hey guys welcome to another episode of the gut health gurus podcast I'm Kriben Govender I have a background in food science my colleague next to me is all things psychology with a background in psychology and today I have a very special guest this man is inspiring me so much he's probably one of the guys that I listen to and follow very closely on what he says on a daily basis because there are some bombs being dropped daily through his Facebook through his his blog his patreon and I'm very honored to introduce dr. Jack Cruz Jeff
welcome to the podcast Jack what I like to do is typically set the scene for my audience so the question I always ask is who is dr. Jack Cruz to the crews day job as a neurosurgeon his his passion is based around studying quantum biology getting to the foundations of truly how we work pretty much everything that you'll hear from me is really not my opinion it's really based on light water and magnetism and the equations that you've probably learned about his little boy that are the laws of nature specifically the three laws of thermodynamics
you may even add in the fourth law that was added in by another Nobel Prize winner later and equals mc-squared by Einstein in the photoelectric effect therefore I've taken this path as a neurosurgeon because I believe when people begin to understand how nature really works and they understand the opinions that I have really are based on this if I'm wrong I've got good company I don't really explain you know where these disease epidemics are coming from not only in my country but globally my focus is not on the United States might my focus really is
global in terms of where the disease processes are going because you'll see in different countries there's different issues that are developing but they always follow back to defects in light water and magnetism mm-hmm and what what I wanted to do is to start with what caste is just to explore the moment because my research on your background dr. Kruse you did struggle with I guess being overweight having some form of weight crisis in your life now what was the moment that you you had that kind of Eureka Einstein moment that wow it's not the diet
paradigm that's really impacting you but there's something else around 2004 2005 given at Auckland minimally invasive spine surgery and I was in front of a bunch of orthopedic surgeon and neurosurgeons you do spine surgery because I was presenting a paper about this instrument that I had designed and I stood up and I immediately tore my knee meniscus I don't know that they told me that that happened and one thing led to another and one of the IATA helped to the podium I just couldn't believe standing up would cause this problem but one of the ladies
in the audience was a wife of one of the orthopedic surgeons and she happened to work for a big biotechnology company that you may have heard of called an Jen and she says Jack I think I can explain why this happens here I'd like to send you a book in six papers long story short what she was trying to tell me is the company that she was working for was cooking the books and I took it a completely different way I read the book in the papers and I'm like is she trying to tell me
that actually what's in this book that's a fable is actually really possible and that is what lit me on fire that's when I started to realize that food was not the dominant issue to my obesity at the time I was 6 foot to 360 pounds I had never had any injuries you know to my knees before even though I was a football player in baseball we're in college and this opened my eyes to a completely different world the world that I was never taught about either in medical school in down school because I used to
be Dennis to you and an oral surgeon and it kind of blew me away to be quite frank with you 18 months of learning about this I started to realize that most of the things that I was taught in medical school were half-truths or absolute lies hmm and I started to realize the most dominant thing in nature that we miss especially in in medicine is actually how dominant light is and and how complex light is you know people when we talk about light we think about you know the light where around we don't realize that
what we revolved firm for 4.6 billion years is the light of the star in the sky and the problem is 99% of people in the world today no longer live under that light and it turns out most of the chronic disease paradigms almost always involve light at some level and it turned out my obesity I realized was tied to the new light at night and a lack of sunlight during the day and turned out a lot of non-native EMF because of my job why as a neurosurgeon most people get hurt you know after the Sun
sets and that's what I have to stay up late at night you know operating on them and it turned out for probably almost 20 years of my life through all my training I had been you know creating a huge circadian mismatch on my own life that's what drove the process it was the dominant factor and when I realized that it was kind of stunning mmm it was actually more than ironic to me because Here I am you know the smart neurosurgeon I should know a lot about the circadian mechanism and to be quite frank with
you back then I didn't know shit from shinola you know fare to where I am now and the reason it was cool for me is because you know there's nothing like unlearning to relearn and that was the big issue for me as a physician because you know in neurosurgery I felt like you know I had dominated in school the whole time I was growing up and to realize in that 18 months that I really didn't know anything about my own problem made me realize well how does the public feel about their own diseases hmm and
and it gave me a completely new perspective on how to approach this so I had some really cool Doc's that were in my hospital and some of them read some of my initial work and they were the impetus for me to put it on the internet and not put it in a journal because they like me realized that the paradigm in power is not really interested in the truth they're interested in furthering the paradigms beliefs so to speak mm-hmm and so I took their advice and that's how the process begin that was 15 years ago
