Getting Into Masters' Union In 2024 - All You Need To Know!

Is giving comparative exams like cat and GMAT mandatory to get into Master's Union I'm not from Tech background how will I cope up it doesn't matter because we assume that people who are also coming from Tech background they have to unlearn and relearn everything so someone having done computer science in in their undergraduate studies does not mean anything no offense with the computer science folks this is great but The feace of course we're at a steep price as for students they want to understand more about scholarships the banking Partners if there are any also is

it worth it because you know the cost is really high you know Ma I don't this out loud I don't know if I've said it publicly ever I MA how's it going uh going good pram just very exciting time in the cycle when we're getting a lot of new admissions applications and going through it is as much fun for me as it Is for you I'm sure I think right now we're at the peak yeah right I think we're in the middle of round two correct and um you know so today's session is is actually

quite interesting we get so many questions about admissions you know what is the criteria what is this what is that what is muat how much is which criteria weighted to so I thought um you know this would be be a good way to answer all the questions right so you already know the format but for the Audience we have a WhatsApp am am session where students will send us questions on WhatsApp live and we'll try to answer each of those questions one-onone I can answer as many as I can and then of course you can

answer as many as you can sure and we can keep jumping off of I think let's keep it casual that way yeah so everyone there listening to us I hope you guys are ready as well if you have very specific questions you can just go down scroll Below and you'll actually find all the questions that we will be answering individually as well so you don't have to watch the full if you have a very specific question there's a good chance that we would have covered your question over the next 45 minutes yes all right so

let's get started absolutely right I think the first question that by the way has already come in is what is Master's Union really looking for in a candidate which is a fair question it I I think You can start and then I can take it from there sure so there are two parts of this okay there are two different thing one is what is the admissions criteria which is more of the you know it's like a structured thought process there the three criteria that we're looking at the first one is 33% weightage which is the

workex the second part is you know your Academia how how well have you performed in life in academics co-curricular leadership like It's a single bucket and the third one is how fluent are you how well you structure your thoughts how well you communicate so this is more the Optics of it that you know uh these are the three criteria and an immediate question that students especially the freshers they ask is but what about me because I of course don't have work experience in that case uh again what the student has done during their college life

have you led any society have you organized fests In your societies we will still consider those in that workex 33% bucket because we are considering freshes even though it's a very very tiny pool of our overall cohort correct now if I look at what do we look for and what do I look for specifically for me it's about do you have what it takes for you to be here at Master's Union uh to contribute to the cohort to actually make a meaningful impact to your classroom because ultimately the professors the Experience is one part of

the entire MBA program but the other part is equally about what do you bring in as a uh as an individual to the cohort and there we again have you know specific criteria that we're looking for so the first one is that have you really made the best use of the time and opportunities that were there in front of you because U it's okay if you didn't do really well in academics some people ask that you know I've not done great in academics Should I still apply for me I'm like sure but tell me what

or where have you done well if you if not academics if that was not your focus then what was so that is one of them then uh fair so like I mean just to extend that thought a little bit so let's say even if you are from i j rank one but if at I you didn't do anything didn't make use of the amazing opportunities you get there then perhaps not the best candidate correct correct because then will and skill Right will is needed for sure skill is something we can upskill you here also yeah

the attitude right and I mean so in that sense I've seen some of the applications or applicants who come from colleges we've never even heard of I agree right and they end up doing best yes right and I think we have some examples in this coh in fact the winner of last VIP the MVP the the preed challenge I think it's somebody right without mentioning his name somebody Whose college name I did not know correct right and he's doing so well I think and that's where pram people who not got into good colleges they feel

that foro and need for proving themselves even more and sometimes those who have actually made it to good colleges they are in that mindset okay now I've gotten this checklist off my list I've got this crown of IIT or SRC exactly but that's not how life works right Then the other thing is that how open is that person to like what's the growth mindset how open is he or she to feedback because ultimately this is going to be a place you're going to learn so much are you a spae or are you a rock which

is not ready to absorb at all so that becomes again equally critical how open are you too how do you check that like I feel that's easy to do in interviews for sure because you know when uh even when the interviewer is Giving feedback is the person close to that feedback is he getting defensive because you can immediately sense it when defensive to feedback right so in interview it's much easier to check that in the application also I feel some people like oh I'm perfect perfect perfect and I'm like I am also not perfect today

so you you get some sense on it so that's where at least I I think it's a smaller things right I mean it's it's how humbly you talk about your Achievements right if you think that oh you know I recorded the highest figures in my sales team sure sure but I mean like there's a better more humble way to present it that you know I learned this and I grew like this and and also I think what matters is you know if you see the trajectory of the person like let's say they didn't go to

the best college or they didn't have the best grades but how did they fair in life after that is there an upward trajectory Or is there a you know a linear trajectory right AB I think that was a showcase as if that showcases as well absolutely and then you know basically you're humble you're open to being coached or um you're someone who's curious about new things because here you'll be forced to do things that you've never done before are you just like really going out and and being curious are you open to experimenting that's another

one and the last two that I have is are you motivated to create an impact are you motivated to do something meaningful uh you know for yourself for your family for the society uh in every way possible and the last one is that do you exhibit strong leadership potential and I would love to actually hear that from you that you know what does leadership potential even mean to you yeah I think see at the end of the day there's an MBA program or an MBA equivalent program and there is Administration the middle of it and

I think for me Administration and Leadership sort of two sides of the same coin M and you know if you let's say are starting a company in the future or if you want to become the CEO of a company we always feel and I've often heard this that you know people are born leaders I think that's completely untrue and Leadership is a skill much like accounting that can very easily or or not easily but very definitively be Taught for me I think leadership is about how do you get the best from others around you through

your leadership because everybody is driven by different things which means that there complex human relationships and then you know how do you motivate someone could be very different from how how you motivate the other person and how do you drive that out through your because at Stanford I love one one class when they said that the question they Would ask us is why should anyone follow you they're not making you say that you know you're a leader and go figure it out it's about what's in it in you that people are actually going to follow

you so no I think let me just extend that answer a little bit then you know you mentioned those five things I'll add one sixth thing which is entrepreneurship you know a lot of students ask us this question that I don't want to become an entrepreneur so why should I come to Master's Union which is the entrepreneurship Focus right right and to them I'd like to say that there is no job today right that does not require you to be entrepreneurial right entrepreneurship doesn't mean just to start your own company right it also means being

entrepreneurial within a role or within a company within a job and I mean I mean correct me if I'm wrong at least in your team or in my team people who have excelled people who Have grown and people who have shown leadership abilities are people who are entrepreneurial right right who have taken risks even if it's in their own Department people who have tried something new even if it's with in their own department and people who have you know really showcased the sense of energy that they bring when they come to the room the room

sort of lights up and and I that to me is also equally important In a candidate right if even if they're not looking to start a company that's okay but do you have that DNA of Entrepreneurship I think that is so critical and by the way those who don't have it they definitely end up creating that for themselves when they come to Master's Union correct correct I I agree with that and it's about building that to excel irrespective whether you choose to be an entrepreneur or you choose to go somewhere else you still need that

