what's up everyone Jay here last week I talked about some of the rumors on the new 9800 x3d processor that could be coming out soon what's funny cuz after that I got an email from AMD talking about 9,000 Series updates and I thought maybe it was going to be about that but no AMD is actually doing some pretty interesting stuff with 9000 Series listening to kind of the negative feedback they got regarding the decisions they made so we're going to talk about that today this may or may not actually make people a little more excited
about 9700x 600x but just listen to the information and you guys sound off down below I'm curious as to whether or not AMD is doing a little bit too much backpedaling here NZXT is a quick and easy way to get a new gaming computer build a gaming PC on your budget using the built-in configurator and see exactly how your favorite games will perform and if you don't want to spec it yourself then choose from nxt's preconfigured player PC systems designed to fit your needs and budget and now NZXT is proud to announce NZXT Flex a
PC gaming subscription service with no commitments with upgrades every 2 years and compreh ensive customer support with active subscriptions to see the full lineup of ndst PCS and flex options follow the sponsored Link in the description below so we're talking about 99000 series specifically 9600 X and 9700 X's warrantied 105 watt ctdp mode and it stands for configurable TDP uh essentially here now what AMD is doing is basically saying okay fine forget the efficiency increases that we've made to the CPU if you were just like I want power I want all the the clocks and
boosts available to it you can turn off the 65 watt mode turn on 105 watt mode it's different than PBO we'll talk about that a second though and get yourself approximately up to 10% more faster it doesn't say more faster I'm saying more faster the proper vernacular type whatever I digress so 65 watt to 105 watt we're talking 40 watt more power draw for up to 10% more power so that shows you actually how much of a diminished turn there is on increasing the power so there's no specific mention about uh whether or not this
is going to up the clock speeds I think what this is going to potentially do is maybe just allow it to boost a little bit farther but uh this is just about it not hitting that ther or that power limit TDP is hard in certain games and stuff with more spiky workloads means that we could see it go up to its like 56 57 58 single core speeds and stay there longer in games which is a nice thing to see the crazy thing about this though is it really goes to show how that that additional
efficiency is actually I guess a little more impressive than many of us actually gave it credit for because to maintain those types of clocks and only gain up to 10% more performance with what 80% more wattage or 75% more wattage whatever it is that's that's that's huge in terms of showing how how far they've come now this is going to be specifically on the aesa pi 1.2.0 do2 which is going to be available to 600 series and future 800 series motherboards so obvious obviously if you're running a b650 x670 x670 or the upcoming 8 x870
x870 this is going to be a bios toggle so I I assume it would be built into to ryzen master that you can then just reboot the system and it'll be in that mode most people universally hate ryen master so I assume they would just go into the BIOS and toggle that anyway now the crazy thing about this too is they're also talking about the performance optimizations built into windows so this is something that Hardware andbox talked heavily about on Twitter and did several videos about how apparently Windows has been gimping the performance up to
10% for ryzen processors kind of across the board so there was this whole discussion about whether or not uh and and it was about specifically the admin profile the hidden admin profile that exists in Windows where if you were to enable that profile and run your benchmarks on that you would see like a 10% uplift in performance but it wasn't initially people looked at that and said oh man $9 series is being affected by windows but what steveen hardware and box found was that it was actually affecting all 7,000 and 9,000 Series processors and potentially
even some 5,000 and older series processors but so you can't really call this a 9,000 Series optimization it's more of a Windows ver and AMD ryzen with am5 optimization so that's something that's coming out here and these are going to be specifically um with Branch prediction and that's one of the things that was talked about uh with with Steve Steve found that and it kind of sucks because as we're preparing for new CPU launches it means we have to rerun all these tests again and we have to run them again with 105 watt mode I'm
starting to think moving forward with our methodology when it comes to testing these CPUs I'm conflicted because out of the box is going to be 65 Watts we'd like to do outof thebox testing to say if you're a new user if you're new to PC you may not know about this additional mode at all you may never even go to the BIOS and know it's there so do we test both and then have Benchmark numbers for both or do we just go 105 mode anyway I digress so it's the update kb50 41587 it's no longer
optional it's like required for the Windows updates and I'm wondering if that's actually the Windows update that Phil re recently experienced on his system because of the fact that he had updates paused on one of our laptops but it ignored the fact that updates were paused and updated anyway it might have updated this one if it's non-optional uh other thing too is for uh 23 H2 build 22631 4112 or 24 H2 build 2611 1301 or newer so that those are the branch prediction fixes which was SL affecting the ryzen 7000 series processors so if you're
running Windows 11 and you're on a ryzen processor even a 7,000 series processor you're going to want to do these updates because it could be a literal overnight Improvement for latency and an uplift in your 1% lows and your FPS across the board big kudos to the hard hardware and box guys they they did a lot of pioneering on that one and they really leaned heavily on AMD to get this fixed and to find out that this is something that they were already doing in their own lab and by they I mean AMD the fact
that they were already running these tests in admin mode is crazy because of the fact no one should ever run the admin mode as a as a full-time account it is not intended for that purpose at all the last thing you want to do is give any program whatsoever running in Windows full unfettered access to everything in your system that's bad it's one of the reasons why the admin mode is hidden for the admin account anyway moving on so again huge thanks to the hard one box guys for really pioneering that you can see it's
now officially talked about here um something else that they're talking about here also is core to core latency optimizations and this is something that could be big as well for 9,000 Series uh 9900x 950x and 7900x 7900x 3D 7950 X and 7950 X 3D multiple CCD CPUs so we're talking about a increase with that same aasa the 1.2.0 do2 we're talking about a a increase in the latency performance so the problem and one of the reasons why game mode in ryzen master just turns off one of the ccds is doesn't even allow parking it just
