and what do you think should happen if somebody does something like this to somebody else I don't know they obviously get prison time I don't know I have not touched him how would you get those in here tell me and we'll both know I'm hoping that that she's still alive um and and that's really I I really do I'm holding out for that um and if she's not alive then I think she and her family are are do that knowledge I think that's I think they need some closure we go please please God just let
me my dog whether it's a suspect's reaction to a new piece of information or a full-blown confession what happens in an interrogation room can make or break a case some of those admissions are pretty Eerie welcome to sidebar presented by law on crime I'm Jesse Weber so we've talked body cams we've talked 911 phone calls we've talked defendants on the stand now let's do something a little B bit different let's focus on one of the most crucial pieces of evidence in any case interrogations because if you think about it cameras are rolling right now in
interrogation rooms across the country capturing everything said and done while a suspect is inside so we've gathered some of the most chilling interrogation moments from recent cases so we start off with one of the most bizarre cases that we've ever covered Wisconsin versus Taylor sh business the 25-year-old was convicted of killing her lover while the two had sex after she claimed she did meth apparently in her drug fueled stuper shabs not only strangled 24-year-old Shad Theon with a metal chain but sexually abused his dead body and then chopped him up into pieces his mother came
home to find her own son's bloody head in a bucket in the family's basement truly truly horrific doesn't get worse than that shabis was arrested on February 23rd 2022 and police put her in a yellow jumpsuit in an interrogation room and then they started asking her questions to get to the bottom of just what happened to shad and shabis gave one shocking answer after another Nicholas he ever put the chain around you was the chain around your neck you have any marks or anything just you get a chance to was that was goinging to though
was that part of the that thing and then like I don't know I just went a little crazy take note of that we're going to get back to that so she said how she and Shad engaged in kinky sex but here she says she basically went maybe a little too far but seem to recognize that what you're hearing is effectively an admission J business described what happened in between her apparent blackouts from the meth I'm just like I think I went a little too far cuz like like I was blacking out while I was doing
it right and then like and then like I look at him like he's already purple I'm like I don't know is he good is he good but then like when I woke up like you know during the blackout like like he was coughing up blood on like I don't know I [Music] just when did you start you know cutting up his body wow like almost right away I was sucking and cutting at the same time okay but what about the rest of his body part so that take all day did you I was getting pissed
off at the dismemberment process actually did it take a long it took a while yeah because like I was nodding out I was nodding out okay so you're kind of spping kind of nodding in and out have you taken any other drugs I should have I should have took drugs I probably would have helped but I didn't so you you dismembered the body too yeah what did you do with the body parts they're they're in the house somewhere they're like um yeah basement upstairs absolutely in the basement I and then um I know I forgot
the head I wanted the head did you bring anything with you yeah it's in the van it's in the van it's um what is it what is it I a foot maybe what I think it's a foot a leg maybe I know I just I'm like I'm bring it all them then I'm like man this is messy so then I just left it I got lazy okay I got lazy and that's what I get so I'm like okay so there's going to be it be a foot or a leg in the band and then um
what you do with that I forgot that that was in the van so uh yeah what you do with the head the head I put it in that bucket that black bucket black bucket with the blanket on top okay I should and we just leave it leave the head head still in the bucket it's right by the stairs stairs again just admitted to killing him abusing his dead body and dismembering him something else I don't think I've ever heard anything like this now the interview which lasted hour continues on with SH business then in a
different jumpsuit you know what do you think should happen if someone doesn't like this to somebody else I don't know they obviously get prison time I don't know your business even goes as far as asking if the police have found all of shad's body parts you guys find all the parts here so yeah going through the process of looking so did you remove any other any said you had the heart and not Li off with the lungs did you remove all that from the chest cavity or you leave them in there it could be in
