Natalie Nunn & Lemuel Plummer On Zeus Network's Reputation, Baddies, Blueface, Joseline More

Wake that ass up in the morning The Breakfast Club morning everybody it's DJ Envy Charlamagne to God We Are The Breakfast Club we got some special guests joining us today who we got we got the CEO of Zeus Network lamell plumber did I say your name right yes okay and the young lady that's banned from The Breakfast Club yeah oh my God Natalie you smell good Natalie Thank you why did you feel like we canceled your interview because I was told that we were gonna come up here last week when the baddies were here and

then I was like why are we not invited anymore I don't know one of them we have multiple publicists so they lied to you they must have lied yeah but you never scheduled but I'm here now you're here now so let's let's get into this he's still a [ __ ] ass [ __ ] I just want to know that yeah I come up here for years after that interview [Music] what was that Nick that was before you how long have you been here yes it was not that long 16 years ago Natalie okay will

you still be talking hella [ __ ] it was uh somebody took a clip with an old interview and repurposed it because it's Been going around again yes and I was annoyed all over again you were annoyed all over again yeah I I understand that what were you annoyed about in that conversation everything because you're because you because you used to just be like I don't know because I feel like over the years you have gotten a little bit more like you know with the females and the industry I think you know you just used

to be an [ __ ] you're right and it was just like to the point where Like cringe to come up here you know I mean I was always I was like [ __ ] it let's go it gave me donkey the day on a Friday before do you remember that I'm sure you used to go in so and then the video came back up and I was like oh yeah I'm about to go back up to the Breakfast Club because we gotta have a conversation well I I apologize if uh anything I said back

then hurt you what did he say what did he say he was just like Um well it was bad girls club days and he was like oh you're a big chin loudmouth you're never gonna be anything that sounds like him that sounds like him look he thinks it's funny though that's the thing that's crazy and I was just sitting in the chair and I was I was younger so I was like what the [ __ ] like yeah toasty no longer [ __ ] ass [ __ ] is he still a [ __ ] ass

[ __ ] always get into some things I'm down to pray on all Of this if you want to if you want listen but no he just you know used to be rude a lot of reality TV stars um really always used to feel some type of way coming up here especially the females well I apologize to you if that means anything thank you thank you yeah but I'm gonna get on the mail last though because lamel out here you know with this damn Zeus Network oh you know Bringing Down the black community one show

at a time You know I'm still a bad girl so you might want to be careful that's what my boss look a lot of people do feel that they feel like that Zeus is is a low when it comes to our people showing the fighting showing the things that sometimes make our community look bad what is your response to that um you know we're telling real authentic stories um you know we we're giving out um you know opportunities uh to all Sorts of folks um I don't I don't look at it like I'm doing anything

different than HBO um and Netflix and that's fiction though well they have a lot of reality shows they have a lot of unscripted shows that I ain't never seen nobody on HBO get busted over their head and have a gas so deep that they had to go get stitches Hey listen listen HBO has shows like real sex they have shows that uh you know they Uh end up you know showing the real um you know I don't know I think I think for me because I'm black owned you know we're young we're new we're hot

I think you know people are are are you know feeling away and uh you know I mean I commend you on the infrastructure I commend you on what you've built it's hard to build any type of subscription-based platform to have I think you got like a million subscribers yeah we have yeah He does this every time we have a lot of subscribers yeah I got a lot of subscribers you know what I mean so I commend that but but I don't think like I mean I think you know green lighting you know Christian and blueface

show that wasn't me bringing now in the black community I mean that's we just you know we allowed them to tell their story in their way we we made sure it was raw it was real uncensored unfiltered uh a lot of people didn't like that because they Were fighting each other during it and it was showed and I I guess the question is I guess people want to know is there balance on your network and not just continuous that's the problem fighting you know I don't think is there a positive show is there or this

because in all these networks I mean well we have we have tons of shows on the platform I think folks highlight some of our you know our hit shows and that's the ones that they've focus on but I Don't I don't I think we have we have Fitness shows we have short form content we have some scripted we have uh you know all sorts of shows upstairs Drea has a show on the network I think we have dating shows um you know one more chance we had uh Tokyo Tony's dating show B Simone Quay um

uh Bobby lights Bobby lights yeah early days uh when we when we first around the time we first launched if you have the real Black China that I mean That was a real show had a lot of heart um a lot some levity in it uh I mean our shows have you know uh so many different components to it I think that the Baddie show uh baddies is is one of our hit shows I think Jocelyn's Cabaret is is a hit show and I think people focus on that Christian Bluefish those are hit shows I

watched the hour I watched Jocelyn's Cabaret for the first time last week just hilarious uh had me watch an episode I saw three fights in one Episode Jesus the girl got hit so bad she had a gas so deep in her head that she had to go to the hospital right yeah see I don't I don't play like the other networks like I know VH1 and uh MTV sometimes if there is a fight the person is suspended y'all just it's reality is reality um I mean there are there are consequences for things that happen you

know on set when people do things I mean I look I'm I'm I'm a little different than most CEOs when it comes to you know uh working with certain folks when things happen you know um I don't know I think I think we I have a great relationship with a lot of our content Partners you know I'm a little bit more lenient when it comes to certain things I understand I mean we have real conversations about things that happen whether it's Natalie or Jocelyn or China or blueface Christian I Mean we have real conversations so