says don't exist there's no chance of anything ever getting handed off there um because they know that today they're still dealing with some latency stuff between the ccds and the problem is some very intensive games games that have large worlds or a lot of back ground processes going on within the game that sometimes Force information onto another CCD then that latency can show up and that latency often turns into lower overall FPS which means bottlenecking for your graphics card if you're running like say a 480 490 3090 or a fast graphics card at like 1440p
anytime you have to hand off to the other CCD you're going to notice uh lower FPS across the board so what would happen is that information would get written twice and read twice so we could see a pretty decent up in performance on the uh multi CCD CPUs that are not leveraging core parking so core parking exists on the 950x and the 9900x but not the 7950 X and the 7900x so that's a that's a new thing for 9000 Series processors 7900 x3d 7950 x3d both utilize core parking so it's one of those things where
um core parking this shouldn't end up being a problem but again some games can sometimes go prefer maximum performance which can then throw some information onto the other CCD so any sort of CCD latency Improvement is going to be big it's nice to see these types of improvements coming out later on especially with how well adopted 7,000 series processors have been as well um because of the fact that we know that these are very desirable CPUs they're very strong and for users years later to still be seeing performance uplifts through improvements it's nice to see
so kudos to that there's also some uh changes here coming to x870 motherboards now ddr5 8000 Expo is reportedly going to be stable on these motherboards so that's huge and that whole cross talk latency thing we were talking about with CCD is the faster Ram is also directly related to the infinity fabric which is going to help with that communication so fast Ram it's huge and having better latency between the ccds is definitely going to be one of those uh those uplifts that's nice to see so it AMD is trying to find ways to make
the 800 series motherboard seem more enticing to buyers because I think for most people I've even been suggesting if you're going to go with a 950x or 9900x or 9,000 Series processor go with a 6,000 or 600 series motherboard b650 x670 x70e cuz there's very little I think reasons to buy a more expensive motherboard but if these are some things that are going to be behind say the 800 series firewall or pay wall which is going to be fast Ram support and all that it's time to really evaluate what's important to you when it comes
to uh your motherboard Ram speed I think that's going to be one of the biggest things right there might potentially be Ram Improvement which is interesting because the iodi on the on the CPU handles all that anyway like the memory controller and all that is handled on the CPU so interesting to see here anyway there we'll put it on the screen right here you guys can kind of pause it and take a look you can see what the chipset Family Support is going to be for both 600 series and 800 series and it's got some
yes no optional functions on there so you can see what feature is going to be most important to you but this I think this is a good thing I think the warranteed 105 mode is huge give users the option cuz the only way right now to really push those CPUs and get any sort of performance out of them is to enable PBO unfortunately Precision boost overdrive although a function that is very simple to just toggle on and off in both bios and in ryzen master is a warranty voiding function so I don't know what methods
AMD is using to try and determine if someone's gone an enabled PBO whether it's an euse or I don't know what the what how they're knowing but apparently they're knowing which is why a lot of people get mad about PBO and avoiding warranties my question is going to be if someone's already enabled PBO let's say they even did a manual like 105 watt mode to just make it match previous gen did it trigger the euse is there an euse how does AMD know are they still going to warranty those processors now that enable the new
ctdp of 105 watt so that's my my biggest question for AMD is how are you going to now backwards support CPUs that have been floating around the market now for months that might have already quote unquote voided their warranties through PBO now that you're offering something very similar so I'd love to see some discussion on that and I think given everything that's been going on with Intel right now the best thing for AMD to do would just be like blanket reinstated warranties across the board for everybody if you have a 9,000 Series processor short of
physical damage warrantied that could be the best possible scenario so that's kind of it for today's little news article they talked about this over the on Friday the Embargo lifted today on this information um I feel like this is also AMD scrambling to try and get as much benefit and value to their CPUs that are existing before the x3d CPUs is launch because we know that Intel is launching something here in about a week so I think this is about to be the CPU Battle Royale if you will so we have the ultimate let down
versus the ultimate untrustworthy that's a UFC fight to remember right do you just buy the one that's disappointing or do you just take a chance with the one you can't trust all right guys anyway that's it for today thanks for watching sound off down below if you've got a 9,000 Series processor that uh is going to benefit from the 105 mode I assume there's no reason not to enable it oh one last thing I wanted to mention I feel like personally they should just launch at 105 they should just default 105 65 watt mode should
be the one you can enable I personally feel like you should have a new efficiency mode that enables 65 watt they ship at 105 for Max performance if there's no degradation if the if the die is I mean remember this this this is a separate process from 7,000 Series so we can't just say it is a it's a paper launch or whatever not a paper launch but a a Rebrand right we just can't call it a relabel or whatever because it is a physical different process as long as that process isn't going to show degradation
at 105 and I'm hoping that means it won't which is why they're warrany it let that be the default on these bios and then let efficiency mode be the toggle because most new people almost nobody is going to go into their bios being new to PC and look to turn this mode on they're going to be sitting there with lesser than Optimal Performance that's capable by them just not knowing about it and all of these videos hit reach thousands and thousands of people that is a fraction of the millions and millions of people that are
running these things out in the wild that just do not nerd out about it like we do so AMD please let it be the default 105 that would be my only suggestion on this all right guys thanks for watching sound off down below and as always we'll see you in the next one
