"We've DISCOVERED Time Travel but it's NOT what you think" Ashton Forbes | Redacted w Clayton Morris

Is our deep State sitting on free energy the idea that we could travel instantaneously to different parts of the world for free could we heat our homes run all of our devices on free energy well that's been the subject of what our next guest has been focused on for quite a quite a while now not only his investigations Into The Disappearance of MH370 which has led him I think to uncover this one of the most Remarkable stories of our time the idea of etheric energy free energy for all of us that's been kept secret uh

my guest is Ashton Forbes he's an investigator he's a physicist and he's been on this story from the very beginning and uh and I want to welcome Ashton back to the show Ashton I think our last interview that we did here on the show has millions of views at this point and you've got quite a few new pieces of the missing MH370 Aircraft um along with aliens we're going to talk about drones we've got a lot of ground to cover today so welcome back to the show thanks Clayton uh thank you for having me your

audience is awesome I loved getting all the feedback and I'm so glad that this information this science is starting to get more and more mainstream absolutely and I think you know it all started with MH370 and we'll get into the free energy piece of this But I have to ask you given all of the news since right after the election of course weeks and weeks and weeks of drone activity I've been calling them UFOs because they are unidentified you know they immediately started calling them drones right out of the gate like that was what the

media was saying I was a little skeptical of that nomenclature uh but now we're hearing all sorts of reports about missing nuclear material U missing radioactive Material why are these things flying at night if they're drones that you can't see they're maybe looking for radioactive material that's G missing is this a giant false flag is something bigger Happening Here our elected leaders don't seem to have any answers at all about this shoot them down don't shoot them down yet we spend a trillion dollars a year on a defense budget and we know what these are

so just let's at a high level I want to get your Assessment of what you think these things are and when you started seeing all of this come together what did you make of it yeah and just like you just said uh we found as part of the MH370 investigation we looked into the the surveillance capabilities especially the satellite capabilities of the intelligence community so we know that we've got full motion video coverage of the entire planet this was actually Admitted to in the UFO hearing just a month ago by both Michael shellenberger and Tim

gadet so we know what these drones are maybe the FBI doesn't know because they don't they don't have access to that information but the nro the CIA the NSA the NGA these organizations know exactly what these drones are so the question is why are they lying to us about them and I also think that drones has become the code word for UFOs now as well which should Make us wonder what are these things fly is there even somebody inside of some of these UFOs that we're seeing is that even a requirement uh the theory that

I kind of like the best um and also I just want to point out that Congress is apparently getting a classified briefing about these drones that are flying around as well so if there was nothing there why why would they be getting a classified briefing about it and some of the some Of the sightings have indicated they they are trans medium that they might be coming out of the water in other cases they've been saying that they have no they're not giving off any signals or any frequencies which I'm not really sure what that means

but these could be some of the observables that we see in UFOs now the flip side of it is there is mass hysteria going on right now and we've reached the point now where this is like it's a self-perpetuating thing Where people are now just misidentifying planes and other stuff and they're claiming that they are you know these UFOs or or drones when they're probably aren't so there's a lot of mud in the water that's making it very difficult to sift through the only way we could really get forward on an answer is if we

were to get highquality like military or intelligence grade like infrared footage of of one of these things where we could actually analyze it and I think the Likelihood of that is Slim my personal theory that I like uh that Clint Russell and I were talking about just a couple days ago was this idea that like what if these are some type of defense mechanism like a a mesh Network like a fence essentially that is set up ready to intercept some type of hypersonic weapon either coming from outer space or coming from like a submarine off

the coast or somewhere else where seconds matter and even the deployment time would make it Less likely that you'd be able to intercept an incoming ICBM or something like that um that would actually make sense in terms of why the local governments have no idea what's going on and it would make sense in terms of why a federal government would not be able to speak about it and potentially do a classified briefing but I there's a lot of theories that are plausible out there that just happens to be the one that I like the best

at at the moment yeah the Other piece and as we talked about before is this idea of a false flag and perhaps there's some sort of nuclear material that they're they're trying to warn us and scare us about about this sort of radioactive material that wound up missing from this cargo container coming into New Jersey um other drone operators saying there's no reason for these things to be operating at night because they can't see at night unless they're using some sort of radioactive Sensor technology so you know it's it's it's deeply troubling it's deeply troubling

that we don't have answers um but we know and I agree with you that they know about this they absolutely know uh they're just people at a low pay grade that probably don't know about this precisely yeah and uh you know with respect to the scanning abilities if they had like infrared or thermal great I think that what we're dealing with Here though is we can rule out commercial like lowquality cheap drones these aren't hobby drones that you know they only have 20 to 30 minutes of loiter time uh to kind of shift this into