you know I understand I'm just a little bit more you know flexible I'm not we're not a traditional Network um you know we're non-traditional we're independent you know uh we are black owned and so you know we we understand the folks that we're working with as well you know some of them you know may not pass the the psyche vows if we need to do something we'll do some we do background checks we do we do we Do our due diligence when it comes to folks that we work with but it's you know again I

for me it's just about giving people an opportunity to tell their story and you know and you know when some networks aren't looking to work with people I see value I see value in all of our cast members all of our talent all of our content partners and so I think everybody's different everybody has a different story to tell and uh we just provide those Opportunities to have to have hundreds of people working for your network giving jobs I mean that's on and in front of the screen and behind the scenes is a big deal

for me it's intriguing to me because it feels like you have a a level of white leniency and what I mean by that is I've seen like we we used to give Mona Scott young hell I used to cause Mona Scott young Satan Scott young right like seriously like we used to give her hell but for whatever Reason you are exempt from that type of criticism like nobody ever comes at you directly I mean because I've obviously come from the traditional television oxygen WE tv I've worked with everyone so going to Zeus now being there

now basically my new home for almost three years people just love the energy like when we're outside they love let me people love Lemmy I love let me the cast everybody like it's fun it's like it's Like the new wave I feel like when we used to do events with oxygen back in the day we used to come to New York and the bad girls would have events they were just so like uptight and traditional and you know the girls have to stand here and it was just like very I don't even know what like

how to really put it but not knocking where I started just saying where we are now with the streaming platform and Zeus and how our boss is like we literally could Call him on the phone and any of the cast members all of the you know the Bobby light shows the the baddies the bad boys like we have a direct contact to the boss like that was never a thing before with the you know the old networks um any boss y'all up boss is all up because you're an executive producer on shows on on baddies

bad boys and Krishan and blue faces show and I I do I do feel like Lemmy gives that opportunity to everyone to come in I I know for a fact people are making more money at Zeus Network and I'm not just saying me or the other executive producers I'm talking about all the talent than anywhere else so he's not only like putting everyone in a better position in life for themselves and their families and their kids and whatnot but he's literally working with people that like he said like you know maybe the old Network's old

their old shows don't want to work with them Anymore like not to bring up Erica Mena or anything because I know that's a big topic I'm only saying this because when she got fired the other day it literally went viral to put her on on baddies like we got thousands and thousands and thousands of tags because if you apologies I just wanted to I did just hear that on the radio um coming over here but I do just think like you know we got a command uh Lemmy and Zeus Network because at times like When

people don't see an opportunity or don't see value in in Talent anymore and we're trying to figure out where we're going to go next or what show we're going to be on or oh am I gonna do a podcast or oh am I going to do this like he opens up the door doors and it's like it's insane let me ask you how did for people that don't know you know what was the idea of this network how did you get this network started and how did you get it off the ground he was in

a club and Saw a bunch of girls not at all um no I I think for me uh originally uh I I wanted to I I want to say around 2000 you know 15 or so I I just I wanted to launch a a television network I come from you know um working with parents who own networks so I just I I just thought it was so you come from parents that's that owns television networks okay so um I just wanted to launch a subscription video on Demand where are you from Michigan Michigan oh your

parents own like local cable yeah yeah and so for me it was just important to launch my own network but I felt like the the Netflix model was the new wave you know all about convenience choice and control you know uh subscription model you know VOD all that stuff was just like the new wave and so for me I just wanted to get ahead of it and you know I aggregated a lot of content partners and kind of my my motto Or philosophy in the beginning was you know we're putting the hands back into the

power of the content creators and you know we want to empower them we wanted to let them tell their stories and so we I guess I aggregated a lot of folks to come be a part of the network and originally it was like some social media folks and then you know we just started to kind of migrate over to working with more traditional you know talent and so uh it was just I just felt Like yeah I come from traditional I sold a lot of shows to various networks Viacom networks some of the nbcu networks

and I just didn't you know that I was a full-service production company um a CEO for a full service production company and so for me it was just it just I didn't like the deal structures um you know uh it took a long time to get a show off the ground it was the process was really brutal and so I was just like look we got to get these shows Out quicker you know I wanna I wanna be able to tell our stories most of these networks and production companies are white on and so for

me it just it didn't really make a lot of sense like to allow those people to tell our stories and to determine what we should get paid and how for us like you know I remember you guys interviewed you know Ray J and uh Bow Wow and he was telling you guys like he appreciated the experience with Zeus and you know he has equity in his shows And you know they're getting paid a lot of money so I think for me it was just it was just really about empowering the the content you know creators

and the talent and giving them different types of deals and uh allowing them to tell their stories and so for me I launched the network in 2018 we've been up and running for over five years and you know it's been growing and scaling every sense and so when did you start making money when did you stop making money how Long I mean it took it took a minute to make some money um there was a little bit of trial and error uh and you know we had a little bit of experimentation when it comes to

certain projects but how much is a subscription six uh five nine six dollars 5.99 599 5.99 and what was the what was the first yeah what was your first show to take off that was like oh this is it we had a couple shows um we had you know blame it on equation actually did fairly well for Us when we first like started moving and getting things going and be Simone show did really well then you know uh one more chance uh one more chance did uh really well and and then Blac Chyna just kind

of really took us over the top and y'all making almost 18 million a month hey man I appreciate it you know we're doing we're doing really awesome three million subscribers 5.99 we have a lot of we have a lot of subscribers I don't really disclose that information but we Have we do have a lot of subscribers tax purposes or various reasons for security reasons for her uh you know just all sorts of reasons I you know we're just not ready to you know uh publish our our numbers yet but I will say this I mean

