RMU Exclusive: Fmr. TSU Pres. Talks Financial Crisis, Rep. Crockett Blasts "Oppressed" MAGAs

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[Music] dig hey folks today is Wednesday November 20th 2024 coming up on Roland Mar unfiltered streaming live on the Blackstar Network I'm live here in Atlanta uh Republicans in Tennessee are going after Tennessee State University uh about their finances you have folks who are blaming former president P Glenn the Glover well she joins us right here to share her perspective about what's Happening at that HBCU in Nashville oh man Congress got a little heated today congresswoman summer Lee and Jasmine Crockett went off on magga Republicans over the issue of diversity equity and inclusion we have

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University the state's only uh public HBCU uh the state has given the university some $43 million for operations uh this year in order to make Payroll and prop up the university now 114 people have been laid off at the institution remember they also replaced the Board of Trustees last year we were there in Nashville uh discussing that the uh interim president Dr Ronald Johnson he says the fault lies with former president Dr Glenda Glover he says that repeated poor decisions and the lack of checks and balances are while the university is financially strapped well uh

Dr Glenn Glover reached Out to us and she said I would love to come on the show uh to discuss this and so she joins us right now on Rolland Martin on Dr Glover glad to have you here so first of all uh let's let's walk through you retired as president uh from the University I I've had some alumni folks have been on my social media saying oh why is she taking $800,000 in as a consultant for the University so can first can you explain that thank you and good evening and Thank you for uh

having me on the show tonight yes I can explain that let me just this whole notion of um $800,000 is so ridiculous I have a retirement agreement a buyout agreement uh it it represents the value of the remainder of the years of my contract I was in year one of a fiveyear contract so I was asked to to identify donors to continue to work with University and raising money uh as you know we raac built in Down from 46 million to over 100 million we the Envy of many HBCU are endowment but set that aside

when the legislators carefully uh constructed a an arrangement with me when legislators some met with me in person and some sent others to meet with me to speed up the retirement process in fact to ask me to retire so I said I would do it on my own terms at my own time and and so I did honor their request and retire so but now you don't get to come to me now and Say want your retirement we now to be to be void it that's just not a fair process because it's it happens at

academ all the time when a president leaves early they get an exit package they get a retirement package they get a buyout package it's not only just an academ it's an other areas coaches and others get buy our packages and so there's no different from that so I did so there's no $800,000 arrangement I have to consult With TSU and it's just ridiculous all right so uh you so you have uh you have a buyout and that is that is being paid to you over what period of time it was it set up to be

over a four year period the different Arrangements being made over four year period and are you required to do additional things as a result of that buyout I am now I suggested the fouryear period so that it wouldn't be such a Strain on the universi treasury and so um and for that I would uh Contin Contin continue to identify new donors uh continue to build the endowment to bring I'm going to um the East Coast after Thanksgiving to meet with some individuals about some money for TSU and so it's it's those kinds of things that

you know that's what my skill set is and they did not want that to go to waste upon my retirement in fact what that was suggested Me by one of the legislators Uh and so that's why it was such a shock when they were acting like they didn't know anything about it because they were the very ones who came to me and said you know you've been here a long time you should consider retirement and they suggested some things to put into the retirement package so so this hypocrisy is just unreal okay so let's talk

about where the university is right now you have your interim president who's saying all Of these Financial issues with Tennessee state are are your fault in your previous administration and the previous board uh you have uh state legislators were also uh blaming you you got columnist uh with the National Tennessee who is saying uh this is you know one of them even said that uh that uh by you being on the board of a for-profit prison uh is also part of this problem and so uh let's talk about this here uh where the university is

right now what Is the reason for the University's financial problems in your estimation well let me start by saying this the state would not get the chance they don't have the chance to cause a problem and then criticize us for having to go through the problem so again it's almost like a friend who uh who you have loan money to and that person comes by this owes you money and that person comes back and tell and makes fun of you because you're broke so they can't cause A problem and they come back and criticize us

because we're in a problem that they created now having said that they say yes they owe us money yes there $2.1 billion underfunding letters been written to the governor but let's put that aside there's a544 million underfunded amount that the state has admitted that that's amount that is you been underfunded by that's not a number that's made up they came from their internal processes their own Analytics their own budget analyst who put that number together and said here's what we have 544 million you compare to the other land grant institution the Equitable funding model that

they develop shows that we owe Tennessee State University 544 million and that's underfunding amount but having said that I'm not even gonna discuss that as that because that's not was in our budget what's in our budget is how we operate from semester to semester is through Student paying students paying their tuition and fees that's where the the that's where it comes from students pay tuition and fees that's probably 75% of our budget I think another 23% comes from the state but you can see the our bread and butter recruiting students students paying their money they

come to school and they go to TSU but there are two things that I want to bring out how do we get here number one everybody's talking about reserves And everybody's talking about that when you talk about a school only in at the capital have they found something called reserves they want to talk about what's really when you want to make a decision to go to school it's about um what programs you have what's your endowment and by the way T you has a health envir endowment of over a hundred million dollars in endowment we

have one of a handful of schools so no school is broke that has an endowment of over 100 Million we do have a cash flow problem have to be addressed I have to say that but here's what has happened number one how do we start the Tennessee higher education commission Tac has a process whereby they have schools to give students to put scholarships on the students account to Hope scholarships the lottery scholarship that are state funded not the ones that the schools offer these are ones that are offered by the state And there are a

lot of students from from a lot of the universities getting these scholarships well rather than all of those students going to the higher education commission th hat asking them for the scholarship money that process that is worked out so that each School will advance the money to the students again totally separate from the 2.1 billion totally separate from the 544 million they would Advance this money to the students TSU did from our operating Funds and then Tac tennessy high education commission will then reimburse TS you at some point well after we had done this reimbursement

and waiting for us to get our after we done this advancement waiting for our reimbursement they inform us they're not going to reimburse us we said what do you mean this came from our operations and they said well we're not going to reimburse you because you got some audit findings from tac tac We want you to get those clear first now there was almost an impossibility to get those clear first because we had students who needed transcripts there had not been the final transcript was not there there were a lot of things that couldn't be

done overnight so we thought that was very very critical so we just sent them letters literally begging them to pay us the money that's number one another thing that happened that c that went through our operating Account the State forced TSU to hire a company jll and they're a good company I even know one of the guys at a tiip top and they're a good company however um it was being done much less and much less funds in house but they forced them to to come in to to do our Citizen M because they put

$250,000 away but the catch is it couldn't come out of 250 250 thousand dollars they gave us it had to oh was a million I'm sorry 250 million had to it couldn't come out of that it Had to come out of our operations so that's a tune of $1.2 million per month that they forced us to pay I mean that's I hope you're listening I hope the audience hears that $1.2 million per month and what is so what is so startling about this is that they were not allow TSU to have an RFP process there

was no bid process there was no we couldn't do due diligence on it you take it or leave it those were the words given to us on on the phone and I was Not the only one on the phone that day that either you take jll or we don't have a deal and so we took them to manage the property and do things at TSU that's a big price tag $1.2 million a month and so that helped that hurt last year last semester now this semester is different story this semester we don't have funds because

the students are not there we don't have funds this fall semester it has nothing to do with our reserves that's for emergencies we want Those funds to help some operations yes but this fall we're down by 1,900 students now that equates almost about $20 million you can't operate a school asking the the state to bail you out because we don't have the students paying their fees we don't have students here to pay and so I don't understand why the won't put that narrative out front and say enrollment is down therefore so uh enrollment the revenue

is Down so I'm reading this I'm reading this article here uh and it said that in Fisco 2023 the university logged 45.9 million in institutional Aid which includes tuition discounts a massive increase from 8.6 million the year before other students found themselves without a scholarship once federal funds ran out uh then this is from H edd.com it said enrollment faltered because of broken promises first year student Enrollment at around 3500 in fiscal year 2022 roughly half the next year and hit 880 students by 2024 uh so what was happening so so what was going on

there with these tuition discounts so what is the reason to go from how do you go from 30 500 of first year students in 2022 to 880 in 2024 how's that happen Okay let's let's go back uh the allegation is that we use the the one-time funds I think that's What I heard you say those were Co dollars when they had you know when Co was there we had the they had the he dollars and sometimes refer it's a federal stimulus package that was given to hpcu with to all universities especially and there a special