the UFO topic as well one of the things that people have been saying about these is these things have been hovering there for hours and the question that I think everybody should be asking in the UFO Community with with respect to flying saucers UFOs whatever It is is if you see something hovering for hours our UFO our Flying Saucer what is the energy source of this how is this thing floating if you think about a conventional drone gas is really exp or really heavy that's the big problem is the weight so if you want something

that's going be able to stay up there for a really long time it needs a lot of fuel in it but that's really heavy and so you get to a point where if you're Getting over even like 30 minutes of loiter time now you need to have a battery it's the only efficient way do it but batteries are also really heavy as well if we have the capability to have craft that can just defy gravity for a day straight or potentially achieve these Hypersonic speeds which would use this huge amount of energy without Rockets where

is that energy coming from logically that energy must be coming from the environment some Other exotic fuel source that we don't currently understand at the moment which is what Nicola Tesla had CED right it's the idea of etheric energy and this is a story you've been covering now extensively since your research Into The Disappearance of MH370 this idea that we that the Deep State the government uh the military industrial complex these uh these uh these defense contractor companies have been reverse engineering these craft These downed UFOs using this this technology that they're pulling from the

environment right so can you maybe Explain how and why you think that we have this technology Nicola Tesla was right and the government is keeping it from us yeah and to do that I'm going to rewind back to the MH370 case for a moment now a lot of what I've been doing has been strategic when you look at something like the MH370 videos you Realize there's no way in heck they can ever admit to this like this is just so far out there this part of the reason why no one can really believe it to

be real it requires technology that is before we go more deeply into that why don't you just explain if if someone doesn't even know about the MH370 story maybe you can just set the stage here and explain and we'll show these videos of The Disappearance of The Craft and what you believe actually happened with These orbs that are swirling around MH370 yeah the plane disappeared 10 years ago and these videos emerged just weeks after the plane disappeared the most powerful clue is that the person that uploaded them which was a random no-name account with just

like a hundred follow subscribers on YouTube said that the video the first video the satellite video was received March 12th 2014 that's 4 days after the plane disappeared this was before we even had A narrative of the plane going into the South Indian Ocean keep in mind this plane's never been found even 10 years later now so if somebody was hoaxing videos like this how would they know we would never find the plane this these videos show the plane literally being surrounded by three orbs in a perfect triangle formation it looks unnatural on like the

way that they spin around the plane in this perfect orientation which to me screams AI or some type of quantum Computer and then they Converge on the plane you see a flash emerge that illuminates the surroundings in three dimensions which is extremely difficult to produce with visual effects even today and then the plane is just gone gone in an instant in 02 seconds the plane is no longer there anymore I believe that this was sixth generational Warfare fair this is a message to China from the United States government saying don't mess with us we've got

technology That is light years ahead of where conventional Weaponry exists today I think they did it because of the engineers that were on board those freescale semiconductor Engineers people are probably familiar with the other conspiracy theory around them being patent holders that Conspiracy Theory actually is not true those people W the people in that one related to the Roth trials were not on the plane however there were 20 Engineers that Were very important people on this plane eight of them were Chinese Nationals they were going to China they worked for a US company that's connected

to us Aerospace and defense so I think that we literally have teleportation capability a wormhole that we can zap an object from one point on Earth to another I don't know that it was Advanced enough in 2014 that you could zap somebody to the moon or to Alphas sentari or something like that but that would be Like the next level of of taking this technology where do you think but before we move on to the etheric energy piece of this where do you think that plane is now I think that that plane was disassembled at

Diego Garcia I think that it did I think that they Zapped a plane from the nicobar islands West towards the malds and then it either landed and they got rid of the people or they flew it from wherever it showed up South to Diego Garcia it end up getting Seen by about 15 Islanders uh on a small island north of Diego Garcia in early morning hours and the debris that was found that everybody always says well what about the debris The debris proves it a crash doesn't actually the debris is a very small amount of

debris and I actually think that was from MH370 the problem is that debris shows up in Africa which is 2,000 to 3,000 miles away from the search Zone the reason why no one was looking in Africa Is because it's impossible for the debris to have drifted there from the location with say that the plane craft where by the way we found nothing so if you believe that that debris is from MH370 then the plane did not crash in the South Indian Ocean it's not those are two incompatible ideas so I think that possibly if you

look at the ocean currents uh and map it compared to where the debris was found Diego Garcia is the perfect location for that debris to have Gotten into the water and any sort of updates on that again before we move on to the etheric energy piece since our last interview are there any any major sort of New Revelations in the few years since we've spoken about it yeah yeah and there are some major ones first I want to talk about a o you know all about them the all domain anomaly resolution office I submitted the

case to them everybody gets on my Back about why are you trust the government to do all this well I'm like you've got to go through the official channels and who knows maybe we can trap them into admitting the truth I think we might be able to now in April they stopped responding to me entirely I didn't get a response back until November last month when I called when I looked up the person because I was trying to figure out if I had been scammed or something they just ghosted Me and stopped responding people were