look we've been charting every week we Trend every week on Twitter you know we're charting in all the app stores we're literally competing 100 close to 100 million views it did about 90 91 92 million views last season um we we were competing with like you know play the NBA playoffs NFL playoff numbers when it comes to ratings you know a lot of networks are getting you know half a million views or a 0.2.3 we're getting millions of views every time you know we uh you know on our subscription uh video on demand platform so

how do you eat off that Natalie so I'm I'm like Creator um he trying to get he said he's trying To be slick he's trying to stay outside um well so you know I have equity in my shows okay yeah so Natalie has all all of our content Partners so if you pitch your show to Zeus you know part of our secret sauce and um our incentive with the talent is that and uh you know obviously their executive producers so we don't just look at them as you know just Talent you know we want them

to get that real experience uh we do all of our Productions in-house so there's no third-party production companies producing ourselves which I love I've learned so much there's an education process there's an educational process that we provide uh you know we do incentivize them to uh promote their shows we allow them to share in the revenue that comes in in different ways not just a talent via episodic V you know there's like real money like she's I mean night and day From traditional television and that was part of it we were like what they what

they're paying folks on Love and Hip-Hop even if you give somebody you know 10 20 000 I mean it's just not to me I think that you know our talent our content partners are worth more than that and now what about the partnership with Floyd Mayweather was that yeah that was great we we you know we partnered with Floyd and The Money Team and that was fun shout out to you know Daryl Farmer and Walt and uh you know uh uh is that profitable yeah and Jonah yeah they all did a great job making it

happen but it it did really well we you know we we that was our first time uh green lighting any type of pay-per-view so you know it's that's different technology and it's a different type of situation when you're you know when it's more of a transactional video on demand type of situation but uh yeah you know would y'all do another one yeah yeah we love Working with Floyd we didn't make we didn't we had nothing to do with that yeah that makes good that makes his brand look bad but we have nowhere to do with

it yeah we did that wasn't uh that wasn't it we were the distributor that's like saying so there's two things going on yeah it was it was the Floyd fight was happening live all of that was live and while all that was happening it was just chaos Right and so once the chaos broke out then you know uh Jocelyn and other folks uh were fighting backstage and we weren't even really you know do y'all get y'all got in trouble because that was y'all security though no we didn't we we weren't we weren't actually like I

I don't I wasn't there so I don't I don't know I mean I watched the footage just like we but we know we weren't he wasn't at the fight no I wasn't behind the scene I wasn't behind the scenes Which I you know we had two Productions going on we actually had three Productions we did have three we had we had but we were shooting blueface and Christian live they had performances and we were shooting their series then we were shooting the exhibition and then we were Distributing and filming you know the fight the Floyd

fight so I mean Floyd loves working with us we love working with Floyd we we do good business together you know he's a great Partner and uh the fights are are fun I want to do another I did I was on the undercard Tommy Farley Floyd you know we are talking about some some other fights but that fight looks so pitiful it looked like y'all were so damn tired I wanted to keep going it was her who just fell out of the ground like what are you doing get up she was tired did you have

a chin guard one oh you know what Charlamagne Not today listen leave um are you afraid that you are going to get held liable for stuff like that though because somebody could somebody that got assaulted could easily name Zeus in a lawsuit yeah we we protect ourselves as much as we can you know Insurance you know our deals you know we Implement a lot of things in our in our in our deals I mean am I nervous I mean we know what we we signed up for we know who we're Working with and you know

for us I'm not really worried about it uh it's more so you know uh we just have to implement you know a certain protocol and procedure that protects everybody our cast our crew and and all the folks involved and we do that and we have a great security team we've beefed up our security we've we have great producers that do a fantastic job um you know we protect not only just the talent we protect the production you Know so we have security watching over our production you know I was going so we just you know

we we try to you know do as much as we can to to make sure it's a safe environment and uh and that you know even though there's things that happen conflicts you know uh you know altercations we just we we try to do our best to to mitigate the situation as as much as possible but you know working with the baddies baddies we're working with bad boys we're working with Blueface now you posted a picture and everybody thought you had surgery they thought you shortened your chin I didn't even know that that's possible you

call him a [ __ ] ass [ __ ] no no I'm not call him it's a rumor but I feel like what happened was when I first got in in Hollywood I was like probably 125 pounds I was like 24 years old so you know fast forward 13 years you know My body's changed I feel like when people grow into their whatever so I'm like I grew into my chin now the neck they have nothing else to talk about now Nicki Minaj mentioned you too so hold on so you didn't get there wasn't no

I didn't get no I just got I gained more weight like not 125 pounds anymore so yeah I put it on in my face I guess I don't know you look great thank you there's nothing wrong with your gym oh yeah Nikki said something about it when She said something about my chin and her new song There was a whole viral moment that I had my children now why is she not a [ __ ] ass [ __ ] for talking about your child because that's yes that's big sis what did she say about pictures

like Natalie now I think or something like that yeah you guys are annoying because now everybody does this everywhere we go um she just said even if my name was Natalie Nunn you [ __ ] still can chin Check me that's a good double a long time you'd be chin checking people I mean you know my big one what about in the winter will you wear a chinchilla the only thing I saw about that video was I was like which one of y'all canceled Natalie another interview because I didn't know nothing about it we didn't

know nothing about it I guess it was I don't know it was like three different publicists that work obviously At Zeus and then I think it was a mystery y'all were up here after the old one that's what I'm like yeah it was never a problem a few times right like three this is my third time that's why we ban you him come on he banned my chin he didn't ban me so that's why I'm here actually [ __ ] ass [ __ ] acronym let me ask you a question what do you think contributes