Mindset of an entrepreneur the owner mindset whever you go yeah ownership is so important that was the top three criteria in Adam gr's survey that he did remember yeah that's true yeah yeah of course of course growth mindset the ownership hustle what what managers look for in in their repor is absolutely yeah so the next question that we have pram is that is giving competitive exams like cat and GMAT mandatory to get into Master's Union so I think you know we Have changed our policy on this and I think there is some confusion so until

last year cat if you had taken the cat or GMAT or GRE you did not have to take the muat okay and what we realized is that sometimes the cat scores and the GMAT scores are not doing Justice to someone's true potential I think what we look for in a candidate is very different from what a GMAT score showcases about a candidate so I think this year what we have decided is that Muat which is our own entrance exam is essentially compulsory for all students looking to join Master's Union right but one interesting thing I

want to talk about muat or the Master's Union business aptitude test is that students do not need to take time off their job enroll in unacademy or in some exam test prep Center and study for muat muat is an exam which you can only crack with all your life experiences and not some test prep book or anything like that so You don't have to worry about preparing for this exam this exam is testing your entire life and not the last two months of preparation that you can hack in in fact sometimes you don't even give

you the exact format of the exam we keep changing it a little bit so that uh you it's sort of like a curve ball that's thrown to the students so I love the exam you know I've taken the exam both of us took the exam and um I think that exam truly shows us uh whether the Student is going to be right fit for Master's Union so to summarize uh if you have a cad GMAT or a gr score please do submit it we will look at it but we will look at your muat score

with way more weightage um but you can talk a little bit about what the exam actually looks like as much as we can tell so there three uh big sessions within the exam the first one is quants again you know the clear instruction to the people who even setting the exam is That don't test for someone's ability to memorize a formula and if there is a Formula that is there in the question we actually just write it there that this is the formula because that should not lead to you not solving the problem statement but

there are questions around probability statistics um data sufficiency etc etc again judging your ability to you know make sense of what's in front of you and as far as I remember they're all applied questions they're Not like let X be equ Al to Y and then what is a equal to right correct it's usually given in a business environment or in a business context absolutely then the second session is my favorite which is where we play games and uh there'll be games that are testing your uh risk-taking appetite yes by the way there are games

in the exam yeah uh you didn't hear that wrong there are actual games that we play which I think we believe is a great test of of someone's Uh judgment decision making so it's in the audio visual format now imagine a student like we keep talking about how everybody learns a different format and we give exam in the same format now I want to make sure that even if someone who learns well or better audio visually he or she also has the ability to do well in the exam so that's why that gaming session which

tests with different skills and then the last part there are three games right there are Three games you can practice those games so there'll be like mock games that are happening so it's not like you've just randomly entered the game and you start just like any game that you play it trains you you know you you get all the like what functions where so you're able to play it very EAS after that and then the last part which is to me very very exciting it has two subp parts the first one is we'll actually give

you um like you know short case problems you know in Some way where I'm saying pram imagine you're the marketing head at Amazon uh what is going to be your strategy XYZ corre so it'll give you a place where you'll be a you'll do a role play in some way but the fact is that you're giving it on the spot which means that it does not differentiate between someone who has a lot of experience but it does not it actually just levels the playing field you're not giving excessive prep time to someone so you're Really

testing for the ability to think quickly on their feet correct and the last one's going to be your video essay and your written essays which again are testing for your communication ability are you able to structure your thoughts really well are you able to communicate really what matters to you so and can you share the questions that you've asked in the past so there are actually seven to eight sample papers which we've made live and the link to that is also Going to be attached in the video so that's something that students can very EAS

so feel free to look at the sample papers but the final exam would be somewhat different the structure will be very similar correct but the questions might be different and U you know this is one of the only exams I think out there where you don't have multiple choice questions only right I think only one section has multiple choice first SE just the first section has multiple Choice the rest is all you know you're typing or you're video recording yourself or you playing the game or you're playing the game right and so we really believe

that that this exam truly showcases us who you are as a person and not as a test taker or a test prepper if you will you know and I have spoken to so many students pram who have said that the exam itself they had so much fun like this most fun exam that they've taken it Was not stressful like a typical exam it's something where they actually felt they can have an opinion of their own which is what I loved about it and you can take it at home you can take it at home you

can uh you need a stable uh internet your video has to be on it's a proed exam so there have been cases where you know I've rejected people who we could see clearly that they've maybe put another screen or have been just moving around on the yeah the AI is very Intelligent folks so don't try to cheat at all don't try to have chat GPD open on the S side and even if you do even if you do we'll easily get to know that's number one number two that's not what we are testing right when

you're speaking into the camera no amount of chat GPD can help you it's your confidence that will speak and you know also by the way I don't know if you've noticed sometimes we can see the eyes reading something exactly exactly and so if you ever read We will get to know so just take it fully honestly exactly uh any other way it's not going to it's not worth your while and even if you're not interested in Master's Union still take the exam still take the exam really fun exam and in fact we'll be doing another

mock of the Master's Union bat in the first to second week of March so again there's some people who still feel that I want to take a mock test you don't have to again you know I really really honestly Feel that it's something you can really Ace by being yourself and we' made it as logical more than theoretical as possible but if some of you feel that you want to take it still uh there'll be a mock test that'll happen in March and you can look out for that as well absolutely all right uh so

pram one question here which I often hear now someone's got say 85 percentile in their cat uh should he or she mention that percentile in their application will That help will that not help see generally speaking the average cat score that we accept even though that's not a criteria would be somewhere in the vicinity of 95 96 97 right however we have also accepted students with a 60 percentile and we very proud of that because there were other aspects about that students life that was so impressive Stanford had a 530 Indian guy imagine so there

you go so 7 53 G mat there you go and if Stanford can accept A 530g mat we definitely can as well right because we're looking at something more than this the exam thing if you have a score which you want to share with us please share if it's less or more it's not going to change the decision for us in any way it's not going to change the decision for us it just gives us one more data point it may impact half a percent or 1% but that will not be the difference between you

getting accepted and rejected right Right but we have accepted students with 60 percentile and we have rejected students with 100 percentile also yes right because we understood that hey you know the culture is just not going to fit in right we I mean in fact just yesterday we were looking at Round to Applications I've got someone with a 99.86 I still clearly remember that means the student was probably in the top thousand or top 1500 test takers and I realized just by the way he was Talking to the camera that he did not have the

openness of feedback he didn't have the openness he just was too full of himself right and and I realized that hey is it even worthwhile to interview the student um I was in two minds and finally we rejected that student right so but I mean uh I think the lowest cat that we have accepted so far is 60 percentile we haven't gone lower than that but let's see Never Say Never right no I agree I think it's that holistic Application that we're looking at at every single time so irrespective of whether you've given cat or

