The Trader Dominating Kalshi’s Mention Markets (Full Interview)

Ladies and gentlemen, we are live with the one and only Tyel. I can't believe Tyel, it's been this long since we're in a call together. I was saying that before. >> Yeah, seriously, man. I mean, you and I have been chatting in the DMs and on Twitter for I feel like a year and a half, two years now, and finally connecting, man. So, it's awesome to to finally jump on a call. >> Yeah, dude. It's it's crazy. I mean, for those that are not familiar with Tyial, I mean, you've been posting a lot and like

I'm sure a ton of people at least on the Kowi side or mention side are very familiar, but like you've gone on a pretty generational run in like the last three months. Uh, you know, closing in on 100K. I think you're at 99 and a halfK right now. So, like it might be tonight. >> Yeah, we're super close, man. Um, if I Can, you know, do well on this Gavin Newsome market and uh a couple of these sports ones, we'll we'll we'll break it. Uh but yeah man it's been a crazy you know few months.

I've been into prediction markets you know for year and a half two years now. Um you know was doing a lot of mentions on poly market leading into the election. U loved doing the the rallies that was kind of like my bread and butter back then. >> Um and then yeah man just like the past Few months Khi has like really invested heavily in the mentions category. you know, they hired full-time, you know, staff to create markets and >> like really like promote the liquidity on there. You know, I don't know if they're doing it

through calli trading or just whoever, right? But they're they're crushing it on liquidity. Uh they've got a great user base. >> They understand distribution. Like, dude, I'm super impressed with all these Partnerships they keep mailing with, you know, Coinbase and Phantom and all this stuff. So, yeah, man. Call She's been awesome. I freaking I love that platform. Uh, you know, it's been great. >> Yeah. For mentions, it's been like parabolic lately, which is just crazy. I mean, I I made a post the other day, but it's like you'll resonate having been in the space for

a while, but it's like six months ago, it feels like I'd be happy if we got like a Caroline Levit speech Like once a week or something and like maybe a one-off Trump thing, but it was kind of like a weekly thing. You'd get u you know, mentions. I I'm in a group with like a lot of the top kind of maybe five or so like pretty solid mentions traders and like back then we were like oh if I could make a 100K a year like on mentions that'd be and now like as we were

all talking about 2026 just with the crazy volume of mentions they're all like 500k this year like you know Because it's like now it's a like a legitimate category like just with the absolute volume they're doing the frequency the numbers like um so yeah I It it's explosive, you know, what's happened to mentions on Koshi in like the last few months. >> Yeah, dude. Um, it went from being a thing where it's like you're saying it was, you know, small time where I was going, okay, you know, this is like some fun little side money

that you're making To where it becomes like a really serious uh interest, you know, because you're making 30 50k a month, you know, on on mentions. It's like, okay, I'm going to dedicate a lot more time uh to what I'm doing here. And just looking at the future, you know, where we're going with prediction market growth and, you know, the, you know, expanded distribution, I'm just feeling that it's a great space to lock into mentions is like >> very relatable to the average person, right? Because you can go in there and say, >> I like

I like Trump or I like Obama, right? And I'm gonna just say, okay, is he gonna, you know, say Sleepy Joe today, right? or is he going to talk about like healthare or whatever? And it's just very easily relatable. >> You kind of have the vibes of it that you know kind of it's almost like sports in that sense, right? Where it's very Relatable to the common guy. >> Yeah. >> It's kind of like there's like the vibes element for the average person who's into them. >> 100%. Yeah. And it's like I I think uh

mentions clearly they're great for content obviously like um they're just very fun mark uh markets like you're saying to where it's like they'll attract like a user that's just wanting to kind of have fun as well. So it Presents the opportunity to where like if you're a very serious participant like combing through transcripts, getting data, all that stuff. that's like uh you know can obviously be a lot of opportunities like I'm curious um your thoughts like cuz what I start to feel sometimes is like with how big it's getting like on you know both mentions

and then also like I've recently gone into like sports like there are all these partnerships like how long do you Think this like age lasts do you ever think about that or like get I mean I'm sure you do >> yeah like the like how long is like the goldilocks period here like what how long does the golden age last >> uh you know So like when you think about it like the the most attractive markets, right, to like big big money are going to be these like economic markets, right? So like Fed Rates, you

know, you talk about like elections, things that have like really high volume. There's like lots of data out there so you can really easily model it, right? the the farther you get towards the fringes, right, the harder it's going to be for people to develop really good models and market make and really throw lots of liquidity in there, right? So, you know, you think about stuff like mentions, you're you're on the skirts in mentions, right? You talk About like >> culture markets, you're kind of just in in the weeds on that, right? Um versus something,

you know, again, like I'm talking about Fed rates, it's like if you look at the volume on that, how high that that volume is, it's already incredibly efficient. you you're trading against Yes. >> like Wall Street level modeling people, right? Versus mentions, you know, how many folks really out there in the Mentions community have like really good data models on like NFL or really good data models on Trump, right? It's probably a handful, you know, less than less than 50 for sure, you know? U you're competing against a smaller pool, right? Um and that's really

really interesting. And that's another reason I like it is because again when you think about like where newcomers are going to be and like where is it liquidity going to go to it's things that people can Relate to. So culture mentions sports those are like really relatable kinds of markets for folks and that's why I see the growth potential here. So, I've really focused in on the, you know, the edge here versus like in the past when I started trading, you know, prediction markets, I was like trying to do like geopolitics sometimes too or like

>> Yeah. Going out of my lane like, you know, I'm not like an expert on, you know, Ukraine Russia relations, right? So like understanding just you know where your edge is and and staying there. I think that's a really important point and it's like because I mean the advice you'll hear from like myself from everyone whenever they're ready is like pick a niche right because you can't be an expert in like every single category but then also it's like >> combine that as well with like be humble of like yeah you know just knowing because

even within mentions for example Like I mostly play Trump and I'll play announcer markets but like I'm not gonna necessarily play like this Nvidia keynote that just happened like I didn't have any good data on it. I didn't I didn't play it and people are asking well what do you think about you know so it's just important to yeah a pick a niche and then just being humble of like knowing where your spots are like if I don't feel like I have an edge here and I think that's also been something that I've had to

like learn more and more with you know group think as well to where you know if all these people are saying something's a bond I've gotten burned a few times just kind of tailing a few people I think I've lost like 10k this year on quote unquote bonds all at like 90 and I'm like why did I just So, you know, just just focusing on what you know and not, you know, spreading too thin, I guess. >> Yeah. I'm a big zig when they zag guy, You know, like when I see something priced at like

