[Music] bada beinging bada boom there was a viral tweet recently it's something along the lines of a woman's Notes app holds more mystery more Intrigue more truths than any film listen I don't know exactly what it means but I do know that my notes app is just like high security clearance level type stuff I mean I have my whole brain is on there grocery lists like new restaurants that I want to try Out directions on how to fix my stove the emotional text message that I never sent but I redrafted 25 times like all of
that is in my notes app and I'm sure a lot of you guys can relate to that a lot of people speculate that a famous Tik tocker and influencer by the name of Kathy Vu they speculate that she like us had a very colorful notes app so she mainly did voiceover Tik toks I actually came across her page before I even knew about this case before this case even Took place I felt like we had very similar Aesthetics like she loved everything pink pastel she had this moving out series that was actually very fun to
watch and I think that's how her social media just started blowing up like taking off she had this very sweet way of speaking when I navigated dating before I met my boyfriend I literally used to think that I had to prove to the people that I dated that I didn't need much from them and it just kind of made You feel like huh she feels like an older sister or she feels like a sister telling me about her her day she's also a little bit inspirational she would showcase her lifestyle which was I wouldn't even
say it's like normal it's just really nice like she had a very nice lifestyle she had just moved into this new luxury apartment bought a ton of these like cute kitchen wees and she would show everyone hacks on like how to do your laundry the right way like what To check before you move into a new place she also gave a lot of relationship advice she would post motivational workout videos I mean it wouldn't be hard to imagine that she had a lot of young girls looking up to this seemingly perfect life online so in
one Tik Tok she talked about her relationship and all the things that her boyfriend would do for her it's kind of giving the audience the whole this is what a man should do in a relationship This is how you should be cared for if he wanted to he would type of advice video she writes text in the Tik Tok while she shows off clips of him doing all these things for her and it says things my boyfriend does that have forever raised my standards always carries my luggage for me always down to travel and do
something spontaneous shows me his favorite things and is open to my interest even if they're out of his comfort zone is the most practical And thoughtful gift giver and pays attention to my interests but most importantly he caters to my emotional needs which allows me to be my most authentic weird self she even posted a Tik Tok showcasing a Macbook that he had bought her for her birthday and people were looking up to this relationship I mean they were commenting about how this is how boyfriends should be treating their girlfriends this is the new standard
and then everything absolutely Imploded Cathy's boyfriend was wanted by interpole for a double homicide and Cathy Vu herself was arrested for tampering with a crime scene authorities would find a note saap on her phone filled with a list of cleaning supplies that they they think was used in cleaning up the crime scene to a murder a murder that allegedly the authorities theorize her boyfriend had committed they also believe that her boyfriend bought her that MacBook very Soon after social media has now stated that was her thank you for cleaning up the crime scene gift let's
get into what happened [Music] as always full show notes are available at Rotten Mingo podcast.com this is still a developing case and this is just what we know as of the production date or rather like what we know of when this video is posted with the trial coming up I'm assuming there's going to be a lot More information that comes out with the legal process I will say though okay nobody has been convicted of a crime people have been charged there are theories of why they've done things there are speculations but this is just all
theories at the end of the day we're not going to know if they're guilty until it's proved in court wait so the boyfriend and Kathy are both arrested or bailed or so basically the boyfriend has another accomplice that was arrested for Capital murder so the boyfriend and the accomplice another guy are arrested for capital murder they have not been granted bail and Kathy has been granted bail and she has much much much lesser charges of tampering with evidence I believe I will say though that this case even on the social media but also the mainstream
aspect like the mainstream media front of this has centered more around Kathy Vu she's become the main topic of discussion with this case Because I think you know for one it's fascinating that someone can have such a quote open transparent public internet life if you will and then turn around and have such dark things happening behind the scenes I do understand the fascination of that and even just the contrast itself of her being this very soft voice girl with like a love for San Rio and then allegedly being involved in a brutal gruesome double homicide
you know I can Understand that there's a lot of shock and Intrigue but it is important to remember that there are two other parties involved and I think because there's just not a lot of information on them everyone has just been laser focused on Kathy Vu and I will say that even this episode we'll have more information on Cathy as of right now since she was the public figure when all of this went down but hopefully that will change as the trial moves forward And we will get more information on the two other perpetrators but
with that being said let's get into it in 2009 a reporter slw writer named Evan Ratcliffe disappeared 2009 okay well he tried to disappear it was a challenge he wanted to see in the era of Facebook Instagram cell phone security cameras on every street corner he wanted to see if he could hide somewhere in the world without his readers finding him he offered up $5,000 for anyone that could Find him and they had one month to do so there this was like a whole movement on social media people were forming groups like Watchdog groups they
were forming Instagram Pages it was everyone was trying to find him not even just for the $5,000 but for the fact that they could they wanted to prove something he was found 3 Weeks Later by a team of civilians civilians who were interested in the reward money 3 weeks so did he post anything on social media during That left yes he left little nuggets here and there but not they weren't big they were really not big at all yeah you know what the Tik Tok that try to find where I am with the with the
photo like you located at GE location oh so scary terrifying right and I imagine it's only getting harder now because that was in 2009 and this is 2023 I mean think about what could have happened in like the past 14 years yes 14 years but if you had to right do you think it would be Safer to go to a densely populated city like would you rather go to New York City Hong Kong maau Beijing like all these cities where there's so many people that you can get lost in the crowd that you can blend
in or do you go somewhere where very few travel like the middle of nowhere yeah for sure middle of nowhere less eyeballs like somewhere wooded somewhere quiet yeah absolutely interesting so hoochi Min City actually has more people than New York City did You know that really yeah the city surrounds the Saigon River it's in Vietnam which I heard it's really beautiful at night because the city lights reflect off the river yeah and it's beautiful it's a city that also feels like it never sleeps apparently their n life is really crazy like just rooftop bars nightclubs
