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Foreign [Music] what's going on everybody welcome back to the real bodybuilding podcast episode number 67 and I am here with the much requested Jordan Peters how are you sir I'm very well thank you for having me I asked you before the before you got on uh while you're sitting in the dark maybe you want to explain to everybody I I'm not really sure I like being in the dark um especially after I've trained I can then relax a lot more and unwind a lot more if I'm sitting in just a dark cool room is it

is it because of your training because your training is really intense and I'm imagining you probably need to calm down after that or is that genuinely yes um but even when I'm training as well Like when we go in there and let's say we go upstairs and there's no one on no one out there I Turn All the Lights Off really yeah it's a nice strange habit of mine obviously we've got the natural light coming in but yeah like I I I don't like artificial light that much all right well it's good man whatever whatever

you like um so I wanted to get you on because you are you seem to be the authority on all things training and nutrition and I wanted to just kind of delve into the X's and O's usually the real bodybuilding podcast is more about kind of who the person is and we might get into some of that but I feel like people really really want to tap into your uh training nutrition knowledge so are you okay if we just start with our X's and O's absolutely buddy yeah whatever you want um okay so first thing

we're gonna do Because it come up on the on our most recent podcast that I did was um we'll start with training because one of the things that came up was um training volume and how much is too much and how much is too much during your workout and how many sets should be to failure and how many sales should be working sets and all this type of stuff sure so I know it seems kind of remedial but at The same time you know I had guy sister Nino on who's a seven-time Olympian and he

is adamant that really it's the only way for him to train is to do like every set to failure sure but he's also notorious for injury and all these other things so I was trying to explain to him that maybe pulling back would help so I guess I'm asking where's your mind on that type of on that question there So for me volume is dictated initially by frequency so if I'm training or I'm aiming to train something more frequently then the amount of kind of work that I'm going to expose that muscle to in that

individual sitting is going to be limited by kind of how many sleeps I get until I'm wanting to hit that muscle group again there are some things that I train at extremely high frequency and then as a result I train them at really low volumes and biceps For example myself I train three times over like six days okay then each time I expose myself to training my biceps I'm only doing two or three sets okay and that's my bicep training Okay so but can I can I delve into more of what those two sets are

before we get into we'll go back a bit and explain that part but I just let's pinpoint one thing so let's say when we're talking about let's say you chest yes and let's say you say to me fluad I Do I do nine sets for chest sure are all nine of those sets working or failure sets um for me to kind of answer that I would have to scale back the number from nine so like let's say for example for me I I would I would only do five sets for chess um and then when

it's as low as that all five of those sets would be to failure yes Um would all five be Beyond failure no that would be dependent on my kind of recovery capabilities at the time um if my recovery is really really good out of those out of those five sets maybe two would be Beyond failure okay so we should probably establish the definitions first so when I say when I say uh failure you you're saying Beyond failure I think we mean the same thing um what my my definition of failure is That I can't complete

a rep on my own okay um so at that point if someone comes hands on the bar that is then a full strap and that is going Beyond failure okay so I will only have someone come hands on to a set if I know that I can recover from that additional stimulus that I'm about to expose myself to okay my conditions and as to when I allow that to happen are pretty strict Um so like I'll know precisely how first of all if I'm going to let someone touch me or touch the way and then

how many times I'm going to let them do that um so there's going to be a real specific instruction to the spotter as to exactly what is going on at each set um so I for training see it's really strange like for all other aspects of my life I I'm really kind of like laid back and Chilled and for training I have to control every single aspect so meticulously um for me to bring out a standardized things and to ensure progression okay so um yeah so like sort of say I'm doing five sets uh and

a couple of those might be to be on failure um those five sets are always I'm Hoping for are going to be creating a novel stimulus in the sense that they'll be doing something that I haven't ever done before okay so let me let me delve into those five sets so if you're doing chest how many first let's explain how many exercises are you doing for chess um probably three okay can you name the three um so let's say at the moment I'm doing An incline Smith press or sorry an incline like machine press and

then I'm doing a high incline Smith press and then I'm doing an isolation movement so let's so let's take the first one so you're doing it you said uh incline Smith Press I think or in Cloud machine press yes okay incline machine press so let's say the first one you do an incline machine press your how many failure and how many Beyond failure for that exercise so the First exercise never be on failure never be on failure but you will get the failure I will I will fail on the first exercise but the first exercise

of a session I will never go beyond failure because then the ramifications that will have on the sets that follow it because Beyond failure work is just so disruptive and then you can't effectively assert yourself through the rest of the session if you've gone beyond failure in Your first exercise you're going to really limit your ability to progress your kind of second movement your third movement okay so what I'm trying to get at is how many sets in that first exercise are you doing in total and then the last set is failure about how many

come before that sorry uh you Kyle slowly you're gonna say that again buddy so the last set of the first exercise is to failure but how Many sets come before that so I for me preparing for my failure sets yeah I don't count those no no I know that but but I want to know what how you prepare okay so let's say for example I'm using like uh the prime incline press at the moment that's my favorite machine and my work set at the moment is like just over five Place aside so I'll come in

I'll do one player side I'll do 10 reps I'll then do one and a half plates aside And I'll do eight reps I'll then do two plates aside I'll do five reps two and a half for three reps three plates two reps three and a half for a rep four plates for a rep four and a half plates for a rep now my body is totally prepared to work without wasting any energy I'm at no risk of injury because I've done that I know six seven preparation sets yeah and then everything is then in position

to attack that first work set right and then the Goal of that first work set is to do something on that machine that I have never done before so that could just be a pound aside additional okay so every time I get on that machine I am looking to do like half a pound or a pound more and then every now and again I might rather get a rep as well yeah and then I'm just making these small incremental increases and then over six months I've put half a plate on that lift yeah and then

over 12 months I put a plate on That lift yeah if I get to a point where that lift stools and I cannot get it going anymore don't lift changes but I can probably stay on a lift for six seven months and just make small changes small changes small changes every single time I'm exposing it to something it's never ever done before that novel stimulus forces a novel adaptation it's interesting it's interesting that your progression you know when people talk about Progressive overload it's it's interesting that your progression can be one pound and that's okay

with you that is you know what buddy if I get a pound I'm happy that's still done when I've been doing this as long as I have all I've got to do is just take that box yeah I've got to make sure that my form is standardized that's important because I don't just want to get that pound by creating a mechanical advantage by speeding up my eccentrics like creating More stretch reflex in the hole so that's important too um that's more important actually that's that's more important than the pound because the pound is the external

stimulus of course if we don't create an equal internal stimulus from that increasing weight we've we because we're not we're not weight lifters we're not moving away we're just using weight as a stall as a tool to create a greater internal stimulus and that's also where Progressive overload has been so misconstrued because people are just thinking add more weight add more weight add more weight and they're doing it in such a poor manner um you all if you watch the way that I lift you will very rarely see poor form yeah and control the lifts

very very very well and and that's I'm so strict on that yeah I think it's actually it's a very very important point that nobody has ever made or that I've heard anybody ever Make because everybody talks about having a log book and everybody says oh your logbook's got to be five pounds heavier or whatever whatever poundage It's gotta be the pound has got to go up every week but no one ever says did your poundage go up because you squatted a little faster that day or or you sprung out of the hole a little more