GMAT once if you've not given it please don't specially give it for M and that's not at all required if you have given it it's your choice if you want to tell us about it or not just to give you a number is uh I don't know if you have the exact numbers maybe you have I think only 30% of Master's Union candidates have taken the cat mhm so 70% students Who apply to Master's Union are not coming from the cat audience they're not people who are going for the traditional MBA route these are people

with work experience who may have taken the GMAT or actually may not even have taken the GMAT and are looking for a postgraduate experience I think GMAT also would be maybe 30% yeah so I think 30% cat 30% GMAT and then almost 40% just muat right right and the acceptance rates across all three would be uniform I don't think One would be more represented or underrepresented with showcase is that for us it's all the same fantastic oh this one's a uh this one's a interesting question pram M so I think because we also a 16-month

MBA program ISB is also a yearl MBA program and the yeah comparison is inevitable in some way so what do you as a Founder think uh we've done differently better worse than ISB I think there are a few things right first of all is our entire focus on bringing Practitioners into the classroom right our goal is that each course or most of the courses should be caught by a full-time faculty who who brings in the theory who brings in the rigor and a visiting practitioner who's probably a MD or a CEO or a VP in

a company and they come together and then they teach the course in a very applied manner right so this is very little not very little but there's only maybe 30% Theory and 70% application whereas in other Business schools and I will not single out ISB but in other business schools I've seen that perhaps the focus on 70% and the application is 30% so I think for us it's the reverse so that's number one number two is our entire focus on helping you learn business by actually building a business I think that's the Cornerstone so in

Master's Union in each term essentially you're building a business right in term one you're building an e-commerce store in term two You're building a YouTube business and term three onwards you're building the Venture initiation program right so you're building a business in stages and I think that entire concept of learning business by doing business is very unique to Master's Union and it's not there in ISP it's not there I think in IMS and in fact even globally I haven't seen as much of a focus on this right Stanford of course is one school that's known

for entrepreneurship in a big big Way and I think we have tried to take the best aspects of Stanford Wharton and ISB as well and try to bring it all together uh into the entrepreneurial Focus that we have right I think that's number two just one small data point to add here pram because sometimes you know the 40% of all of our credit requirement actually goes to class which is which itself then talks about how big of a focus area that is for us so just maybe we can talk for 2 minutes about inclass Versus

outclass sure right so ISB or IMS most of their credits come from the courses that you take sitting inside a classroom like this right but at Master's Union you only get 60% of your credits from courses and 40% of your credits come from outclass where you're actually building these businesses right so your grades for that 40% criteria will come from your profit or your revenue or the customer feedback that your product is getsite quality the Strategy the real stuff that's happening out there right so I think that's incredibly differentiated about Master's Union and I think

finally I would say that the way the placements work right I think at least in India you know there is this day zero day one day two right and all placements have to finish within those three days and students are you know under that pressure K interview AB interview and I think we have taken a departure from that from that system and We run placements for almost 5 to six months right and companies come throughout those five months students get enough time to make their decisions students get enough time to prepare for the companies so

I think the placement policies are very different we have done another podcast on placements and um which you can find here uh the link to and that will go into a lot more detail about what Master's Union placements process actually looks like so I think That's very differentiated from the ISP system I think we also have a big focus on venture capital we have a big focus on Founders office as a role we have a big focus on I think you know startups as as as a possible destination for our students I think that's a

little bit differentiated from ISP as well as IMS but I think now let me ask you a question along similar lines which is how do you think Master's unit is similar or different from Global Business Schools right you went to Stanford you know what are the similarities and differences that you see so it has a lot of the goodnesses of the global business schools where I think the biggest difference when I was in nsit versus when I went to Stanford is that the classroom never felt like a classroom honestly it did not feel like the

professor is there as a mon it was never a monologue it was a very dialogue kind of situation where we discussing And debating the professor is not saying that this is the right answer he's wanting for us to struggle to get to the right answer so that we're constantly forming an opinion of why this is working why this is not working why this is right versus not and to me that was beautiful because then it suddenly removes that fear of being wrong wrong it removes the fear of not knowing you can contribute you can ask

smart questions and you know the class is Going to progress which is what I think we've done really well here as well like uh you look at B's class he'll keep asking you why this question even right he'll say that why did you ask this here so it's helping you build a strong muscle constantly of how do you ask the right questions to get to the answer corre right it's not about the final answer it's about how how do you reach there so I think that we've done really well and even the startup ecosystem Because

in Stanford even my grades I think 15% Max would be focused on Startup or VC related classes but everything else was uh probably more lectures and classrooms Etc and within the classrooms I think they' done a good job of bringing in practitioners where was more handson one thing we are very different from and I think we've done it incredibly better because again I don't think brother and you would uh say say that about what also probably I don't Think the career departments uh exist the way it exists here AB there is no day Zero there's

no day one there are some career Affairs sure but those are like more like speed networking speed dating everyone's responsible for their own placement and if you see in fact Stanford's placement report or any any career report they say x% of students have gotten jobs within three months of finishing the course which means that the colleg is I mean the college is done And the responsibility of college is also done and I actually love it I I think the educational institute's task is to empower and ensure that the student is ready because ultimately if you're

not ready to get a job yourself you're also not ready to stay in that job or to excel in that job so I I still agree and appreciate that thought process also but I think uh here at Master's Union like you already mentioned the structured approach Towards uh placement placement prep uh the mod of focus is incredible incredible yeah I think at one point in time our placement team was as big as the department as the actual student body right and I think today also your team is I think I'm 30 35 people just working

within placements correct and you know crafting these personalized Journeys For Students I know in the very first week we sit with every student and actually create that personalized Placement Journey which is so unique right I never had that at least at pen uh Stanford perhaps so but I'm sure not in so much detail so it's more like if you want something go as the career team they might have something they might connect you here and there but the owners is still so much more on the student I'll actually go a little deeper here because here

in the first month itself the student would know the breadth of all the domains that are Possibly out there because a lot of times just information asymmetry you don't even know what you don't know you're coming in with this Silo approach that I want to get into Consulting I want to get into product management but there are these 10 11 other domains that roles that you can create so we have this General practicum which is more of your skill enhancement your behavioral questions tell me about your eles Etc you have Excel tests that are conducted

