Joe Rogan Experience #2208 - Brigham Buhler

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all [Music] day so so tell me what it's like to testify in front of the Senate what is that like man it was pretty wild uh it all transpired so fast I got a call from uh c means we've become pretty good buddies I know you're having him and his sister Casey on the podcast uh brilliant Folks that are just Patient Advocates I mean at the end of the day uh they had the same experiences I had cie

a little bit different Walk of Life he was a lobbyist Casey was a doctor Stamford trained surgeon uh realized that she was in a system where they didn't really heal people they just treated symptoms and profiteer off disease States and she said there's got to be a better way so their voice rung so loud after I think they did Tucker that uh it led to Momentum and then because of you having me on the podcast that's how I met uh RFK and so Bobby's team had reached out to me maybe about a year and a

half ago to come up to Dallas while he was doing a campaign there and sit down with him and he was just asking a hundred questions about what's going on and what did you see on the pharmaceutical side and what did you see owning pharmacies and billing insurance companies and so when they had an opportunity to put this Team together to testify in front of the Senate the goal was to create a nonpartisan group of individuals to take a new Fresh Approach to what is going on with chronic disease in America uh because the chronic

disease crisis is at an all-time high I mean we could go through all the statistics and I know that Casey and Cali will when they're on here so I don't want to steal their Thunder but it's staggering I mean close to anywhere between 1.7 to 1.9 million People are dying a year of chronic disease we talk a lot about war since the dawn of this country roughly estimated between 1.3 to 1.5 million people total have died in war American lives so in a year we're losing more people to chronic disease than all the wars combined

and we're not talking about it so to me I was excited when they said hey the Senate's willing to to hear and that's the beauty of a democracy they they did let us come in There and candidly take a dump on the senate floor on what's going on with this Healthcare System and really dig into the weeds did anybody try to take the side of the Pharm itical drug industry did anybody question you or try to push back so prior you do a debrief so we did do a round table prior to going into the

communal round table in front of the public eye which they had no idea what was coming they they the the Senate didn't expect it we had Assembled a Grassroots effort to get the word out there and over 2,000 people took off from work these are this is a senate hearing over 2,000 hardworking Americans took time from their busy day flew to DC had to sit in an overflow room to listen to these testimonies and the level of feedback from people from like real humans real world people was staggering I mean people afterwards came up in

tears sharing their story of how the system had let them down or a loved One down Mis diagnosises like all the different issues that they've dealt with trying to navigate this system um and to the Senator's credit you know behind closed doors they they did say you probably don't want to go Ultra hard after the food industry or Ultra hard after the pharmaceutical industry because it may limit our ability to get things done but they did how do they phrase that um they just said you catch more flies with honey than you do Vinegar and

you know me cie and the other folks that said on this panel um you know our goal was to just share our stories and share what we saw and so my my testimony in particular was really more about the human side you know there's so many staggering datas and statistics and numbers but behind all that is a person like that's all I wanted people to understand these are human lives you know when jelly roll testified I think he said this Equivalent to a 747 jet worth of people die of opioids a day and that's insane

and that all started with the lapses in the FDA and the drug regulatory market and we know that you know there's an argument out there I know C released the number of 50 plus per of the fda's funding comes from Big Pharma when it comes to drugs alone 75% of the drug funding comes from the pharmaceutical companies themselves and so there's a big Market there um and with big Pharma Spending over8 billion dollar a year advertising that's more than the entire sum of the fda's budget $8 billion a year just in advertisement imagine how much

they're making so that they can for $8 billion just in advertising yeah it's insane Those ads what I saw Wild the truth is my hope is that people listen and the American people fight we can fight with our pocketbooks we can fight through our choices as Citizens do I have faith that the government's going To fix these problems overnight I don't but at least we're having the conversation and to their credit they let us speak freely they didn't put a censor on us they you know they tried to give us some coaching you know to

say hey if you go this route just understand there's going to be blowback and you know we're here to get progress on these topics not you know burn the house down type deal um and then I did have some and it was it was a bipartisan effort so Some of the senators in the room had mentioned well the American people just want a pill you know they don't really want a solution that they're not they're looking for an easy way out and I pushed back I and it's funny cuz one of the moms that was

there was like oh my God I can't believe you were just dropping F bombs in that meeting but I'm like I think you're [ __ ] wrong I mean after being in healthcare since I was 20 years old what I see is people struggling for Answers people are in the pit of despair who was saying that the American people just want a pill um I don't want to name any names but one of the Senators there was saying in his experience people are looking for the easy way out and and I don't I don't think

that's the case I think people are looking for Hope well here's the thing this show is sponsored by better help it's a really healthy good thing to talk about what you're going through with people the good and The bad don't keep it all bottled up and sometimes it that can be friends or family but it also helps to talk to pros and that's where better help comes in it's therapy that's totally online which makes it so easy to get started you just fill out a few quick questions and they match you with someone to talk

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leads you to believe That there is some sort of a solution in the bottom of a prescription bottle yep and that's not real that's the problem is that they've been misled so long and for so far down the line and here they are chronically ill suffering and they're hoping it's the next pill and that was our Hope was to break down from the start of how do we process these Foods how do we M how do we grow Harvest and what do we do with our soil how what do we do with Our pesticides how

do we bring these products to Market how do we regulate our food industry and that's all new to me that's not my expert my expertise in my testimony was focused on what I saw as a drug rep what I saw as a med device rep what I saw billing insurance companies and that was a part of the talk that we didn't even get to dive deep into but the goal was to explain to the Senate from the food processing growing Harvesting chemical treatments to the packaging to the ingredients we add into our food to the

hospital systems throughout the system front to back the American people are set up for failure in 19 in the 1950s the US had the FDA had approved 700 different ingredients in our food products that's it 700 today there are over 10,000 chemicals in petrochemicals in our food products in the United States in Europe still 700 Jesus and what gets crazier is When food babe she's an influencer right and that that that's been you know crapped on by the media it's it's an unfortunate name food babe but she her she's an advocate and she's just a

voice a mother out there saying hey guys what's wrong with this picture let me show you what's in Froot Loops in America and let me show you what's in Froot Loops in Canada the same manufactur Kelloggs is selling one product to the American people and a Safer less ingredient less chemical filled product outside the United States they have the ability to sell it here but they don't because they know they can sell more addictive more uh colorful vibrant that attract kid food sources here in the US it's so dark and so we walked through all

of that it it blew my mind on the food front and we know you and I have talked like in the Health Care system my main message was we're here to talk about the Boom in chronic Disease we know that food and our environment has a huge impact on that but so does preventative care and so does building an ecosystem that allows clinici to troubleshoot and diagnose and prevent chronic diseases from evolving in the first place these are all metabolically related disease States all the chronic diseases that are killing us can be traced back to

diet lifestyle and nutrition but none of our clinicians are trained on diet lifestyle nutrition That's the hard pill for people to swallow diet lifestyle and nutrition it's it's very hard for people who are addicted to shitty food who are lazy who don't have a history of exercise and you know their lifestyle sucks and they get home from work and they like to drink like all those things are killing you yeah yeah but the you and I have talked about this with some of your comedy friends that have become my friends too to watch The Evolution

you just got to Give people momentum we just got to get some wins on the board we got to give them hope and we've got to start by having the conversation and that's what I was optimistic about for the first time in my adult life the Senate is willing to sit down with a group of individuals and have a deep conversation about where our food comes from how our food is being processed what ingredients are in our food and how that could potentially lead to chronic disease and It it got labeled uh by some of

the I I would say Hatchet job media Outlets that have come out and we can dive into that somebody called it the woo woo yeah I saw that let's dive in first of all [ __ ] you whoever wrote that because there's nothing woo woo about anything you guys were saying yeah that's what's really crazy yeah to say that toxic chemicals that are illegal in other countries but are legal in the United States and there's a reason why they're illegal you Could find all the different things that they do to the body all the different

damage they cause to to say that that's woo woo is so crazy like what did they list as an example of woo woo what's hard is they went immediately at like these are all entrepreneurs that have something to sell you and I can tell you sitting in the room with those people all of us were scared all of us were scared it's scary I I'm not going to make money off of this if anything I Could lose money I have businesses that are under the fda's guidelines are under the fda's oversights I don't want to

upset the apple cart but I also want to tell the truth and I wanted to share what I saw and that was my message was I'm not here to represent the left or the right I'm here to represent Humanity this is not a republican issue this is not a Democrat issue this is a Humanity issue these are people's lives but it's just stunning that people are willing to [ __ ] themselves out to write a hitpiece on someone trying to help human beings find healthier choices and realize the root cause of all the diseases that

we're facing the the woooo article she alludes to how we talked about nothing but metabolic disease and what does metabolic disease have to do with cancer well actually I can tell you it is the number one risk factor obesity and metabolic disease is the number one risk factor to all forms of cancer other than Smoking so if you take smoking and age out of the equation it's your number one risk factor that's what it has to do with it imagine that statement what is metabolic health have to do with these diseases that is so crazy

and the people on that panel too to their credit I was the least qualified of anyone to be in that room and I was there to talk about my experiences as an industry Insider I am not telling you that I am an expert on metabolic disease I can tell you that I'm an expert on [ __ ] because I've been in healthcare long enough to see what they're doing and I know their equation I know their offense but other than me you had Casey means Stanford trained you had uh Dr Palmer a psychiatrist from Harvard

who was breaking down metabolic disease and how it's astronomically impacting the Mental Health crisis in America he one of the stats he dropped on us in that in his testimony was we Are at an alltime high in suicide and death of Despair greater than during the Great Depression more Americans are dying of suicide and death of Despair more than ever more children are being diagnosed with metabolic disease diabetes girls are starting periods years younger like this doesn't I don't need a double blind study to tell you something's wrong just look at the data sound like

a lot I'm hearing a lot of woo woo from You I need some data it's like as we get into that in the in the names they just totally breezed over and they that article tried to make it sound like it's a bunch of influencers and it's like yes there were some people who have social media presences but there were also academics there but also you Stanford and stemman Hawkins you can't dismiss someone who's giving out factual information because they're a so-called influencer some people get into Influencing for a good cause 100% And they have

real valid information and they collect that valid information and distribute it and that's how they get a following and and you know even VA uh vonie is the food babe vonie her battle has helped remove ingredients from certain States stop chemicals in certain food sources they're actually going to march to Kellogg on the 10th of next month to hand a petition signed by over a 100,000 Americans coming out the tail End of that asking them to remove dangerous chemicals that they don't put in food products in other countries and just match it that's all they

were asking hey why don't we just match what you're doing outside the US in all these other countries where they've said these products aren't safe why are we allowing you a mulligan on the US population when it comes to food and they've never been studied that's the Wild Thing the FDA doesn't have the bandwidth to study Every time A new ingredient added to a food source so you and I have gone down the rabbit hole on the fda's attempt to try and regulate and re in Big Industry like big Pharma and big medical and I

know I've told your listeners before over 90% of the products in the operating room have never been through an FDA human safety trial it's it was an entity built at a time to serve a purpose and I just think they're drowning I and I think there's a lot of Industry influence and spit being swapped that can skew decisions and viewpoints and that's dangerous it is dangerous it's dangerous and it's spooky that you get push back after that so let's let's talk about the push back because it was immediately afterwards you start texting me you're like

dude holy [ __ ] these hit pieces are nuts cuz you could see the machine moving against you so you could see that someone saw this Senate hearing realized that it Could potentially have an impact and try to do their best to mitigate those potentially positive effects for the health of American people but it could cost them money so they started pumping money into these media outlets and absolutely and this is what I've seen before owning a compounding pharmacy uh when I went on jilli and Michael's podcast she was she is very opinionated and and

passionate about this and it took me 10 minutes to explain to her That compounding phes aren't bad guys and because she had only heard the corporate media Narrative of compounding pharmacies are dangerous people are getting drugs from these compounding pharmacies that are in garages and they're just willy-nilly making compounds and shipping them into the marketplace and I had to methodically work it through compounding pharmacies fall under the fda's jurisdiction compound my Pharmacy has been inspected Three times in 18 months every single ingredient we buy is an FDA approved ingredient every single compound we compound we

send off to an independent thirdparty lab to verify okay and I say all this just to lay the groundwork we've treated over a million patient lives at was I mean at uh our Pharmacy over a million patient lives Nationwide uh and what they do in that environment is they the media will list any recall any Mistake a far compounding pharmacy makes but sweep under the rug that big pharmaceutical companies like Eli Lily and fizer have moved most of their manufacturing overseas where the FDA has to submit before they can come do an inspection and has

to give them two months notice because they're coming into a foreign country and they've got to get visas and approvals and all these things to come inspect those facilities they can't just walk in like they walk Into my facility and so Lily Eli Lily in particular one of the reasons they're struggling with back orders right now is their facilities have been popped for egregious action by the FDA but none of that is in the public eye you have to scour I think Rutters is the only one that wrote an article but little compounding pharmacy in

Texas recalls 28 vials proactively for a mislabel and the New York Post makes it national news but you didn't cover Eli Lily's Nationwide Issues on all these products or the fact that over 2,000 manufacturing facilities owned by big Pharma haven't been inspected in five or more years it's just not good journalism it's not 8 billion that $8 billion has an effect I'm sure these journalists aren't sitting there watching this Senate here and going you know what I'm outraged I feel like these people are full of [ __ ] I'm going to help the American people

and write this piece criticizing it no They're probably being instructed well she gave us that she sent us and said it was very vague I get a voicemail we want to write an article on your Pharmacy I find out at 3:00 I'm in meetings we draft a response explaining all the things we do to go above and beyond and how our our vision is to bring you know costeffective prescription drugs to the American people for pennies on the dollar typically less than your co-pay or deductible what part of that and in This article at the

end I [ __ ] you not the girl puts and by the way Eli Lily slicing prices by 50% on their weight loss drug that's how the article ends and I'm like how is this not an advertisement and so I looked and now that I've I've seen it when I was a drug rep I saw it when I own pharmacies and Labs I saw it as a device rep but I went and looked and said okay who owns the New York Post and when you peel back the layers to that onion the New York Post

Majority holders of stock are Vanguard Black Rock State Street now let's go look at who are the majority owners into Eli Lily Vanguard Black Rock State Street so the same folks who own the pharmaceutical companies who have the most to gain by keeping the narrative the same and driving America towards the chronic disease crisis and monetizing your chronic disease with all the the things you and I have discussed before whether Pharmacy benefit managers Insurance companies hospitals pharmaceutical companies front to back top to bottom we've lost our way we really have lost our way Joe it's

all about quarterly earnings and quarterly profits and I'm not saying that they're intentionally poisoning the American people to set them up so that they can knock them down I just think it's so siloed and so compartmentalized and everybody's fighting for that extra dollar that quarter that day that month That they're just blocking and tackling and preventing the narrative from rising in their siloed bucket but you have to like in humans we have to take a look out and go hey I'm not just treating your knee or your brain health or your heart health the body

is an organism that works together we have to do a deeper dive to assess where the disease started what caused it and can we uncover the root cause and fix the root cause we have to do the same thing in in Our systems and our protocols and our procedures we know that corporate capture is real we know that corporate capture has somewhat happened with the FDA somewhat happened with Congress and the Senate you know everyone's scared to fight these guys and they can wreck your lives it's scary and it's hard to fight when they control

the media they control all the funding to the advertising on the news networks I mean good luck getting a story out there it's so weird That they've been able to do this for so long in such a Shifty way it really is cuz it there should be laws against that if there's laws against insider trading how's there not laws against manipulating narratives in order to profit at the expense of people's Health yeah and it and to even further highlight the level of corruption and corporate capture uh I sent you and Jamie an article I don't

even remember the news outlet but when you look who Owns that news Outlet okay well it says most of its funding comes from this PR firm then when we go to look at who owns the firm it's Monsanto that owns the pr firm that got this other and it's it's always layered it's never abundantly clear like it's hard uh the other one we talked about was um the Atlantic you know and as I peeled the layers back to the Atlantic it was owned by Bradley who made his money uh being a consultant for big Pharma

and Pharmacy benefit managers He sold a big chunk of his company off to opum which is one of the dirtiest Pharmacy benefit managers out there and we broke that down on your previous podcast the pharmacy benefit managers for those listeners that don't know were established in the 70s and 80s with the goal of driving down the cost of prescription drug care for American but it got captured by the insurance companies so siga Etna CVS Health all of those companies now own these middlemen That are negotiating rebates so it's important to understand because those rebate dollars

are held at that company and they're making billions off of chronic disease billions so if you're on a glp1 weight loss drug for the rest of your life and they've negotiated rebates to the pharmacy benefit plans that they own they're oftentimes holding 40 to 50% of their profitability in a shell company that's not disclosed to the American public or the US government and When they establish a Medicare price point on a drug they base it off of the average wholesale price in America and that's important because they artificially inflated the [ __ ] average wholesale

price and they're giving themselves a rebate on the back end but the government doesn't have line of sight into that and they know it's happening now it's been exposed we we talked about this again on your last five but it's like I think it's the State of Idaho uncovered 230 million in fraud in one year from the pbms one year now multiply that times all the states in the United States oh my God and think about how much money is being made off of keeping people on prescription drugs did you see the article that I

put on my Instagram that they put in the Atlantic is it time to torch the Constitution did you see that I did it's scary same people scary same people they're they're putting a narrative out there to the General public who like oh he makes a good point maybe we should just give up all our power to Satan literally is they're literally saying should we torch the Constitution it's crazy it's scary the only that and I I say this I feel like I woke up and became my grandpa I remember him always bitching about politics and

