Model agnostic ship fast solve a specific problem when people are making an AI startup they should be looking at cursor and perplexity it's pretty damn impressive where would you put that one s tier that's one of the few that we can totally agree like s tier that's one of our main Goos one of the most useful AI tools available out there right now in my opinion hey welcome back to the next Wave podcast I'm Matt wolf I'm here with Nathan L and today we're going to do a super super comprehensive AI tool breakdown in fact
we're going to do an AI tools tier list where Nathan and I break down kind of all the AI tools that we've used in the past are using right now the most talked about AI tools and we're going to put them on a tier list from s to F and really rank where we would put them and also talk a little bit about how we're using each one and Give a little context as to why we're ranking them that way so you're probably going to listen to this you're probably going to completely disagree with some
of our rankings you're probably going to be frustrated that we excluded some of those tools let us know all that stuff in the comments we want to hear it we want to know where you would rank them we want to know what tools were missing and if you like this episode we'll probably do more like it so let us know That as well but uh without any further Ado let's go ahead and just break down this tool list here so if you're if you're listening to like the audio version of this podcast this might be
one that uh you might appreciate the video version if you actually want to see the tier list we'll we'll do our best to talk about the tool and uh tell you where we're putting it on the tier list but this is sort of a visual episode I'm going to start all the way On the left let's start with um with with grock here so this is the xai logo I don't think grock itself has its own specific logo maybe it does but I just pulled in the xai logo where would you put grock xai yeah
I I mean I I hate to not give like a super high rank because like obviously I'm a fan of Elon Musk and I think I'm one of the few people that I know who thinks that long term that grock is and xai is going to be the main competitor to open AI like I think They're going to be bigger than anthropic is my current opinion which seems to be controversial but right now I would probably put it as as a b it keeps getting better like the the version two is uh a lot better
than most people realize it's not as good as chbt or or Claude but it is nice that you can you can talk to it about pretty much anything you want to it's it is less censored and the the image generation is pretty good the image generation is a Lot more free to make whatever crazy meme you want you know anything so I think grock is like a solid be right now I I think long-term it could be an S yeah I so for me just based on like how often I use grock I'd probably put
it like down in D like that's not me saying it's a bad product yeah but for me it's saying that like all right if I need to go use a chatbot right now to get an answer to something grock isn't going to be my first choice it's not even going To be like my top top three right like CBT Claude perplexity you're probably going to be my top three grock would probably fall number four for me for actually going and using it to ask questions right now one one thing that I've noticed that's kind of
surprised me is I thought it would be a little bit better at getting real time data from X somehow yeah and I don't think they really nailed that yet so that is one thing that kind of sucks is like I've Went there several times like thinking like oh I can ask it some question about an ex user about my own profile or whatever uh for some kind of insights and it kind of is not that great at it so I don't know maybe C maybe agree on c yeah I don't I don't think I'm going
to keep it in D for for myself because I think the like the biggest redeeming factor of grock for me is that it uses the flux 1.1 pro model I think it's flux 1.1 but You know flux has three models right the AI image generator flux it's got flux Snell it's got flux Dev and it's got flux Pro flux Schnell I believe is like the free version that you can use flux Dev is a little bit better model that you can use with like the API and it it it's improved a little bit above the
snow model and then you've got the flux pro model which is actually kind of expensive to use but it creates really really good AI images and grock is Actually using the flux pro model in there so by using grock you actually get access to like one of the better AI image generated models is out there so for me me I think I'd probably solidly put it as a c um just because it's not my main go-to but it's got a great AI image generator in it I do see a lot of memes and stuff on
X that are definitely being generated with Gro oh yeah anytime you see like an image that has like blood or um like an actual like famous Person in it like a lot of the kamla and Donald Trump and Elon Musk memes that you've seen most likely created with flux most likely done inside of grock uh all right so uh next up let's go chat GPT where do you where would you put chat GPT s like put cat GPT as s like I I still uh use chat GPT more than anything else so you're going to
chat GPT more than Claude more than perplexity yes yeah I still am at first some of the yeah I felt like Claude was Getting better in terms of like the projects were better than custom gbts and and it still is slightly but like open AI is already caught up there too where like there's more like you can put multiple files into the into the from gbt and things like that so it's I I I use it daily like for uh translating with my wife I use the uh the voice The Voice daily now so I
use it that way I still have a custom gbt that I use uh that I created for helping me write Threads on X uh I've been using that daily and also I have a thing that I use for tracking my uh the calories I eat and the protein I intake every day for working out yeah I use that every day so like and like I'm sure I could do that stuff in Claud too but I'm just finding like the combination of features that it has it it still has just it's my main go-to so I
for me I it's not my it's not my first goto I'll probably agree and leave it in s tier because I do think That chat GPT is like constantly setting the bar for everything else right like I feel like I probably go to Claude in perplexity a little bit more than I go to chat GPT but you know they've got their 01 model which is the best reasoning logic model that exists right now according to pretty much any sort of Benchmark you look at GPT 40 is kind of leading the pack you know almost anytime
you see a new model come out you know Google Gemini or Claude model or llama model or any model really who do they compare it to they're always like oh it's almost as good as gp4 it's right up there on par with the benchmarks of gp4 so I almost feel like you got to leave it in s tier just for the reasons that it is like said the bar that every other company is trying to get to yeah and you know I mean we're talking specifically about chbt here but like if we were talking about
open the ey as a company Definitely yes because like it sounds like they have more stuff in the works that you know with the the agents I think they're heading agents and like you said with the reasoning model they're definitely ahead there and I might not use that every day but like I am seeing like tweets from like real scientists saying like I'm using this every day now and holy crap if if if 01 is better people are saying they're super pumped about it and it's like one Scientist said that it's already one preview that
a paper he was working on it helped him get it done in two days what normally would have taken him a month and so yeah I would definitely put the M here cool yeah I'm not gonna I'm not going to fight for that one too hard it's not my first go-to but yeah all right so next up is Claude for me I put Claude in s tier because it's probably the one I go to the most I have tons of custom projects that I've built out in Claud you know like I've got a project that
helps me write scripts I've got projects that help me with my notes for making YouTube videos I've got all of these various projects that I've made so when I need to make a script I can literally drag and drop an article in there and it sort of rough drafts a script for me or I can pull in all of the URLs from like a YouTube video that I'm putting in and it creates like a list of resource links for me really Clean and easy that I use in my description so like Claude is probably my
second most used tool behind perplexity though for me that one's s tier and I also really really love the artifacts right like I love that I can have it generate code and then it will actually show me what that code looks like over on the right sidebar that to me is like really really valuable so for me Claud is an S tier yeah I mean I can agree on S tier I guess I if if it was My own tier list I'd probably put it a I'm just I I I've always felt weird about the
fact that it's like basically an employee from open the eye who left and tried to do his own thing and like then he's just and for the first year it was like basically all copies of chbt so like it's like this just a weird feeling there like and it's called Claud I don't I hate the name and also I've noticed recently like it it like people said it was better at Writing I'm just not seeing that lately like I see it's like pretty much the same as chat BT maybe on code it's better you know
it seems to be um I think I think that'll change quickly artifacts definitely give that to them like artifacts is amazing like that's that's that's like the one invention that they've created that's like actually really really cool is artifacts yeah well they also showed off the computer use um recently as well where You can basically give it instructions and it will actually click around on your screen and stuff yeah which no one seems to be using that and my my understanding from like hearing you know from friends is like that basically open AI already had
something like that like a for a while and it's just like I think Clyde tried to beat them to it but then like they're also probably behind there and it's so it's like yeah it's just not useful yet um so what do you think do You think it should stay in s tier or do you think it should bump down to a tier cuz it's constantly playing catchup hey as you might know I'm all about digging into the latest AI tools and sharing my favorite ones with you well I've got another one daresh the co-founder
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too I've noticed is people used to say that you know chat PT was super woke and it was super leftwing and maybe just slightly but I feel like They've gotten a lot better at that like where you can talk to like like I I had it edit a newsletter issue that I put out the other day that had some talk about the the Trump election that just happened Trump winning uh and you know and I understand that's controversial people some people hate Trump but I thought about like a why it's good for AI Claude refus