casinos like no sleep next Club back to back and it just feels like a big Vegas but better like you can blend in you can feel like you Can let loose and no one will know no one will even remember by the time that the sun comes up even in February it feels like summertime in Vietnam so thousands of people they're traveling from all over the world to Vietnam to hide away from like the winter months of the other countries and it's nice in the sense that everyone truly feels like they go about their business
they don't really pay too much attention to what everybody else in the city is doing I Imagine that finding your friend in a city like this would require back and forth communication like you would need to have a Meetup spot you would need to coordinate a time but imagine you have to find someone in the city that doesn't want to be found someone that's hiding there were two young men hiding in Vietnam they're trying their best to blend in and be be invisible you have 26-year-old ply fan and 25-year-old Jaden W the two took very
different Approaches they landed in Vietnam on different planes on different days and poy he tried his best to blend in with the crowd in Hoi m city he's trying to stay under the radar he's trying to appear normal from the outside like if you were to bump into him on the street you're like oh this is just another random resident he would actually go to the gym sometimes he would even go out on the weekends he would join The Nightlife and every time he would go Back to his place of residence he would look left
he would look right he would look over his shoulder to make sure that he wasn't being followed and then he would put his key in the door Jaden had a completely different approach he went to like the suburb suburbs the place where very few ago not even just like regular suburbs I'm talking like Countryside he met a young woman pretended to fall in love offered her a Visa into his home country the United States and her parents willingly took him in with open arms and for a while it worked nobody suspected that these two young
men were want Ed by interpole nobody knew that because just a few days ago before they landed in Vietnam they had allegedly brutally murdered two men in Cold Blood let me take you to the day of the murder January 26th 2023 let's talk about John okay John is his fake name he's anonymous but he is a Neighbor he's been trying to fall asleep for the past I don't know like 3 hours he's tossing and turning he's trying to put his cushion over his head and his damn dog just was going at it like barking nonstop
just would not give it up John is like what do I need to do do I need to show you every room in the house to tell you we don't have a home Intruder nothing is going on his dog is practically pacing around his house nonstop as if someone had lit a fire Under its butt side note John doesn't really seem that nervous that there was something going on or that there was someone outside lurking in the woods trying to get into his house house he lived in a gated private community in Houston Texas with
only about like 10 other houses it's really safe the houses were also pretty close to one another so it's not Town Homes they're not stuck together they're not sharing walls but they've got tiny little slivers of sidey Yards so it's really hard for someone to have a home invasion and the neighbors don't notice everyone sees everything so this is pretty much as safe as you can get in a single family home there's a lot of ring cameras nearby a lot of nosy residence a lot of close proximity it would be very difficult for someone to
even Rob one of these 10 houses so he lifts up his head and he's like okay what in the world is going on like please go to sleep and he flips Over and he knocks out he gets up a few hours later to start the day and he looks at his window as he always does as he drinks his cup of coffee and everything is normal neighbors are walking their dogs as normal he could see across the street in to his neighbor's house James James is his neighbor and James's white Prius is in the garage
I mean everything seems like that morning bustle before everyone's heading to work John picks up His dog to bring him to the front lawn and he glances back up at James's house and it's strange because his white Prius is sitting in his garage his garage door is open it's lifted H like he forgot to close it yes but now that he's outside he can actually hear the Prius is running the engine is on and it's parked and it doesn't look like anyone was inside of the car but again would you really consider this some sort
of like bombshell neighborly gossip even it's January in Houston I mean it's it's not freezing but it's pretty cold if you're running into your house to grab your phone or run back out to leave after you grab something you would probably keep your car on so that you don't get cold on the way out so John goes back into his home and he goes through the motions of his morning routine he heads back outside once more to hop into his car and leave when he's like oh my God James's Prius is still part parked in
The garage the garage is still open and the car is still on and there's no sign of James anywhere and again he doesn't think anything terrible happened he's just thinking maybe he doesn't know I got to let him know like hey bud you left your car open right you left your car on he called James's phone no response he starts feeling a little curious a little anxious so he makes his way over to his neighbor's garage and The engine is on but not only that this is where he starts feeling kind of like a unsettling
feeling the windshield wipers are going was it rainy last night maybe it's really weird why are the windshield wipers still going like even if you're running in to grab something you would probably turn it off it windshield wipers even when it's drizzling I like to turn it off and then I'm like okay I need it again it's frosting yeah it's Just like it's squeaking like back and forth back and forth almost in like a creepy haunted manner the car is empty the garage is empty the house feels eily quiet and he just like James no
response John walks around goes to the front door cuz it's it's pretty rude to like open the garage door and be like hello are you in here and he starts knocking on the door ringing the doorbell no response and now John's thinking either I move on with my day and I go to work Or I do something a little bit crazy and you know what it's crazy but I think it's okay he goes around the bushes and starts trying to peek in through the front window of the house house if James catches him I'm sure
that there would be this Awkward Moment of explanation but something in his gut is like I got to do it I just don't feel good about this I don't think that I can go about the rest of my day and not keep thinking back on this morning John tries his best to Balance and get as close to the window as he can and his stomach drops I mean the heavy gut feeling that he had was confirmed the house was totally rans sacked just things were thrown about everywhere and there were some splatters on various surfaces
that were very dark and yes it looked like blood like it didn't look like someone was spilling water it didn't look like a water balloon burst it was blood John runs back to his house he calls 911 and Within minutes at around 8:30 a.m. officers arrive at the house for a welfare check I think officers were expecting to walk into a potential home invasion or some sort of burglary maybe a domestic issue but I don't think that they were prepared to come across a scene that looked that looked like it was out of a scene