package for hpcu that was in 2020 some in 2021 those students have already graduated we couldn't have made a promise to a student from the co funds From four years ago to in 2020 when Co was there was March of 2020 by the time they got the legislation together it was we had students and we didn't give scholarships out of their fund that SC that money was used to pay off student balances they could come back to school because and to help them uh through the covid uh factors like parents losing their jobs students losing

their jobs uh companies shutting down that had promised students money for a school Students not having connectivity you know all the co woes that's what that funding was for so that was four years ago so that couldn't have been what they were talking about but I think what they may be talking about because I I listen to it too is that in t 2022 we had a huge influx of students because we were coming back from covid parents were calling us saying listen this they've been here for all this time a year we need you

all to to do something to help Us and so and it wasn't just Tennessee State it was around the country when students were going back to school in large numbers but TSU was SL chosen for a lot of reasons one we have good programs they know they get a quality education that's the number one reason you go to HBCU is to get a quality education you know everything else is graving but when the students watch they saw a lot of things happening coming Harris it was our vice the vice President United States came for our

commission as Speaker our band was nominated for two gramms they had not received them then they since received the grammas um they had performed at the White House on the rosebowl parade so a lot of things would happen T was on a national stage and we were all having fun with it just having a good time with it and that we didn't have this crisis because the students came to TSU yes we had a housing problem Because we were not there was not enough housing on campus any way and then there were students who couldn't

afford to live in Nashville off campus Because the house prices are cost prohibitive so they asked to come back on campus too so just like other schools in the United States hpcu and non HBCU we houses and hotels yes that was expensive and that did take up some of the money that we had but we got funding from those students and money from those students They came in that came into TSU we have that's not coming in now so whatever the reason was it's 2022 it's gone now because that's the time they said you don't

have enough students before that so when these students came then they got on to having too many students remember when the legislator got on TV and said you have too many students why all these students coming to TSU you're doing them a disservice having so many students so they want to cut the number Of students down to to make housing the number one factor so the next year we said okay let's let's keep the temperature down we'll have 8,000 so we had 8200 last fall well 8197 so in this fall um it dropped to we're

about 6300 students so that's not even that's not even typical of a TSU first year class of 800 students there's no what problem was made to these 800 students nobody promised them any scholarships because there's no there was no scholarship Fundings to promis them so for them to say that these students couldn't return or they couldn't come this first year because they had a scholarship promise that didn't happen they were in high school at the time and there were there was no promise made to these 800 students so I don't know where that came from

they there is a sensation in saying that something was not that was promised and not given that's just simply not true there may be some things that slip Through the crack so you're saying so you so you're saying that the B that the the main the main issue here is that by having that drastic of a drop of first year students and what people have to understand that HBCU largely depend upon the financial aid of students so so by having that drop that's $20 million uh not coming into the university therefore you're going to have

a shortfall I know earlier you also said let's set aside what they owe but Isn't that part of the problem if the state owes Tennessee State more than $500 million and then they and again that 500 million the state the 500 million the state owes them is separate from that 2.1 billion at the federal government say they've been underfunded so really really Tennessee State uh o is owed about $2.6 billion do yes precisely that is correct the point I was making is they've always owed us money and we've managed by semester to semester With the

students that come in and register you have to understand the bread and butter of the higher education is students coming in paying their tuition fees and the student op and the univers operating from that now aside from that the University at the university is expecting to receive the funds that's been owed by the state especially first the 5 44 million that their own budget analyst said was old and it was reviewed by his superiors That it's old so that's expected they did put $250 million up front but then they tied our hand so it couldn't

be used they put $250 million provided in the government's budget but then there was so much red tape there's so many a agencies to sign off on it uh and so many things to be done and approvals to that we haven't used but maybe it's just a minuscal part of it and so in essence they owe us still a 544 million and and honestly part of that was supposed to a Part of the second allotment that we were supposed to get was supposed to be used for some of the operations we were going to use

that some of that for scholarships but that didn't happen they were Ned on that promise so we got the two 50 and we were supposed to get more after we got the 250 and showed how we were going to use that and we did and then there when it came time for uh another allotment of that 544 million it just didn't happen and so and and so yes We depend on the St on that for we we absolutely depend on the money from the from the state the 23% they give us we need that but

what I'm saying is we need the 544 million also and what we don't need them to do is play Down the fact that enrollment is down enrollment being down by 1,900 students that's I mean $20 million that's for one CEST alone that is significant for operations of the University with payroll being a you know $8 million a month or 85 8.5 Million a month you know I heard a number that was maybe twice that but I can't speak to that because I know what it was when I was there in June it was eight eight

and a half million a month was payroll and so just that 20 million was almost the whole semester's payroll what I'm saying is they can't the state can't get away with bad mouth and tissue to the point that students are deciding to go other places students we know why students didn't come back the fall we Know why it's down there some it's on Tennessee state's part too because our biggest months are June July and August there been more we could have done or should have done to get the students get more students in but be

as it may what the state did is unconscionable they created an environment that was so bad that students didn't want to come to is you I know because I'm in the street with I'm on the ground with them I'm in Memphis recruiting in Nashville Recruiting up in East Tennessee recruiting and students are saying we don't think they were afraid that we're gonna lose our HBCU brand because of all the the chaos but said we're gonna put you in the in the community college system parents will listen to that parents I feel more phone calls from

that very moment of saying want you why don't you why don't we put TSU in the community college system they thought they would just become a community College they thought somebody GNA take us over there was too much uncertainty among so many students that really contributed to our enrollment decline now the state won't admit that because in their minds they that's not the problem but they're they're not they're not talking to students we're talking to students we're getting answers from students we students are telling us what is going on in their minds in their families

and their churches and they're Saying stay away from Tennessee State until they get it together they're about to have a state takeover those are the things that parents are saying as to why they're s sending students other places well what do you make of the state controller uh Jason mpower uh trying to get um Tennessee state to sell its Avon Williams campus downtown Nashville uh um he's saying it could net the university some 4 to $50 million uh some are saying oh this is uh Uh these Republicans trying to get their hands on valuable HBCU

land I just shook my head I didn't I have to let him work out with the current president you know I just won't give my opinion they just have to work through that one themselves do you uh do you accept uh do you accept any uh blame for what's going on here was there anything that could have been done differently that should have been done differently you said that uh y'all could have done a better job When it came to uh recruiting students um just just um is there anything that that that should have been

done differently uh under your watch the last three to four years at Tennessee State well we were fine the three to four years we've been fine for the last uh I I was there for 11 and a half years and initially I could do no wrong they labed all degrees they talked about me they love Glend Glover it wasn't until Glend Glover challenged that system of Discrimination against Tennessee State University that's where it all started when I looked him dead in the eye and said you when you say challenge the system do you mean uh

saying sent us that $500 million yes at that time we didn't know how much it was but we know it was something we had done some preliminary numbers ourselves and we had come up with different different sets of numbers but we it was enough to present to them To go with get legislators together one or two legislators together and I won't call any names tonight and and go with me to the governor to meet with the then governor who was really surprised and I believe he he was honest he said he was surprised didn't know

that we were not being funded we were not being matched our funding that was the first thing we had to do was bring to the attention presidents have to be courageous enough to tell the truth you know because there There's so much to they saying that's just so not true because the truth doesn't care whose mouth it comes out of so I was I said somebody there'll be some casualties some pres will be casualties I'm one but I don't take that back you know they're saying to me you know sometime at some point we just

got to stop blaming the state I said what do you mean the state has blamed itself they did the study I didn't that said we owe you 544 million the state is the one That said go into your reserve funds and operate for a moment because we're not going to pay you the money we owe you it's the state that said pay this firm 1.2 million per month not per year per month to run this this this $250 million that we give you and we don't you you have a choice in it you either do

it or you not get any more money to do another project we had so that it was that kind of Cruelty and this kind of hypocrisy that has to be addressed and so now that I'm not president can address it you know I got my first amendment rights back and so that's where we are with this last question for you uh is it insulting to hear the interim president uh and others uh comp uh say that you mismanage resources when you are a certified public accountant uh they make it they're laying it out as if