than the week before or no one ever takes that in consideration they just think I got that Extra five pounds and I think I think what you're saying is uh very important to make sure your form is the same every time yeah so go ahead if I if I know that I have got a rep more from kind of basically treating myself I'll be really annoyed at myself yeah and especially as what you have to do as well as we start to get closer to failure that's really when we have to hone in even more

on our accuracy because at that point our Body's trying to grab every well we want our body to grab every single muscle fiber that it can however our body is going to be trying to create mechanical advantages at that point because it's an official machine it wants to make things easier so in those last reps that's where we need to be even more accurate and we need to be thinking to ourselves like when I'm training with current I'll use the queue of like lock yourself in like like imagine that your whole the Only one thing

is moving yeah and that's the target muscle and it's it's hard to do it's a skill it takes time yeah um and then some bodybuilders that I trained with have just a phenomenal ability to do that better than others yeah like SAS for example um status says one of the most you you're familiar assassins yeah yeah yeah yeah Amazing physique honestly I've never seen someone just pick up a weight and connect with it the way he does yeah so it's just perfect contraction rep after rep after rep after rep we're getting a little bit off

topic but let me ask you based on that there are days when I go to the gym when I it's almost like I can feel every fiber moving with a rep and there are days when I go to the gym where it's an A to Z And I can't feel like the other day I was and the reason I said that is like just a week ago I was hack squatting and it felt so weird I wasn't doing any weight that was crazy or anything sure but I could feel every fiber in my quad firing

through the entire range of the rep and I was like this feels incredible but it's something that doesn't happen all the time sure and is that something that you get or if you honed your body to the Point where you're able to connect all the time no I I it happens a lot but I don't dwell too much on sensation okay I know that if I am like sensation is is nice feedback but I just see that it's just nice like you said it's it's when you feel like oh that was cool but it's not

something I overly dwell on I know that if I am controlling my body in the way that I should I'm controlling my eccentrics I'm controlling my changes of Direction then the only thing that can Be doing the work is the musculature nothing else can be but the reason the reason I'm dwelling on it though is not because I just want to feel good the reason I would be dwelling on the reason I I made a point of it is because do you think there's anything more to it or do you think it's just a sensation

I think it's just a sensation honestly yes okay and and the reason why I'm confident in that is that for the first part of kind of my bodybuilding career personally and Then my kind of coaching career I was able to make a lot of progress and able to make others make a lot of progress without emphasizing as much of an internal stimulus as I do now so it was even more in the beginning phase of just moved away and that's still really really works but then when you take that and then you combine it with

perfect accuracy that's when growth occurs and then sometimes you get rate sensation and sometimes you don't and I don't Dwell on the sensation aspect over them so you don't think feel because I always tell people if you can't and I and I understand what you're saying if you've if you're if you're in a squatting position your form is good and you're going from A to B and back there's only some certain muscles that can do that so in that in that Essence feeling doesn't matter but to me I tell people like I always use the

phrase if you can't feel it it's not Working and I know that's and I know that's a little bit you know it's very Vanishing I think that's really important when you're teaching people to haven't been able to tap into muscles that they are trying to grow like if someone has a stubborn body part I think them learning how a contraction feels yeah is it important but once we start to get strong at something we've got too much going on in that moment to then focus on sensation yeah Okay like really like when you've done your

best hack squat work now you know where the form was perfect yeah like so let's say like your strongest hack like you've ever done yeah I can't imagine then that you were concentrating much on the sensation no and the way you put it now makes complete sense when you're learning when you're learning to train a muscle to feel is more important than when you've actually learned to train the Muscle I think so I think so I think again some I know some people will probably disagree with that even still but I think that we're definitely

on to something there if someone can feel they're Contracting things um okay so let's go back so you're doing the incline Smith Press you've done all those uh feeders I call them feeder sets when you do that yeah um and then you did your one failure set that's your working set that's your Failure set and now that's it you move on from there um on a particular exercise there will probably be two steps okay um so then I'll then either go up or down in weight based on how I feel okay so I'll know that

let's say I'm aiming for like five to eight reps on my first set yeah um and if I feel really really good that day and I'm like okay everything feels safe I might go up yeah and I might take like a four to five rapper Um if I don't feel that great that day in terms of just safety I'll go down and then maybe take like an 8 to 12 reply okay and again that will be that'll be to failure so just so people know you may do like six sets but only two of them

are working yeah okay okay everything else is just feeling out the way and this is what I was trying to get a get across the guy when we were talking about it Because guy would do all the sets you talked about but he will do pretty much failure on everyone yes that's just I I think that's such an inefficient way to train I think he's wasting energy well not only that but not only that you've picked three exercises whereas guy for chest I think he said he does like six so I'm like so the volume

is like drastically High crazy hot like it's obviously really hard to critique Because he's got a phenomenal physique if his physique is way better than Mike can I uh before before you go on I'm sorry can I just preface this with I love guy this isn't not a knock on time I'm only using an example yeah yeah I'm only using guys an example because we just talked about this on the podcast it's fresh in the listeners Minds like I'd be super intrigued to take someone like guy that's doing that in his fashion and to see

whether I could get Him to grow more than he has in the last two to three years by implementing some of the strategies that I would use where I would make him preserve all of his energy in his early sets to make sure then that he has as much pound because he's a strong guy as well well his his point in in a valid point I would have been trying to stop getting injured that's what his point was and I'm kind of in the same boat right he says to me he says to me look

if I scale back on All those early sets and save everything for the end I'm going to end up dumbbell pressing 200 pound dumbbells yeah definitely I'm going to tear my Peck so at some point yeah I think we all have to concede that we can't do that like there's gonna be a I know for sure that I'm getting closer to that all the time where I will then have to do like 10 reps 10 reps 10 reps 10 reps so then I'm just not lifting anything close to where I am now yeah And then

if you kind of previously trained the way I do where then you've built your muscle through like you have your poundages at that point you're then gonna also have to concede that you're probably not going to build any more new muscle at what point because when when you can't expose your body to a novel stimulus so why is it gonna why is it going to create a novel adaptation so when you can't add like one more Pound then you're you're pretty much conceding that I can't add it not not definitely because obviously there are other

ways that we can kind of create overload we can decrease our rest periods um but mechanical tension is the biggest driver of hypertrophy and I know that I have built all of the Density I have from lifting the way that I do and I know for me that once I can't continue to train in that way I will start to downsize okay okay so excited though is obviously as hard as I can but it'll be an inevitability that's coming yeah we all fight it as long as possible so okay so let's move on to the

rest of the workout because there are a lot of young guys who aren't worried about Getting injured watching this sure and I'm trying to help them uh put on as much muscle as possible because I see a lot of people doing what guy does they'll go in and if somebody says do four sets for this exercise they're usually doing four straight sets they're not sure they're not building up to anything sure after the first exercise you go to the second exercise what would that exercise be um so let's say that was either the Smith or

