I have this sense that there are very powerful secret societies operating today and we don't really know or understand them and the conspiracy theories in spirit might have something to them but are actually factually not correct so like you know an effective powerful secret society or intelligence agency is not going to uh let you know anything that it doesn't want you to know right they'll probably mislead you if you can that close so I think you know the question is what's the most powerful or important secret society probably the one you don't know about one
that doesn't advertise its existence the one which is never known anywhere under its real name you've got things like the Bohemian Club you've got the Builder Burgers which is another sort of you know formed in the 1950s largely the creation of a guy by the name of Yosef retinger polish mysterious Pier at of nowhere a schemer for years a man expelled from Britain France and the United States at one point or another long active in the Mexican labor movement okay readinger is mysterious figure in fact his I think there was even a book written about
him called emance grees gray Eminence the fellow who's a the front man for the bilderbergers was uh Prince barard of the Netherlands who was at one point a Nazi and then a Dutch Freedom Fighter all right take your pick but uh retinger is is the moving hand behind the whole thing and I'll be damn if I can figure out who ringer is so the idea is that well you get like influential people in media business politics and you bring them together just to talk to try to find common answers or or common questions it's all
very much sort of Western Europe Anglo European Ian it's all very closely sort of connected to Nato the whole concept of a kind of atlanticist world which is essentially the anglo-american combine combined with Western Europe but you got a bunch of these things I mean the Council and Foreign Relations is very similar to that and the bilderbergers and there's an overlap with the Bohemian Club and then you've got the Pine Circle or Le Circle which is more military but also linked to the so-called secret gladio you know the idea of the Soviets overr around Western
Europe there would be a stay behind organization called gladio there' be these Freedom Fighters so the question I have about that is that how many secret organizations do you need I mean why all these separate groups which often seem to have the same people into them yeah there's a and the closer I look the more I wonder the same question we asked about the Russian intelligence agencies is where's the center of power it seems to be very hard to figure out does the secrecy scare you well I guess on one level I'm comforted that there's
somebody actually making decisions opposed to take I mean what what do you want do you want chaos or do you want everything kind of rigidly controlled and I don't put much stock in the idea that there actually is some small group of people running everything because if they were it would operate more efficiently I do think that there are various disperate groups of people who think that they're run things or try to and that's that's what concerns me more than anything else well I hate to go back to them again guess I you're bringing up
you go back to the Nazis they had their whole idea about a new world order and they only had 12 years to do it and look what a mess they made I mean look at the damage the physical damage that can be done by an idea inspiring a relatively small group of people controlling a nation based upon some sort of racial or ideological fantasy that has no real basis in reality and yet guides their actions it's it's this differentiation that I always make and I would try to get across the students between always be clear
about what you know and what you believe you don't know many things you know your name you know when when you were born you probably know who your father is but that's not absolute unless you've had a DNA test and only if you trust DNA tests so you know who your mother is you believe this man is your father why because your mother told you he was so you believe things generally because someone has told you this is to be true but you don't really know for sure well because we know so little we to
go by beliefs so we we we believe in this we believe in that you know you believe that uh your cult leader is the is the is the answer to everything and it seems to be very very easy to get people to believe things and then what happens is that whether or not those beliefs have any real basis in reality they begin to influence your actions so here again regrettably in some ways to bring it back to the Nazis what were the Nazis convinced of they were convinced that Jews were basically evil aliens that's what
it comes down to they were some they weren't really humans there's some sort of evil contamination which we must eradicate and they set out to do that and then they were sure that there's just a few problems that can be solved and once you solve them that you have this beautiful Utopia where everything would be just perfect it' be great and we can just get there and I think it's really strong belief in a global Utopia it just never goes right it seems like impossible to know the truth for some reason not long ago I
was listening on YouTube to Old wobbly Songs Know internet the uh workers of the world um I don't know why I I didn't know there was a whole album of wobbly songs but um and there was one of them called Commonwealth of toil and it's it like most of them they're sort of taken from gospel songs and it's talking about in the in the future you know how wonderful everything will be in the Commonwealth of toil that will be and now these are you know revolutionary leftists in this case wobblies but nonetheless it it's like
it's like a prayer for for communism everything now in in the future everything will be good because the Earth will be shared by the toilers and you know from each his abilities each according to his need and and it's and it's this kind of sweet little song in some way but I'm just sort of imagining this you know if I was going to Stage that I'd have like this choir of children singing it with a huge hammer and sickle behind them because that's that's what it's combining and that you can think that the sentiments that
expressed in that song which you know are legitimate in some way of all the horrors that that that thing leads to it is fascinating about humans a beautiful idea on paper an innocent little idea about a utopian future can lead to so much suffering and so much destruction and total the unintended consequences as you see Des law of unintended consequences and we learn from it I mean that's why history is important we learn from it hopefully do we slowly we're slow Learners I'm unconvinced of that but perhaps is
