Sally: You don't look like yourself, Jack. Jack: Isn't that wonderful. Jono: Jack, in feeling that he's lost himself, he's trying to find himself again.
Sally: But you're the Pumpkin King. Jack: Not anymore. Alan: This is the excitement of falling in love for the first time.
Jono: Everything must be great, because all I see is great. Jack: ♬♬ What have I done ♬♬ Jono: How many people burn bridges, hurt the people they care about because they're desperately trying to give their lives meaning. Sally: It's going to be a disaster.
Jack: How could it be? Jono: The answer is not to find the shiny new thing that's going to make your life satisfactory. I don't need to go after something else or something new.
It's just about finding the enthusiasm that you used to have and the passion and bringing it back. Alan: Hello and welcome to Cinema Therapy. I'm Alan Seawright, a professional filmmaker who needs therapy.
Jono: And I'm Jonathan Decker, licensed therapist who loves movies. What's going on? What have do we got?
Alan: Have you met the Pumpkin King? Jono: The Pumpkin King? Alan: Who lives on Drry Lane?
Jono: Yes. Jono: We're doing Nightmare Before Christmas. Alan: He likes to impersonate Sandy Claws.
Jono: Just in time for Halloween. Alan: Here's the question. Is this a Halloween movie or a Christmas movie?
Jono: I found that the best time to enjoy this movie is Halloween night. You've done your trick or treating. You sit down, you're eating your candy, because the movie starts in Halloween and pivots towards Christmas, so it's actually great as a.
. . Alan: It's like carrying you across to your new holiday that you're ready to celebrate.
Jono: And Thanksgiving can suck it. Alan: [Beep] you, Thanksgiving. Jono: Oh my gosh.
Jono: It's incredible in high definition. Alan: Yeah. Jack: ♬♬ .
. . it's what I do, I am the best ♬♬ ♬♬ For my talents are renowned far and wide ♬♬ Alan: Yet for some reason, this feels like a movie that was filmed on VHS, because that's how I remember it.
Jono: Yeah, it's a revelation in 4K. It's so crazy. Alan: So good.
Jack: ♬♬ With the slightest little effort of my ghost-like. . .
♬♬ Jono: Especially knowing that this all existed. It was created and built by hand. Alan: Yeah.
Jack: ♬♬ With the wave of my hand. . .
♬♬ Jono: It feels tactile. That's what I love about it. Alan: Yeah.
It's one of the things I really love about stop motion. Jack: ♬♬ . .
. off their feet ♬♬ ♬♬ Yet year after year, it's the same routine ♬♬ ♬♬ And I grow so weary of the sound of screams ♬♬ ♬♬ And I, Jack, the Pumpkin King ♬♬ ♬♬ Have grown so tired of the same old thing ♬♬ Jono: So maybe it's just where I am in life and I'm projecting. But this feels very much like a midlife crisis.
Alan: Oh, 100%. No, that's what I wanted to talk to you about, is like, this is very much a midlife crisis movie. It's a guy who's really successful and doing well at his job, Alan: which he used to be really passionate about.
Jono: Yeah. Alan: And he's, like, feeling empty and, like, is this all there is? Jack: ♬♬ .
. . home alone.
. . ♬♬ Jono: Well, and that's relatable.
I mean, not just to guys or people in midlife, but. . .
Alan: Oh, sure. Jono: When you work hard and you achieve something and then you get that buzz off it for a while, and then it becomes routine. Alan: Yeah.
The human brain is not wired to be continuously grateful for the same thing. Jono: Yeah. Alan: Like, it craves newness and variety and all of this stuff because.
. . Thanks, monkey ancestors.
I don't know who to blame for this. Jono: This really speaks to, like, the quest for identity. And when you're young and everything's before you, and all the options are before you, it's a different experience than when you've been at it for a while, and you chose something based on passion and based on the joy you thought it would give you.
And then you arrive at this place of, I've grown so tired of the same old thing. And this is applicable to marriage. This is applicable to a career.
This is applicable to any sort of thing that you chose with passion. And then it's just the same. .
. Alan: Anything that you have a relationship with. Yeah.
