How FAILURE in FINANCE Led to Building a PERSONAL BRAND – Anthony Scaramucci!

So I started in finance at Agee 25 and I spent the first 20 years of my career doing it the way I was told okay so how was I told I work the golden Sachs you do XYZ you stay away from the Press you mute your personality you don't express yourself in any way and you do really boring mind-numbing things and at the end of your career you'll probably want to stab yourself with a butter knife into your eyeball but you'll have a lot Of money and that's how we do things in the world of

Finance I was trying to do it the way they told me I should do it and it really wasn't working so I said you know what I'm going to do it the way I think I should do it that fits my personality and so people that are listening in I hope that you'll get some insight from that about your own life follow what's inside you and don't try to conform it'll have a higher volatility curve you'll have more ups And downs but it'll be a lot more fun if you told me I could be worth

let's say 10x but I had to live in a steel tight box and conform my personality or I could be worth One X and I could totally be myself and express who I am in my professional setting I'm going with the 1X some other people may want to say no I'd rather have the money I don't want the money as much as I want the journey in order to have the journey you then have to steal yourself for the criticism ISM movement makers excited to be here we have a very special guest in the house

with us today uh he is a legend in the finance world if you guys know Skyridge legend legend in my own mind Legend well you got Ali behind you and Superman so there there's a lot of legendary stuff going on I'm looking forward to hearing about the guitars behind you too he's a hero in the thought leadership world for Venture uh with ass salt Forum he is a podcaster And sort of YouTuber we might talk about that his show is called open book and he's the author of a new book called from Wall Street to

the White House and back Mr Anthony scui welcome board man great great to be on let's talk about Muhammad for one second would that be all right yeah yeah talk about the champ all right so this is a picture this really dating myself here see I look like I'm 10 years old in that picture with the champ uh Muhammad Ali is a hero Of mine on so many different levels but the main thing is he called out a lot of the racism that was happening in the 1960s he disavowed the Vietnam War which was ultimately

with the hindsight test the right political decision obviously because that war was a disaster for the United States on a lot of different levels of course we didn't learn from those mistakes we went into Afghanistan and Iraq but he was an incredibly gifted Incredibly smart guy and perhaps one of the kindest most generous people I've ever met in my life and the reason I'm in that picture with him is I used to raise money for his harkon's research charity and I became very close to his wife Lon ali uh but he's one of my true

true heroes and that picture behind me when I started skybridge the champ uh gave me that picture and he signed it for me you probably can't see it but there's the champ signatures on the top Of that picture and so when I'm having a bad day I like looking at that picture uh because what do you see in that picture you see passion enthusiasm and you see the champ in his glory uh after a victory that's him that's him after the Sunny Liston fight first his first heavyweight fight he's such a big hero of mine

that's great I I've never seen a picture over glass as well too so it must been yeah my my assistant and the interior decorator Already pissed at me for that but I actually don't care I mean that's another thing you have to learn about in life what other people think of you as none of your bus business and and and particularly in the world of social media now where if you read the comment section in the social media every time you post a comment it could be detrimental to you particularly if you think like a

14y old girl which I happen to think like a 14-y old girl so you Have to ignore those types of comments I love keep going Evan it's great to be on with you oh this is great so just for some context this is my group called movement makers everybody here is an entrepreneur they're a thought leader trying to build their brand grow their business get their message up to the world world uh I'll start off with some questions and then we'll throw it open to uh to the community for some questions and we'll edit it

up and put It up on YouTube sound fun let's do it let's start with this most people in the finance world are kind of boring you know they're they're not they're not doing podcasts they're not doing books they're not making YouTube videos they're not getting on stage and you have massively bucked that Trend compared to your peers what was the decision to decide I'm going to go and build a personal brand for myself let me start out by saying that I first time I'm I'm 60 the first time I went on television I was 45

so I started in finance at age 25 and I spent the first 20 years of my career doing it the way I was told okay so how was I told I worked at Golden Sachs you do XYZ you stay away from the Press you mute you mute your personality don't express yourself in any way and you do really boring mind-numbing things and at the end of your career you'll probably want to stab yourself with a butter knife into your Eyeball or maybe even an ice pick but you'll have a lot of money and that's how

we do things in the world of Finance you know I I couldn't figure out a way to conform or get myself into the box and so one of the real joys in life is being yourself and expressing your personality and I think that the people that are listening and because I did some research on your show Evan or your podcast is that um you're attracting people that are individualists you're Attracting people that are passionate and they're doing something that they really believe in and so they made that decision that self-conscious decision that I can and

will have setbacks and I can and will likely fail and a result of which I'm okay with that I can go to the cocktail party and tell somebody that I'm an entrepreneur or a founder and maybe I've had a setback or a failure you know I went to an event uh my first week in my first startup and it was a Goldman Sachs event I had worked at Goldman for S years uh and I went to that event and the people in that event in that room one gentleman said to uh me and my wife

uh he looked over at us and he looked over at his wife well I haven't failed like Anthony has and see because he was interested in the 45 degree move staying boring living inside of Goldman and being insulated I didn't have the interest in that okay and then the second thing is Uh I tried that and I sucked at that Evan okay I sucked at the Conformity thing and so one of my old he's still a great guy he's 85 years old a guy's name is Mario gabelli if anybody listening in the finance you could

Google Mario uh not a lot of Italians in finance by the way okay I mean when I got the Goldman they wanted me to landscape the house they didn't really want me to work work with them right and so Mario gabelli said to me Hey Listen you're gonna turn 50 before you know you're 31 years old I know you think 50 is 100 miles away but you're going to turn 50 before you know it and Goldman's going to kick you out you're not going to be a partner there you don't fit in you're going to

have to shave all of the points off of your personality to make it there go start your own business you'll turn 50 you'll have your own business and you won't be able to get fired because you'll be in Your own business well I mean he was right I'm now 60 okay so that was 29 years ago I left Goldman sack 6 months after I had that conversation with him but the personal brand stuff they happen until 45 Evan because uh I was trying to do it the way they told me I should do it and

it really wasn't working so I said you know what I'm going to do it the way I think I should do it that fits my personality and so yeah the people that are Listening in I hope that you'll get some insight from that about your own life you know follow what's inside you and don't try to conform uh it'll have a higher volatility curve you'll have more ups and downs but it'll be a lot more fun John Wooden now if people know who he is you know raise your hand if you don't know who he

is I'll tell you who he is he was the greatest basketball coach in basketball history and he was the UCLA Coach and he had this indomitable franchise and everybody looked at him for guidance leadership wisdom and and John Gooden said the happiest people that he knows are the ones that went through the Journey the ones where when they got to the pillow at night they did they leave everything on the field did they empty the gas tank uh in their life in their business in their relationships with their children those are the ones that when

