the barrier of infinity versus the infinite rotation Gojo versus Johnny joar in recent memory I don't think there has been a matchup like this in a very very long time involving two characters who deal with a lot of physics-based abilities classing against each other basically symbolizing the immovable object versus the Unstoppable Force it's personally one of my favorite reasons why I like to do versus videos when it comes to two characters that symbolize each so with all that Preamble out of the way hello my name is [Music] metas walk with me however since this is
a jjk video and I don't know everything about the jjk verse yet again I have brought Ronan on to speak with me on this topic yo yo yo happy to be on the channel once more here to talk about a jjk and JoJo's topic where apparently so I've been told Gojo doesn't just get absolutely mopped up you know I'm excited to be here maybe represent for jjk for once in a cross verse battle I think immediately going into this I have to explain Johnny because I feel like even partially with me I've kind of misconstrued
people steel ball run at least in recent years at least with me when I scale it or just the universe in General within that continuity of JoJo's doesn't have a lot of good Feats which is honestly giving Gojo a pretty massive Advantage here so for Johnny scaling we're not going to talk about act one act one is basically a nothing Burger it really doesn't do anything in this fight it's just Johnny spinning his nails at his opponent that really don't equate to anything because he's not actually properly using the spin here he's just spinning it
so when it comes to act two act two with Johnny is basically his default this is kind of his bread and butter there's nothing really past this that he uses consistently a lot because shockingly enough act three has less showings than act four which is kind of wild so for the most part act two has the ability to shoot a bullet much better than act one but it has the ability to track any enemy that Johnny faces and once it makes contact with said person or entity or even object said object will spiral into the
infinite spinning of the golden rotation for a few seconds destroying vital organs or shredding it into swiss cheese basically now you could say at least in this case and maybe the others applicable higher than act two might just negate durability in general as the spin has the ability to manipulate the human body to a pretty high degree but when it comes to act three things change pretty drastically here Johnny goes from understanding the spin to basically surpassing it quoting from gyro zelli who is the best spin user within the steel ball run universe who then
goes on to say that Johnny has surpassed anything his family has ever made involving the spin its ability is when Johnny shoots himself with the bullet he's able to enter The Bullet Hole itself which is called a special Dimension or a Dimension separate of the main universe that he's currently inhabiting while in it he can move in any direction placing any of his limbs outside of it to shoot from anywhere and if anybody were to make contact with the bullet like trying to physically get inside it like Johnny their body would instantly dissolve as they
don't meet the specifications of what Johnny was doing previous with the golden rotation basically meaning it's vaguely a One-Shot ability if applied like that however it mainly still functions like act two for the most part however looking at some of the standat details It's ability is also described as Wormhole like kind of implying the fact that it might be able to travel anywhere or give the ability for Johnny to show up in one place and then a completely different one that might be hard to achieve like maybe Crossing into a different dimension as the Wormhole
implication implies real life physics that imply that Johnny could travel massive distances in a very short time now let's talk about act four the infinite rotation while Johnny rides a perfectly healthy horse in sync with its running Johnny can shoot out the spin in combination with the golden rotation to shoot out a super spin aka the infinite rotation that being act for Tusk at this level has the ability to pierce through any barrier because the bullet has infinite energy and it's not like some hyperbole or like anything like that it's just straight up infinite punching
power which might not be infinite because it might be greater looking at how it's related to the other abilities previous to its showing that being d4c Love Train and ball breaker d4c love Train's ability was able to redirect Misfortune across the world at any point in time and or the infinite Multiverse at any point in time Funny Valentine basically became an unmovable object and Gyro speculated using the super Spin and ball breaker he could beat d4c love Train's light barrier which was redirecting All The Misfortune and Pierce through it to kill Valentine however the horse
was off and that didn't happen however when Johnny did it Valentine straight up said I think this was what gyro was going to do but this seems even stronger than what gyro was even planning so you're looking at an ability several times more powerful than the power to redirect Misfortune across the infinite Multiverse extremely powerful but of course it does have a drawback you have to have a healthy horse and kind of the proper conditions to actually shoot this thing off so either being kicked by the horse or riding on the horse in sync allows