and here we are now talking to you guys in Australia with me in New Orleans absolutely it's a beautiful thing now and I think the white issue is with definitely you know like a good style of you for me it was pretty much depression and anxiety that started my journey and I'm really fascinated because I've been reading a few of your I guess your posts online and you speak and on a few occasions about I think even recently about the mind you know depression anxiety and it's linked to lights and James I think you'd be
pretty fascinated with that 100% so how it really begins the story begins if you look at this chronic disease epidemic with depression and suicide most of you guys know that in the United States right now we've got a big time depression suicide and opiate problem what most people don't realize is that this problem all links back to a chemical that's made in your eye and goes into your brain and the chemicals called pom see you can look it up it's about P ONC and this can is made in the brain and it basically breaks down
to six different chemicals one of the chemicals that's in there is chemical named beta-endorphin which you've probably heard it works on the me receptor the interesting thing is when you realize that a.m. sunlight makes this chemical naturally what does that really functionally me means that nature has addicted us to to sunlight and the thing is when you actually had this idea you begin to realize why all the ancient civilizations worshiped the Sun why the Egyptians had Rob why the Aztecs had their gods why the Incas had their gods it begins to make sense and then
you realize is this the reason why they built the Sphinx looking to the east with all four extremities to the ground the answer is yes see they didn't know quantum physics but it turned out they knew that the Sun was a powerful stimulus or biology and it turns out you know when you're a neurosurgeon like me our bias is to evidence-based medicine that we learned in medical school and I realized when I found out about tomcee in detail that our cognitive biases as human species actually is towards the Sun there's other chemicals that are made
in here but one of the the big ones for for depression is actually we make two really big chemicals in our I initially that linked to this story so if you're not getting am sunlight and I mean an sunlight from sunrise so about 10:00 a.m. you're chronically division it you have an alteration in melatonin and dopamine and it turns out depression is very associated with dopamine well people don't understand about dopamine as dopamine is created from the aromatic amino acid tyrosine and phenylalanine in humans and the reason why I use the word aromatic is not
to confuse the audiences so the audience know the benzene ring is a photon trap and it turns out it's a photon trap for UV light because most people who come upon this information always think that melatonin is a nighttime hormone most people do not realize that the benzene ring has to be programmed I am light in order to work and it turns out it's even more interesting than that because it brings up the gut brain access why because serotonin is also made in the same fashion so is melatonin and that's made from another aromatic amino
amino acid called tryptophan and tryptophan also makes cytochrome one into mitochondria so when you begin to see that these aromatic amino acids are photon traps for this a.m. light it turns out that melatonin has to first be programmed by AM light but it doesn't act it doesn't act in the brain or the gut until light is gone at night for about four hours so this is the reason why there's a brain gut axis the other big issue that people really I think in your in your field with the microbiome people know that the largest store
of serotonin and the gut I should say in the body is in the gut it turns out that that's the storage house for tryptophan that will eventually become melatonin now you know that my tribe is called Black Swan mitochondria XY is tied to the story well it turns out Doug Wallace who's probably the lead researcher in the world on mitochondrial biology found about 25 years ago that melatonin also controls both autopsy and apoptosis in mitochondria so in other words it controls the stolen prokaryote that we have in our body that delivers energy when you begin
to realize this you you start to see how melatonin dopamine serotonin and cytochrome which is one which is made out of NAD+ and NADH they all work together in this very very unusual quantum dance where the brain and the gut has to work together in order in order for the physiology of the gut in the brain to allow a human to converse like we're doing right now in other words we're we're not sick don't have problems it turns out that blue light exposure especially at night and I have a name for that I call it
Alan it stands for artificial light at night mm-hmm powerin is deadly for both the gut and for the brain and it the reason for that is blue light in sunlight is contained in the seven colors of the spectrum the control arm for blue light happens to be red light the secondary control arm happens to be UVA and UVB light which is ultraviolet a and B and those control arms are not present everywhere where you are on the planet so it means that this variation that you see in your world in the microbiome is tied to
actually how the microbiome can be sculpted because one of the things we now know definitively we believed in the last five or six years that the microbiome is really affected by food and we're starting to find out but that's not really true it turns out it's really sculpted by the latitude and the light that you get the sense on and where does that might come from it comes from your eye it comes from your skin it comes from the gut surface itself and that's what sculpts the microbiome and that sculpting that goes on in the