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. Jack: ♬♬ . .
. does not. .
. ♬♬ Alan: It's so iconic and so weird. Jack: ♬♬ .
. . these empty tears ♬♬ Jono: It's such a visual experience that when we decided to do an episode on it, I actually had to pay more attention to the thematics.
Because every time I watch it. . .
Alan: You just get swept away by, like, wow. Sally: I know how you feel. Jono: "I know how you feel".
Alan: I watch it for how it for, speaking of which, for how it makes me feel. Alan: Yes. Jono: I watch it because I want it to get me in the zone for Halloween and Christmas.
Alan: Right. Jono: And I'm like, oh yeah, there's a story here. Alan: Oh yeah.
It's also a lovely story. I want to talk about Sally's compassion and empathy. Jono: Yeah.
Alan: She's super empathetic and compassionate. Alan: She's always looking for the best in Jack and in Halloween Town and in Christmas Town. Jono: Yeah.
Alan: And, like, she's kind of an audience surrogate, but she's also. . .
Alan: I find it such an interesting character because she could so easily be a scold. Jono: Mm. Mhm.
Alan: And she doesn't come across that way. Jono: No. Especially because she's the character who's right.
Alan: Yes. Jono: You know? And so you're right.
Alan: She's constantly right. Like, she's right all the time. Jono: But the important thing is the ability to look at a situation different from your own Jono: and find an emotional experience similar to your own.
Alan: Right. Jono: Because the fact is, there's endless variety of situations that we can find ourselves in. Jono: But human emotions, there's only, like, a handful.
Alan: Yeah. Jono: You know, and so it may be, like, a different flavor of feeling unhappy or a different flavor of feeling like you crave something more out of life. But at the end of the day, it's still that same type of thing.
Jono: And this song is totally on my Christmas playlist. Alan: Oh, yeah. Jono: Like, there are other songs that are on my Halloween playlist, but.
. . Alan: So, has he ever seen snow before?
Jono: No, I do-- Alan: Why did he just eat some? Jono: You don't eat snow? Alan: Yeah, but I know what snow is.
Jono: Yeah. That's true. He.
. . He took a risk there.
Alan: Just like, this ground looks edible. Jono: My daughter at two thought a snow-covered mountain was ice cream and ate it for an hour and a half until her insides froze and I had to get her hot chocolate to save her life. This was at Sundance and I rushed in and I'm like, Out of the way.
She needs hot chocolate, stat! Like, this is a real thing. Jack: ♬♬ What's this?
♬♬ ♬♬ What's this? What's this? ♬♬ Alan: I love the la-las on this.
Jack: ♬♬ What's this? ♬♬ Alan: La la la la. Jack: ♬♬ What's this?
The streets are lined with little creatures. . .
♬♬ Jono: Okay, but this song speaks to when you feel stuck in a rut and routine. This is a. .
. I know we're talking about snow, Jono: but figuratively, like, the grass is greener. Alan: Correct.
Jono: Everything is new. Everything is exciting. Alan: This is the excitement of falling in love.
Jono: Yeah. Alan: For the, you know, for the first time, falling in new love. You know, whatever it is.
Jono: Yeah. And then chasing that feeling, the wonderment of it all, and everything must be great, because all I see is great. This is going to be a weird pull to talk about infidelity Jono: in a Nightmare Before Christmas episode.
Alan: Okay. . .
Jono: But if you look at Jack's relationship to Halloween as a marriage, it's grown stale. Alan: Cheating on Halloween with Christmas. Jono: And when he wants to, you know, maybe, like, bring Christmas in the back door and see if Halloween wants to have some fun with it.
And, like. . .
Just, uh, threw up in my mouth a little bit. Jono: That's crass what I just said, but it's also 100% accurate. Alan: It is 100% accurate.
Jono: So. . .
Alan: That's what's happening. Jono: And so the issue and we're going to see this as the clips play out, I don't know what clips you've pulled, but I know the story of the film, Jono: is that Jack at first thinks Christmas is the answer to how stale his life has grown. Alan: Right.