>> 97 cents going into an event, my first like thought process isn't like, oh, this is a lock, I'm going like, why the [ __ ] is this at 97 cents? And then I try to like kind of like think back like, well, is it really justified? Right? And like, >> are you talking about safety here? safety dunk, you know, those are kind of like my those are my lanes, dude. Um, And like, you know, today, right, there was a a mom Donnie presser and I I didn't really have a lot of time. I jumped

on and started trading it like literally as it started. So, I was just like taking like wherever I could. I saw like safe is like a really like >> highly priced thing and I see him with the governor and like three other officials and I'm going like how long is this guy actually gonna talk here? like this this can't be very long. So like Everything valued >> so high, you know, and yes, I'm going like but like really, you know, you have to you had to buy traffic. Yes, because it said traffic on the [

__ ] sign that he was like standing in front of, you know what I mean? But uh >> you get the the point, right? Is it's kind of like thinking like >> both sides of something. Um, and I think something folks kind of trap people fall into is like chasing that consensus Thought like you said and then you end up paying this like consensus premium >> on that as well, right? Because everybody else is also aping into that trade with you because it's consensus, right? So like the price just by nature becomes like even higher,

right? Uh >> yeah. And it's funny in that regard that it's like I feel like as more and more sharps and like people focusing on mentions are popping up I like that that discussion on like consensus it's like On one angle mentions are getting somewhat sharper in the sense that like people are tailing consensus. So to the extent of like if if they post something on roll call that says close press, you know, now people are going that extra step to at least check roll call, but they're kind of the offset of that is they're

usually overvaluing a lot of the times like buying nos because it says close press just on roll call. um you know things like that or or like on some Of the Trump speeches this year um there's been a lot of them where if they're recurring annual speeches that he gives people will now do the data to look at his first term speeches and they'll say oh this isn't going to happen or XYZ but then they're again like going to the offset that is they're going to overindex sometimes to like the first term so so they're

getting sharper in the sense that people are doing research but also >> the flip >> but they but they overvalue historical data in a lot of a lot of like instances, right? So like >> uh current events always will like circumvent whatever the past was, right? So like >> a great example was like the uh this meet the press uh market that happened on Sunday morning, right? So like Meet the Press releases a promo reel Friday. It talks about healthc care and Marjorie, you know, Taylor Green leaving Congress, etc. Saturday, Venezuela. It was overnight. Venezuela

gets bombed. We were in the holidays. All right. I was drinking a lot, you know, having a good time. So, my, you know, chronology or dates here are a little off. >> Yeah, >> you get what I'm saying here. But essentially, the real was posted before the Venezuela events happened. They had no knowledge of the event when they Posted the real. Those events changed the content of the interview, right? Because that supersedes anything else that's happening in the world right now, >> right? So, like all of those things all of a sudden became a lot

more valuable in this market, but the the market was like very undervaluing them, right? Because they were going off of whatever this real was saying. Um, so that's kind of like just >> current events always are like the most Important thing. Um, yeah. And one thing I've learned too is like speakers change over time too, right? Like this term Trump is far more unhinged >> than last term. Like Trump just doesn't >> completely like >> Yeah. I mean, dude, we're like we're at a commencement speech and it turns into a rally, you know? We're at

a turkey the turkey pardoning. Even the turkey pardoning got unhinged. Like, >> how do you screw up a turkey pardoning? But like, you know, uh like it's just it's it's wild. Um so, I think you you got to like really be conscious of of how speakers evolve over time. >> Yeah. I guess like a lot of people that I talk to in mentions um it's like a balance usually of like they'll say vibes versus transcripts right like and kind of so you have the data piece there versus the vibes kind of current events I guess

like where do you feel like you fall in that mix between you know using Vibes current events and also like just historical data. >> Yeah. So Trump Trump is more vibesheavy. It's like you know 30% data 70% vibes right. Um it it's way more on a whim. So certain politicians are more like formulaic than others, right? So like uh for example, Kamla was like extremely formulaic, right? Like she was incredibly easy >> to predict like um Newsome's becoming a little bit more like Trumpish in the sense of like he he's a little bit more all

over the place now. Um but like uh you know >> I think the best example of this of like a transcript heavy one >> would be earnings calls right those are like >> those are really data heavy that's probably like 70% data 30% current events u so the flip opposite then you have other guys who are in in the middle right uh >> NFL announcers are really interesting because it's not only like historical data relevant but it's also like location relevant it's team relevant Yeah, >> right. And that's where like fumble, I was loving fumble.

Uh because like with certain teams, >> it was plus EV to take fumble. No, because they took care of the football, right? And >> even if they did fumble the football, Some announcers would like to say, "Oh, the other team took it away or they just uh whatever, right? There was variations of the word fumble." So, I really liked fumble now. And I'm like, I'm sad it's it's gone. But um yeah, like there's just kind of different formulas that you have to take into account for like all these different formats. Uh yeah, and that's >>

part of why I think Poly Market had like some sort of like the death of mentions On there because it was the same >> speakers, the same strikes. There was no freshness that the game got, >> right? And Coli's done a good job of having so many different types of formats and speakers that nothing's solved yet, right? And as long as they keep a good rotation going in, they keep varying the strikes. Yeah. The game won't solve. >> That's what I was saying like on the >> Yeah. the variations of the strikes. A Lot of

people were upset. But like I was saying, it's like this is good for the market. It's like it's going to get boring if you have all the same strikes and then yeah, it's just like they're priced pretty efficiently by like a few people who have pretty good data on it. Um so yeah, I I was happy to see them rotate the strikes. I I feel like for me um I definitely view the announcer mentions heavily data wise like but I would caveat that in saying like Probably half the strikes I just avoid because I know

>> you need to go granular into the data with some of them like nextgen stats like I got burned on that the other day. Did you get burned on that in the Monday Night Football integration? I I I Yeah, I did because it had never hit in Monday Night Football ever. Ever. And then they announced the partnership hour before. >> I had like 3K shares, man. >> Same, bro. I took a fat L on that. >> Yeah, I dumped at 50 cents thankfully. Um but I feel like Yeah, for those announcer mentions, I'll avoid half

the strikes. Um because I know it's like I need to do a lot of research to I can't just rely on like the data obviously because they're very like game dependent like who the matchup is whatever. Um but yeah I I I do view those more and I mean the good thing about announcer mentions is like if you have the time to be able to watch the game you can get some Pretty incredible live fills. I mean you were joking about it with like roughing the passer but like there's so many examples of things like

that. I mean, I had one where I got filled 500 shares rough in the past now at 2 cents because it was such a liquid book like >> Yeah, that was insane. U Yeah, I love I love those kinds of strikes too where like or like one-handed for example, right? Like because a lot of times an announcer will say one hand, they'll say One hands. They'll say like all different variations of of one hand, you know, and someone may be like a little, you know, overeager and like snipe the book and you can get a

