"This Is Destroying America" - Corrupt Elites, Vaccine Lies, Putin & Fake News | Candace Owens

When you have power obviously you're looking to solidify your power one of the things that I I always say is you know capitalists make the best socialists for example right once you've climbed the ladder and like you've via capitalism like say you're Jeff Bezos I'm just using him as an example not pointing him out for anything but if you're Jeff Bezos and you're the you're like the richest man in the world and You become the richest man in the world because you built Amazon well you don't want the next big guy to come around and

make something bigger than Amazon right so you're looking at how you can make sure there is no competition like the very thing that let you into the markets is like you don't want the markets to be so free anymore and it's why so many people even in the past uh this is why we we initially had to pass laws against monopolies because powerful people were Just like I'll just buy up all the smaller guys and become more and more powerful that's like the instinct is to just maintain your power if you're whether you're a business

whether you're the government or whether you've realized that uh a relationship between businesses and the government is the best way way to maintain your power and I'm speaking about the vaccine industry it's a perfect marriage between the manufacturers who don't allow any Competitions there's very few you got you know fizer you've got MC there's a couple other ones I'm forgetting but there very small group of people and they're in lock step with the FDA and you've got sort of this perfect marriage and they have a lot of power and in my view they've become a

drug cartel because of those reasons so yeah I mean that would be I think my answer to that question of who is trying to control things it's people that have power that Don't want to let go of it and don't want their power threatened now I heard you say something when I was researching you that uh uh it gave me pause so I'm very curious to hear you and I share a fear of authoritarian rule but when you were talking to Andrew Tate you said that maybe Putin wouldn't be the worst you were being a

little tongue and cheek um but I'm curious do you actually think that the way that Putin runs his Government is better than What's Happening Here I think America is running the government exactly like Putin that what we just have an illusion of freedom I don't see like there was actually this notorious point and I want to say two things about that because I I actually do recognize that the way Putin is running his government and China is running their government is obviously going to take America out because There's not a society that can survive without

strong men and we're now encouraging weak men so if you're if you're betting on a horse go go with the strong one not the week one right um and that was kind of one of the things that me and Tate were talking about was like operation globo homo right and we were saying that obviously just giving a funny name to it but there is this increase in like transgender be a lesbian you know get kids on Pharmaceuticals we are now a society of weak men so when you say objectively which government is running their country

better well how do you run a country you want your country to survive right the Next Generation to be able survive and to be in a position of power America is not doing that right now we're we're we are we are making our country weaker and weaker and weaker and that's why I say this isn't my Granddaddy's America right so this is Not the men are way too effeminate and it's just it's the culture is is rot in but to to go back to my first point I was going to make um there was this

point when Joe Biden said something he called Putin a killer right a cold-blooded killer and Putin responded because I'm I'm interested enough that I go read his speeches because I don't I know the media lies about everything they lied about what was causing the Ukraine war you got you have to read Everyone's speeches and try to discern for yourself what's true but Putin said it takes one to No One what what what Mirage are we existing in that you think Putin is a cold-blooded killer and not America who's been at war overseas we bombed a

million Iraqi civilians 1 million innocent people we bombed we've been bombing the Middle East we've been bombing like nonstop look what we did in Afghanistan so it's like we just have This illusion because it's not happening on our soil and the media is telling us at every time we're stomping out terrorists I mean do yourself a favor and obviously Wikipedia is not a great source for anything but you should just go up and look up color revolutions and just look at the list of how many times we overthrew governments who are we to do that

could you imagine and and then you have our media going Russia spent a a million dollars trying to influence Our election and I think it's just it's hilarious how people can be so plugged in that they don't even realize we specialize in overthrowing countries in their elections and installing people we did this in Ukraine this is the reason that this whole this whole conflict didn't begin two years ago this whole conflict began when John McCain went over there and and this something Dave Smith and spoke about and was protesting in the streets they overthrew a

duly Elected government in Ukraine and installed a puppet for the West that's going to create tension in various areas and so to think at what we did to Gaddafi I mean horrific so to I what I don't accept once you learn about not even history you're talking about actual present and what America has done to other countries I no longer accept the Putin Boogeyman Theory like it takes one to know one these are how governments are run he's open about what he is we Are still making people think well we passed gay marriage so I

guess it means like we're not like bopping dropping bombs on children everywhere all across the world and staging um elections around the world and overthrowing meaning you know people's duly elected elections and making countries worse after we're there as we tell our public that we're spreading democracy go check out a list of all the countries that we've said that we spreading democracy Or bombing them into Oblivion yeah there there is no doubt in my mind that um real politique the movements of people to establish power internationally and keep that power is is a bloody and

horrifying game that America has certainly been uh very involved in um but going back to the idea of so right now I have the belief that the American system is far better than the Russian system system um so I want to understand so the reason I Believe that is while I believe that democracy is um very fragile that it is certainly under assault that we for sure should be very worried about some of the authoritarian moves um we at least have had the transition of power I am very aware of how people feel about recent

events uh in terms of it not being as peaceful as it ought to have been um but in Russia they've had the same leader for whatever 16 years or something that to me is a an indicator of an underlying Authoritarian rule that is a step farther down the road than where we are now is that your read on the situation or are you like if we could literally one for one swap we'd be better off America be tougher we wouldn't be raising weak men do you think that would be better than what we have now