I'm not political he probably barely knew right you consider how much information was available to your Grandpa I know he just had a sort of a nagging suspicion that it's all corrupt and crooked and I and I'm an idealist I I want to believe that like I want to believe that people are looking for the truth I want to believe that the and I I told you this even even with the doj and what I saw with enforcement bodies when your data sets are corrupt and the only info you're receiving is from Bad sources that

are pushing agendas but those sources also are your Future employment when you come out of government service it just becomes a dangerous dangerous slippery slope and there are often times where enforcement changes legislation through enforcement like right now the DEA is reviewing if they're going to allow tele medicine companies to continue to prescribe testosterone and that's crazy to me because it's like all these issues we have all the chronic disease there is not a testosterone crisis this is not Like the opioid crisis there's not a lot of Divergence or even the gp1 crisis it's yeah

I mean the amount of people that are having side effects of that in comparison to the testosterone thing and that's where you know you and I disagree somewhat on the gop1 Jillian and I disagree on the G Calli and Casey and I disagree on it's okay to disagree there's there's nothing wrong with having different I understand your perspective your perspective is for Chronically obese like really morbidly obese people we need to do something and this is a very good step and it does work and it can help people it is a very good step I'm

the hardcore discipline guy I'm the like what the [ __ ] are you talking about this is something that you can solve just by eating less yeah something you can solve by cutting out sugar cutting out sodas cutting out eating whole ingredient Foods eating fish and Chicken and red meat and vegetables and cutting out all the [ __ ] right SP on real that's a real thing that you can do however if you're 600 lb and if you've gone so far down the wrong road you need a hand you need some help that's where I'm

like if I was pushing an agenda I have a ton to gain by gp1s going gang busters I'm not on that bandwagon I I literally sat there with the Senate meeting and said this is crazy if we government fund prescribe gp1s to Children that's Insanity we need to fix our food products in schools we need to limit soft drinks and advertising to children like there's a million things we could do that are way more logical and reasonable than starting to stick a kid with an injectable they're going to take the rest of their life but

it's not as profitable yeah that's the real problem and and the the advertisements about that they seem to me the same advertisement it's the same feeling I Get when I see advertising about giving babies covid vaccines like what the [ __ ] are you talking about like you're just trying to make money you're not trying to protect babies from Co that's [ __ ] nonsense it's not a problem with them it's just not it's just statistically not an issue it's certainly not an issue for you to be promoting this potentially dangerous dangerous remedy yeah another

example of that is uh that you know we were a foster family growing up so we Had uh up to seven foster kids at a time in my house and I remember uh that the Heep V vaccines that all those little kids had to get and I didn't think about it at the time but again hearing some of my friends like Callie and Casey talk about it the vaccine schedule's crazy because you're giving a child a brand new baby essentially a HB vaccine the only two ways to contract hepatitis B is a a basically you're

injecting drugs or sex sexual activity an infant's not Going to have that so why expose them to the risk factor of a potential adverse event when we know autism rates are through the roof all of these different health issues for children are climbing and at some point we have to assess what we're doing and say isn't there a better way but I know enough about how that system works and how things are negotiated on the back end in the lobby and now it's established and now it's hammered home and then you assemble and You go

have a meet with all the pediatricians Nationwide and you have people a spokesperson that push that agenda and get senators and congressmen and women on the hook to go yes we need these vaccines incorporated as part part of our policy to protect these children and I don't think it's not that it was I don't think everyone's in on it I think people are being duped and it's so siloed that's one of the other things you and I have talked about historically With medicine medicine's so siloed they don't look at the full human body they look

at I'm a knee guy and I'm going to look at the knee or I'm a mental health specialist and I'm going to talk to this patient about their mental health but your mental health is intertwined with your physical health your mental health and and this is what Dr Palmer from Harvard talks about you know if we have metabolic disease and all these metabolic crisis you're it's going to Lead to mental health issues no question well there's been proven studies that show that ssris aren't as effective as exercise by a large measurable amount like exercise is

more effective at curing depression and treating depression than ssris that's a fact yep but you know you can't make money off of someone running around this block unless you sell them sneakers yeah like you'd only sell them one pair of sneakers like every six months well and We're in the what scares me and again not not to [ __ ] on the GOP 1es because we we prescribe gp1s we utilize gp1s they are a tool in the tool belt and when utilized appropriately they can help people but a hammer can kill someone if used inappropriately

and so if we make it our Frontline defense and again we go back to the chronic disease crisis in America and we say okay the Food Systems broke then the people end up chronically ill then we don't really Assess people until in our in our our assessment Tools in a primary care Market are based off a sick patient population if we base the demographic off the average American that is dying of chronic diseases and that is our measuring stick then why are we shocked when we continue to have a boom in people dying of chronic

diseases and being diagnosed with chronic diseases cancer all-time high there I think there's going to be 2 Million new cases of cancer diagnosed this year every single chronic disease is through the roof the system is not working I want to talk about you because one of the things that's interesting about this is like you were unhealthy at one point in time and you were overweight and this is how you kind of started this journey maybe a lot of people aren't aware of that yeah like you weren't you you had to learn all this stuff and

you had to learn all this Stuff to your own personal Health crisis yeah I was um what was I 20 9 30 years old uh early 30s and I was 25% body fat pre-diabetic headed towards all the same chronic diseases that we're talking about and I what was your diet like uh my diet I had well originally my diet was terrible it was a traditional American diet right so I I was a surgical rep and I had to be in the O by 7 A.M and so I would go do CrossFit every morning then I'd

go to the O I'd Be in cases all day I would eat whatever I could I would drink a Starbucks frappuccino not realizing there's 1,800 calories of sugar and chemicals and no nutrients I just didn't know and I grew up in a family again a foster family where we were middle class America but in maybe it was the 80s eating healthy was like eating wheat bread instead of white bread it was eating uh lowfat laay potato chips and a Diet Coke that's literally what my family thought was Healthy and that's a lot of Americans they

don't know and and you just you just stay with what you're indoctrinated into so I started seeing a nutritionist in my 30s and I did lean down and I lost weight and I was getting healthier and I was headed the right direction and I was still training but he was like if you're doing everything I'm saying and so let me take a step back I would go to a primary care and it would take three months to get in with a primary care Then they would just pull a basic lipid panel and then I would

say well can we look at my hormones no no we don't need to look at hormones we're going to look at your lipid panel we're going to do a a wellness check well that doesn't include hormones in this country it's not a deep dive because they're scared to do that because the insurance companies control what they'll reimburse and not reimburse and so clinicians in this country are terrified to do the Deep dive and they only have six minutes with you so they got to get you in and out of there right long story short six

months later still fat still trying to lose weight working out every day seeing a nutritionist nutritionist said I want to refer to you to Urology buddy uh Dr Larry lipshultz who's one of the Godfathers of Urology and hormone optimization in the United States and when I went and met met with Larry he was shocked after he pulled my blood Work and was we actually did it twice cuz he just didn't believe my readings and my testosterone level after seeing him was 98 oh my God it's it's insane and he like a woman but I know

it was terrible and so he's like of course you're he's like I don't know if if you're fat because yeah I told this story before I don't know if you're fat because you have low testosterone or if you have low testosterone cuz you're fat but you are fat with low testosterone And so that was my Baseline and through just were you eating then when you went to the nutrition then I was using the nutritionist but then it was a question of was the whole did I dig too big of a hole and then I was

in the question is are you overtraining and you're crashing what little hormones you have left and your body's trying to get ramped up so we ended up treating at the time with HCG and chop let me ask you this what what did nutritionist tell you to do oh We prioritize protein one gram of protein per pound of lean muscle mass we cleaned up my diet if you make protein the basis of your diet because you need a gram of protein per per pound of lean muscle mass to maintain if you're trying to gain lean muscle

mass you have to up that protein intake and then based off diet and or lifestyle and activity level and so we would prioritize my carbs through certain times of the day we would keep me at a caloric deficit and We'd prioritize protein in that caloric deficit and what you'll find is mind-blowing you aren't as hungry if I don't eat uh a muffin and a Starbucks coffee loaded with sugar I don't have that insulin response that causes the hunger cravings a few hours later where I'm back to eating another unhealthy meal choice right if you eat

protein first eggs hearty heavy Foods dense nutrient packed Foods your appetite is suppressed is a natural appetite you Can't overeat it's really hard to overeat meat it is and so we prioritize proteins healthy proteins like chickens fish um all of those sources and then healthy carbs get away from sugars whites starch is prioritize healthy uh carbohydrate sources that are slower burning that allow you to metabolize the protein that your absorb fruits and vegetables so how much weight did you lose that way I literally went uh well starting on diet I probably lost about Half of

the weight that I was trying to get off um so I know body fat percentage he got me from 25 down to about 15 and then when we added hormone optimization um not testosterone at the time it was HCG chopine which boost your natural testosterone levels being monitored by a clinician within physiological Norms right to try and make sure that we're optimizing my health not trying to get jacked and tan like it literally helped me go from 15 to at the time I think I Dropped down to around 7% and I did not change anything

I was working out the same way eating the same way 7% is very lean yeah and now I walk around 12 to 15 that's sustainable and I think in my 40s that's that's a level that makes sense to me but but I think the way to do that is you don't wait for people to get chronically ill I should have never been at 25% body fat if we were getting proactive and predictive and we were truly doing deep dives into individuals And taking the time for our clinicians in this country to sit down and assess

you at the biological level then we can prevent these chronic diseases and I'm not talking about through pharmaceutical intervention we can prevent these through diet lifestyle nutrition and helping teach the patient that there's a better way and if we need to involve pharmaceutical intervention it's there there's there's options out there that can help patients Kickstart their their Health and wellness especially people in their 40s so when you did this how much time did it take overall from the original nutrition intervention to hormone optimization like how much time are we talking about it took about a

year and and that's where what gets crazy with the insurance model so a lot of people don't know this like most insurance carers in the US don't practice preventative so testosterone would be Considered a lifestyle drug the challenge with like an issue like the DEA if they really do overregulation because primary carers don't want to prescribe it right and so they're going to punt them off to a urologist typically for an insurance company to cover it you've got to have two or more fast blood test of a testosterone below 250 NS per deciliter so that's

a chronically ill man I mean that's to come back twice I mean that's Going to take you six months to get in with that urolog that's in a dream world so just to get the insurance coverage you're talking 6 months to a year and by then that patient has been chronically ill headed towards mon metabolic disease diabetes you know we know that testosterone is important to insulating us from certain types of cancer uh it's important to our uh metabolic Health our bone mineral density our lean muscle mass all of these tie into Health and Longevity

and health span and preventing chronic disease do you think that the reason why they make it very difficult to get hormone optimization is because if more people get hormone optimization more people are not on these medications I think somewhat yes but I also think the insurance model is the insurance model is an obstructionist model right and so I can give you a different example with the opioid crisis you know there were non-addictive Non-abusive pain creams okay if somebody is going to be put on they have an ACL surgery they're in pain I'm not here to

say there's no need to ever have a pain pill but in those instances there were Alternatives that are non-abusive non- addictive what are the Alternatives there were ketamine based pain creams that were topicals that could not be diverted or uh you couldn't extrapolate the ketamine out of it and abuse it so nobody ever got high or stimulated from It because it's a cream that you can't extrapolate the ketamine out of so you could not abuse it you couldn't divert it if you wanted so it just works locally it just works locally to address that knee

pain Insurance within 12 months quit covering it because those creams cost hundreds of dollars whereas an opioid is like I think $10 a month right and then the other thing you'll find is the pharmacy benefit managers who the insurance companies own have Reimbursement deals on certain drugs so when you get a drug it's not because it's the best drug or the most efficacious drug it's because the PBM Pharmacy benefit manager has negotiated a rebate and decided to place that drug on tier one or tier two based off their financial incentive in that drug testosterone's been

on the market so long it's compounded a million places there is no rebate for the big pharmaceutical companies or the big uh Insurance companies on testosterone right and so it's just an additional cost and so the more they can obstruct things that cost money but don't pay dividends back to them they'll put obstructions in the way so another example is not only did they shut down alternatives to opioids during an opioid crisis they also cut lab reimbursements on toxicology screenings at the same time that we're on an opioid Bender as a nation they got Rid

of the safety net which was if you come into a pain clinic asking for opioids they're going to make you do a toxicology screen to make sure that you're not abusing other drugs that you're not diverting the drug that this medication's actually in your system all of those reimbursements used to be covered by insurance companies but they got rid of that and so as soon as they got rid of that there was no checks and balances and so it is layered it's very Nuanced it's never as simple as yes or no and I and I'm

just I'm telling you what I saw I'm just trying to tell what I saw I'm not saying I have all the an like a hedger that's there but I mean that's all highlighted in that Netflix documentary that Peter Berg made about the Sackler family which is not documentary would you call it docu drama series that [ __ ] series is so enraging and after that you know that one guy that they kept in a hotel room For like two days of the FDA who knows what they did for that guy to that guy what the

[ __ ] did they do to him where they got him to approve that they found that guy the guy was in a small town in New Hampshire and they ostracized him people were just the sheriff was like trying to highlight how many people in the community had died of opioid overdose and how much blood was on his hands well he took a job with the sackers yeah he worked at the FDA Approved that took a job with sacers which I know we beat that horse dead too but 13 out of the 15 last out

of the last 15 heads of the FDA 13 have gone to work for industry you know and that's tough that puts everyone in a tough position if we're going to allow people to work one place one month and then go work for the bad guys the following month can we regulate how is that legal a lot of people don't know the sackers that was their second time creating a Crisis in America in the 70s they created the volume crisis they got all the women I think it was one in three housewives were addicted to valum

in the 70s and Congress the sackers were uh Congress went after the sackers then and they ended up taking a settlement and they paid their way out of it slap on the wrist no criminal charges ever brought forward and they rode off into the sunset after creating this volume crisis of the late 70s early ' 80s oh my god um Jamie pull up that that tweet that I sent you from Jay bataria so Michael pollen um you know he's uh highlighted the dangers of uh pesticides the USDA funded a PR organization that work with agricultural

interests to downplay the harms of pesticides and farming and to compile defamatory dossier days on opponents of pesticide use including food writer Michael pollen just Imagine that the USDA spends money to defame people using your tax dollars spends money to defame people that are trying to tell you that there's poison in your food yeah measurable amounts something along the lines of 90 plus% of Americans have round up in their system they have glyphosate in their system from crops one of the things I learned too 5% of the human brain mass and weight is now made

of uh is now Plastics we Learned that in the hearing too 5% blew my mind never heard that statistic it's terrifying revealed the US government's funded private social network attacking pesticide critics so what does it say about this uh 2017 two United Nations experts called for a treaty to strictly regulate dangerous pesticides which they said were a global human rights concern which by the way uh Roundup is illegal in a lot of countries citing scientific research showing pesticides can cause Cancers Parkinson's disease Alzheimer's and other health problems publicly the pesticide Industries lead trade Association dubbed

the recommendations unfounded and Sensational assertions but what's crazy is this is Monsanto which is also Bayer and we talked about that this this is the company that knowingly infected people with HIV and shipped it to third world countries because they their their uh hemophilia Drug had been contaminated and they knew they'd get busted if they shipped it in the US so they shipped it to third world countries and knowingly infected thousands of people with HIV and we're trusting these people look look what it says here publicly the pesticide industry's lead trade Association dubbed the recommendations

unfound inal assertions and and Private Industry Advocates have gone further derogatory profiles of the two un Experts uh Halal Elver and basa tonck tonak tonak are hosted on an online private portal for pesticide company employees and a range of influential allies members can access a wide range of personal information about hundreds of individuals from around the world deemed a threat to Industry interests including the US food writers Michael pollen and mark brittman the Indian environmentalists vanana Shiva and the Nigerian activist you say that one n how Do you say that how do you think you

said that name Nasi Nimo Nasi NE Neo Nimo bossi uh many profiles include personal details such as the names of family members phone numbers home addresses even house values the profiling is part of an effort which is financed in part by US taxpayer dollars to downplay pesticide dangers discredit opponents and undermined international policymaking according to court records emails and other documents obtained by The nonprofit Newsroom Lighthouse reports it corroborated with the guardian the new lead leemond Africa Uncensored and Australian broadcast Corporation and other International Media Partners on the publication of this investigation the efforts were

spearheaded by a reputation management firm in Missouri called V fluence the company provides services that it describes as intelligence gathering proprietary Data Mining and risk Communications the revelations demonstrate how industry Advocates have established a private social network to counter resistance to pesticides and genetically modified crops in Africa Europe and parts of the world while also denigrating organic and other alternative farming methods wow wow I mean it it doesn't it's just I think it was Jason during the testimony he said and this resonated with me do we need double blind studies to know that Chemicals we

spray on pesticides and chemicals we spray on fields that cause disruption in mitochondria of insects and Destroy them at the cellular level might possibly can we at least say might possibly create some sort of isue no that's unfounded other biological beings unfounded that's an unfounded assertion more than 30 current government officials are on the membership list most of whom are from the US Department of Agriculture this is so crazy it's so crazy that this is so blatant and that your gives me they were willing to talk that does give me hope Joe like the Senate

they took a risk man they took a risk they allowed us to come in they did say hey we recommend you don't go to too hard in the paint and everyone said [ __ ] that and they just Dro bombs like they they know they're insiders from their space and they know the only way it's going to affect people is these viral Video clips have to go online and people have to share them on Facebook and Instagram and Twitter thank God they can you know because who who knows if the government could clamp down on

it the way they have in other countries other countries have severely cramp clamp down and there's been some real issues in America but America still is the best place to distribute information Ian X is banned in Brazil right now right there's there's a lot of shenanigans going on All throughout the world where people are trying to control narratives and it's [ __ ] spooky it's spook if we look at it if we really look at it if it wasn't for you I would have never met RFK and if it wasn't for coming on your show