crazy fill. Uh well, I was telling my buddy about uh you know, a lot of times when I do these NFL announcer markets, so I'll do it on my you know, TV in the living room and I've got two, you know, young kids running around and they're just like making noise being wild and I'm like, God, I like be quiet. I'm trying to hear. I'm trying to, you know, I'm trying to like listen for these small things and I've like accidentally bought things before, you know, where they were not said and then I'm like sweating,

you know, for the next 45 minutes hoping it hits. Uh, >> so yeah, if you, you know, if you trade, it's optimal to not do it with your kids screaming. >> 100%. Yeah. I I'd say my favorite ever Uh trade that I did for like 200 bucks on an NFL announcer mentioned, but I felt like such a genius afterwards was uh they were doing it like a 30 40 yard or like a 40- yard field goal. So there's a good chance it was going to be no good. Obviously, I know you're familiar like they're not

always going to say no good, but if they miss a field goal, fair value is probably like 85, you know? So there was like 500 shares sitting in the book at like 50 cents. Uh, and I pulled up the money line for the game to get the lowest latency determination because obviously money line's going to move based off if it's good or not. And as soon as I saw money line move, I sniped the 500 and then they're like, it's no good. I'm like, I'm so smart. Like, >> dude, what a play. What a play.

>> This is what it takes. >> But that's like one of the really fun things about prediction markets, right? Is like you can find the coolest little edges if you just like use your brain, put in the work, right? Like there may be correlations to things that like nobody has identified before and you make that connection in your mind and then you could take advantage of that, right? Like at the end of the day, prediction markets really are just like monetization of information, right? So like the faster you have the information, the better you are

at Deciphering that fast, more money you can make in some of these cases. Um, super super interesting, right? The rules cases are like great examples of that, right? Like uh the tax versus taxpayer or like Obama what was the Obama saying Obamacare, right? >> Yeah, that one was I can't believe I didn't get it. Did you see Venezuelan today? >> Yeah. Yeah, that was another >> I got 500 at 20 cents like right when That >> like on the Yeah, >> my fill wasn't as good. I got it in like the 60s, but I still

got like 800 shares or something of it, you know, which was great. >> It's crazy because I was thinking about it in the moment and I hesitated. If I had put like a,000 at 6 cents, I probably could have gotten the initial fill from someone trying to uh but but yeah, just just spots like that to where You can know there's a really high likelihood he's going to say Venezuelan instead of Venezuela. It's like so so definitely live trading >> um >> can be very profitable. But again, you're taking the risk there that he's going

to say Venezuela and you're going to get bonded before you can pull the >> 100%. You know, but and like all these strategies kind of like the way I look at things is like, you know, you're Going to take L's, right? That's just like part of the game. You just have to like say, okay, is this strategy going to make more money than it's going to lose, right? Like over time, if the strategy is making money, you're you're plus EV, right? That's it, right? Um, so it's like worth it to to continue to press an

edge. And like, you know, I see like the the people are always debating like, oh, you know, the mention markets versus meme coins or prediction markets, Whatever. That's I think it's a dumb comparison. Uh, because like >> that stuff like a lot of that stuff in crypto is about being early, right? Like prediction markets are about being right and like understanding fair value and um you know if you can understand fair value and really get that you can repeat the edge over and over and over and over and over. It's really hard to repeat an

edge in memecoins unless you're like insider trading or you have some kind of Like sophisticated like tooling that nobody else has, right? Um yeah, >> so it's like a much more level playing field. I I think too on on memecoins like uh you know I've never traded meme coins or really crypto in general but I also feel like um you know it's like to to your point on like repeatability and also like to me it'd feel hard to be able to distinguish did I get lucky or was this like a long-term profitable trade buying XYZ

coin and then also it's just like >> how would I s systematically like price a token you know it's just >> well there's no there's no intrinsic value to it, right? Like when you when you're talking about like these altcoins, memecoins, whatever, right? Like it's basically just like playing a hot potato game with a bag of [ __ ] and like whoever gets caught with it last, right, gets gets rinsed versus like a prediction market. Like if I buy a Contract, there's intrinsic value with the contract regardless of the up down of the price, right?

Like um so it's just it's not like even >> it's just a completely different game that >> Yeah. You know, I I I I think it's way more fun and you know, it mentally >> stimulating. >> Yeah. How much have you learned trading these markets? Like I've learned so many things about like grammar and just the World in in general that I never would have have thought about or done if I wasn't into these markets. Uh so like I think that's one of the big attractions of it. And because it's so broad, you have such

a huge like target audience, right? And that's why I think these things are just going to keep growing and growing. Uh the I think the Goldilocks period is is going to be for a little while. It's not like crypto in the sense of where there's like some Kind of like contagion event that can just like crash the entire >> Right. Yeah. >> market. You know, the real risk for prediction markets are regulators, you know, more than anything. Um >> or us just being so badly behaved that society calls us degenerates and writes us off. >>

That uh Yeah, man. telling people that I trade me. It's always a I just say uh prediction markets, you know, or event Contracts. That's way uh it's way better. Uh >> yeah, >> but uh the one thing you touched on was like earlier like that there's all these probably like correlations that people haven't even uncovered yet on like markets. And I just think that's a very great point of like a just changing how people maybe should think about like trading on a prediction market because I feel like very frequently people will Just uh have this

view of like to succeed on prediction markets you have to be able to pick the outcome right of a yes or no like uh and I've probably somewhat encouraged that a little bit because like on the content side it's going to be boring if I'm like arbitrageing to you know what I mean like it's >> Yeah. Uh but for me historically like I have never liked being directionally like exposed to one side like what what I mostly have always done is like just arbitrageing either correlated markets different exchanges you know so I think like that's

just a good point to for people to think about and also like um what I love the most about prediction markets is it's just like they encourage you to just try to be as clever as possible in like finding certain edges. Um, and that's why like even when I think about things drying up like like if you look at sports for example that Are some of the most deep liquidity high volume you know markets like I can personally attest like the edges that I found even in these super deep markets just by being very uh

clever and like thinking about how maybe correlated markets in sports like it's you know yeah it's crazy and it's it's very fun and like you said like it's it's very stimulating. and you just learn a ton, you know, with whatever market you're kind of trading. >> Yeah, 100%. And I think like a traders think more through that lens, right, of like correlations and hedges and like trying to to like minimize like draw down some capital versus like a lot of like retail, like your average guy, he's just coming in there and he's like, "Dude, I