of Breaking Bad they walk into the house furniture turned over thrown everywhere doors Cabinets all swung open blood splattered on the walls floors bullet fragments throughout the house and in the middle of the chaos there was a man laying in a large pool of blood he had been clearly shot multiple times to get a better idea of who this was and how they were killed authorities searched the rest of the house and found several packages of marijuana packed in airtight wrappings 129 lb of marijuana 129 lbs that's like a human That's like yeah so in
in Texas marijuana is not legal okay yeah yeah so that would be um that would probably possession with intent to distribute okay wow yeah yeah so they also found 10 lb of hash oil so think of like a a dog like the weight of a dog in hash oil hash oil it's like a CBD oil that is like more potent than marijuana okay and when they opened up the freezer the freezer they found $36,000 in cash staring back at them but nobody took This no I mean the marijuana itself is worth a lot of money
but then $39,000 just in cash I don't know yeah I don't know why you say all the cabinets were open yeah so it seems like someone was trying to find money or find drugs or find something but what happened like how did they not take any of this and why is there someone dead yeah cuz this is just doesn't make sense like what the hell happened here was this a drug rated murder if so why did they not take Anything why didn't they take the marijuana why didn't they take the Frozen cash authorities they quickly
pieced together that the dead man in the living room was not James he was not the homeowner what so who is he how is he connected to all of this the man in the house was 35-year-old Dana Rizal he was actually from Oregon but James was a very close friend of his that he was visiting in Houston okay so James had actually lived in Oregon prior to all of This and this is kind of pertinent because both of them were in the marijuana business and it's completely legal in Oregon so they were legal Distributors of
marijuana and then James decided to kind of take a step back from this business he stopped working with all of his companies in Oregon he moved to Houston to focus on being a father and his best friend Dana was visiting him now it does seem like maybe he hadn't Cut all of the ties because like I said there were 129 lbs of marijuana in his home and I don't want to see people victim blaming because it doesn't really matter if you have possession of drugs if you're murdered like that means nothing like you can't be
like oh well they had drugs it's a very weird way of thinking so it seems like they hadn't fully cut the ties now the problem is marijuana is illegal in Texas mhm Dana seemed to be visiting his close friend In Houston and people said that the two were just like as thick as th they had very similar energies they had these Larger than Life personalities they were also the type of friends that very much valued loyalty what does it mean as thick as thieves it's that a saying it's a saying yeah where they're just the
type like when you're friends with them you know they have your back mhm and they're just really best buds they would never betray each other There's no way that anyone could come between them like thick as thieves you know and it sounds cheesy and in today's case loyalty might not seem like such a positive thing anymore you're going to see why but these two they were very loyal and they were very honest with one another like you know those friends that will stick by you no matter what but if you do something they'll be like
hey that was dumb why did you do that that was kind of their friendship so why was James's close friend Dana who was presumably there to meet and visit James why was he found dead in his house and where was James police had a few leads to follow one being Dana's car neighbors reported seeing a Dodge Ram with Oregon license plates it's like a pickup truck parked in front of James's house and now it's missing clearly Dana wasn't the one to drive it off the property so who did it seemed like whoever the killer was
stole Dana's car afterwards as like a getaway vehicle of sorts so this car could potentially provide them for the answers that they're looking for they issue had a bey on the lookout a bolo for the 2002 white Dodge Ram additionally authorities reported James missing they tow the Toyota Prius so the Toyota Prius is James's car it's in the garage they tow it to their impound lot this is like police evidence lot this is not just like a random tow truck lot this is Police evidence this is where they're going to take your car if they
confiscate it and they go back to following the rest of the leads Dana's pickup truck was found 2 Days Later abandoned just the truck was completely empty James was nowhere in sight they towed Dana's truck to the police station to be processed processed for possible evidence as well and other officers that are working on this case they used find my iPhone to track down James's phone it Was just left at the white oak by you so it looked like either someone discarded it to get rid of evidence or maybe James himself could have thrown it
out the window or thrown it away himself to avoid being tracked and throw officers off his Trail so now authorities have Dana's body Dana's car James's car James's phone but where is James now this is the part that I can wrap my head around this is truly bizarre 5 days later investigators find James's body in The Toyota Prius what in the trunk of the Toyota Prius that they have that that they had confiscated and impounded to the police lot 5 days ago I don't know why and it's not like he was hidden somehow In This
Very intricate manner in the Toyota Prius he was in the trunk of the Prius wow wow there's even a very eerie picture of a police officer with crime scene tape all over James's home and you see the Toyota Prius still parked in the Garage and the officer is kind of like looking at it at that moment James's body was in the trunk what I I just what so I guess they just started processing the Prius for evidence and popped open the trunk so that's on February 1st of 2023 they found James Martin's body I mean
it's just so confusing to me nobody knew why nobody knew why they didn't search the car earlier because they it seemed like they had multiple officers working this Case clearly I saw some arguments that said that they weren't able to get a warrant until 5 days later but I highly doubt that like you're talking about a very gruesome murder I think the Judge would have prioritized the warrant to a degree and they also they had so much probable cause to get a search warrant like stat ASAP wait there's a murder and you need a warrant
to search the crime scene that doesn't make sense doesn't sense and PE okay please someone who's More familiar with the legalities of this but if they're already searching the home and the car pounded a car they took the car yes if you have the authority to move private property like a car from one location to another I feel like you could search the car I mean also if they already you need to search the car you're already in the car they already driving the car or take yeah exactly yeah I I just don't understand okay
and another thing is if There are already searching the home and the car is technically on property would it not be a part of the search warrant and I also believe it is much much easier for police to search your car versus your home like the amount of um probable cause that they would need to search a car is like here maybe they went in the car and they're like oh it seems totally normal there's no blood there's nothing so we should be fine wow it's just a very strange detail To this case I hope
it's explained later during the trial because I just don't I personally don't understand if you have more insight please let me know in the comments I tried looking more into it but I'm like none of this makes sense everyone seems confused so back to the case James was found beaten tied up and dead in the trunk of his car his feet ankles and hands were bound with duct tape there was also duct tape wrapped around his head and face it was also Clear that he too died from multiple gunshot wounds just like his friend Dana