Literally to ensure that your Excel is up to speed yeah this is so interesting you know I've met so many students from other business schools who know Finance but don't know Excel but then that that's not that defeats the purpose right they might be good theoretically but when it comes to skills that are actually used correct if you can't make a pivot table for me then you're you're not don't call yourself an MBA sorry pivot table is a very like low bar no But I'm trying to say exactly that that low bar is also not

getting met I mean without pivot table knowledge how to represent data well how do you and python that is a I'm not even trying that I'm saying basic basic are you able to structure that but I think what you also do really well is you know in the very first term you allow students to take or in the very first week students to take these 2our sessions in various uh uh in various domains right so do 2 Hours of PM do 2 hours of data do two hours of marketing so you get a sense what

each of those require and what are the expectations industry has from from the students and we'll bring in alumni who's just cracked a role in that role uh in that domain we'll bring in a senior leader who's been in that domain for a while so that they can also talk about what's your career progression likely in that specific domain you know most students don't know what they want To do after after but that's what they've come for it's not unfair right because this is what they they're saying that this has been my career I have

been stuck now you tell me what else is there in front of me so it's my duty as a program to actually be able to lay that Buffet down for them and be like why don't you decide now you want to eat you know I've noticed this at least even at pen and I'm sure it happens in IM and ISP where the way you decide which Company you apply to or go to is a function of when they come for the placements and not a function of what you want to be doing later in life

right so if you are rank one in an I am you have to do Consulting like even if you don't want to do Consulting you'll be put in that box that no no you're rank one you should do Consulting it's like that boxing that we do in India like if you're you know good in class 12th if you have 90% above you have to take uh Engineering or je or whatever if you're good in class 10th you have to take medical or non-medical and not Commerce I mean I just never understand yeah it's like you're

asking a cricketer to go play guitar which is not going to work out again and that's why you know um and I think we're getting distracted and talking about placements too much I think the last point on placements is uh the kind of attrition that we see after MBA from other colleges is so high in The first year some 30 40% people leave their jobs because they had gotten into the job for the wrong reasons I think here at least I don't know if you have the exact data but anecdotally speaking I think our attrition

after placements from companies is probably not more than 10 10 15% I I can hardly think of anyone right now from last year the cohort 3 has been placed for a while coh of 2023 and I have not heard of more than five seven people who might have out of 164 Right so so that to me is it's a very small number yeah so I think that's something we should be very proud of um that you graduate with a career sure but also stable career correct rather than that you're enjoying and you know where you'll

grow and outow other people okay we have lot of questions coming in so we have to PA it up a little I'm seeing the notifications now let's go yes so uh we've spoken about placement so now I'm going to leave that one and we've talked About practicums uh just very quick point because some people also keep asking this other than the mentors who there within your faculty other than all the eir so pram is a e I'm an e so who's going to be helping your career Journey there's something called get preed and I'm going

to try to put a demo here oh yeah absolutely there are 150 mentors 200 I checked today in the morning 200 now it just keeps increasing at this point so we have 200 mentors you can Literally it's like on demand service Uber is also not as easily accessible as these mentors you figure out which domain you need help in you figure out this company which role do you need a mock interview do you just want to talk about life do you want to talk about anything at all each of these mentors are available over and

above the entire ecosystem that's there to help you on campus on campus no I think you know if that was a available to me yeah and by The way it's unlimited you can do as many calls as many meetings with as many mentors and um you'd be very wrong to not make use of this resource right and it's such easy so you just have to log in uh select mentorship you know select from the drop down which domain I think you want and I'm just imagining the using the and then you click on finance and

then you get all the finance mentors right and then you say when you want the mentorship today tomorrow day after and More often than not you'll get a slot today itself you click today then you'll get the times and I'm sure that if you were to do a demo right now you'll get a time within the next 15 minutes 100% And then both of you are induced over email and then the call happens right it's so beautiful it's so natural and and I think that's one of the Hallmarks of Master's Union which is you get

mentorship just in time just when you need it and that's often otherwise you Know if you put it to tomorrow right right I agree and your questions would have changed by the time tomorrow comes so okay so next one is uh accreditation pram you have to tell us about what's happening there what does accredition even mean if I'm a student who's graduated and the college gets accredited does my degree also now get counted as accredition so tell us everything there is got it so you know first of all we have to differentiate Between a degree

and an accreditation okay okay a degree is a piece of paper which is essentially certified by the government that this degree is a government certified degree so a certificate or a diploma becomes a degree if it's certified by the government right so IMS today do degrees because they certified by the government to give degrees right however no recruiter cares whether your degree is a degree whether the piece of paper you Have is a diploma or a certificate what they care about is what your skill set is so to give you an example ISB is not

a degree because ISB chose very early on to not go after the ugc AIC system and you know be independent from the government right so in that sense what Master's Union gives you is a certificate which is very similar to a certificate that ISB gives you right in fact if you were to go abroad and go to any University or any college or any Business school that business school College University that's not certified by ugc or a right so in Indian government's eyes it's exactly the same thing okay so that's about the degree okay at

an undergraduate level you do need a degree I understand right because you have to apply for postgrad and they sometimes require you to have an undergraduate degree but in the postgrad space nobody really expects a student to have have a certified degree only that's Number one now number two what you ask is accreditation now there are some accrediting bodies globally uh there are three main ones that come in the business school domain dou csb eqis Equis and Amba Amba right so wsp is British Equis is European and Amber is American right and these are three

accreditations that Take 5 to 10 years for anybody to achieve or get now Master's Union I think is in process for all three of them and I hope hope that We'll become the youngest institution to get all three of them I think ISB took perhaps 13 to 15 years to do that most Business Schools would take time in that U you know in that zip code but we are looking at a time domain of 5 to 10 Years it'll hopefully be a record in of itself and we are in process in all three of them