gut is also sculpted in the brain to marry up with the story about palm see in the eye the story about dopamine the story about you know beta-endorphin the story about the endo cab annoyed that are made from pom see also alpha MSH and it turns out alpha MSH controls your appetite so here you begin to see the connection between this whole area and when you really understand stand up the eye well especially if you're a gut person you need to understand how the eye and the gut really link and it turns out the central
retina pathways when you first get light in there where do they end they end in the leptin receptor here's the irony where is leptin in the human body it turns out it's in subcutaneous fat so you start to ask yourself why in the hell would God or nature put the key hormone in our body in our sub-q fat if it and the hypothalamus and it turns out here's the reason because light on your skin and your eye is what activates or deactivates the whole process so if you do not get that stimulus properly like Jack
didn't being a neurosurgeon for 25 years eventually it could lead some collateral effects down the road and it turned out the collateral effect for me was becoming a fatass and then one of the things that I realize is that blue light exposure was the cause of the problem and when I put this story together you know back when you guys asked me earlier about the whole Laughton story I knew back in 2005 20 2006 and 2007 that there had to be another chromophore that means a receptor somewhere in the skin that was a blue light
receptor and to be if I'm being honest with you guys back then I guess that that receptor would be rhodopsin and it turned out I was wrong and I figured out I was wrong right around 2014 mmm that's when a paper came out that showed us that melanopsin which we found in the eye in the early or I should say the late 90s and early 2000s we found out it's also in the blood vessels of humans specifically the arterioles of the skin and that's when I started to realize oh my this is the other side
of the leptin story well mmm you guys know being microbiome guys that when we eat 40 to 60% of our blood volume goes through the mesenteric plexus of our gut and that means that massive amounts of blood are delivered through those arteries those arteries also have melanopsin receptors in it and here's the crazier part the microbiome is made out of prokaryotes you know that all bacteria are precarious here's what you may not know prokaryotes are known to release 5,000 times more light than eukaryotic cells now remember we're made out of eukaryotic cells okay to release
a ton more light it turns out there's a physicist named for its pot who discovered about 20 to 25 years ago that every single cell on the planet whether it's animal or plant releases a very interesting frequency of light and it's called extreme low frequency UV light so this day nobody knows what the spectrum of that light is but we know every single cell that's ever been tested releases this light so I started to realize immediately that the microbiome its main function is a light meteor and the way I like to think about it is
I look at the microbiome as a projector in a movie theater mm-hmm and the intera site or the surface of the gut as the screen it turns out but the Black Swan mitochondria is most interested not in the projector or the screen all the information that's buried in the light is actually what we need to know about how the microbiome has worked it turns out the light that's emitted from the different species of bacteria or absolutely critical in the quantum biology of the human gut this is the reason why people in biology and gut health
really don't truly understand it you know better than most that we have found you know we think certain floors are simplified when we eat certain diets you know one of my heroes in this because I've been a salmon swimming upstream in the microbiome world and you know that because I've been saying that light sculpts the microbiome for a really long time I didn't have a lot of good data to back me up on this but Jeff Lee it was a microbiome researcher that you know published in science magazine last year he found that when he
gave the hosta who aren't equatorial people basically fed them shit on a shingle gave him antibiotics American candy bars coca-cola Fanta you name it he gave him anything when he checked our microbiome nothing changed Wow and when he published this paper I had the biggest smile on my face because I knew that was right and you know last year I went to Vermont and Jeff also talked at Vermont and when he presented this paper from the stage I told everybody there that des paper was the single most important paper that's come out in microbiome research
in my opinion why because it definitively showed that when you put people in nature under the power of Sun their microbiome doesn't change with diet and this paradigm that you guys know exists in your world you must change it's not changed yet but it's coming and there's so many papers now that are beginning to show that just migration alone changes you know the microbiome well why would migration change it because the latitude changes that means diurnal variation of the light changes what people don't realize is that the equatorial region there is no diurnal change in
light it's the same 12 hours a day from the Sun up Sun down as we move away from the equator what happens today shortens you know and it lengthens in the summer but the key is the diurnal variation also changes this has to be correlated with species change in the gut and once you begin to realize that these things are linked that's how I think we're gonna get people to understand how the gut microbiome really is sculpted utilizing light water and magnetism in ways that would probably blow their mind and you know I told you
before we came on the podcast today I released the blog called CPC number 42 mm-hm and I was supposed to go to Vermont this year to talk about this topic mmm-hmm and I'm instead I'm going to Europe to go to Poland and to Germany so I decided four months early that I would release what I was going to say on Vermont about the counterintuitive connection between the gut and the brain today on patreon so some of the things that I just described to you guys all the little nasty details about actually how whitewater and magnetism