to edit the newsletter issue right I was like that sucks then I went to chat BT and it not only edit it But I felt like it did it as good of a job as Claude would have or better and so the fact that it's like that you can't that there's certain things it just won't help you with like long term if they keep doing that it's like I don't know how I can rely on it as like my main assistant assistant for my life if that if they do that so to add to what
you're saying and to actually sort of agree with bumping it down to a tier I do use it a lot it is one of my more Favorite tools but here's like another argument for pushing it down to a tier they jumps bumped the price on ha cou right because they said well it's smarter so it should cost more right so they bumped the price on haou and the other thing about Claude like the biggest complaint I hear the most is getting rate limited I don't really hear people talking about how like in chat GPT they
get to a rate limit very often but in Claud everybody seems to hit the Rate limits I don't really find I hit the rate limits very often unless I'm writing code if I'm just like having conversations about like a YouTube script or something like that I never run into rate limits but I do know that's like a big complaint people have is that for whatever reason they run into rate limits a lot with Claude yeah I me I think I mean they they they have to be more cash strapped than opening eye for sure like
no one talks about That but they have to be like like if you're the number two player in a space you're always going to have a way harder time raising Capital true but they also have the backing of Amazon and Google right like Google's a huge investor in Claude and Amazon basically said we're going to use Claude as the future Alexa right so it's like they do have that Amazon backing like Amazon could be to anthropic what Microsoft is to chat GPT you know yeah true true true so we'll See how that plays out but
I think I I think you've talked me into sort of conceding it down to an a all right so next up is Gemini um the thing about Gemini is we have Gemini and we have notebook LM on the list and notebook LM is powered by Gemini so if we're just looking at like Gemini on its own like ignore the fact that notebook LM is powered by Gemini we'll rank that one separately think about like the Gemini chat and like maybe let's include like Google AI search right like the AI overviews that Google does we'll consider
that part of Gemini as well so considering the Gemini chat and considering Google's AI overviews where would you put Gemini F tier you put Gemini in F tier I mean I like you know I feel bad like Logan is gonna hate me for saying that and and and I I I I will concede I have not used it recently I know everyone said it's gotten a lot better And so I should use it again and I just I I feel like I haven't seen a good like no book LM is a great product so like
that's actually the first great product I've seen from Google in a long time I feel like the Gemini release I feel like it's been like a totally botched launch and I I I don't know anyone who personally uses it so that's that's why I put put F see I'm I'm I'm in the boat of like I hate to put any anything in the F tier like um because you know I Actually like a lot of people at Google um I I the thing about Gemini that there are redeeming factors about Gemini right like Gemini's got
the largest context window of any platform right so if you want to upload the entire Lord of the Rings book series or the entire Game of Thrones book series and have discussions about it Gemini is pretty much the only game in town that's going to let you upload that large of a context window so I think that's sort of a redeeming Factor for them as well Gemini I believe also has the ability to sort of read videos now too right so you can put a video in there and it understands what's going on in the
video and can tell you about what it sees inside of that video I don't know if any other models can do that um Gemini also Powers notebook LM which you know we're kind of trying to keep the two separate at the moment but like notebook LM is really really useful so I have a hard time like Throwing it as like a solid F but the only reason I would put it sort of lower on the tier list is for the same reasons you mentioned it's not really one of my go-tos it's not something where I'm
like okay I need to go use AI for this let's go pull up Gemini no I'm usually going to go to Claude Chachi PT or perplexity right yeah um so for me it's just not the top of Mind tool yet that I would go and use when I need ai's help yeah um but it does have things that yeah it's Got great capabilities like if I was ranking it purely on capabilities I might put it A or B and I'm not a huge fan of the AI overviews yet um like you mentioned it like it
kind of didn't know the difference between real news and like memes right like that's why I was telling people to put glue on pizza and eat 10 rocks a day or whatever right like it just it it didn't know that like this wasn't factual information it was just information at found on the Internet right but I think they've improved a lot of that stuff as well but it's gotten to a point now where I don't really use Google or see AI overviews too often because I go to perplexity for that kind of stuff now so
I don't know personally I have a hard time throwing it as an F because it is a capable model it's just not one of the models it's like my go-to I think I'd probably maybe put it at like a c or a d d so let's do dude something has to be lower like Otherwise we're gonna have like all abs and C's that's true that's true yeah and if I'm looking at the two I probably still would go to grock before before Gemini as well yeah I would yeah I'm gonna jump over to llama here
because this is the other language model I don't think any of these other ones down here are Lang well we can do perplexity let's do perplexity next so perplexity for me solid s tier I use it every single day s tier yeah yeah like right now I'm like Chatby and perplexity that's like daily for me and uh and they just you know I mean Aran was one of our first guests who came on like you know I've talked with them personally like he's a great guy and they they ship so fast you know and like
and coming from like Silicon Valley and doing startups I know like how fast you ship things is so important um I would say they're shipping faster than anyone like they're doing better than open AI in that regard they're mod Agnostic right so like you can like um perplexity Powers part of Future tools right and on Future tools uh it it uses the it uses llama with perplexity so it does his search on the web FES information uses llama to sort of like write the summaries and stuff um when I use uh perplexity like on my
desktop not within the API but just like I'm going to use it to look up some information I'm using it with Claude 3.5 Sonet they even added a new feature Where you can use um the gpt1 model or the open AI 01 model and actually have it do more like logical thinking through with what it found in its search results right so like it actually allows you to use like whatever model is your favorite Plus the web search results you know yeah so yeah I think awes that's one of the few that we can totally
agree like s tier that's one of our main go-tos one of the most useful AI tools available out there right now in my opinion that Is interesting so it kind of has replaced not only Google but Wikipedia as well in a way which they probably use Wikipedia as a source but that is interesting yeah yeah yeah and a lot I've done a lot of like research like the other day I was looking for a new like headset with a microphone on it right like headphones with a microphone and I asked it to basically like look
for the most recommended headset microphones by YouTubers and rank them Like top 10 and it went and looked for all of this and it linked me off to the YouTube videos and it ranked them for me and it gave me the source and then and then I went okay cool this is how it ranked them now I'm going to start watching some of these YouTube videos and I started clicking into the videos to see what the people were actually saying about them what the sound quality was like and all that kind of stuff so I
was actually starting to like click into All the resources after it did all the research for me and like man it's just it's it for me it's it's been really really helpful it's probably the most useful AI tool cool let's do um let's do llama next um I'm I'm curious your thoughts because I don't think you probably use llama very often but yeah that's I was about to say I have a hard time ranking I'm GNA like trust your rank a little bit better than mine I've used it one time all so llama like I
Mentioned llama is actually what the AI that powers what's going on at Future tools so all the like descriptions and things like that that are on the website are a combination of perplexity and then llama right because llama is really kind of the cheapest model that you can use right now okay because it's open source right yeah um so like I I think the fact that it's open source you get it's got to have some like brownie points for that right like that that you know gives It some cred because so many of the open
source models that people are using now they they started with llama and then sort of modified them forked them whatever you want to call it and like built their own model but were based on llama originally right so I I think that's like an important factor I would probably put it into like B tier like I I I would use llama probably before I would use Gro for like uh getting a text response just because It is that open source model and it is insanely inexpensive to use as a large language model when I use
my meta Rayband glasses they've got llama built into them so if I I rarely ask my Rayband glasses question but when I do it's answering with llama for me it's gotten to a point where like most of the large language models are like as good as each other for my use cases right like a lot of people that use these large language models that need them for Like the the logic reasons or U more like really indepth scientific complex topics they're probably a little bit more sensitive to which model they use for me if I'm
just like asking questions that's like general knowledge that's out in the world or if I'm trying to get it to help me like write a story or if I'm getting it to try to summarize something for me most of those use cases like all of the models do pretty well at this point and so the fact that we've got an Open- Source version that does what chat GPT and what Claude does and you know what all these other models do pretty decently for most people's use cases that's why I think there's value there right like
most people are using something like Chad PT to help them write their emails better or to cheat on their you know uh social studies homework or you know to uh to do fairly simple things that pretty much all the large language models are are pretty Profession at now and so you know llama's the open source version of that right yeah I mean since I haven't used it much I'm not gonna like argue on it I probably would have put it the same as Gro if it was just my own ranking but since the fact that