the incline machine price the second one will be the other the other variation so then on this one I don't have to warm up to the same degree I'm already really pretty warm but I still want to feel that exercise out so let's say this one's on five plates again I might Chuck three on and just do a rep okay just one rep and then three and a half one rep four one rep and I'm like okay I'm in the groove with this I feel pretty good right let's get five plates And let's go to

work okay well I will always always do something lighter for one or two reps just to make sure there's no way I would get off the first exercise and go straight into my first work set without feeling it and just making sure that I'm I'm good I know where I'm at yeah and I'm also mentally ready to work because for me those feeler sets feeder says they're a mental preparation also yeah because those work sets I'm I'm doing they're they're in my Head they are what stands between myself and progress so I put so much

emphasis onto each individual set it's not just for me training isn't just about going in and just going through the motions it's every single set is like a a chance to create a personal victory that's so crazy I I've never I mean the way you talk about training is not normal I know I know it's not it's not I Know but but no but it's it's I gotta tell you man it's inspiring because I've gone to train and I and I love to train I love to go to failure and I love to push my

body everybody says you know I want to push my body past its limit but you're actually doing it like you're actively saying to yourself every single set I'm pushing my body past its previous limit yes uh like I said it's I'm an individual that is obsessed with progress and it's it's like I said it's an opportunity for me to CR so I've basically created like a reward system in my head where I have to win the set I have to win the personal battle and I can't concede that if if if I [ __ ]

upsets what happens let's say let's say okay so how many sets for that second exercise are you gonna do two two and one would probably be Beyond failure Um yes they're probably the second one yes okay so let's say you go home that night and you did those two sets and neither one of them was better than the week before in any way shape or form it would not be out of my mind for days really you just hang on you just hang on to it yes I hang on to it until I'm about to

repeat that exercise and I remind myself of that feeling that I Felt after that last exercise so that to the point where I will be there and I will be saying to myself come on you [ __ ] don't feel that again like do not feel that again do you attribute you know you're crazy right no but I love it I love it it's I think you're nuts but I think it's incredible like it's in a good way but um do you attribute Olive because you're a Massive guy like I should show people like people

who don't know who you are uh I should show people first what you look like so these are some of your clients uh these are some of your lists I don't post very many progress shots myself it's probably been a while but I know you have posted there'll be some there yeah I just I don't remember when I know you posted you used to post something I posted like a mirror shot not so long Ago like is this you on stage no that's not yeah that was 2016 though so you can kind of see what

he looks like here you look incredibly massive like this is 47 at five foot six yeah that's big man like that's real and the reason I want to show people yeah there's one up there's one further up on the right that was a a fairly Good Rear double bicep on the right that's incredible look at the slab of muscle man that's like Okay so the reason I want to do this is not just a fanboy the reason I wanted to the reason I want to do this is to show to ask you a question yes

do you because this question comes up all the time and this this is a common theme now in social media do you attribute this these slabs of muscle this the density to too heavyweight yes I I just don't you for guys that are that are incredibly strong you will see this density only in those people Um but you but you trained yourself to be that strong like I think anybody can be I mean I mean strong is relative to that person right but I think sure of course I think anybody can train themselves to be

strong if you took me for example when I started and you said hey you got to put one pound on the bar every time you left I would eventually get strong oh yeah like but I Never trained for that because I didn't have that in my mind I wasn't like I got to put one pound on the bar sure I would be like I gotta put a quarter on the bar I got to put a 10 pounder on the bar let's say the uh you did create that reward system in your mind knowing that also

you are an individual that is also obsessed with progress I I see in everything that you do yeah I bet you'd get very [ __ ] good at it yeah but that's my point I'm Wondering if anybody what I'm trying to get at is a couple things one people say that you can get big without being strong which I I don't agree with um and two or without lifting heavy weight which I don't agree with sure and um and two I feel like with your system anybody can be strong obviously some are going to be

stronger than others but anybody can be strong if they trained the way you just told me Without a doubt yes because I would always do like let's say um let's say I'm doing bench and I would get the four plates if I can't do four and a quarter I just stay at four plates nobody ever said to me hey let's put 401 on the bar yeah you know what I mean so I think even to the example buddy that when I go when I do go to other gyms I have my little one pound plates

in my gym bag with me just in case they don't have them in the Gym because there's no way I'm not taking my progress that day so my progress is coming with me that's in the bag incredible incredible so now you know one of the questions I wanted to ask you that's a very like redundant question is how did you get so strong and we've kind of answered it without me having to ask the question is that that style of training with that mentality is no one's ever said but one Pound on the bar no

one's ever said that to me and that's incredible an incredible thing to think is like you said after a year you have a whole plate or whatever it is you know what I mean so absolutely yeah do you think you could have gotten that big in that dense without training that way because I wanted I wanna I wanna address the the this constant thing I see in social media that's you don't have to train heavy to get big I I just don't see how I just I just don't see how like all of all everyone

that we know that is big is capable of being strong when they want to be we have seen that in every single big bodybuilder that has ever existed like even Jay for example that never really tried to be strong but he could still incline press four plates if he wanted to yeah yeah like there's videos out there of him doing it yeah yeah and again like Kai Kai incline Pressing five plates like he's so [ __ ] strong I know I know and then I saw the I saw a video of rally that took he

took 200 pound dumbbells off the rack put them onto his knees kick back press them put them back onto his knees stood up and then put them back on the rack and I was like okay yeah yeah no drop no nothing yeah no one passing him the dumbbells yeah no no like team effort I need a team oh [ __ ] we cut out that's when you're You're crazy strong um okay so go back to the workout so you've done now two sets of the first exercise two sets of the second exercise you went beyond

failure now is beyond failure different every time like because I know you know I talked to Patrick about uh Patrick tour has talked about extending sets yes so when you talk About Beyond failure is it just getting an extra rep or when you sit could it be like I did a rest pause and that counts as Beyond failure it really that's it that really depends on my recovery capabilities at the time so let's say I am in a caloric Surplus I know that I have the food available to create new tissue I know that my

stress is good my sleep is good in those instances then I will be looking to extend the set with a response because that stimulus is Incredible those effective reps that we'll call them that the rest pause brings is so so stimulatory that they're really really great but what we have to kind of think about is that when we're in a deficit we can't build new muscle yeah like for like guys like you and me we're not building new muscle when we're in a deficit we know that so those rest pause extensions those extra stimulatory reps

me sorry George sorry Jordan you cut out A little bit can you go back a bit but sure so when like when we're in a deficit like we can't build new muscles so then those rest pause reps that we would do bring nothing to the table of benefit and just increase the recovery demands that we have to kind of meet and then as our sessions go on and if they see we like dig ourselves even deeper into a recovery hole that's when then our strength on the straight so it's just going to start to decline

and if we Start to lose too much strength in the straight sets we're going to then start to lose muscle and I think that that's where guys can really over train themselves when in a deficit when they're using too many extensions on their sets I see that makes a lot of sense so basically you're saying if you're going to use intensity techniques like rest pause or yes [Music] You're only more apt to do those in turn in a in a time when you're in a caloric Surplus yes so when you're in a deficit and you're