do this sculpting is actually contained in that blog and when you see this I think you guys as microbiome guys are gonna look at this and go oh my you need to do a lot of work and I'll be honest one of the things I'd like to see change I'd like to see people who do microbiome research take the microbiome out put it in a photomultiplier and then do the spectrum analysis on the light that's emitted because guess what then I think you're gonna understand why we have all the species that we do and why
they vary because they're varying based on the the the light that's outside and what most people don't understand is UV light is toxic to most prokaryotes it turns out that's blue green and red light is what most bacteria really like and it turns out the bacteria that we stole called the mitochondria mm-hmm 650 million years ago actually is built to like UV light that's what makes it different than every other bacteria on the planets the only bacteria that I know of that can tolerate UV light to a great degree and the reason for that the
cytochrome one which is goes back to the story that we started it you know is made out of a fluorophore protein what does that mean it's a protein that works at UV light and most of you have heard of it it's called NAD+ or NADH it's an electron acceptor that passes it to the second side of chrome which is made out of a flavin by hydrogenase that's a blue light detector and it turns out that nad is made out of niacin which is a vitamin d3 what is nice and come from tryptophan what did we
just say before about tryptophan it's an aromatic amino acid that absorbs between 200 and 400 nanometer light so we now know that niacin in nad absorbs 340 nanometer light why is that important for your work and the microbe I own researchers work all carbohydrate electrons enter the mitochondria through cytochrome one so highly powered electrons made from the Sun via photosynthesis remember through Einstein's equation called the photoelectric effect photons only interact with electrons that excites them well what cytochrome one is really doing is taking those excited electrons and capturing the light in there as it falls
back to the ground state and that energy is being utilized in the cell it turns out the signal from the environment is not only coming from the eye it's coming from the skin but for you guys it's also coming from the gut meaning that light show between the projector and the entire site is where the action is you know these things need to be yoked together and when you begin to see the pieces and parts moving together you begin to realize that what we're really doing in microbiome research right now is we're not even in
the first inning where we're in like there's the first batters up and the count is three in two and I know you guys are all C's but it'd be like the beginning of a cricket game yeah the thing is I want to make sure that the audience understands that where we are now I think people really think definitively that we know a lot more than we do I'm gonna tell you I believe with the gut and the microbiome we know very little yes and the reason why I personally believe the microbiome and the gut is
the most counterintuitive quantum biologic tissue that's in the human body and if you've read anything that I've written that's a mouthful what I've said about the brain and the eye already I find the gut extremely interesting because most some of the most interesting quantum biologic processes begin there and you know there's many diseases you know especially the functional medicine guys they're always out there telling people about autoimmunity and obesity everything begins in the gut turns out that's not really true it actually begins on the skin in the eye and that's what changes things in the
gut but the gut does sculpt the brain in ways that we don't yet realizing that uses red blood cells me uses changes biophysical changes in the blood in both the portal and the mesenteric system that affect the hydrogen bonding networks as CSF actually affects the blood-brain barrier affects the cervical spinal cord barrier that's why many many diseases that we now don't have an answer for in medicine when you see it through this perspective you begin to realize why some of the problems with them exist and it's the reason why people who do have depression do
tend to have a lot of gut complaints yeah why they also have serious issues in their brain with other things so my perspective is based on these things that i shared with you here you know I know that was a loaded answer to the question but hopefully gives the people an idea of kind of how I tackle this problem because it is to me very very interesting I'm very interested in how nature thinks and how nature does things I'm not really interested in man's opinion of what they think is going on exactly and if that's
what I love about you jack is you pull it as it is and I have a huge amount of respectful of someone that puts themselves you know in the limelight and and sometimes you can attract some I guess some naysayers but I firmly believe in you know the connection between lights and the microbiome for sure let's dig in a little bit deeper into I guess some of the the metabolites that bacteria produce like methane I'll tell you why I think I think what we should do because you guys both know that there's a lot different
things that the microbiome produces but I think what we should talk about tied to methane yes is something that is so foundational to understanding how the microbiome really works that you can generalize it and then you'll understand about beta-hydroxybutyrate short chain fatty acids and things like that because that's a whole topic in and of itself but methane is actually how bacteria handle hydrogen mmm in other words it's the hydrogen store so what do I want to share with you guys that you may not know do you know that the human microbiome is designed to make