I would have never got my message out there if it wasn't for Tucker's podcast cie would have never got his message out there and Casey well it wasn't for you you know how banged up I'd be dude How many times you've helped me with stem cells I you know I I talk about it all the time but I know there's a gentleman that I'm friends with that just been talking to who's going he's about to go to a disc he's getting his discs fused and I'm like Jesus have you looked into other options have you

looked into stem cells I mean you could go to Tijana and I know those guys at the CPI have treated many people including my friend Shane Dorian he had Fantastic results my friend Tom land in Utah as well he went down there and got his spine injected fantastic I tell people all the time like I I I love CPI I love all these guys like All Ships rise and fall with the tide we're in this together our battle is not each other our battle is the federal government you're very very good about that I think

that's very important to say that you know you're not like a competitor of these people You feel like there's more than enough for everybody and you're more than happy that these people are around I'm just glad there's a voice because we've got to get the message out there that there are alternatives and it's almost like a fairy tale that they've told the American people that hey if it's an FDA approved product and it's in a hospital or your doctor tells you it's good as gold it's science and it's not a lot of it's never been

Researched a lot of these doctors unfortunately are ignorant as to all these other remedies that are effective I can tell you working with primary carees there's some of the hardest working most patient focused folks out there and they're just tired they're beat down they're exhaust exhausted they've got to see 40 people a day most of them are now employees of a hospital and so the hospital doesn't really care about the primary Market because it Doesn't make money the reason you have the primary care Market is to control the referral Network to the hospital system and

so they need those primaries referring knees shoulders elbows Hearts spine you know brain neurosurgeries that's where the money is made that's where they can really Bill insurance companies and get big reimbursements but but I think it's also what I was saying that a lot of these doctors aren't aware that this stuff works I told you about My shoulder injury when I went to the doctor he told me you are going to have to have surgery yeah for you're going to have to bite the bullet one day and have surgery and I was like [ __

] he goes you could try other things and it might help you for a little while but you're going to have to have surgery the only thing that gave him pause is when he did the strength tests with me where he pushed down on my arm and did all that kind of [ __ ] but I just think that's cuz the Muscle around the damage joint was strong and so he was like well you know you're pretty functional mhm he goes the MRI you shouldn't be able to do all this stuff according to your MRI

we still battle that I can tell you GSP he's coming in again this week and he he's talked about us I think on Europe pod he's posted about us he's the man he's amazing but he when I met him he was a skeptic and he said I know I'm talking to you because of Joe but like my doctor Said this is [ __ ] I'm up in Canada and he said that there's no such thing and that I have to have surgery to fix this shoulder we fixed his shoulder he he's posted about it he

never had surgery he went back in the doctor's like I don't know what you're doing and there are dozens of NFL athletes we've worked with I don't think any of them other than Aaron Rogers has told their doctor that they're working with us like bigname athletes but they're scared of The team doctor yeah well kudos to Aaron because the team what doctor was trying to tell him to avoid all that stuff including stem cells yeah it's just nuts and I think the doctors aren't doing it because they're bad people I think they don't know I

think they don't have time to do the Deep Dives most doctors how much peer-reviewed literature do you think most doctors who are in orthopedic surgeons who are in practice how much are they absorbing how much time do they Have between malpractice insurance between Medical School bills that they're in debt with between the overhead that they have to run their practice I mean they have to get people in and out of the office quickly well and you also go back to who funds studies and who funds I when I worked at as a med device rep

I can tell you we funded studies but those studies were going to be focused on and geared towards moving our products of course And so we didn't have a stem cell or biological product because we sold hardware and we wanted ACL surgeries shoulder surgeries knee surgeries CU that's how the company made its living um and so again it wasn't that we were against it or trying to destroy it it was more of if you can trivialize it and focus on what makes you your check that's where everyone's at and everyone's so compartmentalized it's easy to

almost have plausible Deniability so like somebody comes in with to a primary care and they're overweight and they're diabetic and they're anxious and they're not sleeping the doctor's going to write them five drugs and push them out the door not because they're a bad person but because that is how we teach clinicians to practice medicine in this country right that is the dogma of the situation we're in they're taught prescribe first ask questions later rather than Deep dive Understand the root cause of the disease let's understand what is this person like the question you asked

me what are you eating how much sleep are you getting are you getting sunlight are you stressed time corre this is this is the issue if you want to move people in and out of the office all this takes time one of the things that you guys do it waste to well is you do comprehensive blood analysis you know when I sit down with Denise my eyes glaze over and it's My body you know and I'm deal it's like God there's so many details to cover there's so many things but by following those directions I've

noticed a a giant difference in My overall health you know it's amazing it is amazing and it's just it's unfortunate that this kind of resource is not available to more people where more people don't have access to a doctor that's going to look at them comprehensively look at their whole body as an like if you're going to take care Of your yard if you're trying to glow grow plants in your yard and you know your trees are all dying your vegetables weren't growing if you had the resources you can go to a botanist or you

could go to someone who understands farming someone who's a scientist and you could say what's wrong and they could do soil analysis and they you know my friend Steve actually did this he was trying to put a um Steve renella was trying to put a garden in his house in Brooklyn and They found that Leed gasoline from all those years from like the 1960s all those years where they used leaded gasoline in Brooklyn you know because it's polluted all that [ __ ] had gotten so deep in the soil that it was this his backyard

was contaminated with leaded gasoline and so you have to do a detox on the backyard so there's certain plants that you can plant that can help in that process there's certain treatments to The soil that can help in that process why aren't we doing that with the body if you could if you do that with your backyard if you do that with your back think about it I can give you another example like one of the tests we do and and I don't promote it it's expensive and it's because the lab we use is expensive

but it is amazing and it's it's a cancer screening and so we in our healthare system today only screen for essentially proactively five different Types of cancer tumor-based cancers okay well there's a blood test that can screen for over 200 tumor-based cancers and it can tell you when you're at a uh when at level zero right un undistinguishable because usually how they're diagnosing is through uh Imaging and so the challenge with imaging is pixelation right the image can't capture the cellular level blood work can so at the cellular level we can tell you when you're

at stage zero on a cancer up to Seven years prior to you developing cancer on over 200 different types of cancer why would that not be implemented into our Health Care system or at minimal what I argued with the senator about was okay let's just say we can't afford this for all Americans why in the hell wouldn't we at minimal be doing this for our firefighters are military veterans we know that over 70% of firefighters and military veterans will devot velop cancer in their lifetime It's staggering because of dealing with Ballistics and weapons and guns

and all those are carcinogens firefighters are dealing with smoke and smoke inhalation and all the different chemicals they come in contact with I never thought about that in terms of guns like shooting guns like what when you shoot guns like if you go to a range and shoot guns like how much toxic chemicals are you absorbing yeah it's well all that gets in your skin and and gets absorbed Through the skin so there are there's carcinogens in all of things and it's especially indoors right like an indoor range versus an outdoor range and it's disproportionate

our Our First Responders in our military personnel disproportionately have have higher cancer rates especially firefighters yeah think about all the things that they breathe in that are on fire I mean look at how many veterans have suffered because of burn pits yep which is an Insane thing that they did they said oh we have all this garbage what's the most cost- effective way to get rid of it let's make a massive fire that runs 24 hours a day and throw tires in it [ __ ] plastic everything whatever the [ __ ] you got laying

around throw it in that burn pit oh and when the wind blows and that [ __ ] goes straight through Camp that's what everybody's breathing Y and who knows how many people develop cancer because of that I know multiple people That I know personally that have developed severe illnesses and even died because of that well and you can even see when we talk about diet and food and environment it's even happening wasn't it Biden's son didn't he develop a I I think he developed a disease disas that was theorized that it came from Burn pits

oh I don't know see if you can find that I believe that's true I believe he served it wasn't meth no that was the other son one son was a good guy Biden Addresses possible link between son's fatal brain cancer and toxic military burn pits isn't that insane his own son so crazy so he couldn't even protect his own son I mean he's a powerful politician well we tried to like that was the message I wanted people to get it yes we were talking to Senators but the truth is we were talking to the American

people and it was guys we don't have my thing to the public is I'm not here to tell you that I have the answers To the test I'm here to tell you I have the questions to the test yes and I'm telling you what I saw and I'm being honest and I'm trying my best I am not [ __ ] political Left Right different Wings to the same bird like I will say right now the right is talking about this because of Bobby Kennedy and I know that Trump is wanting to meet next week as

a as a health Expo to dive in and try and understand from people in the industry what's going on behind the Scenes and how we're headed towards this chronic disease crisis but what gets scarier is if we don't get this under wraps we've got a rapidly aging patient population we have a rapid decline in the amount of primary cares you know I talked about this last time we're going to have a 30% shortage in primary cares and it already takes 3 months to get in with a primary care we're headed over a Cliff we've got

to get chronic disease under control in this nation and we got To do it fast and I want to say something too there's a lot of people that vly disagree with a lot of this stuff and there's a lot of people online like the people that write the Articles the woo woo stuff they just don't know there's no way they actually knew what was going on in a comprehensive way and was still write those articles you would have to be evil I don't think those people that are writing those articles are evil I think they're

doing a job and I think they're being directed and I think they're being directed by people that have a vested interest in this information just like we talked about with that USDA thing there's they have a vested interest in this information being dismissed and there's money behind it there's a financial interest they try to say if we can't agree on one topic that we have to disagree on all topics and that's the most frustrating thing to me my neighbor is amazing she's an Amazing person she sent me a message and was like you know Bobby

Kennedy sold out and blah I'm not I don't care about the Maha movement and I'm like this isn't about Maha or Trump or any this is about she's hardore liberal yes but I'm like this is about people though and don't let them fool you don't let fo I agree I don't agree with the Republicans on half of things just the problem is Trump as a person people just react to him in the like the most negative way yeah and they Are fully convinced that all of his negative character traits all these negative things are are

unbefitting to a president and therefore he shouldn't be president I I I think anybody who wants to be president is [ __ ] insane they're all insane I think it's just like kind of everybody else that's a leader in almost every industry I think they're insane people I don't think you get to the top of any Heap unless you're out of your [ __ ] mind and you could Be out of your mind in a vicious um sort of a demeaning attacking all your enemies way like Trump is MH and it's still the same drive

is what led that guy to deal with this [ __ ] for four years where they were trying to put him in jail so that he doesn't run again and still run again and they try to kill him twice and he's still running it's like you I think I mean I I don't know he's a way braver man than I am cuz I would retire on an island it's a different Kind of human and my point is the only way you get someone who's not affected by that is you have to have an insane person

mhm it's literally the best tool for the job cuz everybody else all the the the the different Tri the 34 counts where which were not felonies which they upgraded from a misdemeanor which passed the statute of limitations all of them were bookkeeping errors or mis mislabeling things which is illegal they're minor offenses that would not Get anybody prosecuted much less put in [ __ ] jail real potential for him being in and people want him to put him in jail they want to put him in jail for a long [ __ ] time and it's

crazy you're doing this at the same time where ice admits that what what are the numbers of murderers and and convicted criminals that have made it into this country it's something bananas and this is just verified this is verified data do you know what it is Jamie cuz I could Find it cuz somebody somebody sent it to me and I I I literally couldn't believe it's real so I'll send it to you and you could find out if it is real because if it's true it's [ __ ] bananas and the the just the sheer

numbers they're scary these are scary numbers man it's like no one thinks this is a problem and I'm not I'm look I am the product of immigration my grandparents came here at a time where it was very easy to come here and I just sent you a screenshot see if you Can find out if it's true um it was very easy to come here and a lot of people who came here were criminals you know look a lot of people my family were criminals you know they were Italians in the 1920s it was just a

lot my grandmother went to jail you know when I was a kid my grandmother went to jail for a bookm yeah know when you watch The Godfather the original Godfather it's the ties to Italy and how intertwined all that is is wild and That's based on like somewhat based on reality my grandmother's sister murdered her husband so yeah I grew up I had a these are wild people these are people that came over on a [ __ ] boat before YouTube they didn't even know what it was like over here they took a they took

a chance so I am completely sympathetic to to immigrants but you can't let in [ __ ] gang members okay there got to be some kind of screening you want to make it easier to get in for people that Are hardworking people that just want a better job I'm with you yeah I'm with you just make it easier for them to get in make it easier for the people that have been here for 20 years to become citizens make yes I know people I know a kid who was she's 28 now she was born in

America but her no she was born in mexic ago but her parents brought her over here when she was a baby so she doesn't speak Spanish she has been in America her whole [ __ ] life and she's not an American citizen so she can't vote she's Limited in the kind of jobs she can do it's [ __ ] weird it's weird that we do that but yet my grandparents just came over on a boat and [ __ ] they write a piece of paper and they're in it's nuts like we should have a screening

process to keep evil people out that's it everyone else look you imagine if you're in Guatemala wouldn't you want to come over here and get a job as a landscaper [ __ ] you could make 600 bucks a week 700 Bucks a week oh my God and then you live in a family in a house with a bunch of people which they're used to doing anyway and then someone branches off and makes their own business and all a sudden you're live in the American dream right this is what we all want for everybody yeah that's

there's there's enough for everybody but you can't let in murderers yeah there's got to be this is crazy and you can't like let them in and ship them to swing state And then try it's just so in your face ship them to swing States and then there's all this talk now of amnesty for all the people that came in well I'm all for amnesty for the people that have been here their whole life like this this girl that I know who's 28 years old now I'm all for that yeah yeah that makes no sense she

should be American she's a [ __ ] American she pays sales tax and all this other tax yeah yeah those people but there Should be some sort of a screening process you know if you're in [ __ ] gangs that bring in fenel hey maybe maybe we shouldn't let that guy in and this is the whole idea of having borders in the first place and what it's shocking is if you try to come here legally it's very difficult I've had friends from Canada like comedians from Canada that want to move to America and it's a

long [ __ ] process to become an American citizen it's difficult and you Got to do homework you got to [ __ ] you got to you got to answer tests but if you just walk in in they'll give you money they'll house you they'll give you an EBT card they'll give you food stamps what the [ __ ] are we doing well we must be doing something so it's either one of two things either we want cheap labor and this is what Tim Dylan thinks he thinks that the the cheap labor market for construction

and all these jobs that most people don't want to do anymore It's falling off a cliff and the best way to sustain those Industries is to bring in cheap labor and the best way to do that is to bring in migrant workers because they're willing to do jobs that a lot of people won't and this is the posit positive side of like Springfield Ohio where people talk about the Haitians that move there the people that employ these Haitians say these people are hard workers they're so happy to be here they want the American dream that's

Great that's what we want we want more of that that's all good but you can't make it insanely difficult for a college educated person from Norway to move here because they want to do literally like when chamath was on he explained that when he was over here going through his Visa process they had to show that he was doing something that an American couldn't do you have to be someone of exceptional skill oh that's wild a very difficult person to find yeah and then Then you could get a passport and then I mean you can

get a green card and eventually became a US citizen but it's a long process and a difficult process cuz every year where you go to get your visa renewed you're at the whim of this person who knows if they had a bad day you know who knows their [ __ ] wife just started [ __ ] the mailman and they found out about it and she drained bank account and he's like [ __ ] you go back to Canada you know they can do that To you they can do that to you at a whim

but if you walk in you know n bu a wildlife photographer uh for uh Cabella and he I can't he's somewhere from somewhere over in Russia but he it literally took him years to get his citizenship and he would he became friends with the girl who worked at the guy who approved his desk and would literally message her and she be like nope not today no not today and he waited for a day when the guy was having A great day and went and had his meeting and he got his citizenship but it took him

years and now he's working here for Cabella shooting Wildlife photography and living the dream and he grew up reading in Russia reading these books about the Great West and like he wanted to be a cowboy and he tells these stories but he is an example of somebody who believes in the American dream and that's that's where I go difficult for them to acquire it's difficult so let's See what it says here Department of Homeland Security spokes turd Newsweek the data in this letter is being misinterpreted the data goes back decades it includes individuals who entered

the country over the past 40 years or more the vast majority of whose custody determination was made long before this Administration okay so but you are still saying that those people are here uh noted that his letter that ice is bound by statutory requirements Not to release certain non-citizens from its custody during the pendency of removal proceedings he added that most noncitizens who are convicted of homicide are typically not eligible for typically not eligible for release from Ice custody they're like listen if you [ __ ] kill people if you're an illegal ala and you

sneak across border and you kill Americans how about nobody's eligible for release how about that let's just start with that well I mean Think if you're felon in the United States you're not allowed to vote so wouldn't it make sense that we don't accept you know somebody with a criminal record into the United States like we have you know we have a lot of fights that we're already fighting and a lot of budgetary restraints as a society that we can't really dig ourselves out of the hole with right now but we have so much money

for Ukraine it may be shocking to hear the Biden Harris Administration is Actively releasing tens of thousands of criminal illegal aliens into our communities but their own numbers conclusively prove this to be the case this defies all common sense read a statement Newsweek has contacted the Harris campaign for comment via email outside of standard working hours oh huh what does that mean they what what is standard working hours they oh that's why they didn't get back to him it was outside of standard working hours the Email arrived at 5:15 put that back up again um

apartment Department of Homeland Security spokesperson told Newsweek the date in this letter is oh this is the one that said it's been so this is a Department of Homeland Security spokesperson says it's being Mis Mis misused um scroll that down scroll that down a little bit further see what it says there uh Congressional Republicans voted against them twice Democratic presidential Kennedy added we took executive action to reduce unlawful border crossings see this is the the thing that gets weird it's like you know they say that Trump the the Biden Administration is trying to say that