they put their head down okay Maybe it didn't work out maybe you get fired from the White House or I got torched in the FTX situation which I write about in the book but at least I was there trying you know and so yeah it didn't work the first way so then I went with the uh franchise the second way that's worked better you know Kanye has this quote where he talked about uh the willingness to try as an inspiration where most people are just so afraid of losing that they don't even Try M you've

taken some big bets and had some big wins and some big failures a lot of the book is about bouncing back most people I think are too afraid to try start a podcast start a YouTube channel Chanel write their book get on stage so afraid of the criticism that right they just don't do anything so how do you mentally prepare for the potential downside to give you the courage to go and do the thing I started Out by saying what other people think of you is none of your business but let's talk very factually to

all of your viewers and listeners everybody cares what other people think about and we're Social Animal so of course we care so therefore we have to build the habits of not caring okay we have to make a decision that like Kanye just said or the implication is that the journey is worth so much more than the destination if you told me I could be worth let's Say 10x but I had to live in a steel tight box and conform my personality or I could be worth One X and I could totally be myself and express

who I am am in my professional setting I'm going with the 1X some other people may want to say no I'd rather have the money I don't want the money as much as I want the journey in order to have the journey you then have to steal yourself for the criticism James elucha is a buddy of mine he says you know you get one star or five star reviews you know people either hate your ass or they like you and I said okay and a lot of those people that don't like me probably don't know

me they've never worked here they're not my clients they're not my buddies you know if you're my buddy I'm going through the wall for you you know I'll do anything to help your family I'll do anything to help you medically I'll do anything to Help your business you know and I say so if you don't know me why am I gonna care about somebody's opinion of me that doesn't know me you see what I mean and and and when you talk to a young kid like I have five children and I and they show me

something that's on a social media page and I ask them why they care and the first thing that they say because they're kids are usually very honest is that they're self-conscious and that if you know there's a flaw you Know yesterday I was on morning jail right that the TV show and Willie gu he says to oh you're you're a big guy you know you got XYZ going on with the Mets I see Willie I'm such a big guy that I'm sitting on two phone books so that I can be at eye level with you

okay and my point is own your own your weaknesses own your insecurities and if you do that it's almost like like what Eminem did in the movie right they were gonna Have a wrap off so he started with every possible thing that the other guy could say about him and he self-owned to the point where the other guy couldn't move and I just say this to you the people that are judging you you think they're perfect those people by the way people that are critics they typically are locked and loaded with so much insecurity they

spend their time criticizing you're out there doing they're sitting there criticizing you Know and so you have to steal yourself you have to get it in your frame of mind when that young man who went on to be a partner of Goldman Sachs made a lot of money was an incredible conformist and perhaps that was a great job for him when he said to my wife well look at an I I've never failed look at Anthony he's had so much failure I I looked around say God bless thank God I had that failure thank God

I was able to fail and come back from it And thank God I was able to teach myself that skill of resilience you know when Governor Schwarzenegger I sent my trans that man the book that you just referenced and thank you for bringing it up to Governor schwarzen he actually read the book and he said to me you know this is about getting up off the mat you don't think Arnold Schwarzenegger has had to get off the mat five six 10 15 times in his life of course he has but he's lived a very big

Life and a big purposeful fun life but not without trials and tribulations that comes with the whole game Evan you know so James Elder chair is a friend uh he invited me on his podcast that he was running from his comedy club in New York City I think you have better hair than him by the way I just want to make sure I point that out to all the viewers and listeners I mean I mean he looks like a he looks like a mop no like a I mean J fix your hair James you know

but go Ahead I'm sorry well again he doesn't care he doesn't care he doesn't care what you think and what was interesting about that show was it's like okay well what do you want to talk about James he like I want you to roast my YouTube channel right in front of my whole audience I want you to come on and just tell me everything that sucks about it and and just roast me in front of my whole audience like really because that's not usually what how a podcast Goes people usually want to be edified and

they want to be you know you want to look make them look in front of their audience not here's why you suck James at all these things so it's a very refreshing take and and to your point of just not caring what other people will think about you to the point of having guests on your show who are basically going to tear you apart in a good way I mean to help him with his business it's not just roasting yeah my thing is Always been be you know I want I look I disagree with people

but I'm try to always be respectful you know I'm not I'm not and here's the other thing you know I'm 60 now I've been humbled by life I've been humbled by markets uh you know it's what Mark Twain said right it's like your parents know nothing when you're 14 by the time you're 30 you're like wow I can't believe how much my parents have learned in the last 16 years you know the point Being is I don't have the answers and I don't ever pretend to have the answers and if you if you actually read

the book from Wall Street to White House and back some of the things I talk about in the book do not reflect well on me and I'll I'll just mention one off hand when I went to work for Donald Trump on the campaign and you can like or dislike me for doing that I think that that was an okay decision actually because I was a lifelong Republican he was the nominee I Went to go work for him on the campaign thought it was the right thing to do whether it was the right or wrong decision

it was inside the bell curve of good decision making when I went to work for him in the white house that was outside of the bell curve that was bad decision-making that was a ego-based decision that was a pride based decision and let me embarrass myself in front of your audience and explain it because I think it's very helpful to understand it I had grown up in a bluecollar family I went to some Fancy Pants schools I built a couple successful businesses oh wa now I can go work in the white house for the president

of the United States well I want to do that okay my wife hates Trump like almost as much as melan hates him I mean I just got to think about how much melan hates him to understand how close my wife is to that right and she didn't want me to do it but I did it for Pride reasons and for ego reasons so I write In the book don't make decisions based on your pride and your ego when you do that they usually end up as catastrophic decisions and so you know I tried to write

a real book you know I have read some of these books the guy's going up at a 45 degree angle up and to the right everything's perfect about his life he make any mistakes uh his his his decision-making and business pristine and Brilliant and he's going up and to the right and I'm reading the Book I'm like I can't even can't even finish the first two chapters and let me tell you what happens to their kids they all get goots or mugan orever you want to say they get nuts because what happens is you don't

provide any space for your children to learn you don't provide any space to see your vulnerability or to see the excesses or the vagaries of your personality and so yeah I have fallen hard and there's been hard times in my life but believe it or Not that has provided space for my kids they hey you know you're telling your kid you're going up and to the right and everything's perfect about your life you know you can really damage a kid because that's not that's not how life Works how do you determine whether a decision is

based out of ego or not you know you know it's like what Potter Stewart said about pornography remember they were writing that Supreme very famous Supreme Court case about what is or wasn't what Isn't pornography po Potter to is he pornography I know it when I see it you know you know you know when you're making that decision you can feel the brain chemistry reaching you can feel the brain chemistry you know it's probably not the right thing to do but oh I gotta do this to fulfill something you see what I mean was there

someone you were trying to impress myself myself narrowed I wanted my self Narrative I was trying to paint a uh pristine Nar like if you looked at my resume it's good resume you don't see all the underlying craziness I was I was trying to impress myself Kate is writing what did you learn working for Trump okay so that's a long question Kate but I'm going to say three quick things okay number one I learned that the government the federal government is the most massive most ponderous thing in the world okay there are 12 million people

