when you say spiritual gifts what do you mean by that yeah so when I first stumbled into this um which we can talk about later if you want when I first kind of stumbled into this I thought this was just about telepathy right and that there were these individuals and their parents and teachers were claiming they could read minds and as I start meeting more and more and more of these families and again like I said teachers it's not limited to just families um one thing that they started telling me was telepathy is the tip
of the iceberg and I didn't know what that meant you know what do you mean help with Iceberg and and it's true because I think whether or not its ability to see disease or illness in someone and be able to diagnose it before this person knows that there's something wrong reading an aura and you know saying that they can see a color around not just animals and humans but plants um uh being able to speak multiple languages even though you haven't been taught them or playing instruments and knowing music or being able to access almost
any song and having perfect pitch um being able to visit people in dreams um uh and then you mean I think some of the more just like mind-altering shocking things for me was how many non-speaking individuals have said that they are able to speak with people from the other side and yeah so so it didn't just start with telepathy or end with telepathy it's a plethora of things so do you think that this is an emerging aspect of human consciousness or do you think perhaps this is something maybe we had before we were verbal that
we've lost but that lays dormant like that we don't need it so like a muscle it atrophies yeah I think that's exactly right I mean I think we all have these abilities I think this is all part of us and in the telepathy tapes in episode 5 in particular we get into animal communication through telepathy uh and a story of elephants that knew when someone who was like in charge of their Big Game Preserve had died and they'd walk days to his house and did kind stay there for grieving and then would come back every
year on the day of his death I mean just unbelievably beautiful stuff rert sheldrake has talked um at has written at length a brilliant Cambridge biologist about uh dogs experiments he's done that kind of show the dogs know when their owners are coming home and sometimes cats so so this seems to be part and parcel of the Animal Kingdom right and many of us have had that experience of phone telepathy where oh just thinking of someone and they call people like to dismiss that as being just coincidence but I just why do people want to
dismiss everything like that's the problem it's like I think I think their the real fear is being fool that's the fear which is why the problem with any sort of telepathy or any sort of psychic ability the problem is there's so many charlatans and so many people get duped and it's really common I mean it's it's so common it's it's everywhere you you see these psychic palm reading signs everywhere you go and because of that it's in the realm forever of nonsense and if you believe in nonsense you're not a person to be taken seriously
so if you're a scientist and you're studying human neurochemistry and you're studying Neuroscience there's no way you're you're going to support this unless it's just beating you over the head with overwhelming evidence and then perhaps you say maybe there's something here I think that's changing actually and one of the things that we look at in the tapes in episode six which we call our Science episode is this idea of materialism which I'm sure you've heard of you know this idea that at least for the past few hundred years that that the reigning philosophy around how
we interpret the world is is it's only true if we can measure it and observe it right and and that makes you seem foolish if you believe in something that can't be measured or observed like a s phenomenon like telepathy or precognition or or dreams being able to communicate with someone or and that stuff would be thrown out as being silly and I think there's been a massive effort to make that true right that that if you believe this or you're a scientist and you want to publish this we're going to um dismiss you or
ridicule you just for even daring to ask that question research about this type of stuff has been dismissed because it's materialist you know scientists who for a long time run run the journals sure but but there is something interesting here which is that Consciousness we don't know where it comes from you know and so so what you know a brilliant scientist Dean Raiden talks about in the telepathy tapes is that if you think of materialism as a pyramid right and the base of the pyramid and all the things that have built up our world which
are biology and physics and chemistry and all those things those have rules and properties and we shouldn't throw those out those are pretty much true but currently at the top of the pyramid is consciousness and we can't explain where that comes from and why it's there but if you just take Consciousness from the top and put it on the bottom so that Consciousness is the basis of of all reality right that Consciousness is fun Al that all of everything is the is a product of our thoughts first then then we can account for all this
stuff then we can account for precognition or telepathy and it's not that big of a change it's just flipping kind of the order of the pyramid and I think that makes a lot of sense and so there's been a lot of scientists who have have looked into near-death experience research who've looked into the research on telepathy who've looked into the research around um precognition and said we can't dismiss this this is happening there's a lot of anecdotal evidence here there's a lot of things that add up so we're going to start the Academy of postmaterialist
Sciences where we will take this stuff seriously and we will look at the research and we will advance science and and I tend to believe that there needs to be a bit of there needs to be quite a few funerals but I think in like 50 to 100 years um the scientists that were were gripping on to the materialist Paradigm yeah I really believe that that's going to be kind of like the flat earthers in the future like I think the scientists doing this are in the right side of History because we have to account
for it we don't exactly know where it comes from and there's a lot of people that think that the universe is formed through Consciousness yeah which is this is Thomas Campbell's take on things I familiar with him yeah he was a mind Bender when I had him in here I was like what are you saying exactly like you have to like listen to it three or four times then you have to I told them listen let's stop here we'll do it again cuz I'm going to have to absorb this yeah but the concept is that
essentially the universe is formulated through Consciousness in some way and that we we're interacting with it through Consciousness yeah and that it's not as real as we want to believe it is yeah I mean and even if you're just basic it down right like this room what came first the room or the thought of the room everything in this room was a thought first right everything right everything everything on our planet was a thought first well everything that we for the planet itself yeah I've always said that that I think that ideas might be a
life form that they get into people's heads and then people manufacture physical objects out of these ideas whether it's art and I think that's one of the reasons why we like art so much yeah I mean that that's how this whole podcast started I think for me sure you know e