Trump blocked um some sort of uh border wall bill because he wanted it to be something that he could campaign against it so he instructed the Republicans to vote against it it's it's there's so much that kind of [ __ ] I don't know If that's true or not but it's the possibility of that being on the table that I'm not accusing anyone of doing that but imagine a world where it's a a person could conspire and I'm not saying they did but a person could conspire to make something happen because that would be something

that they could campaign against look what you did and that's how dirty this game is that's why nobody wants to do it unless you're [ __ ] crazy unless you're crazy like Trump and He just waits he sent Mark cubin a letter when Mark Cuban's um television show failed in like 2004 or whatever the [ __ ] it was and someone posted it on Instagram today see if you can find it Jamie but it's so petty it's so petty and the fact that he signed it and sent it to him took time out of his

day to type or have someone draft a letter yeah probably didn't type it himself have someone draft the letter and send it to Mark Cuban in the mail Yeah but it takes that kind of a person to to literally make their way through the system this the the the only way you get through all these attacks and we've seen the full force of it it's like we've seen all the Orcs that were hiding in the forest they all came out the level of hell that those people go through like this is the letter this is

from 2004 uh Mr Mark cubin dear Mark I'm truly sorry to hear that your show has been Canceled for lack of ratings when I initially called you to congratulate you on the benefactor little did you or I realize how disastrous and embarrassing it would be it would turn out for you if you ever decide to do another show please call me and I'll be happy to lend a helping hand with best wishes Savage what a Savage what a but what a crazy backhanded why I don't I mean what beef I don't they must have some

kind of beef they Had a long they've had a long beef what is the beef about the guy's hilarious that is hilarious it's hilarious that he takes time out of his day yeah not just like say good [ __ ] that guy that show got canceled takes time out of his day yeah to write like a a consolator I'm sorry sorry this happened to you man yeah you [ __ ] loser like literally writes it in there it the whole thing is wild because but what's hard is people use those things to distract us and

to Divide us and like even with my neighbor I know we agree on 80% of the things it's like hey I'm not against or for anyone like I'm not against Kamala I'm not against Trump I'm I'm for team Humanity I am for can we work together to solve the problem and whoever wins whether Trump or Kamal I hope that we can continue the momentum in the dialogue and I hope that you know we can truly have an open conversation that gains traction and what I love about it Being public is it's forever memorialized in public

record I think we there's no hiding it yes and I think it it will and especially in today's day with I've seen so many videos sent me of your testimony and I've I've had them recommended to me on Instagram too from accounts that I don't even follow so it's getting around but I I I think what's also interesting is that social chaos uh it unveils things it unveils things About human beings and that is one of the benefits of having a guy that you can decide is Hitler like even though half the country loves him

half the country loves that dude maybe more than half the country now there's a lot of Silent loves that guy people because they realize like there's not a lot of other options out of this other than a [ __ ] crazy person who would write Mike Cuban Mark Cuban a letter like that you you need to be insane to pull this Off yeah and you might need to be insane in a way that you or I would find distasteful it is insanity because even at a smaller level just testifying in front of the Senate the

level of hate and just like misrepresentations of truth I I don't even want to call it lies but to me it's lies the level of like misrepresentation and taking things out of context and it just it just doesn't seem genuine and it doesn't seem like people are really Fighting for truth they're fighting to gen you were genuinely shook by it but I told you what I told you is the truth nobody cares don't read it nobody cares don't read anything about yourself even good things nobody cares people know what the [ __ ] is going

on they get to hear you talk in in forms like this they get to hear you actually talk and lay it out they know who the [ __ ] you are all this is all just noise but the good thing about this kind of noise this this Social chaos is it unveils all this corruption it unveils the Orcs that are Hing hiding in the forest you you you've see it and I am convinced if they know the efficacy of you of foreign countries using social media Bots to attack people they know that that works they

know that that shift narratives especially for people that are sitting on the fence they know all that stuff works if you don't think that there's companies in America that We're not aware of that organize social media campaigns and have Bots attack certain individuals like yourself for you know having a dangerous narrative if you don't think that you're crazy you're insane to me Joe is what part of saying hey we need to better understand how we're growing our food how we're processing our food how we're preserving our food maybe leftover petrol chemicals aren't the best way

to preserve our food products in America You're not allowing that in other nations and we're looking at the data the statistics and the numbers and we're saying something's not right the point of that conversation was to say today the day we start the dialogue you know the Journey of a Thousand Steps starts with one or and I look at it and say my message was how do we fix this well we start by acknowledging there's a [ __ ] problem in the first place D they don't care this is just about money and just About

justifying the things that you're saying the narratives that you're pushing to try to get that money if they came out with an article if if someone did a peer-reviewed study that showed that if you eat drink exactly 13 glasses of water a day you never get sick and you never get cancer there would be articles the next day saying if everyone drinks 13 gallons of water or 13 glasses of water a day there'll be no water for black people And people of color and and Indigenous people the trans people would die of dehydration and the

the wells would dry up and then then the crops and we're not going to have food and there's a lot of impoverished people you can't you don't need 13 glasses of water a day would be there would be some sort of a justification if you came up with some sort of a diet that you could follow and everyone would live to be 150 there would be an article about how dangerous It is to tell people to stay healthy because if we all live to be50 resources there saying diet lifestyle nutrition getting proactive predictive and personalized

that's the message system's waiting for you to get sick and then they're giving you drugs rather than waiting to get sick and taking a drug let's get proactive and predictive let's look at you at the biological level let's stop the chronic disease from developing at its roots and prevent this Crisis and don't you think there's a way that companies can do this and make money in an ethical way absolutely there has to and that's where I say this is what's crazy company I'm I'm not a philanthropist we make money and we're doing it for a

fraction of the cost of the system today we we really are like that the patient's getting a deep dive into over 70 biomarkers an hour on the phone with a clinician the only way I can scale this and make it better for People and more cost effective is AI and large language models which is what I'm rapidly running towards which even in that hatchet job article she says and he's illegally using AI to prescribe I'm not prescribing medicine using AI she claimed that that's something to that nature in there isor yeah I'm Mike we are

using AI to assess blood work and and then it is reviewed by a board certified clinician that then re like asserts the ai's homework and the AI is just there as an additional tool now the vision of the future and I think this will happen I is I think AI will replace a lot of primary cares in America it's going to replace a lot of things and anybody denying the advocacy of AI at this point is ignorant you have to be ignorant willfully you have to be willfully ignorant because they have used AI right now

to diagnose diseases that people Miss they they believe that a AI is going to allow to assess breast Cancer in a much more effective way because it can do something with visuals that you know human beings can't see with a naked eye because you're detecting things AI is going to be able to have a a much much higher percentage of a chance of of catching that can even at a great cash pay Clinic you know like I I think way dwells a phenomenal Clinic I think there's hundreds if not thousands of phenomenal cash pay Quint

Peter is brilliant in any of those Practices the clinician has to do a chart review before you come in that's going to take them at least 20 minutes if they're doing a good job then they're going to spend 45 minutes to an hour with you walking you through everything in your chart what they saw family history genetics epigenetics cross reference that with blood work that's a lot of work AI can do it instantly instantly and at your own timeline and discretion so your blood work comes back Joe you're busy you don't have time to get

on the phone for 40 minutes with a provider no problem you log into the app and you ask Allan Allan hey remind me again what did what was my blood work on testosterone and then Allan's going to tell you and then you can ask this AI anything and it is backed by all the peerreview journals studies white paper studies all the data that we've loaded in that has been cross referenced by our clinical team and we're guiding that It's not an open architecture but we're allowing it to essentially help practice medicine in a way that

we believe is the appropriate approach to medicine and how can that be bad I just think in the future it's going to be the way of the future and it'll allow us to make it cost effective how crazy the world is that something that straightforward the way you laid it out so brilliantly someone could label that as bad or woo or woo woo cuz you would know the AI Imagine the world where and this and again sword Cuts both ways every tool can be good or bad but what I'm envisioning is AI monitoring you 24/7

tying into your wearables we know your Rim sleep your heart rate Vari ility you've gone through and you've done aexa I know how much lean muscle mass you have how much visceral fat how much subcutaneous fat I have your epig gentics your genetics all loaded in I know your family history we've done a Cancer screening I know that you have no forms of uh cancerous tumors in your body at this moment from there now we have a clean bill of health and a starting point but we're tracking you I know that Joe slept five hours

on Saturday I know that Joe got one hour of sleep on Saturday I and then we can ACR those data sets and begin to cross reference it like right now we have over 60,000 patients at Wast well imagine when it's Nationwide and we have Millions or imag how are you monitoring their sleep we're not yet this is the this is the app that we're launching what so what would you would tie into we want to be agnostics so we want to tie into sleep eight we want to tie into whoop any of them if you'll

give us access to that data we'll know what date you started prescription care you'll be able to refill your medicine straight through the pharmacy because it's vertically integrated Here's the challenge with traditional medicine every software is based on how to get paid from the [ __ ] insurance company that's it pharmacy software is 30 years old it is purely based on how do I get my money from CVS how do I get my money from United it's not meant to be a tool that helps Drive Health span and health care but if we vertically integrate

pharmacy software with the medical practices software with the AI the rbls the rim sleeve it then knows What date you know Joe started glutathione or whatever the a peptide or whatever it is and we're going to see if we can track a marked improvement in heart rate variability Rim sleep and all those variables and then at the end of a year we reassess you proactively and personalize through a DEX and a V2 Max and we say look Joe you gained one pound of lean muscle mass you didn't put on any additional body fat your visceral

body fat is at an all-time low your Chronic disease score is an A+ we do not think you're headed towards a chronic disease we are proactive not sitting back waiting for you to get cancer we're going to roll our sleeves up and go to [ __ ] work and it's not hard this does not cost a fortune it is totally affordable I hear all the time like it this is your body this is the one this is how I ended my speech to the Senate and I believe this 400 trillion to one 400 trillion to

one are the chances you Are alive in this room today what are we going to do with it are we going to let these bastards at Big Pharma and big medical profiteer off of our family members and profiter off chronic disease or are we going to take sovereignty and accountability are we going to test ourselves and drive our health span and take ourselves out of their [ __ ] shitty life raft that's going down like it doesn't matter if you have a first Republican Democrat congratulations you Have a front row seat on the [ __

] Titanic that's where we're headed if we don't get Pro acve is not a left or right issue this is an American issue that's all I keep trying to hammer home and thank God the Republicans are talking about it and I hope the Democrats will start talking about it that's why it's so fascinating about IDE that's what's so fascinating about ideological capture that the thing that you would think would be one thing we Could all agree on we should all be healthy that that would get attacked and that it would be more cost effective you

could use technology and you have a much more comprehensive understanding of your health and that gets attacked yeah that's how upside down things are that's how and there's people that if they think it helps their their career or it helps them in in journalism it helps them get more connect they will be the attack dog they'll be the attack dog and Go after someone with about as straightforward of messages you can get yeah it's it's and Wild things that uh RFK said that I think it really did resonate with me was we have to stop

we have to start loving our kids more than we hate each other and seeing like I won't I won't name but I know a little girl who struggles with her weight and I look at that and I this kid is doing all she can and it's hard to to tell a little kid like your friends can Eat that candy but you can't everyone in school's drinking their soft drinks and all these things and it's bad for all of them it's just some kids are metabolically showing it sooner you know but it isn't good for anyone

who's consuming these things and they're addictive too also creates an environment yeah that this is an addiction issue now and then that leads to a mental health issue and low self-esteem and yeah part of the problem With the addiction to food too is you have to eat food you know it's not like anything else addiction to gambling it's like you can stop going to the casino yeah but addiction to food is like you have to eat food so every day you're testing your every day in a profound way that if you stay out of the

casino you're not you know like he's not being tempted but you have imagine if you were a gambling addict but you had to make three bets a Day yeah what you're you're a food addict but you have to eat three meals a day that's [ __ ] insane and that's where the glp On's where I do say like morbidly obese chronically ill diabetic pre-diabetic patients headed over a cliff it has been rebranded as a lifestyle drug for any any girl who's trying to lose weight for spring break right that's dangerous and it is dangerous to

say that there is no risk reward to prescribe that in children we Don't know the longterm ramifications it's a little bit different risk analysis when we're talking about a chronically ill obese patient in their 40s headed towards chronic disease crisis that's going to kill them yeah that's a different risk profile and safety profile analysis than a 12-year-old little girl who's overweight that's a totally different talk track so you know I have some differing viewpoints from The other folks on that committee but that's the beauty of a democracy we can disagree on topics but agree on

the issue of we've got a lot of work to do and and some things to fix but it's very straightforward you could disagree all day long but what you're saying is so straightforward and so beneficial to everyone across the board if there's anything that you would want in life like if you ever been sick real sick and you're like God damn I can't wait to be Better again it doesn't matter if you're rich doesn't matter if you're happily married you love your job if you're [ __ ] dying you're in bed and you literally can

barely get up to pee and then you you crushed and you lay back down in bed you go what did I do to [ __ ] this up how did I get so sick I am going to take care of myself I am going to [ __ ] get back on track you know 100 a lot of people don't but some people actually do they they actually do Realize at that moment like I can't let this happen again like whatever I did to my immune system pulling all nighters working at the job [ __ ]

16 hours a day and then you get like a horrible flu and you're bedridden for two weeks the during that time the one thing you want more than anything is to be healthy you ask a a healthy person what they want they give you a thousand things you ask a sick person what they want they want to be well they want to be well and if If you told a person who's worth like Bill Gates money if you said to Bill Gates hey you know you could have the flu for the rest of your life

and keep all that money or give it all up you going have to start from scratch but you'll be healthy he he would give it all up and start from scratch that's it your spot on and like you don't understand I sit at I sit at dinners when I get the opportunity to be with my family and I look around the table and I Really do think Joe ever since losing my brother I am so present in those moments and I just want everyone to be healthy and I want the good memories to last and

I want to be able to watch people live happy lives and all the data and numbers and statistics they're so overwhelming that people lull over and that's why in front of the Senate I brought it back to I'm just going to talk about people I didn't even talk about statistics because there were way smarter people Out there than me from Harvard Stamford all these academic types that are brilliant and I'm like but at the end of the day guys if the Senate doesn't understand these are your children your wives your brothers your sisters your husbands

your WI like this is this is these are family members this is not just a number these are real lives 1.9 million people dying a year of chronic disease that doesn't even include deaths of Despair suicide opioid abuse we are a Chronically ill society and those impacts destroy families destroy the ramifications are so far beyond finances and numbers but even finances and numbers 24% of our federal budget Healthcare number one budget concern federally is Healthcare number one concern for Most states Healthcare number one reason for bankruptcy in the United States for an individual Healthcare it

is a huge problem but that's the dollars and sents of it the Real cost is paid in human lives and lost loved ones and that's that's all I wanted them to hear is don't sweep this under the rug these are [ __ ] people dying how much of an effort has been put forth after the whole s family crisis and the opard crisis to to mitigate the amount of these things that are prescribed um I think I think a tremendous amount but the problem is then you swing that pendulum to overregulation and you've created a

drug Addict in the marketplace and all those addicts turned to Fentanyl and black market products right because the addiction's already there now we we've already addicted and more people are dying of opioids today than ever before and so the damage they prescribe less yeah the damage has been done yeah and that's what's that's what's hard I don't know how you put that Genie back in the bottle the question becomes what is the next opioid crisis it's the next thing a Hoarder's house like how do you even clean this up you know you ever see those

hoor shows you're like what the [ __ ] do you do with all this it's almost like us and the the opad crisis thing the really scary thing is like we're propping up cartels we're we're propping up you know really vicious people that are criminals they have to be vicious that's how you get ahead in that world you know there's no rules when you're an organized crime and you kill a lot of People and that's what you prop up when you have drugs illegal but now if you have drugs legal if you you just have