Johnny to use tus Act 4 and its infinite rotation so overall in terms of hacks and abilities Johnny is overpowered however this is where we get into the funny area Johnny's scaling is well iffy and overall steel ball run scaling is even iier while there is a few Feats that kind of confirm Johnny being at at least building to small building level thanks to Tusk act four being able to rip open basically anything that's in front of him in terms of speed he is really slow he's being tagged by bullets constantly throughout this part where
it gets funny though is with Diego from the alternative World some people interpret the fact that that since there are two worlds they have to be the same which would imply a lot because then we have to go into part three scaling and I'll just throw it up on screen but more or less Dio and jodo are basically the same and since that is the case Dio and Diego would also be the same so you're looking at like Island level to Mountain level in terms of AP and durability and in terms of speed thanks to
stand stack guides and general scaling Within part three you're looking at characters being massively faster than like plus and since tus Act 4 has some really good showings against Diego and his version of the world a lot of people equate to Johnny having very similar scaling to Dio and jodo from part three however there is an association fallacy here Diego and Dio are not the same character even though they have the same ability they might not be the same within an infinite Multiverse of you there will be weaker versions of you and stronger versions of
you and since we don't really get a lot in terms of showings here with Diego and his versions of the world you can say it's not really fair to compare them and to use that scaling however there is the other set of the argument where you say that Iraqi actually is implying that this is supposed to be a call back to part three so you might take it at face value and say like it's supposed to be quite literally the world bar for bar so you can have two interpretations of Johnny scaling where he's low
bald and it's just really superh humanik or is basically on the same level as part three Stardust Crusader jodo and Dio at bare minimum what you can take from that fight though is that in terms of speed for tus Act 4 by itself unrelated to Johnny is that he's maybe in that incalculable speed because he broke the speed formula while moving in Frozen time depending on your interpretation of how time freeze Works within JoJo's yeah so for Gojo's scaling it's honestly pretty simple there's a couple of different levels you can attribute to Gojo depending on
how you view jjk scaling in general you can sort of get the like really low bald scaling for him where you have his speed being like mildly faster than that of sound you can get that just from characters like shoso shooting piercing Blood characters like suca absolutely blitzing that you even have characters like early shabuya Yuji being able to react to in Block that rather successfully obviously Gojo exists as the Pinnacle of the verse not only in terms of overall abilities as a sorcerer but also statistically really only being rivaled by the likes of sua
uh we see during the sua raid that he's capable of dodging piercing blood and moving much faster and a much farther distance than it is able to when given that same context which even if you lowball it to the greatest extent you say now you really cap the story off and mock through right for the sake of this battle apparently it doesn't really matter you know what I mean Johnny ain't going to be moving too fast on his own you have higher levels of scaling of course you can get them into that like several times
faster to than sound or even like lightning timers if you're you know a big proponent of the whole Kimo cursed energy hakari reacting to that sort of sort of argument um I've seen some light speed Arguments for suo reacting to Kimo's um sort of electromagnetic waves however the issue with that is that the feed itself is displayed too Ambiguously to determine whether or not sukin is dodging the attack as it's happening or if he is simply reacting to kosimo charging it either way speed is not going to be an issue here Gojo ranges from either
like a bare minimum you know being able to quite easily react to bullets react to something traveling faster than sound etc etc many times over blitzing those level of characters and and above so I mean you're going to you're going to have him be like from that speed of sound to several times the speed of sound range pretty comfortably without too much contention there attack pocy wise it it gets maybe a little bit more contentious for people you have Feats like Joo using maximum meteor and that's been caled out to be like City Block Level
which is on the low end for Cals you have isig gor's Granite blast which is Cal to be like a large Town level feat you have Gojo being able to power like an entire country on his own with his own cursed energy at least you know it's stated that that could be the case it's not directly ever shown but it is said that due to Gojo's use of the infinity or rather his use of cursed energy in the six eyes he'd be able to power a country over time that's been calculated to be like a
small City level feat um if you go off of domain scaling characters like Joo and Dagon are capable of creating mountains and Islands respectively which would obviously boost Gojo's physical power and his ability to use his Cur techniques like blue red and purple all that much more however once again even lowballing Gojo here his bare minimum offensive ability would be able to get the job done now when it comes to Gojo scaling and it comes to having him in fights like these it's pretty obvious that his physical abilities his physical tools his speed his durability