about one liter of hydrogen a day for us to use well and what does it work with well it works with a lot of different things but what's the number one thing that's me it turns out the amount of hydrogen made is quantized to the light that comes through the skin and the eye that's the number one thing and it turns out that the amount of hydrogen actually links to sulfur containing bacteria you in the gut to make a chemical that I'm sure you guys have heard of called hydrogen sulfide and that's both h2s mm-hmm
many people don't realize is that h2s is a gas EO transmitter what does that mean it's a gas that's a neurotransmitter but as direct effects on the mitochondria and what are those effects those effects are linked to the action of nitric oxide both in the gut and in the blood and what does nitric oxide and h2s functionally do it inhibits electron chain transport it slows it down and it does this because it interacts with cytochrome 4 which is known as cytochrome C oxidase or C Co for short in mitochondria cling ling-ling go now when you
slow electron chain transport down that has dramatic effects on the ATPase which is cytochrome 5 missile turret that means the spin rate current closes so here's the key if you don't get any Sun do you know what spins the ATPase by itself with no electrons in it the light that's behind me right now red light Wow can in the video that you guys are doing you can see that I'm talking to you inside in my house so right now their Sun outside here in New Orleans but why do I have the red light in here
forty to fifty percent of the glass is blocking the red light from the Sun so what is Jack did he adds it there because it turns out the ATPase has red light chromophores all around it that allow it to spin at a hundred percent efficient rate see we have no engines by technology that run at a quantum yield of a hundred percent but it turns out the ATPase in humans moves hydrogen at a hundred percent efficient rate so when you begin to understand this h2s made from the gut and nitric oxide me from the gut
slow electron chain down that's exactly what calorie restriction does mmm the difference is calorie restriction only works when you're in full spectrum sunlight and this is the big thing that's missing in that research and the reason for that is UVA light makes nitric oxide and I just told you that the microbiome is making the hydrogen with the sulfated bacteria that's in your gut these things are all quantized and they're quantized in ways that most people don't understand but what is the key factor for the microbiome in making hydrogen it turns out your microbiome is Jermaine's
critical mission important so sulfated everything in your body well what was that what was that came ready here's where we get into some really cool science sulfation is you mungus lee important because it turns out sulfur and phosphorus act as quantum dots in your blood now remember I told you before that when the eye gets hit with sunlight forty to sixty percent increase goes through the ophthalmic artery I told you when you eat the same thing happens in your gut turns out when your skin is hit by sunlight the exact same thing happens what happens
the blood vessels are raised to the surface so that they can absorb light what is hemoglobin absorb 250 to 600 nanometer light so red blood cells are ferryboats hmm then to work operationally they have to be sulfated what else do you know in your body that has to be sulfated most people never talk about cholesterol and vitamin D you know that vitamin D is made from cholesterol there's only one hydrogen difference and a little bond that's not there and 312 nanometer light which is UVB light does this well once that is connected it also has
to be sulfated guess what sulphates it things that are going on in your gut mm-hmm and the key is if you can't sulfate your cholesterol and there's something called cholesterol sulfate that means you can't sulfate your vitamin D if you can't sulfate your vitamin D you know what happens it doesn't do anything to calcium everybody believes that vitamin D is linked to calcium homeostasis and the gut it turns out that sulfated vitamin D and unsalted vitamin D have different physiologic benefits so this is how a small little way how this works what else is sulfated
every bit of your platelets in your blood that's floating in their sulfated what else your white blood cells your white blood cells are able to make sulfate directly from h2s made from your microbiome with no enzymatic machinery needed provided you can sulfate the blood from your gut or your skin the the microbiome is the backup system for your skin when you don't have your skin in the game then it turns out your gut absolutely also needs to be in the game because what people don't realize is that red light is the one part of sunlight
that penetrates directly through your skin all the way to every party you got the penetrates ten to thirty centimeters so that means that every bit of red light from the Sun which is the dominant frequency in sunlight for those of you don't know in terrestrial sunlight 42% is infrared a light that is what mitochondria are interested in mmm every single mitochondria in your gut is looking for that turns out the microbiome is also interested in that red light now blue light does penetrate us but it only penetrates about 3 to 6 centimeters so for the
gut it's usually not that big a deal but where do we get the red the blue light information we tend to get it from our red blood cells through our skin in our eye it does it also does happen in the gut but how does it happen in the gut here's where the counterintuitive story comes well when things get sulfated there's two big things that go on in your liver you've probably heard about methylation man detoxification those things are heavily dependent on sulfate in your body for example the accumulation of metals in your body many