I mean this is a dilemma as well right because if you just had legal drugs everything was legal how long would it take before people figured out to not do cocaine how would long you know if you could just get cocaine the same way you can get Coca-Cola how weird would that be I I I would even argue that the market we live in now is is a Pharmaceutical Insurance cartel you know they are glorified drug dealers monetizing people's chronic disease and they have such a strangle hold over Academia the universities they fund most of

the studies the NIH I mean we just systematically go down from the food system to the government regulatory bodies to the enforcement committees to everything they control the media like as soon as somebody gets you know get a little mouthy anything they come and Hammer you and try to discredit you and portray it also how transparent it is like who owns the companies I know that's but most people aren't going to spend the time to go like I looked because I'm like who is this attacking me I want to understand their Viewpoint it wasn't oh

haa gotcha I'm going to bust these people it was more of let me try and understand the other side and try and see what we could have said that would have been so inflammatory because The message hope it was hope it was Unity it was working together it was dro the part has become healthy get America healthy yeah anybody would be opposed to that that's I think also a real problem with the Liberals during this election the concept of make America healthy again is so bipartisan and so Universal and so clear and the fact that

the Republicans are running with it they're like they're so mad like that should Have been something the Democrats the Democrats used to be anti poison the left used to be anti you know corporations dumping pollution in the waters they were against big Corporation they were Pro free speech they were against censorship there I mean they were pro- reasonable discourse they they weren't about sensory people and that everything's just got so Topsy Turvy that to have the left be against a movement even you what you should be Saying is yeah [ __ ] Trump but this

make America healthy again thing it's a good idea we should probably do it too we should probably just steal their idea we should probably say whatever you guys are going to do we're going to do it too but we're going to be a better president so go with us that if they were smart that's what they would do people oh you stole that idea from Trump she said yeah I stole it it's a good idea I like good ideas I'm not dogmatic okay show me a Good idea I'll that's where I go who has the

most to win by dividing us it's not the Democrats it's not the Republicans it is the powers at be and when we K back the layers Black Rock Vanguard that own the majority shares of the pharmaceutical companies that own the majority shares and most the media Outlets that own the left and the right they push agendas and they can control everything essentially accept podcast and free speech and that's one of the Things that Jordan Peterson said in a meeting the night before we testified was he implored us to stop trying to cater to the mainstream

media because he said it's a lost cause it's a lost hope I hate to say that to you guys but the world has given up on them why are you guys wasting your time with them f on podcast books areas where you can truly in a long long form format expose the truth and ask and respond to hard-hitting questions and we talked About you and your platform and this is you know has been that people try to label it as misinformation at times and I'm like what part is MI anytime I've come on I've cited

all my references on the ways to well website I list reference after reference study after stud things that they labeled as misinformation during Co turned out to be true 100% you know I mean especially you know what they did to Peter mllo Peter mllo is the most published doctor In his field in human history he's not quack Jay bachara he's a professor at Stanford yeah right isn't that where he is um what these are the [ __ ] actual experts these are the real experts like you guys are out of your [ __ ] minds

yeah and you're saying this is misinformation but the problem is misinformation is like you know label it homophobe transphobe misogynist once they racist once they get you they put that on you misinformation you Spread misinformation you're like what what misinformation tell me tell me what wasn't true yeah I'll even say and again I don't know I don't want to be too conspiratorial we had I went to bed and the I was exhausted after that Senate hearing I posted it I me I'm a nobody I didn't expect it I went to bed and I want to

say I had 1.3 million views and I posted a rebuttal about uh one of the periodicals that was misrepresentative and I just posted hey not a fair Assessment of what happened today 2,000 American people traveled from around the country to sit and hear an open dialogue that was bipartison backed by some of the best and brightest Minds in medicine Harvard Stanford stemman Hawkins all were present this was not a bunch of influencers blah blah blah shame on you that was all I posted didn't get in the weeds woke up the next stay and all the

momentum was gone like it we only we we still are thinker sitting at 1.3 million I don't believe and then Casey got messaged hey they'll deplatform you be careful if you start naming specific news outlets and I still believe that somehow we got de algorithm or deprioritized after we began to push back on the media for the stuff they were saying most certainly I'm sure and you probably got attacked anyway once they realized that it was gaining momentum it's very creepy and I wonder like at what level they can manipulate Things at Google and at

YouTube I mean there's there's a level that they can actively suppress videos and they can actively suppress social media accounts and social media posts you know um when my special was uh gonna go live on Instagram or on on Netflix rather on Instagram cam hannes put a thing in his story saying that it was going to go live and they said that he couldn't mention me he wasn't allowed to mention me he Wasn't allowed to mention me yeah I forget what the label was JRE experience I don't know if they're affiliated with you or just

a fan page JRE experience Instagram he print screened and messaged me and it said this uh video is not suitable for repost or something my video from testifying in front of the Senate and they won't let you repost this was a senate hearing like what are you talking about so someone has their claws in meta that's able to suppress Information someone has their clause in YouTube someone has their clause and you know you could use whatever label you could say the advertisers don't want to advertise on this because it's a controversial subject and that's the

problem okay if that's all it is but then it should still get a lot of views so if it if you want to withhold advertising but the views are substantial that means that it's really being shared in a normal way with Something's so outrageous and something that gains that much momentum that quickly doesn't make sense that Peter's out that quick it was too profound it was too res it resonated with too people going crazy and then I would see 100 new follow 100 like whatever and then the next morning dead totally dead like literally right

after we tra we were all trading text about that article and we're like I just cannot believe they reacted with an article this fast and It's a total misrepresentation of what occurred today and that's all they need and it tried to make it tried to make it sound like it was a left or right-wing political Movement Like a right-wing political ideology and it's like everyone in that room in fact most of the people on the panel were Democrat backgrounds registered Democratic voters like there were some Republicans on there but it was a mixture it was

a Melting Pot and we're all free thinkers Like don't take my ability to think critically away from me I don't give a [ __ ] which party you're part of I am here for team people like let's talk about the issues and stop trying to make this left or right like it's not but they're smart in that all they need is one or two articles in a respected publication to site to point towards the fact that this is misinformation and someone from whatever organization would look at that and gloss over it real Quick oh yeah

yeah we'll suppress that yeah and that's I even think one step further I feel like I feel like like for example the news uh New York Post article I honestly the way they worded that they tried to make it sound like I'm just a regular on your podcast and I come on here and just [ __ ] all over the FDA and I'm like I'm doing my best to be transparent and say they're they're at a disadvantage they're underfunded they you know they Didn't build this model they were put in this model and they're doing

their best to navigate but they're underfunded underst staffed and chronically corrupted by the environment itself but I would tell you the same thing with Academia the same thing with Hospital Systems not that work in the FDA if you've been working in the FDA for four years how much of a dent do you think you could put in the momentum of the machine that's behind you what are you Going to do you're going to stick your neck out you're going to get it chopped off you're not going to move up the corporate ladder it's not set

up that way and that's just the reality of being a human being and you go hey I do my best most of those people most those people are like most people they're good people most people in all walks life for good people but sometimes good people do bad things because they can or because they have to the biggest thing I saw in Healthcare was doctors were exhausted whether orthopedic surgeons neurosurgeons you know I mean I told you this my buddy who is he's a prominent Sports Medicine surgeon he's a team doctor for multiple teams you

know he's had highest positions at Hospital Systems even he says what am I going to do man what what am I [ __ ] supposed to do you know I got to I need to do surgeries I've got to do a certain amount of surgeries to make all the all Of this flow and work and I've got to hold my team accountable for the amount of surgeries and their volumes and you're never supposed to make it about volumes but all of these Hospital systems are incentivized off volume metrics that are based off cranking out the

most amount of surgeries and so there is a tremendous amount of pressure from the top down and with insurance companies dwindling reimbursements and dwindling like even primary care Reimbursements but also surgical reimbursements you're not going to be able to innovate when it's a race to the bottom right a total joints paying less now it's going to take an 8% haircut every year and it has for like the last 15 years so nobody's going to go out and buy some brand new state-of-the-art joint or even innovate a brand new state-of-the-art joint because it's all about commodity

commoditizing it and driving down the cost right now to make It affordable to even get a joint so it doesn't even incentivize Innovation correct that's crazy especially with something like replacement joints which would you would hope me they've gotten a lot better at that how many people do you know that have had hip replacements I know a bunch I know a bunch and it's like they're walking around like quick GR Hancock came in here 6 weeks after his hip replacement yeah and you know he's 150,000 years Old according to his aging everything's older with him

no I mean he's uh Graham's got to be in the 70s right and back then I'm not sure how old he was this was back when we were in LA but uh he was walking around six weeks later fine no limp nothing it's extraordinary what they can do now it's amazing you would hope that they would continue to innovate in that way you know what's going on in California right now with uh home Insurance mm okay I not there's a real crisis in California with home insurance um pull up the home insurance crisis home insurance

is Skyhigh and particularly in areas where they have wildfires because they lose so much you know I where I used to live in California I was evacuated three times that's crazy yeah and um the last time my kids were real little and we went in the middle of night we had a we had a take off at 2:00 in the morning the fire Was coming over the hill that was maybe 200 yard from us yeah growing up in Houston I was used to hurricanes a fire would be terrifying Insurance keep dropping California homeowners uh changes

are in the works try to stop their cherry picking so there's there's a you know they don't want to ensure houses that are likely going to burn or going to fall off of a [ __ ] Hill like uh I remember I was watching this uh News special about malib And there was a a mud slide in Malibu like a landslide so these people they Park these [ __ ] $5 million houses on stilts on the side of a hill like hey why do you think the side of the Hill varies so much do you

think maybe it moves you think maybe over time [ __ ] [ __ ] goes down it's not like a smooth skateboarding slope no it's an unpredictable mass of land that's affected by years and years of drought so when you get drought you don't plant Growth even know plant growth you get more erosion because there's no root systems yeah and then chunks of this [ __ ] Hill were falling off and these people were in the middle of the night they heard cracking as their house was breaking apart in the middle of the night their

house started breaking apart and falling down the hill and they got out just in time oh my God it was crazy the guy was like I just heard cracking I thought someone was breaking in then we Got up and we we didn't know what was going on his house is cracking in half is it are they having that many claims is that why the not that there's a lot of claims with wildfires there's not that many claims with landslides but this was one that was like there's like California has some real natural disaster problems and

the big one happens every 20 30 years and hasn't happened since 93 that was the earthquake thing yeah that [ __ ] thing That happens over there all the time where everything [ __ ] shakes and houses fall down and like highwaist pancake I came the first time I ever came to to Hollywood I was doing this thing for MTV and I came out here right after the earthquakes in '93 and I was like this is nuts man I remember driving by a highway that had collapsed on another Highway it was like right afterwards I've

only been in one uh earthquake and it was in Japan when we Were uh we were at Disney in Japan and an earthquake hit recently yeah we were with Philip Franken Lee and Margarita and Amanda and I were all there and literally the her uh the uh sorry not the the earthquake hit I get a text and I look and all the Japanese people are looking at their phones too and it's like like an amber alert and I look and it says seek shelter 9 point what or eight point it was a huge one I

don't know earthquakes I don't want to tell You the wrong whatever the giant one was that just happened and every Japanese person just dropped to the ground and covered their heads and we were in a cave like a manmade cave at Disney so Amanda looked at me and was like [ __ ] that and just took off running we like ran out of the cave but everyone was just down on the ground and then then the tsunami warnings followed and I was just thinking like I grew up with hurricanes and you know they're coming You

have like a week the earthquake stuff is terrifying terrifying like that is scary Japan gets some big and the Earth is literally throwing things and moving that's way scarier to me than hurricane the biggest one I've ever been in was a small one it was like a 5.5 and they said it was actually an Aftershock of the Northridge Earthquake but it was right after I moved to LA so it was like 94 I was sitting in my apartment and all of a sudden my apartment moved like like A refrigerator box you know if you're a

kid you'd play like someone got a new refrigerator your kids would play in the box and [ __ ] around make a little Hut out of it you know carve little windows out of it and [ __ ] it was like that the whole apartment moved like that it wasn't even even any noise it was just the shaking of the building but it seems so flimsy that's all could remember I remember being like Oh my God I thought you guys were Tougher Than This like I Thought the house was tougher I thought it was in

a building I thought it was in an apartment building it a TW store apartment comp two-story apartment complex it just went like this yeah and then it stopped and I remember going I got to get the [ __ ] out of here I can't live in this place like this is going to happen again when I got back to the hotel the there was a koi pond and CU it's ja beautiful Koon but it was up On like the 30th floor oh God all that water was just all over the lobby from the hotel s

oh my God yeah Jesus Christ and I was just like this is scary like scary well and then tsunami the real scary thing man those videos of the Fukushima tsunami where people saw it coming and they're trying to get away those are all hard the bird the birds came first flying through somehow or another animals know when tsunami happen all the animals go To seek High Ground czy okay what is that yeah what is that it's crazy someone should [ __ ] study that yeah there's they're getting some kind of information yeah some message from

the universe is telling them to go to High Ground how yeah I even saw well they have they have senses that I think we have too that we just don't have anymore you know what I'm saying like you and I talk about that when you go hunting and by like day two or three you almost feel Like you're more aware more in tune to every noise every you feel the temperature more the everything gets enhanced dude you're so alive you're so alive in the mountains yeah you know I got uh I went to elk hunting

and I got successful on the second day which you can't pass up you know it just was a perfect scenario and I got successful but I wanted to keep going I wanted to stay out there it was just when you're out there it's the just the the physical Act of being in the woods is like a vitamin that you don't need you don't know you need until get it you're like oh I need this vitamin that's what I saying like a wildlife photographer that'd be the dopest job ever you're just in the wilderness photographing Wildlife

what's crazy is he's he's a wildlife photographer but when you talk to him because he's been through [ __ ] you know living in but no he's amazing because he's so optimistic and he'll say And I agree with him this is the greatest country in the world yeah we are the greatest country in the world but we have to fight for that no we have to torch the Constitution should we torch the Constitution the Atlantic thinks maybe we should the constition like why well you know it's all these interests and I think the social chaos

aspect of today this is what I find interesting because I think it it forces These kind of conversations it forces people to deal with these problems it forces it instead of like this healthcare issue being this Insidious never talked about thing that slowly crept up and just became ingrained in society to the point where everybody just accepted it instead of that you have this rebellion and you do have this make America healthy again movement which everyone should embrace but yet it becomes ideologically captured by the Right somehow and if you are with that if you

think hey that's a great idea those guys have I know that they're they suck when it comes to women's right to choose they suck when it comes to whatever fill in the blanks but I like what they're saying about this yeah we're so lost in this team thing that is ingraining our [ __ ] DNA and they play us with it they play us with it because we have these undeniable tribal instincts it's just like when you roll a Ball of yarn past a kitten they can't help it they got to jump on it they

have these instincts we have you have it in your standup bit and it's it's that that part where you talk about politics is that's 100% how I feel and that's how almost everybody I know feels it's a lie that we all believe the Republicans or the Democrats we don't we we're all individuals and freeth thinkers and every topic is different and nuanced and it's not that easy but it's hard to find A party that represents everything you believe in and again I'm not political so I focus on healthcare because it's what I know and I

I know I can debate anyone on this on this topic I [ __ ] know it you want to talk about the Ukraine I'm I'm a [ __ ] I can't help you there I don't know but I know Healthcare and I know how broken it is the problem is ideologies the the real problem is tribal thinking because everyone should just Embrace this and think this is this Is really a good idea but the fact that's been attached to one political party it makes it a problem for the people in the other political party and

that's what's nuts about us even things that are universally good that everyone should strive for Better Health that becomes I've seen articles written that [ __ ] people that go to the gym are more likely to be rightwing yeah like what are you talking about go to yoga class the example I one of the bills That they are putting in place uh is to cover glp 1s for every American that wants it that's $1,500 a month right now because of what the in what the pharmaceutical and insurance companies have done to price gouge and Mark

it up shouldn't be that it should be under a couple hundred a month but it's not and it's not going to be and so I look at that and go okay for $1,500 a year you could get the dexa the V2 Max you could be monitored with AI 247 you could get At minimal blood work twice a year comprehensive consult one hour Deep dive into your bi Logics and we could treat the root cause of the issue cuz I I I said this on Jillian's podcast with gp1s I I am not against them I'm still

a believer in them when utilized appropriately but prescribing a glp1 a weight loss drug without talking about diet lifestyle and nutrition is like brushing your teeth while eating [ __ ] Oreos all this is true makes no this is True but what I'm saying is that just the concept of getting all these things out of our food supply making people healthy getting people off of all these prescription drugs making people more metabolically healthy we're so stupid with our tribal [ __ ] that just that concept has been pushed into the realm of rightwing if you're

that you're a Maga person you're this you're a [ __ ] you're a loon yeah it's it's so dumb it's so it and it's this the thing about Going to gyms being right-wing I've seen multiple articles WR written about going to gyms being right-wing have you ever been in a [ __ ] yoga class okay yoga is one of the hardest things to do they're some of the most left-wing [ __ ] on Earth they're nice kind people who bust their ass in a 90-minute hot yoga class that's [ __ ] hard to do it

challenges your character okay the idea that like the only people that exercise are rightwing that is so dumb It's so limiting and so stupid and such a ridiculous way to think you should want to be stronger everybody should want to be stronger you know why cuz it's good I like that I can pick things up I like that if someone in my house needs something open they give it to me and I could just open that [ __ ] I like that I like that I can carry things me hope is the Democrats were in

that meeting and there were Democrat Senators that were interested and I Don't believe that it's the Democrats I believe it's an agenda beyond the Democrats and it's not I just think people are trying to intentionally create that strife and that separation and I don't believe it's the Democratic party I believe it's people attempting to hijack the Democratic party and attempting to trivialize this message by portraying it as a political agenda rather than The Facts of Life of where we're at as a nation that's for sure the Root cause of it but it is a thing

now and that's the problem it's been effective it's like many other things that's effective until people wake the [ __ ] up that's the thing you know there's not a lot of people going out getting covid vaccines now you got to be a True Believer to go running out it doesn't mean they're not still trying to sell it I was watching the Beetlejuice movie the other day so in the beginning of the Beetlejuice movie play all these [ __ ] cool previews get oh what oh that's coming out that looks fun and then they have

a John Legend covid vaccine commercial where he talks about how he I'll protect myself from Co he's [ __ ] playing the piano and he like rolls out down his sleeve to show you of a [ __ ] Band-Aid you're like what did you do but the insanity of it is Joe let's even look at Co if we look at the people that died of covid it was because of chronic disease and Comorbidity which goes back back to when we talk about it and one of the things that's built into the new ways to well