there you remember or they're all in plastic bags separate bags or one big bag they're all separate bags like Walmart bags fine feel fine well should first of all my opinion hats off to the investigators here remaining so calm cool collected as they try to get all of this information out of sh business and listen to what they're hearing which is important because given these admissions what could possibly be the defense well remember I said that crazy comment so shabis pleaded Not Guilty by reason of insanity under Wisconsin law Insanity means that you are not
legally responsible if due to a mental condition you couldn't appreciate the wrongfulness of what you did or conform your behavior to the law now despite how seemingly crazy this crime was a Wisconsin jury didn't buy it it only took about an hour for them to find her guilty of intentional homicide abuse of a corpse and third degree sexual assault they also determined that she was not insane when she committed the crime in September a judge sentenced shab business to life in prison without the possibility of thr okay moving on to another high-profile case this one
out of Miami Florida it concerns 26-year-old only fans model Courtney clenny also known as Court Taylor she had more than 2 million followers on the site so she was questioned by police after suspected of stabbing her 27-year-old boyfri Christian obam selli during a domestic dispute in their apartment the incident happened back in April of 2022 clenty called 911 to report that obami was bleeding from a knife wound and sadly he would end up dying from his injuries so police take her to the station for questioning they leave her by herself in an interview room and
as she sobs clenny talks to herself apparently unaware that obami is already dead please please God just let me my do please God Christian be okay I don't care what you doing now she would be charged with his murder just a few months later but how do we get to that point well clenny and obam selli had both dealt with the police before because of domestic disputes that included screaming matches and physical altercations two had recently moved into a new Miami condo but there were already so many problems with the couple that an eviction process
was underway and according to clenny she and obami had gotten into an argument inside the condo that escalated clenny said that she threw a knife at obam selli which hit him First Responders found clenny holding obam sell's body as he bled out when clenny first spoke with officers in the interrogation room she's not immediately told that her boyfriend is dead instead officers say that he's being evaluated at the hospital what is your dat 4219 th was your birthday oh really when is your birthday 13th my boyfriend's just the 12th oh really turns 28 super close
that here well he's still in the hospital right now so okay M just take a breae okay how long have you guys been together um about 2 years years a year and a half to two years yeah okay is he okay he's there he's still at the hospital they're still you know I'm monitoring him and talking to him so where waiting oh my God so he's not even he didn't even have to have surgery well I don't know they're they're still they're still uh doing um X-rays and stuff like that so I don't know yet
I'm waiting to hear a response that's all I have to know thank God so that's all I we'll get to that in in in a little bit okay and I on once we're done I'll go talk to them again and see what's what's what's the update okay just had just gotten back together I have broken up with him and then he came back the last like two nights and everything was perfect and then start like into into an argument and I ended up getting scared and I think that I overreacted or not overreacted necessarily but
reacted and I just didn't know exactly what might happen several hours into the interview clenny is back in a new set of clothes and officers finally break the news we have to inform you that Christians did not make it okay um unfortunately the doctors did what they could and Christian is dead yes oh my God this is not real right okay there Christian died can I please have a hug am I allowed to do that in here sure no no no TR bres you're going to be okay I I need I need to I need
to hug my mom I'll talk I'll talk to your parents get over I cannot be left alone in like a room by myself after this I was like no that's not true that's not that didn't not that's not real right it is real Christian didn't Christian is dead yes they not going to lie I know I just can't believe in that I'll get him let get your parents here asan we uh we spoke to your parents and they're trying to do everything possible to get you as soon as possible as well no no it's going
to be okay it's going to be fine cor's going to do that no it's not oh my God I wanted to be at the hospital I if anything happened him I just wanted to be at the hospital I beged can I please go to the hospital I mean obviously they put me a CS at my house but like I beged can I please go to the hospital oh my God friends our friends oh my God I'm going to wake up tomorrow and it's going to be the same thing and yeah and know okay that's the