Working for the federal government the budget of the federal government is 26% of the GDP of the United States and it's 8% of the overall world's GDP okay so you have to think about how massive and how complex that government is second thing I learned there are workhorses in that government and there are show horses in that government and unfortunately we have a lot of show horses in Washington That are pening and are focused on their own personal power and their own power preservation not necessarily serving the American public uh and then there are workhorses

these are men and women that are unraveling terrorist plots and they're trying to figure out a way to get Aid to people when there's a hurricane or an earthquake or they're trying to solve the The Dilemma at the border which not really being reported right now but we Have a 40% drop migration over that border in the last two months and some of that frankly is just from the cooperation that we are now getting from the Mexican Government that we weren't getting before so I mean I and I can go on and on but we

have ponderous government workhorses and show horses and then the third thing that I learned which is specific to Donald Trump is that that job requires you the Job of the president requires you to have so much intellectual security that you can push out the job and rely on the 5,000 people that are working in the executive branch if you don't do that uh you'll wreak havoc on the system and so you got to have somebody in a job like that that uh is smart enough to know that they may not know something and they're smart

enough to uh ask questions and be secure enough To tell somebody they actually don't know the answer to something I can't tell you the name of the person because it's a high-profile person but this person was trying to explain to Trump the difference between a Shia and a Sunni and Trump was too intellectually insecure he he didn't want to he didn't want to listen he was brow beating the guy because he didn't want the other people in the room to know that he didn't know the difference you know Someone else brought up the Sykes Pico

treaty which was the treaty between the British and the uh the French when they were evacuated from the Middle East during the first world war and the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and this treaty by and large has created most of the problems that we see today in the Middle East Trump didn't want to hear it you know he was too insecure to hear the story I write about it in the book actually I I had to Explain it to him by telling him a story about Lawrence of Arabia said you know Mr Trump do

you remember the movie Lawrence of Arabia oh you the movie with Peter ool oh was a great movie I said do you remember what it was about no I said well let me tell you a little bit about the plot right and that was a way of getting the information to him without making him feel bad that he didn't know the information so yeah no I learned a lot It was incredibly humbling and um it was a great experience I I wouldn't take that experience away for anything because I got to see something on that

I wouldn't have gotten to see had I not done it are you glad that you got out as early as you did so Karen if you're ever having a bad day Okay evan can send you my cell phone number I'll call and Sh unless it's cancer I can call and share you up because it can't be a worse day than the Day I got fired okay I got fired on July 31st 2017 I was blown out the front door of Pennsylvania Avenue I got skinned alive by the media pundants and then I got rolled in

margarita salt by the late night Comedians and then you haven't fully lived until you've been roasted and parodied on Saturday Night Live okay so these were some brutal humiliating events that happened and so uh at the time I was not glad that I got out as Early as I did I thought okay abysmal failure uh ejected after 11 days in the white house but today upon reflection Karen I am glad I almost feel like the universe saved me uh from an even bigger tragedy also okay uh my wife had filed for divorce on me and

so I just want you imagine I'm getting fire from the White House roasted by the American Media lit up on late night punditry and my wife and I are fighting to the point where She's f for divorce now she's Italian like me so they they move fast you know boom we're going even though we love each other we're going divorce so I had to leave that job and rebuild my marriage and thankfully we were able to do that and that requires as you know if you're in a relationship you got to eat crow in a

situation like that and you got to get yourself going in the right direction so so I had to do all those things at that time um Stephanie saying What is the most uh proud thing in my life I want to be cliche about this and say oh you know it's my five children Stephanie I don't I want to be cliche about that I'm going to say something different I'm going to say showing up has been the most proud thing of my life and what do I mean by that in 1976 my father walked into the

house he slammed every door I'm sure he broke a few plates he slammed the kitchen cupboard and what was Happening he was getting his hours cut back on his job we were going through a recession uh and uh my dad was an hourly worker and so he got paid by the hours Union if the hours are getting cut guess what happens you get less disposable income at home you're also his um we didn't have assets really he owned his house thank God but we don't really have assets so when you're a blue collar the country

right now you know you you get the dollar it comes in you don't own Assets if they're going to inflate the dollar well the dollar comes in and then you only have 80 cents of purchasing power you know the US dollar has devalued 22 and a. half% since January of 2020 right so just want you to think about that for a second if you're a laborer that that's killing you and your family it's killing your living standards in 1976 I looked around and said okay my parents need my help I went to got a Paper

out I got a work permit I went to go work at the Key Food I then work motorcycle shop at night and I was making about $60 a week and I was giving $45 of that to my mother and so the most proud moment for me is showing up the most proud moment for me is that I have gotten gearbox I'm going to be a provider I got to help my family members I got to make sure if kids are smart enough they can get to college and get their tuition paid or God forbid if

There's a medical emergency and somebody doesn't have the right Insurance you got to be able to step in and help them because when you grow up in a blueco collar family if you want to do it right you got to pull the people with you you don't leave them in the dust you pull the people with you and so that's the thing I'm the most proud of okay yes my kids for sure because I've shown up for them but it's about showing up and saying okay what can I do responsibly to Help as many people

as possible by the way that was the champ let's go back to the champ champ helped everybody okay and he grew up in Kentucky he was uneducated smartest person you could ever meet but uneducated but he helped everybody he was silently anonymously giving money out to so many different people people so chapter 15 in this book is dream shamelessly and often which I love that idea and you talk about Paul McCartney had this song for Yesterday in his head that kept coming to subconscious and Keith Richards and satisfaction and he just started listening to the

tune that was in their head and I'm curious for you what what's the tune that's in your head right now that you're going to start to listen to what a great autobiography Keith Richards wrote I mean just so you know your grandchildren will be tending for the world that they're leaving the Keith Richards just so you know that guy's Never Dying okay and that was one of the greatest books that I've read and I will just tell you you should read that book okay um but McCartney is a different guy okay because McCartney very different

guy from Keith Richards he's more connected you know like the ancient the Native Americans called it Indigo it's a color right it's that purplish blue color but if you read about with the Native Americans indigo that there was a shunt between you here on Earth and the Ethereal and the spiritual world and so McCartney has that gift you look at his songw writing and you look at him as a human being he has what the Native Americans would say Indigo and so his mother died and so that song was coming into his okay um and