so police now now they have a double homicide on their hands and honestly it's a very weird situation they have a little bit to go off of but it's not a lot the sheer amount of marijuana found in the house along with the money in the freezer it gives them potential Insight on the type of crime that it could be on the type of people that might be involved but it doesn't Really answer who exactly is still involved they had no eyewitnesses to go off of none of the other neighbors saw anything yeah sure John
was like my dog was barking up a storm that night but he didn't see anything he didn't hear anything all James's neighbor said was we saw that pickup truck the Dodge Ram Dana's car and then it was gone that's it we didn't see any people go in and out of the house we didn't see someone drive off in that car we don't know so The police they went to their favorite eyewitness security cameras they canvased the area to see if anyone had ring cameras home security cameras businesses with security systems and eventually they found videos
from different cameras different angles and they were able to piece together somewhat of a timeline eventually these little videos like little breadcrumbs like you know the tape on the forest like when you leave little breadcrumbs It's like that it would lead them straight to the suspect's door and I think you know with a case like this I'm sure the police don't have a suspect image in their minds or at least they shouldn't if they're good at their jobs like you shouldn't have a preconceived notion of who the suspect is right but with everything they were
presented with thus far the evidence the breadcrumbs the clues I imagine that they had a vague idea of the type of person that They were looking for you're like okay maybe you could see them and be like I could see how these two are connected maybe the suspect has some drug charges in the past or maybe this person has some sort of criminal history maybe some dealing charges I could see that right but they ended up at the door of a San R loving pastel obsessed Tik tocker influencer Cathy Vu and they're like what the
hell is going on right now for example Kathy post did a Tik Tok Where she gave dating advice and she said it's okay to be independent but don't make it the main reason why someone should date you she talks about how before she met her current boyfriend she used to feel like she had to prove to all these boys that she was independent and that she made her own money and she felt like it was it was a good thing to show men that she didn't need them but instead she said she realized she was
only attracting bums That's what she said bums with that kind of attitude basically saying as a woman you should be taken care of this is paraphrasing but she said she never really received F flowers from anyone before she started dating her boyfriend because she just she just wanted to show men how chill and indifferent and laid-back she was she wanted to make herself digestible and she advises young girls that they should take up space that they Should be as irritating as you want to be like don't change your personality for men like don't do these
things for men she said that now she doesn't want to go through relationships dumbing herself down to make herself convenient for others mainly men the only men that you attract by proving that you don't need much are bums they foam at the mouth when they find out that you don't need much from them to be happy the only person I was hurting by not requiring Much from my partner is myself bum ass men love women that are really independent because most of the time this hyper Independence comes from some type of trauma now we don't
know too much about Cathy vu's relationship other than what she puts out there which is it's pretty clear that she's very selective in what information she puts online about her boyfriend there are parts of their relationship that now in hindsight people have been picking apart Yes there are okay so Kathy stated that her boyfriend was shy and that's why she never really showed his face on camera I don't even think people knew his name her boyfriend's name is poly fan and in hindsight neens now believe that she never shared his face because he was heavily
involved in illegal activities but it does seem like he showered her with monetary gifts he would take her on trips by her designer stuff but Kathy still prided herself in having this very Successful career so yeah from the outside they seem like a very perfect couple well now video evidence showed two men presumed to be paully and Paulie's good friend Jaden arriving at Cathy vu's apartment complex when did they arrive at Cathy's the day before the murder like the night of the murder oh so they are they met up there first before they okay the
police are trying to reverse track the movements all they know is that Dana is dead and James was Found dead in his white Prius that was parked in his garage so they're trying to see when did the Prius pull up to the garage where was the Prius coming from who was driving the Prius so they get all these little CCTV clips and the last time that James was seen alive was entering Kathy vu's apartment or at least the apartment build but on the CCTV cameras they don't see Kathy Vu they see Cathy vu's boyfriend and
their friend Jaden W so you've got Paulie and Jaden meeting up with James at Kathy vu's apartment building so we never saw James driving home no they actually see other people driving home M so the white Prius was driven by someone else yeah so the white Prius is driven by James into Cathy vu's apartment building so James is a at this point and he's driving his car and he's meeting up with paully and Jaden yes that's what it seems like right because what they're they're kind of guiding him Into the garage motioning him for to
park in the garage now this is where I have questions all reports indicate that this was a regular shular apartment building garage meaning like a parking lot maybe there's a gate maybe you need like a beeper to get in or some sort of like tag to get into the garage but it's pretty public like the rest of the residents can use it maybe guests of the residents can use it I don't know how all of the next series of events Plays out if this is just a regular shmegular parking lot because soon someone's going to
transport James's body into the trunk of his car yes how was that done right we don't know yet and I'm sure maybe they're saving that for the trial some people have speculated online that there are certain apartment complexes that have private garages for residents to lease so it's like a home garage it's weird it's like a home garage it's Closed off it doubles as like a storage unit but I couldn't tell if Kathy of V apartment offered that type of service or even had that so all we know is that James is seen driving up
in his Toyota Prius he meets up with paully fan Kathy vu's boyfriend and their friend Jaden Wen this is the last time that James has seen alive the last time he's seen is walking into the apartment with the two men there is no movement and then nothing happens there is no movement no Significant Happ openings on camera and half an hour later you can see the garage doors to the apartment complex open and the CCTV camera show two men backing out of the garage in James's Prius James is nowhere to be seen and the police
track the Prius all the way back to James's home so it seems like James's the theory is James was murdered inside this apartment he was put into the trunk of his car and then his car was driven back to his house the Two men are suspected of being inside James's house and within that hour Dana arrives in his Dodge Ram and a little while after that Dana's Dodge is seen driving away from the house and once again there's two men in that Dodge so from the footage it's easy for authorities to piece together a theory