Jono: Right? In other words, like, starting a new relationship to spice things up and maybe, like, forget about the old one. That's not the solution.
What he's experiencing here, it's not that Christmas is so great. I mean, I love Christmas, but it's not that Christmas is so great and Halloween is so terrible. It's that the joy and the innocence and the enthusiasm that I'm feeling for Christmas, Jono: I could bring to Halloween.
Alan: Sure. Jono: And when I'm counseling couples, it's like, well, what makes an affair appealing? It's like, well, I feel seen, I feel respected, I feel passion, I feel wanted.
And then in couples therapy, the answer then is, okay, how can we bring that. . .
Alan: How can you do that in your actual relationship? Jono: Yes. Right?
And recognizing if the spark is gone, how do we get it back? That's. .
. So I'm going to treat this a little bit like. .
. Alan: Like you're giving therapy to a couple that's dealing with infidelity? Jono: Yes.
If the couple is Halloween and Jack. But I don't know, it's a reach, but you see it. Alan: Honestly, that's my favorite approach we've had to an episode, I think.
Jack: Here, let me show you. [gasps] Jack: This is a thing called "a present". The whole thing starts with a box.
- A box? Is it steel? Are there locks?
Is it filled with a pox? A pox? How delightful, a pox.
Jack: If you please. Just a box. .
. Jono: I don't mean to be rude, but if you've ever traveled and then tried to explain your experience to people who've only stayed in one place, it's a little bit like this. Alan: It's very much so.
Jono: And that's not an insult. It's just, like, Jono: you're limited to your perspective by what you know. Alan: Yeah.
Jack: ♬♬ . . .
now, you don't understand ♬♬ ♬♬ That's not the point of Christmas land ♬♬ Now, pay attention. Jono: But also true of, you know, like, emotionally, psychologically traveling. Alan: Yeah.
See, this was my read on it was like trying to explain to people who've grown up abused. . .
. . .
covered with gook? Alan: . .
. what a healthy relationship is like. Jono: Yeah.
Jono: Like, no, no, no, it can just be a present. It can just be just nice. It's not a trick.
Jono: You don't have to be on guard. Or people who have, like, one perspective that they've inherited, and they're just staying with it. And what they're going to do is.
. . There's so many reads on this because what they're going to do is bring.
. . bring their own take to it and change it, which also makes me think of foreign food that's Americanized.
Alan: Give them what they want. Jono: Might as well give them what they want. Yeah.
Jono: This is. . .
this is the entire history of Panda Express. This is how it came to be. Alan: Yep.
Jono: People tried to bring Chinese food to America, like. . .
Alan: They opened a real, like, honest to goodness Chinese restaurant, and it didn't sell very well. And so they made it worse and worse and worse. And eventually Americans were like, Oh, we'll buy this.
And then they're like, cool, let's see if we can expand. And it blew up. Pizza?
Now, that's what I call a taco! Alan: You know, I talked a little bit about how, you know, these Halloween Town residents are sort of abuse victims, Alan: and they're, they're seeing through that lens. And Sally is not.
Jono: Yeah. Alan: She's the one there who's like, oh, it could be lovely and delightful. Jono: And she's the actual abuse victim.
Alan: Yeah. And she's the. .
. Jono: But their life has been darkness and it has been fear. And it has been.
. . I mean, granted, in this version that's all.
. . That's our job, but we're not mean, like, we do it for.
. . Jono: But, but they're still limited to this is how the world is.
Alan: Right. Jono: And so if my life is dark and my life is fear, then everything I see is through that lens. Jono: Which is interesting because the reverse isn't necessarily true when Jack's in Christmas land.
Alan: Right. Jono: Like, he. .
. It feels like an invasion. You know, elves are waking up with a start, like they just had a nightmare.
And by the way, one thing I really like about this movie is there's 100 different reads on it. Alan: Oh yeah, it's so open to interpretation, which is great. Jono: So we're going to share some of ours, but we would love nothing more than to read in the comments what your read on this movie is, what you bring to it, which is kind of what we're seeing the theme is.