I don't think that what we have now is what we believe we have now so I'm I've I've recognized that America is just a Hollywood production I mean I Don't think or at least I would hope that most people recognize that Joe Biden has not been running the nation for four years right I think we kind of all acknowledge that he's not been running the nation for four years the question is who has been and this gets into the shadow government you know the media completely panicked and went into a tail spin when Tucker Carlson

went over there to interview Vladimir Putin why right why would you be in a complete Tail Spin this is what journalism journalists are supposed to do like since the beginning of time journalists are supposed to go and speak to other leaders of countries to get information and they freaked out about this and one of the most compelling parts of that conversation was when Tucker asked him a meaningful question I think it might have been about President Clinton and he said like you know when you and President Clinton spoke about this did Maybe it was about

um him joining NATO because he said I've tried to join NATO several times like I've tried to work with the West which is true by the way that's a fact he he has but they've not wanted to do that for whatever reason and he almost looked at Tucker like he was a child he's just like you know I don't deal with your Presidents I deal with the CIA you know you it's like nobody cares about your president I know it's like a fun thing and democracy wins And we all get to applaud and yay it's

the first black president at the end of the day like my belief is that this is an oligarchy and the CIA is running things and the and so yeah if we're they're doing things without even having to come to the American people for permission I mean I thought Congress had to prove us going to war how are we sending all of these packages billions of dollars Overseas the state tells us Pentagon tells us oh couldn't figure out the account and we lost all that money we can't tell you where it went meanwhile they're sending 550,000

more IRS agents to make sure you paid that extra 100 bucks so to me it's just it's all an illusion and I thought that was that was honest like that that was actually what I appreciated it was just Vadim Putin being like what kind of a non obviously I deal I deal with the CIA you know like and so I in that way kind of think it's a little bit of The Truman Show here in America and people are invested in believing that there's going to be change but when you really take a look into

it nothing ever really does change I have a big belief that it doesn't matter what you look at it matters what you see and my look I am very open to that the in the final analysis I'm the one that's delusional And I look at something and I'm not seeing what's really there and obviously you do not know me but um my whole thing is beliefs have utility and they either help you do the things you're trying to do and I'll assume that somebody has an honorable goal and so my thing is hey you should

only do and believe that which moves you towards that honorable goal now I look at Russia versus America and I go okay we if as a business guy I'm just always looking at kpis all Right so we have a way better economy and compared to Russia so I look at Russia and I say all right one guy in charge uh make him happy you can do what you want don't make him happy you can't America is hey I get it there's a lot of BS there's a lot of narrative there's a lot of convincing people

that we are something that we're really not but at the same time the structure that we have created has attracted and produced some of the most Extraordinary uh innovators the world has ever seen and so I look at that and I'm the guy for whom the system worked I grew up middle class maybe even lower middle class and I have succeeded tremendously and so I look at the system and I'm like hey I don't want this system to fall apart I look at Russia and I say that that is a fundamentally different belief system that

is uh the collective over the individual that is have you been to Russia I have not interesting yeah so I I couldn't tell you because I had not been to Russia but I always think it's interesting when people speak passionately about a place they've never seen maybe you know Russians I mean I I can only say I know Russians um and it it's just interesting it's interesting to hear and that's one thing that I always do too is I I try not to speak about places that I don't feel like I Have a leg in

because I've been so blown away by what I thought was true and then what kind of was a situation when I arrived somewhere you know you go to American cities and they're in ruin there's homeless people on the streets there's homeless encampments you know you and I both got ahead not coming from much uh but the circumstance when you look at the filth that surrounds these cities it's so shocking to step outside of that and go somewhere and you're kind Of constantly being told like America is the greatest place in the world America is the

greatest place in the world and you just wonder why it is and I think actually Tucker did the segment when he went out there how he was so shocked by how clean everything was and like how I don't I think he he did this thing where he got made fun of in he got made fun of in the media because he went to the grocery store and and spoke about how cheap the prices were versus what he had Expected in his American mindset before going out there so that's the only reason I'm asking you I

don't actually know the answer I've never been there either but I'm wondering if you're relying upon not the Church of science but the Church of media to inform what you believe to be about Russia like do you think they all hate him and he's an evil dictator or do you think the Russ love him uh I don't have any knowledge of That I am I'm surprised that you said you thought I was speaking passionately about Russia I'm speaking passionately about America so looking at I passion as in like not positive passion just like you know

you have you have a very formed opinion of Russia right you're kind of like well Russia compared to the America what do you think yeah yeah but I'm talking about a kpi so I'm looking at economics so you look at the economic output of of the two countries we are Way ahead of Russia and then the next question is okay why maybe the punchline is uh Western interference okay that's possible I am very open to whatever the punchline ends up being but in trying to um I am trying to leverage you as somebody who looks

at the narratives that we're being told identifies that many of them are not true and then offers a way forward and so I'm trying to figure out how you judge like the Putin thing was the one where I was like Whoa I didn't see that one coming uh I couldn't map it to what I thought of as your world view and so I'm just trying to understand from your perspective what that represents so far what I've taken away and if this is missing or inaccurate let me know but what I've taken away so far is

a some very substantive portion of why that feels at least intuitively right to you is that America is generating weak men and I've heard you Talk a lot about uh the roles between the Sexes the way that we're raising men and women has a high level of dysfunction but I didn't know if there was more to it if it's like just that's you grappling with feeling like there is a cultural problem that we have here in the west that they have solved better than us or if like you've really done a deep dive and you're

like yo we'd be better off with that style of government well no I have not and what I Would say is the social aspects really mattered to me so I was covering on my show this story where they were presenting it like Russia was this terrible place because they were hunting down a woman who in protest like took her top off in in front of this sacred Cathedral and they're like look at this unfree country like you know they're putting her on a list and the cops are searching for her and then I asked my

audience a question like You think you couldn't survive in a place that said like you couldn't take like we we've gone the we're just the Other Extreme do you know what I mean we're The Other Extreme where people can deficate on a cathedral or people can women are naked all the time we have walks and we go oh this is freedom this is not Freedom this is not Freedom at all we have no respect for anything in this country and so it's it's not that Russia is better than America it's That Russia in me and

America if you think about it are just opposite sides it's like it's like you know it's like the Horseshoe Theory it's really it's like this is the Other Extreme and it's awful it's absolutely awful I we should San Francisco should not have hoop police you know what I mean and you're like but at least you can take your top off in a cathedral I'm like yeah but I don't want to do that like I have enough respect For me and my community my neighbors that I'd be totally fine if there was a law that if

you took your top off at a cathedral you get arrested I'm actually okay with that like if we have to regulate like having common decency and respect because we somehow have had our brains rinsed into believing that that's this is what freedom is no it's this is not freedom and and so of course one of the things also is that it's a tremend it's it's a very Christian Society and Obviously if that's a bias that I could lay down you know it's got an Orthodox Christian Society and yeah it matters to me that there are

strong men I think it's important to have strong men and so one of the things yeah I it's not even it's more a commentary that the opposite thing is not good right like you're like you you can't swing the pendulum to the exact opposite side and go so this must be good no this is very bad America's in a very bad State Socially all right is what we have not Freedom or do you have a value that supersedes freedom that you want to see as our primary even if it's just culturally aspired to value well