last time ever talked to him it's the last time anybody ever talks to him cover que we can't undo what's already happened so just just um this is going to be a process what are I saying to that other room I said God forbid God forbid when like from from far away if if it if what if what if I what if it had accidentally hit a little bit lower and he died that's what I said these moments from the police interview not only give investigators information about Clint's relationship with obam selli but they also
give kind of her state of mind and demeanor before and after finding out he was dead well it turns out by looking at the crime scene the timeline the weapon the autopsy something was off while she claimed she threw the knife at him from 10 ft away after grabbed her and shoved her the evidence suggested that maybe wasn't true in fact obam's wound was consistent with a downward strike to the chest rather than a throwing event also video footage surfaced of clenny and obami in the building's elevator two months before his death that appeared to
show her shoving and hitting him while he doesn't really fight back in fact she had previously been charged with domestic battery against obami back in 2021 so when all this came out in August of 2022 clenny was charged with second deegree murder defense team argued for Bond but the judge determined the money that clenny made from only fans could make her a Flight Risk so she's been locked up ever since the case is expected to go to trial sometime in 2024 another woman in trouble for allegedly killing her lover tried to explain away why his
body was found stuffed inside of a suitcase so Sarah Boon is accused of zipping her boyfriend George Torres Jr into that suitcase and leaving him to die she's facing a charge of second deegree murder and has pleaded not guilty in February of 2020 Boon called 911 to report Tores was dead inside of their apartment in Winter Park Florida she said that they were playing a game of hideand-seek and thought it would be funny for George to get into the suitcase she claims the two had been drinking wine and she went upstairs and fell asleep with
corus still inside the suitcase but police found video on Boon's cell phone where Torres can be heard saying he can't breathe and asking for her to let him out I warn you this is very very very tough to watch s for everything you've done to me Sarah for everything you've done to me Sarah you SAR you SAR stupid Sarah that's my name don't wear it up I can't Bree bab is he yeah that's when you do when you choke me Sarah Sarah Sarah s can't breathe baby that's on you Sarah I can't breathe it's on
you Sarah real around some I want to get video for it extra I got this Sarah we I can't breathe oh that's what I feel like when he dring on me Sarah Sarah yeah you probably shut the up during an interrogation Boon said that George often was violent with her but swears that she didn't do anything to hurt him we had a good time sitting on the back porch having wine and smoking a couple of cigarettes and then decided to go inside and literally paint do puzzles and play and listen to music that's why nobody
got out of source that this is what's mindblowing to me like I don't okay I have no clue nobody laid a hand on anybody he also had um like on the left side his forehead he had basically bruising um and um on like his head in his skull I have no idea as if something hit him considered for trauma I have not touched him I have not touched him then how would he get those injured tell me and we'll both know I have not touched him yesterday when we took photographs of your overall body um
and they did the bual swabs did they go under your fingernails no okay are you willing to let us absolutely swab underneath your fingernails go for it okay I have no idea and I don't want to seem out of sorts but I have no idea we had a good day M it was a good day we've had good days lately even considering everything that's going on with our jobs and life in general and egg sves and everything it's been good like I I don't even know where this is coming from um have you guys ever
played the you said you played hideand-seek like probably three times in your relationship when you have played have you ever zipped him up in a suitcase prior no okay so it was just kind of like that prop was there and it was there and it was in Play Because Why do you say it like that though I would never do that you had a look on your face when she asked you if you've ever done that before you look kind of shocked and no okay why did you say it like that like I don't think
you all understand who I am where well tell me I mean I've always been a straight A student I am an outstanding mother to my son I excel at everything I I would not do that you wouldn't lock some zip somebody in a suitcase well I didn't like completely lock it I mean I opened it with one finger I left enough in there for him to get out Boon goes back and forth with the investigators first claiming she doesn't remember recording George in the suitcase then changing it up and saying he was fine in there
and that she didn't think anything was wrong my intention was not to leave him in there please understand that my intention was not to leave him in there but you went upstairs thinking that he could get himself out but the video shows at point when I see his fingers and up here any minute and then 30 minutes later he didn't show and he's telling you up do you think you told me he was laughing and I we were before video there there's no laugh we first got in there both of us were so how long