Like, it is what you bring to it, Jono: just like how Halloween Town, what they bring to Christmas. Alan: Yeah. Jono: Where do you meet Nightmare Before Christmas and how does it speak to you?
Alan: Oh, while you're at it, like and hit the subscribe. And the bell. Jono: Hit the bell.
Alan: 'Cause. . .
Uh. . .
Why not? It'll ring and it'll sound like Christmas. Jono: No, you hit the bell, so you don't miss an episode.
Let me explain how YouTube works. Alan: Oh, is that what we're doing? Jono: Yes.
Alan: Oh, I thought it was just a. . .
Jono: No. It's not a gong summoning you to dinner. It is actually.
. . Alan: There's dinner?
! Jono: No. Jono: So Jack, in feeling that he's lost himself, he's trying to find himself again.
Jono: If we're going with the midlife crisis throughline. . .
Alan: Sure. Jono: Uh, how many people burn bridges, hurt the people they care about because they're desperately trying to give their lives meaning. I did this, I thought it would give life meaning.
It did for a while, but then it faded. So now I've got to find something else. And in that desperation, they just burn bridges.
And that's where Jack is right now. He has such a wonderful thing going with Sally, or he could, Jono: but he's got to figure out this whole Christmas thing. Alan: Yeah.
Jono: Because he is certain that that's the answer. And the answer is not to find the shiny new thing that's going to make your life satisfactory, because shiny things, they lose their luster. It's about finding it in here.
It's about finding contentment with yourself, who you are, and what your life is about. Now, granted, in some cases, things run their course. It's time for a change, right?
Alan: Sure, absolutely. Jono: I know any number of people who change careers and it's like, it's time for that. But other times it's just about finding the enthusiasm that you used to have Jono: and the passion and bringing it back.
Alan: Yeah. Jack: Sally, I need your help. More than.
. . Jono: His teeth look like little marshmallows.
Sally: I had the most terrible vision. Jack: That's splendid. Sally: No, it was about your Christmas.
There was smoke and fire. Jack: That's not my Christmas. My Christmas is filled with laughter and joy.
And this. My Sandy Claws outfit. I want you to make it.
Sally: Jack, please listen to me. It's going to be a disaster. Jack: How could it be?
Just follow the pattern. This part's red. The trim is white.
Sally: It's a mistake, Jack. Jack: Now, don't be modest. Who else is clever enough to make my Sandy Claws outfit?
Mayor: Next! Jack: I have every confidence in you. Jono: I see the design.
. . .
. . of the Sandy Claws outfit, and I'm like, Timothee Chalamet could pull that off.
He's got the blinders on. And it's dangerous to have a laser focus on something that you want so badly. You have to be mindful of, why do I want this so badly?
Am I tying my worth to it? Am I believing that if I can accomplish this, things will be okay? That type of laser focus cannot help but lead to an unbalanced life.
That's how obsessions form, and this is, at this point, a story of obsession. Jono: Sally's trying to warn him. Alan: Yeah, for sure.
Jono: And he's just dismissive, because he's already. . .
He already knows it's going to be okay. And it's not. So it's important that your disorganised attachment style take accountability for your toxic narciss--- David: Shhhhh Jono: [muffled] I've got this idea for Inside Out 3 and I just.
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Jono: Gottman! Brené Brown! Sally: You don't look like yourself, Jack.
Not at all. Jack: Isn't that wonderful? It couldn't be more wonderful.
Sally: But you're the Pumpkin King. Jack: Not anymore. And I feel so much better now.
Sally: Jack, I know you think something's missing. Alan: Making this change in my life. .
. Sally: Sorry. Alan: .
. . solved everything.
Jono: Does he have nerve endings in those bones? Jack: Something is missing. But what?
Alan: The thing that really caught my attention in this scene is Sally saying, You don't look like yourself. Alan: I mean, it's not particularly subtle, but, like, this isn't you. Jono: Yeah.
Alan: Externally, internally, this is not you, don't do this. Jono: And he goes, Isn't it wonderful? Alan: And then he breaks his old self over his knee.
He's like, that's not me anymore. Alan: I've become this whole new, shiny, wonderful Sandy Claws. Jono: Yeah.