saying oh he he wouldn't really talk to the Aro so I found the guy's name who who I had and I looked him up and oh they are 100% legit like they've worked in the Pentagon for for many years they apparently rotated out of their position at AO and rotated back in which is interesting apparently that's how AO operates they're investigators they're like military people that come in and come out my sources telling me they do That to make sure that nothing ever gets done because that way there's only people aren't there's no continuity for

the investigators within the AO okay side the point um I spoke to them after I was going to expose them and and point out who they are and how AO is ghosting me and long story short they told me they should have the capability to look into our satellite systems and to look into our drone capabilities because all I need to prove These videos are real is that if that's really the space-based infrared system we're seeing in that satellite video it says nr22 in the bottom left that's the first launch of the space-based infrared system

now the space based infrared system broke off or they had a splinter that's called the SAT the space tracking and surveillance system which is called used to be called cbers Low and then what they did was they took the low earth orbit satellites and they put them In this separate system and that stss system is for tracking the missiles as they are after they've been launched as opposed to the cber system which is like once the heat signature of the Rocket taking off is detected then that gives an information to these other systems to continue

tracking it so I said look into these systems if you find out that's one of those systems the videos are real no random kid Bor hoaxer knew about our spy satellite systems we still don't know About them and they said they should be able to look in the Drone video as well and they were kind of obusca about that they hadn't really accomplished anything yet and then the last bit was Edward C Linn I said I gave you guys the name the guy that leaked the videos Edward seen anyone who looks up his case it

checks all the boxes it's got to be this guy the date range the fact that his lawyer said that the classified information and questions available on the internet I'm Like just find Edward cinn just figure out what it is that he leaked if it's those videos it's all over we get full disclosure from this now I'm hoping I hear back from them they they gave me assurances that MH370 will be submitted in the official a record I don't know when it's going to happen but eventually it will and this is important because the aros's out

here saying no we've identified all this stuff all these UFO cases that we get they're all prosaic That's a bird a balloon it's Parallax blah blah this is one they're not going to be able to debunk and if they can't debunk this one the UFO Community is going to go crazy because they've been debunking everything that the UFO Community says is legit and for them to not be able to debunk this one which most of the UFO Community really does not like that m270 case it'll be quite entertaining now now the other huge two other

huge uh breakthroughs were we Slowed down and I'll send this video to you so you can superimpose it here the satellite video and found that one of the orbs passes through the smoke behind the plane so it shows accurate fluid dynamics when it does this just as if there was a bunch of smoke in front of me and I ran through the smoke and you would see like the smoke kind of come off in like a silhouette around me it looks just like that in slow-mo we only noticed it because we changed uh the Color

channels in the video which allows you to see some of the more small details more clearly and then if you look back at the original video yes you can see it it's very faint but it's there which is a really obscure detail for somebody to add by the way no hoaxer has ever come forward with any evidence that they made the videos now I also spoke I got a message on my YouTube channel just a few weeks ago from somebody who claimed to have worked on The cber system the space based infared system in the

late 90s when it was first being set up I reached out to them I said I have to talk to you I have to confirm your identity blah blah blah I confirmed their identity they told me basically all the companies they ever worked at they gave me the whole story they had initially had an unclassified job related to setting up the network connectivity of the cber system they knew that was the cber System based on the fact that they were the one that was uh setting up these data upload and download links because what I've

been saying too is that these satellites are beaming information for one another and then to groundbased computers and they explained as well how they were able to increase the bandwidth basically the data down uh download rate or upload rate uh from those satellites by combining together like eight different uh feeds uh and I don't I Don't know much about how all that works but ultimately this was The Big Break takeaway was that they said they were 100% sure what we were looking at was the cber system based on that and they had also had a

classified job as well setting up satellites and their connectivity to weapon systems uh that they were not allowed to talk to me about I gave that person's name to the AR as well so confirming that that video the MH370 video is in fact a cbers Video yeah or maybe the stss since that was a breakaway because these people he was working on it in the late 90s and it probably started to really be deployed like in the early 2000s so they may have made some small changes but yes confirming that that's a real cers video

and I've had Anonymous people tell me stuff like I work on those cameras on the Drone stuff and say that you know the that looks like a real drone camera anyone that's skeptical watch the uh Thermal drone video and look at it from the perspective of you being the operator the person with the joy stick controlling that camera and you'll realize quite quickly that that's a real person controlling a camera watching a real airplane as hard as it is to believe right now to yeah the science so Bob Greener back in November of last year

he is probably one of the world's leading experts at low energy Nuclear reactions which is what cold fusion rebranded into in the 90s after it got heavily discredited by the government as a quick side note I want to point out something that not a lot of people know pwns and fleshman in 1989 made their announcement for cold fusion there were 60 replications of their experiment 60 the doe created a tribunal the department of energy created a tribunal and they went to all these sites that Were reporting positive Recreation results and they debunked them and they