like the bears." Like I'm buying the bears, you know? Uh, and like you kind of have to, you know, if you want to be long-term profitable with these things, like you really have to Start thinking in the sense of like what is like objectively the fair value of something here. And like if you know it's not at what the fair value is, then like you have an edge there. That's all >> percentage points that should be, you know, in theory profit, right? Because eventually the book will correct to the fair value. And in like the

higher liquidity markets, you see those happening a lot faster than in like some of these more fringe markets like right Mentions for example. Um but like all that inefficiency adds to you know the profits that you can make and you know makes those those markets a lot more attractive. Um so yeah super interesting kind of just how to work your brain on these things. You know, it's like, okay, yeah, Trump bombs or he doesn't bomb Venezuela. Like, you know, he he goes in there and gangs Maduro. >> Like, what are all the correlated things to

this event happening, right? So, Like, how does that affect China invading Taiwan? How does that affect US striking Iran? How does that affect the, you know, Iranian leader >> going out of office this this year, right? Like there's all these like other correlations that kind of come into play. And that's like an interesting point because like even with like Trump mentions in terms of like >> kind of viewing them differently, very rarely nowadays am I even focused on Like a strike by strike when I think about Trump. You know, it's much more so is this

going to be like a yapfest? Is there going to be room for him in the sense of like what's the speech going to look like? And then if I'm live trading something, it's less so that something's going to happen to make me think he's going to say Maduro or something. And it's much more, oh, this thing happened, therefore I got to buy as many nos as I can before prices correct. Or this thing Happened, I got to just load up on yeses across the board. Um, yeah. And I just see that happening to me more

and more as I trade. Less so announcer mentions because those I is more strike sensitive, but like Trump and things like that, it's it's I less I'm looking at them as in this word is like something I'm focused on and more so just >> is this a yes fest or a no sweep, you know? >> And then thinking about it in phases, right? So like for let's say this is an announcement about pharmaceutical drugs, right? So like okay, what what what's going to happen during the prepared remarks phase like what's likely to hit here and

you know how long is this going to be? And then Q&A like what what could potentially hit in this section, right? Because they're like two very like distinct things to to like bet on, right? Because there also may be a Situation where let's say they dropped the Epstein files an hour before and he's doing this pharma announcement. He's not going to really take Q&A today, right? Because like there's a lot of like hot stuff he's reacting to versus a day where he's like >> Max Bravado. He's going to be taking Q&A and and like yapping

a lot, right? So just kind of like understanding these different segments and then the current Events, right? It touches back to what we talked about about like Trump just being so vibesheavy because like it changes by the minute, dude. Like remember the Zalinski uh bilateral that happened early last year where he like threw the >> where he was like I have the cards. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. That whole thing, right? Because like that was looking like it was going to be a typical Yep. Yes. Yap, right? And then all of a sudden like the

cards turned like that and all of a sudden like you know you had to react to things >> right >> really quickly or else you got wrecked. Um >> yeah and I like that point you brought up about the phases of speeches as well because in terms of like thinking about strikes because something frequently I'll I'll find is like um there are a lot of words that you'll see pre-spech That would only come up in Q&A yet the price will still move if it's not said in the open. You know what I And it's like

it's just very inefficient. So, >> I mean, it's probably honestly for Trump speeches, it's probably a profitable long-term strategy to just wait till the open ends and just buy every single unsaid yes at like I'm not going to lie, you know? >> Yeah. Well, and like the market's overreacting in a lot of these cases, Right? Like you're talking about the open close press like FUD, right? like that there was so many crazy overreactions and like it was just at a certain point when like and I and I talk about this like if the if the

price gets like so egregious like you you have to buy the other side. It just becomes like you're forcing me to do it even if I like don't like this trade. Like >> yeah, >> the price I like the price so I'm going To have to do it, you know? Uh it's one of those kind of things. Like I was even like looking at this like Logan Paul auction, you know, earlier and I was like >> uh I was almost like convincing myself to like lotto a bracket that maybe I shouldn't because I'm like dude

like like really is it is that >> was that the fight or which one was that? >> Uh the this this Pokemon auction that's Going down. So, there's one for the Illustrator card and then there's one for the Charizard card. And like the pricing on these these strikes is just like it's crazy when you compare it to like recent Charizard sales. Um like it's like way way way higher. Um and so you're kind of like thinking about it and you're like who's the buyer for this, right? Like it's got to be somebody who's, you know,

like a millennial who has huge amounts of Disposable income and is also willing to pay a crazy Logan Paul premium on a card because these like all in the recent past sold for like 150 to, you know, max 300K. >> There's one really weird sale that happened three days ago for half a million, which is kind of like odd. Three days before this auction, all of a sudden this massive sale happens. I've traded NFTTS long enough to smell [ __ ] like you know I just it just is Weird. Um so yeah I was like

almost talking myself into like lottoing like a a lowriced auction uh because I think a lot of the money is going to flow to the illustrator and not to the Charizard. Uh but who knows, you know, these these games may not all be >> I I do feel like um on something like that, like uh like a random card game for the Logan Paul thing, like what I've realized, what I've come to find is like >> our earlier point was like staying in Your lane, whether it's mentions, whatever your category is. But I will caveat

that with anytime there is a market that just gets mass cultural appeal and becomes like front page and is just suddenly um you you have to get involved. Like that's just my opinion now. Like the the Jake Paul fight may have been one of the craziest nights. It's up there for me trading on Koshi like >> I mean the the because you know you have The flow of all these new users coming in and it just was like >> the markets the the the non-main market on just like who's going to win the fight like

all the alternate were just so crazy. I mean, it was like, so I I I I do feel like now, you know, anytime there's a big market um that becomes front page, like Times Personally, just things like that, like I'm going to get involved. Um because I I feel Yeah. turkey pardon. >> Turkey pardon. >> You know what what's hilarious is is Ben reposted like the clip from when I was had that on the stream >> and it was like, "Oh, I made $300 with the information I had at the time. I was saying I

literally should have had $10,000 on gold. your your thesis was banging, dude. Like you're you were so on point. >> It wasn't even a thesis. It was like I knew it was gobble. Like it was Basically announced beforehand and it's like >> I could have gotten probably 10k at 80 if I just kept >> and and I was that's what I was about to say is like how like inefficient was the pricing on that and and kind of like it this touches back to like what we were talking about earlier about like the more fringe

an event is and like the less data less solved it is the more inefficient a book is going to be, Right? So like that's like all kind of like just slop that you could take advantage of, right? And that's like why I totally agree with you. Like when you're you're on these like big huge flash markets like that, you've got to like jump in and get some action because there's just so much liquidity and they're hard as hell to handicap, right? Like in general. So like you're going to have people who are just straight up

wrong just, you know, dumping money on The the wrong thing. Um >> Yeah, exactly. And like I mean that's on like Jake Paul where it was just like yeah I was getting just things that were just like wrong getting fil and um I think what I struggle with is like on that gobble waddle one for example is the the stupider it gets harder to handicap >> because you can't be as quantitative right it's like hard for me to convince myself to size up >> so that's something like you know with Trump I've had to learn

in the sense of being more vibesheavy and like get comfortable relying on that rather than data announcer mentions I will easily have $10,000 on any NFL announcer mention because I it's to me a lot of them a few strikes this doesn't apply to but for a significant amount of strikes it's kind of just same old same old um of course adjusting for days and things like that But um so it's like I will feel comfortable saying okay I'm getting XYZ and expected value if I lose 3K here I'm not going to be upset it's like