dieting for a show you're more doing straight sets just fits yep yep and no full straps no extensions no nothing no you said you said you can't build muscle in the deficit but there's a very popular YouTuber out there that is stresses that you can build tons of muscle and a deficit and I And I uh I I adamantly disagreed with them at first but then you know he said he brought in some caveats like obviously beginners or yeah that's for sure you know you're like recomping and stuff like that which I agreed with but

yeah in a normal system yes like let's say that we've taken our body weight up by 30 to 40 pounds over stageway would you say that was kind of typical for you in an off season you've got maybe 40 pounds 40 40s Normally yeah yeah the 40 is a nice Point yeah um if you and also then if you've used kind of assistance to get yourself there yeah yeah where that 40 pounds has to come off and you're then still using assistance you're not then in a position to build new muscle like you're always trying

to do is maintain what we have let's say we only went up 10 15 pounds and we stay pretty lean then maybe on the way back Down there might be a chance to build something like I I think that that approach is is crazy like at the overall at the end of the year you're not going to be building as much as the guy who built yeah hell no you end up you basically end up with nothing like every time I've done it I've always been so annoyed of myself for doing it trying to stay

lean yes because you just get nothing you you end up dieting back down sometimes you end Up lighter than the time before yeah and you're like oh man I [ __ ] that up I'm an adamant believer in bulking and the people who are watching us are going to laugh uh because it's been an ongoing thing and I don't know why I keep bringing it up because I know it's it's the right way to do things cool and I wasn't and I wasn't even I wasn't going to say it but I'm like if Jordan brought

it up so I'm just gonna tap into it a little bit but You're walking a living proof of it oh people don't people don't care people don't care they don't care it's weird they can you can give them a million examples and they just don't care so I'm it's it's nice to stay lean and there are some there are some advantages but especially if you walk that line perfectly where you haven't killed your appetite or you haven't pushed too far away then you're just exhausted yeah um like so like there's a sweet spot Um for

sure so going too far is just silly yeah like I've gone like over 50 pounds and it's like oh man I've got to get this off now and it's like what's the heaviest what's the heaviest you've gone in a bulk uh 308 pounds and would you end up on stage under 250. I got up it was such a hard prep and my uh I think in my second year or third year I can't remember which it was I think it was the year I was getting Ready for a Nationals it was it was my second

year and I'm like I Gotta Get huge I got up to 286 pounds sure and I ended up on stage at 204 I think or some [ __ ] it was just a nightmare I think I died for uh 20 22 weeks yeah and I think I I was like hallucinating by the end I'm like this is just oh yeah yeah so like I I did that one that push up and down with Milos yeah and it was it was hard it was yeah the push-up was harder than they'll come Down to be honest I

can imagine the food and the slim and the uh oh wow buddy 100 IUS of insulin a day oh my gosh and at that point your appetite is dead so then you send you send the email over to middle so you're like what should I eat and he's like pancakes and syrup I don't care any sugar any sugar I lived for about a month on pancakes and that was in 2015 and I haven't had a pancake since I wouldn't even write a Facebook I had a Coach who put me like I I hate insulin okay

I don't I don't ever people ask me about all time and I'm like look I just don't think it's good I know there's some coaches out there that have good systems for using it Justin Harris has talked about it he yeah he has a good system for using but me myself with my clients I never use it because I just don't like any of the effects it gave me uh short of like the beginning when you First start using it you get like pretty crazy crazy pumps but after that it wears off for me I

don't get anything out of it but um there was a coach who put me on and I think I was doing 15 IUS three times a day for I think three times a week so 45 I use three times a week and he had me doing this concoction of oatmeal dextrose bananas and honey okay with every 15 I Use and it was amazing in the beginning and then like and then just torture by the end almost torture yeah dude I guess to eat it was so and nobody no you're right nobody will understand unless they

do it it was so disgusting after like two weeks I'm like I can't drink this [ __ ] syrup anymore like this this mess of grossness I cannot drink anymore yeah so and then also I'm totally with you on the insulin thing too like um I I actually think That it's probably not probably it it's been the reason why I've not been able to kind of get forward as a bodybuilding competitor because I just blew my midsection out like I I just I put on so much size onto onto a small frame like there aren't

very many guys at 250 at five foot six on stage but the impact it had on my midsection was just poor so poor so you know what I want to come back to that I want to come back to that because it's a Really important question I don't want to leave it but I want to finish the workout first sure just so we can nail that down and that's the first thing we're going to come back to because it's an important one um so after your second exercise you go to you said you do an

isolation exercise yes so you think two pressing movements is enough for you to get the stimulus you need I believe so considering I'm going to Then retrain that muscle without any in only five days time maybe four days that's that's the caveat for use you hit everything like your frequency is higher than yes people let's say I was training at like seven days there would certainly be another press in there again okay okay um but on the four to five day frequency that I prefer yeah then just two is ample for me yeah see I

do I do I do the Bro split or whatever as they call it Now I call it the pro split um so split is a definitely a better phrase for it because I think that once you are that big and that developed then you do need that individual attention on each muscle group yeah yeah so it's 100 it's a pro split I I think that's a perfect term for it yeah I can't I've always felt I've always been jealous when like I you know I used to talk to Luke and Luke would you know I

do uh push-pull legs and I'm like I Don't know how you get in all the work you need to get in and like for sure three body parts in an hour I just could never imagine doing it but I I literally like the way I talk about the way that you should kind of Advance through training is that once you all super Advanced you need that price split that's so important if all those muscles need that individual attention yeah so that's what I do so if I'm trading chess once a week which I do I

do four Exercises three three presses one is one isolation so anyway you go on to an isolation after that what is it one failure set there or you still have another Beyond failure like that would probably be something with quite a lot of um intensity added to it so it might only be one set but it might be like a three-point rest pause yeah with like four straps Um where I'm thinking to myself okay like this is the last bit that this muscle is about to be exposed to because they don't have to do anything

else after this I'm gonna really [ __ ] it up now like I'm gonna make sure I squeeze every drop left that it has okay okay that'll be my preference what isolation exercise would you choose normally or whatever now at the moment I'm enjoying doing dumbbell flies but with a pause in the Stretch okay just a stupid like really really nice three to four second eccentric yeah um I don't go super wide with my hands my hands are fairly tight to my body so then I can get quite a deep stretch sure for a couple

of seconds and then it's kind of like a fly press back up okay um that for that for me is is nice because I'm I'm just wanting to just stretch and open up as much as I can I imagine on the isolation exercise you're Not still on that one pound increase system are you um not in the same manner no um like my mindset is obviously to try to improve it over time but it isn't regulated in that same strict I'm not basically I'm not like going to war in my head before that set well

you are but more on the intensity front instead of the week oh yeah yeah okay so how many so how many feeder sets would bleed up to that final set Actually none at that point I'm good to go so like today for example I did it with just the 30 kilo dumbbells what's that like 65.60 yeah so I just grabbed those and I'm good to go straight away okay so you're not going that heavy on that movement no for me that one is really about feel the torture yeah yeah like I I want those eccentrics