made them retract their papers one at a time it's actually unbelievable how much we suppressed cold fusion and the world has no idea about it and this isn't to say that ponds and fleshman that their method was the only way to do cold fusion or even that they were doing it correctly the point being the department of energy did not want us looking into this and Bob greener in November before I even met him he did a video about the MH370 videos and the reason why he was doing that is because he noticed that those

orbs are balls of plasma consistent with cold fusion or cold plasma it's not hot Fusion it's not the it's not the temperature of the sun it's a much lower energy level and he knew because he could see the heat signature in the orb is consistent with this Vortex that's being produced to create stability in this ball of Plasma this would kind of imply that these are warmer than the environment and for that to happen one might expect that if they didn't have their own energy source they must be extracting the energy from the environment that

the Exotic vacuum objects will fire a thing or it has some sort of projected field out in front of it that will cause other EXO exotic vacuum objects to orbit around them so there is something that goes out in front I believe that this is The toal moment the beam that goes out far faster in front of it to me that's one of the hugest corroborations of the videoos How could somebody know to fake that and the last bit is salvator pis people have to realize this guy is 100% legit his patents are legit he

has a magnetically confined plasma fusion reaction patent that was approved under the US Navy I've been speaking to him if you go back and watch the interviews he's been talking about cold plasmas Cold plasma is the secret to achieving the energy densities required to create a wormhole this is not science fiction this is science fact it's known all the science is publicly available it's out there his P effect that he calls the P effect is literally the swinger limit which is putting so much electromagnetic energy into a region of SpaceTime that it breaks through the

fabric of reality that's the swinger effect the swinger limit and that's also the Salvatore pise Effect he said in my last interview just a couple weeks ago with him that when he first saw that video the Drone video with the orbs going around it he said I knew what was about to happen and I'm going wow you knew that there was about to be a wormhole cuz when I first watched that video I'm going what am I what am I looking at here Sal saww and he said they're building up nonionized radiation when they're spinning

around the plane and he says I knew what was Going to happen that's the P effect right there in that video oh man when I saw those orbs I saw this thing this one orb just start exactly what it's doing now just start to go around this thing and all of a sudden it started join another one and then another one and I said oh my God they're forming a bubble of non-ionizing radiation around this thing there's no way there's no way what's about to happen I anticipated do you understand I knew before that black

Hole happened let's call it a black hole that was gonna happen beforehand just watch I knew that would happen I knew that would happen that's why when I said I said this is it this is the P effect so they're spinning around the plane and then we see that the flash of that wormhole and that's where the plane disappears and the reason why we're seeing the flash is because of the schwinger effect when you hit the swinger limit real photons get pulled Right out of the ether right out of the vacuum right out of the

Zero Point Energy field there's this energy all around us and we think this happens at the edge of black holes as well and that edge of black holes we're seeing this Dynamic Casmir effect where the swinger limits being breached we're hitting the ceiling on our reality and when you break through that light comes out and so we see that in the satellite video of the light shooting out like that and This those videos are going to prove that Zero Point Energy is real this etheric energy I like to call it the ether because that's what

you know Tesla Maxwell all these Legends called it uh it's probably not exactly the way they described it it's more of a super fluid medium that is all around us all the time in a fifth dimension that's like infolded at at the quantum level that we don't quite see but that energy is there and we know experimentally it is there This is what a lot of people don't realize so the people that are going to say that this is pseudo science I already know all their arguments first thing they're going to say is well uh

Zero Point Energy is there but it's not a significant amount of energy and for those people I would say well you need to go look at Richard Fineman of the Manhattan Project uh Nobel Prize winner in 1965 for quantum electrodynamics who did he win the Nobel Prize with in 1965 Julian schwinger the guy of the schwinger limit uh Richard feeman said there's enough energy in empty space of like the size of this coffee cup to vaporize all the Earth's oceans what that's essentially saying is at the quantum mechanical level nothing is stopped what that means

is this Zero Point Energy is not a tiny little amount of Zer Point Energy it's a mass amount it's practically an unlimited amount and Just because we don't actively see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist the lamb shift he lamb won a Nobel prize for the lamb shift uh Casmir effect that Casmir effect was in 1948 Aronoff bom effect these these examples show that there there is some field out there and that space itself is not actually an empty vacuum so the the commercial applications so pise gets this patented through or along with alongside the