of the functional medicine doctors are out there telling people when you eat things for your gut like for example the thing that drives me crazy they tell people if you eat too much tuna you're gonna get mercury which is total bullshit but the real problem happens if your microbiome is off and your methionine cycles off your methionine cycle needs the sulfation to clear heavy metals so you know what that means you don't even need to eat a lot of things with methyl mercury in it at all because guess what if the sulfation process is broken
in your microbiome over your life you will become a net collector and can't get rid of the heavy metals guess what else happens if you're not sulfated you actually develops the methylation defect see the dominant paradigm out there right now from the functional medicine guys is that methylation defects come from what a problem with your snips that you get on a 23andme test turns out it's not true and how do we know that I'm gonna tell you there's another B vitamin in the gut that's really important it's called riboflavin riboflavin is B 2 guess what
b2 is a cofactor in all these sulfation pathways that we're talking about do you know what kind of chromophore riboflavin is remember I gave you a clue before I said cytochrome to fadh2 is a flavin all Flavin's are what blue light chromophores why now I'm gonna give you some homology yeah you look at a chloroplast it has four nitrogens around magnesia you look at hemoglobin has four nitrogen's around iron the difference between magnesium and iron is the amount of electrons it has on the periodic table that means it can absorb more light wear more complex
than plants therefore we have 14 more electrons that's why we use iron mm-hmm riboflavin when you look at it also has a photon trap but it has three benzene rings but guess what it has that's very similar to the chloroplast and hemoglobin it's got nitrogen in its rings that's the reason why it's a blue light detector and guess what the microbiome likes to release lots of blue light yes what turns on this riboflavin context to help methylation detoxification and also clearance of heavy metals for the Matheny cycle that process so when that process in the
microbiome is broken this whole thing starts to fall apart and what is the phenotype of patients or the public that's gonna listen to this podcast mm-hmm that will start to see people who live in a tech world that have blue light who don't go in the Sun they'll begin to start out in depression they'll get fatter they'll start accumulating metals they'll have methylation defects does that sound like some of the the dominant diseases that we have that are out there absolutely all starts from the surface changes and that's why one of the counterintuitive things that
you've probably heard me say over time is that with time I believe it will be proven that what happens in our surfaces meaning the skin the eye the gut in the law who's gonna determine the biochemistry that occurs below and what I'm telling you is the biochemistry that's going on in the gut is radically different depending on the incident light EMF because it has to do with the free radical signal that's made and it turns out that you have to turn on riboflavin and if riboflavin is not in your diet why because blue light will
destroy it that's one of the causes of Lupton resistance you know then it turns out that your microbiome simplifies that's how Jack got fat and I realized that this was a big issue the problem I never knew so I didn't know the link to melanopsin until about truly about 2014 that's when everything fell into place and then in 2017 that probably the key paper came out in December of 2017 that we found melanopsin is now in the subcutaneous fat and arteries of the skin and I was like oh my goodness so now we now know
that in the mesenteric plexus of the gut it's also in the visceral fat it's also in all the arteries of the fat so now the story is complete now we've got all the missing pieces what our job is hopefully doing podcasts like this you know people who are into microbiome research in the microbiome itself they begin to realize that this story is not just about species it's about the light these species release and it's about the EMF and when I say EMF I'm talking about solar versus non-native mm-hm simplifies the gut it turns out that
blue light by itself without all its other frequencies is the single biggest thing that simplifies together and that's when we get the obesity floor that everybody talks about in the literature they have not figured out yet what really sculpts the microbial and the guy that's given us the biggest clue is jeff Leach mm-hmm Jack we're pretty much coming up to time if you wouldn't mind that just just when I explore a little bit further for a couple of minutes now just with with microbiome in scalping that's the kind of that train I thought you finished
with what would be your recommendations to unlike it's it's a difficult question to ask we're so new in terms of the science worth to the first inning really but what's your recommendations for scoping em scalpings a microbiome that's gonna be the the most beneficial for our health I'm gonna give you something that'll surprise you I think it's very simple and the first number one thing I want you to make like this face every single day the rest of your life you need to face the east as the Sun rises whether it's cloudy or not and
see that sunrise I want you to see it those with your eyes your skin and your gut I'd like your gut exposed you know you guys you can do that I can do that but there's probably somebody gonna be listening to this in Edmonton Canada right now going Jack it's minus 25 yeah but guess what the stimulus doesn't have to be really long when you do it correctly here's the greatest thing about Einstein's photoelectric effect the effect happens instantaneously so the sicker you are the longer you must do it the more healthy you are you
just have to be chronic in your ability so I tell people 80% of your ability to get better is to do just that it's not as hard as we all think now where it gets tougher if you're not a quantum clinician you're not a quantification you don't have this perspective I'm gonna tell you just because we started talking about some of the reactions between say sulfation hydrogen creation and say riboflavin the thing I would tell you is you know that my book is called the EPI Paleo Rx if seasonal diet for your latitude and location