you had no clue how to manage money you know I know the entring president I've known him for a number of years he and I have Been friends I spoke of his inauguration when he became president of Clark Atlanta so I won't say anything ugly about the entering president I know him I know his wife and and so yes it's hurtful because it takes it's like growing up in a poor home like I did when you watch your mother and father take what little money they had and pay all the bills they were on the

table that's what we have to do because the state has ignored TSU they pretend like They want was best for Te you but yet right now they do so many distractions this is just a distraction from the Monday oh they don't care about this agreement I have my retirement agreement they don't care about the fact that there are no students there right now they in fact I think they like that because now it's like we're so dependent on you to give us some money they're say we're gonna Advance you $43 billion what are you talking

about Advance you owe us Money if you gonna do anything take out the funds you owe us somebody has to say tell the truth you know and so when they say that that's a part that is so unfortunate that they will not speak the truth they rather create distractions and talk about other things rather than say we did not fund TSU properly so here's what we're going to do we're gonna uh remove this restriction of this $250 million it's already in the budget it's already there already B on a way to Go we're GNA remove

that infrastructure that infrastructure restriction and let you use the money for operations rather than say we're going to do this you cut this and then one lawmaker said officer said we're gonna tear it down to the court and build it back up again what do you mean you're gonna tear TSU down and build it back up that that was an outrageous statement I mean it makes your blood crawl to hear somebody say that somebody has a BS degree who knows Nothing about higher education uh uh Advanced education that was so insulting to me that's what's

insulting to talking about me doesn't really matter that much because I look I trust God I know he'll take care of all this I trust God I know that when you when I went to them and told them you have to pay us the money you owe us you know it's like the story of Jesus and I'm not comparing myself to Jesus way but as long as he went about saying I'm the Son of God I came to save The world oh they so he's crazy let him go but the moment he challenged that Roman

establishment they said uhuh he has to go and so and that's situation I find myself in it was fine until we told them you owe us money and you have to pay us the money you owe us you have to pay up and that's when everybody started coming from G the Glover and so but I'm used to a fight you know I was born to fight I grew up in a civil rights home I watched my dad fight in the Civil Rights Movement and so I I was born to for a fight like this it

was fight for my University that I'm passionate about that I love for the students I fight for the students all day every day and so that's what I say I'm happy to be a part of the TSU family I'm happy to be a TSU Al so that I can join in in that fight to get them minded that they owe TSU to get rid of this dog under distraction that they're talking about just so they can keep tears you and and have a way to Say that they're not doing this no we don't have funds

this semester but it's not because what I did it's what the students didn't come back we could have done a little bit better with recruit with in July June July and August that's our biggest months to follow up with the students to do more follow up with them to say to them you know we're not here we know you haven't registered you haven't returned to school but don't put on scholarships they get their Scholarship that was four years ago and even even this first year 800 students that's nothing to do with scholarships that's just to

say that we have 800 students because they were promised scholarship scholarships how many were promised scholarships who give me that name so we can look it up and see that's just simply not true that's a red hair that's a distraction and that's what this this this this general assembly is doing where the key leaders key fol talk They come up with distractions and they love having me as a distraction and but I can clear up my distraction because I got an agreement I have a an agreement that says you have four years left from your

contract so if you want me out of there they were giving me the suggestions on how to do it that's what's so hypocritical about it but that's okay am I um I'm just happy that to be here so we could talk through it and you could see that and by the way we Did leave there was no all the money was not spent they said somebody said all the money was spent that was close to N or1 million dollar left in the the reserve fund and that I'm sure about and so that's what I'm saying

there are so many mistruths and non truths that come out but that's how it is when they're fighting a battle and trying to win a case that is just when there is no case so look before we hang up all right let me say hello to my good friend and The best attorney I've ever come in contact with a Scott B I'm happy always to share a show with him a moment with him because he is by far the the best that you can encounter that one could encounter oh oh Lord I don't even know

if our television is wide enough to fit his head into the screen now Dr Glover we certainly appreciate it thanks a lot thank you thank you so much goodbye all right gonna go to the break folks we'll be right back uh with our Panel including uh the uh totally gas up Scott Balden you're watching Rolland marttin filter right here in the Blackstar Network hi I'm Isa H III founder and CEO of fan base fan base is a free to download free to use Next Generation social media platform that allows anyone to have followers and subscribers

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is going to be it's going to be good all right folks welcome back to Roland Martin unfilter let's get it going with our panel all right joining us uh right now uh gin Reynolds contributor with the root former speech writer to vice President KLA Harris joining us from New Haven Connecticut Daniel Blackman former Point founder of Renaissance 94 out of Atlanta and also a Scott Balden uh he is of course attorney uh former head of the national Bar Association pack and of course as Dr Glover said uh attorney for Dr Glover let me just go

ahead uh I'll start with you Scott see here's the thing that misquoted her she said outand say it again she said outstanding attorney one of the best that's ever Done it that just don't misquote her okay are you still a Rand yeah I'm done all right let's get all right let's get right to it uh here's the thing that is I've seen this in so many other places I've seen these people Republicans and also some Democrats complain about HBCU complain about all sorts of things the state owes them $2.6 billion yeah so you want to

come to me or you whoever you're going to but I will tell You I see it Scott look I'll go to G first no no listen it it this is pure politics Republican legislature you see what they did uh over the last three or four years with their black state legislators that didn't work but the you know TSU is a is a land grant University and college which means there are the federal government gives them money and every other land grant institution like UDC and a couple of black colleges uh in Maryland in fact there's

been ongoing litigation they may have settled it now there was ongoing litigation for this very issue of how the federal government and state governments historically have underfunded these land grant Institutions and then complain that they're mismanaged or they're underfunded or they're they're they've got accounting issues or then scrutiny on what they done with their money you can't have that discussion if you owe That institution money and you don't disagree that you owe them 500 600 million and you don't disagree that the fed's assessment is 2.1 billion but you just say we're not going to pay

you and then we're going to criticize you in interim it is the height of hypocrisy and the depth of arrogance and so Al Glover just laid it out uh the other thing she did not say is you know she's got certified uh signed executed contracts they're two contracts right They paid her on part of her first contract which was the buyout The Bard of Trustees approved this they General Council approved this and and these are representative some were representatives of the Republican Administration and the governor's office who makes appointments to that board they paid part

of it already so they can't get out of the first contract and the second contract is a four-year contract well she's actually performing she's working it's Not like a you know it's not like a buyou she's special advisor to the president everybody signed off on it so her job is to raise money and to be an ambassador for the uh for TSU which she's been doing they've paid her three or four months on that contract she's not an NWI employee she's a contract employee unless they want to breach the contract because right now they they're

currently in breach of the contract I sent them a letter yesterday demanding Or reminding them they're in breach the contract and to cure it because their financial Wes is in one bucket but my clients got a con two contracts and the other that they've been performing on so it's hard to get around it and for public officials to say terminate that contract well if it goes to litigation they're going to be the first witnesses that get called in Discovery because they're trying to interfere with that contract simply because they want a Scapegoat not GNA happen

under our Collective watch and thank you for covering this so long with her this morning this afternoon rather see Gavin this is the thing that that that that I need a lot of our people to understand they got to understand the games that are being played here so you withhold money from Tennessee State you send money to University of Tennessee you fund their operations when they have a Housing issue you help them acquire hotels and so then you say well um y'all having problems over here why is it that the governor and the Republicans legislature

how is it that they were e they easily found money to build a new stadium for the Tennessee Titans in Nashville but they can't find the money for Tennessee State well see episodes like these just Remind us of the prioritization or the deprioritization that states have on black progress and we've seen this throughout history obviously this is not happening in a vacuum uh either In This Moment In Time just at TSU it's happening at other universities we talk about how uh public land grain HBCU have been underfunded two billion dollar over the past 30 years

but it's also been happening over time and it's not just in terms of universities right states have Looked for so many ways and it's the present day Republican super majorities who have always been the ones to do whatever they can to stifle black progress we saw this during Reconstruction when black folks were making tremendous progress towards self-governing those in power at the time uh who opposed reconstruction then tried to claim that black people were incapable of governing themselves which led to the violent Overthrow of reconstruction and I we saw that happen in a modern day

context with TSU earlier this year when Governor Lee passed or signed the bill that the state legislature the general assembly passed to dissolve the whole board again another example in our nation's history playing out right now on the campus of TSU War being waged by the State against black progress again to show that as they say black people are not capable of governing themselves and again this is Happening across the country not just in higher education but in so many other capacities and we should prepare by the way over the next four years for more

of this not just with magga Republicans at the state level but also Donald Trump at the federal level we see in the cabinet nominees that he's putting in place right now a complete um antagonization of the black community whether it's going to be whoever ends up leading the doj uh or any other cabinet Department which over the past four years has actually been committed to equity and diversity and supporting black progress we're going to see a lot of that progress be erased over the next four years not just in Tennessee but across the country I