his strength those aren't the things that you put Gojo in a versus Battle for what you really do it for is the Limitless and all of the abilities that come with that namely Infinity as we've been alluding to over and over and over uh now we'll talk about the specific mathematical applications of infinti and how that deals with other abilities that sort of warp manipulate or just directly bypass spatial manipulation alog together but all you need to know in a general sense is that Gojo takes space divides it infinitely makes it so that as you
travel towards him you get slower and slower and that basically you slow down to a point in which you will never hit him very simple concept very you could simplify that even further barrier that generally nothing can bypass now we've seen things get past it for example if you have the ability to just outright negate curse techniques like toi with the inverted Spear of Heaven Joo and hanamy as well as suca with domain amplification or if you're someone like suca and is able to attack not you know Gojo or Infinity itself but literally the space
that he inhabits then you're sort of able to get around the technique in a very rockbeat scissors sort of way rather than attacking it outright you're kind of bypassing the function in which it works at altogether now the there there is another aspect of the ability that makes it so strong namely being the six size the six size allows him to manipulate space on an atomic level this has been stated in volume Zero by Miguel now that's important for a couple of reasons one it means that the level of which he's able to manipulate it
is known and two that means that we're able to basically decide what that limit is based on the statement anything that is uh less viable than like a literal atom say like a subatomic particle like a photon light for example would be able to bypass Infinity because while the six size is very perceptive like down to the atoms is about where that limits out that will be something that I'm going to be referencing when talking about how Gojo's abilities go up against you know tus act particularly three and four now he has another ability that's
really useful it's not necessarily the end all all in this specific fight but infinite void is sort of like his main wi con against a lot of characters even if they're stronger than him he catches you in the domain and you're imbued with an infinite amount of information that absolutely just fries your brain and even if you don't die from the overload of information which we do know that characters not really used to protecting themselves non Sorcerers or cursed spirits will just immediately die even characters like sua take massive brain damage from being caught in
infinite void for only 10 seconds so Johnny someone who doesn't have the greatest durability and I imagine doesn't have like particularly great like information mental hacks defenses would probably be very susceptible to this form of attack and it's something that is very different from Gojo's regular sort of abilities now it's something that you can kind of we'll get into whether or not he brings it out at the start of the fight because we've seen both we've seen him hold off until he's trying to show Yuji something but we've also seen him basically start off a
fight like that when you look at Gojo versus sua it really depends on his mindset and how seriously he is taking the fighter but that is kind of the general rundown on Gojo's abilities and how that's going to stack up you know given the context of Johnny and Gojo I 100% agree with most of the stuff there involving Johnny infinity and just the domain expansion itself would fry Johnny I'm just going to clarify that off the bat that is one major wi con that Gojo has over tus Act 4 for the most part most JoJo
characters can't deal with that ability I'm just going to outright state it however if this was funny Valentine versus Gojo that might be a different discussion but that's not this discussion for this we're dealing with the protagonist here not the antagonist Johnny with act two versus Gojo basically is a nothing fight tus act two wouldn't be able to get past any of Gojo's abilities Gojo would be able to easily use purple his domain expansion his arguably better uh stats overall just to clip Johnny if he had his legs or horse in this fight also I'll
probably put this at the beginning of the video this is a part seven Johnny that knows how to use his feet thanks to the infinite rotation and the spin but even if that was was the case I don't think this is a really massive discussion point I think most the audience should know this by now however this is where we have to get into the physics both of these characters are super mathematically based it's actually really crazy how both authors really kind of delve deep into the mathematical bag while scaling these characters for these verses
and the thing with act three is it stated in the manga against Civil War thanks to gyro that act three's power its ability that Johnny is showing off to the world is that it's above anything the zapel family the guys who made the spin have ever used it basically transcends them all Johnny within the few months he has learned the ability has basically surpassed what hundreds of years of practice and teaching and learning that has been passed down in the zapelle family and this ability allows him to basically Place himself within a bullet hole which