I think U you know just last year when we were admitted to uh the process withb it was the same time that I am Bangalore started that membership so quite exciting this entire process but at the same time what I want to underline is that for a student or for a recruiter that doesn't change the experience in any way that also does not change how you'll be viewed by the industry in the future right what matters in the future is how well you do in whichever program you enroll in number one and number two after

that whichever job you do how well you do in That job right right 20 years down the line no one's going to ask you whether your degree was doubleb or e or Amber accredited right I mean Stanford won I mean I don't think we would ever asked that question okay and there's another question which you had asked which is let's say I graduate in the future sorry let's say I graduate today but Master's Union gets accredit in the future will my degree become accredited now there are two three fallacies with that Question first of all

you never had a degree right with a certificate and it's not that a certificate is accredited it's that a college is accredited so once Master un becomes accredited you essentially graduated from an accredited college the question of whether your certificate is accredited or not never comes into the picture question it's a wrong question of itself right your certificate will never say whether it's dou CB Oris or Amber I see right it says Master's Union and that's what matters so I mean all in all you know we have this hangup essentially which is unless it's ugc

AIC certified this college is not the right college right and I think I have to thank ISB for this that 20 years ago they broke this myth right that even if you're not the AIC and ugc certified you can still be a great college right and I think that's what we are trying to get to validations coming from the people who are coming to Support the ecosystem right if someone like deep kalra sanjie bandani sir Sur Narayan G all these people are coming to the campus to Mentor you to me that's a bigger validation than

anybody their accreditation is matters more right I mean the fact that ban and BCG come yeah I mean their due diligence that they do on colleges is way more I agree than any accrediting body right they will not come to us had we not been top not right and so for me those signals are way more Valuable than any accreditation right we will pursue accreditation because I think it's you know accreditations help us also you know improve our systems but the main accreditation that we looking for is from Business Leaders from recruiters and from our

ecosystem Partners right so today I believe you know I think you you led this uh this this collaboration with Microsoft where our students are working with Microsoft director of product and of product of Microsoft Office which is their biggest product a global project right now and student students actually went to Noida spent some time there at the office and I think it was a month every week two months long and every week the student would go there the five students who were chosen to this and each of the students was given a product manager of

Microsoft as the mentor and then the entire hierarchy was there so that you know the process is overall very Meaningful both for the student and for the that accreditation yeah is way more valuable right today just now before this we had a meeting with a company whose name I don't know if he can take right now but it's m oft's biggest competitor let's put it that way and we are working with them on Crafting something very similar right where students will get actual credits from the product that they have which everybody knows the name of

I'm sure They can probably guess by know what I'm talking about make it hard um and and we will be working with their uh Team to you know create new products I mean that to me is is way more validation I agree with you but I hope this question is answered once and for all because I think we get this a lot we do get this a lot and uh if you're looking for more details please go on to theb website and if you search for a college you'll find Master's Union there uh if you

need Further further um context there absolutely okay some rapid fire questions uh I'm not from Tech background how will I cope up it doesn't matter because we assume that people who are also coming from Tech background they have to unlearn and relearn everything right so someone having done computer science in you know in in their undergraduate studies does not mean anything and you know no offense to the computer science folks but uh often Times what learned is not something what you can apply in the industry so I think what we teach you first of all

starts from scratch we assume no prior knowledge okay also if you're scared of tech don't be because we'll really start from scratch and we make sure to handhold you through that process you will not end up becoming a developer after the pgp TBM but you'll definitely become proficient enough to be able to work with developers right and make sure That the developers is not taking you for a right you know I think that's the most important thing so in summary do not worry and I think currently our classes 50% Engineers is 50% non-engineers correct and

I want to throw in that that you know today the world is so fast moving because of Technology it is inevitable that whichever domain whichever industry you're in it is going to get impacted disrupted changed because of technology So either you be the one who's you know changing yourself or you get disrupted and become irrelevant yeah I mean we have to change our courses every year every year I'm like upgrading and figuring out what more is being taught and what more do we need to add so we we keep like 5 10% credits only for

these new age cutting head skills I think this year we had someone from London from Imperial College who came in to teach uh how AI is used in marketing specifically That was a 20-hour course very highly rated as well and I feel like last year we didn't have this course Black Rock India head came this time of AI in finance and I like oh my God things are really changing at the ground level we're not talking about it will change in the future it's it's already happening so you can't like you know especially if you're

pursuing an education you're doing yourself disservice if you're not embracing Technology I think maybe we can spend one more minute here which is how the curriculum of Master's unit changes every year right I think if like an alarm were to come today and say you know hey I know I went through something very similar that's that's not going to happen because I think their curriculum was so different right every year I think this year AI has truly transformed our curriculum and I can only imagine what will happen next year with the Vision Pro right I

mean I'm seeing it all over YouTube and I've just placed an order for 10 of them by the way hopefully they'll arrive soon very excited to use that and we'll have to start teaching app development or Business Development on top of Vision Pro it's a matter of time that that becomes part of our daily lives right imagine like the day one of iPhone yes how shitty it was and today like I mean our entire life revolves around this and To your point not just curriculum pram I think one thing that I honestly honestly feel proud

of what we've done well is the iterative approach that we have ourselves taken where you know when we say that we have that growth mindset for the student we look for it I do honestly feel that we have embraced that ourselves also so we heard about how people wanted some more Global exposure we have introduced Global emotions oh we didn't talk about that and then you know More people said that you know okay I want to start up and the ecosystem is right but at the end of it I also have opportunity cost I want

to also apply for jobs we said okay here's founder Fellowship you have 40,000 rupees given to you every month and uh you can choose to step out of placements for up to 12 months and use that STP in to you know sort of fund yourself and at any point if you feel that you want to come back to placement you're welcome to join the Next go double click on both of these things I think this is important the first you spoke about global immersion and the second you spoke about founder Fellowship so let's maybe take

founder fellowships first I think you've introduced it nicely I would go one step ahead which is tell you my own story when I was in college the only reason I ended up pursuing entrepreneurship full-time was because my college supported me everyone was you know going For internships and they were getting paid for doing summer internships but I was getting paid to run my own company wow right it was just small amount there was some3 $4,000 but everybody else was getting $40,000 but still that was enough for me to cover my rent right right and that

takes away the guilt of not going sitting for placements right and so takes away the burden of asking money from your parents you know at least Basic you have covered so if at Master's Union you truly want to pursue entrepreneurship and don't want finances to be an issue we will gladly encourage you to take the founder Fellowship which is 40,000 rupees a month for almost up to a year yes till your startup really gets off the ground right and as you as Meg mentioned if you ever want to come back to placements you can always