US Navy um is this a Secret patent what is he saying about sort of the commercial applications and I guess this is where we think so the United States military has access to this these sort of off the books programs using it would seem craft or some other vehicles they've been able to tap in and use this um that members of Congress have no idea about or even the president of the United States has no idea about does that seem seem right so boy that's a loaded question I Would say I asked him why these

patents are even allowed out there yeah why would these be allowed uh the conclusion I've reached is that China and Russia know it's legit and they're working on it and maybe they've already got it figured out as well so once you've reached that point why hide it anymore you might as well have it become public in fact it becomes awkward if Russia or China make the announcements but you've already had it figured out for a really Long time so the patents could be a matter of plausible deniability so that when the science does come out

they can say we didn't lie to you we had all these open patents why we had these five patents here for you you know there they are you know we weren't lying about this crazy advanced technology that's out there um the presidents I do think have been made informed about this this goes back to your interview you did with Tucker Carlson um in fact by the way Salvador p has told me that if Tucker Carlson were to invite me on or Joe Rogan that he would come on with me even though he's not even really

allowed to do a lot of interviews but it seems like he would just be willing to take the risk in that situation so if either of those guys are listening s has said that he wants to do that um presidents realize the implications of this which I want to talk to you a little bit later are are Just beyond what most people can comprehend like the idea of there being this unlimited energy source that's out there uh there are National Security issues related to it weaponization uh issues doomsday technology and weapons that can be produced

the socio economic impact to the our way of life like what even is capitalism if we have no scarcity anymore um so you look at from that perspective and the issue is so much bigger than what I think a lot of People understand and it's certainly much bigger than what the majority of the UFO Community is expecting the UFO Community just wants Little Green Men We want to tell us that we're not alone in the universe to me that was something I dealt with in the 90s I'm it's 2024 now now I'm like how do

we change our civilization yeah right I love when you said that like no we're past it yeah I mean I think we've all we've all got that part of it now we've figured that Out we have the craft we we know the bodies all of that piece of it now I'm with you on this like free energy that could transform our world I mean think about people who are in cold homes right now freezing or just even in war torn areas and to be able to have aetheric energy something in your own home that is

pulling from the environment that heats your home Powers your devices and uh you know and and to know that we so what you're saying is we have this Technology like we have access to it now but it's being kept from us and being hidden from us yeah the defense contractors are probably the ones that are Gaye keeping it the most uh you could also have energy companies that are involved as well some of my sources have told me there's companies like in Europe for example that are literally pulling hydrogen Conjuring hydrogen Straight Out of The

Ether so literally elements Not Just Energy as well and Bob Greener extensively talks about the transmutation capabilities of these plasmas as well so we're actually talking about Star Trek replicators are in our future now maybe that's a 100 thousand years down the road but the base form of it the plasma that enables all of it that is we're staring at it's like the discovery of fire it's always been there we just haven't known where to look for it to the point of heating things these actually also cool things As well because you have to look

at it that the Universe we're in an equilibrium of energy okay so what we think of as absolute zero is not the bottom there's more to go the only question is how much of that energy is there and that's the big argument the vacuum catastrophe is there is there really this huge amount of energy under there but if there is and we can tap into it then we're actually reducing the temperature if we pull energy out of a Local region what I would expect to happen is in that region it's going to get colder when

you look at the MH370 drone video the zap is black it's cold and that's the reason is this is a negative energy negative entropy type event now that's very taboo a lot of physicists will probably come at me for that but the key being that we don't we don't feel that energy below zero because we're in the equilibrium just like if I'm in my bathtub and it feels Like the water is cooling down it's because my body temperature is equalizing with the water temperature that's the same thing that is essential or an analogy to what's

happening in our universe out there the next thing people will say is well okay there's this energy out there maybe it's a big amount of energy but there's no way to extract it and that just makes me laugh this there was actually people like back in the 70s that would say that there's no Way to use solar power and get energy out of it there's no way to use wind power and get energy out because you'd be breaking the laws of thermodynamics and right away people realize like no you're not breaking the laws of thermodynamics

you're adding an extra input the wind the Sun so this you can get a device a a windmill or a a solar panel that can produce more energy out than what's locally what you're injecting into it this is the same Concept as Zero Point Energy Zero Point Energy and free energy free energy is a bit of misnomer but it's a great name it doesn't mean that we're producing something directly from nothing it means that we're tapping in to this Zero Point Energy this quantum mechanical energy that's out there and Robert forward in 1984 with his

paper showed that you could use this pressure of the Casmir effect where they take two plates put them together very close and they just Come together naturally automatically just come together and what's happening is the area between these plates is pushing out the Zero Point Energy certain wave LS of Zer Point Energy can't fit between the plates and what happens then you have more pressure on the outside than you have on the inside comes together it's a reverse or a negative pressure that you're feeling uh and he showed that from this action that you could

charge a battery And doing that basically proves that we can tap in to the zero point of course it's a crude example but it's a thought experiment that shows people yes it can be tapped into well that was what I was going to ask you know what are the kind of Technologies or materials uh that you would be required to make to use right now to kind of make Zero Point Energy viable to the masses like you can do this maybe in a laboratory or maybe these defense Contractors have access to this already and they're