to the success of Zeus because people going people say they're Ratchetness they say the the degradation of women right so what would you say contribute to the success of Zeus I think that uh first wait let me answer that I think it's Lemmy no no for real besides the fact that we have a lot of amazing and great talent that whether or not they're loud and they're obnoxious or they're this that and the other they have a fan base that follows them but Lemmy's like 10 toes down in the paint like he's there he's not

the CEO that Sits behind the desk so I tell them this all the time like we'll be out at dinner somewhere and I'm like oh I just gotta let you know like you are like like the best CEO you're you are right there like he didn't have to be here this morning let me let me make so much money like he really doesn't have to do it but he's always involved or he's always right there even on the show so he's not at every single scene but he's somewhere right there he's making sure Things are

going right he's making sure like he's there ten toes down yeah I've decided to kind of be more of a boots on the ground CEO you know we're only five years old um I think that I I'm not going to take all the credit but thank you um I think we have a phenomenal team of Executives uh you know we have a great group of executive producers um shout out to my you know my team and uh you know president of Zeus Jason Tolbert and you know uh LJ my brother who's um you know our

executive producer on all of our shows even Mark scheible um who who's one of our EPS we have a great team um you know Daryl farmer who's advisor in consultant Zeus and Janisha and who you know my girl and every we have we just have a lot of folks that just do a you know an amazing job um and I think that we have a great Group of you know stars that work with the network I mean so I think that that in addition to you know uh uh you know the shows being loud and

provocative you know I think that we try to push the envelope a lot more our content is uncensored we don't censor our content you know what I mean so it would there ever be a reason to kick somebody off a Zeus can somebody do something yeah of course besides okay somebody go too Far away disrespect me no I'm just kidding no um no honestly oh they disrespect you but they can disrespect each other no no I'm kidding I'm kidding no I I don't I don't care no I I honestly I we've never had to kick

anybody off I I don't I don't recall ever us there's people we don't work with anymore but I won't say anything yeah I mean I think I think they do something wrong you just don't like them like you know you know what I Mean like doing crazy [ __ ] no I think I think I need to know what y'all call crazy because we see all these what do y'all what do y'all I think I think that we we are I think our our audience resonates with our content because it's it's real okay a lot

of networks water down their content they have to censor it you know the cut the talent doesn't come off usually authentic and real and I think that makes a difference I think that makes a difference we put out our Content a lot faster you know we we just shot a whole series of baddies East where like literally we just wrapped a few days ago the thing is we're premiering it this Sunday this Sunday we just shot it 30 days we're premiering first episode so I think the the timeline of when we release our content is

a big deal we have a great marketing campaign we work with a lot of great folks shout out to all the blogs That you know that have picked up our content that you know work with us as well I mean it's great the Hollywood unlocks with Jason Lee yeah shout out to Jason Lee shout out to Kyle at neighborhood talk and Riley and honestly all these guys are awesome we have our own blogs you know there's a lot of folks that you know contribute to the success of Zeus you know not just not just myself

and you know our immediate team but just other folks that just Believe in the vision so we successes the people it's the people it's everybody involved you know everybody involved and I think we just we're growing larger I mean it's getting crazy you know we I mean we're sponsoring a lot of folks we're like we've sponsored several ditty events um we're sponsoring his album release party that's not that tonight you know uh we sponsor videos with French Montana we've done all sorts of things I mean we work with a lot of Traditional folks we put

on a lot of events um you know we're we're just doing everything we can to make our Mark and and I think I think is working and I think is I think is doing really really well but Natalie why do people think you're scared of Jocelyn I think just hilarious yeah I know Jess Jess has favorites and that's okay my favorite just got y'all got a little thing yeah yeah she just we need to get Jets on baddies she don't want to do that um I think she would be great on that we're not doing

that here we go why is that why why wouldn't she be on batteries what's wrong with her you don't want her to be she has her favorite she has her favorite I think you should be on Bad Boys I feel like he should be I think he's gonna be the Stars I think you should do bad boys I'm too zesty for bad boys I'll get that whole show so what's the problem with Jocelyn and then what's the problem with Jess I don't have a problem with okay so look let's let's be very clear I think

with Jocelyn and I you know we both I I feel like we both came into the industry around the same time we could say um the reality TV World in that lane um you know she owned her Lane at the time for Love and Hip Hop and I definitely owned the Bad Girls Club we All can just say that about the two of us so you know when it came down to me coming to Zeus um I think she was already like three seasons in on Jocelyn's Cabaret and I've always supported her show like I've

always reposted posted it up I mean can you agree to that let me I've always I don't it was never like a a you know but I think you know when Once baddies came and kind of did our thing um and started taking off a little more And now obviously it's the season four I think it started becoming more of just like a competition in in the sense of like who's the queen of Zeus or whose show was running Zeus um you know listen I'll say they both they both do an amazing job I love