you're actually using it and like neither one of us daily use Garage you you use Gro on a daily basis like yeah it should be a b then let's move on now to let's talk about some of these like coding Platforms so we got GitHub co-pilot we got cursor repet AI agent would be another one yes we got repet um there there's another one that people are probably gonna be angry that we put on here I can't remember the name of it is it bolt are you talking about bolt oh is that yeah it is
Bolt isn't it bolt is pretty good I've only tried it for a couple minutes so I don't think we should put it on this tier list because like I haven't played with it enough Myself yeah but it was impressive like I literally told it like I was watching a video earlier today from uh Tiff and Tech who's a YouTuber who does Tech videos and she actually asked it to make me a clone of spotify and it did and I was like like literally that was the prompt go make me a clone of spotify and like
when I was using it I was I asked it to make me like an Evernote type tool where I can sort of save book marks from around the web in it and it made it Pretty quickly like it's not like cursor where it looks like a IDE where you're you know you could see the code and all that kind of stuff it looks like a chatbot you ask it to do something and it just sort of runs through the code and it's like all right here's your app I don't do a lot of code so
I'm gonna have to lean on you a little bit for these code ones yeah and disclaimer I don't code every day like you know i' I've done three Tech startups I've I've Coded on and off most of my life um but uh I you know GitHub copilot originally I loved it's actually how I got involved in in AI or at least more in like the current wave of AI I'd actually been doing some stuff with AI in my previous startup we actually had a computer vision Department um but uh in this current wave that's how
I got interested was like trying out GitHub co-pilot and seeing how amazing it was I was like I was actually going back and like just For fun I was like oh I should like pick up C++ again um and maybe I can make like a cool little game demo like something I was I was doing like a a Zelda kind of game but it was kind of like Dark Souls theme just like messing around and it was it was amazing how fast I was able to like learn C++ again just using GitHub co-pilot I was
like oh cuz I know basic like coding logic and stuff and it was like it was just like helping teach me things so fast but I Haven't used it recently and it seems like less people are using it it feels like maybe they fell behind a little bit uh compared to cursor and other ones so I think I'd probably put it like in a solid I don't know B tier would be you know where i' put it yeah okay yeah I mean I've never used co-pilot like not even once so like I really have any
sort of rebuttal or argument to that so B it is yeah I mean it's mainly really good for like inline suggestions of like oh You're writing you're writing something and this is what I think you're wanting to write and give you a great suggestion you press tab to complete it it's like it's it's like that's how they got started I think they have some other more advanced features but I haven't heard of anyone actually using them so yeah yeah and then we have cursor right and cursor we actually did an episode with Riley Brown where
we used cursor and built a whole app like within the Course of that episode it's pretty damn impressive um where where would you put that one so I mean I would put cursor at s tier because I think it's actually having a major impact on software development like it's it's like there's lots of AI stuff that we talk about where it's like oh it's cool and it has promise in the future I'm I'm hearing from lots of friends in Silicon Valley that like lots of teams are using cursor now and it's The fact of yeah
it can give you the inline suggestions like GitHub co-pilot does um but also it can like look at your entire code BAS and and it can have context of the entire code base it can it can can it's helping people a lot for like debugging issues you know CU like debugging issues is like one of the things when you're in software development it's like the thing where you're like damn why am I doing this job like you feel like the job is Amazing when you're like you're having a concept and you you start you know
putting it together and you get to see a demo of it work but as soon as you start debugging it's just like I hate this job yeah yeah I I'll I'll keep it up there in s tier I agree I you know my my sort of main experience using cursor has been watching Riley go back and forth with us on an episode and within what the course of 45 minutes we went from like we didn't have an idea like we used AI to Come up with the idea on that episode and then by the end
of the episode we had a working app and I was like this is a 45h hour long episode and we have software now like that is blowing my mind yeah something else something else are going to do that's amazing that I haven't heard a lot of people talk about is you can like a lot of times when you're coding you might be working with a certain API or some kind of you know uh some kind of library that you're Using that you don't fully know how to use it and you you end up having to
go back in back to the docs over and over and over like oh let me how do you do this how do you do that you can like just like link to docs and you can like like kind of like upload it to cursor and like you could say here's whatever API and then you can just like add tag that and talking to cursor and it knows all of the docs and then you can just ask it any question and get the answer To how you do that oh yeah it's that's like so much better
than like go like opening up another window and like trying to have to search through like oh how do you do this and like learn it all again uh they even have stuff too for like the command line where it'll help you like doing command line stuff gets really tedious especially if you don't do it every day if you do it every day you learn the command it's not bad but like if you do it like once a month like Me like you kind of forget some stuff the fact that it can just like oh
here's what you're trying to do and here's the command every tool out there has like an API and every API is sort of slightly different from every other API yet somehow when you use cursor it seems to know how to implement the API for the tool you're trying to implement right like if I'm trying to implement the whisper um speech to text feature in an app right it knows how to just use the Open AI API when I was trying to get it to do like um like a wizzywig editor right where I can like
you know make Bon bold and stuff in my in my text it just automatically knew how to pull in the proper apis for that kind of stuff right so that to me is also really really impressive it's like you don't need to go to whatever tool you're trying to integrate with and learn all about how that API works it seems like cursor will go and do that work for you to figure Out how that API works yeah I think this is an example too of like when people are making an AI startup they should be
looking at cursor and perplexity mhm like model agnostic ship fast solve a specific problem yeah then we got repet which I have used repet a little bit but to me repet was more of just like that IDE right it was more of like a replacement for visual studio code for me but it was saving it all to the cloud instead of Saving it all to my computer well well yeah on that side it's like it's like on it's for like deployment right like they're kind of a competitor with like versel and some of these other
startups to help you easily deploy websites but I'm specifically wanting to rank the repet AI agent which is like is a newer thing that they have so I probably put it in like a c tier right now with the potential to be an S tier like I I tried it it's cool I mean at least you go from Like start to finish like you can literally I sat down with my son and he had a ton of fun we basically just sat down we gave it some ideas of what we wanted to build like a
website he he wanted to do something that was uh Minecraft and League of Legends and it was like a it's like a a guide for these two or something you know and it went from beginning to end and and show and shows you the code too and so you can dive in more and see the actual code It's generating as well if you want it takes a long time like a lot of times it was taking like three to 5 minutes to generate the stuff um but it helps you create the entire website and then
deploy it so it's like from beginning to end the quality was not as good as if I wouldn't if I would have just used my own template and then probably use cursor to help me and stuff I probably would have got something better out but you could see longterm where there will Be a class of people who if you have an idea for a startup probably the best way in like a year from now will be to go to something like the repl AI agent and say make me this landing page it's going to make
you a beautiful Landing p page it'll deploy it for you the whole thing will be done in 10 minutes yeah yeah yeah right right that's that that that's going to be probably possible in the next year just sketch something out on a piece of paper like Scribble out like a Rough layout of what you want and then upload that image and say make me a landing page here's a sort of quick template and then it'll make a beautiful version of what you you know you sketched out something that we saw you know back at the
GPT for demo but it's never really panned out to be like what we've seen in the demos yet right okay I'll put it there because I can't argue otherwise um yeah so let's let's let's do like the AI image generators now um Let's start with uh probably the most wellknown with mid Journey where where would you rank mid Journey F tier yeah yeah totally some of our friends are gonna kill me if I do that um God I have a hard time ranking it like there's like part of me that wants to say s and
there's part of me that wants to say a I guess that's kind honestly I'll be honest with you I'm going to struggle with the AI art tools cuz like I actually use them all for Different reasons yeah I mean I used to you know when I first started dab with AI art I used stable diffusion because I could run it locally on my machine and I just thought that was so cool um and then I started using mid journey and I was like oh yeah you get you know it's easier to to create beautiful things
with it I hated that had to use it on Discord it took them forever to get the web version I thought that was so dumb well I would think mid journey I think Mid Journey kind of argued that like they were more of like a research company building up a really good art tool and they didn't they were less concerned about the user experience at that point right they were just concerned with making the best image model they could this is our user experience live with it or go somewhere else we don't really care we're