was he in there for like this video is at 11:12 when it starts so was he in there for like a long time prior to recording this no no no so it goes from funny to no longer funny you're the only one but I didn't think that he was like panicky like I didn't I so pushing Up On A Suitcase saying sarah sarah Sarah I can't bre I can't breathe George has done that in the past before too where it's just like he thinks that he's woe is me kind of thing where it's like I
don't he's never been locked in a suitcase that where he couldn't get out so it's kind of I thought it was the bo callling wolfes crying wolf kind of thing and again my plan but nowhere in there is he laughing is he joking he is begging and you're the only one laughing okay and you're the only one saying derogatory comments like you're mad no please don't I don't mean to sound negative and I don't know if I can say this but like it's like you guys are kind of trying to like feed me like no
I'm just trying to show you a video that you no longer want to watch because you probably don't want to know the outcome of how and what you said well I know what you know you know what's on that video now no you remember making that video no why don't you remember making the video probably because we had been drinking but you weren't drunk some tough questions for her to answer hard to explain that video way and investigators call Boon out for her conflicting statements so you all think that it's like oh good I got
him in there now I'm going to go to sleep is that what you guys are trying to assume or trying to like we're just the video video is very portraying of the opposite of what you told us it does not it is not leading up it is not matching what statement you gave us in the car so and that's why we want to know and I don't remember doing this the injuries are not consistent with what You' told us so we have a lot of inconsistencies and this video explains itself it really truly does I
promise you on my son's life it was not intentional I promise you on Lucas's life it was not intentional I don't know you I can't say I know anything about you I don't know what is what would be a true statement what would not I mean you're promising on your son's life that's fine that's how much it means sorry fig to that's how much it means I hope you take that to heart in September Boon's public defender withdrew from the case after Boon apparently wrote multiple letters to the judge insulting the attorney calling him a
dud and a buffoon Boon now has a new attorney or fourth one in fact and will appear for a pre-trial hearing in January 2024 where we may get an official trial date as we continue on with some of the most chilling interrogation room moments from recent cases for this next inter ration we're going to go back in time to a case that many of you might remember in August of 2018 brutal murders took place in freder Colorado of a pregnant mother named shenan watts and her two daughters four-year-old Bella and three-year-old Celeste police end up
sitting down with the husband father Chris Watts Janan had just returned from business trip late that night and her friend got worried when shenan didn't respond to any messages or phone calls now Chris said that he had seen his wife at the house around 5: in the morning but had been at work at an oil company all day and he was adamant that he didn't know where his wife her children were even spoke with local news stations begging for them to come home I hope that she's somewhere safe right now and with the kids but
I mean could she event could she just taken off I don't know but if somebody has her and they're not safe like I want them back now but just 2 Days Later police arrested Chris wats after he failed a polygraph test um it is completely clear that you were not honest during the testing and I think you already know that um he did not pass the polygraph test okay okay so now we need to talk about what actually happened and I feel like you're probably ready to do that I didn't I didn't lie to you
on that polygraph I promise Chris know stop it's time I just stop for a minute take a deep breath I I want you to take a deep breath right now there's a reason you feel sick to your stomach and when people hold stuff inside it makes you physically ill and I can just tell on your face I could tell you tell from the second you walked in that you were wanting to just come clean and just be done with this and I appreciate that because you knew sitting down in that chair that you weren't going
to pass today and you knew knew I was going to find out cuz I told you that and then you continued to stay knowing that you could at the end say you know what I just need to get this off my chest like I just need to tell you what happened we're not we're not here to play games we're not here to do any of that with you we just want to know what happened Watts continued to deny that he was deceptive but the investigators kept pushing this is where the rubber meets the road Chris