Jocelyn I love Natalie I love all of our content Partners I think that you know it's just a little healthy competition Jocelyn show does incredibly well and shout out to Johnson ballistic the success of Johnson's Cabaret we we just you know uh Jocelyn's uh Jocelyn's Cabaret New York is airing and is doing incredibly well uh you know so I think I think they look I have a great relationship with both of them um they do interact sometimes and you know it's been a little up and down from time to time but I think for the

most part I think they that's up and down like y'all have it all yeah behind the scenes yeah we do sometimes Tommy I mean I would but I don't know if she would but why you only record that I mean I I would Jocelyn's focus is her music in her show I don't think she wants to do that um I think she could on the ring with you for the right I make a lot of money yeah hey I'm down it up I think people like jazz or people like what's your problems she said you

know she'll say things like oh she's a comedian I know listen I let everybody live I just say okay well originally just started come on bad boy just started off by saying that Tanisha was her favorite from Bad Girls Club and that um I shouldn't be running Bad Girls Club over at Zeus that's how it started and I was like what is she talking about like you know so she started with that then the second thing was when Christian and blueface's show came and you know my name's in the credits as an executive Producer she

went on to say Natalie is exploiting Christian and making all this money off of her and there's a whole thing on YouTube If you Google it like she just went on a rant and so I just be like how is another female are you gonna be mad at me for just working I'm just doing my job like let me said you know we're just following people's stories I'm not telling Christian to do this I'm not telling kashawn to you know we're just following them it's just raw Uncensored you know uh whatever they're doing so I'm

like how am I exploiting her like what like you know the only thing I would correct just on is is not just you exploit nervous let me too no but we're not right we're not just stop no shows oh first of all I love Jess he's great oh God I have an issue with yes I don't have anything I mean I lost someone you guys were getting into I was trying to calm her down and I was like hey well You know she she got into it yeah let me sponsor that Tycoon weekend one of

the sponsors with 50 Cent and they were kind of having a little thing but I I who Justin Natalie yeah she was randomly drink like [ __ ] yes just just and that they both listen to me in that moment it it was found it it was we defused it and you know I don't think they've talked ever since but I think You guys should talk I think this is like last year it was Taco weekend in Houston oh bro what did you ask me about croshan you can see why people think that though if

they don't know how we telling grown people we cannot tell why first of all I don't I don't exploit blueface and Christian they're very they're executive producers um they're very aware of what we're filming they are very Hands-On with the Post-production uh aspect they watch the cuts before they they are released they give notes they are very Hands-On we don't even I mean if you watch the show we there's like no real story producers like producing them it's literally just the cameras following them but you never know like it's like you jumped in between none

and yes the payouts are fighting right now smoking maybe let me let me say this first of all I'm Not drinking I I never I'm not on every set on you know every day that's number one I I try to be where I can be as much as possible sometimes we have multiple shows going at the same time and uh I wasn't really on their their production as much uh but when when we did have some really big moments I was there I actually did help you know uh Defuse The Situation between Christian's family and

blueface I don't know if you guys saw the first season and it was like a ton Of stuff that happened you know I I am I try to do what I can I mean I'm not I can't control everything you know our cameras capture everything and that's part of the brand you know we we we we we we capture you know all of this content in in uh real time and uh and so just be starting [ __ ] bro but I will say I've been here we don't exploit we don't exploit we don't exploit

our talent we don't exploit it and that that narrative Everybody is pretty Hands-On and aware we don't control what people do I can't control like there's no Universe where I can control Tommy and how she comes off on camera she did a great job she was a producer she was Hands-On with baddies West and I love Tommy she's great but she's going to be Tommy just like I have no control over Natalie she's gonna do Natalie I have no control over blue facehan you know Jocelyn I love all of them and you know I appreciate

that they Love the relationship with me and Zeus and they do their thing and I think that people appreciate which is part of the success of Zeus at this current time you know the the real realness right and the rawness of of uh in the authenticity piece of it all and answer this question and tell me if you think it's fair this is a question from Forbes Forbes wrote an article uh a woman named Maya Hoskin the headline is and it's a question does little meal Lemuel well you can just say Let me let me

know a plumber Lemuel plumber Zeus Network represent everything that is wrong with how black people are portrayed on TV answer that question absolutely not no absolutely not I mean I I know I I'm not the originator of you know like why because it's not just black women I mean look every industry every like you got people could call your show salacious or you know uh conflict driven you guys exploit black people I mean I'm Not I think you guys do a great job I think you guys do a great job asking the real questions being

your authentic selves right um I would I would love if somebody said pick up the Breakfast Club pick up The Breakfast Club in a heartbeat if we had the opportunity but you know I would but I think that no I mean I look shows have been going on these types of shows have been going on for decades yeah I'm not the originator of of you know uh black content and and You know certain types of formats and shows you know I think that we've we've you know been able to capture it in its raw form

and be able to put it out and distribute it in a unique way where it is uh it's it's entertaining um and you know uh some of it has shock value some of it has drama some of it has some levity and comedy some of it I mean it's it's so many different components so yes I don't know if you Really watch all the episodes every episode right so people people watch Clips people watch trailers and then they make judgments I guarantee that writer if you had to ask this writer do you physically watch every

episode of every series I don't know she has she doesn't I'm assuming that's my assumption but one episode I saw three fights yeah I saw a woman swing on a pole and kick another woman in my stomach entertaining as [ __ ] but I was Like Jesus but right but with no structure right no structure no rules right do you ever get to a point where it's like if something goes bad with somebody that you're working with that they turn that on you because there is no structure somebody off who's to say Natalie none won't

turn around and smack the ish out of you or punch you listen well first of all I've experienced I've experienced a lot of things you know um Not me I'm not gonna say this nobody really put hands on you Jocelyn smacks I'm not I'm not gonna No but somebody really put hands on you ain't gotta say the pool it was it wasn't like that I think it was just the Heat of the Moment I'm I'm very forgiving and patient when it comes to certain things uh you know again I'm very aware of who I work