I just sit here and you know I I I've covered so these issues uh so often Daniel I've covered them uh out of 107 HBCU I've been a 60 of them I have sat down and I have had conversations with Presidents with voter trustees with alumni and on and on and on and I don't care and and it is a fact it is a fact I I have talked to enough people who are graduates of Tennessee State uh people in the legislature Republicans in Tennessee had no problem with what was happening at Tennessee State most

of them have never even visited the campus until they asked for their money then all of a sudden stuff Changed I mean look look you're singing to the choir man I mean I'm a Alum of Clark Atlanta University my wife's in Al Lum of Spelman College we get it we we see the Playbook and you know you brother martin you're in Georgia and you know when you think of what the University of Georgia and Fort Valley as a land grant College went through this same scenario where when they did the audit they found that the

University of Georgia as an a agricultural University And and Fort Valley which is an HBCU and also a l Grant college what they realized was that there was a disproportionate amount of funding coming into the state that was going to ug versus Fort Valley and we saw that right and the same thing we're seeing and I I I think we really need to just pay attention to what's happening not only now but this has been going on with HBCU and the attack on our HBCU similar to our black Farmers has been going on For over

a decade we've seen this and I think this is now the epitome of what they can do um as you mentioned earlier I think now that the president has the house and the Senate the courts and his first term we're going to see a Massive Attack on HBCU and funding that they're owed and I think we need to be very serious and intentional about not only paying attention but we can't wait till this gets to the next second third fourth or fifth HBCU if we don't come Together now not just as an Alum but as

a community behind what's happening at this institution um we're we're going to be in trouble and it's not just going to be those types of schools when it comes into other areas uh we we can't cry foul then if we're not raising our voices now uh with what's going on at TCU TSU and and here's the thing Scott this does not mean that we cannot have accountability with our institutions I am not one who says that goes on them I Believe you got to have your tees Cross Your Eyes dotted I believe you must be

doing stuff the right way I must I believe your paperwork must be right I believe those things must be happening I believe you must be looking at Best Practices and you must be doing the best with what you what you got but again again when I look at what's when I saw that hearing and these Republicans are like I don't understand why are all these students going to Tennessee State And they're not going to our other schools because they don't want to go to your other schools and this is the reality that people need to

understand Republicans in Tennessee do not want Tennessee state to look like the University of Tennessee they want University of Tennessee to be the Flagship of a university they don't want that because now you truly do have options the reality is one of the reasons that many black students uh who Who bypass HBCU it's a question of facilities you don't have the Wi-Fi you don't have the dorms you don't have the amenities and if you have a university that's sitting here and they are old $2.6 billion doll can you imagine this ain't hard at all if

they're saying TSU has a $43 million shortfall if they gave TSU is $2.6 billion that means that if TSU enroll 800 new students every year for the next decade then they could spend $500 Million on a shortfall and still have 2.1 billion left over what that means that Tennessee State potentially could be investing that 2.6 billion dollars and actually be reaping the benefits of that and so people need to understand there's accountability in the part of the university and administrators absolutely but we should never let these lawmakers off the hook that have cheated Tennessee State

Fort Valley State Florida A&M Texas other university all Of these public hpcu out of federal taxpayer dollars that boosted predominantly white institutions yeah it's a simple calculation it don't get it don't get any simpler than that and you know you dro the mic on that and then you look at the Republican decision makers and then you say well why won't you pay them and whether they got excuses or not it doesn't really matter because if it was the white school in those States they They catch that money up in a heartbeat because they never got

behind because it was all supposed to be distribution but here's the other thing about money and accountability Roland I'm On The Board of Trustees for morous a Cher to governance committee deal with these issues all the time uh even as a private institution that gets Federal help the number one reason students cannot go to historical black colleges isn't just the facilities but we don't Have enough money to give them scholarships at a level high enough that we can compete with white institutions of academic learning they have more money and better facilities so then you say

accountability okay but if I'm underfunded right there is a direct relationship between capabilities and competence and ability to be accountable and money if I got the money I can hire talented people and keep me accountable on the books and so forth and so on if I Can't afford to pay people I'm paying them less and those who are the ones who are more the the best they're going to go somewhere else and get paid more money so then I have to hire who I can hire right who they may not be the best in what

they do but they're committed to the HBC you and the mission and what have you and so I don't put accountability and the money owed in separate buckets that it's one bucket there's a direct relationship between it And after the covid money came to HBCU and made all of them debt free they were able to hire the best in the but in order to sustain that if you if the state owes these A&M's money they got to pay them they got to pay up at some point or you're gonna have a Perpetual problem you can't

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to Roland Martin unfiltered [Music] I folks I'm breaking news uh moments ago in North Carolina I told y'all how the Republicans in North Carolina do how they are always trash they now because the Democrats won the go Governor's race Lieutenant governor's race Secretary of State Attorney General now these Republicans have passed laws stripping loads of power from the governor because they don't want Democrats having the control um let's go right now let's go right now to give me one second um I'm going to go live to uh Our Guest uh she's uh joining us right

now give me one second I'm pulling the information up um Amber Baker she's uh North Carolina state representative Amber glad is Amber there I'm here can you hear me okay Amber glad to have you here so yeah y'all can hear you here's the deal because of the what happened in the vote y'all have been able to break the Republican super majority so they're trying to Ram through these laws to strip all sorts of power from uh the Democrats that were elected tell the people uh how dashly the Republicans are the work that they're doing there

uh in North Carolina uh amber we lost your sound we trying to get trying to get it back so hold on one second uh do we have her now Amber you just keep talking Amber all right y'all so y'all let me know when we have Amber yeah now we got you Amber now are you there can you hear me yeah we hear you Amber go right ahead okay so we thought we were just coming in to deal with the governor's veto and perhaps the uh third uh round of relief Hurricane Relief um but that was

not What we dealt with uh first of all they gave us 118 page uh bill for the relief bill um very few of uh the dollars were directed towards continued relief over 500 million was in there for vouchers um and then there was a a a whole plethora of bills stripping away the powers uh for the education department um judges being Stripped Away uh Powers being put under the under the the newly elected Republican um uh Treasurer it it was just bananas and I Mean the the bill that did the most amount of damage uh

was not even known to the people that what the bill really was so the bill came in as a dental uh hygiene Bill uh but then it was turned into a conference report and a whole bunch of really crazy legislation was added and then sent over to the Senate so the next step was for the Senate to approve that bill today it will be going to the governor's office uh tomorrow we expect that the governor will veto it um And we're scheduled to come back on December 2nd which um their goal probably will be to

try to overturn that veto what also is important to notice is that we to we have four Democrats that voted with them and so even though we uh anticipate a one seat majority in the upcoming um session we've got to begin to neutralize those Democrats that will continue to vote with the Republicans on some of this craziness And and see again the same thing happened in Wisconsin Democrat was elected Tony ever Republicans Tri them of power this is what they do it's all about retribution it's all about holding on to power and this is why