of what they believe took place and again this is just a theory no one has been convicted authorities believe that James was lured to the apartment complex Where Cathy Vu lives by Cathy's boyfriend and their friend Jaden he met up with the two men there are some rumors that Kathy helped lure James to the apartment but I don't see any proof of that James was most likely ambushed tied up and murdered in the apartment authorities felt that it was clearly premeditated and just going by the officer's Theory moving forward they believe that the suspects paully
Jaden right they placed James in the trunk of His own car they drive to james' own house where they parked the car in the garage kept the car running for whatever reason I'm not not sure entirely why maybe they were in a rush maybe it was just the chaos of the situation but it is a strange detail authorities believe now they went inside to ransack the place looking for drugs money Andor both but while they're in that process Dana comes home sees what they're doing and officers theorized that Dana was killed To avoid any eyewitnesses
to this crime and since they had just escalated from a homicide to a double homicide and the idea that perhaps you know the murder of James was premeditated to agree they might have felt like now this is getting out of control like we had planned to kill James we had planned to do this but now now this is like a show this is a mess maybe there was even a struggle that broke out this is the theory right authorities believe it was a spur of The- moment decision to kill Dana maybe they were so shaken
up that they fled right away without taking any of the drugs or money or maybe they believed that the gunshots could be heard by the neighbors they drive away in Dana's car because they can't take James's car James is in the trunk of that car they drive away in Dana's car abandon it on the side of the road and then they run on foot is the theory is the allegation I mean the movement kind of makes sense If this Theory does come to be true it's it's genuinely terrifying that two people's lives were taken so
so abruptly and brutally for some drugs and money like I get it it's a lot of drugs I get it it's a lot of money but like where is the humanity like these are people now I know a big argument of this case is going to be why were there drugs in james' house in the the first place and like I said James and Dana were said to be commercial marijuana Farmers from Southern Oregon where it is very much legal and they were licensed but more recently James had moved back to Houston just to be
closer with his family and it seemed clear that both of these men wanted to distance themselves from this line of work they were kind of pulling away from the industry James he wanted to focus on being a good dad for his son meanwhile Dana he started kind of hanging out more in Portland he wasn't a father yet yet but he had a nephew and Niece in Colorado and in Washington he would take time out of his busy schedule travel across state lines just to spend like a day or two with his niece and nephew it's
like he would people said he came alive whenever he saw his family you could just see how proud he was to be a part of their lives and just to watch them grow which is a pretty big sacrifice for Dana Dana was Dana was big with work it really was his passion before he started kind of pulling away So in 2016 he started a cannabis Distribution Company called ltmn it was pretty successful a lot of people said that Dana just had this crazy networking ability like if you had an aerial view of a networking event
people would all kind of like EB and flow around but there was on always a circle just gravitating towards Dana people really liked him he was hilarious he was a good-natured man and people could see that within just like 5 minutes of Meeting with him it was so easy to talk to him he he had all this life experience and a lot of stories that he would share with people and it was just so fun he would be out one day partying in Vegas and then the next day he's hiking through yede I mean this
was a man that loved to experience life and just go on these new adventures and just really challenge himself to see what else is out there it was something that he had in common with James A friend of James said you could see this man in a meeting with Fortune 500 CEOs he would fit right in he would be comfortable in his own skin and then that night he would fit right in at like a crazy Rock concert he also loved rapping he self-produced a fun rap song called hustle hustle ball and like some of
his friends kind of poked fun at him because he's shirtless and he's got sunglasses and a backward cap on in the video and he's Like rapping it's posted on YouTube and they thought it was very very silly but it's also just what made him so lovable he was very free-spirited he didn't care he never took himself or anything that seriously he just did what he liked he just did what made him happy he also founded a Portland based Edibles company in 2016 and in the end by 2023 both of these men were starting to pull
away from the Cannabis industry in Oregon James he wanted to do it for his family Dana he wanted to try experimenting with different businesses but I don't think that you know it's it's something that you can just wake up and wash your hands of just be done with the industry maybe they had a lot of inventory left over maybe it was you know something else it was a business that they had built for years so most likely it seems that a few ties had remained now the problem is marijuana is not yet legal in Texas
so police they execute a search Warrant on Cathy vu's apartment now if I'm not mistaken this is the same apartment that she did the whole series of moving into my new apartment on like the one that kickstarted her career on Tik Tok and everything had been so wholesome online and it is now believed that this very apartment is allegedly where a murder took place so it's it's kind of jarring I do want to clarify that Kathy was never seen on CCTV cameras luring James into the Garage and that's not to say that she's not involved
in some way shape or form but authorities clearly believe that she was do we know if she was home inside or no um it doesn't seem like it from what I can gather but we haven't received like a firm statement at least that myself and my researchers haven't been able to find where it was like she was not home okay kind of like all these different things lead us to believe that she wasn't home at the time okay and I'm Sure if she was home it would be shown on CCTV that at one point she
arrived home earlier of the day yeah that will put her at the crime scene which will change her charges yes yes for this case yeah she'd probably be an accomplice to capital murder right so okay yeah so authorities clearly believe that she was involved in some way shape or form they found an HB door receipt so this is like your Ralph's or your Kroger they found a receipt that showed that Kathy purchased Items the day of the murder and um you know the items were they were suspicious she bought bleach peroxide trash bags on top
of that police found bleach and iodine bottles in the the back of Cathy's car bleach and what iodine it's like salt basically it's like a cleaner you can use it as cleaning found in the back of Cathy car and um yeah to buy that on the day of the murder is is it's kind of suspicious when someone is seen coming Into your apartment and then never seen coming out and then you buy cleaning supplies before the murder took place oh this was before not after not during but it was before James was last seen alive