with uh but yeah no I I I am I mean some people will call us the second chance Network we give a Lot of people you know the opportunity to come back and return to TV and and be themselves I think that you know again we're a subscription video on demand platform so I think our content just is a little louder because we're not we're not you know generating Revenue off of advertising so we don't censor our content so we're we allow things to play out and I think people appreciate that when you have to

water things down when you have to edit it in a way when you Have to censor it I think that you know I think that that's kind of old school I think that's old school I think we live in a day and age where a lot of folks are desensitized I put hands on you it still works for the network and you ain't gotta say the person's name The reason I say it because at the end of the day I get it is has anybody ever hands on you here no no ask me that has

anybody has any ever put Him like smash yeah well you don't tell people that work here yeah oh no no nobody or any of your not out in the street yeah yeah oh yeah yeah no I don't I've never experienced that but you know look I work with a lot of females if if a female I'm not gonna react like so yes to answer your question Do they still work we've talked about it we've just got to get an older cousin let me move the president Yeah no no they know I have a great security

team shout out to him yeah we in the ground I got I got I gotta make sure we're I'm protected and the folks that I move around with I've seen a video with May note already I know y'all squashed it from then how did they don't get that close to you then uh at that fashion show well he didn't get well we were at a club my security understands how to they're not gonna just immediately react and go Up because that could be dangerous and you know so I just you know signaled like let's keep

it cool like it's okay like I'm all right you know but y'all ain't want them problems with me yeah oh yeah it was that party though they were like I don't care I have I have nothing but respect and love for me no we talked about it the next day on live it went viral and he you know in his own unique way acknowledge his own He didn't he didn't sorry he's like my bad you know I didn't know that was you and you know we eat squash and it was cool we actually had a

phone call you know it's great so you know it's okay I look everybody doesn't know who I am they don't and that's fine I mean and now I think you know people let me know you do a lot of FaceTime Natalie do a lot of FaceTime yeah here we go it shouldn't even be a joke we are gonna Have beef forever let me ask you a question how do you go from that to Serious all right this is my biggest issue with lemon let me say something that makes a lot of sense you talk about

breakfast club yeah Breakfast Club gets all the smoke we get all the accountability people always hold us accountable I don't even know and I feel like you hiding behind the natalies and the Johnsons But you don't get it because Mona got smoke Shaunie O'Neal got smoke but you don't never see people like Andy Cohen really get too much you're talking about executive producers I'm the CEO of the network I mean it's different I respect all of them they're all great so I mean I'm the CEO of the network so it's just it's not you know

it's so you should get the most smoking really listen they can you say hold on you're mad at me because you Don't get no smoke I do get smart nobody need to get more smokes we balance it out in different ways uh you know like like I said we we sponsored stuff we have a great relationship I have a great relationship but like you said The Floyds the the ditties you know all the time philanthropic philanthropic side uh of Zeus that we we give back we employ a lot of folks I think you got to

show more of that yeah I do feel it I do feel it you know I'm not on the front lines probably like you guys like you guys have a talk show you you have multiple things that you're on screen every day so yeah you'll probably feel it a little bit more I think the EPS you know are different than a CEO so it's it's it's it's different so I just I feel like you know I I feel it I I do get people talking and saying things all the time you know I'm not going to

respond to everything you know that's The thing I don't I don't need to respond to every and getting the minutiae nuances of everything that somebody says or claims or you know what they may say negative about me I bless you I'm not I'm not gonna never do it I thought about it you know what I mean but it's it's I also feel like I have a great relationship with folks too so it's I think people see my heart um and the spirit you know uh of what I mean when when we when when things Happen

I think I I don't know I I I I just look man I want to do right by people I think does it feel like a pirate I think it's what's the word pirate victory a victory that even though you win so much is lost achieving that win uh I say that one more time pirate Victory is a victory that's not worth winning because so much is lost but what's lost well people would say like you know when you say the degradation of Women or watching women fight each other all the time but here's here's

my thing we're five years old we have all sorts of plans we have we have all sorts of plans to diversify our content I don't have unlimited budgets this is I I this is self-financed right I sell Finance Zeus all the money that we make we put right back into the network we pay our content Partners great we we do Fair deals we're not you know some cheap Network you know at the end of the day We do everything we can to bring value to folks so for me we're diversifying our content uh we will

we are tapping into scripted um looking for those right right projects to Green Light you know we are getting into sports um you know we we're getting into music um and so there's just a lot of things that's happening with Zeus I think you guys are just looking at this iteration of Zeus right now and that's that's fair And that's fine but I think that there's a lot that you know is happening with the network that you guys will see in the near future and so yes we'll still have shows like baddies Johnson's Cabaret you

know certain dating shows and you know all sorts of things but we like to take risks you know we like to take risks like even when we greenlit Bobby's dating show that was like one of the first gay dating shows you know we got a little bit of flack for that but I Felt like Bobby deserved a show he's a great talent he was an executive producer it was a great job great show people it was loud it's provocative so I think you know we we want to take those chances we want to experiment a

little bit but we also are going to balance it out we do have some shows in in the pipeline that we're going to be Distributing you know uh that that aren't really focused on some of the other things that you guys see so just Give us a little bit more time man we're only five years old a lot of these networks have been around for decades BT's been around for probably over three to thirty years you know um and you know they've they've grown they started off probably doing music videos and this short people so