Alan: How often do we do that in our own lives? Like, I'm going to throw out my sense of self. Jono: Yeah.
Rewrite who I am completely. Alan: Rewrite who I am. Jono: I've had so many people in counseling like this and, look, like, there is a balance here, because there's something to be said for like taking stock of your life at a certain point, Jono: looking back and saying, What do I like about this?
Alan: Yeah. Jono: And what do I want to change? Because we don't want to imply, like, Jono: just stay stuck in the old patterns indefinitely.
Alan: No, no, no. Alan: Everybody should be constantly, you know, growing and evolving and changing. Jono: Right.
Alan: But, like, you know, some intentionality about it. And don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Jono: Yes.
Because the fact is, Halloween has brought Jack a lot of joy. Jono: Fair enough. But when she says, This isn't you, she, I hope, isn't saying you have to be the Pumpkin King.
You have to be the way you've always been. Because if she's saying that, that's one instance of Sally maybe actually being wrong, it is saying, you're trying too hard to be someone you're not because you think who you are isn't good enough or is just stale. And that's a worth-tie thing.
Jack sees what Santa Claus has and he wants that for himself. And the issue is that he then tries to take it from another instead of creating it for himself. Alan: That's right.
Sally did hear a song at the beginning. Jono: So she's not trying to say, Just stay the same. Alan: She's not saying, Just stay the same.
She's saying, Be true to yourself in the changes that you make. Alan: And this is not true for yourself. Jono: Yeah.
Jack: ♬♬ What have I done? ♬♬ ♬♬ What have I done? ♬♬ Jono: I love the angel and just the whole look of this graveyard.
Alan: Yeah. Jack: ♬♬ . .
. be so blind ♬♬ ♬♬ All is lost ♬♬ ♬♬ Where was I? ♬♬ ♬♬ Spoiled all ♬♬ ♬♬ Spoiled all ♬♬ ♬♬ Everything ♬♬ Jono: That's terrifying.
Alan: So creepy. Jack: ♬♬ . .
. all wrong ♬♬ ♬♬ Well, what the heck? ♬♬ ♬♬ I went and did my best and by God, I really tasted something swell ♬♬ Jono: We skipped a little bit.
Alan: We did skip a bit for time. Jack: ♬♬ And for a moment, why, I even touch the sky ♬♬ ♬♬ And at least I left some stories they can tell. I did ♬♬ ♬♬ And for the first time since I don't remember when ♬♬ ♬♬ I felt just like my old bony self again ♬♬ Jono: I have thoughts, but I don't want to interrupt.
Jack: ♬♬ . . .
Jack the Pumpkin King ♬♬ Jono: Because all these lyrics are important. Jack: ♬♬ That's right. I am the Pumpkin King ♬♬ Ha ha ha ha!
And I just can't wait. . .
Jono: Zero starts back flipping. Jack: ♬♬ Because I've got some new ideas that will really make them scream ♬♬ ♬♬ And by God, I'm really going to give it all my might! ♬♬ Uh oh.
. . I hope there's still time to set things right.
Jono: So you talk about sometimes that great stories have a three act structure very often. Alan: Yes. Jono: But also great scenes.
Alan: That's right. Jono: Have a three act structure. Can you walk us through a little bit of the.
. Alan: This song has a three act structure. Jono: Yeah.
Alan: The opening act is recognizing, oh, I've totally screwed up and I've ruined everything for Christmas. The second act, which we kinda mostly skipped just for time, is him figuring out, even though I've done these bad things, there might be a way out of it. Alan: And then the end of the second act turn into the third is, I am Jack!
Jono: Yeah. Alan: And then, okay, we're gonna do a way better Halloween, and we're gonna do. .
. Oh, wait, I gotta fix Christmas real quick. Jono: Yeah, I gotta make things right.
This is the growth process. Jono: And some people, sadly, like, stay just in the first act of man, I really screwed things up. Alan: Yeah.
Jono: Which, don't get me wrong, is an important realization when you absolutely have. Alan: Yes. Jono: The issue is then believing that you are scum, or that you are garbage, Jono: or that you can't make things right.