to be slow I want to feel that stretch in my chest at the bottom like I don't I don't need to lift heavy at That point on that movement yeah I mean that that movement is about making sure I am really on the muscle well three-point response is insane I mean you're putting down the weight for those who don't know that just means he's putting the weight down resting for 10 seconds you say oh no it says it's 15 seconds so 15 second rest then he's picking the weight up again going to failure 15 seconds

and then again 15 seconds and again so three rounds of That after the first set so that's pretty intense man like to finish that yeah they're fun sets I enjoy those a lot all right so going back to insulin the question I had and I've had all along in my career was my stomach got thicker I believe in the in the Years either immediately after insulin or shortly you know maybe a year after that yeah Is the insulin the thing blowing out your stomach or is the added muscle just have to go somewhere and that's

why your stomach group um do you understand what I mean for sure it's it's it's so hard to say um for me it was it caused a lack of stomach control as well yeah um and not for lack of trying to improve that either because I've really worked on it but for me like let's say I do my Version of a vacuum my version of a vacuum is being able to get my stomach flat straight yeah and if I can hit that I'm happy yeah because at any other point I'm distended quite considerably yeah and

then I even after a lot of vacuum practice the absolute best my stomach will go is maybe like one centimeter back yeah that's how I am yeah and that would that only changed after the insulin use but also that was coupled With pushing my body weight up a lot so it was obviously a lot of abusive food too yeah um so it's quite hard to pinpoint one aspect but I think we can agree that the combination of insulin plus Food Plus then lots of gear I guess I could rephrase the question like this let's say

you ate all the same food and you put on you train the same way you put on the same amount of muscle Would your stomach be as distended if you did it without using the insulin I don't believe so yeah it's you think I think my midsection would be much better yeah I think I think the insulin caused just that the total um also helped me build a shitload of muscle yeah but at a real cost for me personally was Pro bodybuilding your ultimate goal um it's hard to say um I'm not going to say

no it wasn't and it's not it's not something I've given up on yet either because because of the way I can just graft like I'm constantly working quietly yeah I don't post progress pictures but trust me I'm still making [ __ ] progress yeah okay yeah yeah but I'm pretty confident that I can still do it but the problem is is that I'm so beatable when I'm on stage because of my midsection yeah you yeah you stick me in A most muscular or a real double bicep yeah I'm gonna win those two poses but for

the every other movement aspect up on the stage I'm losing and I'm not just losing by that the next guy I'm like fourth fifth in the lineup every time so it's going to make it really really hard for me to win a show so then that's why I've kind of like been quiet with my own physique and I haven't seen me on stage for a bit because I hold myself to such high Standards yeah yeah and like I I train I know that I train so well and I'm so meticulous with everything but I can't

justify presenting something then that isn't a reflection of kind of me and what I've worked towards and that's solely down to my [ __ ] midsection it's frustrating have you ever considered doing like a Nicholas for you did because Nicholas like stopped bodybuilding pretty much went off all the drugs and stopped Eating like a bodybuilder yeah that was fascinating to see and then came back and that was and came back but came back kind of in a different way and now his boss is like right moments his midsection was not even close to how bad

mine is yeah yeah no I I don't know how bad yours is that's not why I'm agreeing but his midsection wasn't that bad I never saw it as a flaw yeah I didn't think it was bad either I didn't think it was like horrible it was just it was I think he was on his way yeah to having a blockier midsection and he stopped it ahead of time yeah sure he's done I really like that a lot he's a really really nice guy by the way yeah um so so is it frustrating knowing that your

muscularity is good enough to beat anybody because because I'm only talking to you from someone who has the same feeling like like if you look at my physique and Um 2009 it's it's something I'm very proud of yeah and then if I look at my physique at 220 2017 at the Arnold it's something I'm very disgusted with so I'm like I I I feel what you're feeling is like you have the tool but there's this one this one thing that you need to fix yeah for sure um I don't know I I think that because

of that frustration That's why I've channeled it so much into training the way I do because then I know I can Excel when it comes to training um because I can't Excel on stage like I would want to but I'm going to challenge you a little bit on that do you think do you think training the way you train is adding to the problem because you are using your core and you know the way yeah it's an interesting one well don't touch Any insulin now for well it's been a while god um a company it

must be three years now uh or two years probably two years and I've been able to improve it at bigger body weights since not doing that yeah so the training then isn't then what's causing that issue um it's probably not helping it don't get me wrong but then I would happily sacrifice a little bit of a tidy waste For some nice muscle well this is the reason I ask when I train legs when I train legs if I try and pose afterwards my stomach looks like [ __ ] like it looks wider I can tell

my obliques are pumped sure I can tell my core was like being worked when I was squatting or hack squatting or you know just that breathing you know what I mean yeah and I wonder to myself I don't get it on other days and That's why I asked I asked the question is maybe is that heavy heavy style of training sure you're creating a lot more intra-abdominal pressure during that heavy training yeah and yeah you're encouraging distension so yeah totally um and you've never considered I mean I know you love the way you train obviously

from the way we're talking about it I can tell it's like your thing yeah has it ever crossed your mind to Even try and do something honestly no I I love to train to that in that way so much that I I don't care enough about my midsection to sacrifice that it's funny people talk to me sometimes about training and they're like why don't you train and I use Ben pakulski all the time because his training is so like specific you know you know move this way move that way and move it to speed and

that speed And sometimes people are like well why don't you train like that then you wouldn't get injured and I and I say to them there's there's a fun factor involved in training that that has to be there or else I don't want to do it yeah so I guess if for someone like you if I'm saying hey why don't you train lighter it takes all the enjoyment out of what you're doing yeah this there's an element of risk in the sets that I do as Well I clearly enjoy that um yeah like where I'm

like who knows if this is going to blow both my knees out but [ __ ] let's try it you really you do you actually think that before you do a set no no not before the set um like I'm I'm way too um you try to leave that [ __ ] out you're trying to leave that [ __ ] out of your head when you're doing it it doesn't come into my head before heavy steps Before heavy sets I'm lost like honestly I'm not I'm not even there okay that's some I I tried to

explain when Dusty was quizzing me on it before like there's real moments where it I'll do some of the heaviest stuff I've done I'll unwrap the weight and I do not feel a thing yeah yeah like there's no there's nothing there like I'll I'll pick up an eight plate deadlift and I can't feel the weight in my hands because of the mental preparation before The set you've gone to another place but then that's when it's dangerous because that's when you could get hurt because you don't know what's going on you just pure craziness at that

point all right let's get into it let's get into some nutrition we've been you know been on for a while and I want to cover some other important stuff because people I think a lot of people think they know how to train I know I know they don't but a lot of people think they do so Let's assume they do and go into some of the nutrition stuff sure because that's where most people think they need help um what does an off season look like what are what is what are some of the key components

in your off season muscle building diets um so for me it's one diet year round it doesn't change and all the goes all the changes is just today amounts of food okay food goes up food goes down That's that's literally it for me there's there's no variation whatsoever okay explain that so you if you put out your you're eating six meals a day I'm gonna assume yes so you put up your six meals a day you write a plan for yourself today there's nothing that changes in that plan other than the amounts in the in