and you add seafood and some organ meats you have solved your problem and that's all one needs to do see I make I get very controversial online because I tell people food doesn't matter food but it's like fifth on the list and you know that this creates a huge problem when I talk to people who are food girls or nutritionist or guys like you who are big into the microbiome but I look at you guys is a little bit more progressive because I've seen some of the things that you guys have written you know on
social media and I think you know that there's another side to this coin that we need to look at and that's the side of the coin that Jack spends most of his time on because I find it fascinating and we're learning way more about how we really work going forward so that's my take home in terms of what someone needs to do if you eat a seasonal diet for your location on the planet and you see the Sun with your services every day I believe eventually you can fix it now the diseases you have this
may take a lot longer than you want to know like if you've got MS you got SIBO you got IBS or say in your condition depression you you need to do more than just you know that instantaneous time that we mentioned before those are people that I would say 30 40 50 minutes from sunrise they're 1 in the beginning 15 years ago that's what I did I spent sometimes 3 4 5 hours outside before I went to work from a time the sunrise I changed everything about my life these days I don't have to do
that now where I am now 15 years later I'm probably 30 to 40 pounds heavier than I was at my thinnest weight but I would tell both of you since your microbiome guys how often do you think it is someone can go from 360 pounds and maintain a hundred pound weight loss for greater than 15 years and not do anything I can tell you the answer from my gastroenterology friends mm-hmm it never happens unless you have your gut cut my operation I'm telling you that it's possible when you really understand light water and magnetism the
key problem is is my day job that we you guys asked about earlier puts me at risk jack for 15 years tried to change his day job to get a stability of light in my life and when Jack can't get a stability in his life he puts a red light on behind them or he goes out like after I finished with you guys it's four o'clock in the afternoon here Jack will be outside with his shirt off in his Kenickie shorts told you that we need to consider doing and I think if we can get
people back to nature eating a natural seasonal diet for food that grows under the power of photosynthesis in that location my friends I think this is the kind of medicine we all can get behind and some sound advice and just a quick question that that read a lot behind you is that incandescent bulb that's coated with LED light that's got infrared a infrared be an infrared Qi but it also has the flicker effect limited what's the brand if you wouldn't mind me asking well the brand is actually through my my my fog I have Cruz
longevity farm I do not saw the lights until you see me as a patient and they get taught exactly how to do it based on their work up at the farm is me eventually we do think it'll be available but the reason and I'm glad you asked me this because I I think publicly cuz you're the first guys I'm gonna tell this to I believe the biggest mistake that people make is usually utilizing photobiomodulation or red light from the internet and not having an appropriate quantum context to use it you need to know how to
use it when you're trying to get better not everybody who's got SIBO IBS or Crohn's disease needs to use red light all the same way everybody's process is different why because you have to understand how mitochondria and the microbiome are working inside of you to get this effect and that's the reason why I'm a stickler about these details I think in four or five years I think the lights will be available but you and I us three just talked about some of the quirkiness about how the gut really works and I think you guys could
probably appreciate putting any red light on the market is equivalent to like putting any drug in a pharmacy or putting any drug for over-the-counter use and you know that there's many over-the-counter drugs are considered safe but they still have effects so my personal belief right now is on the internet it's the Wild West when it comes to light and most people don't understand light as well as I do therefore I have felt this is my own personal opinion but I'm not comfortable telling anybody really how I want them to use light until I know more
about their personal context I respect that and sometimes treating Y as as like it's a form of medicine say as to like you don't know one of the the world's research experts in red light is a Russian scientist named Tina Carew we spell her name K you are you you'll be very interesting this may be in your show notes you can link this but said is red light therapy drug therapy and the answer when you read the paper the answer is yes and I want you to think about the power that people don't realize that
the chemical bonds between carbon hydrogen and nitrogen do you know where the energy of those bonds come from the Sun that's what we don't realize and these little quantum effects they have massive massive implications for the clinical diseases we treat and the phenotypes of our patients hopefully when people listen to this podcast and they go out maybe they'll understand why Jack is a stickler for details and why I'm kind of diligent on what I do because I don't think on social media most people really understand how deep I try to go with the science you
do know that it's it's very difficult to teach people quantum physics in terms of how it links to biology but I think podcasts like this one listen to this this is decidedly a different perspective then you're gonna get from anybody else that you interview and I am on the edge of what's published in the science I'm not interested in yesterday science I'm interested in why don't we really understand the microbiome right now I'm telling you guys my belief based on the state of my knowledge in 2019 in on March is that it ties to light