I would say that if you don't have bodily autonomy you definitely can't purport to be a free Society so that for me was a like wow like force vaccine people to go to work is that's enslavement that's crazy you know you cannot say we live in a free society When the government attempted to implement Force like you you can't work you're going to get fired if you don't get this vaccine that we created that's not a free Society um the tax burden and the way that it's increased not even being able to know where your

tax taxes are this is just not the this is not the vision that our founding fathers had we are very far removed from that and we're inching closer and closer to socialism you know the money that is being spent On welfare isn't actually increasing people's welfare right you You' got trillions of dollars spent on the welfare system since it was implemented and the people that received the recipients are poorer today than they were when it began so this seem like it seems like they're encouraging a sort of Neo slavery it's like an illusion of freedom

but in fact it's like NEOS slavery where they kind of want everyone to be a welfare Recipient they want everyone to be relying on the government for something and a big piece of that is also the pharmaceutical industry which is creating addicts the opioid crisis no one ever gets into trouble and you see more and more kids that are being put on very serious drugs at a young age and I I don't think the government has our best interest at heart now you add that in addition to that look at the education system we're creating

the Department of Education they said in what was it uh which uh president was that the Jimmy Carter in 1970 who created the Department of Education and it's because every child deserves to have an access to to education what have been the results it is a fact kids are getting dumber and dumber and dumber it has been an abject failure or it's been a success because the goal is to create the illusion of Education while all you're actually doing is creating a Bunch of brats who are so convinced that they're smart but they can't do

a basic math problem they don't they cannot even write an English paper they can't even speak English and then you weigh that against and this is something that Matt Walsh brought into the foray go read a letter written by a civil war soldier who had no formal education and it sounds like poetry we're systematically being dumbed down I believe that we're systematically being poisoned I believe That uh we're systematically being made sicker via the things that are allowed in our food that are not allowed in the food in Europe when I go and stay in

even London for months at a time because my husband's from the UK I feel better like we're they're like allowed to poison us here because of course like I said the FDA is colluding with these people the Monsanto everything that is happening in America right now does not feel like Freedom it feels like a very Slow darkening a very slow diminishing of the human mind and the human body would you want to see um more freedom and a return to that or to capture it for the first time or would you value decency above Freedom

well I don't think it violates my freedom in any way to say like hey you can't defecate in the streets like you know I think that's you know um I I would I would be totally fine with that uh actually What I would like to see and I think the only way to attain your freedom is on a household to household basis and making those decisions to step outside of the quote unquote Matrix or the system that's been created for you that's why I encourage homeschooling and The Homeschool students are excelling right now you know

and there's a reason for that because they're not being put in a classroom that's just trying to marry them to various social causes I mean Trying to pass like CRT and like race training above making sure kids can be mathematically competitive like do do you really think like China's not going to stomp on America in a generation their kids are like this on the calculator when they're three when they're three years old so I I think that the best way to achieve freedom is to achieve Freedom within your own household you know and that's what

I encourage the parents I say you can Always control what happens in your own household you can always be the person that stands up and and says like this is my bottom line like my kids are not doing this and we're not doing this and also making yourself more self-sufficient like something that I did because I wanted to achieve Freedom was I learned how to grow food people don't even realize that that has even created welfare recipients like if if something happened in New York City like People think that food grows in a grocery store

and it was shocking to me to realize that this wisdom that our grandparents all had they knew how to farm the land they all knew even today girls women don't even know how to cook forget like to grow the food they're like oh I don't cook like I'm achieving like a career and I'm like so we're all just a bunch of welfare recipients you don't even know what agricultural Zone you're in you don't even know what grows In your soil outside so these are the things that I encourage with my work like get off of

welfare like we're all on welfare in some regard right learn how to grow food so that if something happens you know what to do actually make sure that you're Gathering books with true knowledge that you can pass down to to your children like your parents could go out and just like grab a plant my Grandad used to do this when I had like a cut or a burn he knew he Knew the plants that were around that could fix something and I I think that's that truly is the only way that you can achieve Freedom

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Times our grandparents did you know you you a couple Generations ago this these are things that you're your grandparents would have never allowed to happen because they lived through hard times you know you had grandparents that never even put cash in a bank because they They' lived through a time where there was a collapse and you've had the grandparents who always kept hand foods and stashed up on food because they they know that that can happen and so yeah I would say I have an apocalyptic mind it was definitely a reason that I married my

husband because I liked that my husband could hunt talking about that traditional masculinity right like can you go outside and fish and Hunt if the answer is no what are you doing if There's no food like are like what's your plan here I get that you have like a nice Rico Suave suit and you work on Wall Street but like you're pathetic I I can't I always say I evaluate my friends I'm like would they be in our apocalyptic tribe what could they bring to the table sorry that that nice uh Wall Street suit isn't

GNA cut it we actually don't need you here in the forest um you know you you do you do you have a Science mind and the answer for most people is no they know nothing about anything because they just were relying on the experts they don't know basic science so it's it has been a very empowering process for me to realize how little I knew despite the fact that I achieved two college degrees I know no I knew nothing and I made an effort to learn things that actually matter like how to survive on your

own women don't know how to sew Stitch nothing the Amish I've got it all figured out you got to need some Amish neighbors I assume the things that you say you say because you believe that they are accurate and oftentimes even just common sense so why do you think it is that people find you or so many people find you controversial I think I am controversial because I think it's controversial to think now like to have an opinion to ask questions is really controversial I was Actually just speaking about this on my podcast even if

you look at old media pieces from let's call it 20 years ago you were allowed to think people were allowed to present theories like go watch the old Oprah shows it's it's incredible the people that she would have on today she would be called Alex Jones like she could never host those same shows today we've grown increasingly authoritarian as a society and there's sort of been this Implicit nod that you know you should only let the experts do the thinking and you should just do the remembering and I've never been wired that way like I've

always been I I wouldn't even say contrarian but I don't like arbitrary Authority which is to say you need to actually give me an explanation and I would like to process your explanation and see if I accept that explanation before I just mandate that into my Life now um you've warned people against taking a black pill and not believing anything so what what process do you use to figure out what is true well it depends on what the subject is sometimes I am not necessarily saying this person is completely wrong I always should say to