using it on at scale but we don't know about it so what sort of materials and you know uh and Technologies would we need to kind of put all this together to make it iable maybe commercially yeah it's another great question and I I want to answer all the questions everybody's thinking so okay in terms of what types of devices I think could are the easiest ways to Extract Zero Point Energy that I've looked into right now first one's magnetic motor so magnetic motors can produce overunity because a magnetic motor once you realize that there's

this energy that's out there and it's electromagnetic in nature um then what a magnetic motor is doing is churning up The Ether it's churning up The Ether imagine you have some kind of a water mill or whatever and it's pulling the water up from there and you're trying to Pull as much of that energy as you're kind of churning it up you're trying to grab as much of that energy as you can grab that's essentially what a magnetic motor is doing and the way that it achieves the grabbing of the energy is through resonance so

a lot of this has to do with frequency and resonance because this Zero Point Energy is constantly jiggling back and forth and so you want to try to tap into some type of resonant frequency that can interact With that Zero Point Energy very strongly so magnic motor can do it and a lot of these guys that were Billy magnetic motors free energy devices I think that some of them were working for sure and that was stuff back in like the 70s 80s Joseph Newman John Cel John Hutchinson uh bendini uh Tom Bearden all these guys

they all get discredited because everybody didn't realize that there's this energy we can tap into to me that's An archaic way of doing it at this point and probably relatively inefficient it's still magic because having a magnetic motor would be pretty cool in your house we don't use that much energy but the cooler ways to do it the ways that we're doing it now microchips there's a patent called Casmir cavities uh by Garrett modal and Bernard H Bernard H was a locking Martin engineer modal is professor idus at uh University of Colorado and the way

that they do it is they basically say let's look at it from the atomic level so if I've got my atom and I've got this electron orbital just kind of like a Earth spinning around the Sun I'm going to squeeze it and pull a little bit of energy out of it by changing that orbital and then I'm going to have it go into an empty cavity just an empty region of space and it's going to gain back that energy from the Zero Point Energy field basically like being On a trampoline so I jump on my

trampoline I jump high in the air trampoline resets I hit the trampoline again and I bounce up again same same concept except for from the quantum mechanical level uh you know we doing this at the very tiniest scales so what they do is they're basically just saying what would it take to pull that off oh I need a semiconductor and then I need an insulator and then another semiconductor and what this allows is for this Quantum Tunneling effect to occur where you have a barrier and the energy level normally wouldn't be able to get over

the barrier and it would just hit like this but quantum mechanics says it just Quantum tunnels right through the barrier and that's the kind of device that they've built and then they have a cavity and they just repeat that so you could take a very simple idea like that where we're now looking at what's the most fundamental way to engineer this and you Put it onto a tiny microchip smaller than the tip of my nail here and you make it extremely small and the reason why you do this is that that Casmir effect I was

just explaining to you it gets exponentially more powerful the smaller you get the closer the plates get to one another in fact the Casmir effect is so powerful that when people are making microchips they have to be careful about any two metal surfaces coming close to one another because They'll just stick together and there's no they're so small there's no way to pull them back apart again so this would be to me that's the coolest way like I'm literally going to steal that patent when it expires in two years because can you imagine a microchip

where you just put it in your phone and the phone never stops you know permanent battery like incredible so those are the first two ways and actually go ahead if you want to give comment on that one cuz it's Yeah no I mean it almost pictures like the little uh the little monkey you know with the tambourine like back and forth like that's kind of like that's how I'm picturing it in my brain my monkey brain another thing just comes to mind as you're talking about these patents and and this application of it it's like

where does Elon Musk fit into this I mean here's a guy with SpaceX and he's been kind of really quiet on this whole drone thing and it's like I know he's Got these like government contracts and so my brain immediately wonders like he's got to be aware of this does why is he involved in this somehow and have some sort of secret you know involvement here I mean with with SpaceX and everything else he's been developing with uh with satellites and and uh and and you know and and and Tesla driving cars and self-driving cars

and everything else I mean he's got to that he's got Tesla is his company and Tesla Is the guy that figured out alternating current the power we still use today he was the one saying that radi energy free energy was real before quantum mechanics was even a thing and so you're like how does and he's got a rocket company he's talking about wanting to make us Interstellar species and I'm sitting here going the here's all the answers how can he not know how can he not know he's got to and he's like the I think

the biggest defense contractor he's got All these uh top secret contracts for shooting spy satellites in outer space now SpaceX is what's shooting all these spy satellites into orbit I don't think he's legally allowed to comment on the MH370 uh satellite video because of that it's so weird that he never made any comments about it and the Drone stuff like you said he's not really commenting on it does make you wonder and I have it on pretty good authority I mean I've literally seen pictures of Black Project Engineers like with politicians where you're like okay