I just got to run the mill but with Trump, things like that. That's why looking at people like Moonlight and stuff that are like punting 10K on uh insane it. >> Yeah. >> I mean, dude, he's a he's an absolute Chad. Like, Moonlight's he one, he's super smart, like just Sharp at these markets, but two, like >> he has a very very good skill at scaling his bet sizing with his bankroll. Like, I'm I'm incredibly impressed. I don't know if it's just like him and I are at like different points in our life. you know,

he's a lot younger than I am and doesn't have kids and stuff. We're like, I feel it when I'm putting 10K on the line. Like, that's a, you know, that's a lot of money, dude. >> Versus Moon Moonlight's just like, bro, [ __ ] it, dude. I'm dumping 10K on the Gavin Newsome interview. You know what I mean? And like, he's just like he he has this like fearlessness that I just like I'm really it's confidence. Like, I'm really impressed with him. Really strong guy. >> You you realize it that he's doing the right thing.

And I know you like in terms of how he's sizing up and I actually so I interviewed him back when he had hit 30K and that was in like a Month. >> That's like a month ago. That was like a month ago. Insane. >> It's crazy. But it was like 1K to 30K. He made it like a month. And I remember even then when I was talking to him um basically um I was saying then that he was like still being able to size up going from 1K to 30K. And I was shocked that he

was like comfortable putting 5K on something where, you know, Kelly would probably more than agree with you. And uh >> now he's at 150K and he's still not struggling. Like he put 20K on the Jake Paul fight. Like he, you know, so it is crazy to see. And uh that's hopefully what I'm going to be in 2026. Uh, you know, um, that's my goal is just to like get comfortable sizing up in in all those spots because, you know, every time you miss them, you're just like, man, do you do you feel like you're still

uh unders sizing kind of Chronically? I'm I'm unders sizing big time like compared to like where my bankroll is and like uh >> you know that's where I see you know Moonlight and I'm I'm really impressed with him and today like >> cuz him and I make like so many of the same trades like you know it's it's like funny because yeah I feel like whenever I DM him and I are like always on the same side of something and it's kind of like funny and I like dude this guy is Just better at managing

his his bankroll and sizing than I am and I'm like dude I got to learn from this and like start having some coahones you know, like I've clearly proven I have an edge. It's just about having the confidence and putting the sack down and like, you know, hey, you know, you again, this game you're you're going to take losses. It's just all about long term. >> Do you you know, is your edge there and >> I'm confident in that. So, I'm like, Dude, I got to sack up, start sizing up more, dude, and >> and

start start catching my boy up there. >> Our goals for 2026. And you know, part of that for me is doing these weekly updates that I always do and stuff like that and like having it be tied in with the content. It creates this pressure to where I'm like wanting to be risk averse because I feel confident like I could easily crank out 3K plus a month if I'm Just doing small, you know, versus taking on higher variance but having much larger, you know, overall gains. So 2026, I'm probably going to private my account and

then I'll once a month I'll like, you know, unpublic it. That way I can just like uh go for it and be willing to throw 10K on, you know, big events. >> Yeah. And like, you know, there's all kinds of like external pressures like you're talking about when you're you're On a public account, right? And then like just >> Yeah. >> Uh >> people will like copy trade and they do all kinds of other things that just, you know, maybe you just don't want, you know, going on. That's part of why I try to keep

things like overall private. I used to be like really like open with everything I was trading. I would like post like a form thesis of like >> why I thought it was a good pick and this and that. >> And I I've like over time kind of like wanted to protect like my myformational edge and been like, okay, like let's let's like hold this here to the chest and I'm going to try to like accumulate as much as I can. And I don't mind talking about markets where I've already like accumulated my position and I'm

I've hit my risk limit like I'm >> right >> I'll talk anything about that. But like otherwise I'll I I kind of try to keep >> you know the information to myself. Um but like you know there's certain things that I think uh are are helpful that you can share to the community. Like for example I was sharing earlier today kind of like my thoughts on pre-recorded events versus like live events, right? Because they're like very two different things to trade. there's like different kind of risks that you have to keep in Mind on both

of them and you know I like sharing that kind of stuff and that's part of why I wanted to to get back into streaming just seeing you know guys like you and easy and and a lot of folks out there you know doing some you know good prediction market content and >> I was like man you know I think doing something like once a week could be a cool you know little way to get back into it and share some of my thoughts on markets and there's a lot of sharp folks Man that will will

come on and just you know share information and that >> I found like really valuable from all these streams. So, uh I like it. >> Yeah. No, definitely 100%. Um >> I mean, yeah, goals 2026, you know, definitely size up. Do you have a um a number you've thought about for 2026 that you want to target? >> Yeah. I mean, I'm just I'm like trying to like my I'm not I'm trying not to think about it in like such a large Sorry, the odds are going off. >> The mail just uh The mailman just came

through, dude. I got three boxers, dude, that that love to bark. >> Oh, man. No. I I I want to get a dog soon. Uh I can't get a cat. >> Oh, dude. I' I've got all that. Uh yeah, you know, just kind of thinking about this year. I'm kind of trying to approach on like a day-to-day basis, right? Like, you know, >> yeah, >> make make thousand to $2,000 a day. Like just and do that over and over and over and that's, you know, gonna reap rewards in the end. I've actually found that like

to be like a very attainable goal to be to be honest because that's what I've been really focusing on like during December and I had my best month um was like up 50k or a little bit more than that in December was a really awesome Month. Um, and I think like liquidity will continue to, you know, improve. >> And that's where like >> I may be being conservative, you know, with like that goal because I think like >> it's all about the more volume you can get, right? Like so if you're if you're a profitable

trader and you have an edge, >> profit is just like a direct function of of volume, right? So you're like, I want to like get as much down as I can >> on as many markets as possible uh to try to maximize that. That's something I've been poor about in the past too is like bankroll efficiency, right? So like understanding like you want to have as much capital working as pos at a time as possible versus having it sit idle, you know, in your account doing nothing. Uh >> I that was for like at least

a month me. I had it idle and then like a week ago I just started bonding mentions like very frequently and I'm like why am I not Putting $80,000 on all these bonds frequently? It's like just dependent on how fast they resolve markets. So, it's like >> totally, dude. I got close, man. I was literally like running out of money this morning because I had so much down from over the holidays, you know? I was like, "Yeah, >> dude, if I don't get some resolutions this morning, >> I'm not bidding [ __ ] today." Like,