going to make the best image generator there is and only recently have they started Putting like effort into user experience yeah I'm kind of convinced that the image generation part is going to become a commodity and the user experience is the thing so I think I would put them at a I I think a lot of people would put them in s but I think I'd put them in a just because I would agree with a I think yeah I'm not I'm not using it as much as I used to there's great Alternatives uh I
think they they ship the website in and the new user Experience way too slow which makes me more pessimistic on them long term yeah I think you know if I'm going back to how I was sort of ranking things earlier on and this episode I was kind of ranking on by like how often I would go to that tool opposed to the other tools right um Mid Journey isn't really one that I go to as like one of my top you know two or three anymore maybe it's top three but it's not top two right
top two for me would be Leonardo and stable Diffusion are the two that I use the most um I don't know I would probably put mid Journey as B tier oh really okay yeah but I could probably be convinced otherwise the the thing about mid journey is it's like it's it's the most well-known it's the one that I feel like at least for a long time like chat GPT was setting the bar with AI image generation like everybody was going oh this one's almost mid-journey tier oh have you seen the new version of stable Diffusion
it's almost as good as mid Journey have you seen the new uh idiogram it's almost as good as mid Journey right like so like to me it gained some points as being that one that's sort of been everybody's benchmark of like trying to reach um but I don't really find myself using it as often anymore and I I I think it's just because not because I don't think mid journey is very good it's just because I think some of the other models have Gotten better than mid Journey at this point um yeah people people are
saying that they're going to move into like AI video and that's what's going on and also they're going to move into like you've created some kind of character Persona on Mid journey and that can be consistent AC Ross different things so I guess you can make Like Comics and stuff so so maybe they will maybe they are ahead in that area and we don't know but also recently Sam Alman kind of like had This grin on his face when he was talking about how much better AI art in video is going to get soon so
I have a feeling that behind the scenes too like all the other stuff that open the eye is building is probably going to get them some Edge there too that people are not going to expect just like when we first saw sord it's like holy crap that's amazing they probably have other things that are amazing that have not been revealed yet if I had to guess the other Sort of like negative against mid journey is of the image generators it's probably the most expensive to use as well yeah I keep canceling it then resubscribing I'm
like I end up not using it I'm like it's expensive then I cancel it I'm like I want to use it again I subscribe this happened so many times now yeah yeah so like you know for me because it's on the more expensive end of the AI image generator models I personally don't find myself going to it As much anymore that's why I put it there I feel like flux might have passed it or at least caught up with it as terms of realism right and when it comes to like cartoony like colorful high contrast
like aesthetically pleasing images for me I tend to go to Leonardo a little bit more now I will say that I am an adviser for Leonardo like i s tier of course Leonardo I need to disclaim that that like I do have equity in Leonardo um but I legitimately do go and use it More than I use mid Journey right like I do go and I don't think I'm to put it in s tier um I'll probably put it in a tier just because it's the one that I use the most um wait are we
are we finishing up mid Journey though so let's so so I so I agree with uh I had said s or a but I think you kind of convinced me of B honestly I I think that's like a good spot CU like they were s tier for a while now they're B yeah that makes Sense to me yeah and then you know so I was sort of sort of rolling into Leonardo just because I was like referencing it in comparison to Mid Journey For Me Leonardo is like it still has some of the like issues
you might get with stable diffusion where you get some of the like seven finger hands or like um you know like that bird flying up there looks a little weird why does it have three eyes or whatever like you get some of that weird stuff that you Get with stable diffusion but aesthetically like the Leonardo Phoenix model which is their proprietary model it's not like a one of the stable diffusion models I think they've gotten it's gotten really really good it's like if you look at my YouTube thumbnails the way I make those thumbnails is
I usually generate an image in Leonardo first and then I take that image and then I pull it into stable diffusion that I have locally installed on my computer and I Do a face swap with local with uh stable diffusion so it's like the image was made in Leonardo and then stable diffusion is what I use to sort of mask out my face and then put my real face on the image that was generated so I'm using that one constantly it's what the all the thumbnails are made with but I don't know have you have
you used Leonardo before I I have like twice honestly it's been a while so I definitely haven't tried the Phoenix Model my impression was uh like when I tried it I was like surprised how good it was to be honest with you because I I feel like I hadn't heard much about it except from from you honestly like I heard about it a little bit on X but like I was like nowhere near as much as mid Journey um and when I tried it when I and this is probably a year ago now so it's
probably way better since then um I felt like it was 95% of as good mid as mid journey in terms of quality which Surprised me I was like oh this is pretty close to Mid Journey uh and I liked the interface a lot better like I thought it was I thought it was I thought it was a cooler app to use honestly um I think I just had the mid Journey subscription so I just end up not going back to Leonardo that's honestly like kind of what happened um but when it comes to realism I
think mid Journey still has Leonardo beat you know I think flux and mid Journey are better at realism than Leonardo but when it like do you remember back when like mid Journey was on like version three and they had these like really like vibrant like contrasting colors and every image you looked had like this mid Journey aesthetic that just had like this cool look to it right that's how I feel about the Leonardo Phoenix model is it's like it's got this high contrast HDR sort of like really you know the colors really Pop it's got
like that aesthetic to it which to me is really really pleasing I feel like with mid Journey like each version that's come out of mid Journey they've sort of moved from that like mid Journey aesthetic and now they just kind of look like you know whatever you're prompting like whatever style you're prompting Leonardo to me still has like a style I guess yeah so you so you are using it for your thumbnails on a daily basis is that that's right uh well I Don't put out a new video every single day yeah like every video
I put out yeah I use Leonardo for the thumbnail yeah yeah I'm kind of like I feel like I could see a but also like people are going to freak out about that saying Leonard over mid Journey uh and also since you're an adviser I'm like damn I you should probably put it as a b but um I'll put it as a b just as a precautionary measure you know so here just kind of thinking it through here Right I think mid journey and Leonardo should be kind of on the same level maybe like if
we're ranking them like this way too so like this is a higher B maybe but like they're probably about as good as each other like I would go to Mid Journey if I need something a little bit more realistic I would go to Leonardo if I'm looking for that sort of like a the color is going to pop it's going to make a good thumbnail kind of thing yeah but they're probably on par With each other okay I could see that all right so I put stability AI here uh but this is meant to be
for stable diffusion um stable diffusion itself doesn't really have a logo and everybody kind of like uh Associates stability AI with stable diffusion I mean so for me stable diffusion I'm probably just going to put it right alongside these other ones um CU I use it just as much as I use Leonardo right like that's what I use for like my face SW popping maybe I Put it as a c tier actually just because like I don't use it to generate images like almost ever I use it to do like in painting so I I
generate the image with a mid Journey or a Leonardo or like one of those tools first and then the only thing that I'm using stable diffusion for at this point is to go in mask out my face and then like superimpose my face using AI so I can't I don't know I don't think I can put it on the same level as these other ones but I was Going to say f which is like probably get me killed by like everybody who I mean I feel like they dropped the ball so much um like on
referring to stability AI the company right yeah okay yeah so stable diffusion is like an open source image generation model stability AI has made a handful of the weights that have been made available like sdxl SD 2.0 SD 3.0 like those were made by stability AI but stable diffusion itself was an open Source model that was built before stability AI even existed right which was super like feel like there wasn't a whole lot of transparency around that yeah I'm probably judging the company not the the model itself because like I have a lot of uh
feelings about the company in terms of the you know stat were made to and other things and when SD was it 3.0 came out and everybody was generating the images of people like laying in the grass and it would have Like these mutated people that had like only legs and no head and you know random stuff like that yeah yeah yeah I guess I was also like you early on I was using stable diffusion a lot uh and I just I personally don't use anymore but it sounds like you do I actually have a friend
who has a a company as well and I know he like a he has like a Discord bot or something like that I know he uses it so it sounds like people are using it so probably yeah it's probably not F yeah Well I guess if we're looking at that as a whole right like most of the models that people are going to use for stable diffusion today are the models that were generated by stability AI so I guess like you can kind of lump it in you know well just as we've been talking about
this I've I've already knocked it down two tiers okay okay yeah yeah D seem I think D seems good like it's going to be controversial some people are going to say it should be like an a I don't think Anyone's gonna say s well again my my Logic on it is like how often do I find myself going to it when I need to generate stuff and I do use it often but I don't use it to generate the images like the only value I'm getting from stable diffusion right now is that face swapping feature