so he wrote yesterday and then the other song related to his mother was let it be and he and he he just relaxed into it right and so I would say this to everybody listening sometimes you're charged up And sometimes you're overheating and so just like the computer sometimes we have to hit control alt delete on the computer to get it to work but that's not enough sometimes other times we got to unplug the computer from the wall and let all Tre come down and so that chapter to me is about dreaming shamelessly but listening

there's an inner voice going on inside yourself that is chanting to you if You're listening to it and you take out all the other noise all your responsibilities your obligations your ego which is the what you're identifying with and what you're expressing on the earth say what do I what do I really want do okay and so for me okay that is uh learning environments teaching listening learning that's where I'm most passionate so that's why I've got a couple of podcasts actually going And that's why I wrote that book and that my podcast is called

open book if you subscribe to it you'll be listening to me interview authors so why do I do that well I now we have inflation but if this was 198 8 5 I would tell you for $10 and for 10 hours you can get 10 years of experience from an author now it's $35 some author here this man is a brilliant guy he just wrote this book on Christendom and he he wrote about how this religion there's two billion Catholics okay there's like almost three billion Christians and this guy Peter hether he wrote uh he's

from King's College in London um and he wrote a masterful book about what happened over that 1,000 year period of time that changed Western Civilization okay this will take about 15 hours to read and I'm going to Interview him okay I want to talk to them about it because you're living in a world that was created by these people okay so that's what I get on I've made a decent amount of money I'm not hopefully not coming across bragging or anything like that I'm not the richest on Wall Street I'm not the poorest on Wall

Street but I have enough money where I can have a little bit of financial Independence and I can do some of the things I like which is frankly talking To you or writing books or listening to people and then seeing if I can get other people to get into that frame of mind I love it and I love all the I love all the stories let's turn it over some Q&A we got a whole bunch of hands already being thrown up I saw Bo X up first so what's your question for Anthony let's do this

hello Anthony uh great talk I really resonated with everything you said first off and knew nothing about you prior prior to this uh Call so thank you I did a little researching um you're obviously pretty Savvy in the financial sector uh with your hedge fund it looks like at one time you had s billion under management so my question to you is um what opportunities are out there for us where are you putting your money and your investor money high level doesn't have to go too deep but what what sector should we be looking at

you know how can We grow our wealth would you say are the best opportunities in the next five ten years okay so Bo thanks for the question and I and I did I peaked at seven billion I got my doors blown off during uh covid uh we got we got it wrong analytically um uh probably should be embarrassed to admit this to you guys but I will admit it I left the world economic Forum in January of 2020 and I thought covid was going to be like SARS or mirr and my Portfolio was not set

up properly and we got our doors blown off and of course I'm a high-profile person so I think there was a journalist from Bloomberg magazine that wrote my obituary my financial obituary and it made clients nervous and a lot of clients left the the fund uh and that you know that does happen in our industry now the great irony of that we made some adjustments to our portfolio and we've had the best Performance that we've had since I've been in the industry since that debacle so there's a couple of things there number one you're not

going to get everything right number two I I've got about three and a half billion under management now down from the seven uh the business is a little bit smaller but the performance is uh way better and it's a conversation about resiliency and adaptation and so you have to do that in life in every business and it May get bigger the business or it may not I'm less interested in that and I'm more focused on the performance if you said to me over the next five to 10 years what would I like to see a

person do with their money uh again I don't want to be overly simplistic and I I'm technically not allowed to give because of I'm a regulated Financial uh registered investment advisor so I have to talk very generically but I just want you think About this generically okay the first thing you have to do is put away money every single month okay there's a great book on this called the richest man in Babylon It Was Written in 1926 by George clayon I read that book at age 18 and whether I was making $500 a week or

$5,000 a week it really didn't matter uh you have to pay yourself first okay and so you could put the money into Berkshire haway you could put the money into Apple computer you could buy the S&P 500 you could buy Coke or Pepsi but you want to buy very high quality businesses and again I don't care how much you're making but pay yourself first you have a cable bill you have a mortgage youve got your kids tuition whatever it might be that's fine set aside some amount of money like a bill and you're paying yourself

first and if you do that consistently over many many many years you'll build a bigger nest egg than you Think uh second thing you have to do is you have to ignore the noise so if those people that left my fund had just stayed they would have done brilliantly well and they would have outperformed the S&P 500 but we did go through a very difficult period of time and we have Happy Feet when we're not doing well we have a tendency to run the dead people do better with their money than the living people and

if you don't believe me you can go Google it go Google Charles Schwab accounts of dead people so why do the dead people do better than the living well they can't access the account through the Ouija board you know and just so everybody knows dead people don't look at their accounts okay so they they sit in great assets and they don't get happy Happ feed or itchy trigger fingers and sell their assets and I'll give you a specific example I was at Goldman Sach when my first son was born in 1992 and so I bought

him and at that time it was a lot of money for me I bought him $1,200 not shares $1,200 worth of Microsoft put it in account that you you were getting paper back then and so they would mail me a statement every month my there's my son's account it was in a uniform gift for miners act account I was the principal on the account to be given to him on his 251st birthday and uh I lost The account now what do I mean by that I moved houses I left Goldman Sachs it was a time

before you had electronic delivery of of account statements they were mailing the account to the wrong address it was going into the Bermuda Triangle of lost mail 31 years later I'm contacted and a woman says you're Anthony scarm yes I am I'm pretty sure this is your account and we you know I want to just give you the heads up we Were mailing it to XYZ okay yeah that was my address in 1996 okay Which social security number blah okay the $1,200 $71,000 okay and because I didn't look at it I bought a very high

quality company and I didn't look at it and I will tell you guys I would have sold that thing seven times because when Steve bomber was running that company it was going like this I would have gotten Bored I would have sold it and so buy high quality pay yourself first and act like you're dead those are the three things I would tell people I love it that's great all right Jeff and Ellen what do you got for us what's your question for Anthony so my question is when uh particularly when you went through um

the situation with the White House and your your branding was then it seems taken over by the media right what do you do in a situation like that to Get your branding back and have you that is such a great question and I don't even know the answer to that question okay and I'm gonna say something to you that you'll get um when you go into politics you get two dimensionalized okay it's a tough business so um they don't want talk about the fact I went to Harvard Law School they want to act like I'm

some Goomba from Long Island right so like I was a Jersey Shore cast member I was Tony Soprano on the atomic John Oliver who's on HBO I mean you could Google this he scorched me for like 28 minutes everything he said about me was partially true but really wasn't 100% true but he built this beautiful portrait of me as a two-dimensional cartoon character and an imbecile and okay and then they go into your Wikipedia go read my Wikipedia I mean it's disaster I was at an event one night and this woman comes up to me