the diet if I can help it yes that's what I'm shooting for that's going to mess a lot Of people up because you because you know as somebody who coaches a lot of people they're all looking for like the secret change that's gonna connect with them for sure yeah like I for me I I like consistency um and then I know that if I'm going to take away 50 grams of carbs then my rice meal in off season might get up to 150 grams of carbs for that meal and then it'll work Its way down

to maybe as low as 75 grams when I'm diving down and so what are the what is the diet what is what is someone your size of what does your diet look like why don't we start there what's it like give me your breakfast um so I like to leave carbs out of my breakfast more just out of preference for how I enjoy that meal um at that point of the day when I first get up I'm not really interested in eating carbs Um I don't fancy carbs so I just don't have them so I

just have a high fat breakfast so my breakfast is like two salmon fillets four whole eggs and then two slices of turkey bacon do you like do you not are you not a card bag all the time or just in the morning you're not a card guy just just in the morning then the rest of the meals have carbs in um like that's literally just sold it out of preference no no I know your Carbs are in the other meals but do you actually you said you don't fancy carbs so I'm saying do you eat

the carbs in the rest of the meals because you have to or like do you actually enjoy it I enjoy them and then one of them in the other meals okay for some reason I just when I get up I just don't fancy carbs so I just don't have them where is your trip where is your training in the day after what meal after my second meal okay so you do get some carbs in you Before you go yeah so my pre-workout meal will be typically cream of rice with whey and then you might have

some almond butter in um just to slow things down so it's not too fast okay then my intro workout Shake then my post workout meal uh I have cereal post workout okay um so is there a reason just because you like it I like it yeah yeah okay yeah it's an easy way for me to hit my carb totals for that meal as well do you have It with milk or with water no just just with whey way way in water just with an isolate yeah yeah so like that meal in off season might get

as high as like 250 grams of carbs in that one meal okay um so cereal is a pretty easy way to get that in that's a big bowl of cereal yeah for sure yeah this is a beast um but I I can't reasonably eat 250 grams of carbs from another sauce yeah that's a lot of rice it is yeah and then after that it then goes back to rice and Meat and then rice and meat again before bed so let me ask you this a lot of people talk about whey and how and I know

for those of you don't know Jordan has own supplement company uh what's it's is it JP Train by JP nutrition trained by JP nutrition so do you have a way or no we do we have a stand away and then away I sell it okay so I don't want to say any of this to disparage anything you're doing because I have a supplement company too we're coming up with a way As well and post-workout in the off season only uh I shouldn't say just in the off season but usually in the off season I like

away in the post workout as well but what do you say to those coaches who are like it's not as good um I don't believe that it's not as good but I do agree that it's not always necessary explain that uh in the It's an added expense slash luxury that we don't we don't need like if we can if we can happily eat our protein I think we should and I say that to the people that that try to buy our supplements like do you need this supplement well what I'm asking is is it better

is it better to eat like a steak or a chicken or whatever is it the same I think it's an impossible question to answer if I'm honest okay um I don't I don't Understand how a coach can say a food is better than a way um for me as well it would kind of be more down to like if I'm in a diet situation I want to eat food well let's see let's stick to one thing so we can kind of get this down to a nitty-gritty because this question this question has always come up

and I don't know how to answer it for people I've always been under the feeling that of I've always Been of the feeling that real food is better more just because it takes longer to process in your body and the way your body does process it and the enzymes you get that are released when you chew and all these things the reason I use a whey post workout is sometimes I come home in the off season and I don't feel like eating so instead of not eating the way is a good fix this is a

perfect convenience yeah yeah it's Perfect for that but but if I was to actually compare them I would always say that food is better and that's I guess that's what I'm asking you is if and I don't mind being wrong I just want to know why I I can fairly answer to say one is better than the other um but like I said like I totally think that a way is an extremely convenient thing but I would always still agree That if you can eat your protein eat it but I can't really say why um

it's an interesting one so I'm in the same situation as you yeah um that I can't I can't say why I think that when my body is hungry and I feel good and I'm digesting food well I feel better in myself eating whole meals okay so if I'm eating steak and rice and I know that my body's processing it well generally I feel better than if I was to have way and a bagel for example yeah my body Is definitely feeling much better from that being on the flip side like kind of at the dog

end of off season when you're struggling to eat the weight can be a pretty good savior yeah okay I think I agree with that 100 actually that's kind of how I feel like when I can eat I would rather eat yeah okay so what do what does the diet look like size wise like what do you get up to like how many carbs a day would you end up eating Um well when I've gone to like silly fat um like a thousand grams of carbs a day just brutal well let's see what what is a

good probably about 750 to 800. so we're gonna say three grams per pound yes and then protein are you a high protein or low protein or whatever I'm a high protein guy um like for me at the moment my proteins are 400 grams a day okay Um but it's been higher and I'm happy for it to be higher so you're like a gram and a half per pound yes okay and then where are you on fats because I know some I know you said you do the salmon and that in the morning but what about

the rest of that moderate fats um so my fats will probably be about Peak probably about half a gram per pound okay Um that's about as high as they'd go in a day do you find you make better gains when your fats are higher um well my fats are higher when I'm in a surplus so I mean that's when they're at their highest I just I feel like one of my best off seasons ever was very like it was when I first started working with John sure and John likes his fats and uh you Know

we started the off season he put a lot of fat in all my meals and I feel like he was one of my best off seasons ever I just feel like I grew like a weed um maybe you were just just undefeating yourself yeah previously yeah I think that might be the case yeah yeah how high did they go can you remember like a fact um I don't remember I want to say it was like 20 grams per meal I absolutely love that spot yeah I feel great on that I feel like it's a it's

an Area where people really need to do more because I don't know how your clients work but I get a lot of I get a lot of feedback from people all the time through social media whatever and they're always like you know how many carbs should I eat how much protein nobody ever says how much fat should I eat no it's it's you're right it's a question that rarely comes up on like social media and I feel like people are forgetting that it's one of The main if I have a really really high carb diet

with no fats I don't feel like I'm making as much progress as if you switch those two I just I I've only run that for such a short period of time when my insulin was really high yeah I just I just felt terrible I don't know whether I could pinpoint that down to the high instrument or the lack of fats but yeah um I certainly really like how I feel When I have about 100 to 150 grams of fat in my diet yeah how are you it wouldn't be a food ad show if I didn't

ask you about cheat meals how are you are you a food guy or no not really I'm just not I'm not that fussy I mean everyone is when you get lean yeah and then food focus is there so it's just yeah but in an off season setting I don't care at okay like the only thing that I do enjoy is the social aspect of a sushi meal With Korean yeah just because we work so much that when we can get away together and just sit down without our phones opposite each other and have nice engaging

conversation that's a lovely moment so then I try to do that like fairly often for that yeah um but we don't like we don't binge on food we just we just go and have a nice clean Sushi military to be having like tuna and salmon in the gearing you don't you don't even go crazy how long have You been together uh 10 years 10 years and she did she help you run all the businesses she's unbelievable she's integral in everything she runs the businesses I know I know that feeling I know that feeling everyone that