water and magnetism until we get that right I think we have a duty to tell everybody that we're trying to educate this is this is the state of our knowledge the dunning-kruger effect is massive in the microbiome research and we need to keep going forward paying attention to everything that's out there to see how these things affect things and I think if you do that my opinion is the gut brain access is going to be one of the most exciting places to be you know in the future of Medicine but I do give people a
cautionary detail I think allopathic gastroenterology I think the microbiome researchers and I think functional medicine paradigm is woefully inaccurate where it is right now and and in some cases especially in functional medicine I believe that it's creating more problems than it solves and that will probably warm the cockles of many people who listen to this but it's a warning that I'm given and I hope people begin to understand why I have the belief that I do it's because of some of the science that you know I laid out to you guys and I think the
more we talk about this going forward I think the better will be because I'm sure next year we'll talk about something different or the year after that because the the data is being published now for us to read decipher and figure out how it fits you know the things that we already know and I guarantee you there's gonna be things that come out in the next year that we learn about the microbiome that are gonna blow our mind in terms of how it sculpts mitochondrial biology how it changes my oh gee how it changes otology
mom even how fasting you know affects the light release from the microbiome I think but anytime you change the nutrient density to a bacteria it has massive effects on the light that it releases and the thing that mindset that I like people to really get is when it comes to the microbial I want you to remember the analogy we used an hour ago the projector and the screen the projector is the microbiome the screen is the intera site surface I want you to pay attention to the light there because all that information is really what
we're all interested in absolutely and I'm a firm believer that and following a wick dr. Cruz that lot does have a substantial impact and I hope there's no researchers microbiome guys out there that really start to take heed I was actually saying the same thing to a colleague a couple of weeks ago that you'd be a really interesting study to see what types of frequencies of light that bacteria a different species actually produce so let's hope that someone listens to this and and starts to sleep people are multipliers but here's the interesting thing just when
you examine the bacteria say in a petri dish in a photomultiplier it changes the frequency compared to what it is in small intestine remember it's a totally different environment so we need to be aware of that as well but the one thing I guess I'll end with that you'll be interested in when I talked to Jeff last year I gave him the idea I said Jeff because you're the only microbiome researcher that I know that's stuttering humans and equatorial environment with with no diurnal change how about if you take the hosta who live in equatorial
zone and bring him to Austin Texas where you live I said I will be willing to bet you that their microbiome becomes more like the fat people in Texas and he looked at me that's a great idea yes from what I've heard that's exactly what he's doing I'll be very interested to see you the outcomes of that study that's cool well Jack we're gonna rap now James did you have any pine I was just amazing Jack's amazing and what we typically like to finish is I think you've covered this but what we like to finish
is if there was one thing that our audience continued before they got health today what would it be I think that's very simple - I think they need to read to understand they need to unlearn to relearn so one of the books that I would tell everybody I think that you need to get to understand this perspective it's called light sculpting life it's written by a gentleman named Roland Van Wyck if you didn't know that every cell in your microbiome releases extreme low frequency UV light you must read this book it takes you back to
the history all the way back to 1800s to where we are today in how this really works and when you understand the difference between prokaryotes and eukaryotes I promise you you'll have a new perspective on truly what's going on with nature's laws and those prokaryotes and your gut and that will be the first time that you'll understand that taking a sahjhan esteems may actually be making you worse it may be the reason you're not getting better and it may be the impetus for you to stop doing something that you've been told by everybody on the
internet or in the medical clinics oh no you should take probiotics you should do this we should do that you may say you know let me take a couple of steps back here and try looking at the Sun every morning with my eyes my skin and my gut and see what happens to your brain and your gut you might be shocked and here's the best news guys you will both know that what I just told you is free that doesn't need to sell you some crazy probiotic that has no clinical data like restore we have
you know a doctor here in Virginia that tries to sell this to everybody it's just pure nonsense but because he can give you a cogent story in a marketing spiel and people buy what is Jack saying I'm not selling you a damn thing I'm selling you on one cognitive bias jackass nature okay and when you begin to understand this you start to go well you know I've tried everything else nothing's worked how about I try this and I think you might be shot Jack thank you so much for taking the time to to come into
the podcast with the huge event like feta cheese appreciation and you have yourself a great thing I appreciate you guys inviting me thank you my pleasure