she goes you know I hated your guts I said Really you hated my guts she goes yeah but I just listened to you for the last hour I actually like you I said oh well thank you okay so what happens is you get flat standly you're a two-dimensional cartoon character and then you have to blow yourself back up again and the only way you can do that is through expression there's no other way what am I going to do let me have a public service announcement I'm not the Cartoon character that John Oliver said I

was so you have to go blow yourself up when I got fir from the White House my uh my team at skybridge they said we got to hire a crisis Communications manager for you I said okay so the crisis communication manager came in and said yeah you your reputation has been destroyed you should probably go to like Monaco for six years and I said so that means I shouldn't accept the invitation to go on Steve coar show no that would Be the stupidest thing you could ever do and I said okay get this guy out

of here okay and we're gonna do me and that's what we're GNA do and but you're asking such a great question because there's a group of people out there that hate my guts they don't know who I am they've decided they hate my guts my son had me really laughing my son is named one of my sons named Anthony right because that's what Italians do you know I'm named after my grandfather it's more Anthony's in my family than anything else right so my son's named Anthony he's at a he's at a restaurant in La the

woman says Anthony scar he says yeah I'm named Anthony scui are you related to the mie and he goes yeah that's my father she waiter she say you want to move her table from the kid cuz was like some hardle person and that was it you know she didn't want anything to do with me okay and I said okay well all right well you know that's light if you go Into politics it's like going into the NFL if you're in the NFL you're wearing a helmet you get a concussion guess what happens to you in

the NFL you get a concussion have you ever had a smart politician of course not right because the right is saying that Joe Biden is stupid the left is saying Donald Trump is stupid there's no smart politician because they spent tens of millions of dollars destroying each other so I don't have a great answer but I will say this To you I'm not going to let that perception stop me from being me okay and so you could have something going on in your life well okay person doesn't view me properly who cares be yourself go

out there and live your life you'll attract enough people that like you but it's a really really good question and I know I've had a good public speech when at least Le one woman comes up to me after I hated you guts now I like you a little bit you know that's awesome well After that praise for such a great question we're gonna put the pressure on who Ida Ida you're next you got to follow that what do you have for Anthony so I know you're very much into cryptocurrency correct yes so coming from a

person as a person who came from Wall Street where that was like a no go zone for for a lot of people going into government and now you're Pro cryptocurrency what was the information that that you learned that made you to Switch to like I really like this thing now and I want to push it forward like what was it the information all right so you get really another really good question because like this is like stuff that like I didn't need to do that right first of all if I wasn't a risk taker I

would never go work for the government nice business if I go work for the government um you could end up getting destroyed by the government right you could get this two-dimensional Caricature why waste your time doing that right and then the second thing is well why bother cryptocurrency you've already got made some good money you know when I bought my first Bitcoin I had clients call me and fire me and they told me you're an idiot Jamie Diamond hates this it's a decentralized pet rock and blah blah blah and then Bitcoin went up so at

the end of 2021 I had clients call me say wow You're a genius you're a Visionary I can't believe that you bought Bitcoin for me I'm so happy and and then at the end of 2022 Bitcoin went down and those very same people told me I was an imbecile and a lot of them fired me and so I don't think I'm a genius or an imbecile but I saw something in Bitcoin uh that I think is going to make it a very valuable long-term asset in our society and so I wrote a book about it

it's a a tiny pamphlet it's called The Sweet Life with Bitcoin how to stop worrying about this cryptocurrency something like that was the subtitle and I basically explained in the book that Bitcoin checks all of the historical boxes of what we have used money for uh it's fungible it's immutable it's easy to track uh money whether we like it or not is actually just the database so we pick things uh and we turn them into the technology use instead of bartering with Each other so I always have money on me so I'll just show you

these okay so these are Italian singles in my neighborhood okay take a look at these These are Italian signals right as Tony Soprano would say right these are $100 bills they are made out of cotton uh if you Google this it's made out of cotton and it's made out of linen okay 75% cotton 25% linen is it worth any and so the answer to the question of course it's not worth if we were in Freshman philosophy class it's not worth anything piece of fabric not worth anything yet if I give this to the mat D

tonight he's a happy guy if I give it to the valet they're happy because they have something that everybody trusts this is a piece of cloth that we're exchanging with each other for value you're going to give me a pizza you'll mow my lawn maybe you'll cut my hair okay and then the person that gets this he'll be able to use it to get Other goods and services from somebody else right and so we created this thing called money as a technology in order to transact with each other and if you read about the history

of money like Neil Ferguson's book the ascent of money you'll find that Bitcoin from a technological perspective checks all those boxes and it does one thing you can't make any more of it we know the federal government can make a lot of these okay we know that because We have high inflation in our country as most countries do but bitcoin's immutable and so when I really studied Bitcoin I said okay I have to own some of this for my clients and if you're risk averse it's a 1% allegation if you're not risk averse it could

be a 5% allocation uh it's more for me because I'm you know in the industry but I just tell tell people I could be wrong I'm not again I've been humbled by in markets but if you had a 1% allocation Of Bitcoin and I'm right and it goes 10 to one well you'll be well rewarded if I'm wrong you'll have lost one penny on your dollar and uh and I and I and I've looked at it that way for the last couple of years and uh you know listen I'm a 60y old guy you know

I deal with 60-year-old white males Ida you know what 60-year-old white males are like miserable okay and they all think they know everything you know what I'm saying so you know and they look at me like I'm A dummy to own Bitcoin but I don't think I am and I own it and I have it in size of my uh company's portfolios okay Karen what's your question for Anthony as a Canadian I just want to tell you that in watching you go through this whole process with uh with Trump in the White House and and

the firing um just watching you own this and turn it around was a it was an amazing feet um I also kind of but what I do wonder is like seems like you have a pretty thick Skin is that true or is it just you learned to just roll with punches and um yeah did you just learn to roll with the punches I I I mean listen I I think the again I always want to be Crystal Clear transparent and authentic I didn't always have a thick skin I'm not going to say that and when