come back to placements either in the same year if this time is Available or in the placement cycle of the following batch right so it's completely risk- free I mean if it were to me I would make this compulsory like everybody has to do this it just makes so much sense and I'd be surprised at someone who does not take this opportunity right the risk is completely taken away and I really hope that this Fosters I mean last year the number of students who pursued entrepreneurship was maybe let's say 10% I really hope we Can

take it up to 30% this year with this founder Fellowship I agree I agree and uh it's the good segue into and actually do you want to also speak about the global immersion and the tie ups that we've done yeah so I think in the very first year we had a lot of students asking us for Global immersion because a lot of students who come to Master's Union our students who were also considering going abroad yes right and for whatever reason they did not go Abroad right and so always felt that coming to Master's Union

strips them of the opportunity to study abroad to experience you know Global culture Global culture all of that so we've been looking to make Partnerships with institutions of similar repute as us so that we can unlock these Global immersion so now finally we have Partnerships done and dusted with SDA bonei which is a top school in Europe I think it's rank one in Europe uh it's in Milan and students can go there for up to two months uh and depending on how many credits they want to do uh it could be one or two months

second we have with Columbia business school which is again I think one of the top five business schools globally in the middle of New York and students can actually go there and spend again upwards of one or two credits equivalent worth of time in those campuses uh of Columbia business school and SD bonei the third that I Think we are working on right now and uh it's a matter of figuring out when the signing is is with n us which is in Singapore it's closer to India and there a lot of Indian companies also that

have offices there and we felt that we needed an option sort of closer to home as well so n us is something we have cracked and most importantly and I think this is the most interesting one for me is Inc right because there's also one year program it's very similar in the way that the Programs are structured and I think students will have a great time in inad and they can choose either the Singapore campus or the the France campus so these are the four that have already sort of been signed and by the time

students join hopefully we have a few more we're working on a few more IV League colleges and I believe our teams are traveling tomorrow to to meet them yes Etc they're going tomorrow to to close some of the more deals yeah and I think I hope that All students take take up this opportunity right but I think one question I also get is are those priced separately or is it part of the curriculum that's a very important question it's a very important question that comes up all the time and so here I think maybe we

can spend some time see these programs cost very different amounts right us is of course slightly more expensive Europe is slightly cheaper Singapore is slightly even Further cheaper right so there is no like standard pricing that we can offer right so depending on what you want to do and how many credits you want to do while you're there so for example at Colombia you can spend 2 to three months and actually get Colombia alumni status right of course that will come at an extra cost but the cost range it's it's between $3,000 which is around

2 and half L rupees all the way to $8,000 which is approximately 6 lakh rupees Right so that's the range uh that you have to pay on top of the regular fee structure to get access to these these and by the way we always have scholarships for this as well right so if you believe that you have a good reason to go uh and then you know what you learn you can bring back to Masters unit add value to our ecosystem we'll actually sponsor that and subsidize that up to 100% And to your point also

you know because this time what's a very Interesting Trend and this is a trend we're seeing a lot of people who already had International Education are coming back and wanting to do their uh PG program from Master's Union so I do believe that you know that's and that's why we've not gone ahead with making it mandatory as a Global Experience for everybody because everybody could be at a different stage both in terms of what's their learning outcome what's their financial ability so we didn't Want uh this to be a financial burden for everybody involved and

that's why this is something that you can choose to do and of course you have to apply for it and you get selected Etc but at the same time it's not mandatory for that reason correct and um I I hope one day you know we have enough good connections across the world that we can make it as part of the program hopefully yes but I think that's still a few few years away correct correct and I think we'll be one Of the only schools in India to have this level of Partnerships ISB has but I

think out of 900 students at ISB maybe only 30 or 40 go for these exchange programs uh I hope that number is much higher for us right abut you know than for other colleges all right um do we have any question pram is that all this is great but the fees of course you know uh we're at a um steep price as for students and uh they want to understand more about scholarships the banking Partners if there are any also is it worth it because you know the cost is really high yeah you know Ma

I don't say this out loud I don't know if I've said it publicly ever but internally uh I mean you obviously know that we have the system that the fees of Master's Union the onee fees of Master's Union will never be more than the average salary of the previous batch right right and I'm talking about the base right so even today if you remove the tax the Master's Union fee structure is perhaps the same as the base salary I'm not including esops by the way right the base salary of the previous coh right and I

feel what that essentially does in a very simplistic mathematical term is make it a one-ear payback period right it's more complicated than that right right it's not as simple as this but at least from an Optics standpoint I feel that that's a Justified fee structure right and I think given the fact that the program is One year long and not two years long you're actually making money one year sooner right so if you were to compare the ROI of a one-ear program ver is a 2-year program it's not about the fees anymore right it's about

the one year that you save where you're actually earning a full-time salary right right so the ROI almost doubles automatically just because of that one year that you Sav and it's funny when people say that no but there you're paying x amount for Two years but that does not matter you're earning like you your opportunity cost is that much longer your bank balance is being hit for longer you're saving later so here you're absolutely right in pointing that out yeah and and to me I really strongly believe I mean you did a 2-year program so

but but in the second year in the last 6 months I was doing nothing there you go I mean people could choose to be productive but because everything that was supposed to Be done and the the Delta that came in the first 12 13 months versus the Delta that came in the last 11 months there was a significant change in that yeah I mean see there's an internship in the middle that's four months gone then there's so many holidays in the middle which we don't have so ours is a much more intense intense program compact

program but the number of hours by the way the classroom hours that 2-year program has and Master's unit which is a 16-month program it's exactly the same it's still 800 hours of contact which is also what you need for a 2-year accreditation which we have applied for even being a 16-month program right so there's no compromise on the number of hours it's just more tightly packed so that you can start earning uh faster I think there's another thing which we should talk about which is many students actually join their companies even before they Finish the

program right I think that's again something that's very unique to Master's Union whereby not a large percentage but at least 15 to 20% students end up joining in their term seven or term eight and they end up doing their last two terms online which I have not seen anywhere before and I think it just makes a lot of sense you can frontload your credits make sure that the last two terms are not that heavy and join your company two year two Months before you graduate correct right that's that's amazing I mean so most I mean

even though the program is 16 months I would say that the students start their job on average at the 13th or 14th month yes yes you know absolutely I think that that adds a lot of value and I think generally when people think of whether an MBA program is worth it or not uh I don't think they should only look at the finances and the numbers and the salaries and all of that I think the way when you get married right you don't look at the amount of money you invest in a wedding function uh