>> yeah, thankfully they came in and were like resolving a bunch, you know, in the morning. I'm on the West Coast, so I like, you know, have a little bit more time than than you guys on the East Coast. Um, but yeah, like it's it's just like a crazy, you know, amount of liquidity growth. And I think one of the things that's great about mentions too, you know, I I think about prediction markets like in kind of like two kinds of markets. You have like really Long-term markets, like low repeatability, long resolutions. Then you have

like quick resolution markets. They're highly repeatable like mentions, right? Like we could go today we had two Zoron events, dude. And then we've got like how many other things going on, right? Like yeah. >> So like you could repeat your edge like very very frequently even if your liquidity like isn't great for like one single event, >> right? >> You can still repeat that so freaking many times that like >> it's it's a it's a good lane to be in. You can start to like really compound your profits and get a lot of volume in

versus like >> something like the presidential election runner. I have to be like one extremely highly like conviction like have high conviction in one side, right? And I have to put like a significant amount of Money on that one thing. >> And if I'm wrong, >> I'm like really really wrong. Like I just wasted like the last six months on this trade. It failed. So that's like a big like hit to take versus like I could lose two grand on a mention market. >> Whatever, dude. I'm going to just like make it back on the

next one, >> you know? Like my next one will be in two hours, you know? U >> and I think that's a great point of just Like the repeatability with mentions as well. That's and that's why, you know, I think we were talking about this offstream, but like we're looking at NBA announcer markets. I think we don't have the best data on them now, but it's like putting in the effort to get a good edge in NFL announcer mentions. It's like that's a full season thing. And it's just like >> every time there's an announcer

mention, I know I'm going to like over the long Period of time like make there. I mean, there were weeks where it was just like I feel like I could have just sat there, done nothing, and put like 10K on each NFL announcer market, and I probably EV would have made at least 3K just on that alone. Like, >> so whenever I'm thinking about mentions because also like people will constantly ask me like, "Oh, are you playing this random oneoff like thing?" And it's just like I'm like no I'm gonna have to Invest like four

maybe three hours of time on this specific event to like it's like I would much rather do a Trump mention that it's like every time I watch Trump I'm building up more intuition more knowledge on like and same thing with NFL. So, um I yeah I just think that's a great point on like the benefit of something like mentions that are daily. And then you know you look at other people like Gayton, you know, uh Grande, like these other people That are have uh edges like music, you know, it's like there's always going to be

a Spotify chart. It's a weekly thing. So, it's the same thing where if you find something where you can have like a long-term edge. Um, >> yeah, those two guys are are really good traders and like it's impressive because they've like invested time in doing the research, having the models to build the edge and >> you know, they're in their lane and They're crushing it. They're like perfect examples of what you're talking about about, you know, forming a niche, getting like really really good at that niche and just hammering it. Uh, >> yeah, >> everybody's

an expert in something, dude. You know, it's like my even my wife, man, like, you know, I always joke around about the wifey alpha, but like I'm literally like before Survivor, you know, I'm like consulting with her on, You know, hey, who who you think is, you know, going to be the winner or not or who's going to be >> But like that survivor market, I actually heard from like some people who knew it really well that that was just insanely mispriced. Like it should have been probably 95 >> for the winner and it sat

there with thousands in liquidity at 80. It did so much trading and like dude at one point the price on like Rizo got up to like The 20s dude like so it was like crazy price. It got to a point where it was like dude you've got to like start slamming >> the other side of it you know. >> Did you trade Dancing with the Stars at all? >> Yes, that was a fun one. Uh >> the the flow was insane that day. I was trading it live and I was just neg risking the whole

thing and it was just >> crazy. >> Yeah, dude. like the amount of money that was getting dumped. I regret not like taking out like more size on it, you know, because it was one of those things where I was like, "Dude, you could have just accumulated as much as you wanted like and you could arb out where you were risk-free." >> That's all I was doing. Yeah. >> On it. Yeah. Like it was >> on days like that. I'm literally like I really wish I just had a line of credit For like 500k and

I could just make 20k market making or arbing this. Like it's the same. Yeah. It's honestly I feel that way sometimes with sports where it's like there's a lot of ways where you can get top bid at 99 on like resolved sports outcomes and people are just going to cash out and I'm like dude if I had half million dollars it's like this is 5k granted obviously like you have to be careful >> cuz you know people will make like like Going back to like bonding my advice there would definitely be like don't ever quote

unquote bond something if it's not something you fully understand obviously um >> like >> you know whenever I'm bonding I'm bonding now in mentions because I know mentions I know what the disputes are. I've been around kind of all the disputes in the last year. Yeah. So >> if I like I know when something's going To resolve. Yes. You know so >> and and like uh bonding with like appropriate like like risk limits, right? So, like I'll see a market uh it the strike has, you know, 10,000 total volume for the for the market. The

bond bid is for $100,000, right? So, that's 10x >> the current like open interest or volume of the market. Like like that's just like that's that's crazy, right? Like theoretically the max of like that Anybody could even cash out to you is half of that amount, right? So like >> that's a lot of risk to just sit there and like that's where some people you know I this legendary case today or last night on fake news right where somebody got rinsed for >> you know whatever it was 50 grand um >> and by the way

what an insane story that the guy who got rinsed by Foster on a one cent thing was the guy who won this trade. What a [ __ ] beast. Like yeah Props to him dude. Prediction market gods did justice. But like, yeah, it's just you got to be like thoughtful about like the the amounts that you're bidding to, right? Like I bond on like a word that's said in a a speech that like again I'm a vet a vet. I've done this, but like I'm not, you know, bonding 50 grand, dude. You know? >> Yeah.