I said at the beginning right don't let other people's thoughts invade yours you know what other people think of you is none of your business but you are social Organism you're of course that's happening to you you just have to build great habits to push that out of your mindset and so yes I have thicker skin today at 60 than I did at 45 or at 30 and definitely way thicker skin at at age 15 but I think I did something that I would recommend to you or anybody listening to me is the owning because

let me tell you something about owning something when you are capable in life of expressing your Vulnerability it is very hard for another human being to go on full blast it is very very hard because they're also vulnerable okay you know and arguably one of the most vulnerable human beings is probably Donald Trump which is why he's hyper Mass why he's trying to you know mask over his shortcomings but when you express your vulnerability to another human being gives them an opening to express their vulnerability and it also gives you an Opening to build a

real relationship and so I think that was the revelation of that experience not just to have a thick skin if you go to politics or learn to have a thick skin somebody said me well you got fired what happened I did some things I don't blame the president I don't blame John Kelly I don't blame anybody I got fired and I own my firing and I think that puts people back a step and say okay that's very honest that's Very real and have found in my life the more real you are with people uh the

easier it is to build a connection and so I would say this to everybody listening that the word trust is not near the word vulnerable in the dictionary because if you're able to be vulnerable with somebody they'll reciprocate sometimes and then you can build trust with each other Jeff what's your question for Anthony hey Anthony um yeah so writing books it looks like You've written a number of them I can't tell exactly how many but it looks like at least half a dozen maybe more seven seven okay um can you talk to us about the

process of writing a book I've been wanting to write a book for 20 years and I still haven't done it the Navy Seals they have a great line how do you eat an elephant Jeff you know what a Navy SEAL would say one bite at a time one bite at a time and that's how you have to write a book and so the first thing you have To do when you're going to write a book is you have to come up with a book idea the second thing you have to do is you have to

write write an outline and say okay I I I have a book think of every book that I could show you right there's an idea and there's an outline in the book wants to write about and then you take each chapter at a time that's my first book goodbye Gordon gecko I wrote that maybe 14 years ago this book was about the hedge fund industry so that Was more trade related right and so so those are chapter oriented books this is the book I was uh referencing about Bitcoin The Sweet Life with Bitcoin how I

stopped worrying about cryptocurrency you should too okay and this a small book okay and so tell me the type of book you want to write and then reverse engineer into the book right and so from Wall Street to the White House and back which by the way I didn't have a title for the Book that title was generated by chat gbt so what I did was I finished writing that book I submitted it to chat there's an editorial AI service that you can pay for it helps you with your grammar correct some of your spelling

and then it was done I said okay I just wrote this book uh they know who I am because I am a public figure chat gbt does said Anthony scaramucci just wrote a book on Brazilian what would you title it and chat gbt gave me 12 titles I picked Title number seven to title that book so the title came last but then I said to myself okay how am I get somebody to read this book well I'm going to write it in lessons right that if you look uh Evan said chapter 15 but it's actually

lesson 15 and it's only two three four pages and I made it so that you could open the book anywhere in the book you could pick out something and read it I wanted someone to buy the book fly to Los Angeles from New York and finish the book but I also wanted it to be in bite-sized nuggets so you have to tell me the type of book you want the Christendom book is not that it's very dense and then start with the chapters and then you start writing and then you have an earpiece maybe it's

a wife a spouse loved one you read it back to them how does it sound and then you keep moving and that's the only way you can write a book and my First book uh frankly I had to self-publish because nobody wanted the book uh and then the good news is I got picked it got picked up by somebody who reviewed it and then it went on Amazon and it started selling and then publisher came to me and said hey we want you to write another book and now I've been using that publisher for these

other books yeah Neil pastri sold over a million books uh around being awesome the book of awesome and one of his best Pieces of advice is make your book breathable yeah so that you when you're flipping through the pages it's easy to read you don't like read eight pages and you're like what did I just read again and every chapter is like 50 pages long so well said 100% this is a very breathable book you can get through it pretty quickly Alex is next he's he has a Superman background to match Anthony so there might

be a story what's your question for yes absolutely if if Superman could be my spirit Animo would be Superman so it was just uh this is actually my email signature and it was a very special gift actually from Evan uh back in the date um but my mission in life is to solve The World's Greatest problem which is loneliness it's something I've struggled since I was little and I believe if I spread belonging across the world through dance and dance schools I'll I'll get there and so my my organization let Organization my my my tribe

is mainly volunteer-based so for every one instructor there is six to eight volunteers and I want to make sure that as I grow to have 100 dance schools around the world that I maintain the core of what I stand for which is making people feel amazing about themselves and feel like they belong so as I scale what leadership mistakes besides picking volunteers based on culture can I avoid so that the heart of what I'm Trying to do goes from one location to 10 locations to 30 locations because I know you worked in the political sphere

and there's been so many organizations you've been part of I thought you it's a great question and I'm not sure if I'm the best person to answer it because I don't understand your business super well so I'm going to answer it a little bit generically because of because of that but I have found in scaling something that you need local Partners So if you're G to have 30 dance studios um I have found as example I built a business in Abu Dhabi um I reached out and got a local partner that understood the culture in

Abu Dhabi and so that we were bringing our business there he owned a piece of the business I owned a piece of the business and it became very successful because our incentives were aligned and so I don't know what your business model is uh but I would say to you you know you you try To bring in somebody as you're growing the business to bring in one partner but maybe you have people that own a small piece of or they have the ability to earn a piece of the studios that you're building because what ends

up happening is they're now super motivated okay and they're super incentivized right alongside of you so that that would be my that would be my answer you know um and you know there's a great quote uh Ronald Reagan Had this on his desk in the ovall office I can't remember I think he took it from George Bernard Shaw uh it there is no limit to what a man can do or where he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit all right so you can get anything you want in life as long as

you don't care who gets the credit it's a great line about delegation it's a great line about empowering others on on the journey alongside of you to help you get more like you know no one asked me This but I was asked a few weeks ago well you're doing podcast you're writing books you're running a company you're running the salt conference you're trying to raise some kids trying to stay married how the hell do you do all that and the answer is delegation got to be able to empower other people around you to do big

things so we see the AL the Superman behind Alex we saw your Muhammad Ali story what's the Superman Story I'm a comic book collector has always been a comic book collector but Superman is an amazing story it's a quintessentially American story remember it was Superman was by two Jewish young men who lived in Cleveland Ohio Joe Schuster and Jerry seagull and it was a response to the rise of Adolf Hitler and so Hitler at that time was talking about the Uber mench which was written by Frederick n about the German people and and Hitler Said

that he was going to create this Aran race and they were going to be racially pure and the best athletes and all this other stuff and here were these young Jewish men living Cleveland Ohio and they said yeah that's not going to work what works is America this quintessentially idea what Lincoln called the last best hope for mankind this wonderful experiment where all of our families regardless of ethnic groups colors races Creeds can come to America and benefit from and live aspirationally in America and so Superman is a metaphor for that he is a strange

visitor right he's not even from this another country he's from another world he comes to the country um and he has to live off of of good Americans who are his adopted parents of course he's raised in a small town in the Midwest and he does something very American he's trying to live a bigger life and he moves to the City but he has this love of mankind and he has these superpowers and so now he's going to stand for truth justice in the American way and so these are all metaphors for the aspirational American

experience and and one of the things that uh Alex think was his name brought up is that he's F fighting loneliness Superman is the lonliest of the superheroes because you know Batman Batman is who we are Superman is who we want to be but Batman's not necessarily lonely because he's a another human being Superman is actually alien to the planet and so he's always dealing with that loneliness and if you really understand leadership and Lincoln talked about this uh real leaders sometimes are very very long only because they have to go against the grain and