it's just you know just just just stick with us give us an opportunity to show you guys that yes you know right now is loud it's provocative will still continue to be Loud but you know we will diversify our content and we will put out new shows and I and I'm I'm really excited about uh the future of Zeus I still don't think you should be exempt from any smoke though the same smoke bonus got young got you should get this I'm not Mona behind you her thought process with when you say that what do

you mean when you say I'm hiding behind him why do you think I Hide behind him because you they're they're the face of the network they're the front facing when you think face the networking thing Natalie you think Jocelyn you think Christian any network you're gonna be waiting for the joke [Applause] but and let me use behind that you know and every now and then you pop up but not enough to really get no smoke [Music] but it's a black owned Network founded By Lemmy right and he's black that's the thing if it sadly if

it was a white person they probably wouldn't be saying anything yeah you know what I mean but because you're black people expect you to do better by your people right well they don't well let me ask you a question why like they don't come after the CEO of icon because he's white that's what I just said yeah because he's saying because he's white but that's true so they come After me so I deserve this look you outside you in the club with them you're watching Breakfast Club interviews I'm I'm young I'm I'm young you know

like I said we we're we're not a traditional Network so I'm and I and I I take pride in that I'm happy like we can do things different differently than most networks you know there's a lot of restrictions there's a lot of things that you can't do I think that it helps I think me going to the club sometimes from time to Time shows me that I'm reachable I'm here I'm there with our stars and some of our folks and we like to have a good time you know I I'm not there all the time

but yeah I try to I try to do as much as I can and be as reachable to be as accessible um you know I get cussed out on text messages from time to time I mean there's a lot of things that happen like I said for me I I do get smoke you know I just I think that most people would Respond to the smoke I don't usually respond to it and that's that's the thing for me it's that just like I'm not gonna get involved in all of that it's just like I have

I do have a lot going on running a network is a lot of work so if if there's you know egregious things that are said online from anybody or you know I just I don't really get involved in the minutiae nuances of that I mean that we've been you know there's been we've been doing this for years now I Mean people have said all sorts of things for years and I just don't I just don't respond and I think a lot of times you know what's your Twitter what's your Twitter and Instagram let me know

plumber my name he wants me to turn off the comments Natalie yes are you in Charlemagne good now well I want to ask them questions oh Lord you do have a double major in sociology sociology and communication which when you was here 10 years ago That's one of the things I said I was like don't you want to utilize yeah those degrees do you feel like you're utilizing them now yes for sure I feel like now that I'm like executive producing baddies I deal with all of the girls every day like uh I'm Hands-On you

know with Lemmy and the team whether it's casting um you know working with the girls on camera and off camera just you know I feel like my communications Um degree definitely helps in that field because for some reason I could smack the [ __ ] out of a girl we could still have a conversation five minutes after um and then even then you know sociology I really understand a lot of the girls and and just any even the bad boys like um you know uh you know the study of people is really you know what

sociology is so I feel like I definitely am able to utilize both of my degrees I think I told you that before even you know when I was up here years ago for like reality TV I I think that has really what's helped me be a reality star and now even uh like a boss because I can literally sit there listen to them get I get it I get it and you know work with them and it's helped you to manipulate people right because because you know what you're doing on social media and I guess

that's the only thing that I'll be tripping off because like you know even last week when you went to the whole Tirade oh shall I mean [ __ ] yeah but I'm like and I know you know what she's doing I do know what I'm doing you know I mean you know what's really funny Me and Bobby lights we were at the hotel in New York and he came down to my room we were here with Zeus or whatever and he came down he said he said you know what you were doing just wanted to

respond pulled up the segment I guess it was like the next morning you guys were talking about the same morning He's like look and I was like Charlemagne [Laughter] because people do follow you they do watch you and I think you owe it through these people to show them all of that whole totality of Natalie nut I think they they're getting it I mean but the thing is is like I do feel like I live two lives and I'm gonna be honest because I have you know I'm on reality shows with other females that you

Probably would not see me with all the time and every day but we're living together for a month and a half two months whatever while we're filming and then I go home you know I have like a family and so you know my friends from home and so it is like a balance for me I have to you know tap back into you know being the boss batty now I don't really I'm not on the show like Bad Girls Club 10 years ago like being manipulative and doing I actually I'm in Just sitting there like

so how can we figure this out girls like you know you guys want to fight it out fight it out if not like you know so I I have grown up but I can still be very manipulative you know especially sociology degree yeah yeah and you was an athlete then you went to the Junior Olympics or some [ __ ] I did I played soccer at USC see what I'm saying now like people need to see that that's why I get frustrated at Because I'm like you're more than just the reality show for sure I

mean you but we I feel like over the what is it 14 years now of me being on reality TV people know that you know I don't think they know it enough they know they don't think they do did you know all that about Natalie yes yes I did I did Big Celebrity Big Brother London and we did all the little Challenge and then we did the challenge show on auction they know they know they Know how do you keep yourself from really getting mad though like when you like when you're really about to get

upset like what do you do chin up shoulders back breathe put yourself this is what he does you said pull-ups yes chin up shoulders back you got this that's a technique your therapists shoulders back breathe smack the [ __ ] out of you Now the thing is is you know the girls do do [ __ ] still to this day and I think at this point because of where I'm at you know like even especially at Zeus I mean that everybody wants to be at the top so they find a way to come for me

whether you know if it's Tommy coming on my show and again like I got in the ring with Tommy we did our big one we fought at the reunion because it was it was more than just the words and the bickering Now it's like you're trying to come for a spot that's not your spot and let's just be very clear like you're just you're on my show which is baddies is my show and have a little respect but the thing about females are they're just really catty and it's just never gonna that is Never Gonna