And I mean, I've seen on like small college football announcer games. This was like maybe a little over a week Ago. Someone was bonding in a game with like a total volume of like maybe 25K. They were bonding 40k on college football strikes. And what do you know? An an on the ground reporter, you know, in those games where they said the word Heisman, somebody bonded 40k, you got rinsed 40k. And it's like >> you maybe would have gotten filled 5k shares even at So so you're just offering I like it makes no sense. I

I just wonder who that is. >> No. Yeah. I don't know either. Um I like know folks like us that are doing the same kind of stuff, but I don't know who the person is who is that guy. Maybe like it's all of us just collectively doing it at the same time and like we're adding up to this value collectively without even realizing it. I don't think it's that, but like yeah, it's it's very odd. Um I I'm not sure. That's one of these things about like these uh these Markets, man, is still overall it's

really like a fairly small amount of like really big whales that are trading these things, right? Like whenever I see like >> if I see a bid wall for like 5,000 shares of something at like a substantial price like there's only you know a handfuls out there >> Foster Duck Moonlight Azul or like >> 100% dude you you start running through the list and you're going okay like I Have I have a I I have a significantly sharp counterparty on this trade. Who the [ __ ] is it? Right? like and you can kind of

start to infer. Um, one of the fun things like uh I read Billy's Billy Walters book a couple years ago and uh he's like one of the most profitable gamblers of all time. Super sharp guy. I would highly recommend reading his book or listening to his podcast uh with with Rogan that he did. It was great. Um, but like yeah, he would talk about how like Basically he knew like whenever there was like any kind of just [ __ ] going on with like a line or like a player was like rigging a game or

whatever because like the action was like really apparent if a big player was going in and putting down a substantial amount of size. Like there was only a handful of people it could really be. And you know that's in the sports betting world, right? Where like there was way more liquidity being thrown around. Sure, this was decades Ago, right? for for Billy Walters. But still, do you get the idea? Like it's just kind of interesting the parallels that you can, you know, draw between >> sometimes like on that point because it is it is hard

where I take a step back when I feel conviction on something, but like you said, I see a 5k bid wall on a Trump speech because I'm like there's only a couple of people that could be doing this. But like sometimes they get so big that like the big Trump Announcement that he gave two weeks ago um where everybody thought it was going to be about Venezuela. Like the fact that you could have gotten so much size on no Maduro at like 25. I mean I had already entered into that or we were talking about

it. I remember that day like >> Yeah. We were questioning our thesis. Yeah. Because we were like dude this is so we're getting filled for so much volume that like I started to second Guess myself. >> Yeah. And it got to 25 and I'm like I could get probably 5K easily at 25. And and I'm like >> Yeah. >> And but it turns out no sharps were on Maduro. Yes. Or I I didn't know of any. So it just was >> some people who must have came into it with the announcement being big and they

just kind of didn't understand it or didn't you know. Uh yeah. >> Yeah. I mean you see like these weird like one of the interesting things about the times we live in right is like this like the social media like just uh fake news. I don't know another way to put it that like goes around right and like it happens on the left it happens on the right and like there's like hysteria that kind of gets produced in pricing. it like affects prediction markets like sometimes I'm really convinced that the Venezuela Maduro price was like

fully Fueled by just like media hysteria, right? Like >> because there was no reason like if you thought about it rationally, it's like >> Trump is not going to come up here on a prime time address of the middle of Survivor and declare war on Venezuela. Like that's just like right before the holiday. Like that's just like not going to happen. Uh yeah, >> everybody was like convinced themselves because you know like Tucker Carlson and Alex Jones told them like war was being declared. Um so it's just kind of like an interesting weird like media

inefficiency. Um >> yeah, >> you know, hey, but sometimes that news is really good. Like one of my uh first prediction market trades was I was fading the Biden dropout. I didn't think Biden >> was gonna drop out. And uh Mark Halperin, really good reporter, he went On like it was the Friday before the dropout and he said, "Biden's dropping out on Sunday. It's it's a done deal. It's over." And I was like, "What? No way. This isn't true." And sure enough, he dropped out on Sunday. You know, I lost. >> I remember that tweet.

I remember where I was when I saw that. And I remember cuz I had just gotten into prediction markets maybe a month before. And at that time, I was literally telling or Maybe like two weeks before. I think I got in like right before the buy and dropout. And at that time, I was telling literally everyone I knew about prediction markets because I was just so obsessed. I was like, you know, how can you guys not think this is the coolest thing in the world? And like, um, I just remember, yeah, seeing that Twitter post

and I was like, oh, it's it's all happening. Um because at the time I think I was like arbing Biden dropout With him being the DNC nominee and like >> you know um yeah crazy times like it's just crazy like we were saying off you know before we were live like seeing where prediction markets have come now to like it's it's just crazy how big like zooming out even four months they're just so they've gone so parabolic. I don't think anyone expected this and it was so sudden. I mean like people were kind of like

I think laughing at me when I was like towards The end of the election season saying like prediction markets are just going to keep growing. There's not going to be this like death valley like there was after the last election cycle just because >> they hit this level in the zeitgeist that they they hadn't hit previously, right? >> Yeah. You know, and like I was like, "Yeah, there's going to be like a a little drop in volume, but like it's not Going to be the the same, you know, death, you know, valley it was." And

then I didn't expect the thing I didn't expect was sports to be like the catalyst that took it to the volume that it did and it to happen so fast. I thought okay you know there will be some growth in sports over this year. Not like >> what it's been this has been insane. Yeah, >> just the volume numbers have been Parabolic >> and all the trickle down effects from that, right? Because like >> sports guys don't come in, they don't just do sports, they, you know, they bet on Dancing with the Stars and they

bet on mentions and they bet on like whatever else, right? So like it's a very sticky product once people u get into the the ecosystem and you know, you start winning. Yeah, man. I'm just like really bullish on the future of these Things. It's been insane, dude. What a year, you know? Uh 2026 is gonna be crazy, dude. Uh we just got to hold ourselves to our goals, dude. Scale our bank rules, you know, hit our our daily profit goals. >> All right. You you said day by day, but you didn't give me a number.