is stated to be a place in Between Worlds it has also been described as a wormhole now if the case is true where act three has similarities to a Wormhole then we have to talk about a little bit of physics here how wormholes work is once it grabs two spaces and folds them on top of each other instantaneous travel can be achieved if true that possibly means Johnny and his act three can get through Gojo's barrier I think maybe but that's going off some pretty crazy assumptions now this is where I want you to chime
in and be like how do you feel about that and I also will like to add to here before that act three doesn't have a lot of Feats this is basically just statements being said by gyro but gyro is extremely knowledgeable with the spin he's basically the greatest person asides from Johnny that knows how to use the Ability yeah so I will just say based on it being like a wormhole it would kind of fall under like basic spatial manipulation and then the question that you would need to answer is just like is Tusk act
3's output as a spatial manipulating ability strong enough to overcome the infinity like so for example right there are other abilities that manipulate space and in jjk that we've seen like for for example oo is someone that has Sky manipulation in which he's like literally dragging the the literal Sky the space between people that you can see in order to camouflage herself in order to you know warp attacks away from her etc etc etc however just because it's space manipulation doesn't necessarily mean that it's overcoming Gojo's abilities and his output not only because of the
amount of energy that is put behind Infinity but also because of the extent to which the thing that he's bringing to reality exists on right so there are some abilities as of out line like sucas which does cut kind of like it's able to at least cut the world space and quote existence itself right and the question would just be does tusk act 3 kind of Meet the the requirements for that now I am seeing what I presume to be um send it to you right now is an official statement um probably like a volume
extra about like the different tusks where it says that Tusk a 3 is something that perhaps allows them to hide in the boundaries between different dimensions right now if the argument here is that this allows him to spiral into an infinitely small area then he would be able to penetrate Infinity for the simple reason that like we know we know a couple of things right Gojo's abilities works on anything as small as an atom but it's not stated or shown to work at anything smaller subatomic particles are not infinitely small Johnny's ability specifically Tusk act
3 allows him to peer in infinitely small areas or even manipulate them for himself therefore the infinitely small ability that he's using would sort of allow him to bypass Infinity now the main problem that you'd want to address is and this is something that's kind of a bigger problem at large is whether or not Gojo kind of like sits there folds his arms twiddles his thumbs and like all right Hit Me With Your Best Shot it's something you can certainly make the argument for I mean we've seen Gojo allow attacks to hit him or allow
attacks to hit Infinity rather the only thing to sort of concern yourself with is whether or not Gojo would look at Johnny and perceive a threat based on the physical stats that you've detailed he probably wouldn't all that much in which case he's going to get hit and it doesn't seem to be like an instantaneous death if he's noticing like oh my God my perfect defense is not really it's not really defending the way I needed to he could then probably take action and with the statistical difference assumably like beat Johnny up and then maybe
die from the spiraling infinitely into non-existence however on principle I don't think it's very insane to say that Tusk act three would probably work now there is a specific defense or rather a specific counter Gojo could apply that I think would honestly apply more for tus act four then three simply because I don't know if Gojo's eyes would be able to perceive of the the scale at which which Johnny exists on at this level once again given you take this this volume statement hyper literally they're technically supposed to be taken at face value and are
kind of assumed to be like Iraqi basically stating it so it's like the author's rule rule is golden for the most part but even if it did work I still want to prepze here with Gojo that act three is pretty powerful and I would agree that it would pass through the barrier in a multitude of ways either through it infinitely spins to a point where the barrier just doesn't work anymore because it's infinitely smaller and goes through it or it actually opens up a hole and Johnny is able to get through it but the problem
is is Gojo's healing abilities and other stats would also play a massive Factor here so Johnny would have a problem for the most part and I would also guess since Gojo is an extremely good fighter he's not going to touch the hole for whatever reason that's like basic fighting 101 Civil Wars user did it but he was a dumbass his ability basically required him to die so no I don't think that's a general use case everybody in fiction I don't think Gojo would do that this fight is interesting but I think with just act three