but to be fair I mean you could argue that maybe she was just a clean freak I mean there was a Tik Tok that she posted that stated that she loved cleaning she was in insinuating that she was kind of a bit of a clean freak I will play it for the visual Watchers but For the audio listeners she's kind of doing a day in my life as a corporate marketing girl in the alcohol industry she walks us through her day of getting ready for this promotional event at a club she's got to go to
Michaels get some gift bags set up a backdrop photo booth it shows her being incredibly hardworking but the part that is definitely been picked apart like to Hellen back is at the club during her day in my life Tik Tok there is a moment Where she talks about how this particular Club has a wet rag scent because a lot of the workers use wet wet rags to clean the countertops and she talks about how she even brought her own cleaning supplies and is literally seen in the Tik Tok cleaning the counters while people around her
are partying okay so heart the club that we were at sometimes has this like musty smell because of the wet Rags they use they're not entirely clean so there's always This really bad lingering smell my friends thought it would be funny to record me cleaning actually didn't know they were recording at first but I did bring my cleaner bottle from home to wipe down my section so people picked it apart because she was cleaning um some people stated that she posted this because she wanted to kind of have something to fall back on like you
know when you're in that state of like I'm about to this is purely speculation from Netizens not even police okay some netizens were saying maybe she posted it because she knows she's about to buy cleaning products for a murder and now she's like slipping that in there to be like look I actually love cleaning I'm just a clean freak and that has nothing to do with anything it's not out of the norm for me some people were saying it's just a coincidence so this Tik Tok would be dragged to the depths of Helen Back and
analyzed till it could no longer be Analyzed and some people argue that she truly maybe was just a clean freak and while most of us probably don't buy Bleach iodine peroxide trash bags all at once and coincidentally on the day of the murder that allegedly took place in your own home but maybe she's a clean freak like we won't know until there is a trial authorities stated that they found a note on her phone which was a list of items to purchase including but not limited to bleach towels and iodine Is iodine very common Cleaning
Supply or I don't think so cuz I feel like I would kind of consider myself a bit of a clean freak and I I don't even use bleach when's the last time you saw bleach in our house yeah yeah cuz I mean you know you can use a little bit I mean not saying that everyone with bleach in their house I know that there's a lot of uses for Bleach but I guess it's just a very hard substance I Tred to stray away from as like a just a cleaning my Apartment type of girly they
also believe that this indicates that Cathy had prior knowledge of what was about to happen and she was planning to help assist and have somewhat an somewhat of an active role in the crime they also ran her phone records and they found that Cathy was messaging her boyfriend Polly during and after the suspected time of the murders authorities think that she was coordinating using her garage and apartment and then Coordinating the cleanup so just to clarify it seems like officers believe that she was helping coordinate and clean up the crime scene so we don't know
what she said this is from police police saying we feel like this is what was going on yeah I'm sure police know kind of what was said maybe maybe the text messages maybe not the phone calls right like there were multiple FaceTime calls um there were some speculations that she was calling calling to verify Over and over again that her boyfriend had closed the garage when they left her apartment that's kind of what we know as of right now after paully and Jaden left her apartment in James's car she facetimed him six times in the
span of 25 minutes they also texted each other to verify that the garage door had been closed H so she at least know that they left they're there and they left but you could argue that she didn't know that James was there right you could argue That she only thought that her boyfriend was there and was like hey babe did you close the garage door cuz I'm not home multiple times or it's it says that she called him six times or she was FaceTiming with him six times in the span of 25 minutes so I
think I think more than the cleaning supplies the text messages and the phone calls are probably a worse look in my opinion it just you know the cleaning supplies you could try and twist it and argue and be Like you know she works in a corporate sphere she maybe she bought it for this or that but the text messages are interesting now I have seen some online discourse and right now it's all speculations and rumors this whole Cas is but some people have posted online that Kathy was a very sweet trusting almost naive to a
fault person that probably was too scared to say no to her boyfriend which I'm not sure how to feel about that because she's 23 I believe so When you're 23 maybe there's some things I'm a people Placer I have such a hard time saying no to people trust me I understand that feeling I relate to it like on a spiritual deep level but if you ask me to clean up a crime scene that's a solid no so I don't know where that argument comes in some people say that she didn't really know what she was
getting into and maybe thought that because her boyfriend was potentially Allegedly involved in some harsh illegal activities she was scared for her own life she got roped into it because she was terrified and then I see the argument that people are saying no she's 23 she was actually benefiting from her boyfriend's alleged illegal work she was constantly she wasn't afraid to spend his money going on trips getting all these gifts she was benefiting in some way and now she's cleaning up a crime scene you can't Really say that she was so scared and terrified so
it's just kind of an argument I do think that it does rub a lot of people the wrong way that she was kind of Preaching Online about having a good relationship and having boyfriends that respect and cherish you meanwhile she is accused of doing something absolutely heinous for her boyfriend I also see a third group of people a very small tiny group of people that believe if the series of events are true they Like Cathy even more now what I actually saw a lot of Reddit comments that said got to get me a ride or
die like Kathy Vu oh come on yeah which is truly unhinged if you ask me yeah this is not a movie this is not nothing to romanticize here Kathy Vu was taken into custody and she started giving her version of events she claimed the night of the Murder She had a work rated dinner planned and she actually Wanted to invite her boyfriend Polly to go with her he didn't show up instead he messaged her saying hey babe sorry I can't go like emergency happened so he couldn't be there she stated that that's all she knew
she didn't know what the emergency was she didn't know emergency was murder he just couldn't show up to her work event that's all he said now I'm not sure if she did this as a self-preservation argument or if she was still looking out for her boyfriend Polly but she told officers that James the victim in the trunk was the problem she stated that he had a history of threatening people including her own boyfriend and she said quote if anything were to have happened it would definitely have been self-defense that's what she told the police yes