AI algorithm app that monitors your blood work is a calculation on your all cause mortality risk the goal is to drive down all cause mortality risk what people don't understand is if you're like you a physically fit lean muscle mass low body fat healthy individual it reduces your risk of everything that could kill you everything a car accident Which sounds crazy but think your body is metabolically healthy fit your chances of surviving and recovering are higher oh for sure so somebody chronically ill and sick it's not you could throw a Diet Coke and kill them

you know like it's not like they're they're already at a deficit and they we're trying to help people not be at a deficit let's get people back to normal we just have to change the way people think about things we have to change This this ridiculous idea that your healthc care provider knows everything they [ __ ] don't your general prct ition he doesn't there's no way this one of the things that um uh Casey means talked about like how little nutrition information she got uh in in college which is really nuts but that's just

the fact of the matter that's just really what it is and also most of those people are also unhealthy themselves yeah we just have to stop thinking about it as a Right-wing or a leftwing thing it's dumb and it's dangerous it's bad for you and I know it's hard to change your [ __ ] people are like battleships it's hard to change course it's [ __ ] hard hard even in the system when you're separate from politics when you're in there there's local politics right you're in a hospital system you're a primary care and you

start writing a lot of testosterone and treating your patients you're going to have the Urology section Of your hospital pissed off because they're going to go what the hell is this Primary Care doing this this that's my Spectrum send them over to me right I could be making money off these people everything is siloed in a way that it makes it hard for these clinicians to practice medicine the way they would want which is why they're trying to stop tele medicine it's not for you it's not good and it shouldn't be legal and that's Where

I believe in government oversight there should be like an actual government person who can never get a job with any of these organizations never get a job it should be like if you agree to take this job on you'll be well compensated but you will never be able to work for pharmaceutical drug companies ever that should be simple like even with food we could over complicate food okay why not just say if you don't ship it to Europe don't ship It to Americans yeah duh how is that hard if we don't want to do the

double blind studies and the research and I get it and it's hard to do and it's confusing but at minimal we can follow the guidance of countries who have better health standards than the US has today just think about what you said about war and think about what you said about the American people how many die from chronic disease every year and think about how much money we have spent On a war that we're not even in mhm I mean what did what was the overall what's the the latest didn't they just send another few

billions little bit here little bit there I mean I wonder how much they set aside for those people in North Carolina and Tennessee from that hurricane cuz those people are [ __ ] Y A lot of people are dead man um I was reading this account it was a horrific account of this uh these people a grandparents and a child that were on A roof and it was before the roof uh Swept Away the building swept away and they drowned but there's a photograph of the last photograph of them on the roof and they're terrified

and this little girl and her grandparents are on this roof and the water is everywhere I mean it's there's so many washed out streets and so many washed out Bridges and the roads are gone have you seen some of the aerial photographs I have it's terrible it's terrible houses floating down the Street in Asheville North Carolina just floating down the street and how much e how much Le are they going to get is it going to be like Maui where you give them 700 bucks yeah which is the most that's more insulting than giving them

no money a one-time fee of $700 you lost your house in the most catastrophic wildfire in the history of North America you going to give him 700 bucks each but you're going to give Ukraine 170 whatever billion yeah and I I heard Tulsi on here talking and I'm like God man when you look at like there's a lot to gain by those people not being able to afford to stay like they're they're essentially homeless and then they still got to pay their mortgages they still have to pay these bills they're not going to give them

long-term mortgage relief that's very valuable land if everybody defaults and not only that but the governor was on record give a speech like right after The fire yeah and one of the things they talked about was the state taking that land which is an insane thing to do right was it a the mayor who was it that said that was the mayor or the governor but it was just the fact that they said it out loud is so insane in the wake of these people suffering this catastrophic loss they didn't even know how many people

were dead at that time people are just missing kids missing burnt alive who knows how many people died I don't Even think they have an accurate count right now of how many people died when we live in a world where things change so fast see if you can find that I get how people would get overwhelming because I try to follow it all and that's why I stick to my Nisha Healthcare but this is this is this is crazy know this is crazy that they're saying now think about allocating that kind of money towards Healthcare

102 the death toll from the Deadliest wildfire in over Century has risen to 102 yeah but what what did the What did the what I asked you is what did the governor say about acquiring the land not the death toll yeah I don't think that I think 102 is the current estimate but I think there's a lot of people missing what do you know about like the Ukraine one of the things and again I I don't know enough to I'm I'm curious because you I know you're you've interviewed a lot of smarter people than Me

I was told that one of the leverage points for the Ukraine in order to get funding was to put up land as collateral through like their Farmland is put up as collateral on the loans that are being provided and those loans are essentially being provided by davei it to me I don't really I don't know I haven't researched it I haven't read anything about it but yeah that's what I've heard as well though cuz I always look go well there's no no such thing as everything's biased No such thing as a free launch so what

is the real agenda and who's funding and why is always my question just from seeing other sectors and what happens of course always there's always money behind it yeah but there also Ukraine is one of the most mineral rich places on Earth like it's worth trillions of dollars and all sorts of different like groovy [ __ ] that we need to make stuff with yeah what what is what did the governor say I'm trying to find the real Quote uh I'll just go with what I have right now want you put it up for me

I I am up okay so this is just a that's the only one I've found so far it's in the I'm already looking for states to acquire ways a ways for states to acquire Lina go put that in a search engine I did I that's why I'm on Twitter I was it wasn't coming up in a search Eng so he said it in speech crazy to how quick stuff can be suppressed and disappear You got to look started using the brave browser recently I gave up on Duck Dogo duck Dogo seems to have gone the

way of Google it's very difficult to find things that are inconvenient but Brave seems to be uh uncensored and doesn't seem to be curated but after I said that they probably get them too I don't know who to use I don't know what to do anymore it's like the whole thing is so that's where all of us gets So hard it's like I I I want to believe there's truth in that we have somewhere where we have still have integrity and honesty and transparency it doesn't mean you always get it right but even redacting the

Articles doesn't happen it's only in independent journalism now it's you get that from Michael shellenberger Matt taibe Glenn Greenwald you get that from those type of people you don't you don't get that from anywhere else anymore and It's good that we have those type of people that they're there and they'll hold people accountable and tell you the real numbers of things and you know and and give you the facts behind what caused conflict not just report on the conflicts but explain to you what happened a fact check I found I think this is what he

said said I'm already thinking about ways for the state to acquire that land so we could put it into Workforce housing to put it back Into families or to make it open spaces and perpetuity as Memorial to people who are lost that is a crazy thing to say because as soon as you say state to acquire that land and we'll decide the awesome things to do with it that's now you took very very very valuable land and you could say hey we're going to sell it to a resort and the resort is going to donate

to all these wonderful funds how many people are missing from the fire Jamie oh my God that's so Crazy cuz the problem with fires is like um you need like dental records and [ __ ] you know like when it gets down to someone dying like an inferno if they're missing at this point they're gone so I have a buddy of mine that was a firefighter and he told me some crazy [ __ ] it's just going into a building with burning people in it is madness Okay there a thousand people reported missing whoa yeah

so this death toll way off shut the [ __ ] up yeah it's more 85 deaths were confirmed but I think the problem is when they can say 102 deaths confirmed and they don't say but yet there's 990 people missing you can say that because it's very difficult to confirm who these people are there's not much left MH it's so scary fire is so [ __ ] scary and when you've been evacuated by fire there was one time where I was coming home from The Comedy Store I got evacuated uh The same day but as

I was coming home from The Comedy Store as I was driving to my house the whole right side of the highway over the tops of the hills was inflame like all the hills like as you get like Woodland Hills and [ __ ] in Flames Just In Flames like fire coming over Hills you're watching houses go up in flames it's such a weird feeling because that that's when you realize we all have this very naive idea and by the way people working on wildfires and and Those firefighters who work 247 and just [ __ ]

stayed alive on coffee and and those people are [ __ ] Heroes yep but there's not enough of them okay when when this cop told me this firefighter rather told me when we were doing Fear Factor once it was one day he goes one day a fire is going to hit the right conditions with the right wind and it's going to burn through La all the way to the ocean we can't do anything to stop it and I was like really he goes yeah When they get real big there's nothing you can do and I

always thought that guy was just that was hyperbole until I saw what happened in my [ __ ] neighborhood yeah and I was like this is nuts they do they I don't know enough about do they do control burns and all that in California now to try and stop like create stop gaps and all that for the fires or how does that how do they even do that what is this Jeremy uh updated cuz this isn't updated though from the First thing I found which was it says November 18th 2023 right the original thing we

read that said a th was from September so it's 60 days before this oh September but I thought it was September of this year no no so still September 2022 so it says 100 days after the Maui fires four names remain on the missing list so so they found a bunch of those people is that what you're saying yeah there's currently only two on the list oh there's only two missing yeah period As of I mean I found the website that has their names listed oh so the death toll is 102 yeah so why did

they say so the death total was elevated when they thought a th000 people were missing is that what it was and then those people had a there's only two people missing here's what I I looked up I typed in Maui fire people missing when you click on the first thing that says how many people were missing in the Maui fire that's what I clicked on that you Read the date on that thousand in 2018 September 18 2023 right after and then in November they had narrowed it down to four people yes okay go back what's

below that why are so many people still missing in Maui that's of September of 2023 what does it say over 3,000 they have an explanation but I'm I'm hoping maybe New York Magazine has an explanation that makes more sense I'm not gonna be able to read it oh you sons of [ __ ] um did Maui officials release uh the 388 names of people unaccounted for in the Maui fire click on that it's down to two that's what I said I was on the website it has two people listed but what it says right here

is more than aund within a day August 25th I'm reading it uh 388 names of people unaccounted for following the deadliest us wild Fus in more than a century more than 100 of them or the relatives came forward to say they're safe so this was In August so a 100 of the 388 people so that number of 1,000 was just the initial number so that was like still crazy 300 people yeah I think it's just saying over a th000 were reported missing there's over 3,000 according to the other thing were initially reported missing that means

they could have found them the next day found two days later 3 Days Later hour later months later well when you get but it's also an island it can't be that hard to find yeah but you Probably don't report when you're staying with relatives in Honolulu because your house burnt down in Ma you probably just go over there and stay there sell coverage problems and all sorts of stuff they couldn't contact people maybe you know there a lot of a lot of possibilities I feel like so that's good that there was less people died that's

for sure but it's still [ __ ] that they're trying to take the land the and that what they're doing is they're They're making it very difficult for these people to rebuild and most of them haven't even started yet well and then I know too I mean it's taken forever for people to get their insurance claims and their money and that happens even here with hurricanes it's a you know if you don't have the money to pay for stuff yourself you're you're stuck battling the insurance company if you don't have the money to battle the

insurance company then you're really in a tough Spot right yeah it's dark it's I had a I had a during a hurricane in Houston at our Pharmacy I had a a tree damaged the roof but then it wasn't covered by flood insurance because they said it was wind driven rain anyways it was like $60,000 in damage that the insurance didn't cover because they could say it's wind driven rain not flood not Rising water and so so water damage is very specific yeah they have different ways Wind driven rain is okay ping out of paying your

coverage and so for somebody who's it's their house you know who maybe doesn't have the money to fight the insurance companies they just put a tarp on the roof and live with it as long as they can until they can afford to fix it oh my God so when you got water coverage you thought you were getting coverage from [ __ ] like that yeah yeah I had flood insurance everything and it doesn't cover it so I Got I got left holding the bag is there insurance can you get insurance for a tree drop it

on your house yeah there is yeah there is General insurance but I don't know how it all works like D there's always a liability there's always a loophole God insurance is a racket and then even in in healthcare insurance you know like what isn't a racket is there a thing out there that's not a racket I know Church religion everything's a Racket now well some church isn't a racket some church is great some church is very beneficial for people I think that a lot more as I'm older I think it's like a a good I

think zubie said this I think he call I think he called it like an immune system an immune it's a good uh immune system protect you from the [ __ ] in society yeah I think I think I'm paraphrasing it for sure but I think that's accurate as great as we are as as humans we we are tribal like you Said so we find reasons to see how we're different and where to argue and where to fight and I think that allows corruption to creep in and it it it's Insidious it spreads it's it's in

every aspect of life soon as you allow people have money doing a thing and as soon as you you can attach something to something that people are deeply opposed to like whatever Trump is for you're against you know no matter what it's just it's when You could find a thing like that that's the enemy believes it people are so reluctant to look at real data they're so Rel even the the people that don't want murderers and rapists and drug dealers sneaking across the border they'll find a way to say like one of the things they

like to say is uh migrants statistically commit less crimes than people live here that's what they say they love to say that one yeah but you know what that is you know what That's accounting for gang violence people that are in prison like you're you're you're looking at everybody yeah statistically they commit less crimes yes there's a lot less of them yeah yeah yeah and also we have a lot of crime so what the [ __ ] are you trying to say it's not like the average person is out there committing all these crimes no

it's a very small number of people that are career criminals yeah they're poor people they're [ __ ] they grew up in Terrible environments they started doing crime when they were young they're criminals they're career criminals there's a small percentage of those and they [ __ ] the numbers up so if you want to say that like migrants statistically like okay okay statistically but statistically that's not what we're talking about we're talking about let there's no justification for letting in murderers Mark Twain there's there's lies there's Damn lies and then there's statistics right I mean

how do they find those statistics when they say that migrants are less likely first of all they're not even arresting them in some places like would they treated as sanctuary cities like people are dealing with that in Aurora Colorado they're not even arresting people they commit crimes cops will tell you they can't arrest them because it's a San California they don't arrest if it's under $1,300 or something Oh yeah so they just let them walk out with TVs they just got to make sure it's under like apparently San Francisco according to uh some people that

I I know that are living there is getting better because of AI so chamath was saying that when the super nerds are running things everything's great but as soon as like the midlevel people start taking over they get through with ideology they get through with like Progressive virtue signaling and that's How they get ahead because they're mostly mediocre people and so when they start to get a grip of the city you're kind of [ __ ] yeah but if the AI becomes the dominant force in the industry again then the super nerds will be back

in control again and if the super nerds are in control they'll fix all these things they'll clean all because logical it's logical to not have people like camping on the streets and [ __ ] shooting up in the middle of you Know like parks and stuff I wonder even with AI like as we get down in that like we were talking about it's a way more complex conversation than today but like what are they going to do with the massive displacements in jobs between Ai and Robotics and humanoid robots I mean there's 10 companies out

there that are launching robots not just Elon and those are backed by chat GPT and and large language models that are wrapped rapidly approaching the level of human knowledge And intellect that of the average human and like it's there I walked by the Tesla store the other day at the Domain I was thinking of buying a robot oh they have them there they have a robot I don't think you could buy it they they could buy it i' be like I would probably buy that robot I was I was talking to my kids like you

guys think we should get a robot it'd be awesome I I think would you trust that [ __ ] you trust that [ __ ] Russia could hack we already we Already have you know everyone has Alexa in their house and you know what was that one like I told I made a joke about the government I laughed Alexa laughed so did the FBI or whatever it is like it's so entrenched in our world I don't know I don't know uh it is entrenched but it's mostly illegal to use yeah it's like mostly illegal what

they're doing you know if if they if the FBI is really using your Wi-Fi to follow you around your house all day long that's kind of a Violation of your privacy yeah and that's a real technology that's available now and it should be available if there's a situation where there's a [ __ ] terrorist and he's in a house and he's got a suicide vest and you can use Wi-Fi to locate him and know exactly where he is and you protect all these other people so that's justification for having some kind of technology in the

hands of some intelligence agents yeah that makes great but you know if you're Using it to gather dirt on Old Brigham because Brigham's got a big old mouth and he's talking about the pharmaceutical drug and and you know you have a [ __ ] group of people that are working to put together a dossier on you yeah it's all nuts man it's it's nuts and it's like right out in the open well with with the AI and the way things are headed too though like when we talk about displacement of jobs so many people think

it's going to be Like trade workers and I'm like no this is going to replace clinicians this is going to replace doctors lawyers you know a lot of dude a lot of things a we're going to need Universal basic income according to most people who understand economics I don't know if they're right but it makes sense to me Universal basic income scares me because incentive taking incentivizing people to not work scares me mhm you know giving people an excuse to not there the it's Bad for people it just is it's bad for kids if you

just give your kids everything they want and and they never learn how to work hard you're [ __ ] them up and the the problem with just giving people a check they're not going to want to if they you get enough to eat and you have Recreation money and you have a roof over your head and you don't have to work at all like and working for like a little bit more than that and then you lose those benefits [ __ ] that I Would rather like pair down my lifestyle I say this you also

need a purpose like in Victor frankl's a man search for meaning he survived that Nazi concentration camp because he had a purpose a higher calling I can tell you when I'm just eating [ __ ] sandwiches and getting my head stomped in right now running these companies over 300 employees DEA FDA you know fighting big Pharma all the things we battle there are a lot of days I go to bed with anxiety and stress but I go to bed feeling like I'm really on the right side of something positive I really truly do when I

was a device rep I made good money but I went to bed miserable every night and I felt like I'm just kind of a pawn and a scheme and we're not really making an impact so I go back to I think people humans we need a purpose and so that scares me the most is a lot of people's purpose if it's not being a mother or father or sibling they Find purpose in their trade and their craft and their job and right their cause so what do we do when it's a really good question the

if you wanted to look at it long term if you you're being objective and not taking into account human emotions and suffering and the disruption of lives that it's un undeniably going to cause if you just wanted to look at us objectively you would say this is an inevitable transition a very painful Transition into a technological world and human beings are going to have to adapt and if this was available to them when they were babies they would have adapted to exist in that world they would have find things to do for a living that