people even when you hear something from me you should go conduct your own research it's very rare actually I don't think I've ever said to someone like definitely believe me like I think probably the most controversial thing I do is I did a series called The Shot in the Dark which is about vaccines and that was just a big no-o before covid I was doing this before covid hit and people really did sort of just trust the doctors because they're doctors I give them the information I give them the links I show them where I'm

learning and I always invite them to learn with me you know so I'm um you know for that particular Series just to jump into that it was actually quite stunning how much money it cost me to be able to access the studies and the medical information like there's an entire cartel where if you want to access a study that's been published you've got to pay like 20 bucks to even access it which is an absolute nonsense if you're going to mandate that everybody take this shot the information should be free and so I did that

because that was something that Was extremely passionate about and I paid for all of those studies and I you know lined it up and said here are the studies that were actually done here are the actual numbers you can do this math yourself so you can at least assess the risk and not just make a decision for your child based on well if your child doesn't do this she's going to die or your child's going to get polio if you don't do this that's that's that's just manipulating people by tactics of fear And not logic

so one of the things you and I share a deep and abiding fear of authoritarian rule one of the things though that I worry about is the reason manipulation works is humans are manipulatable they are always looking for shortcuts uh there's too much information coming at them and so they have to have a rubric for parsing things and right now we're living in the age of um influence influencers where it's like Okay I'm going to pick Candice or I'm going to pick um I mean Fillin the blank and they're going to be the person that

I trust to do the thinking for me how in a world where they're so many narratives to Think Through what are the base assumptions that you would have somebody use if they had to formulate their own opinions knowing that they're not going to have time to do the research that you do yeah so going back to the shot in the dark uh series because that's kind of Probably like I said the most controversial one of the first things that I say to them is just your your gut instinct actually matters it matters you have a

gut instinct for a reason I I call that the god Instinct right there's something that tells you when there's somebody across the street that looks like they're up to no good and you kind of cross the street and you kind of there's just something that comes online I think as a parent where you're like I Don't think I should be doing this and it's incredible for the mothers and fathers who have follow the series how they kept saying like I wasn't comfortable with the amount of shots that my children were getting but then I had

a doctor kind of doing this I say don't ignore that you know if you want to miss this next appointment for your child to get a shot because you you're not sure take a second and try to figure out why you're feeling that so I very Much Believe in Us all having having a Basic Instinct when it comes to danger and I always say to them sort of the second thing is when you raise the fact that you're not sure how are you being spoken to and you find within the vaccine industry it is n

it's nasty I mean they they speak to parents like they're stupid uh they it's completely authoritarian it's not oh yeah no I totally understand what you're saying here let me give you the information so You can read it I want you to here's an easy access page where you can you can see the studies that were done I completely understand you're a first-time parent it's and many times it's anger and it's actually the majority of the times the doctors will will say to a parent well you know if he's not going to get the vaccine

your child can't go here and that then leads you to the ne the next gut instinct which is wait a second did you take the Hypocritic oath aren't you supposed to be like wanting to to save life you're telling me that if I don't do this according to your schedule you're telling me every child is supposed to be the exact same like one size fits all and if I don't do it according to your schedule you won't even let my child go here I'm not talking about parents that don't want to do the vaccines I'm

talking about parents that are like I'd like to do this on a slower schedule Because you know I don't feel comfortable about this many toxins at once so I would say that those things for me I always say that really matters right because if information is real and what they're telling you is honest you're you're not treated like you're an imbecile you're not treated like you're a slave who's speaking to to a master and that process of sharing information is collaborative and so that for me um is Kind of what I would say I think

that's what I always highlight and underscore to them is that when something is real and it actually exists it doesn't feel threatened by you asking a question basic question and I see a study how many kids die of this how many um you know when did we start giving the shot why did we start what is the history of this shot and the truth is is that a lot of times the pediatricians act that way because they don't know the answer Either that's they don't learn and I have friends that are doctors and they say

we don't actually learn this in school we just learn this is what you give the child and here's what you say if the Parents try to defy it so and when you're thinking through something like that that has huge consequences um is there a you have the gut instinct you feel like something is wrong you present the data you're getting feedback from them that doesn't Feel right is it go seek a second opinion is it um go do research um do you have a set of follow along questions that you encourage people to ask so

that they can solve a novel problem that they've never encountered before yes so to go back into how I got into the vaccine thing I was actually injured from a vaccine uh and I thank God for that I was injured from the gardisil vaccine when I was about 19 or 20 years old I had a seizure in the office with the doctor doctor sort of freaked out yeah yeah it was a mini seizure so it was nothing uh thankfully it was nothing that had long lasting effects passed out in the office and I share that

on my first episode I share them I want you to even know why I'm saying this to you because I always like to lay out my biases which the media never does you know they never sayy I'm getting paid from Big Pharma or a doctor Never says hey actually we get Kickbacks for every child that completes the vaccine schedule on time I get a $40,000 check that's also real nobody talks about their incentives so I always I always want to lay out mine right away I was vaccine injured here's how I ended up on this

journey um I trusted the doctor blindly they said this was going to stop me from getting ovarian cancer uh from HPV I knew nothing about I had never even heard of HPV that was a very New STD at the time it wasn't one of the ones that we learned about in high school and I got this shot had this reaction got up and realized I knew nothing and I just trusted a doctor and when I did my research and I learned first and foremost that HPV clears up 97% of the time all by itself and

then I researched the rates of I can't remember if it's ovarian or cervical cancer I think it's um o ovarian cancer that they say that it leads to and then I Researched the rates of ovarian cancer extremely low like it's actually like a rarer form of cancer that has a very high has a higher survival rate and then I researched to see since they started mandating this HPV vaccine you know have we dealt with this particular type of cancer no actually that type of cancer has increased and so I just did the math on all

of it and I wasn't using any Shady websites I was I was using you know cancer.org whatever the main Websites are and I just presented them with those statistics and realized I made a decision where if the doctor had given me all this information as opposed to you're this will stop you from getting cancer which wasn't even an honest portrayal of the facts he probably was getting some sort of a kickback that was a new vaccine I would have made a different decision I just didn't have the information so when I present that I tell