after being arrested she told officers that James owed her boyfriend paully about $40,000 and when asked why she said After a Narcotics related transaction that didn't go as planned which authorities didn't believe because according to James's mom Paulie was the one who owed James money so while officers state that they had knowledge of a history between the two it seems like they are inclined to believe that paully was actually the one that owed James money and maybe theorizing this is pure speculation potentially paully had Lord James out under the guise of like I'm going to
give you your money back and instead of giving his money back he murdered him so that he could be absolved of that debt and then went to his house to ransack it and steal stuff and maybe it could even look like he was just targeted for the drugs but the plan is really not smart yeah so I just I don't see how they think they can get away with this for even a day yeah see that's the weird part I genuinely feel like if they found James's car in the trunk this is my personal opinion
if they found James's body in the trunk sooner potentially they wouldn't have been looking at a fugitive situation because like like they will catch them immedi before they flee to Vietnam right right right but even that they still caught them very quickly so so Tuesday March 21st of 2023 Kathy Vu was officially charged with tampering in the deaths of James Martin and Dana Rizal she appeared in court with the most Texan looking lawyer I have ever seen in my life like I'm talking cowboy hat and everything yes her attorney focused on getting her out on
bail he tried to draw sympathy from the judge stating that Cathy Vu had lost her job after her arrest which I don't know why he said that I don't know why certain attorneys say things like that because it's kind of a situation of read the room sir two people were killed I don't Think losing a job is the end of the world and I don't think anyone is going to dig deep into their hearts right now to find sympathy for something like that but her attorney continued to argue that Kathy had only been dating paully
for a few months and she quote only did what her boyfriend told her to do that did not sit right with a lot of nzen because ultimately she's not a minor she's a 23-year-old woman who works a corporate job wait wait I'm so sorry before you go Move forward the lawyer say she only did what the boy boyfriend told her to do yeah so is she are they admitting that she did something for the boyfriend relating to the case yes and I think the specul online right now is that she's working with the prosecutors and
is going to get out on probably no time as long as she can testify is the speculation we don't know yeah so I mean it's just kind of a weird thing to argue when she's a 23-year-old woman who has a Corporate job who lives on her own is very independent also a lot of her brand identity was on being independent and now it's like no no no she's not independent at all she was manipulated has no idea what she's doing not saying that she can't be manipulated but it's just it was a weird argument to
make in court nens and the prosecutor argued she messaged him before during and after the murders she bought the cleaning supplies and allegedly cleaned up the crime scene To make matters worse she went right back to posting Tik toks the very next day talking highly about her boyfriend about how he's a great gift giver and now yeah we don't know the next day of the crime yes now we don't know if maybe her this is like a pre-filmed Tik Tok talk but she does go back to posting Tik toks after the murder before she's arrested
about the boyfriend yes and she showed off this new Macbook that he had gifted her which You know a lot of people feel like it's her thank you for cleaning up a crime scene gift that's what a lot of people said online one thing that's really sweet about my boyfriend is that he thinks that he's a bad gifter so he always overcompensates his gifting and actually gets me really good things he saw my raggedy ass 8-year-old MacBook and replaced it for me this is my birthday present I'm so F wow yeah like wow even if
this was Pre-filmed still like this event just happened in your house last night so I see the argument that either she's incredibly heartless and if this is all true if the police theory is true and they're all found guilty she's incredibly heartless I do see the other argument of like she is trying to appear as everything is normal because maybe people would question if she suddenly stopped posting or if her content was suddenly a different a shift She was no longer talking about that she was talking about other things I don't know either way it's
very unsettling I think and it's not really even about the MacBook you know it's just the fact that people argue Kathy doesn't seem affected by anything and that is just not normal behavior for someone who allegedly was forced into doing something they didn't want to do do judge Lori Chambers ordered Cathy to wear a GPS angle monitor while released On a $40,000 Bond she is not allowed to have any communication with poly or Jaden like I said a lot of netizens were very confused about how she got off so lightly but it is speculated that
she's most likely working with the prosecutors to testify against poly and Jaden later because while Kathy was still in the US to face the legal battle herself poy and Jaden were nowhere to be found side note I do see a lot of discourse that this this is a learning moment for a lot of People there is this romanti romanticization among certain couples like the writer die couples the Bonnie and Clyde couples and sometimes that adds this romantic main character element to committing you know literal crimes like drug dealing but this is a good Learning lesson
that even if you think that your partner is your RIT or die and you could really feel that in your heart and soul you would do anything for this partner they are the Cide to your Bonnie or vice versa it might just be one-sided yeah the guy left yeah because if this is all true if Kathy did indeed clean up a crime scene for her boyfriend her boyfriend left her in the US to deal with the aftermath while he fled to Vietnam without her and he used her apartment to do the crime allegedly allegedly like
they know what's coming yeah this is not this is not Bonnie or Clyde this is Bonnie and The Fugitive who doesn't care about Bonnie if this is all true so just be careful who you think is your r or die or just be careful if you think that you'll do anything for your partner there is a chain of events though that gets triggered when Interpol sends out a red notice the first step is any of the member countries of Interpol there's 195 member countries each country can request a red notice be sent a red notice
is essentially a global international bolo be on the lookout for This fugitive On The Run interpole International police will check the to make sure that that government that country is not hunting down a refugee is not hunting down a whistleblower and once approved that red notice will be sent to authorities in 195 different countries which it sounds like you still have places to hide but not really almost every single country in the world is involved in interpole and will receive a red notice on their Desk so do they know that they went to Vietnam or
they oh they knew they used their passports oh okay so they just need to go to Vietnam exactly then each country will decide how to handle that red notice Vietnam's Interpol received a notice the United States were looking for two citizens involved in a double homicide US citizens Paulie fan and Jaden Wen now again to clarify they're both US citizens and I'm not sure if they're born citizens or have immigrated So it's unclear if they have family in Vietnam um and even if they did were they staying with family were the family helping we don't