so D let's leave it at D we have to have something that's lower I mean like yeah but looking at what's left what would go lower yeah yeah that's true that's true We may not get anything at F like we just like yeah we don't want to burn any Bridges with any companies completely so it's like hard to throw anything below a d St stability AI the company F all right but stable diffusion itself let's leave it in D um because it it is open source you can literally generate anything um if you're running into
like roadblocks with sensor ship or whatever with any of the other AI Models All Right so this next one here this is playground AI quite honestly I haven't used it a ton but I did use it recently they've sort of rebranded a little bit to being like the AI generation tool for like graphic designers right like they've they've made it really good at creating almost like vector style art like it's not actually generating vectors but it's generating like vector style art like logo type stuff and stuff that would be good on like t-shirts and Mugs
and stuff like that it seems like they've kind of gone more that direction and sort of niched into it right like you've got like scenario. G right they've really really like leaned into like game assets where playground they've really seemed to lean into like where what you go to if you want to create logos or graphics for like your you know your company assets and icons and things like that and for that use case it seems pretty dang good But I haven't used it a ton like that was me playing around with it for like
30 minutes or so having a hard time ranking this one for like multiple reasons like I I haven't tried it recently I tried it before haven't tried it recently next time we do this I probably should try everything before we list um and you know the founder uh suel I have a lot of mutual friends with him in Silicon Valley he created mix penel back in the day which was like was was For a while considered like the coolest Analytics tool like instead of using Google analytics you use mix panel if you wanted more details
and stuff that matter to you so so you know he's he's he's definitely a great founder but uh when I did try it like it the uh the user experience and interface was like really good it was like that and that and uh um Leonardo were like two of the ones I thought were pretty cool I mean just kind of going back on my sort of uh Fall back like logic with how I've ranked everything else I don't really go to that one very often I mean okay I use stable diffusion more than I use
playground yeah but I also think that they should probably still rank above stable diffusion because as far as like people listening to this episode it's a lot more user friendly than stable diffusion like you're probably more likely to go like unless you're using it for a very Niche use Case like I am with stable diffusion where I'm going and face swapping for YouTube thumbnails you're probably not going to use stable diffusion right you're probably going to prefer something like playground which has stable diffusion models built into it so you can just select the model and
get playground to generate the image with stable diffusion for you right also it's similar to like the AI version uh or the art AI art version of like a perplexity Or a cursor where you can go into playground you can use playground model V3 but you can also choose Dolly 3 or you can also choose stable diffusion uh s sdxl or SD 3.5 like you could go and pick whatever model you want to use or you can use their own like proprietary built-in model so I think like that gives it more value than stable diffusion
right off the bat because it does what stable diffusion does plus you know yeah and anyone could listen to This and just go instantly try it get the gist of it in like a few minutes but as far as like the images that it generates I don't think I'd put them on the same level as Leonardo is in mid journey I like I don't think it's up to par with those quite like it's close but it's not quite as good as those like with the quality of image yeah the last time I saw images from
it it seemed like kind of closer to like stable diffusion level yeah yeah And then we've got um just moving on we've got Adobe Firefly this might be my first e tier here's my problem with Adobe Firefly out of all the image generation models it is the absolute hands down most censored right like I tried to get it to generate an image of the Eiffel Tower and it said no we can't generate that for you and I went and looked it up and apparently images of the iel tower are technically trademarked or Copyrighted or something
like that like it wouldn't an image of the Eiffel Tower when I get it to generate images of actual people it's not great like the realism isn't quite there when it comes to like Aesthetics and generating images that like I just think are aesthetically pleasing with like the color palette and the contrast and stuff like that never very impressed like every time I've gone to Adobe Firefly to go try it to see if Like okay has this one gotten better than it used to be it doesn't really like the UI has gotten a lot better
like it it the UI I I have no beef with the UI I think it's a decent UI I just really really don't like the images it generates and it is so insanely sensored that like I'm always sitting here banging on my desk I was so frustrated that some of the images it wouldn't generate yeah I so so I I only saw examples of it then I haven't I haven't Tried I I used generative Phil and some of the other uh Photoshop features they rolled out which are pretty cool um but yeah it sounds pretty
bad like I didn't see any examples it looked great either like on on TW on Twitter or anything like there was nothing like oh that's awesome and and and and to think about like Photoshop for it's a creative tool it's like how can you put such a restriction on a tool that creators use on a daily Basis it just there's no logic there for that because like you know maybe they're maybe they're doing it for legal reasons but like it's like saying that you've got a hammer and you can't use a hammer certain way it's
like well that's I why would I buy that hammer like you know well you know it's it's uh like you can use Photoshop to to draw anything right like so well bringing up some some points here that I actually want to touch on like Adobe claims to be like The only AI like ethical image model right because they've only trained on like images that are inside of adobe stock and like public domain photos right so they claim that like you're not generating on a Model that was trained on like everybody else's artwork because they had
the license to use all of the images in their training data so the people that are really concerned about the like the ethics of how the models were trained would probably go to Adobe Over the others because of that sort of like ethical you know piece that they put on there also you you mentioned that Firefly in Photoshop that has actually been useful like I I kind of forgot about the fact that it's actually using Firefly when you're using Photoshop and I do every once in a while use Firefly to like fix stuff right like
I'll generate an image with Leonardo or mid Journey or something like that and they'll be like a weird artifact in it And I'll pull it into uh Photoshop Circle that little weird artifact click the generate generative fill button and it'll like remove that for me right and it works at that really really well but even saying that the censorship is so bizarre sometimes like I I honestly think this should be our first F tier because like a creative tool that doesn't allow you to create things you want to create and also I haven't seen anyone
sharing good examples of using it I haven't heard of anyone actually using it everybody uses it in generative fill though like if you're using Photoshop generative fill that's where you're most likely going to use it right and that's where I find myself using it from time to time but even there like I've had times where like it would be my face in an image and I would Circle my eyes and say like put sunglasses on me and it would say like oh our guidelines don't allow that like sometimes the guidelines Just present false positives or
false negatives or you know whatever direction that should go it it it thinks you're trying to generate something that you're not actually trying to generate right and sometimes it's just like really weird like that or like like I've had issues where like I had like a six fingers on one of the hands that it generated right and I'll like Circle one of the fingers and it'll be like oh sorry this is against our Guidelines we can't we can't change this image because it obviously thinks the finger is like you know a different appendage or something
and so like you run into that kind of issue with it but I have a hard time putting in F tier because I do find it useful but we should treat it as like a standalone versus the generative feel like we if we had generative feel maybe we're talking like a b tier or something like that feature in Photoshop yeah but for like a Standalone image generator I think we have to I think we have to judge it that way to get like an accurate judgment on it and I I do think that would be
an F yeah you know and another negative for Adobe too is like their pricing model has always felt a little predatory right like where they do the whole thing where it's like it's this much per month but you have to agree to a year-long contract to get it at this much per month and then people Don't use the tool anymore and they can't get out of their it's just that to me feels very icky and I've always hated about Adobe I yeah I've there's been once or twice where like unintentionally I end up paying them
like 500 bucks or something yeah it's like that sucks all right so next up is magnific I haven't actually used magnific to generate images but I've used their upscaler quite a bit and I think it's pretty cool but I think the big complaint about Magnific is the cost right A lot of people say it's like for an upscaler it's like kind of pricey for for that but what are your thoughts on it yeah I got free credit should that's my problem as well is they they they did give me some credits so I could play
around with it but like whenever I've talked about it on a YouTube video or something like that people are always like magnific prices is crazy you know right I I I haven't Used it recently so I'm have a hard time giving it like a really high ranking uh but when I used it it it seemed great like like upscaling was always one of the issues like You' use different AI art tools and then then like there was it was crazy that there was no good upscaler it's like why is it how is this still issue
and then the fact that and and then it was kind of cool how it would actually make them look better like some stuff you put in there would All of a sudden look look nicer which sometimes that was bad too because sometimes it would actually change the essence of the image as well so I had a hard time kind of like playing with the tweaks on that and stuff like how do you get that right it upscales but it also hallucinates like it hallucinates on purpose right like it will add extra stuff that wasn't in