I keep trying to explain to people why the Supreme Court racist matter at one point the Democrats had a majority on the state supreme court and then they could have had a 6 to1 majority Beasley lost it was 4 to3 then the court fli now Republicans 5-2 majority Allison rigs is holding on uh you've got Anita ears is going to be up in 2026 three Republicans are on the ballot in 2028 and so folk have got to be focused in flipping this supreme court from Republican to Democrat that will also stop a lot of the

things that Republicans are doing in North Carolina and they they can't be distracted just by what's happening at the federal level you know although what Trump is uh partic anticipating on doing um when he sworn in in January very much mirrors what's happening at the states and as you said so many times and others as well is that we have to be focused on our state races and what's happening in our state legislature that we can be the Gap stop between what Trump is p uh proposing and what actually can happen in our respective States

so the fact that they now have they right now they still have control of the uh Senate We're waiting on a couple of races still to be called we did break it in the house by one vote but and Allison Riggs is holding on to her seat by just slightly over a hundred votes they're still waiting for a couple of counties to be counted um it is important for people to understand what's happening at the state level uh Mo green who was the first African-American uh superintendent of schools State superintendent of Instruction uh that's another

reason why they are dismantling that another 500 million went yesterday to vouchers if nothing else they they misunderstood the Optics of that we still have so many um more issues pressing issues that need to be addressed in Western uh North Carolina and and so the the least of those was an additional 500 million to go to vouchers well uh listen y'all hands are full uh let me do this here I know my Panel may have some questions um uh Gavin uh you got a question for the State Rep uh yeah representative uh thanks so much

for joining us and for what you're doing on the ground in North Carolina I'm from Georgia myself and I know the fight that we're up against in the South so thank you for the fight that you're fighting for us um can you talk a little bit more about the proposed changes to uh the appointments the state elections Board I've read and you kind of alluded to this a minute ago that there are some proposed changes to put the power of who gets appointed to that board uh now with the state auditor who will be a

republican right in the next session so can you talk a little bit more about that provision how would work yeah so um as as some of your viewers may know is that we had the first female black female that was appointed to that position and uh we Were hopeful that she would have been um elected to that position which would have given us the governor the lieutenant governor the secretary of state and attorney general But but so it the way it worked out it didn't so now the way that the legislation is written is that

all 100 counties in terms of who gets appointed um will be now under the jurisdiction of the auditor so he will control all 100 uh uh jurisdictions voting jurisdictions for Our state uh Scott yeah uh representative good evening you know the first question uh is always is the legislation legal is is the the legislator's kind of general council's office signing off on the constitutionality and the legality of this legislation it just seems to be out of whack with the will of the people and those Democrats who are elected uh and secondly you know the Republicans

do Retribution a lot better than Democrats do I don't care what jurisdiction you're in are you all planning some retribution for these four Democrats who have lost their minds and voted with the Republicans uh while we have not discussed that directly I I I anticipate that um that will be some of the discussion that we need to have and to for it to be addressed addressed because um as you've heard me say on here before we needed to flip more than one seat um Because three you know we have consistently had three or more Democrats

that have historically voted with the Republicans so this was nothing new but we had hope that it given the extreme nature of what they were trying to do that they would have voted uh with with their with their party and and indeed with us as a caucus terms of the legality of it right now they don't care they they have the Supreme Court so they are they are prepared to take whatever Actions they need to take all the way to the Supreme Court and again I will remind the viewers that the Supreme Court um is

house one of the the son of the of the uh speaker protim in the Senate so the speaker Pro Tim's son serves on the Supreme Court and so he has refused to accuse him recuse himself on anything um that is in conflict and so that's what we're dealing with we also know that two of the U Superior Court judges Positions were um in the process of being decommissioned for lack of a better word and those POs vacated I'm sorry and those positions will now um also come under a uh Republican Le Department uh the two

the two positions were one right here in fory County um Superior Court Judge Ty Burke um because he had ruled against uh the the maps um and the Jerry Mander maps and another judge who I can't think of his name right now but again he also had ruled Against the Republicans and so when we talk about retribution and retaliatory actions those two judges potentially could be without position um at the end of their terms real quick one last quick question that is does the legislature both houses uh are they veto proof or can they override

the governor's veto in much of this legislation let me not at this point uh we are we are we heard about one seat Yesterday um but they they did lose a couple of seats so and there are still a couple of races there are tossup races in the Senate so right now they do not have um The veto proof majority in the Senate we are still awaiting some the final Resorts final results on a couple of races over there but right now we are holding it uh by one seat good luck thank you uh Daniel

go ahead yeah I think you know representative Baker my biggest Question Roland bought it up earlier and and that's these races in 2028 and I think there needs to be a long-term strategy too often we see Democratic spaces where we're planning for the next election whereas they're planning a decade out so could you talk just a little bit about what is your plan looking at you know focusing on the Supreme Court in 2028 looking at other seats that are coming up to start planning now for long-term transitional Power that Democrats quite frankly haven't really yielded

so I'll be honest with you it's both a it's is and both and and but right we need to not only focus on 2028 but we have uh the midterms started on November 6 see we run every two years in in in North Carolina both in the house and in the Senate so we can't bypass 2026 elections we came very close to flipping a number Of seats and so we need to also focus on 2020 6 in terms of ensuring that we hold on to and extend our uh veto proof majority in the house and

indeed work with the Senate to make sure that they get the veto proof majority uh in in the Senate and and that needs to occur in 2026 with that being said you know this was the first time that we implemented a 100 County strategy and we were competing and contesting in districts that we hadn't um and so there is a Focus on making sure that we re-engage our rle voters which is extremely critical and also making sure that we are reaching out to those unaffiliated voters um to make sure that we can engage them in

a way that they now are a part of our Democratic caucus to begin to sh up these races and here's the reality that you don't hear uh any of the mainstream media talking about but indeed as always a conversation on Rolland show is that we can't overcome Racism and the refusal of America to deal with the racism and the refusal no matter how qualified a black candidate is that it is difficult for us to overcome that so the the best way to do that is to extend our base um and spend time with our young

people find out what's important to them what does campaigning look like in this generation it doesn't look like our campaigning it doesn't look like our parents campaigning so how do we engage and Motivate these young voters and I can tell you here in Winston Salem Winston Salem State students were not playing day one when students started to move in they were out there registering voters keeping students engaged so people are paying attention and as Democrats we have got to be in tune to what our par what our party currently looks like and we need to

deliver on the promises that are always made around election time but never delivered On representative uh we appreciate it uh thank you so very much representative Baker uh look y'all keep up the fight thank you sir folks we we come back got little heated on Capitol Hill over the issue of Dei congresswomen summer Lee and Jasmine Crockett they were having none of it we going to show y'all next on Rolland Mar unfiltered on the Blackstar Network what's up y'all look fan base is more than a platform it's a movement to Empower creators offering a unique

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Trump storms the US capital we've seen sh we're about to see the rise of what I call White Minority resistance we have seen white folks in this country who simply cannot tolerate black folks voting I think what we're seeing is the inevitable result of violent denial this is part of American History every time that people of color have made progress whether real or symbolic there is been what Carol Anderson at H University calls white rage as a backlash is the Wrath of the proud boys and the bugaloo boys America there's going to be more of

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watch watch what happens next [Music] oh man things got heated on Capitol Hill y'all they were dealing with the issue of Dei and let me tell you something oh the two of the black women on this panel were not having any of it first up here Is congresswoman Jasmine Crockett of Texas bringing the so many of you know that I practice law but some of you don't realize that I actually was a business major out of rhs college in Memphis Tennessee and uh the emphasis that I got in my business degree was on finance and

as I traveled the country campaigning this election cycle one of the things that I talked about was this idea that in finance we always promote this idea of diversity um If you know anything about a portfolio the one thing that you want to do is make sure that it's as diverse as possible because at times certain stocks will perform better than others um and they will exemplify various strengths and weaknesses and together a diverse portfolio is usually what any good Finance person would um promote they wouldn't promote that you solely invest in vanilla wafers believing

that that is going to be the strongest portfolio but Instead they might want to add add some chocolate cake and some Twinkies into the mix to make sure that we have the best portfolio because there will be different preferences by different people and again there will be different strengths but as I sit here and I think about what we say and what I'm hearing as it relates to diversity when it comes to anything outside of making money and to be clear we are losing GDP every time we try to push back on this idea of