know but we do know that the two fled to V Vietnam they're on the run and the police have no official leads they don't know if they went to Vietnam and then went on the Run Crossing Borders not using their passports here's a very interesting detail one of the two perpetrators actually applied for an emergency Passport reissue in the US like immediately after the crime and then fled to Vietnam what does that mean why is that so that I think goes again to bolster the theory that they thought that they could premeditate a murder against
James kill him get away with it but once Dana came in and the whole thing flew out of control now they're like okay has hit the fan I need to leave the country they apply for a emergency Passport to leave the country they don't have a passport maybe it was expired oh I see so that just goes to show like the train of thought they thought that they were going to get away with James's murder ited is I'm sorry what you're saying is the emergency passport meaning he wasn't planning on leaving yes this is very
last minute it's like let me get my passport renewed so I can leave right now so they didn't plan that part exactly in like 48 hours so I think That's why a lot of people believe the police theory that they premeditated James's murder thought that they were going to get away with it it flew out of control when Dana walked in on them ransacking the house but what if that murder also is not premeditated yeah that's why they didn't get the passport I don't know yeah yeah interesting right yeah now the two have fled and
they're dealing with Kim Bryant Kim Bryant is the unit manager of the fugitive Apprehension team in the Harris County DA's office she was tasked with locating poy and jayen so when this case comes onto our desk she moves it up to the top of the priority just based on the shocking nature of the crime she was told a few times by superiors and other people that have been working this unit they're like okay the suspects have fled to Vietnam most likely you might be looking at years a few years before you can get them into
the US again and Formally charged for their crimes like it's hard to find them hard it's hard there's a legal process to extradite them it's going to be messy it's going to be a long time but just truly to find them I mean it's not like they're the Most Wanted on FBI's list it's not like we can pour all of our resources into this one case it's going to be lengthy but Kim said it's not hard to be tracked in some way shape or form and right now with the time of and age Of digital
footprint and surveillance it will thankfully and hopefully always get harder and harder for criminals to go on the run and not be identified so this little cat and mouse game begins and as of right now it's not entirely clear how poy and Jaden were caught I think that this is going to come out during trial so we don't know what tactics that The Fugitive teams or potentially interpo use to catch them but there is a running theory on Tik to Only on Tik Tok okay that Vietnam like most Asian countries they've got a lot of
AAS they've got a lot of moms if you will that love to gossip so a lot of people think that there was a train of Gossip or Word of Mouth that really was the nail in the coffin caught the suspects H which would be fascinating so the locals kind of helped yeah the locals were like did you hear did you hear apparently they're in Vietnam and I'm sure that this was a huge case for Vietnamese Americans cuz think about it for korean-americans would be a huge case and then I'm sure that there would be a
lot of korean-american to Korean discourse cuz there's connections you know we have family in Korea and the conversations would keep going so June of 2023 poy fan and Jaden were caught poy was found living in Hoi Min City authorities stated that he seemed alert he seemed aware of his surroundings yes but he still tried to live a normal life Which is shocking it's crazy he would go to the gym he would go out at nights on the weekends he was actually arrested at the gym like how do you go to a gym while you're a
fugitive On The Run he should be like hiding in the room curtains closed yes wow never going outside yeah as for Jaden he was found in the countryside allegedly living with a woman and her family after telling them that he was going to marry her and get her a green card into the US which I Don't know how he thought that one was going to play out cuz sir you're a fugitive they were extradited back to Harris County July 19th and July 21st respectively they have both been charged with capital murder meaning that death penalty
is on the table so typically when you're committing a crime and then you murder someone while you're committing a crime so in the state of Texas if you're robbing someone and you end up killing them if you're having a Drug deal and you end up killing them if you're assaulting someone and you end up killing them it's automatically capital murder which is worse than just murder so just hom side a first-degree homicide you're looking at life in prison capital murder you it could be death penalty all signs point to the fact that they will be
facing potential death penalty charges both poy and Jaden have been refused bail Jaden's attorney have stated that they may be able to indict My client but they absolutely do not have enough to convict him which I understand that this is an ongoing case and that lawyers have a job to do but I just feel like again not the best statement it feels like at least from a public public perspective they have video surveillance at the crime scene from two separate crime scenes heading from one to another then you fled to Vietnam it just doesn't feel
like it's not Absolute he's saying you have absolutely no evidence I don't know if it's absolute maybe it's circumstantial You could argue that right so right now people are speculating that Kathy Vu will be throwing poy and Jaden under the table and now it seems like Jaden will be throwing pully and Kathy under the table Jaden's going to try and be like no it was all the couple I don't know what is going on the couple it's like Bonnie and Clyde masterminds and I am Just like a bystander to it that's the speculation of how
people think that it will play out in trial I'm not sure how poy will be approaching this case with this attorney I guess we will just have to wait and see how the trial goes and again just to clarify we don't know the absolute facts of this case yet we have a supposed motive we have a supposed Theory but we don't know the exact reason that two and individual's lives were cut short and exactly who was Involved in what but it has been a huge relief for the victim's families that the fugitives were caught james'
family said we are thankful that we had James walk with us for the past 37 years he's our sunshine and is now our shooting star out there in the greater Universe shaking things up God will take him in the fold of super Angels Dana's father said it's so hard to grasp that he was just visiting a friend in Houston he didn't even live there and he was Murdered Dana's stepmother emotionally stated he did nothing wrong he walked in at in the wrong door at the wrong time and it has devastated our family Dana's dad said
for 5 and 1/2 months I prayed for them to be caught every day I'd like to meet the woman that's the head of the fugitive task force next time I come to Texas so that I can shake her hand and if she'd allow me I'd buy her a stake yeah he went on to state that his son Dana was one of the better human Beings that you would ever meet he said we had a lot in common and now that's gone and he's gone and I don't know how to make up for that and that
is the very viral case of how a Tik tocker is allegedly involved in a double homicide this has been highly requested um yeah it's just everything is kind of up in the air though please let me know in the comments what are your thoughts on this case did you watch Kathy vu's Tik toks before all of this happened were you a Viewer of hers let me know and please stay safe I will see you guys on Wednesday for the main episode bye