them my backstory I Show them all of these websites my one of the things that I always swear on that particular series like my promise to the followers is I'm never I'm not going to use a shady website I'm not going to find this in a Reddit feed I'm not going to find it on a back Channel I'm going to show you the statistics that are being presented on the CDC website and I'm going to show you how to realize when they're manipulating these statistics like when they're applying it Globally versus in America that stuff

matters right obviously because if you live in a place that doesn't have basic Sanitation it's not a big shock that you're going to have certain diseases like sanitation wipes out certain diseases basic like being able to flush a toilet and wash your hands can change circumstances um and I'll show them the index like the oecd index like these are countries that actually live like us and So we could this is actually a fairer comparative analysis and I always say like I'm not telling you what to do I just don't want you to be like me

and make a decision without having information and once you have that information you feel like you can actually have a conversation with your doctor right so then you can actually go to the quote-unquote expert and say you know actually the the cervical cancer rates have gone up since the shot was And 97% of HPV clears up on its own and and then you're having a conversation you don't feel like you're being you know bullied into the situation and um or feel like you're being left out of the conversation so I'm not into I'm not in

the business of trying to compete with the medical industry I'm just trying to provide parents like an entry way so they can ask basic questions and or or know basic facts before they introduce something into their body Which I think is a right you know so when I look at how complicated the world is the the thing underlying the questions that I'm asking now are I people need when I was growing up for instance you just believed that the experts knew what they were talking about that they had your best interest at heart that they

had done the research uh Co happens and their covid plus social media plus the Twitter files all of that begins to break this sense of I Can trust what people are telling me that they do have my best interests at heart and it starts fragmenting into things like uh the government is lying to you because they want to control you um they're censoring you through social media but not being honest about it um there's all of these base assumptions about the way that the world is that begin to fall apart and do you think that

the world has always been like that and nobody ever had our best interest at Heart or has something actually changed recently and that's why it's it's just we're now seeing it because it's only happening now well again that would that answer would depend on what what topic we're talking about if you're talking about the medical industry on the basis of the research that I have done I would say it has always been I'm talking about vaccines there's always been an industry of lies that relies on fear I I believe That from the bottom of my

heart and the fact that I say okay I'm just a parent for a doctor that writes a piece and says this is dangerous misinformation and I offer them the opportunity to come on my show and debate everything I'm saying like I'm not here to say I don't believe in not having conversation it's the exact opposite in fact I think that a big reason why my audience trusts me so much is because I have the humility to admit when I'm wrong I've many times Pivoted on positions and said okay I reported on this yesterday and then

actually this person showed this and this was this was actually wrong so I want to update that when it comes to the medical industry and and obviously you saw this during Co but I was doing the series before Co when Joe Rogan said hey let's I'll have you on the podcast you're saying that I'm spreading covid misinformation and you're a doctor why don't you speak to this guy who you're Saying has gone Fringe Dr Robert Malone and their answer is no this is the science the science is settled well that should let you know that

it's it's not science right because like if you're telling me that we can't challenge it and we can't you can't explain it and sit next to somebody and say hey let me tell you why that's inaccurate or I see that that study that you pulled up um maybe you're reading it wrong they don't want to do that and there's a reason for That because in my in my viewpoint particularly on the vaccine injury industry it has been about profits from the very beginning and there are so many lies and Mis representations and and coverups you

know some of it is the government made a mistake I mean as an example one of the biggest things that people believe is that you know we eradicated polio because of vaccines that is objectively false uh when we had the huge polio Outbreak and I don't have my notes in front of me I I want to say this was in the 1930s or 40s 1940s I believe the second huge polio outbreak it actually what it was was that diagnostically they were counting anything even if it was temporary paralysis as polio what was causing so many

kids to have tempor paralysis is that they were spraying them with DDT poisoning if you go and you look at what they didn't know obviously at the time that DDT they were Spraying everything from the apples to the animals they were also becoming paralyzed to the children were spraying them with DDT and then what they did was they stopped spraying kids with DDT and then they diagnostically changed definition of polio they got way more specific as they did with covid right um and the numbers completely plummeted they re uh recategorized it into many different things

one of it being Gan bar syndrome and they don't tell you this Stuff and I just show people the videos hey here are the videos here's what DDT DDT poisoning does here are the actual because Daily Mail did a whole piece showing how they just were spraying children in pools and it's it's just dishonesty you know when you can control the definitions and I'll show them an actual book of a person who exposed that and doctors and I'll give them all of the books I always provide links so they can learn about this themselves if

you Eradicated polio and vaccines really did it and you're a doctor and canice is spreading dangerous misinformation wouldn't the first thing you'd want to do would be to come on this show when I give you an open invitation you know I don't want to harm people and it's also the Instinct that tells me as well when and that was something that I said to parents as a mother you would do anything for your kids you have I mean hundreds of thousands of mothers That are taking to the streets from different backgrounds right you got different

races different backgrounds different uh socioeconomic classes all saying the same thing my kid was fine until this what incentive does a does a mother have to join a protest you're treated like a pariah when you're antia you're telling me they just doing this for attention holding photos of their children who they say were injured children who they say who they said died And then you know people personally who went through this whose children were advancing and then got a shot and then were never the same and so it's the the tremendous gaslighting on top of

it now that I am a parent it's it's it's insane to say to a parent well your child was always like that and then you I know they were laughing and giggling and making eye contact and suddenly they're not but that was just like something genetically that went off and and that Is why it's even more important to me that parents get educated about these decisions that they're making because big farmer will hold your hand to get you to take the thing but if something happens to your child they'll just stop answering your phone calls

they they'll totally Gaslight you and tell you that they had nothing to do with it that the nine shots that you brought them in for has nothing to do with it so I mean that's where I come from and again if I Was shutting down speech and I was saying don't speak to your doctors and I was saying don't ever have a debate about it then I would recommend my audience stop listening to me so when I hear stuff like that the thing that makes me nervous is you're taking something uh I think you prize

gut instinct in a way that I for instance don't I'm just one guy so whatever but um you have said I left the mega church of science Behind what do you replace that with though because the thing that scares me is going like I get it I think people should be able to ask questions and what freaked me out during covid was when they were shutting people down that were asking questions and my thing is hey a assume that the vast majority of the people asking questions are wrong and dumb but you still need to