Diversity because all of us bring something different to the table but you consistently said over and over the word oppression and every time that you said it it was almost as if I was hearing Nails on a chalkboard because it seems like you don't understand the definition of Oppression and I'd ask you to just refer to Google to help you out oppression is the prolonged cruel or unjust treatment or control that is the definition of Oppression and so as I sit Here as a black woman who practice civil rights let me tell you the reason

that my colleagues wanted to make sure you understood the same black history that your your side of the aisle wants to delete out of classrooms is because you can then misuse words like oppression there has been no oppression for the white man in this country you tell me which white men were dragged out of their homes you tell me which one of them got dragged all the way across an Ocean and told that you were going to go and work we are going to steal your wives we are going to rape your wives that didn't

happen that is oppression we didn't ask to be here we not the same migrants that y'all constantly come up against we didn't run away from home we were stolen so yeah we are going to sit here and be offended when you want to sit here and act like and and and don't let It Escape you that it is white men on this side of the aisle telling us people of color on this side of the aisle that that y'all are the ones being oppressed that y'all are the ones that are being harmed that's not the

definition of Oppression you tell me the prolonged cruel or unjust treatment that you've had and we can have a conversation you could start with Exodus the final thing that I will say on this particular issue two things there is an article from the Guardian and it is a little old it's from 2021 so I apologize but it said that back then just three years ago white men represent 30% of the population but 62% of office holders these are the issues that we are constantly looking at and recognizing and trying to say is this just I

can't even tell you how many white men have served in this chamber but I can tell you that I am only the 55th black woman to be elected to Congress and so when you want to talk about history and pretend as if it was so so long ago it wasn't because again I am just number 55 finally when we started to talk about what do these numbers do as we're trying to say the diversity equity and inclusion is the problem the reality is that when it comes to financial performance companies with more diverse workforces are

more likely to outperform their competitors companies in the top Quartile for racial diversity are 35% more likely to outperform their peers on profitability companies with diverse executive teams are 25% more likely to generate greater profits diverse companies earn 2.5 times higher cash flow per employee diversity works and until you can show me data that says otherwise I think that we need to go back to being a country that listens to experts and gets out of our feelings and recognizes again That racism is real in this country and until we stop pretending that it's not we

will not solve the problems that we are consistently facing and that will bring real Unity that we seek when we're looking for a more perfect union con Lee she said I want some of that I'm um not in favor of the dismantle diversity Equity inclusion act or um would it maybe would more aptly be called the dismantling any semblance of support or opportunity for certain American acts we know who those Americans are Americans who have not enjoyed centuries of unfair advantages by keeping others enslaved or segregated or disenfranchised or incarcerated or redlined or Jerry mandard

or excluded by law Americans who've lived with disabilities or have their relationships criminalized or their gender expression demonized if we're being honest here this bill which will wipe out every diversity equity and inclusion program In our federal agencies plus those who contract with us plus those who receive grant money plus our schools is nothing new this is just the final piece of a decades long obsession with targeting and dismantling anything that might give marginalized people a fair shot including Dei programs which honestly started the second the Civil Rights Act passed policies like affirmative action and

diversity Equity inclusion are the closest things we've had to the mythical Bootstraps that some of my colleagues insist historically and currently harmed communities need to pick themselves up a after centuries of efforts to keep us out of schools and universities from jobs and elected office Republicans targeting these policies or no accident why do predominantly conservative white men believe that the success of a black person or the opportunity or access of a black person is an existential threat to them de has not given any unfair Advantage that Society itself does not already confer on certain Americans

it merely exists to ensure that all other people that women minoritized folks queer folks disabled folks have the same opportunities to succeed and thrive in our Workforce and our schools as people who have not had those opportunities systematically and legally stripped from them doe is our country not greater when all of us have opportunities to succeed and contribute and survive our success And our survival as a nation is bound together diversity equity and inclusion programs only exist to Band-Aid over decades hell centuries of discrimination against people's skin color their religion disabilities gender or sexual orientations

you name it contrary to Republican conjecture remedying past discrimination is not in turn a discrimination and we're not going to sit here and pretend racism is over just because one black person on the Supreme Court agreed that it should be what Dei does not do is give some kind of magical pass to better jobs like some of our colleagues are implying that middle word Equity does not mean more than or better than it means treating people Fair and impartially it means working to fix generational and systemic discrimination to the betterment of all of us and

all of our institutions but instead Republicans are trying to bastardize the term Dei to be a slur When Justice kadangi Brown Jackson was up for confirmation and when vice president Harris was added to the ticket they called them Dei hires they want you to believe that a Harvard graduate with over 20 years of experience who happens to be a black woman is not qualified but a Fox News personality is qualified to run the Department of Defense in the W uh WWE executive is qualified to run the Department of Education let's be real there is an

attempt to create a a direct Correlation between our race being a black person and our qualifications so much to say that there is no way to be a black woman there is no resume that a black person could have that would qualify them unless that black person is a Republican and there is a quota there and while all of this has happened at the top level of our government I can promise you these same things are happening on every single level of government and private sector but those People don't have a national platform to speak

out against discriminatory treatment where is a federal worker supposed to turn when another coworker says a racist comment to them in the breakroom where is the same-sex couple who has denied housing supposed to uh because of their relationship excuse me supposed to turn where is a pregnant woman who was fired for being pregnant supposed to go often the only place that they have to give them recourse are the Diversity equity and inclusion programs these folks just want to do their jobs serving the American people in an environment that feels safe and supports them making work

a better safer environment for some does not mean it automatically is worse for others and the those complaining about di training are probably the ones who need it the most my Republican colleagues have got to stop punching down on already marginalized communities and face their Own fears of a Level Playing Field privately it's shameful I yell back see that's what I'm talking about Daniel why you got to have black representation the let me tell you something man uh I wish them sisters had a campaign donation button up when they were speaking we have to stand

up when we see people not just speaking truth to power but you know we cannot continue to allow the types of things that are happening To continue without being vocal and I think one thing about this group this this platform I'm sharing with you all and with our other speakers is we're seeing this happen in real time and there was a time in my generation I'm 45 there was a time in my generation that a lot of us were like we don't see how they could have did this in 1968 or they wouldn't have hit

me like this when I was crossing the Edmund Pettis this is our 1968 this is our time to not just Sit in the corner idly by we have too many Brilliant Minds coming out of of Howard and Clark Atlanta morouse Spellman Florida A&M we we can no longer stand idly by while they are doing these under the threat that they're just going to happen so I actually am not only proud of what those sisters said I'm not only proud of how they stood there but I hope they inspired people around them to do the same

because as you heard the uh the second sister uh miss summer Lee When she mentioned about the qualifications we're acting as if we haven't been disrespected in the sense of being over qualified heck Michelle Obama was the most decorated educated degree having first lady in the history of our country yet and still there were questions about her qualifications as a first lady so when we see these things happening to vice president Harris or to our sister that sits on the Supreme Court uh justice Brown we have to step Up and stop allowing them to dumb

it down and accept it as if it's normal gin yeah look Roland I mean the past few weeks have been really hard for a lot of Democrats including myself but you know hearing these clips I feel a lot of Hope about the future of our party because of young leaders like congresswoman Lee uh and congresswoman Crockett and if I could speak just about Jasmine Crockett for a minute no one says it quite like She does I think she's one of the most effective communicators and Messengers that we have in the entire Democratic party uh I'm

really excited that a lot of people got to know her and got to see her and hear her uh during this campaign cycle at the DNC where I was on the speech writing team as you know Roland uh and on this very show I remember Rand um on the first day of early voting in Texas you did an interview with her and uh so platforms like these so important Right for making sure the American people including those in our community know about those leaders who are in these spaces and in these rooms speaking up about

the issues that matter most to our community I think it's also important to underscore that you know congresswoman Lee Crockett and you know all those who are in our Congressional Black Caucus they're not just speaking up about these issues they're speaking up about the issues that matter most uh To the American people whether it's a cost of food the cost of housing Healthcare acces reproductive Freedom they're on the front lines for so many of these issues that directly impact our communities and of course the EI and the attacks that we're seeing um are included in

that but our leaders are on the front lines making sure that our country moves forward on so many issues and I think with these clips we're reminded of just how fortunate our Community is and in fact um the American people are to have Representatives true Representatives like Jasmine Crockett and summer Lee who were standing up for our community and for the people and against these attacks that magga Republicans again it's their side that's bringing these attacks that are talking about Dei and all of this they're the ones who are bringing these attacks and they going