they have to do things that are outside of convention and so those are the reasons why I love Superman and and and those are the reasons why the Mythology of Superman is quintessentially American I love it Batman is who we are Superman is who we want to be I'm gonna no question Batman is a dark and you know you've got Darkness inside you just do now you got to fight the darkness every day but you know you have it okay Superman doesn't okay he is a strange visitor from a foreign planet and he's a good

guy all right I love it uh okay let's bring up spearo spearo what do you got for Anthony quick question for you so I'm in the insurance business but I also hold my Securities license so I'm starting to get a lot more active on social media and uh you know how compliance is compliance wants to keep you in this kind of sort of box so most of the content that I'm making if they take it they take it they chop it up they make it Bland and it's just not appealing uh when I post it

so I'm considering shelfing my seven the only problem I Have with shelfing it is I have an attachment to it because it was my ticket out of the restaurant business because I'm you know I'm Greek I fit The Stereotype my father owned the diner in the Bronx and uh I'm I'm I'm really struggling with shelfing it but it's really going to hold me back from doing what I really need to do on the social channels I mean what kind of advice would you give me okay so this is is Where we're talking about now really

good decision making which could lead to a bad outcome or a good outcome right right this is not ego-based decision-making it's not Pride based decision making and I think you have to answer three questions which will help you make that decision okay so question number one what is it about social media uh that you want to make more flavorful is it for personal reasons is it a hobby is it for business reasons you think It's going to attract you more business or is it just because you like doing it I I don't I don't know

the answer to that but you have to answer that question right so that's number one okay second question is how do you personally handle social media because I find people are very bad with social media myself included social media is like smoking once you pick it up you keep smoking you know I I think these phones you know at Some point someone's going to say these phones give the brain lung cancer general's warning label on the phones because the social media we can look at the social media and we know that it it it affects

our young children it makes some of them depressed it makes some of them anxious they're comparing themselves to a filtered life they're filtering their life and projecting it but they know they're unfiltered on the inside and Then they're looking at other people's fil filters lives and they're getting upset about it even though their people are also living unfiltered lives how do you handle social media like I can't gamble you know my I have I come from a group of gambling ad addicts and alcoholics so I don't Gamble and I don't drink you see what I

mean so what's your relationship with social media okay and how int you want that relationship to be and then the third question which I Think is the most important question is uh by giving up that Series 7 what other than the sentimentality of leaving the restaurant business and the Gateway that it created what is the economic value of keeping it okay now you can always go back and get it you know if you lapse it for two years you got to take the test again you have to have a cost benefit analysis on what the

economic value is of leaving that behind if you can answer all three of those questions you'll get To the right decision and by the way even after you do that it may or may not be the right decision that's the thing I try to tell people we make decisions we go left or right and sometimes they're right and sometimes they're wrong what we can't do is Regret them I don't wake up with a millstone of regret on my neck every morning and say oh I failed at the White House and got fired let me kick

myself in the pants again today you know we make our decisions leave them in the Past right La Lau the ancient philosopher he said if I think too much about the past I will be depressed because I've made decisions in the past that I now regret but then again who doesn't regret decisions you're just a human being if I if I think too much about the future I'll live with anxiety because I'll be anxious about the outcome or my failure to predict what's going to happen to me in the future so the best I can

do uh is live in the Present I have to get up today and focus on today I love it love the Lao reference and you know Shauna Dr Shauna is talking about make a decision then make it the right one yeah exactly you once you make the decision go with that decision go for the Gusto with that decision Janice what's your question for Anthony I have a question on nonprofits uh what do you think of starting a nonprofit to help other people I can go into tons more deep Detail but just what's your op on

nonprofits yeah I'm involved with several nonprofits I've been on the board of the brain tumor Foundation here in New York for 20 years I think these are always valuable things to do uh I'm probably controversial but I like for-profit things better and I'm going to explain to you why um I find that you can do a lot of social good in a for-profit situation and then you can take that money and you can use that Money for even greater good you know if I'm if I'm out there teaching or let say I'm out there public

speaking and I'm getting paid by my speaker agency to go speak somewhere uh and it's adding value to somebody or it's it's doing a public good and have the money to pay my niece's tuition see see see what I'm saying and so I like non for-profits and I've worked in non for-profits but I always wonder you know if you're better suited like one kid said to me once I'm Going to go work for a sports team and I said okay why are you doing that well I want to own a sports team someday I looked

at them I said well come to Wall Street you'll make yourself a billion dollars and you'll buy yourself the sports team it's G be very hard for you to you know ranks to own a sports team maybe you'll end up as a general manager you see what I mean so so it's probably a bad way to look at it I'm not saying it's the right way to look at it but um Again this is the same thing I said to the gentleman asking me about the series when you're making a decision like this why are

you doing it is there a monetary reason non-monetary reason is there a purposeful reason if it's a purposeful reason and you imagine yourself in that job or that nonprofit five years from now are you happy and why are you happy um then it it help more easily make the decision so I think you have to ask yourself those things Before you decide very cool Tanya what's your question for Anthony my biggest uh Enterprise not the only one but the biggest one is my two kids and from someone that has had a life with so many

setbacks and bigger comebacks I will appreciate if you can share um what other things that you you advise to prepare or to give your kids um the best chance to live a great life and to do great things yeah so I had a very eclectic set of kids you know I have Five children um I got remarried about 10 years ago so I have a nine and sixy old at home but I have a 32y old I have a 28 and a 24 year old my 32y old is into business you know he went to

Sanford business school he runs his own fund um I didn't want him to work at skybridge I wanted him to have his own fund that doesn't mean he can't Avail himself to the resources of his family but I wanted him to be able to learn how to fish as opposed to uh me feed him Fish and so the first thing I would say is find out the passion that your kid has and do everything you can to enable that passion because the happiest people in life live with passion so when I hear a parent say

well I told my kid not to do XYZ because that's a stupid job and they should go into being a doctor or they should go into being a lawyer I always stop and think I don't know maybe be the right decision but likely not no Mel Brooks the American comedian has a wonderful line about life and I he's almost like My Credo what does Mel Brooks say relax none of us are getting out of here alive it's a very short visit on planet Earth and so uh if you Empower your kids to do something they're

super passionate about they will uh take to it also admire you as they get older they'll be like wow my dad or my mom allowed me to do it so my son's in business but my daughter's a singer And so my daughter graduated from Brown University she's now 28 she was having a very tough time breaking in about a year ago she came to me and said I'm quitting uh she was very disconsolate about the whole thing I said well you know relax take another couple of years let's see if some things can happen she