like don't let this continue any longer please and after more prodding Watts asked to speak with his father and confesses now according to Watts's first version he had been having an affair he talked with shenan about a possible separation and says that she became enraged he told his father that he went downstairs and when he came back up shanan had suffocated the two little girls watt says that he then strangled shanan and then took all three bodies to a remote oil storage site being used by his employer shenan was buried in a shallow grave Bella
and celeste's bodies were found in crude oil tanks nearby the audio of Watts's confession to his father I warn you is really hard to hear because Watts seems to be whispering and trailing off at times she started G [Music] mother open I didn't hear anything when I was down there they came back up and they were gone I don't know light me to talking to her about that talking to her about separation and everything about she lost I don't know like what else to say like I freed out those are my kids I heard like
a little commotion upstairs but I didn't think anything of it mhm and then you went back upstairs and she is never I can see like she choking her did she kill her they're they're blue she chok from the down iot wats was charge with three counts of first-degree murder unlawful termination of a pregnancy and three counts of tampering with a deceased body Watts ended up pleading guilty to nine charges and was sentenced to five life sentences without the possibility of Paro in exchange for the death penalty being taken off the table but the confessions don't
end there because after he was sent to prison Watts finally revealed to authorities what really happened that night or at least this could be the real story he says after the argument about divorce he ended up strangling shenan to death when four-year-old Bella walked into the room he told her mommy don't feel good and WRA shannan's body in a sheet he put the body in his truck and drove it and the two girls to the oil site where he smothered the children and hid the [Music] bodies I want talk this those are my kids my
baby talk to every night okay every time I see pictures I know how this could have happened being a dad was the best part of my life I took it all the way I think that the hardest part for us Chris is we see those videos we see that love that you had for your girls like it's obvious to us and even to us we it's hard for us to understand how a dad who's given piggyback rides and you know making snacks and watching princess movies and those kinds of things um how you get to
that point you know I don't know like I said it was just like something else was controlling me that day had I had no control over what I was like to fight back yeah Watts was moved for security reasons from Colorado to a Maximum Security Prison in Wisconsin or he will spend the rest of his life Behind Bars all right let's end the conversation of interrogations in Jacksonville Florida where investigators were able to use an interrogation to get to the bottom of a murder of a young woman in 2017 now in August of that year
San gold was reported missing the 21-year-old worked as a server at a restaurant called Bonefish Grill and she was dating her manager a man named Lee rodari Jr Savannah's family says that they received a message from her that she was was running away with a great guy and then never was heard from again it turns out that that wasn't Savannah but rodari her car was still in the parking lot with her person side which made this all so weird and Jacksonville sheriff's deputies brought rodari in for questioning letting him sit by himself for some time
and then the questioning began when was the last time you saw her this is what I was a bit I didn't tell you the truth when we talked about B fish okay last time I saw was Wednesday afternoon okay um I heard that she has been basically telling a lot of people at work that um we hooked up a bunch like couple days before that and that she was going to like tell about the whole situation and you know try to get me fired and why why would that get you fired I well I'm a
manager and she's an employee okay so you guys aren't supposed to fret okay I got you and she just told um uh people I guess that she was out with that work at the restaurant that we were having sex okay and you know hooking up and stuff like that and that I was her boyfriend and this and that um so I was a little upset obviously you know I care about my job sure how long you been there now uh I'll be 5 years in the summer okay yeah right um so I was a little
upset um so I met her in the parking lot uh at Bonefish wnes this Wednesday afternoon okay well that you know what time or about um it was about 5:30 okay when you say you met her did she was she meeting you too or um I didn't I didn't I didn't call her um I just drove up there to see if maybe she was working I was going to you know talk to her and um did you know she was working that night um I did you did not I did oh you did okay I'm