let these ideas be challenged otherwise we're never actually going to be able to find Out what's true but what I worry about is that we'll start playing fast and loose with this feels right and because the science has lied has tried to silence people that now we're just what alcohol shooting from the hip with my gut tells me something's wrong my gut tells me that vaccines don't work but what do you replace like if you don't have faith in science how do we validate our instincts yeah so I want to be clear When I say

that I've left the mega church of science what I mean by that is for many people it has become a blind faith and they will disregard everything that they're seeing and just go okay well Dr fouchy said it so it must be true that's a faith I mean that to me that's a part of the human agenda and I'm I am just not wired that way regarding saying go with your gut instinct I don't say just go with your gut instinct I say don't Ignore your gut instinct right and so if you're not ignoring your

gut instinct and something says to you I don't feel comfortable with my child who has just been out of the womb for three seconds and I'm being told by a doctor that he needs the hepb vaccine which hepb is in an STD that just doesn't that right there you should instantly go if my child's going to get he BMS hospital I'm in the I'm in the wrong Hospital right and that is the Instinct you hear so Many moms say that like they're just telling you now your child is born wrong like they need Vitamin K

3 seconds out they need a hey they need this they need that the circumcision whatever it is your if your gut is telling you that doesn't feel right listen to that gut and then find the information like learn the information and know that what they're selling you in the hospital like you shouldn't be making these sorts of decisions Under Fire and under duress Cuz that's what it is you are under duress when you have someone that is saying to you as the pediatrician in the hospital said to me that my daughter would die if I

didn't get the shot this shot and I I obviously she had no idea who I was she was messing with the complete wrong parent and I I gave her a lecture I said you know how dare you how dare you I mean I'm lucky that I'm married I'm lucky that I'm not a woman that is vulnerable enough to respond to That and then said I get very angry and I walked out of the hospital with my baby and my beautiful non backed 2-year-old daughter my non-bed three-year-old son perfectly healthy I mean the girl I think

she didn't even get so much as a sniffles for the first year of life I think just despite the pediatrician but I mean how dare you how dare you use that language to a mother she's going to die if you don't do this that's that's not science that's a Threat and I understand and I explain to the parents the financial metrics as well because there are Financial incentives they do get bonuses on the basis of what whether or not they complete your child getting vaccines on time from the insurance companies that's problematic and so like

I said I'm not a person that says just go with your gut at all times but I do say do not ignore your gut and I do believe and because I I come from the Church of God that your Gut instinct is divine especially for mothers there is there is a spiritual bond and a a and a spiritual women's intuition you hear people talk about the women's intuition all the time and that comes into hyperfocus when you become a mom like when they say moms have eyes in the back of their heads it's like a

thing like your child is always connected to the umbilical cord and I will say to my husband I just get a vibe from that person he's what are You talking about I only it's the vibe I don't want my K around them like has done anything bad Vibe right so you could say well that's completely illogical the person it's a Vibe and then typically now not my husband and I have been married for 5 years he's amazed he's like how right those inclinations those inclinations tend to be when it comes to my children and so

like I said just don't don't discount it you don't have to say fully rely on this And then don't go pursue any information because that would be ridiculous too but don't throw away your gut and I think that the big Pharma industry is trying to persuade people to ignore every single one of their gut instincts and to just submit themselves to the Church of science or as CS Lewis termed it um scientism I love the idea of of using your gut instinct as an alarm what I tell people is uh your gut is the subconscious

way of your body speaking To you so the body's pulling God knows how many data points your literal microbiome is speaking to you your past experience is speaking to you uh whatever evolutionary systems that we have uh all of those things are are trying to say something in a rapid language which is the language of emotion so you feel something I think that's very wise what I'm trying to track down and you are a fascinating individual because you talk about gut Instinct and being a parent and how that changes you but you're also extremely uh

rhetorically gifted and you can put things into logical arguments and you can attack things Point by point so what I'm trying to get people when they look at you because I I look at you and I see somebody that uh your popularity signals to me that you are saying something that people believes needs to be said and has not been said and so now I'm trying to figure out what Is that thing that you're saying that people aren't reading I come to I think you have a world view something I call frame of reference that

gives you a a path that you can walk down when something seems wrong to then come back from emotion and give people a rhetorical argument that they can use as a shortcut to live their life okay so put a pin in that that's that's how I see you but now I want to know when you say something like hey you need to trust Your gut I'm on board but what you'll then what I hear you saying is then go do research gut tells you alarm it's a move away alarm but now you need to do

something so you're going to need to move towards something what is that thing go do research but now when you're doing the research you have to trust some data so how do how do people know what data to trust well so again it depends on the subject and so to make the data that I trust let Rather because you've said that now a couple times I want to make sure I zoom in on that so it what if you were to step back and say um regardless of subject here is how I approach into this

at a foundational level so for me uh I'll say it's uh I look at your frame of reference is beliefs and values biology is thrown in there but that'll confuse this moment so what you believe to be true about the world is going to inform every piece of Data that you read so for instance I think you tell me if this is wrong I think you have a belief that the government lies to you that they have an agenda uh to rule over you they need to keep you dumb shorthand so please by all means

if that doesn't feel accurate chime in that's right that so that belief then is going to guide where you go for sources of data so for instance I think you're going to rely on spirituality a lot you're going to point People to the Bible for help in these kinds of decisions and that sequence of how you approach those problems is the thing I'm trying to tease out because people will often shut you down in their own minds because they hear a controversial headline and then they shut off but if my hope is that I can

figure out what those bricks are that you use to build the foundation of your worldview that allow you to not be trapped by a narrative that you think is BS in a way that so many people get trapped actually no so I don't actually go straight to the Bible we actually live in a society where people don't implicitly trust the Bible right that to them if I if I went down that path I don't think that I would have had the following that I have today I always end up at the Bible that's that's definitely

not the first step that I take actually what I do to make sure that the information that I have is quote unquote Foolproof is I intentionally go pursue the experts so like I said to you my entire series of a shot in the dark I'm pulling data from the CDC I'm I'm getting files from the CDC from when they back from when they had to scan everything in I'm buying I'm like they're telling you to trust the experts they're just not showing you what the experts said so I'll give you a perfect example the tetanus