alone I would still give it to Gojo because of his other repertoire and like his use of abilities etc etc I think he could get P Infinity but I think I would give it to Gojo at least here in this version of the discussion Johnny doesn't have much he's going to get either hit with an infinite amount of information or the other scaling is going to come into effect and the only thing that Johnny can really do here is hide and use his bullets to maybe like slightly hurt Gojo and then Gojo heals so it's
just going to be a massive back and forth until somebody majorly screws up for sure and this is based on my understanding at least presuming Gojo sort of is beat to the punch or out of area an lets Johnny make the first move because from my understanding Gojo to to illustrate sort of maybe some generosity you're Grant you're graning Johnny right if Johnny really is like pushing transonic like he's a bullet timer right and like building her wall level that is that's food for Gojo in a physical confrontation you know using blue using red using
purple whatever right so and it's not I I won't even argue that it's necessarily in character for Gojo to go up and Blitz and one shot someone cuz it's not necessarily unless he's particularly upset or he has a reason to think that you're someone that's going to push him or press him a lot but I just do want to make it known that like you know in in a world where Gojo looks at Johnny says now this guy's bad news it's kind of over because of the the relative stat difference um but I do think
that going over their abilities act by Act is is pretty interesting and it's also sort of the aspect that I think when people have this match up in their head that's really what they're talking about it's a clash of abilities as much as it is the characters now for the jjk fans that don't know Johnny is the type of character to use all of his power all at once off rip thanks to the showings in steel ball run he has a very murderous attitude behind him so it would be a character of a nonchalant attitude
versus a guy who's ready to kill on site so both of these personalities do play a pretty major role here to who you think wins this is the big one and everybody's been waiting for it so act four in both of our opinions before recording gets through Infinity easily so once he's on the horse and he fires it off and bullet with an infinite amount of power that is able to affect a person's body on an individual cellular level on all cells spins infinitely and kills them and also affects the soul/ other physical energies of
said being it's insane it literally just dusts you from existence after a while because depending on the case it either instantly kills you or it's like slowly working on you just like how it did with Valentine it had the ability to pierce a barrier which had multiple Infinities stacked on top of it it could go through a different world it can go through a different world at a different time uh its own world at a different time any point on the planet at a different time and it still was able to rip open love Train's
barrier and easily uh defeat Funny Valentine and we talked about this before the infinite distance thing while impressive for Gojo in comparison to tus Act 4 everybody says it's a perfect counter I'm going to actually State how it actually is in my opinion infinitely worse than Love Trains just because of how Grand love trans ability is once it grabs Gojo's barrier it's just going to rip it open and just manhandle him and on the chance it does actually miss for whatever reason it does track however it does not track for friendly so if Gojo is
able to figure that out it could also be a pretty big threat for Johnny if he can't reverse it and Johnny can reverse it by shooting another infinite spin in the opposite direction act for's infinite rotation is ridiculously overpowered however I need to clarify this right now because everybody forgets about this point when coming up with this argument for Johnny it does require a little bit of prep with the horse if the horse is not healthy if it's not running at a certain speed in sync with Johnny or doesn't give its horike energy to Johnny
to shoot out the infinite nail Bullet at its opponent it will not properly work and it will fail it will lead to a very powerful bullet but not an infinitely powerful bullet so for whatever reason if Gojo messes with it or Johnny messes up with it it's going to be a problem for the guy once that happen happens it falls back into the act three discussion from there yeah so I'll I'll step in here and offer like maybe a few potential things that Gojo could do to counter this or you know things that I think
would happen in character so for one if the generation of this power is something that is like stand based like basically you know sort of like this spiritualistic energy then Gojo 6 eyes might just pick up on what is essentially an Infinity piercing bomb getting ready to run towards him um at Max Speed he might also even be able to literally see the link of energy between the horse and Johnny in which case we know that when Gojo is fighting multiple opponents that contribute to being able to beat him for example Suk and mahara he
has no issue absolutely attempting to clobber the the thing that is that is aiding it and like in Johnny's case he's not as strong as sua and in the horse's case he's not mahara so unfortunately for them it won't necessarily result in the same thing so I do think that there is a possibility of Gojo preventing tusk for from having its infinitely attack potency punching power however I do agree that like being able to transcend dimensions and timelines is just something that like Infinity has never shown a defensive capacity to block um you can you