Alan: Yeah. Not true. Jono: I'm a big believer in the only failure in life is not learning the lesson.
Alan: Yeah. Jono: And sometimes the best lessons are the most painful ones. And this is a very painful lesson for Jack.
But what it does is it pivots him back towards, What have I been chasing, Jono: that I didn't already have? Alan: Right. Jono: The sense of joy, the sense of wonder, breaking free from routine.
I don't need to go after something else or something new. I just have to bring it from here and here. And he went external.
He's like, I got to go to Christmas and bring Christmas. I got to get the Santa Claus hat. I got to do all these things differently because the answer is outside of me.
But the answer was always inside. If your marriage is struggling, like, how can I reignite it? How can I reignite it with passion, with love, with appreciation, with showing up in ways that I never did?
If you're stagnant at work, it might be a sign that it's time for a different job. Jono: It might also mean, like, it's time to break out of your rut. Alan: Yeah.
Jono: I love that he then turns back towards Halloween, but recognizing. . .
I still made a boo boo. I don't get to just walk away and not fix it. Alan: Yeah.
One of the things that I learned in working with my therapist is, you know, I would often relate things to movies. Shocker. Um.
. . And one of the things she talked to me about was, like, okay, take charge and write the screenplay of your own life.
Alan: Yeah. It was just like, Oh. .
. Oh! I'm stuck in the middle of the second act.
I know how to get out of this. It's, like, I know how to write a character out of this [beep]. This is easy.
Santa: The next time you get the urge to take over someone else's holiday, I'd listen to her. She's the only one who makes any sense around this insane asylum. Santa: Skeletons.
. . Jack: I hope there's still time.
Santa: To fix Christmas? Of course there is. I'm Santa Claus.
Jono: Okay. . .
Jono: So. . .
Alan: My kids didn't understand the side of his nose thing. Alan: We failed them. Jack: .
. . down here, Sally?
Sally: Oh, I was trying to. . .
Well, I wanted to. . .
to. . .
Jack: To. . .
help me. Sally: I couldn't let you just. .
. Jack: Sally, I can't believe I never rea-- Jono: Did you do that crap on purpose? Alan: I didn't do that on purpose.
I don't know what was supposed to happen there. Jono: These are the working conditions here at Cinema Therapy. Alan: It's a low budget show, guys.
I'm really tired. I pulled these clips this morning. Jono: Oh, did you really?
Alan: Yeah. Jono: I do love at the very end of the film, just before Jack and Sally reunite in the graveyard, I love when Santa flies over and makes it snow. Alan: In Halloween Town.
Jono: In Halloween Town, and finally, everyone in Halloween Town gets it, when they experience it. And the simple fact is, there's a certain level of empathy and compassion people can't have, unless they know what you're going through. Which is why don't be a harsh judge of people who don't get it.
Just find the people who do. Alan: Yep. Jono: One of the reasons why we have this channel is we love sharing the things we're passionate about.
And sharing, and I love nothing more than reading our comments of people who gave a movie a shot that they'd never watched before Jono: because of one of our episodes, and they loved it. Alan: Yeah. Jono: And just sharing what you're passionate about.
Alan: I love reading comments from people who are like, I gave this movie a shot because you recommended it. Mistake. That's my favorite.
'Cause it's, like, I exposed you to something that you hated. You learned something about yourself. Jono: Yeah, well, now the things that you like, you're gonna like them even more.
Alan: Exactly. Jono: So, until next time. .
. Alan: We have to be patient, my dear. It's a phase.
Jono: Jingle jingle jingle. Jingle jingle jingle. Internet Dads: And.
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Kirchhoefer. Jono: Denise Dilworth. Alan: KingOfNapp-town.
Jono: KingOfNapp-town. . .
Alan: That's me in the afternoon. Jono: Uh, Graham Clawson. Alan: And Joshua Keely.
Jono: Happy Halloween. Alan: Merry Christmas. Jono: Screw you, Thanksgiving.
Alan: [Beep] you, Thanksgiving. Jono: Gosh!