only humans can do because they're very personal things that only humans can do there's always going to be a market for handmade things there's always going to be a market for I like a painting that I know the guy who made it Yeah you know you know what I mean I love that I love that I look at like like that painting up there you know my friend Taylor Made that I know him yeah hung out with the dude great gu that's mity but that there's a big thing that Taylor Made that and he's my

friend I know him that's a piece of him you have some of the coolest art in your studio and at and at the club like I love super cool art Art's amazing I love it I get it gets it makes me feel different when I'm when I'm looking at something that someone made I it makes me feel better when I see your Greg Overton stuff like love that it's like you're looking it is insane the detail and like incredible it's crazy it's the only thing I'm allowed to have in my house I don't I don't

not allow to decorate my house cuz it would look like a [ __ ] a baby's house it would look a man baby it would all be like toys everywhere I'm not allowed to decorate my house but I do Have uh three Greg Overton paintings yeah everything else my wife figured everything else out I just go ahead just give me give me a little space give me a little something I got an elk head in the kitchen in the dining table over the dining table first elkka shot with a bow but it's not like the

stuff kind it's just a skull you just do the European M that's what I like do you have any no I don't Taxidermy that's dolls yeah you know that's what that is my friend Tyler does it you know I love Tyler from Archery Country yeah he makes tax dermy tax dermy an art F I think they look I like when you go to you know one of these lodges where they have like entire scenes like I saw one the guy on the second story of his house like has a kudu drinking out of water and

it's literally a crocodile coming up I mean it's wild like yeah especially in Texas uh my friend told me that he went over this guy's house and the guy had a Stuffed chimpanzee um and the chimpanzee when you got near him it was like rigged where his his like eyes would light up and his dick would pop up like they had it you know how they like walk by those haunted house things you walk by him his eyes light up and his dick pops up because of you we watched uh what was the chimp oh

chimp crazy oh my God oh my God it's insane insane It's nuts these people are out of their [ __ ] mind and it's but it's weird because it's the same as tiger King in a way like it's the same personality Quirk you know what I'm saying like yep it it's this weird personality Quirk when you watch it you'll see some of the like I don't want to say mental health issues but some of the traumas or whatever they are are they're mentally ill people yeah they're mentally ill crazy people who have giant primates that

live in their House and cages everyone's face gets ripped off oh yeah they all take their noses off oh my God yeah they they rip their eyes out yeah it's nuts and they for the first four or five years the monkey gets to go everywhere so the chimp gets to go to the pizza place everybody loves them chimp gets to go here but then they get a little older and now they're in a cage all day yeah so they used to be free they used to go to the town everybody was their friend Now a

sudden they're in a [ __ ] cage and when they get out of that cage they [ __ ] people up yeah they're so mad and then they have that hormone dump I think they were saying the male primates are like five or six years old so they become really hard to domesticate or keep as a pet because they get violent I mean that's their way of communicating they castrate them that's why that lady's 15-year-old she can hang out with it and watch uh 2001 that's a castrated 15-year-old chimpanzee that's why it's so skinny too

looks like Michael Jackson yeah skinny the other ones look jacked you know they they look like just like Mike Tyson in his prime kind of MUSC they have I haven't messaged Tony about it yet but the Vince McMahon they just the Vince McMahon docy series on Netflix oh it's not about chimpanzees no no this one new no no this is a new Netflix one about Vince McMahon in the WWE it's pretty intense no I haven't seen it speaking of mus doing some wild [ __ ] of course he was I mean when you're that jacked

in your 70s what are you on yeah like what do you want to be that jacked in your 70s yeah gu's probably out of his [ __ ] mind and partying did he really [ __ ] on someone's head is that real he I'm I'm still I'm only on like the second episode but they're getting into like there was a lot of uh there was some weird stuff like they even they Were even bringing in little kids kind of like going down that Epstein path like they talk about that like not kid teenage boys kids

though 15 16 year old kids working Crews and stuff that were being utilized sexually and exploited and yeah there's a lot of sinister sinister stuff in there I don't know how much these are just allegations yeah they're all it's all allegations and whistleblowers and yeah I mean who knows that I you never know anymore imagine How much Liberty you have to take with the truth if you make up a story about someone [ __ ] on your head I feel like you know what this whatever happened not bad enough I want like [ __ ]

on my head let's like say [ __ ] on my head yeah like to make that up you'd have to be that's such an insane thing but when you look at Vince McMahon you go I bet he did that yeah I bet did it he looks like he's insane he's [ __ ] jacked and but you also around His NE world where you've created this character and then at what point does the character become you when you when you've done it for 30 40 years whatever it was cuz he grew up his dad founded it

and he was integral into the story lines and then became like his character was the pompus Vince McMahon right elitist like that was his whole character that was his stick so did that bleed into life does reality become oh it definitely does become reality for sure It must it has to I I know it does with comedians yeah comedians like become their character like Andrew Dice Clay used to be Andrew Silverstein dice was a character they used to do in his act and then it just became him yeah you know and like Sam Kennison same

thing like Sam Kennison became the Beast because that's what everybody wanted he was like captured by it he became that guy yeah yeah if you're Vince McMahon and like your whole thing [ __ ] you I run this Game you're all out of your [ __ ] mind I'm going to [ __ ] in your head like you probably just pushed it to the Limit plus you in a lot of recreational substances yeah which I'm sure there was plenty of what did it say about that environment they haven't gotten into that I'm by the second

episode they are they're talking about steroid use and they're definitely I didn't know that they indicted him for selling steroids to his athletes I mean a lot of crazy Stuff they tried to indict him and he he fought it I think he got off got that far yet seen any of the more plates more dates videos about Tren no from Derek I've watched Derek I love his coverage so smart he breaks stuff down so eloquently but there's so much talk about Tren for whatever reason and sexual deviant like guys who turn gay when they're doing

Trend like just these guys are taking crazy doses of this super powerful steroid yeah and they're Just doing wild [ __ ] things they get Trend cough they get like a crazy cough and just out of their [ __ ] mind just just deviant it's crazy it is it it's such a shortterm there's so many bad things that can happen there I it's it is crazy to me want Career Pro Wrestling and you want to be a [ __ ] animal and you want to get hit by a chair every night yeah like you're traveling

across the country probably good drug they are some of the Most bang like God man we've we've had the opportunity to work with several big WWE wrestlers and they have put their bodies through hell for I mean I would say even more than Jiu-Jitsu and MMA guys and NFL guys out of every everybody we've worked with the wrestlers are the most beat to [ __ ] you know who's not beat to [ __ ] the rock that crazy I mean he's got his little injuries and [ __ ] like that the guy looks like a

[ __ ] superhero he's 50 years old he's been through like how many years a WWE also played football and look at him he's fine yeah it's nuts he's an anomaly the most anomalous of anomalies because all those other guys that I met Jake The Snake I mean Hulk Hogan's [ __ ] man his back's [ __ ] he's got to walk with a cane he's all banged up and you see him shrinking well shorter and smaller than they were from all the back and spine surgeries he's lost like 4 in so 4 in of

spine being Compressed so nuts it's so crazy man they just and he said it was from that drop boom we do that all the time every time he did it he's compressing his spine yeah just ruined his back doing that yeah it's scary speaking of someone who looks like a champ how about Brock Lesnar when he flipped through the air and landed on his head yeah Brock Lesnar look like a shaved chimp like if you see a shaved chimp like that's that's what you seen his da except he's too wide She's a wrestler too like

a colle wrestler she's jacked jeans that's Viking jeans when that was in a boat going pulling into the harbor imagine being back there like half Starving in Brock Lesnar gets off a boat walking onto your land you're like you're barely alive anyway and you see that guy get off a boat with a sword that's what the Vikings that Shane Gillis joke oh yeah that's a great joke but I mean they You know they did do a lot of that too yeah they they raped everybody yeah the Vikings were unbelievably brutal and they did a lot

of drugs too apparently they were doing a lot of psychedelics and human sacrifices and all sorts of stuff yeah they would sacrifice people did you ever see that show Vikings oh loved it yeah Ragnar lothbrook and like show great show my wife get bailed on it after a while she could deal with everybody getting hacked to death by Swords like after a while you're like okay yeah stop as you got in the late I don't know how far you followed went into Ivar the Boneless and but all these are historical figures there's TR like it's

fictional uh what is it fictional history or whatever it is but it is it is based in some truth which is fascinating oh yeah the the actual things that they did they really did yeah which is just they were so nuts man but there's been so many instances like That in history of like groups of unbelievable Savages that accomplished insane things just by pure barbarism and Slaughter of innocent people yeah like the Mongols I was watching something about Mongolia today there was these uh these guys were Fitness influencers went to uh go um experience these

uh Mong Mongolian wrestlers and uh these Mongolian wrestlers like these Giants of Mongolia these [ __ ] tanks these dudes are Throwing each other around and they got to like eat food with them and hang out with them and experience it like these that's what's left over did you ever watch Marco Polo no I watched a little bit of it I watched the beginning of it I don't know what happened it didn't get but it was really really good at genas Khan and I think you've talk it's like is it 1/8 of the world's population

10% I think he was dealing with jenus Khan's son I think he was dealing with jenus Khan's son I think was already the empire was already in decline by that time you know it's like once jenas Khan died his sons took over his family took over and then it kind of fell apart after a while because you need a [ __ ] psycho you need a guy who's got DNA and what was the number Jamie when we last looked at like what percentage of the population in Asia has jenus Khan's DNA it's something nuts like

5% of everybody like still has this [ __ ] guy who Lived in what 1200 when did jenas Khan live I think it was 12200 yeah so all these years later this dude has 5% wasn't it was it you and I that were talking about if you go back to like ancient Mesopotamia it's only like 50 something ago if you base it off people living to be 100 it's not it's nothing it's nothing okay it's it's more than that it's 5% of the male Excuse Me 0 point yeah 5% of the male population worldwide half

perc half percent right Not 5% worldwide but what is it in Asia that is still crazy 0.5% of the male population worldwide but what is it in Asia in Asia I think it's nuts % maybe is that what it says okay 8% that's nuts so 750 years of Jenis Khan's Heritage this mutation occurred in 8% of males in 16 different populations that were being studied so one half of a percent of everyone on Earth 8% of people that live there that is insane so like what was it like when He was alive was everybody [

__ ] their cousin cuz you like couldn't help it cuz jenas Khan [ __ ] everybody so he would when they would conquer a town he would take everyone's wife yeah he would just kill all the men [ __ ] all the ladies they all became his wives yeah and he just did that everywhere he went they they that was in um they did that in Ireland too the British uh royalty or uh Aristocrats would would impregnate the Irish men on The night of their wedding they would impregnate their wives oh Jesus that was where

uh that's what Braveheart was about he came back and blanking out on his name but fought for the Irish to because they were basically raping their wives and making sure that they were raising British noble born instead of Irish oh my God I just listen to a book on this that that's it's it's one of the myths that come from that not that it didn't never never happened but they Said that it was it didn't really happen Jam's a party pooper no that that was they were going this Jamie it was a great courses on

Audible was going through all if you look at like they didn't really get into in the movie but we when we did uh Europe we we did a tour where they were breaking down like how bad they tortured him and mutilated him in a public setting prior to killing him oh my God it's brutal yeah yeah um what what's the myth aspect of it oh About the that they like raped The Peasants wives or whatever on their wedding days like there might have been one king or a couple like aristocratic type people that might have

been [ __ ] and did it but it wasn't like a thing that happened as as like a yeah yeah so it wasn't a pandemic of rape right there was a lot of raping going on like yeah C I mean if you go back long enough it's all rap yeah you know like how far do you have to go back in Human history like was there any cave people that were like male feminists right [ __ ] it was they were barbaric they killed each other they stole wives I remember reading this uh book uh

about kamanche where they're talking about this one kamanche Warrior who wanted this other kaman's wife so he killed a guy and ate a piece of his heart and then took his wife like that was that's what I will tell you I know you Had him on but Empire of the summer Moon I'm so excited for that to come out as a as a series uh if he's if who's directing is that uh Taylor Sheridan yeah Taylor Sheridan and if they do it and Taylor's gonna do it by the book yeah I know Taylor he'll do

it by the book by the way he's got a great Steakhouse he just opened up in Vegas uh the 4 sixes 46 Steakhouse I think it's like a popup right now but we ate at it last time we're in Vegas it's [ __ ] Great it's all meat from his Ranch what a cool guy cool guy got his own ranch makes a steakhous supplies the meat it's [ __ ] inred He's brilliant and then he also leases the horses and the livestock and all of that to Paramount oh that's smart yeah and his Ranch he

leases to Paramount which is brilliant because he is a real cowboy with real cowboys that he and I also love that he casts real cowboys into this subsidary roles or the supporting roles of the show he's the Cowboy at a ranch a friend of mine works at in California oh really yeah he like did real cowboy work oh that's funny before he ever made watch him on a horse when he's doing all his crazy horse stuff I mean it's it's wild how awesome his horses are that he's trained he's a great podcast guest too very

interesting guy super [ __ ] smart and those those shows the all the Yellowstone shows are [ __ ] incredible and the new ones are the best ones like if you go to like From Yellowstone was great and then it was uh 1883 was great and then the last one the 1923 the Harrison Ford one that's [ __ ] great they're all great they just get better I think 1883 is the most recent and that's my favorite that's the one when they the family was making a cross yeah I love because it shows how it

just shows the reality of how hard life was I mean it was brutal for everyone for everyone there like God it was times and so accurate like so Accurate as to how people died and what they what they dealt with and [ __ ] man people falling off wagons getting run over by the wheels like that kind of [ __ ] that's why if you've ever played Oregon Trail in in elementary school or that's what they had when I was in elementary school and you I would always die of syphilis or denter I would never

survive denter or uh what was it denter and uh or you get killed by Indians or whatever it is but you look at how Statistically unlikely it is that we're all here right and I got to believe it's for a reason we got to be here for something right we got to be and and I don't want us to squander very least if we're not here for something the very least we can maximize our time here you know the one of the things the reason why this is very important to me is Everything I Do

I need energy Everything I Do I need a lot of energy I need a lot of energy to do stand up I need a lot of Energy to do Jiu-Jitsu I need a lot of energy to do archery I need a lot of energy to do podcasts I need a lot of energy to do UFC shows if you're weak and tired you won't be as good at anything you do anything you do and the the one thing that you have control over if you're a person that takes care of your diet and exercise the one

thing that you're going to have control over is you will be able to give your vehicle more energy MH that's real if you if you Really do the right things in terms of with your health you rest accordingly eat the right Foods take vitamins work out plan it all out that's people say so often that like eating healthy working out it's expensive it takes time but being chronically ill is way more expensive it takes way more time and you you have to choose your hard but there is no path that's just going to be a

cakewalk you don't even need a [ __ ] gym if you have a YouTube account and a Laptop you can watch yoga videos and you can do them at home if you get one 35b kettle bell my friend Keith Weber he's got this extreme kettle bell cardio series he's got a bunch of different ones that you could do but there's a few of them that are online and I did one the other day it was [ __ ] brutal 35lb kettlebell MH it doesn't cost anything get one of those things how much is a 35lb

kettle bell you get it once you never have to buy another one and me After all the years of using kettle bells I still can get a [ __ ] ass kicking workout with one 35b kettle bell yeah and if you think you can't follow that YouTube video and try just give it a try even walking Casey has a stat she'll drop on you I don't I don't remember the numbers so I won't even attempt but just walking few days a week four days a week it's insane the difference in all cause mortality risk and

reduction and chronic disease yeah You got to move around yeah otherwise your body's feeble if your body's feeble it's not going to be able to handle diseases it's not going to be able to handle injuries how many people die by falling down because they're older you know this is something that Peter AA talks about quite a lot is that it's very important for older people to lift weights you know not for vanity but to be able to protect yourself from falling if you're falling and you're feeble you Can't do anything to stop the fall you

know yeah after the age I think it's after the age of 65 one of your greatest risk factors is a fracture if you fracture a hip or vertebrae you have between a 15 and 35% chance of being dead within a year oh my God it's a it's one of the greatest risk factors and think about it because your body has to recover and rebuild and you don't have all the health and youth that you had in your earlier years stay keep muscle and Keep bone mineral density and get proactive and all the things we've talked

about if we start monitoring your bone mineral density in your 20s to your 30s to your 40s we know your family history you're a petite girl you're going to experience a decline in bone mineral density we've got to get ahead of that one of the things they did that ruined that for so many women was the Women's Health Initiative scaring them out of hormone optimization for women And it terrified women telling them that it was going to cause cancer and all these things which ends up being the opposite of what it does and it did

a huge disservice to women that created indirectly a rise in osteop osteoporosis and osteopenia but one of the companies that was funding that was MC and MC sells an osteoporosis drug they have a blockbuster osteoporosis drug called Fosamax that they printed money on during that time frame oh my God and so It's hard because they do say trust the science and I'm not telling people don't trust the science trust but verify let's keep honest people honest but the problem is that science is very difficult to verify especially science that's given to you by the pharmaceutical

drug companies because when one of the things was it John Abramson that was tell us who's litigated these cases against pharmaceutical drug companies one of the Things that he was saying is that he was part of the Vio thing that when you get the peer review data you don't get access to the data you get access to the review of the data so and you also don't get access to all the studies they did that didn't show up a positive I'm sure you saw that Steven Crowder thing where he caught that Co Zar guy yes