shot that's one parents like oh what about the tnis shop My husband even when I came to him and I don't want to back for children he was like but at least the T the the tnis shop that's a big one and so I went and found the information and you know they the big they know that most people don't read beyond the first paragraph you need a tetna shot because blah blah and burried in is the data so every child in America has to get tetna shot and then I found this remarkable statistic and

this is from the CDC website so I'll ask you The question how many people do you think when tetanus was at its peak in America okay people were being affected with tetanus at its peak before they rolled out the vaccine how many people do you think in America were getting tennis and I'll give you just so you know just to give life getting tetanus per year so there were approximately 150 million Americans at that time how many people do you think were getting tetnus not dying from It but getting it 3% 550 Americans that's low

it's shocking it's absolutely shocking and it's on the CDC website so it's not this nothing that can be disputed and then you look into tetnus you learn more about it and what was going on around World War II was people were not just not cleaning wounds accurately and guess what still that's people that were getting it not even Dying of it like I mean it's like it's it's such a nonsense and still people who are drug users get tetanus right that's still it's still we I think about 15 people a year die from tetus whatever

it is and they're drug abusers because their their wounds are infect are becoming infected and festering and and you can die from tetanus and so the fact that it's a shocking thing for a parent to learn that because you assume everyone must have just been dropping Dead in order for your child to be mandated to get this shot 12 times and it's a combo shot it's it's Tdap or a DTaP depending on the age of the person but you would just assume that more people had to have been dying during the peak now where did

I get that information from I got that from the AMA right so that's this is the CDC the AMA I show them the charts which show people the peak incidents in the United States like the most people that died in what Year the most people that were infected in what year and this the chart is stunning because even looking at that measles chickenpox you just assume that it had to have been everybody for them to mandate this and that just isn't show so so I start with this Instinct that okay yeah I don't know these

shots are getting a little crazy I say when I was a kid like and you can and you can use by the way also your own reference for example when I grew up we just had Chickenpox parties they just threw us all in the room you got chickenpox right and I don't remember a single kid and this I say to parents don't forget your common sense here right do you remember a single kid going around and being like Johnny died last night at chickenpox no you just remember that somebody got happy when you heard some

of chickenpox and it meant that you were all getting in a room together talk to kids today about chickenpox they think it's like Like polio they're just like we're all going to die like no we have to to get the verella because there's a vaccine for that now which they rolled out I think in 2005 and you speak to that generation and they literally think they're all going to die from vericella so you apply that logic to how we know that chickenpox was not that big of a deal and you go okay have they just

been like continually doing this like scaring the Next Generation into thinking that This was like some horrible illness everybody was dying from and that just wasn't so and then I go and I look at the statistics of how people were dying and you're just like what is this and then I'd tell people here was your chance of dying when there was no vaccine at all from chickenpox and always works out to like you had a 0 percent chance right if we we round it it's a 0% and that chart and the CDC chart and the

AMA chart genuinely shocks Parents and that they never dispute it because it's real they can't take it away it's like it exists and so you realize that so much of this is fear and then I take them through what would happen if you actually got chickenpox right and I explain to them like we got it like you promise you like it was like it was itchy but really everyone got it and you kind of just like dealt with that and um of course there's always something that Can go wrong it's it's the world is weird

can there be a person who gets chickenpox and they die yeah sure but generally speaking kids are pretty robust it's the older people that you kind of kind of have to worry about right kids have the best immune systems they they bounce back from things the most and then there's like the scary things that nobody speaks about that I speak about my podcast which is that and and of course you're going to say and it Is true to say that you know can't necessarily say that it's it's correlation but the explosion of Childhood Cancer directly

coincides with the explosion of childhood vaccines and I show them that all of these kids getting leukemia I mean what is leukemia childhood leukemia it's it's all of these autoimmune type diseases are it's a huge question mark that I have and of course I cannot verify that I am not a person that can verify that but I can Say that I don't think it's normal for three-year-olds to get leukemia and the fact that we they won't even discuss this data the fact the fact that they won't even discuss this perfectly paralleled incidence of childhood cancers

and the explosion of vaccines after Reagan removed the ability to sue for um uh reactions right just makes me and then that's the explosion of vaccines like coincides with oh we can no longer get sued for them right it Just leads you to asking a lot of questions because then we are America we are the west then it becomes a market people are selling these drugs because they're making money and I don't think that they're doing this because they're trying to make children healthier that's another thing that's common sense I look around today and I'm

like okay so like when I was a kid we got eight vaccines like when my mom was a kid they got two vaccines kids today are getting 75 Vaccines where are the results do these kids look healthier to you everybody's kid is allergic to tree nuts and peanuts and and walls and air and my child can't go outside cuz oxygen and I'm like these kids are like never been more sick I look at my grandfather's generation I'm like they just they they weren't this sick so some of that is common sense yes and these are

the what I do in my first episode I like here are my like Common Sense questions as a mom that I just Like to know and here are here's the thing that happened to me here's the event and then I put all that and I look at the data and I just go okay um my children are not going to get vaccines and I now have three children and none of them are backed and all of them are healthy and I don't worry about them dying in in a cot of uh sudden infant death syndrome

which I believe can is attributable to vaccines and based on the research that was done About the DAP vaccine and within a couple of days children dying and then suddenly big Pharma goes oh it's because kids are sleeping on their stomachs I kids have been sleeping on their stomachs since the beginning of time I think that's that's the kind of stuff where they've created a problem and then blame the parents for the problem that they created what do you attribute the Dramatic increase in lifespan too though basic sanitation I mean when you look at um

one what did you say one shot one kill yeah so sanitation cuz I so I'm running everything you're saying I when I say I am not a vaccine guy I am not a vaccine guy uh but meaning I know nothing about it so uh in still trying to parse how you view the world and how you sift through something obviously hearing this I know a lot of people are Going to um say all the points she's making they're easy to debunk um and Tom just doesn't know enough to push back on this stuff so I

want to be clear about I'm trying to get to the underlying decision-making process here um so I look at the world and I say okay um at some point in the not too distant past we solved for something because we have dramatically increased lifespan but at some point in the even more recent past something has happened because lifespan Is now going in the wrong direction my thing is I don't think we know the answer I don't think the studies have been done I very much doubt that we have the data uh so I worry I