and you know seek Roi from there it is something that investing within yourself which will stay with you forever right so just when you're thinking of whether an MBA is worth it or not do look at the finances sure but also look Beyond it right give enough weightage to the kind of network you will build the kind of Alumni network You'll be a part of the kind of you know faculty that you'll be exposed to this is way more important and Timeless than the first job that you will get and the first CPC that you'll

get the overall upskill upskilling that's happening for you you would have transformed as an individual so to to call you would have changed orbits you know like I don't know if anybody everybody knows this but in chemistry you know if you throw energy at an atom the electrons change Orbits right and that's essentially what we are trying to do with this program that help you change orbit and I think that's priceless that truly is priceless okay and uh about scholarships and banking Partners I'll quickly take that one up we have banking Partners which will cover

up up to 100% of your fees and accommodation Etc so you're not struggling in terms of you know getting um um you know your finances sorted irrespective where your savings are uh Of course uh we also have the option to have a cliff of first two years where you don't have to worry about paying your loans in the first two years and the loan repayment actually yeah so the 2-year moratorium ensures that you're not burdened by that uh immediately as you start your careers there are sufficient scholarships again they're very very competitive they're Merit based

they're coming from different board members with different different Fields you should go check them out but uh scholarships are simply Merit based uh I would say there are too many it's very very competitive but for the deserving candidates there's always scholarship yeah and and just beyond scholarships I mean the way scholarships work at Master's Union is that generally it's one of our masters who endows a scholarship right and so even during the year or even post admissions we have sometimes new scholarships that become Available and we roll them out immediately we don't wait until next

year right so as in when scholarships become available we call them bseries as in when when they become available we open it out to people and um I think a lot of students have been you know beneficiaries of these scholarships even during the program or just before the program starts I also want to mention one thing because this doesn't get covered so much the number of uh prize Awards that we give throughout these outclass competitions if I add that up we are probably giving in the range of 50 to 70 lakhs or maybe even more

no no much more yeah much more yeah absolutely so let's do the math let's do the math so last year between Drop Shipping M Awards cre a challenge challenge Awards VIP preed VIP MVP VIP GTM and VIP final demo day between all six seven of these initiatives you would have let's say given grants of upwards of I mean the VIP finale itself was just I think 50 55 LHS right so upwards of one CR easily correct easily and then if you add founder fellowships on top of that that would be another 2 three CR I'm

guessing right so almost 3 to 4 CR is another scholarship base that you can can tap into if you make use of the resources here at Master's Union and this is over and above the scholarships or the grants that companies sometimes partner with us or you know prizes that companies give There so many small life projects where companies paying you know small stiens these are not full-time internships with just small stip that are being paid no absolutely I think you know you know Meg the very first year when we were inducting our first first cohort

we had this hashtag which was called which was called graduate debt free wow if a student really wants they they truly can yeah they truly can graduate debt-free Master's Union will give you enough Opportunities to earn your entire investment back not when you start a job but even during the program itself and I think every year we have five six students yes who easily in real cash make enough money back to cover the entire cost of their program correct right so if you truly make use of the Master's Union opportunity you will graduate debt free

in fact hash graduate debt free I agree no fantastic I think and that's The idea that this is not a financial burden that's getting added it's a uh skill that's going to help you uh shift or bits okay so last few questions we'll take we'll have to pause at this point otherwise it'll keep going on no one wants to watch such a long podast it's just going on uh def for admits is that allowed or not maybe in one out of 25 cases if you have a genuine reason we have done this in the past

but more often than not you'll hear a no but if There is a reason something in the family or something financially we are happy to talk uh and engage so send us an email students who are weight listed what are the probability that they're going to get through because there are some students who are weight listed right now and they are getting anxious that list is small usually and I think it's worth the weight uh last year we maybe opened up 30% of the weight list okay this year I'm guessing the number Might be slightly

smaller maybe 10 to 15% sure but hang in there but also keep your other options open please yes yes I agree this is my favorite question so I'm going to take this one actually R1 versus R2 versus R3 AB uh what are the advantages disadvantages I would strongly recommend apply early although we are now the only deadline that's left right now is round three which is fine uh but think of it this way you're competing in a class of say 200 300 x Number of seats have already gone so every time you're competing for fewer

seats with more number of people who are maybe uh who are waiting for the last round to you know apply then the second part is your basic like you know scholarship amounts they we by we try to keep a uniform pool but again uh the pool uh decrees sharly right and even your hosle like small small things where we have priority first come first serve so hosle u a lot of people in round one To end up getting it more easily so those are some advantages disadvantages and even within the round it's helpful to apply

earlier in the round right like don't wait till the last day because when it comes to hostage allocation even that will matter as to when you actually finish your application absolutely so that's why I think um strongly strongly a big believer that applies sooner have your options open you'll know where you want to go then uh I was a R1 applicant In Stanford another anecdote is that imagine now I've already uh because we truly also value the diversity of the classroom now imagine I've already taken a MC type candidate in round one my willingness to

bring another MC would be lower because I know that there is already a MC who contribute to the classroom so I mean just to give you an example I think in round one and round two we've already taken at least two people from the Army right and I think That was our quota for Army so unless we get a great candidate we'll probably not open it up to another Army diversity candidate precisely precisely so I think that's why apply sooner so that you know you also also you have a much longer time to bond with

your classmates get a head start you know um some people start taking those YouTube courses that we throw I mean right away I see so much engagement on those I'm see all the term zero requirement send us resum Lings and The L you said that yesterday I saw the Consulting prep everything we've been sending to these students so they're going to get Head Start um and um yeah all right and then I think last question pram that I'm going to pick from this one are the questions I feel we've covered in some way or the

other is that Master Union as an alternative to going abroad do you see it as a good alternative what are the pros and cons of someone who's actually thinking of Playing abroad I think things have changed abroad a little bit yeah right I think when you and I went to college abroad at that time job opportunities there were far easier to crack right this is true for the US UK Canada to an extent some countries in Europe we're living in a world where countries are becoming more and more insulated yes right Donald Trump does not

want people coming into the US Trudeau does not want Indians coming into Canada uh the UK the UK government also I mean even though it's an Indian Prime Minister Indian origin I mean he's also shut off a lot of the UK universities to International students so now I think what's happening is fewer and fewer students would want to go abroad because it will make less and less sense for them because they're not going to get the ROI say if you go to a top five College in the US if you go to Stanford please go