the original image um but it creates this like cool effect like I've always thought it looked Really cool like we've we've seen those things that circle on on Twitter and stuff it's like Laura Croft from like the original Tomb Raider game and somebody upscaled it with magnific and then it looks like a like you know a AAA game Graphics I wouldn't say it looks like ultra realistic but it looks like modernday game graphics with the upscale done to it like some of that kind of stuff is really really cool but to me it falls into
the category of like novelty Like I don't use it a ton yeah I thought you were going to say like the the new L craftt and it changeed it to more like the original L craftt but I won't well I'm sure you can go that direction if you want as well but um uh yeah I don't know I'm I'm feeling like like probably um geez where would we put it should we put it like C or B or I'm going B or C I'm probably leaning more towards C because if I'm looking at like the
value of the tools in B I don't Think i' put magnificant like the same level of value of these tools and it's have to like disclose we probably both have Ted to what's his name jav is that is that yeah yeah ja yeah um we I've talked to him several times on Twitter nice guy I was kind of shocked that he built this cuz like I just knew him was like this guy on Twitter and it was like awesome that he built this amazing startup so like props to him but he's already got sold to
free pick right so Now it's owned by free piic which free piic is an AI image generator that also has magnific built into it yeah so we can talk more crap about it since he's already sold it no so so I would say C because it's expensive and and and just longterm I don't see I don't see the value long term just because it seems like you know and I I think I may have even said this to them yeah yeah you should sell it like if you can because like it it took off like
Crazy fast and it's like like long term how does that become its own company or own product like it's an upscaler like a cool upscaler like yeah that that should be part of mid Journey or Leonardo there is one tool that we're missing um because if we're talking about AI uh AI art art we got to have Luma in here as well I mean sorry AI video These are AI video tools right here so we've kind of Covered the AI art now we're sort of shifting into AI video here we've got Runway Pika cling and
um Luma CU lum's got dream machine and dream machine was pretty damn groundbreaking when when they showed it off but let's start with like let's start with runway for me runway for me Runway is an S tier and my reasoning for that is like Runway just ships man like in the last couple of weeks we saw Runway ship act one which was like the sort of lip sync you can And it it follows the emotions of a character so I can make a video where I'm talking and I'm moving my eyes around and it I
every time I blink the animation on the video blinks it does all that and then they released um the the multiple camera angles where you can make a video from like any angle of an image that you upload in there and they um and that's really cool and then they've got like frame interpolation for like images where you can take one image And another image and have it like frame interpolate between them and do this like morphing effect and they've got the ability to go and like remove the background of any video and turn it
into like a green screen video and like to me when it comes to AI video like every week runway's got some sort of cool new feature they just they just ship and they ship and they ship and the generated videos that come out of Runway are really impressive to me when I'm Going to generate a an AI generated video I'm either using Runway or Luma most of the time and for me I'd put it in s tier yeah I get the S tier I just don't think it's on the same level as those other three
companies uh in terms of like actual value that can be you know created with it uh like as of right now that makes sense and I'm biased because I do a lot with video right so like I'm playing with video tools a lot I'm sure a lot of people that listen or Watch this you know this uh podcast don't do AI video as much as I do but when it comes to the AI video platforms that are out there to me me Runway always seems to be like one step ahead again we don't know where
open AI is with video like they haven't released it to the public um you know we talked to Don Allen Stevenson I thir on our podcast who is somebody who actually got to use Sora and basically he was like I can't give you more details but it's Better than you think right so it's like yeah so like there's good stuff coming out of open AI in that video front at some point but yeah as far as tools we actually have access to and can play with right now I think way sort of leading the pack
with AI video at the moment so I think a makes sense all right so next up you got Pika there's no way I'm putting Pika in the same like Realm as Runway um PA generates AI generated videos as well the videos are Not great like I don't really feel like they've got great realism but their new sort of thing is like you know you've seen the videos where like there's a giant like compressor that compresses somebody or uh like that is it kind of thing where a knife comes in and like slices whatever you're looking
at it makes it look like it's cake or like they got that like balloon feature where it'll blow up really big and then like Flo away and it's got like all those Kind of like gimmicky like uh like effects that you can put on videos and that's kind of fun to play with there's not a whole lot of use out of it out of like outside of like memes but kind of fun yeah yeah when they first came out I got I got like a demo I'm not sure if you did but like a few
like AI influencers got a demo for other people and it was at that at that moment like at like for whatever reason like cartoon kind of characters it seemed pretty good It seemed like better than some of the other models for like that kind of art that kind of style but then it seems like there's been so many other things there been all these models from China cing and others that are like probably better looking for that kind of stuff the special effects look cool like maybe that's what they'll keep doing maybe they'll be like
the special effects viral memes kind of company but it seems like that's expensive like are people Going to really pay for that like you know um that's where I run into like a little bit of struggle with like ranking some of this stuff is it's like I think it's really cool and it's fun to play with but I don't know if I see the real world use case where like if you're paying for it you're going to get Roi on it you know what I mean yeah it does seem like that kind of puts it
in like the C though I think I agree with C I think I Think it's kind of like a novelty and you know like realistically most tools should fall under a sea right like that's should be like our average if it's like a bell curve right so yeah it's cool it's it's cool it's h it's fun to use uh it's not the best one out there but it's it's not bad I I am skeptical about the the company Long Term just because I don't know how they build a business around that because like with a
Runway I can see it like if You if you get baked into Hollywood and stuff obviously like like I like like I've told you I dealt with Hollywood a little bit like they spend so much money on special effects like some of these films it's like $100 million on special effects it's like well if you could cut that down to a million dollars or what ever you know that's that's huge um and Runway was founded by like legit like AI Pioneers like one of the founders I don't remember exactly like names here But like one
of the founders of Runway was one of the original developers of stable diffusion yeah yeah so I I think C makes sense and then you've got cling which I haven't really used that much it's one of the few AI video tools that I personally haven't played with a ton I've played with it a little bit uh I have noticed like you know I used to do those AI video threads and I have noticed it it seems like right now though most of the videos people are Putting out on X a lot of them are cling
actually yeah um so it seems like in terms of visual quality they are in the realm of Runway is what it seems like it seems like they're in the realm of Runway um but with like the editing tools not being as good as Runway so like a b tier it seems like a b because it seems like they're putting out better videos than uh than Pika well it also seems to me like is a lot more uncensored right like like if you went To Runway and said generate a video of Will Smith eating spaghetti right
like the very classic meme that's been going around for years now it'll say we can't do that because we're not going to make videos of Will Smith I believe cing will I think cing is like will make whatever from China they'll do whatever you want yeah uh and that is one thing I've seen people kind of talk about online recently like like why is and there's another there's one or two other Chinese Models too we probably should be listing them but they're also pretty good in AI video and it's like why they so why are
they AI or something I don't know how to pronounce that one exactly that yeah that's why it's just so hard to say that like I couldn't be a to say it uh but those are all pretty good like those are all probably better than Pika right now or or in the ballpark of it um you know P's got the cool special effects but like they're in the ballpark of being You know somewhere in between Runway and Pika which is pretty impressive they may end up being like having some of the best models out there long
term yeah I agree I think I think B is the right place for them I think I think they live a little bit above Pika but not quite Runway level um yeah so then you've got Luma and Luma has their dream machine which is probably about on par with what Runway does as far as like the video generation not nearly as many features As Runway has but Luma what the the cool thing about Luma dream machine that I really like is that you can give it two images you can give it a starting frame and
an ending frame and then it figures out how to make a video that goes between those two frames so for example if I put an image of myself as the starting image and an image of like a wolf howling at the moon as like the other image and I want it to like animate as me morphing into a wolf Howling at the moon it can do that and like that's where I feel like Luma really stands out is the start frame end frame create an animation between the two frames feature I really really think that
feature is cool um it doesn't put it on par with Runway but I think it puts it a step ahead of Pika Maybe yeah probably a b then yeah I played with it one time I liked it better than well other thing about Luma is Luma was really one of the companies that led the Way with um Nerfs and gajin splatting and stuff like that right like if you have the Luma app on your phone you can go like take an object in your room and like scan it in with your phone and create a