these people know because the Black Project Engineers that I'm seeing in the pictures know about this stuff so you so what you realize is there is this Elite group of people usually rich people sometimes politicians anyone connected to these Engineers that have access to this level of Technology now how much do they know how much are they allowed to to push that's a different story my guess is That elon's got ndas that prevent him from speaking on a lot of this stuff that's out there but even if it is real it doesn't hurt him because

the moment it becomes accepted mainstream his company has the money and the resources to immediately start working on it so even if he's working on Obsolete Rock technology he could the moment that it's accepted that oh no we have this electrogravitic capability he can immediately just shift gears and it's Not going to miss a beat you know um right so the last one and this is the one that affects propulsion is plasma plasma this is the thing that man if even when we were talking a year ago I really had no idea what what that

plasma was really going to be the The Missing Link in the whole UFO topic it's possible that plasma itself is some sort of fundamental discovery of the universe just like fire where all of our Rockets explosion combustion everything's based On fire but now you look at plasma and plasma has these natural incredible properties including the biggest one is that it can hold charge density higher than any material that we know of today now metam materials at some point in the future might be able to improve and get and achieve this but if you were to

pack the amount of energy that we can get into a plasma into any circuit tree that we have out there it would melt the wires and that's the main limitation on That it was Ken shoulders in the late 1980s who realized that these plasmas uh he called them exotic vacuum objects because he believed they were cohering energy from the vacuum from The Ether he realized they have these self-organizing property where it will become naturally a sphere and there's a funny comment that s was telling me in my interview where he said I forget the guy's

name hope somebody out there probably know and put In the comments but that they were talking about this hot Fusion these tokomak reactors that we have everywhere and he was kind of throwing shade at it saying I've never seen a star in the shape of a dut before and you kind of laugh and you go yeah in outer space all the stars are plasma but they're always spherical why are we building all our reac in the shape of donuts and we do that because that's a way to focus the electromagnetic field so that the Electromagnetic

field will be like in the center of the donut but is that what the the shape that the plasma will ultimately form no I think it's going to form a sphere and then he realized not only is a cohering energy from the vacuum the reason why he thought it was doing that was because they were their longevity it would stay even though you stopped applying energy to it it didn't dissipate it would stay there and he realized he explains this he has A book called like the path to evos and in this book he describ

he says that in 1980 he read a paper by a guy named Bergstrom the paper is from 1973 and in that paper he realized that the ether is actually real so what is he saying there he's saying the same thing that I was just telling you guys is that he realized in 1980 there is this energy that's out there and if space isn't actually empty and space itself is a medium then we can manipulate the medium And the plasma is doing that the Plasma's actually changing the properties of the medium itself so when people talk

you about metam materials the reason why they say you need metam materials is because they don't think we can modify SpaceTime they don't think we can change the refractive index of SpaceTime the permitivity of SpaceTime if you change the permitivity of a material you change the speed of light through the material just like when People show the image of a refractive index where you have like a cup of water and they put a stick in there and you can see it kind of Bend this is why we think we need meta materials to produce UFOs

and anti-gravity but if you can actually do that to SpaceTime itself where now you create a bubble in SpaceTime now you've got a situation where you can have anti-gravity you can have a huge amount of charge density where this is Basically becomes an infinite battery and you have the charge density require the charge density that can be achieved in this bubble of plasma energy is so high that you're now starting to approach what s p would say is that the P effect the Sher limit that's out there so last thing I want to say and

this and let you jump in is that people need to say the name Hal POF way way way more often he should have won a Nobel Prize I have it on extremely good authority that He's willing to go to his grave uh knowing that he'll never win the Nobel Prize even though he deserves it because he's never going to violate his ndas he's never going going to um you know expose the defense contractors that he's worked for he knows about all this stuff so-called empty space isn't really empty at all it's actually full of energy

so instead of being like kind of a quiet empty Lake it's more like the froth at the base of a waterfall or something and This energy is basically electromagnetic in nature and uh the energy density is uh quite high in fact it's so high that when it was first discovered mathematically it was thought to be some kind of artifact of the mathematics but then as time went on there were even Nobel prize winning experiments that showed that this energy and so-called empty space was really there Ken shoulder's partner was Hal Poff they both worked at