yes when was talking about when talking about monkey pox the monkey pox drug that's niut that he was intentionally saying That he was being fed to say those things yes and mislead the public that they were trying to sell more of those drugs and that the reality is most people aren't going to get monkey pox it's like you have to get it from gay sex yeah sorry well and it makes total sense because again not to say it it when you're in it you think you're doing right I don't think that people are out there

trying to harm Humanity I don't I really want to hope that's not the case But when I was a drug rep at 22 and you bring in a thought leader from Harvard that tells me all the ways that they're using This brilliant mental health drug off label and then you put tremendous pressure and give me an expense account and send me out to drinks with a doctor and I'm sitting there and the doctor's like where else can I use this drug you're like do I tell him what that guy from Harvard told me cuz I

also signed a contract that said I wouldn't but then The company taught me all that and put me in this environment and it's like a wink wink nod nod and the pressure is to grow the patient population on a drug that's why gp1s went from being for diabetic obese people to now let's help people lose weight for spring bre real quick fast real quick real and it got accepted fast that's what's scary and it got called the Kardashian drug which was brilliant because there's no evidence they took it yeah oh really I don't I Never

heard any evidence they took it yeah but it's what you all you heard about like I I saw it on Twitter the Kardashian drug in the early days of these gp1s OIC and wovi they were talking about it people were calling it the Kardashian drug and they were saying all these women in Hollywood are taking I don't even know if they took it because I know they have trainers you know so they might have just worked out it might be [ __ ] yeah but Everybody's like oh they're doing it those [ __ ] like

uh one of my wife's friends sent her an image of this woman said oh my God everyone is on OIC these days just because the woman was skinny it's like first of all that lady's always been skinny you can find pictures of her from 30 years ago she was skinny like what are you talking about like everybody wants to like oh that [ __ ] she's on it so so we don't give anybody misinformation we interrupted this Podcast because Jamie found out at the end of the podcast that one of the Kardashians has her own

glp1 daily pill it's the latest product capitalized on weight loss Dr this is Courtney Kardashian who's the thinnest like she was always thin which is odd so uh just so people know but the point was at the beginning everyone was calling it the Kardashian drug maybe they were right back to the show but and that's what people do with everything though They want to think that it's the most eye openening thing having got behind the scenes and and met you and then met Cam and met Aaron Rogers and met all the every person that you

have introduced me to Works their ass off the level of dedication and commitment and their schedules are crazy and the pressure is crazy and the stress is crazy and they have kids in families and they find a way cams up at what 3 in morning to go run 30 miles he doesn't Have to do that anymore cuz he doesn't have a regular job anymore okay well that's good finally I I tried to talk that guy into quitting his job for like 10 [ __ ] years from the moment I met him like quit that job

dude you can make more money doing this I was like trying to convince him took forever it's just inspiring to see because you can sit on the outside and think oh that guy who's on top of the mountain he didn't he's lucky they got lucky what you don't Realize is you didn't see all the steps that it took for that guy to get a girl to get to the top of the mountain cam was running marathons in the morning before work when he was working 8 hour days he would get up 3:30 in the morning

run a [ __ ] marathon and then take three days off of work take his you know vacation time and go run the Moab 240 run 240 miles through the [ __ ] mountains like that's a regular guy with a regular job and if you don't get Inspired by that and realize like there's more in the tank than you think there is and people like that the the benefit of people like that is that through their discipline you can learn that you could do these things too you can get inspired by not maybe maybe you

can't run the Moab 240 but you will most certainly hold yourself to a higher standard when you know there's someone out there that's really busting their ass and trying to make things happen It's motivating like uh Philip row I know we become really good friends Philly fresh from UFC love that dude dude working as a UPS guy raising two kids training MMA in his spare time and like trying to get all his work in makes it into the UFC I mean that's insane how about Deontay Wilder he was driving for like with Budweiser or Coca-Cola

or something like that you remember who he was driving for what was it I think it Coca-Cola Coca-Cola driving delivering trucks at like 21 starts boxing at 23 wins a bronze medal in the [ __ ] Olympics so crazy crazy Budweiser driving delivering Budweiser so the guy's just trying to take I the reason I'm saying this is there is hope people like to take care of his kid who had medical problems he need money to take care of his kid so he just said I'll become a Pro boxer that is so crazy crazy and then

he has the gift is one in a [ __ ] hundred million gift of power that he had yeah it's nuts but people like that exist to inspire you to do more and you know you could say well [ __ ] her she's on Olympic or maybe she's not maybe she's really healthy she [ __ ] works out every day maybe that maybe that too maybe instead of going oh [ __ ] that she's on Olympic going damn that [ __ ] looks good what she doing yeah what are You doing and then maybe find

out what she's doing maybe just realize you could do more yourself and if you did everything that you could do to make yourself healthy wouldn't even have the urge to look at someone else and say oh she's on OIC you wouldn't care yeah you would not you see is people momentum creates momentum and even individuals I know that have taken OIC a lot of those people are they just needed wins on the board and they needed To create momentum and these really obese individuals when they start seeing There's Hope and the weight starts coming off

as crazy as it is the diet the lifestyle the nutrition all that starts to fall in line more and more and then they get a win on the board and now they're the guy who's going to the gym three days a week and that's the benefit of SSR too for some people for some people and for Ari that was the benefit of him he was really depressed it was Really bad and I think it had something to do with taking DHT blockers so he was taking whatever the [ __ ] that stuff is for your

hair what's that stuff called yeah propia propa he was taking that he can really [ __ ] up your hormones yeah some people and it wrecked him it wrecked him it got him very depressed but the ssris helped him get over the hump and he eventually got off of him and when his life is doing better what a shock he feels better he's happy his Career's doing great he's [ __ ] not depressed anymore oh crazy they're all related people would try to tell you that your life sucking has no bearing on the level of

depression that you have well that's crazy yeah that's crazy cuz there are people whose lives are seemingly on paper amazing and they're still depressed but I guarantee you they probably have their priorities off and I guarantee you they probably don't exercise and if they do it's some rare Imbalance yeah that some people do have I can tell you I mean running businesses I of course everyone has Stress and Anxiety if I didn't do an ice bath or go do Muay Thai for if I take a week off my anxiety is terrible I mean I would

have almost crippling anxiety but doing physical activity and doing hard things and doing the ice bath and doing the SAA and going through that method in that process I I mean it it helps me immensely 100% you're used to a Certain level of adversity and if you have no adversity adversity is very difficult to handle but if you give yourself voluntary adversity that far exceeds anything you're going to experience outside of that you're way better at handling stuff if you're workouts are so [ __ ] brutal and I've seen you do Muay Thai it's [

__ ] hard man it's hard it's exhausting and everything else seems easy because when you're on like round five and it's a Five minute round and you're three and a half minutes in and he's trying to get you to he's trying to get you to do switch kick over and over and over again your [ __ ] heart is beating out of your chest you got to finish the round strong and when you're done when that Bell goes off you're like oh my God like that feeling you don't get you don't get that in the

day you feel so much better and then after it's over but the feeling of Of being exhausted pushing yourself that struggle is so much more intense than anything you experience other than a life or death confrontation in your day yeah just even conquering going there like there's so many days I'm driving and I go why the [ __ ] am I doing this why I just go to starb get one of Frappuccinos again go back to my old was fun being fat it was easy this is not I don't want go get the [ __

] beat out of me and work my ass off for an hour but Every time you leave even no matter what I'm like oh thank God I did that every time I get out of that stupid ice bath I feel like that every time I go in I don't want to do it I know I'm going to go in it cuz there's two people in my head there's the general and there's the [ __ ] and the P the [ __ ] is like don't do it don't make me do that for three minutes don't

make me get in there yeah and the General's like shut the [ __ ] up [ __ ] you know you're going to do it so Stop with all these thoughts just put put the lid up that one's one I still to this day I do it I hate it every time still have not there's never a day where i'm like this is going to be easy that's the good thing though that's your win that's your win of the day that you did that you need those little wins just like we were talking about with

ozempic you need to get one on the board you know and getting one on the board any way you can Completing a workout write it down complete it you got one on the board you got a win for the day that's real it seems like it's not but it's real that's why the belt system works in martial arts right you get a blue belt you're like I got a blue belt holy [ __ ] I'm not a white belt anymore I get a purple belt it incentivizes you human beings are subject to that it's you're

nailing it this is this is my point with the AI I want to gamify it and I want Healthcare To be fun yes I want people to know that they're challenging their friends we're Rising together Joe you're a [ __ ] you only worked out 30 minutes today your dexa at this my all overall mortality risk is improving yours isn't like how do we make it fun and you can choose what to share kind of like what whoop does well what you do with with Tim Kennedy and the the what is that I watch his

my zone and I watch what Tim does every day and I'm like if I can just get Close to what Tim did I will feel great about myself so I try to beat his workouts or Juan from on it Jim has his on there too and I'll just try and beat those guys workouts on those days it's funny because people will say that that's an addictive thing which is really interesting because one of the things that people talk about with the addictions that people are struggling with today one of them is fitness apps yeah like

Jes isn't that like the Greatest addiction of all time like yeah you can go off the rails you can get a little crazy but isn't it the greatest addic of all time how I think in with um addicts they have them one is finding religion and a higher calling and giving up to a higher power but the other thing I've seen is candidly a lot of times they trade addiction and they get really big into CrossFit or Jiu-Jitsu yeah or Jiu-Jitsu it's a healthy addictiona it is it's it's a better alternative than Drowning your sorrows

in a bottle well that's also the same Pathways of the mind that lead you to negative addictions lead you to positive addictions it's just about it's about channeling that kind of energy into something positive I am 100% an addict but I have figured out a way to be addicted to all things that are really good that I love yeah that's that's the way to try to live your life it's just try to funnel that whatever that focus Is that leads you to want to shoot heroin and this is also works the other way too and

there was a a guy that I know um that was was a world championship caliber pool player and wouldn't drink wouldn't smoke just drank water super clean and healthy and he was one of the top pool players in the world and he was winning tournaments and gambling and winning a lot of money and he was like Rock Solid this guy was he was he would hold down the cash you like If you bet on that guy you had a really good chance of wi he would win by he would not choke ever yeah he got

in a car accident and he hurt his back and the same thing that got that guy addicted to pool got him addicted to pills he couldn't stop taking pills man he that weird pathway and my friend Tommy put it this way he's like the same thing that got him addicted to he called it the same thing that got him addicted to pool got him addicted to pills it's Like this Obsession so he found this thing that gave him relief from the pain and then he became obsessed with getting more of them and then one day

died you know he died young yeah and this was a guy you would never have predicted that and that's what's so Insidious about what the Sackler family did that's what's so Insidious about the opioid crisis is that you can get good people and everybody wants to say that wouldn't happen to me I'm too I'm mentally strong That's nonsense I'm telling you this guy was as mentally strong as you get some people just get got it gets them especially if you're in pain especially if you're one of those people that doesn't tolerate pain very well some

people just I don't know if they feel it different I think they feel it different I think it's the only thing I think just like hot sauce tastes different to some folks I think some people feel pain different and um you know what one of The reasons I thought this is my mom got an injection in her knee and she didn't even Flinch they stuck this giant ass needle in my mom's knee and plunged it in there and she didn't even Flinch and the doctor's like that's crazy like this [ __ ] 7-year-old lady didn't

Flinch and I was like that's where I get it like it has a high pain threshold it has to be from it's I think it's a genetic thing yeah I think I used to think that it was from being all the time intial Arts when I owned a toxicology I was in the toxicology lab in the non-abusive stuff uh after my brother passed from opioids and I was trying to educate clinicians on that one of the things I did was hire an expert Dr Bill Massie and he came in and he said on Obama's opioid

abuse Campaign Committee and was he was helping guide me on what makes sense and how do we do this but one of the things he shared with me that was wild was this study that he did uh for Obama with reesus monkeys where they gave one set of reesus monkeys uh a CA basically a cage with metal and no no warmth no interaction with other other monkeys they got water and food but at erratic times there was no consistency in that monkey's life then they took another subset of reesus monkeys where they gave them warmth

shelter let them stay with their family for the right amount of time till they they reached maturity and what they found is when They introduced drug heroin and cocaine to these monkeys disproportionately the monkeys that were deprived died in ODed whereas the monkeys that had that love and affection and warmth and comfort and essential needs met died at a much lower rate most of them actually survived and he was breaking down that if you grow up in an environment with minimal dopamine response when you light up that dopamine maybe it's a boxing match right you're

a kid who's been poor and you get in that Boxing match you knock a guy out you're do you're hooked like this is it I this is the best I've felt everyone's cheering me on for some people unfortunately what they find first is a drug or an alcohol or a sub but that could be the future Albert Einstein the future mammed Ali the future you know whatever it may be insert here they have that ability it's just can we give them a shot can we buy them the time and get them out of this Because

I've seen a lot of people beat drug addiction but I've unfortunately lost a lot of people to it too they did it with rats too they did a very similar thing they did a rat Park and so they had the rats in the cage and the Rats I think it was heroin that they used see if you can find what the rat partk what the rat Park uh study was very similar type study and they did another study where they had this enormous cage or the rats could run around they had toys Things for them

to do and they didn't just do drugs until they died they just went and had a party and lived like normal rats yeah which is like just like all mammals All Humans we have these reward systems that are built into US heroin or cocaine lace rat oh here it is Alexander's experience in the 70s had come to be called rat Park researchers had already approved that when rats were placed in a cage all alone with no other community of rats and offered two water Bottles one filled with water the other filled with Heroin or cocaine

the rats would repetitively drink from the drug lace bottles until they overdosed and died like pigeons pressing a pleasure lever they were Relentless until their bodies and brains were overcome and they died but Alexander wondered is it about the drug or might be related to the setting that they were in to test his hypothesis he put in R Parks whoops [ __ ] popups uh he put in Rat parks Where they were among others and free to roam and play socialize and to have sex and they were given the same access to two types of

drug lace bottles when inhabiting a rat Park they remarkably preferred the plain water even when they did embi from the drug-filled bottle they did so intermittently not obsessively and never overdosed a social Community beat the power of drugs and you got to wonder if that would be the case with human beings you know if if Everyone I mean it's not possible right now in the world that we live in but if everyone had a productive happy healthy life and was raised in a positive environment how much less drug abuse and drug addiction would we have

it's a good question because if if it really is this horrible childhood that is causing a lot of people to seek these things out that's but that's not my friend my friend who got addicted he wasn't wasn't from abuse like that it's talk noral Family everything was fine it was him dealing with pain and back pain is some of the worst pain it's [ __ ] debilitating I mean I've known multiple friends who've had back surgeries and when they're when they're in pain it's just like it takes over everything like I've had knee surgery and

you can kind of deal with knee pain it's like yeah it sucks but it's going to get better it'll be okay but it's not your whole system it's just your knee the back feels like Your whole being is hurt yeah that's a it's a particular type of pain that people want relief from my buddy's dad was in the has been in the hospit in and out of the hospital he's in his 80s now um and he used to go on the elk hunts with us and everything he was a coach um they had him loaded

up on pain meds and everything was starting to fail he had been in the hospital for months they were about to move him to hospice and my buddy said we're done I don't want any More pain meds and he talked to his dad and he said dad can you survive without the pain meds and he didn't think he could and he battled like feeling terrible everything long story short he went from they were going to put him in hospice because his kidneys and organs and all this were failing to he drove a car last week

right he's out of the hospital he's in his 80s he's driving his truck again like I don't know if I want to be in the road with that guy Yeah but it's all those pain meds were poisoning his brain his body his organs were shutting down because they were just pushing more and more and more and I don't want to be too sinister but there's a lot of money in keeping somebody in a hospital and billing that insurance company during those time frames and then moving them over you know I stood in surgeries where I

watched them do neurosurgeries on people they knew were going to die but they Could bill them $800,000 and collect the insurance payment and so the hospital's going to do the surgery God that's such a horrible thing to hear do a surgery on someone who you know is gonna die just to make the money off of it it's just because our incentive systems are flawed like what you were talking about earlier if it dopamine wins like reward systems if we build a reward system based off money and numbers and Finances we shouldn't be shocked when we

have killer earnings and really bad Health outcomes it's the same with everything in the human race whenever it's incentivized by money people don't go to what's best for people yeah they go to what's going to make them the most money and that's the weird world that we find ourselves in with people defending that that because their ideology opposes the opposite yeah it's nuts it's a weird weird weird [ __ ] time but uh listen Brother I'm glad I met you I'm glad you're out there I'm glad you can speak about these things the way you

can with so much information you're you're so knowledgeable about it you could pull it up at any moment and it's uh it's a daunting task that you have but I think your message has uh changed a lot of people's lives I really do I think there's a lot of people that recognize that between you and all these other people in the space petera and Andrew Huberman and all these people Dr Ronda Patrick all these people talking about health and and what what you can do to improve and studies and all these things you can do

to change the path that you're on I think it's uh it's affected countless lives thank you for giving me a voice and thank you for having me on here and and also thank you to the US Senate for being brave enough to let us sit there and and Hammer the US government and Critique them for their choices and power to them for at least having the honesty and integrity to let us have an open Forum yes so yeah let's hope they keep doing it and this make America healthy again idea is uh one of the

most promising political ideas I've heard in a long time because uh it's long it's long overdue like it was there was a long time where they were denying that cigarettes cause cancer they they denied it as long as they could and then Eventually they couldn't deny it anymore and I would hope that we would learn our lesson from all these other things they did all these other things that they used to push and now they realize they dangerous and they really regret that they did it and people went along with it Time Has Come time's

come to change the way we approach Food and Health I agree thank you thank you for having me thank you for my pleasure bye everybody [Music] [Applause] [Music]