to be a lot of them over the next four years but I'm so grateful and I'm excited that we have Representatives like Sumer Lee and Jasmine Crockett and I know Jasmine Crockett ran for dpcc chair earlier this week that's a democratic policy and Communications uh committee she didn't win but I'm really excited to see how she and congresswoman Lee uh continue to lead and to rise within this party you know Scott um there are a lot of people obviously uh who Are frustrated they're sad they are angry they are people talking about giving up all

sort stuff like that and I've had people I've had people tell me I me I don't understand how you just moved on I said well first of all I didn't just move on I said I I said I know what happened I said but what I also realize is there is a tomorrow and you're looking at two individuals Republicans right now control the house They're going to control the Senate they're going to control the White House after after January 20th and and I just got to remind people that there were days when Oscar the priest

when Ralph meta when um John Conor that's right when you had black you had black folks who were in Congress and they had Adam Clayton Powell and They were they were dealing with just straight up hardcore violent racist and they went to work every day they went to work every day in the face of Jim Crow Jim Crow segregation and I think what this generation has to understand is it's now your time and you can either give up be desponded be sad go into a state of depression or you can fight and for me I'm

not going to do That Joe and Ma did go to go to Margo and let's do a reset hell no my studio is two blocks from the White House my studio is two blocks from the White House I have absolutely no intention no intention on going to the White House for the next four years after January 20th I'm not going to normalize this Administration I'm not going to sit here and play footsy with this Administration but I need folk to understand that damn it there is still a fight to be had because there is still

a tomorrow that we must focus on and that's what these two sisters are doing yeah yeah you know Roland I talk to juries for a living at least three or four times a year and so when I hear the sisters talk I I'm listening not just for Cadence but substance eloquence articulation and discipline and no emotion right and What bothers me most about those two presentations aren't the presentations but how eloquently they laid out the hypocrisy and and what bothers me is that the hypocrisy that is so clear in the both sides of this issue

why it's not resonating with the majority of Americans that that why don't they get it or if they get it they just ignore it and I'm not talking about just Republicans I'm talking about Independents and and Democrats as well Why 50% of America voted for Donald Trump and are endorsing these these appointments that are nothing less than embarrassing you know I think you're right about you know I think about the brothers and sisters our parents our grandparents who fought in the 30s 40s 50s 60s 70s and 80s right what character or manner of men they

were to fight against outright segregation and racial oppression and the Night Riders you know I think about your parents who not only The pick a line but were registering people to vote for the last 30 40 50 years of of my dad and Reverend Singleton and Joliet Illinois who were foot soldiers for Martin Luther King and in the face desegregating education institution hospitals and the government they let me tell you something those were the real Freedom Fighters we we we see like we don't want to fight that much or there not that much to fight

about but my father on his deathbed said We've seen Trump before we've seen him worse he talked about Governor Wallace and bull Conor in Philadelphia he said you know we y'all y'all crazy about Trump but let me tell you something we've been fighting this same stuff for the last 30 40 50 years or 200 years if you will so to the young people and to my generation load up we got to ride out you may not like the fight you may think that we gotten past that but as Professor GL day says or Glaw says

America's got to face the racism and sexism misogyny and xenophobia that it is not who it wants it to be not who America wants to be but who it is because this is this last election showed us who America still is as we try to form this more perfect union is a ton of more work to do and we can't do it by so you're right you can you can get be depressed for a day or two but in the end you got to get up and get back in the fight because the fight Is

real and not going away and it's not going to change we not gonna win unless it's up to us unless we do it so we all have that responsibility absolutely all right folks hold tight one second going to a break we come back uh we going to talk about Black Wall Street uh becoming a getting moving close to getting National mon and also why are Republicans so scared to release the house ethics report on Matt Gates Lord what's wrong with y'all maybe y'all don't want anybody know what's in it oh I can't wait my pound

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Johnson says absolutely not but you have folks like Senator John Corin who's on the Senate uh uh Judiciary Committee who says absolutely they must have access to it now normally when you're vetting somebody to be attorney general the FBI actually does uh the investigation Donald Trump doesn't want that what is it Scott they clearly don't want FKS to Know cour M Matt Gates has been accused uh of actually uh statutory rape uh of having sex with uh underage girls that's not having sex that's called statutory that's called rape uh they have payments Uh they have

records showing that he made uh you know $10,000 vinmo payments um of course the guy who he was accused of doing stuff with uh he played guilty uh and so it's all kind of and then you have then you have Republican members of Congress who say that Matt Gates has actually uh has history of being going on the floor and showing folks photos and videos of his sexual Conquest this is from Republican members of the house but they don't want the public to know But they want this man to be the nation's highest law enforcement

official come on he said you know what rape and sexual abuse and sexual assault has never been a disqualifier for the Republicans just come on if you got the power and you think you got the vote come on come on come on you know this Donald Trump supported uh the the Republican Senate candidate uh uh and when was it about 10 years ago when when Trump between 2016 And 2020 uh Roy Moore down in uh Texas I'm sorry down in Alabama and he was a certified serial dater and and and um uh uh data of

young women who were underage and having sex with them certified and Donald Trump himself has been found liable for sexual abuse and so Matt Gates you know he they traffic in this sexual abuse and it is not a disqualifier and yet the majority of white women vote for Trump vote for these candidates it is the height of Hypocrisy because you know if they were black and Democrat they would be out range about the the sexual abuse uh whether it's civil or criminal or what have you so he's a disruptor and ran as I said I

don't mind disruptors quite frankly because disruptors can get stuff done but you have to be qualified right because if you don't know what you don't know then people have agendas and they come and advise you you can't sort through what's real and what isn't real And the political Dynamics and that means they can hold you and capture you and so that's the real issue experience but character and personality should matter and it doesn't with Donald Trump and he won and so there consequences for these races I don't think Gates gets they're gonna leak that report

probably and and the media by the way is lasting the the lawyers for these two women who were underage they they have sworn statements that they saw gates at a pool Having sex with a 17 year old and they got sworn statements on it so they can they can they cannot put that report out that report's coming out though you watch it's coming out and it's going to get ugly and make it very hard Republicans def yeah g g here's the crazy thing um they they're attitude is like okay we don't care they're making excuses

Mike Johnson Mr Mr Purity okay Mr super duper Christian uh I mean these people bow They these people Bow Down down at the feet of Donald Trump again this is a cult okay this is this is they are an absolute coat because whatever this man wants sure here you go here you go okay morals ethics values principles Integrity we don't care whatever you want and uh and you you got Republicans who in the Senate you got Tommy tub Bill the dumbest United States Senator out of Alabama like oh I'm going to go I'm going to

go after any Republican who Oppos Matt Gates man go sit your dumb ass down go ahead yeah no this is a this is a certified it's a certified cult and here's the thing with Donald Trump right the only qualifications about which he cares are you going to be loyal to me that is the full stop the single only qualification that he cares about and the reporting that I read in terms of how Matt Gates ended up being nominated for this position he wasn't even being Vetted by his transition team Donald Trump was on Trump Force

W the morning that he announced this pick and had a phone call with Matt Gates and Matt Gates told him you know all these other people you're considering what you know they're probably talking about their fancy legal doctrines and theories but I'm going to come in and cut heads for you at doj that's all it took for Donald Trump to be like that's my guy and he did not Look anyone who's heard the name Matt Gates over the past few years the only thing they associate with Matt Gates is pedophile at least at least that's

the case for me and I know that's the case for all the Republicans he serves within the house and who serve across from him in the Senate absolutely American people deserve to know the truth about Matt Gates and that's why this ethics committee's got to release their report but whether or not they do the Constitution says that the Senate must give the president their advice and consent for cabinet nominees it doesn't say that somehow a president who wins the popular vote is entitled to have anyone they want in the cabinet and that's what concerns me

the rhetoric right now seems to be that oh Donald Trump's Victory gave him some mandate which by the way is not true because he's now dropped below 50% of the vote but they're saying that because he won The popular vote that Senators need to get in line that is not true no president is entitled to strong arm their way to a confirmed cabinet and my fear above all is that uh whether it's Matt Gates or someone else whoever is going to get confirmed here is going to be the one who's going to carry out what