3D version with the Luma app so not only does it have a video generator it also can scan in Real World objects and convert them into Nerfs and gazan Splats and stuff like that which I know is getting really technical in the weeds but if you're really into like creating 3D assets and stuff Luma is also capable of that right yeah I think I think B makes sense because it seems like in a way they're gonna be competing probably directly with P then too like on special effects and things like that and it seems like
they're probably already ahead of them yeah yeah um all right so next we got descript and I know you haven't really played with this one so I'll just talk about this real quick um but descript is a tool where you can Upload any audio or any video file it will automatically use AI to transcribe that whole file and then you can edit the audio or video file by editing the text right so if there's like a sentence that I want to remove from an audio or a sentence that I want to remove from a video
I just delete that sentence in the transcript and it automatically edits the audio file or the video file to you know make that edit for me and I found it really handy for um I use it as like My main transcription tool so like whenever I release a short form video on YouTube shorts or Instagram reals or a place like that I always record the video pull it into descript get the transcription and then use that transcription for the subtitles on the video there might be better ways to do it in fact I'm I'm sure
there are better ways to do it but for me it's just like it's become a really really simple way to transcribe every video that I make And then make captions on that video um and it it uses AI to do that all is it like something that's life-changing I don't know I think it's really really helpful if you make a a lot of video or audio content um but I'd probably put it like middle of the pack you you you you can edit the video with it as well or no okay but you just don't
use that feature I don't use that feature no no I I mean because I have editors that I hire like yeah and I use I use a tool called time bolt which isn't technically an AI tool to do like a lot of the um like cutting out the gaps in the audio but descript will do that as well uh to cut out us and ums I also use time bolt for that but script will do that as well I use descript a lot for just like getting transcriptions another thing descript was like even before 11
Labs came out the script was the first tool that I ever saw that can clone your voice so like if you had a Podcast and you misspoke during the podcast and you wanted to go and change like one sentence it actually you can trade it on your voice go and type in the new sentence you wanted it to say and it would replace the original sentence in the audio version of that with you saying it now 11 Labs does it so much better uh the descript version is still fairly mechanical AI sounding when you do
it but it was the first tool I ever remember seeing that had like Voice cloning built into it yeah it's uh I guess I can't argue with it I guess see um it like the editing sounds way more interesting to me like the transcript thing seems like that'll just be like so like you'll be do with like anything in the future like I can imagine even YouTube will probably just have all that well YouTube does have transcription built in too but it's like got to upload the video first and I need the transcription before the
video is Uploaded you know right got it but yeah I mean I think I think like transcription is going to be very commone tized you know like you've got the whisper API from open AI it's really cheap to use so it's really easy for tools to just build in transcription um but it's somewhat useful for you today so like C makes it's somewhat useful for me today but I also think like if I was if I didn't already have like workflows in place and systems in place for Creating and editing my videos I would probably
use the script a lot more for EDI the videos it's just like I haven't really wanted to change the workflows that I have so I think anybody that's trying to get into podcasting and they're going to edit their own stuff or anybody that's trying to get into like creating video content and they want to edit their own stuff I really think the script is worthwhile for like speeding up the editing process as well all right We got three more now we're getting into like the Audio Apps yeah so we got suo first I loveo like
stun is so much fun to me yeah I can't put here though it's it's it's too much of a novelty yeah yeah I love it I've only used it twice I think you I think you used it more than me right I've I've I've made hundreds of songs with it oh that's awesome yeah yeah and you like you play music or used to right so that makes sense yeah yeah I'm a musician um I I'll use songs that I make Ino instead of YouTube videos like if you want background music and you don't want to
worry about copyright you can makeo make you a song without any lyrics and use that as your background music so you can say I need some like Tom emotional music for this part of the video and then I need upbeat exciting music for this part of the video and you can tell it to not generate lyrics and it will generate like a sound bed for you for your videos I've also made like montages where I have like a whole bunch of clips from an event that I went to and then I actually typed in the
lyrics that I wanted like oh now I'm looking at um you know now I'm looking at the insta 360 cameras on the wall over here those are pretty cool look over here it's a really cool futuristic car and look at that it's a flying car and like I would put all these like random things that I was like basically what I'm seeing in the video I Would put that as the song lyrics make a song and then make the montage video like sync up to the song where the lyrics of the song are actually what
I was looking at in the video and you can do like really fun stuff like that that makes for really engaging videos so it it's fun and I use it and most of the time I'm using it I'm using it just to screw around and just like play with it it's so much fun I I used it to uh make a song uh to my wife when she was my Fiance she and it was just like like a love song to her and like I even like I wrote down like our like story of like
meeting in Kyoto and stuff and it made this awesome song you know uh so it seems like it's like it's amazing technology it's uh it is a novelty It's Kind like it's just kind of fun to use but you do get some real use out of it so it seems like that's probably like what A or B something like that yeah i' I'd probably have to put it in a b just Like going back to like how often I use it for like actionable practical use cases yeah not very often I'm using it for fun
and screwing around more often than anything um would I put it on the same par with Claude that would be tough right if we're saying claud's an a like I don't think I can putso at the same sense as Claud all right and then you got 11 Labs so anybody who doesn't know what 11 Labs is it's a voice cloning tool you can Train it on your own voice you can train it on anybody's voice you type in words and it will speak out in a very realistic tone it's pretty valuable and they keep on
adding like features right like they've got the 11 Labs reader now where you can load in blog posts or PDFs and it will like read it in your voice or it'll read it in whatever voice you choose and so you could go out for a walk and turn like a PDF or a news article or something like that into Almost like a podcast that you listen to but it sounds like a real human and not like an AI robot talking to you so that's you know that's useful it also creates sound effects now too so
you can say like I need a clang sound effect or I need like a uh a dog barking sound effect or a car crash sound effect or whatever right and it will create that sound effect for you so it'll create talking audio it'll create sound effect audio it can be used to like make audio From from text files it like there's a lot that you can do with it were they the ones too who created the whole Persona thing or was that was that sunno I feel like there was one where that you can like
create like a personality now and like you kind of like save that personality just created the person feure okay I was getting confused okay that's great with 11 Labs you could train your own voice into it and then they even have a marketplace where you Can sell access to your voice if you want in fact Matt vid Pro he actually put his voice in The Marketplace and then started seeing ads online with his own voice promoting a product and he's like I should take my voice off the marketplace right it's probably worth more money than
that too like long term but yeah especially if it's like promoting the wrong thing right it's like here these pills that help you uh you know I'm matf Pro here's why you Should buy bluechew yeah [Laughter] Rhino pills or whatever here's my gut feeling and we can debate it a little bit for me 11 lives is a tier I was going to say a is what I was going to say because like it's actually being used by people like there there's there's there's people in certain industries that are actually using it right now yes like
a lot a lot like people are using it for doing Voiceovers on like sales videos people are using it for uh the faceless channels like it it's really really popular among like the face faceless you YouTubers right that just put out content um you can create voices that never existed before you could say I want it to sound like a you know an 80-year-old Grandpa who um you know stepped on a tack or whatever like like random prompt do we want to reorder these at all like do we want to say like Oh it should
be aead of Runway because people are actually using it or does that not matter do we don't don't worry um yeah maybe maybe it does go ahead of Runway and and also when it comes to like voice AI so I actually interviewed one of the founders of 11 labs for like an Nvidia panel that we did a while ago and when it comes to like the The Voice the speech AI like 11 Labs is leading the way right like there's a lot of other companies out there that are like Voice clone like AI voice tools
but like 11 lives is the chat GPT of voice tools right it's the one that everybody's trying to catch up with it's the one that everybody says we're almost as good as 11 Labs right like they're they're it like they're they're they're the everybody's they're the they set the bar right right I mean the fact that so many people are using it in faceless channels that's like awesome that's like an AI tool that's actually being use that Changed an industry right so definitely mix it a and then the last one I'm not sure if this
is the proper icon or not but it'll have to do the trick for this one is a notebook LM which as we talked about at the beginning of this uses Gemini underneath but we're more specifically talking about like the feature where you can upload a whole bunch of documents or YouTube transcripts or links to articles and then you can ask the questions and like Actually have a chat with all those documents and it will also create like an audio narrated podcast where it actually sounds like Two Hosts talking back and forth about the topic which