knows us knows the real like some obviously we've got all our sponsored athletes they don't speak to me no go straight to Carter whatever happens then no no one emails Me anything I don't know what the [ __ ] going on half the time yeah I'm not there I'm I'm not there yet but I'm I'm headed there so let's talk business a little while because you've made a good name for yourself and you made a good career out of bodybuilding even though you're not a pro which you know I guess I get these questions all

the time from people is you know do I have to be a pro to make Money and I actually did a YouTube video recently on how to make money and bodybuilding yeah I enjoyed that video it was a good video thank you thank you um but part of it was contracts and a lot of guys can't contracts are not Pros or whatever and um I guess what I want to ask is where did you start and how did you make bodybuilding so lucrative for yourself without really competing Um it's a good question um I I

genuinely enjoy helping people um and I feel like I connect with people quite well and they can feel this sincerity in me wanting to see them succeed um so that's enabled me to build strong relationships with people that have them like elevated my position as a coach for example yeah that's That's an important aspect like when you know that your culture is genuinely excited and you can feel it and you can feel that they really give a [ __ ] yeah that's going to make a difference and I do like I I really do give

a [ __ ] I take it very personally um so coaching is your first school let's say when you started coaching as your first business yes yes so the coaching started in 2010. um compliance would you say you got up To at its peak I'm not even sure I should say okay you don't have to Let's assume because it got to the point where then I knew that my coaching was losing its quality so that I quickly scaled back but that could be I mean for some people that could be 30 people some people don't

some people don't manage time well right like for some people it could be 300 people so yeah for sure sure so for me that once you hit that limit then I Think you need to be responsible in that situation and scale back straight away because your business can go to [ __ ] fast unless your reputation is everything as a coach yeah and so I scaled back quickly from that situation um but obviously I realized quite quickly that not everyone could afford a coach so then that's when I started the membership site and we were

the first to start a subscription site um because I I knew that there was Quality information to give people and because of the trust that could potentially be built people would invest in it and they did um and like we're we're over 5 000 paying members each month I've been considering I've been considering that because one of the things it's funny I want to talk to you about it just briefly I get I want to say dozens a day of dozens of emails a day from people saying they want coaching sure and I have to

I turn them all away because I like you said I feel like if you can't give the time then you shouldn't take the money yeah and I feel like you know I was prepping for a show and I got the supplement company and I got the podcast and I just don't have the time yeah but I said to Summer one day I said you know there's got to be a Way I can help people in more ways than just doing those whiteboard videos and is the membership sections membership site something that is manageable or is

it Oz is a lot of work like I'll have to I'll have to I'll send you over a login to us and you'll see how extensive our app is okay so for example since ours has been running we've reinvested over two million into us so the development cost has cost Over two million um so it's it's not a cheap startup thing anymore yeah obviously that's more common in the last three to four years when we had the revenue to do that initially it was only a website and it was a lot cheaper but the issue

now that someone is going to face is that the competition that exists out there really so far ahead because they've been reinvesting so extensively and we're about to un unveil like our Next step in ours yeah which is then so far ahead of anyone else in regards to kind of the level that we're operating at what is what does somebody get like how do you coach them through the membership membership section is it like if I sign up I just see a bunch of different answers to a bunch of different topics or things that work

so like pull up the app on my phone just like so like I open the app right now right yeah And then like so on I go to this section here which is like a menu section on the side and then I've got like the video section the education section each individual athlete log a live stream section a forum section so let's say we go into the forum section and we then go into the health section I can then ask a question and then that will always be answered the same day by either myself or

one of the athletes Um so like I tie in all the athletes that we have with the supplement contract that to be part of trained by JP they also have to put in a regular hours on the site yeah so every single day there are 20 athletes working the site and so if you ask a question you will be answered by at least 10 athletes somebody's gonna answer yeah that's great and that is contracted for them that they have to make a post daily yeah Um which takes like two seconds but the point is is

that if anyone has a question at any one time they're getting an answer every single day without having to wait and that answer is coming from either a pro or a very experienced competitor yeah that's amazing so so we've managed to create an environment that is really really helpful but also really funny it's like a community on there yeah Um there's obviously all the members are like writing comments on the videos because we post up 12 to 15 training videos a month okay of all of the athletes and then tons of interaction where they'll get

to follow everyone's preps into their shows um it's it's a really nice feel on there everyone is Keen to help um it's certainly grown a lot more since we've had all of the athletes on board because of just the kind of the Community feel that they create and everyone can get so personable with them and it's it's nice it's really nice so you started so you started coaching you realized there was way too many people to coach so you started the membership section yes where along the line how long did you have the membership session

and the coaching going before you started the supplement company Um the membership site was running for five years so I was coaching for three and then started the membership and then that was all then running for a further five when I then had the revenue to create the supplements and then so now you've had supplements for three years no this is only our second year oh okay we've been going 18 months yeah incredible so how is the Supplement company going well now we're we're getting there um this last month I always I always I don't

know whether I should like talk about figures like that no well you don't have to talk about figures if you don't like I I I know that like in like a business environment that it's encouraged but I for some reason I still struggle with it a little bit like to talk about kind of like the revenues That we're generating I'm not sure why um I think it's normal I don't think a lot of people want to talk about revenues yeah like I mean I did I did that YouTube video but that YouTube video is my

own personal like it's not the business right I'm not going to go on and say this is what hostile is making like I'm not yeah it's a sure it's a weird one but then again like when I see like um Aaron post up the how redcon are Doing I'm like wow that's incredible I think it's different when you're doing 100 million dollars a year I know right like it's just like it blows my mind yeah yeah um we had we had we had a good month last month um feel like we're starting to make some

Headway with things which is nice is it is we're at that point where it's like okay we could potentially do all right here like in this industry because it's as you know it's a tough Market it's Saturated man there's a lot of companies yeah but like the advantage that I I think you and I have is that we are genuine people and we do care about people's progress and that we're not gonna [ __ ] people over with our supplements so that is a strong a strong selling point that a lot of Brands don't have

it's funny you said that earlier you were talking about coaching I think and you said earlier uh something along the lines of you love Helping people and I just it hit me that you know it's something I keep going back to and it took me so long to learn right it's just something how old are you Jordan 32. okay well obviously you learned it a lot sooner than I than I did but I'm 41 and it took me honestly until I was about 35. it's such a selfish thing to be an entrepreneur sometimes yeah for

sure because as an entrepreneur the selfish Side of you is like how do I make money that's kind of what you think like how do I what can I create that can make money or that I can how can I monetize XYZ and I didn't start making money until I was like how can I help people you know what I mean isn't it crazy like you can think of all these strategies but the most logical one is the most sincere one the way the way I kind of Think about it is I try to think

along the lines of what do people need and how can I do it better than other people yeah and if I if I keep on that track constantly I and I don't get distracted by potential margins um then I know that I'm in a good place and that that's where I'm just trying to keep my focus of what do people need and how can I deliver that to them yeah and that's just where I'm just I'm just Remarked that those are my views and that I will not sell out for those for anything did you

have was all this part of a plan or did this all kind of like because people ask me sometimes like you know how how did you come up with all of this and like I'm like I went to school to be a police officer I didn't like this this isn't like it wasn't a mass some grand plan that happened so for you was it something that you know did you did you I've always had Like an idea of of wanting to run something like this um I got I'm not someone that will be able to