Donald Trump has said he's going to do to weaponize the Department of Justice and go after his political opponents whoever he thinks they are the people He's called the enemy from within and look the last thing I'll say is the job of the Attorney General and I'm a law student right now so I've been learning all about this over the past few years is one that requires you to have a profound dedication to the rule of law and to the Constitution why because the attorney general has a great deal of power over things like national

security firearms immigration prisons drug enforcement and the decision of whe Whether to bring investigations against high level officials and there's a reason why the doj has been independent from the president uh over the history of our country it's a very serious job and our leader whoever leads the Department of Justice needs to treat it as such and I don't have a vote but I hope that those who do will vote on their conscience on whoever the nominee is after reviewing their record after reviewing they don't have they don't Have a conscience Daniel somebody somebody posted

this Daniel somebody posted this tweet I predi says we spent four years hearing about every detail of Hunter Biden sex life but we can't even see a report about a republican who has been with underage girls really yeah you know here's the thing man I you know what what bothers me is is I'm an actual presidential appointee I did not go through a confirmation process but I was appointed by President Biden to head the The Environmental Protection Agency as a regional administrator my background check had to go through the FBI the CIA I had Financial

I had people interviewed I had to go through a top secret clearance process where if I had an outstanding debt it had to be paid I had to sign a Biden ethics pledge before I could even get sworn in I had to sign a pledge that I will follow an ethical mandate outside of the the president of the United States and also fully align with the policies that were in place of the of said Administration so my concern is that you know we we already know there was a time where I would say there were

a sense of hopeless optimism but we're this this confirmation process is not is going to do the it's the best gift we could have gotten because what this is going to confirm to us is what we already know these individuals you know I think we're past the level of Conscience past the level of you know um um qualification you know we have raised a generation that has normalized foolishness normalized a lack of integrity normalized disrespectful Behavior normal abuse so I think that what this is going to do is it is it is the last layer

of showing what can happen and the the biggest thing and and and um and and my my dear brother just said it look the Attorney General is not just you know in a position to work with The justice department or prosecute cases or oversee the rule of law the prisons and this gentleman has already praised practices in El Salvador where there is no re form there is no correction there is no restoration and re acclamation to society so we need to be very clear that these positions that are being appointed go far beyond the titles

they go directly into to mass incarceration how our communities are restored and how black men will have a Chance to transition and reactivate themselves to society and we need to pay attention uh let's talk about the Department of Justice they're investigating the doj is investigating the Fatal shooting of Sonia Massie uh in Illinois that took place of course uh in July sha Grayson uh the deputy who shot and killed her has been fired and has also been charged with murder he has pled not guilty the doj is demanding all records related the shooting as it

Investigates how local authorities treat black residents and people with behavioral disabilities of course a 36y old Massie was killed in July when deputies responded to a call about a possible Prowler at her home she was shot three times uh by Grayson uh also folks uh let's uh was just talk about this here in Louisiana the battle to require all Public School classrooms to display the 10 commandment continues the fifth us Circuit Court of Appeals extremely conservative court of appeals rejected a state request to temporarily stay an earlier order by US District Judge John deales in

Baton Rouge while litigation continues now arguments will take place before the fifth circuit panel on January 23rd a three judge panel of the fifth circuit uh issued an order last Friday allowing the law requiring the displays to take effect in school districts without parents challenging The measure of course in June Governor Jeff Landry magga Governor signed House Bill 71 into law requiring Public School classrooms to display quote certain historical documents among them the Ten Commandments the Mayflower Compact Declaration of Independence and the northwest or ordinance you notice he didn't include the mancipation proclamation in that

um a bipartisan bill to make Oklahoma's Black Wall Street a n National Monument uh has Moved out of a senate committee with unanimous approval setting up the possibility for a full Senate vote before the end of the year the US Senate energy and natural natural resources committee approved the measure to establish the historic Greenwood District Black Wall Street National Monument as a unit of the national park system the bill now heads to the full for a floor vote the District of course was home to one of the most prosperous Black communities in the US uh

of course just one generation after slavery but it was a racist white mob that burned it down killing 300 black folks uh on May 31st and June 1st of 1921 uh and there's two survivors uh of that Massacre 110 year old mother Viola Ford Fletcher and 110y old mother Les lesie benningfield Randall real real quick here gin okay again I appreciate the establishment of a National Monument but here's the reality um those Survivors have not been compensated for that as well as their descendants and this was State sanctioned uh and the problem is the City

of Tulsa state of Oklahoma they have refused to make amends uh this is a perfect example of sure put make it a monument but this St State and this country should be doing more is over a 100 years after the massacre took place and we're supposed to celebrate the advancement of a bill not even the passage of the bill it Hasn't passed it hasn't been signed but the advancement of a bill through the Senate establishing a monument is frankly unacceptable what blows my mind as a law student is that at no point over the past

103 years has any person or institution actually been held criminally or Civ liable for the injuries the the deaths the murders that stemm from this act of terrorism and in fact the only business owner that's ever received some compensation was white uh I will say though I think like this I guess the reason why this is a big step on paper is because we know that the state of Oklahoma has fought like hell since this act of domestic terrorism to make people forget that it ever happened and it wasn't until four years ago after we

saw another example of you know violence against the black body by the state which the murder of George Floyd that students in Oklahoma were actually mandated to learn about it in schools But I guess who needs that education when you have a trump Bible apparently in Oklahoma these days days um so look there's a there's a lot to say about the importance of the courts the importance of state and local elections the importance of of knowing our history uh and why those in power try so hard to prevent us from doing that I hope the

monument uh gets built but look the state did commission a a task force to investigate this in 96 and they Recommended in 01 that the victims receive reparations that's yet to happen um and all I can say is we're grateful to have uh we're lucky to have lesie benningfield and Viola Fletcher who were still alive and kicking 110 fighting the good fight a fight they should not have to be fighting alongside other descendants of this uh you know brutal Act of terrorism to get Justice and I hope that we get more than this Monument I

hope we get reparations for the Survivors and the descendants of of the victims Daniel yeah I Echo the same man I live in fide County Georgia uh race uh Massacre and expulsion of black folks in 1912 1987 josea Williams coret Scott King Dick Gregory came up here with 30,000 folks largest uh protest and rally against the KKK in the history Oprah's first show was here so I get it but a monument itself or at least advancing the idea of a monument doesn't Take it away but I do agree that it is at least symbolic to

know that um it's being acknowledged but here's the thing there needs to be more than acknowledgement and what I don't want is a decade from now for young men and women that vaguely remember Tulsa to say that this Monument was erected as a form of reparation that is not a form of reparations it is not reconciliation does those women I hope those women live to 120 but the reality is they have had To endure they've had to fight they've had to live under the shadow of one of the darkest moments in our history when when

when when when Terror was enacted on a black community and we have not resolved that the statute won't do it it will allow us to be able to remember and acknowledge but there is so much more work to be done and I hope that we all understand that and support initiatives that go Beyond statues and monuments Scott man y'all talking about Tulsa y'all talking about Tulsa when's America going to apologize to the American Negro for slavery and for violence against them and uh the civil rights movement and um um The Terror from the time we

were freed as slaves up until now they've apologized to Japanese for the internment camps they've apologized to other groups that were oppressed but America's just not ready to apologize or give us reparations not just for Tulsa but elsewhere you know I Talk about the melanin in my skin and what it is about the melanin in my skin that makes White America hate me so and hate our communities but also not want to deal with the race issue or question or racial oppression over 400 years I if you can the courts can give us even money

for that but the apology is the first step and then SEC there's not enough money tell me if you can agree with this Roland there's not enough money to properly compensate black People for what they've been through in the last 400 years of racial oppression and slavery there is it what would that number be it's amazing this amazing it really is so we'll see you can't come up with it but but you can't you can't come up with it but the in the case here these are actual survivors uh and uh they should have been

compensated long long time ago let me do this here hold on you can give that money not to just those two survivors but to the Estates Of those who have passed away as a result of Tulsa yeah absolutely absolutely uh let's close it out uh with our black and missing [Music] Verena Baker's been missing from her California home since June 21st the 16-year-old is 5' 8 in tall weighs 146 PBS with black hair and brown eyes anyone with information about Verina Baker should call the Orange County California Sheriff's office at 714 647 7,000 714 6477

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