I think is really cool as well I have mixed feelings so like I know this one's gonna be tough I think I I I I think it's an awesome technology it's it's it's a great product um I can see so much potential for it especially like in like learning and things like that like You you want to learn a subject you can make a little podcast and you can listen to it that's awesome uh it's entertaining my my son was like I don't think I've ever seen him laugh as much as like when we created
a podcast talking about oh by the way uh the the Earth has just been invaded and like you know one of you is actually probably an alien my son just like thought this was so hilarious listening to them kind of talk that out like by the way maybe it's You you know kind of thing or like this is weird um I'm just really skeptical about Google's ability to make it mainstream or like Pro to least new products in general and have them become popular I'm I'm I'm skeptical of that cuz I haven't haven't seen it
so I don't I don't know I have a it's probably a or b though I guess some something like that yeah it's one of the most amazing like things I've seen in the last in the last six months definitely I think it's The most impressive thing that has come out of like Google in a while right like yeah like gemin always felt like it was playing catchup with chat GPT right um it has the bigger context window but other than that it kind of felt like it's been playing catchup but then when notebook LM came
out it was like using Gemini underneath and everybody went this is like this is this is a cool use case this is a really really cool way to like consume information and I'm I'm Using it quite a bit right like I'll pull in a whole bunch of like news articles to try to understand what's going on with something and have them explain it to me saying that I do know it has some issues like it will get confused about things sometimes where if you give it like two different news articles it will say like I'm
having a hard time thinking of an example but it will like say something happened in one of the news articles that didn't Actually happen because it got confused with the wording between the two news articles so sometimes I know it can get confused and the speakers on the podcast actually give the wrong information because of its confusion between all the documents you uploaded um yeah I I do I do Wonder there was some recent uh research I I think it came from what's his name that guy Ethan the professor Wharton I think he shared it
on X I think he shared it showing that the more That there's new data out showing that the more restricted a model is like the more restrictions they put on it in terms of being more censored and things like that the less intelligent the model is uh because you had all these different layers of complexity there that just makes it less intelligent so I do wonder if that's like one of the problems they're having like Google's having behind the scenes and General from like just because of the the Culture of Google or whatever is that
it's all more restricted so it just it's end up being less intelligent even though it's got great technology and a huge context window and all that and I do Wonder like it it feels like you know the last great product that Google released that I can think of is like Gmail right uh and then you got Google Google analytics which they killed basically yeah yeah are are you talking about like products that Google built because I mean they've acquired some good companies oh YouTube yeah of course they acquired yeah I mean YouTube You've Got Google
you know the whole Google Drive Google Docs Google Sheets all that like whole Suite of tools I use those constantly man gim Andi just feels like Google Plus to me and so like I just feel like you know where they just copied another company and notebook LM is not that it's like it's Unique so I I want to like give a Decent ranking I just feel like they it's not there yet like it's like has so much potential and they've shown the potential and I'm not sure they're I'm not sure they're going to be the
one to actually capture the value for from that potential yeah um I also ran into some issues when I was trying to create some content like they just added a new feature that I was really excited about where you can give some additional context and sort of steer the Conversation right like there's a new like customize button and I pressed the customize button and I said hey you're a podcast called I don't remember what I called it but you know you're a podcast called the next wave um when when your episode starts say hey welcome
to the next wave and then move into the rest of the conversation right that wasn't what I was calling calling it that's just for example purposes and it ignored my instructions completely right I also Gave it instructions one time where I gave it like transcripts from like three different videos um that were interviews with Casey neistat right and I said um in the custom instructions pull out what Casey neistat does different than other YouTubers and make a podcast about what makes him different and um you know so much more successful than so many other YouTubers
totally ignored my instructions and just like talked about Casey without spefic specifically honing In on the things I asked it to hone in on I almost felt like the customize button that they put into notebook LM is pointless like right now like for me I couldn't get it to work it like it didn't follow my extra instructions so that was interesting to me as well um yeah it does make me wonder that that's like like a possibly a bad product decision so that and again that's like my criticism of Google in general so like maybe
this is like some great Research that turn turned into like a really simple product but can they take it to anything beyond that yeah well it was originally project Tailwind right and project Tailwind was designed to like uh allow you to chat with all of your documents that you put inside of like a specific folder inside of Google drive or whatever right and that's what this came in became um that's what this became the podcast thing was I think just like an extra fun little like Novelty feature that they're like oh this is kind of
cool let's put that on top of it and it turned out to be the feature that people like the most from it um and so I think that's kind of how that played out yeah so in terms of like it's like one of the most impressive things I've seen in the last six months there was like part of me that wanted to put it like as a but I do feel like maybe it's B or C just because of I just don't know what they're going to do with It like I don't know if it'll
actually become a big thing or not like it it feels like maybe it's already like it's got that novelty it's been cool like especially some of the videos where like they were surprised where people told it like oh you are AI by the way and and it freaked out about it like that was an amazing viral clip but what they do with it beyond that I'm not sure like I'm not sure if they'll actually improve it make it a big yeah I'm leaning towards B I Think um I have a hard time putting it an
a tier like it's not on the same level as Claude 11 lives and runway for me c them's too mean because it is a pretty cool yeah like I'm definitely using it more than grock or repet or you know any of the tools that we've got down there so I don't know B feels right to me um yeah B with a potential for S so like if if they actually like make it better and like do a good job with the product they should like now it's kind Of hidden on the side it's like so
hard to even find like they need to like launch it as like a standalone product and like really nail some kind of use case maybe education or something like this like you got a knowledge base at your company now make some stuff that explain stuff about your company to people something they need to nail some kind of use case and launch a product here's what I can see and I'm just sort of shooting from the hip here but like a Combination of what perplexity does and what notebook LM does but like in like a conversational
format right like let's say I want to go for a walk with my dog or something it what would be really cool is to open up a tool that's like this notebook LM perplexity hybrid and just say hey today I want to learn about quantum physics give me a podcast about quantum physics it goes and does the like sort of perplexity thing of hunting down all the Articles and information You need and then pulls them into the notebook LM side of things and turns it into that podcast so now all I'm doing is giving it
an audio command of like here's what I want to learn about and then it gives me a whole podcast after doing the research for me like that seems like it should exist but that's why I perplex with these s tier cuz they're more likely to do that than Google is I agree I agree and you know all right so this this is like that's That's all the tools we came up with I know there's tools that were missing I know like there's probably a lot of people that disagree like I'm I'm actually looking forward to
seeing the comments on this episode because I want to see people go I can't believe you put that in D tier or whatever I think that's going to be really fun to to see and and debate but at the end of the day I think every single tool that we put on this list has the potential to jump to S Tier at some point also has the potential to fall to F tier at some point I think you know like this isn't anything personal about the companies like I actually for the most part like all
of these companies and have messed with the tools and think what they're doing is really really cool so there's like you know I'm I'm trying to save face here a little bit and be like hey don't hate us for putting you in this tier but you know I do think all of These tools have the ability to like move up and down this is sort of more of a ranking of like how useful they are to us in our lives which is obviously very subjective right now um so you know just want to kind of
disclaim that before we wrap this one up but uh I don't know this was kind of fun I think this is going to be our longest episode we've ever put out but it was like really fun to sort of like riff and talk about all these tools yeah it was more fun than I Expected I think if if people like it I think we should like go into like different categories because obviously with the AI video there was like two other companies we could have listed and like with AI there was one or two others
we could do like a different categories and like actually spend time to like make sure we've tried the latest version of them cuz some of these you know haven't tried them recently for sure well cool um I think on that note we Should probably go ahead and and wrap this one up uh thanks everybody for tuning in if you enjoy this type of content and you want to learn about the latest AI news and tools and keep your finger on the pulse and learn actionable strategies to use AI make sure you subscribe to us on
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