Then we come to dynasty 4. Sinfro. Okay. Sinfro had a genius architect. He was name was Nefer Mat. Then he started. Sounds like a good name for a genius. Yeah. He started to build a step pyramid like this in a site called Maidum.

But for a reason we do not know, He left it unfinished. And he went to a place called Dashur. He built the pyramid with a huge angle and he changed the angle. It became bent and he built another pyramid. If you look at the other pyramid of the father of Kufu, it exactly equal to the great pyramid. This is the first true pyramid. But people never go to the to look at this pyramid. M people always look at Kufu. Then you have in dynasty 4 the Pyramids were huge because of the quality of the stones.

In dynasty five and six there is no good quality of stones. Then the Egyptian made decrease on the volume of the stones and did increase in the volume of the war reliefs. Timles began to be decorated with scenes for the first time in the Middle Kingdom. Another trend mud brick pyramid but underneath maze corridors of stones that if you go down You will lose your way. Oh, in the new kingdom they built they came in the top of the valley of the kings a shape of the pyramid and they buried all the kings like King

Tat and others underneath the pyramid shape. So that's the story. That's the story. All right. Well, listen, man. It's been fascinating talking to you and I I definitely am going to take you up in Your offer and I'm definitely going to go to Egypt. No, now we'll talk. Now we'll talk. We'll talk to you. Send me that video so we can splice it in of the hieroglyphs that are on the wall. You'll send that, right? I will send it tomorrow. Okay. But give me give the email to Greg and Mustafa. Now we will do that.

And they are the people that will talk to them now to arrange for your trip. Okay. And I will invite you for a a good How many days you think I Should go? 10 days at least. Jamie, you got to come. You want to do a podcast from there? Sure. Just you and me. Let us do one inside the Great Pyramid. Yeah, definitely. 100%. Okay. Will it be echoey though? Oh, here's another problem with the idea that these Italians are proposing. Isn't there a water table under the the pyramid that's like a million years old?

No. There's not water underneath there. No. This is the Ozir shaft that was full of water. So, is that what Mr. Beast was swimming in? Exactly. But it where's that water coming from? It's a a water table. Oh, there is a water table. This this shaft. This shaft. I came I brought a company and we did suck all the water out. Oh. Until I found underneath a sarcophagus and four pillars. Oh wow. And this is the symbolic barrier of the god Ozirus. Because Giza plateau was called in the new kingdom per user nebrastau the house

of Ozirus Lord of Rasttow. Rasttow means Cemetery but literally means the underground tunnels that Ozirus is ruling. Then Herodotus when he came he talked about this water under the pyramid. It is in the shaft and this when beast entered inside and swam in it swaming. Okay. You know, I met him because I wanted to convince the young people that pyramids were not built by aliens. That's why I took him to three. I don't know. I don't understand the alien thing. I I think super advanced Culture, super advanced civilization. And I think the library of Alexandria

burning is probably one of the greatest disasters. Many people in America believe that you believe in aliens. When I talk to them that I'm coming to see you, that I believe in aliens. They do. Well, I'm not opposed to the idea of aliens existing. There's hundreds of billions of galaxies in the known universe, each with hundreds of billions of stars. The idea that we're Uniquely alone. You don't think there's anything out there? Nothing. So, you don't believe in ancient civilizations capable of advanced construction? You don't believe in aliens? You don't believe in carbon dating. I

am a scientist. Oh, if you believe in something, write an article. Then I can read but don't give me a theory. But the theory of planets containing intelligent life is no that's not true. I have been debating Graham Hancoal and John Antonist and I told them from the beginning your theory will go with the wind. Right. But we're not talking about that theory. We're talking about aliens being possible. No way. No aliens. Just us. This is us in the whole universe. If you believe in God us in the whole universe. Only us. If you believe

in God, you will do miracles. The Egyptian, okay, believed in the afterlife and they made this great civilization. I'm not Saying aliens made it. I'm saying it's very possible there's something else out there in the world. Thank you. All right. Thank you. All right. Goodbye, everybody. Enjoyed talking to you. I enjoyed it, too. And I'll see you. All right. Bye, everybody. [Music] [Applause] [Music]