think this is our our big problem in society everybody is looking for a rule of thumb by which they can live their life this is why I think religion has worked so well it is a book of rules of thumb of what to do in certain circumstances and all told to you by God and so therefore Nothing to question just do it and you'll be better off and they had so much wisdom right that it lasted and now we're at a point where we're we're seeing all of these narratives begin to break down people even

myself I I legitimately just wanted my podcast to be something that helped people when Co hit I started doing Financial content to be able to help people because I thought they were going to get obliterated then I realized we're doing something called Money Printing and I'm like what's money Printing and so I start looking at that and I realize whoa like this is money in and of itself is not what I thought it was the government is not dealing honestly with the people and then I was like do they even understand like how all of

this stuff works some of them probably but some of them probably not and so now it's like okay hold on we live in this very complicated world and people want very simple rules of thumb That they can follow and we're living in a moment where all of the old rules of thumb are falling apart and probably for good reason because something is going wrong but I worry that to quote you like don't become so blackpilled that you buy into every conspiracy and so whether it's Pro vaccination is a conspiracy fine like I don't care but

what I'm saying is what do we do in this moment where everything is thrown up into the Air do you not worry that this the destabilization of people's world's view people's World Views is more dangerous than an incorrect but useful worldview yeah I mean you're asking the question is it better for us to have a matrix established for us which people plug in to and they kind of really don't ask further questions because it's easier than dealing with the plausibility that you know everything's kind of a lie and there's kind of just People that understand

that I mean when you're talking about the finance and the money markets and things of that nature yeah I mean we could ask some very big questions about that but yeah when you learn the more you learn about history and you learn about things that we were lied about or intentionally omitted from the historical script then you start to realize that public education actually exists to insert you into and I'm obviously using this colloquially uh The Matrix yeah you you do start to go okay is it good to to so to speak fall down the

rabbit hole and and to recognize that a lot of this is elcer and that's a question I think people have to ask themselves you know I think for me in mind started really kind of with something small ended up being big which was me realizing that as a black person I was kind of being inerted into a Certain political narrative and that I was intentionally lied to a lot and that those lies Were Meant to make me intentionally hate white people right that was kind of the first drop where I went okay this is a

lot of this is lies and I researched things and realized that I was lied to systematically like textbooks were even kind of training me to believe a certain thing TR I mean schools exist to plug you into the financial system right and if you don't Do research beyond what you learn in school you're going to plug yourself in one way or the other and you do I think suffer from from a period of cognitive dissonance I certainly did and um especially because I was so there aren't many people in America that were speaking out against

black lives matter as a black person right and you're dealing with an onslaught of people who are calling you names again that authoritarian approach Where they're not actually answering the questions or the data that you're bringing up they're just kind of saying like you're a self-hating black person or you're antix or you're transf there's always a name for everything when you start asking meaningful questions and I think for a lot of people they don't want to do that you don't want to step out because there is a there's a safety in just going along with

the script there is uh I think that That for a lot of people is not something they're willing to do when it comes to their children and so that's a part of the reason why we're seeing so much fraying because we're arriving at Concepts that have very serious implications in terms of Co maybe people were happy to do it for themselves then when they talking about giving the co shot to children and then that fractured relationships between parents and the state right there when they felt like They were had to like fight for their kids

depending on where you live where do you live Tom La I was going to say California huge State tons of moms emailing me from there you know in La he's just signed a bill they can transition your child and you can't do anything about it maybe you support transgenderism that's fine but if you don't and the state decides to to take your child away that's a very big it's a very big deal right if you get no No no no I don't think my child is transgendered so yeah I think we're arriving at a moment

right now where the state has sort of made enough incursions into people's lives that that question of whether or not you're going to keep just going along with the narrative or if you're going to accept that maybe not everything is as you thought it was is now and that that truly is going to be an individual decision yes Um who is lying to us and why well I mean the government's lying to you obviously because the government wants to make sure that they can control Society that's that's a no-brainer that the government has an interest

in controlling you of course that's how you how they feel that they can maintain things and also accomplish whatever their goals are as a state and this is when you get into what people think can can think as a conspiracy when You're talking about an Elite Class of people and I have recently been doing deep dives into American history because um some my my husband's British and I was speaking to some priests in the UK and they sort of looked at me like I was a complete idiot and he was like me Americans just don't

know anything about history they don't even know that their country was founded by Freemasons and then I started reading all these books all these Freemason Groups and I just realized I know nothing about history nothing about how America was established so put it all together for everybody what for people that follow you uh listen to you to make sense of the world what is your 30-second button on how to move forward well uh first and foremost uh follow your intuition like believe like that that means something I do believe that the intuition is God don't

be a person that accepts the idea that you should Ignore it at all times in favor of someone else's command or demand let that be your guide as you pursue information remember that you have the right to think you have the right to question you have the right to change your mind is almost the thing that I want to say is most important you you have the right to have been in one place before and examined intuition plus facts and come out the other side of it and you can change your mind that's Something that

people are very scared to do all the time and you know I guess the last thing that I would say is to really cherish to realize that the best guard that you have against a lot of this stuff is a a strong family I really do believe that every blessing that is in my life today is because I have realized how sacred and how important having a strong functional family unit is it in a family unit and with faith at the Center is almost unshakable and a lot of these concerns and worries and anxieties that

you have really do subside because you know that despite all of the outside noise what you cultivate on the inside is what actually matters I Love It Candace own thank you very much for joining me where can people follow along with you oh I guess you can find me anywhere don't believe what they say about me on Wikipedia it's all Lies you can find me on YouTube Spotify Apple wherever you listen it's called the Candace show and we dive into so many different topics you'll never get bored I think somebody once wrote in hitpiece about

me and I really appreciated it they called it conser a gumbo I quite liked that nice you never know what you're going to get too true all right everybody if you haven't already be sure to subscribe and until next time my Friends be legendary take care peace if you like this conversation check out this episode to learn more first off the um the financial cliff that were rapidly driving off uh is is pretty terrifying um there you know it's not just the $35 trillion in debt or the fact that um that interest