know you could speculate till the cows come home but it's just not a fee that Infinity has on its resume right anything that sort of like just pretty standard manipulation of space on a higher tier seems to be able to get past it and as far as I'm concerned Tusk Act 4 seems to fit the bill so if Gojo's sitting there hands in his pockets you know looking like a chill guy just waiting for the attack to happen then yeah he's getting he's getting a he's getting an infinitely powerful hole through his chest maybe you
can make the argument that as he's deteriorating he can spam RCT at Max output to heal and then kill Johnny as well so that it's kind of like a tie in the event that he gets hit but I would essentially just argue that like upon getting hit he loses or or makes it a draw at best however I do think that there are options for him to avoid it and for him to get around it regardless if you ask me to who is going to win based on sort of the context that we've laid out
I would say that Gojo just has the tools needed to sort of end it even in a casual fashion like if Johnny's shooting out Tusk act two or three bullets and goo's like oh okay that was crazy red it's kind of over because like Gojo doesn't have to be taking Johnny super seriously to like unironically Blitz him in one shot and like he could accidentally shoot out a a blast that he would use on Joo and then Johnny's like oh yeah dude I don't have like half of my body anymore so it's it's it's one
of those things to where Tusk Act 4 I will say seems to be infinitely above Gojo's abilities as the Limitless it's just paired with a character that is in very rare fashion for a versus Battle like this statistically wholly inferior to Gojo yeah I'd also argue here for the for the fans that want to be like wait Meadows what about the high ball scaling if we did say that Johnny is basically equivalent to jodo and all those abilities all of a sudden now Johnny has the advantage like AP durability being like near Mountain level or
even Island level depending if you want to go that high and speed being equivalent to massively faster than light plus there's still things in Gojo's kit that can affect Johnny because even then domain expansion kind of makes speed like useless so it wouldn't matter there and then the AP and durability stuff even in this case of a Doman expansion mean nothing because infinite information into your brain so even on a high ball I still think it's actually a discussion to have because of these abilities classic it's it's still up in the air depending on how
these abilities go I still think for the most part the act three discussion is a lot more interesting to go into because if act for is shot out even if the horse afterwards gets hurt or something and it's still tracks onto Gojo it's basically game over the moment the bullet leaves his finger it's maybe depending on Gojo and what he does in the moment life or death like it's either or you either live and run away or you die that's basically the end of the discussion with that if if it's that leaves his fingertips if
it's not that case I do think it goes in Gojo's favor but it really is like the ultimate counter to Gojo I think for Gojo the win conditions are honestly more abundant than like his ability to lose you could physically argue that Gojo is just blue enhancing his punches and just like genuinely boxing Johnny up you can argue that like a red that he uses would be enough hell a hollow purple would actually send him to heaven and obviously as we've explained here a domain expansion would be enough now assuming that does outat Gojo you
kind of push him to a point where Infinity isn't as effective with like the higher tier abilities like Tusk Act 4 and then like his General stats wouldn't be enough to overwhelm him a domain expansion does sort of equalize those things a little bit I'm assuming no JoJo's character has ever really come across an ability like that and even if they have you know you just hear domain expansion you see some dude with white hair cross his fingers and then you're just brain dead it's one of those things that you don't necessarily have a particularly
good counter for um now I will say this in the event that Johnny outsat Gojo I'm giving it to Johnny more often than not but in the event of like what we've been talking about for a majority of this video Johnny stats are a lot lower I will give it to Gojo more often than not I don't want it to be misconstrued Tusk act four over the Limitless in terms of abilities however in an overall fight I do have Gojo over Johnny given the circumstances that we've discussed here I think it just depends it's it's
almost very Cowboy like going back to the stud ball run thematics it's whoever draws first almost yeah a nice a nice Western you know nice little nice little Quick Draw you know High Noon Gojo versus Johnny so I think with all being said uh thank you Ronan for being here I've been waiting to do this video for a very long time any final words no man I appreciate you having me man it's always a pleasure it's always a pleasure yes yes next time we'll do I don't know uh Maki versus Jolene that might be a
fun matchup it actually might be kind of even but uh maybe maybe we we'll have to see so with that all being said like comment subscribe follow me and Ronin on Twitter stay hydrated and I'll see you guys in the next one deuces