got a big break she ended up playing Christine in Phantom of the Opera in Europe for Andre Lloyd Weber she she's now on tour with Andrea belli as Soprano uh if she didn't stay in it she would have missed it but now she's in it and more good things are happening so I think you have to also teach your kids that they can have setback Follow Your Passion I'm here to support it you can have setbacks and get comfortable with the setbacks it's part of the process and my 24 year old I mean he's driven

me crazy I'll just tell you that and he's got my name his name is Anthony and he is a film director he's done about 60 Music videos he's worked for Justin Bieber and Drake and Machine Gun Kelly I could name all the different ones he's now in the motion picture business he moved back to New York he just uh uh produced a short film that he's putting in the Tribeca film festival and uh he's a very creative young man and he's always wanted to do this and so he's filming this movie he called me it

was like 12:00 at night and he's like Dad could do this every single Day of my life I said what do you mean well the day that I just had I could do every single day of my life and so you're a parent I'm a parent I'm sure there's other parents here that's what I want for my kids I want them to say that to me I can do this every single day of my life and I think you have to empower your kid to feel comfortable uh with pursuing whatever that may be for them

and it may not 100% work out but it's okay if it doesn't Because the fact that they tried is where the real happiness I think comes in I love it Lydia what's your question for Anthony well first I want to say bravo bravo bravo you are amazing it has been such a pleasure hearing your smart your grit and your heart and that was very sweet of you thank you L when you went through all this stuff you went through with the White House I kept as I was watching because I'm a I am a News

Junkie and what I saw was you outshined Trump you just stood your ground and and your your courage Your grit even though you were wrongly hired for that position because there was no way Trump was gonna keep you you you outshined him you just you just had the shine brother you sound like General Kelly Lydia you know that's literally you know General Kelly and I are very close personal friends and he fired me and he said hey me you can't work here Trump trump doesn't like sharing the spotlight with anybody but You could see that

that's fine I mean look I mean but listen I also said one of the funniest things that's ever been said from the White House about Steve Ben and I mean I'm not going to go back you can Google it but he was probably the most malevolent person I've ever met in my life and I was like how is this guy close to this kind of power you can't have I mean you got to have people in those jobs that actually love other people you know I mean we got too many People in those jobs that

love themselves more than they love other people you know and that's what causing a lot of problems in the country because they don't they don't make the decisions based on what's in the best benefit of the people around them you know you know it sucks but that's the truth my question for you is what made you want to uh connect with Trump and this isn't political this is personal it's a really good question and I have to always I Have to I have to reflect on this in my life and it also again and and

I could be wrong about this this is my own view of it I was a Republican party fundraiser for 25 years I'd work for Mitt romley I work for Jeb Bush when Trump became the nominee I made the decision to work for him because he was a Republican and Jeb Bush told me do not work for him he's a malev guy he's going To hurt you and your family do not work for him and so that first decision was the wrong decision but in my mind that's one of those decisions where you can go left

or right I made the wrong decision pattern of thinking was rational and it was holistic wasn't ego- based when he won Lydia see if he had won and I had said okay I raised them some money I'm no longer you know I'm going to go back to work and not to work with him then I would have been okay I think I think the mistake I made was very ego based so even though Trump is bull and as I pointed out earlier my wife really can't stand a guy I mean like up there at Melania

levels can't stand them I wanted to go work for him anyway because the Allure of the Oval Office the allore of working down the hall from the president of United States flying on Air Force One which I did for three dimes reading the intelligence briefings getting involved in policy discussions That I thought could help the people of the United States is what I wanted to do I wanted to take a round Peg and I wanted to put it in a square hole so even though the bull meter was blaring and buzzing in my ear I

wanted to do that that's an ego based faulty decision okay and so I've made decisions where I've failed on my ass I say okay okay that was a legitimate holistic rational this one over here was ego and pride based that's a really stupid Decision you put your pride and your ego into the decision making you are setting yourself up for a fall and by the way especially in investing when you lock into something based on your pride it's going against you but you're an egotist and you think you're smarter than the market that's usually when

you get annihilated I love it so as we wrap up on our time in our conversation I wonder if you have a final bit of advice and then how can we support you and what You're doing with the book or anything else someone asked about the guitars just in the chat just quickly those so I do conferences so one of those guitars is from Lenny Kravitz uh one is from Maroon 5 and one is from train those are three uh bands that I had at my conferences and so they they sent me those guitars as

gifts or thank yous for uh paying them to come to my conference I don't I don't play the guitar I'm not musician in our family um I I guess I Guess I would close up Evan with the following first of all you asked me how you could help me so everybody could always use help so I would say if you could um help support my book that would be great if you could subscribe I have two podcasts that are reasonably popular one is the open book podcast where I interview authors I teamed up with a

very accomplished British journalist by the name of caddy uh and we do a weekly podcast rest is Politics us and it's a 30-minute discussion on what's going on in the political world so if you subscribe those two podcasts you'd help me uh so you asked me how you could help me those are ways you could help me uh in summary the thing I would say to people I mean this is a very hard human thing to do but you're here today so whatever the well hell happened yes yest today is over if your parents beat

you Up if your parents mistreated you you had a bad spouse if you had a rough time in life it's over okay you're here right now and you're here today and we have this temporary finite on Earth and if you go to that first lesson or first chapter in that book you find joy in your gratitude and you find joy in the simplest things in life if I can tomorrow morning order a Starbucks from the local Starbucks and head into work and enjoy my coffee you find joy in that You don't have to be whatever

is painted to you in the media this you don't have to be that but you can be that to yourself and your family and I think if you do that you're going to be very happy I always start out with a gratitude list every morning so okay here are the things I'm grateful for or what am I working on today I think if you do that you're going to be happy you build these habits of success uh you won't be permanently Happy by the way Because you can't be because your life is going to end

and unfortunately people you love are going to die and this is part of the human condition you know Sophocles had a great line he said we're always pissed at our parents and so in the ancient world somebody said well Sophocles why are we always pissed at our parents well they didn't ask us for permission to be born right I mean maybe some of us are for the whole thing the Life Death the Trials and tribulations the tragedies and the comedies of life and so when something's going wrong we always R it on our parents you

know and so the point I'm making is stop doing that focus on the present and I think you'd be very well served if you do that that's my final message the man is Anthony scaramucci the book is from Wall Street to the White House and back appreciate you spending time with us today man all right God bless you Evan I appreciate The time uh at some point I gotta ask about the Doritos okay I gotta see what that's all about all right thank you man all right see you to watch our last movie makers guest

presenter Ryan Siran check the video right there next to me I think you'll love it continue to believe and I'll see you there in 2015 I did one property tour of a $15 million townhouse that was impossible to sell and a 13-year-old Girl watched that video showed it to her mom her mom came through because they saw it on YouTube and they bought it for $13 million