SRI Stanford Research Institute they were Partners when they were working on this exotic vacuum object technology in the late 80s their fin n Seer was a guy named Bill Church of Church's Chicken the CEO if you can believe it and in the so this is when how POF started writing all his scientific papers about Zero Point Energy at the exact same time so how Poff realized there was an ether he started writing his papers on Zero Point Energy Zero Point Energy explains Gravity as a pressure force and in the early 90s from Lynn mctags book

called The Field she explains that the Pentagon rank they called there it was really cold fusion was what they were producing they called it condensed charge uh charge research they gave it this kind of code name and the Pentagon ranked it as number three highest priorities for research and then the next year they upgraded that to to number two so this was all based on this plasma technology And in 1992 a scientist named Jack nechamkin for the Air Force wrote a scientific paper called Force free time harmonic plasmoids so if you hear the word plasmoids

uh you hear the word evos exotic vacuum objects um ball lightning these are all synonyms for the exact same thing and Jack n champkin basically said that we can us in a Vortex you can stabilize the ball of plasma and what will happen is it'll create a Non-radiating barrier a bubble a bubble around it by manipulating the pointing Vector so uh and I won't go too much into this science but if you make your electric and magnetic uh Fields parallel when normally they should be perpendicular like this then you change your pointing Vector to zero

and in that situation now the energy is not propagating in any specific Vector Direction and so instead what do you create a bubble and this bubble can then Be stabilized and from there now you've got a stable bubble that energy is not radiating out of it and you can potentially use that to extract energy it can float around freely oh and then I do have to say one last thing as well so we've now tied Ken's shoulders Hal P off to the government to the this Research into these evos and uh these these can become

drones these can actually become drones because how PUD off's patent he only has Really one significant patent that's out there called communication system and it is a uh field free meaning no electromagnetic uh field communication system he calls it quantum communication system which is just a cover it's a gravity communication system and he says literally in the patent in the abstract you can communicate through plasma with this so you start to realize oh we can create a plasma bubble we can put a little device inside there and now We can communicate with it uh using

how kud off's patent what about time travel does this confirm or uh you know does this confirm time travel exists so if you change the permitivity of space you you manipulate the amount of Zer Point Energy in a region in the case of the plasma it's reducing the permitivity it's pushing out the Zero Point Energy just the way the Casmir effect was doing it so it's a different Engineering aspect if you're doing that if you're modifying the speed of light you technically modifying time you're creating a time dilation effect as well this is part of

the reason why I would say you don't want to have somebody inside these things I don't would not want to be inside of these things it would be extremely disorienting to go inside of some type of craft fly for an hour and you come out and it's a year later and you're like wait what time Dilation is real which means that time travel is real but it's not the same kind of time travel that we're seeing in science fiction except for maybe in the case of interstellar which I think they kind of got it right

which would mean that what you can do is you can change your dial so that time either moves faster or slower for you the real question then is what is negative time there is a concept of negative time in physics that mathematically works out But it's not like you're going to go back to 1950 and go meet your grandparents I would argue and this is highly speculative of course that instead what you're doing is you're reversing your local state so you would maybe reverse your age like maybe I would go back a year if I

could use if I could apply negative time um otherwise the more conventional uses would be that you can go to the future but you could never really go to the past so you could Slow your rate of time down everything else is speeding up around you and uh then you would you know be in the future is possible and if that's possible this explains why we might have moved to stuff like plasma drones or other drone type technology where no one's in there because it's the spam in the can it's a liability to have a

person inside one of these crafts where you have to keep them alive where you have to have some sort of atmosphere inside the craft because It has to be perfectly sealed as well you can't have openings on these crafts for this uh this is also going to be a really I think interesting anecdote but our spy planes I don't think people realize how hypersonics work they use plasma sheaths in front of this in the in front of these Hypersonic crafts and this is what reduces the drag so that the craft doesn't rip apart from the

friction of our atmosphere they use a Plasma sheath that they produce and you think about that we had that in the 60s it was Paul Siz who basically explained this technology to me and once I heard him explain it he's a black project engineer I went wow we can actually just turn the plasma into a drone we don't need the plane we don't need the CRA the person inside of it those are the liability just turn the plasma sheath itself into a Hypersonic drone that can ignore inertia gravity Etc um so that's what I think

that we pretty much figured out there and then I don't know what's going to happen with the time travel aspect of it I'm just interested to learn more for sure I would love to do an entire Deep dive about time travel because it's one of the most fascinating topics in my life I've I've loved it since since childhood I mean so many amazing Revelations here and I would encourage our audience to want to dive More deeply in MH 370 follow Ashton's work also go back and watch our previous interview where we went spent really over

an hour deep diving that particular part of the story um so many pieces of this with etheric energy that I'm I'm excited over the next year to see where this develops and uh really to have you back on the show to dive more deeply into it so my guest Ashton Forbes who just confirmed time travel is real but it's not what you think time TR time Travel is real get your flux capacitor out Ashton great to see you as always thank you so much I hope you have a wonderful holiday season and uh thanks for

bringing this incredible uh information to our audience as always yeah if you don't mind I'd like to do a quick shout out to my Aunt Margo she's in the hospital right now she helped raise me and make me the person that I am today Margo if you're out there I love you thank you very much and let's The power of the redacted audience everyone you know uh put Margot in their prayers and send as much uh much much energy and love uh to you and the family as as we can so thank you and uh

God bless Margot we hope uh for a speedy recovery thanks Ashton thank you