sorry okay you knew she was working that night okay so I drove up there you know was hoping to get a chance to talk to her okay um I pulled in the parking lot she pulled in um a little bit after me I parked uh and I said hey uh can I talk to you for a second um and she said yeah what's up and I was like I heard you've been saying some things about me and you continuing to hang out and you know that we're boyfriend and girlfriend and she she asked me she
said can I come sit in the car because I just did some heroin and I'm a little paranoid okay I said why are you doing that you know you're doing really well you shouldn't have been doing that okay um and so she came inside in the car and I explained to her the situation I told her that server's uh app on fish were coming to me and telling me that you're telling people when you're out that wor still having sex and boyfriend and girlfriend and I said I appre you know I need you to stop
because for one it's jeopardizing my job we agreed to you know split stop talking mutually and just move on and you know be cordial or whatever now rodari admitted he punctured Savannah's car tire with a small knife putting a hole in it and threaten that if she didn't stop talking about their previous relationship he would break her car's windows but he having any involvement in what happened to her and even claims that Savannah got into a green truck but he didn't see the driver Lee why didn't you mention this before since we've been looking for
this girl I mean don't you think that information me it it definitely does um and I regret obviously not saying anything and I was like I don't know what to do you know I'm scared you know I don't want to get in trouble for you know anything or have anything you know be a suspect or anything like that which I mean obviously wasn't the right decision to make yeah uh because now find we could have gotten three days ahead so where's Savannah right now I don't know where would I find her I don't know that's
my my Prime objective is to find her definitely I think time's running out on her and I think that I mean I I've I should have said something to you guys when I talk I should have said something Wednesday or Thursday when it was brought to every tell me how I go from nice guy never met you um you seem like a nice guy I come up and talk to you uh again out of you know you agreed that there was nothing threatening or anything about our conversation just asking you for some some basic simple
things we talked for just a few minutes and you um didn't tell me this story I'm not going to say the truth because um I I think there's holes in this story too now here's the thing after going back and forth with rodari detectives reveal some of the information they know like how surveillance cameras in that parking lot showed a struggle between rodari and Savannah she never got out of your back seat Lee she never got out of your your back seat video cameras don't lie wa how do you know how do you how do
you think I know this informationally I wasn't there but a video camera caught it she never gets out of that car and you drive off she never gets out of that car there is no green truck and that's not right to her we're FF finders Lee I don't have anything personal against you no no not at all I mean it's it's it's we're fact finders we doing job and then finally rodari starts to crack she was hitting me I just she wouldn't stop and I squeeze back okay and she was just was she under your
arm or something or she started hitting me you know after I you know s retire and it went back and forth and squeezed you squeezed her around her neck or around her neck with your hands she had she had she had her hands around mine okay then you had yours around hers and you were just fighting back with each other okay she just I didn't let go now it's hard to hear there but rodari seems to say I didn't let let her go he admits he heard a pop as his hands were around her neck
where is she now please tell is that the hardest part huh I understand that and you got the heart freak out okay I left all I want to do I know you're doing good buddy this pond on the west side of Club du clay Club du clay yeah okay and long champ yeah yeah yeah okay if I got a map printed out of that you think you could just show me that okay rodari admitted he tried to burn Savannah's body in a fire pit at his home the night that he killed her but then decided
to dig a hole and bury her eventually he dug her up and put her in the trunk of his car driving her out to a pond in a resid presidential area where rodari says that he had fished in the past says he dumped her body in the water just a few hours later found himself in this interrogation room now rodar's attorneys originally filed a stand your ground petition claiming that rodari acted in self-defense because Savannah was attacking him trial judge denied that petition but the defense took that claim to an appeals court and after the
appeals court also denied the stand your ground defense leer rardy Jr agreed to plead guilty to second degree murder other charges of tampering with evidence and abuse of a dead body were dropped and the judge sentenced rodari to 40 years in prison that's all we have for you here on sidebar everybody thank you so much for joining us as always please subscribe on Apple podcast Spotify YouTube whereever get your podcast I'm Jesse Weber speak to you next [Music] time