So annual here's what Tyial's number is. 500K. >> I know. I know that's what you're thinking. >> That that would be, you know, a very Solid year. Um you know, and it's if you if I like would have said that probably at the the start of 2025, I probably would have like laughed, you know. been like there's no the liquidity doesn't even exist for that to happen. But I don't think that's that like insane. Um >> I I guess on that point I'm curious like you you've definitely thought about it but you you have stayed

almost 100% mentions like how close have you come to like venturing in and is it something You're still actively thinking about um venturing to other categories and if so are there any that like you specifically were looking at? Yeah. So, like uh sports is kind of like interesting to me and in culture. Um just I think there's like a lot of interesting things with like live trading sports that I haven't really looked at. A lot of the sports stuff I've done to date is just like screwing around sports gambling, right? I'm like, yeah, I like

Arsenal or Chelsea and I'm gonna bet on them. >> Um but I think there's a lot of like volatility within sports games that like you could take advantage of as a trader. And if you you think about it, there's such high amounts of liquidity, you can get down volumes that you could never really get on any other category, right? Yeah. So, it's like really interesting. And, you know, because the again the the timelines are so compressed, you're talking about something that's like Highly repeatable if you can become good at live trading them. And I've seen

a lot of folks like, you know, I think Foster is like a really a guy who like I I don't I don't know him all that well personally, but like I don't think it's because he's like the biggest basketball expert in the world. He's a really good trader and I think Foster understands how to trade and like that's like where he's able to to kind of like execute those strategies on volatility. >> Um culture culture is really interesting to me too just because like what we talked about about like >> the further in the fringes

you get the harder this [ __ ] gets to price and like the more like weird inefficiencies you can get. So like uh just looking at things like this like Logan Paul auction you know or you know survivor markets and stuff like that >> I think are super interesting. Um, I need to get a little bit more out of my Uh my lane, but I'll be honest, like I'm by like the amount of time I'm putting into the mentions now is like really substantial between like the actual live trading of them and then like working

on data like the research like building tools to help >> facilitate the trading like that's like a it's a it's like a full-time >> on that part. Do you use any third-party like software or are you building it all yourself? Do you come from a software Background? Are you vibe coding it? >> Yeah, so um doing it all myself like I don't come from a software background but um I previously had a startup in the crypto industry where we were doing NFT gaming and we had like a game called Crypto Raiders um there was like

a fully functioning you know like Unity game right so had a team of you know engineers so got some exposure to kind of >> how all that kind of stuff works. Um and Then my business partner and I um still have a couple engineers um that work with us on building various tools and we do trading collaboratively as well as like independent trading um with you know kicks um pretty sure you you know from Twitter. Um and yeah so like it's a little bit of a mix of things but yeah I everything is inhouse built.

um don't use anything third party. >> And like what's really cool about that Is is like I'm able to get like whatever weird thing I want, right? versus >> well I always say it too is it's like uh you probably have had it happen to where like a million people reach out saying like we're trying to build a tool for prediction markets yada you know like or I don't know like I really feel like the best tool is always going to be built from someone like like if you're great at programming but you don't trade

prediction markets versus someone who's Great at trading prediction markets knows where to find edges but they don't know programming like whatever piece of [ __ ] that they vibe code is going to be better than the alternative just because And I think if people ever wanted to get into vibe coding, there's almost no better use than vibe coding tools. >> Yeah. >> For prediction markets, like it's still in the stage where it's like easy mode to where like you can literally think of Something that might give you an edge and it will probably work. Like

I I talked about it how like six months ago I vibe coded like an earthquake alert bot and I was literally getting money sniping earthquakes happening and it was just like >> the stupidest. Dude, isn't it funny that like everybody has their like their like flirtation with weather or like climate markets at some point? Like at one point I was like trying to vibe code up like a Weather model, dude, to uh to to try to like do the highest temp markets. >> I've signed off weather, dude. I'm not >> I quit, dude. I I

was like, "Dude, these guys that I'm competing against are just they're they're way sharper than me at this." >> Yes. >> I was like, "For me to develop a really good model here is going to take me more time." like I'm gonna how much more money do I need to lose before I'm gonna Figure that one out, you know? So, I quit. But, uh yeah, dude. Like, >> vibe coding is like incredibly like coding anything is incredibly easy now. Download Cursor, download like Claw Code, you know? It's going to cost you like 20 25 bucks

a month, whatever it is, and you're going to have like the world at your fingertips. And you could do whatever little weird thing. >> I'm a cursor guy personally. >> Cursor, I use cursor. My my my buddies Like quad code a lot more. I I don't I still am in the cursor camp. Uh but yeah, man, like just get out there, try things. Um you're going to be able to like build good tools on, you know, on your own. Um I think a great example is like the RFQ thing, right? Like I think a lot

of people thought like, oh, this is going to be like way too sophisticated for anybody like institutional market makers to do. Well, like people like you and I have proven That like you can literally vibe code up >> and it's not that competitive. That's crazy. It's not like and you can get it going and you can get fills like you know like >> being good at market making is a lot harder than what people will tell you. People like to tell you like oh yeah the market makers dude >> to to price quote some of

this stuff accurately isn't as easy as you might think. U but >> yeah like it's accessible dude like build your own tools. Uh I I see some people coming out with like trading terminals and things like this. Like I I sometime in 2026 I'd like to build my own like trading terminal just because like I'm not a real big fan of the the UIs and I think like there's a way that you can >> you know utilize like bots in conjunction with your own UI that makes like your trading a lot more powerful. But um

yeah, like >> I I would pay money if there was something that would make it so I literally did not have to click review first before placing trades. Like that's >> shave how much time? >> Yeah. Yeah. Like >> huge seconds is huge, you know? Um or just like I can't tell you how many times I've like bought the wrong side of something because like I I clicked or what whatever small little thing like All these little like things matter a lot, right? Um, yeah, I've thought about like releasing like, you know, for example, like

a version of my own like mentions tool like to the to the public and I was like really considering it like late like last year and then I was like I just can't like why would I why would I do that and just give up my edge, right? >> You know what I mean? Like you know, so I'm sorry you're going to have to go do The work and put it together your own, you know? But like, yeah, that's that's where I was with it. And like that's how I feel about like a lot of

these like vibe coding bots and people things that people are trying to sell on Twitter. It's like this is either [ __ ] or like you're just dumb because why would you give up an edge? >> Like if >> you know you had it like would you just money with it? Like it just doesn't even Make sense. Um it feels like a >> bugazi. I don't know. >> Yeah. No, I agree. It's and and some of the stuff going around on Twitter just you see it, you just I just I don't engage. I don't uh

just scroll on by. Well, look, we're coming up on an hour. I know we have some other mentions coming up today, so I'll let you go, but Tyel, really appreciate you coming on. Um excited to see how you track against your 500k goal that you explicitly said Here uh publicly for the world to see. Uh, I'm between 200k, I'll be happy, 500k, I'll be thrilled in the upcoming year. Let's >> I love I love that. I love that. Uh, dude, it's been great chatting with you, man. We should do this again. Uh, dude, you're right

around the corner here on the 100k goal, man. It's awesome that we both got to do this like on the same week. >> I I know. It's kind of crazy. >> It's so fun, man, because I feel like we like started our our journey and prediction markets like at such a similar time. So, yeah. >> Uh, dude, we're going to crush it in 2026, man. Let's uh let's get after it. I think all of us can find some uh some success here. >> Let's get after it. Well, thank you all for tuning in. Take care.

Cheers.