Change girls are catty jealous they can be malicious just they could be very nasty individuals so I feel like now for me the only way I'm gonna really snap and smack the [ __ ] out Of a [ __ ] is if you're really [ __ ] with my money or you're doing some weird [ __ ] you're being weird behind the scenes that's when it can get ugly so I I got in the ring with Tommy we did our thing and she still you know I think it was what Floyd Mayweather we can try

to pull up on me at a little spot in South Beach I didn't say it was right but I'm just saying we get I get backlash for that too like you know yeah who's the CEO Who's the CEO of uh Bravo uh NBC I'm a CEO of NBC all right wow but we appreciate you guys for joining us and I think I think we're going to continue to see a lot of evolution from Natalie nun just like people see continue to see a lot of evolution from me I mean I think that you're going to

continue to grow thank you and I think we're going to start to see the whole totality what's gonna grow not my chin no it's nothing I I'm telling you this sincerely I'm sending you nothing but positive energy love and light I want you to keep your head up and keep your chin up and most importantly keep smiling because Life's a beautiful thing thank you okay there's so much this morning so we're cool now so we're cool [Music] this season is really we got Suki on there we got Mariah Lynn uh how does that work because

I thought Suki's on Love and Hip Hop you know there's no exclusivity uh we that's not our our issue but no Suki's on there yeah you got croshan's on there um I'm getting backlash for that we got rolly talk about Chucky now the cast is lit this season backlash with I mean well she's on there performing and stuff and she was pregnant and people were like ah she's pregnant her sister's on there too her sister's on there too so she was there with her we have rolly Rolly's returning Scotty's returning Scotty with the body uh

who else uh big Eve's returning [Music] what it is a little white girl hello yeah wow beef with the girl catch me outside or whatever there you know oh she went okay yeah so did they fight for the people yeah there was no fighting worker but the show does come out this Sunday yeah uh This Sunday uh this September 17th premieres to September 17th so we're really really excited about uh baddies East and uh you know the fans are so excited about bad disease like the East Coast who else is on there it's a big

this was this is a big season for real like this is probably on uh um yeah it's Miley oh God Kylie that's going viral right now she snatched my Island's chain from yeah it's like so Much he's not into it but he looked like he really is he's watching he's gonna watch baddies this guy's there Skye from Black Ink Sky's on the show it's VH1 since you was seasoned desist you know what the thing is I've talked to the highest level at volume um uh you know uh I can't remember the guy it was a

Christmas okay okay got your keys who's the CEO or something uh we had we had a couple conversations they were yeah yes to Answer your questions today they they did reach out about um cease synthesis but I mean I don't know why I mean they've why would you send out a cease and desist you think they're gonna buy you one day um sure if they may listen if they I'm open I would love to work with any of the media conglomerates the nbcu the viacoms I think it'd be great to come up with some type

of partnership or acquisition I think yeah if the price is Right and it makes sense 100 I think yeah I think right now Zeus is you know we're looking at that that that that billion dollar you know valuation yeah so or or you know is is definitely is definitely doing really well and the company we're we're doing extremely well so I'm super excited but yeah we've we've had some folks reach out um you know I'm just not ready to to sell right now Um I guess it didn't have to be the it'd have to be

the right deal um and it'd have to make sense uh and you know I enjoy I enjoy doing what I'm doing but what makes them send cease and desist I think it was um I don't know I I honestly they they reached out about some folks that maybe participated in some of the shows uh but that's not really our issue you know that the deal is not with Zeus the deal Is with your client you know the client so if they're in breach that has nothing to do with us does Floyd own uh equity in

the company no Floyd does not own equity and Zeus but we have been talking about uh some you know how some some ways to partner and you know because for him to become a strategic partner uh in Zeus and so we we've had those discussions and um you know I think we're both open to uh exploring some things so uh yeah you know if Floyd is Great um we've had a lot of people man a lot of people reach out we've it's been great did he did he actually you know has reached out of course

he did you know uh wanting to come up with some type of partnership or make some investment you said y'all contract's too fat or y'all treating Talent too well over there also his uh album you know his album I mean all the team over there Stevie J Frankie you know all those guys that work with with puff they've done a great job um you know DP all those guys they they all they all do great and you know we're happy to be in a line with puff and his team and KK so it's great they

all do a great job is Erica gonna end up on baddies I mean I would love for Erica hey that's a great I think Eric could be great on that it'd be great I mean but yeah I heard y'all talking Before uh when y'all were saying y'all start a new show called one monkey no stop no show starring her and have not not doing that's not true no that's not true I heard y'all but I would love for Erica Mena to come to Daddy's I think that would be amazing I think this would have been

a great season for her to do it too because we just did the baddies East but hey next season's right around the corner yeah we love we love we had a great class oh we mentioned Sapphire she Came on there too um it's a lot we had a great cast but are we and Erica would be great I think there's a lot of people out there that would be great on Zeus let me plumber doesn't care about black women [Music] [Music] I love all of our talent I know there's been you know uh folks that

have worked with us that you know there's been some challenging times but I love whoever you Are out there just know if we've ever had any you know hardships I love you I I appreciate you everything that you've done I appreciate everybody that's you know contributed to the growth and success of Zeus um I love you if I don't mention you all the time I'm sorry you know for folks that may you know be mad at me at this moment I love you I'm sorry if I ever hurt you you know or did anything that

you know I I love you ain't even got Canceled yet and you apologize are you trying to story produce me I'll just walk you through it The Breakfast Club