work for someone else I never have been and that never will be yeah I will always need to be the one that's leading yeah essentially yeah um I enjoy leading um so because of that I know that I've got to try to keep being creative in the way that I kind of Step forward with things and the way I create opportunities for myself um how they were kind of specifically unfold I don't really overthink that aspect and then kind of just roll with it and see what kind of presents itself and then just adapt to

it so that's kind of how you're that's kind of how your businesses have come up it's kind of like yeah you didn't really plan them to kind of like present presented Themselves yeah for sure it's like okay there's an opportunity there can I do I think I can effectively do this yes okay let's give it a go so people are when people are working in their lives and they're working hard at certain things would you say that it's important to keep your eyes open and look around always kind of be looking around for opportunity that

you can work out for sure 100 I I think so Um I think it's a must because the membership section for example would not have been uh I mean it's a brilliant idea um but it's not something that somebody probably came to you and handed you it's something that you recognize was there and created it so um but equally though in that in that business I have a phenomenal business partner in that One um and he I've worked with him since the beginning and then he has had a hand in some fashion in all of

my businesses in helping me to some extent um and I again we we owe a lot to this this individual he's absolutely brilliant um his name's Mark Fox and um yeah wow I've had to have had good help yeah would you say in a Business Partnership or of any sort Kind of staying in your lane is important yes 100 because there's aspects that I will say to mark whatever you think like this is this is not this is not my area you this is you you made the call here um was it always like that

or was there a beginning point where you were like oh this is wanted you wanted to oversee something everything no no no like I've Always known where my strengths lie and then where they don't and then if I am not strong in an area I am not going to try to take the reins in that area and then that's where like between Corin myself and Mark we're all really strong at different things um so between the three of us we work really well together yeah it sounds like me and my wife and my brother because

and I don't say [ __ ] we go to meetings If we're talking about formulation or strategy or you know I have but there's certain things that they talk about I'm like don't even just leave me out of it don't even ask me that's the way it needs to be that you have people around you that kind of fill the gaps the all your strengths um and then likewise you will feel the gaps that they don't have with your strengths and that's a phenomenal team I think that's stuff I think that's it's Weird I relate

everything back to bodybuilding and I feel like it's something bodybuilding has taught me because you know when you look at a physique and you have to be able to look at your physique and say I these are all the things I don't like sure these are all the things I do like and you kind of learn how to you learn how to like yeah kind of break down your own body sure I think it's the same thing my list of likes is not that high anymore though I like my lower back thickness that's about it

foreign you would think as you go the likes would get bigger but they don't they're definitely not I liked myself the most I think in my life so you know that you compared those two rear double bicep pictures earlier yeah one on the left was when I was 18 and I was 150 pounds I could honestly say that I liked myself the most in my Life at that point yeah yeah yeah clueless but so happy with my own physique yeah yeah it's incredible the more you know the more it just oh yeah yeah you picked

yourself apart um Jordan before you go I want to talk about uh attitude you seem to be annoyed with a lot of things online and I thought when we decided to when we decided to do this podcast I said we're going to do a little segment on things that annoy you Because I I just get this I mean you seem extremely pleasant but there also seems to be sometimes when you write comments you seem to feel my anger dude I write stuff I deleted I write stuff I deleted and in the end I'm like [

__ ] it just post it what what give me some of your pet peeves what bothers you what's what's on your mind tell me I'll start I'll start the other day I was at the gym and I hope this guy's not Watching the podcast the other guys at the gym there's at the gym we have they have like a little station in every every corner now to wipe down the machines sure and it's got like this like a wet nap thing that you pull and you wipe the machine down he grabbed one for each hand

put them like laid them out in his hands and then he grabbed the Rope attachment and proceeded to do pull Downs with it and I'm like It's not you know you can wash your hands after man you don't have to like pull you know like why are you holding this napkin in your [ __ ] hand you know it's like it's pretty special it's pretty special am I crazy is that normal no definitely not but definitely not like if when I'm in the gym actually like I don't really lift my eye level up this is

an interesting thing so headphones go on my head drops and my eye line never lifts Up because I know the moment that I lift my eyeliner up I'm gonna see something that [ __ ] annoys me so I bring it back down again so I have a permanent downward head so I'll move from machine to machine with my head down yeah yeah and then let's say I take my headphone off to like talk to Korean I'll then hear something that someone else says and I'll think what the [ __ ] are they talking about my

headphone back on yeah I need to have like goggles and just block it it sounds so bad I'm surprised you know I'm supposed you don't have your own place yeah it's it's something that obviously we've considered uh still considering um yeah I'm sure at some point it'll be it'll be something that we do is there a social media pet peeve that you see all the time that you can think of oh I know I know there's a million and it's hard when you're on the spot but Oh god um it's hard isn't it like that

that question annoyed me the other day that the person that asked about you that that pissed me off like why why did that piss you off what was the question again the question was what do I think about fluid's situation well because I because I had to pull out of the show and I'm thinking to myself what are you talking about like this is Not like a situation like fluid situation is incredible and that like I was so Keen to make that point back like um so yeah that one pissed me off quite a lot

um we should uh you know I should have you back on there's a lot of um you have a lot of knowledge about health and how to keep bodybuilders healthy right um I know we've discussed I know we've discussed this privately before yeah for Sure like it's it's kind of good it's I've learned it because I've pushed my body and that's something I want to make clear like I don't want to pretend that like I am like a pitcher of health because I'm yeah I'm not because yeah I've pushed hard and I've abused my body

and as a result of that yeah I I've learned I've learned a lot um I've learned what to do what not to do and hopefully trying to pass that information on to try to keep other People safe yeah um so yeah it's something that again I'm passionate about I enjoy learning about that topic I don't want to keep you because it's almost an hour and a half now but I do want to have you back on it would be a pleasure it'll be an absolute pleasure to discuss we can talk about but I wanna I

want it to be very um Health focused sure let's do it because I think I feel the same way you feel I'm not an expert but I know what I've done Wrong yeah for sure and I think you know just yesterday I got this this really really bothered me so I do want to bring it up real quick I got a message from this kid and he's 19 I think and he said hey you know um whatever I'm still your fan you pulled out it's cool I love you whatever and then he goes on to

say uh the doctors told me I have kidney Issues but my friends tell me I have tons of potential can you look at my photos and tell me how much potential I have and if it's worth it to keep going oh wow and I'm like this kid's 19. he has kidney issues and I'm like I looked at his photos and he looks good I mean he doesn't have potential to be like Mr Olympia but he looks good and I'm like honestly man it doesn't matter if you have potential like if you have kidney Issues at

19 you're already behind the eight ball sure so I'm like I don't I just feel like I would like to have you back on so we can stress to people that like this stuff's not like it's not a game like kidney issues end up kidney issues are fatal and you end up in dialysis and it's not somewhere you want to be And it doesn't really matter how much potential you have if if that's where you're headed I totally agree totally um and if there is ways to also mitigate the damage we're doing so sure we'll

get stuck back into that next time yeah you come back we'll talk about it yeah the new Wizard who bodybuilding