to Stanford right hopefully we'll beat Stanford one Day but we are still you know slightly slightly almost there yes but let's say if you're not getting into a top five or top seven College do consider options in India correct because your Roi will genuinely make more sense in India my network is here imagine like today I feel so so much foro that all of my classmates 70% of all of Stanford class ends up back in Silicon Valley which would mean that they're forming deeper connections I'm here and I have a much Smaller alumni pool here

so I'm actually relying more on my nsit Alumni network uh than my Stanford Alumni network here and the other thing is that tomorrow if the probability of you getting an H1B or getting a job there is so less this year you know 800,000 people 8 lakh people applied for H1B and only 1.25 lakh people are going to get it right and that means the S lakh people who studied probably many of them undergrad in the US will have to come back to India right So that Roi completely goes for a toss and you'll come back

with maybe 10 times the debt you know an undergrad in the US today costs upwards of 3 crores three cres insane right and an MBA in the US costs maybe two two and half crores yeah I mean just the tution was 1.5 and this was 5 years back so I'm sure the inflation and then the living cost and you know all the other additional costs that are there 2 of MB so I mean if you Are I'm still paying my loan by the way I I've been five years out of the college and I don't

think I'm going to be done another 3 4 years at least especially because I decided to be a Founder cor but then that limits your you know opportunities the the ability to take risk is going to reduce further because of that so I I think for that reason maybe five years ago my answer would have been very different today I would strongly suggest to consider Indian colleges more than you consider US Canada or european or British colleges the ROI today is not there maybe tomorrow it changes right maybe tomorrow countries become more open maybe the

government changes maybe um you know the Democrats come back to Power in the US and and then everything will be okay but this year studying for your MBA in India makes a lot more sense than studying abroad I agree with you uh great so pram we have questions still Coming in but I'm going to literally stop looking my there sorry there's one more question the student has texted me three four times I'll let you take that then it's about hosts okay yes and that's a fair question which we can spend some time on and and

I think the question is basically like what's the hostel life like and do we get a hostel or is it compulsory I think a few points there we can cover quickly it's more logistical hostel is not compulsory but It's highly recommended that you stay in the hostel because you build a community there right if you're married if you have kids if you have a family in that case it's it's optional for you of course uh let's say you live in G you want to stay on your own please feel free to you might have some

specific requirements but the rest of you more than welcome to stay in the hostel our hostel is also quite heavily subsidized I know it still might sound a little bit More expensive because this is in the middle of good the go uh but believe me it's worth it the hostel will never be more than 20 25 minutes away from campus we have regular shuttles to and fro uh and there is what I'm told a very happening hostel life I've never been a part of it I don't know if you've gone to any of the events

that they hold but but I hear it's nice and G you can't really go wrong yeah you can't go wrong in Gau and adding to that pram uh Because you touched on the hostel also talking about you know because we don't have the traditional campus space some people feel that oh I'm not getting enough opportunities to play Etc and you and I have both gone out to these games with students we have these facilities where you can access all sports facilities through these credits that we are offering to the students and the beauty is that

in a recent I think it was I'm lakau or kashipur I'm forgetting Which one yeah both them okay so our students beat these colleges in a lot of sports also other than the case competitions that we've been winning but to me it was truly beautiful that we not we don't have a traditional uh space but still no but I mean you have a gym on campus which is the nicest gym I have ever seen in my life right just downstairs right here right but more importantly in guro there are at least 20 Sports Arenas where

you have Badminton basketball tennis horse riding shooting and if our students sorry golfing golfing it's right here yeah you told me about this place yeah so all of these options are literally in a 2 three mile radius and all of our students have access to these spaces for free so if you want to play tennis tomorrow we will pay for that in any of these spaces in gam right so in a sense you actually have way more sporting options than one single campus could ever offer you Sor Right and by the way I play badminton

all Monday and Wednesday nights with students uh and generally I beat them so uh no it's a lot of fun we all play as a team and um I've also played basketball once it's a lot of fun so the city essentially becomes your campus right and G is a great place to be a campus and I feel like gur gets a bad rep when it comes to you know security and safety and I think that's improved a lot I do I think I feel a lot more comfortable as a Women I can say that for

sure that you know I've gone out enough times at night even if I don't have a driver with me even if I've taken a public transport I feel today the Public Services in terms of Ubers and Olas and everything they've made it very very easy to do Smart's there so everything is fragged you can share your location with your partner your friends and all so you can be very sure and I have not had any instance in the last whatever years that have been Here um where I would feel unsure about whether I should have

been here or not yeah and that's a great time to uh there a great segment to finishing this I hope that all the questions got answered these are the most frequently asked questions and uh I think we have answered them in quite a little bit of detail one hour of detail yeah I think the best way to do this would be to break these perhaps I think it's a great idea uh and send them to students Anything else no I think I'm excited for students to continue applying it's the last round it's very very competitive

it's we're seeing excellent uh like you know applications so just put in all the hard work it's all worth it yeah I mean you you you touched on this topic which is all the interesting applications I want to talk maybe one minute about you know it is so interesting the kind of applications we are receiving we have had people who have been celebrity Apprentices they've worked with celebrities as a Celebrity Apprentice we have students who applied who come from Merchant Navy from army someone who's been on a missile Navy boat for like 10 years I

mean imagine the kind of experiences they'll bring to the table we have um people who run their own restaurants we have people who run their own d2c Brands we have students milon followers on uh like you know yeah the a we will not sorry we we too much a lot Of influencers who have applied a lot of very unique students who I never thought would think about doing an MBA yeah right those are the kinds of people who have applied and I can you know I mean we have sent those messages on our internal groups

so the kind of students I'm just going to maybe open that up and uh share a few more as they come to our mind someone who spent seven years at McKenzie someone who's a satellite engineer low orbit satellite engineer Whatever that means we have someone uh yeah left Commander uh in the Army right I mean that would be a we have someone who's an aurc doctor wow who's applied um which is also so interesting we have u a professional poker player who was applied yes I saw that one I really excited is a professional poker

player he's been a poker player for almost 3 years and super interesting the application I'm not sure if all of them will get in or not but definitely very Interesting people who applied yeah the quality of the cohort that comes in together using such diverse um you know applications to me that's very exciting because then suddenly even though you're not a professional poker player maybe you are I don't know uh but then because you have someone you can easily learn from his or her experience and uh that's yes right I think that's a great note

to end on yes absolutely thank you so much thanks thanks Me