Saunas Use Infrared to Power Detox, Immunity & Renewal – Connie Zack with Dave Asprey – #823

Bulletproof radio a state of high performance you're listening to bulletproof radio with dave asprey today we've got a live audience from the upgrade collective my membership and mentorship group where there are lots of people in community uh working on learning all of the stuff in all of my books With coaches instructed lectures and all that fun kind of stuff so when you're a member of the upgrade collective by the way go to ourupgradecollective.com you can actually be part of the live audience which means you could hear the podcast before it's edited and before it goes

out onto the airwaves so early access and a chance to ask questions at the end of the show today The audience gets asked a couple questions of our guest today who has a lot of experience with infrared because as you know i've been an early light hacker and infrared light is something that works very very well i started using it in the late 90s believe it or not and i've got a guest for you guys today named connie zack who is a co-owner of sunlighten which is a sonic Company that makes infrared light therapy stuff

and they've grown over the last two decades in order to make it a thing so anytime i get a chance to interview someone who's been doing something for 20 years and has filed multiple patents in the space and all this is where the learning comes from where we go okay why is it this way versus you know sometimes oh i heard Infrared light was good you know i made something in china and whatever else so i like to go to the experts who created industries in order to really learn myself and i like to be

that person for a new industry so connie with no further introduction welcome to the show thanks so much dave it's great to see you i feel like i haven't seen you in so long it's great to see your face it's funny because you know with covid And all you and i have gotten to know each other over the years at a variety of uh of different events and then all of a sudden for the last 18 months it's like no face to face i know so it's great to see you thank you for having me

i'm excited to answer questions and to chat all right 20 years ago only weird people would have an infrared song Of course i'm raising my hand i was a weird person i had one that i was not very happy about but there was almost nothing on the market 20 it was more than 20 years ago and i mean you've you've been a loud voice for a long time you've been on dr bras talking about the doctors even oprah winfrey and i've yet to get on oprah although i have a picture with her once That's about

as far as i could get and you've been in goop and all these things but you got started because of chronic fatigue syndrome that your brother had tell me what infrared like how did you get into this through chronic fatigue syndrome yeah so my brother was really really sick and this is you know in the 90s and nothing worked and he tried everything and it was his dentist in st louis that Recommended infrared and said if you can somehow get that into your body i've heard that maybe that can you could through sweat you can

sweat out toxins and the the dentist's theory was that my brother had mercury trapped inside his body from his fillings in his mouth and indeed you know that's what he did he did he Tested himself he did have high levels of mercury so he had mercury toxicity and he first started with an infrared blanket there was a just the smallest amount of benefit and but enough of an amount to say maybe if i could find like a higher quantity a higher amount and actually swept more maybe there would be a difference and so you know

way back then there was like As you said there was nothing available no information but anyway um he purchased an infrared sauna and it changed his life and it saved his life it like truly is like there's not a lot of things that change or save your life you know um and this is one of the things that i was in st louis at the time and i saw firsthand my brother's experience i was working for proctor and gamble on the Pharmaceutical side um so i had access to all sorts of medical information and i

started doing research and tense research on infrared and there was a lot of information which i was shocked that and the information was powerful powerful showing the benefits of infrared onto the body especially at back then the heart which is so important you know and I thought gosh if somebody could really investigate this this if they could really you know find a way to make it more effective and more efficient because it took my brother a really long time to heal himself um i thought you know there has to be a better way to improve

everything and then they could put some science behind it and you know put some some meat behind it This could be a game changer in in this you know when the wellness field and instead of doing pharmaceuticals which is what i was you know i was managing a team this this is something that could actually cure right it could real without drugs and without side effects and so that's i mean this you know that's how we got started and um I eventually left png and and um aaron my partner my husband you know he was

also at png he left and we jumped off a cliff and you know left our corporate great jobs very safe and to start an industry that nobody knew about i mean nobody really even were talking about saunas either so just i mean it wasn't even like you know that wasn't a thing either so yeah we just took it one customer at a Time it it's funny back then i didn't know what was going on with me but i knew that i was biologically wrecked i think i'd been diagnosed with chronic fatigue or fibromyalgia or a

bunch of other stuff but i had mercury i had mold for sure which oftentimes goes with mercury and they had all kinds of other stuff going on and definitely Got a lot of benefits from this thing that no one had ever heard of and like what's that in your living room right oh it's it's a sauna and they're kind of like what are you swedish or something it's not even the same kind of thing as a normal hot hot sauna what's the what's the difference between traditional finnish or swedish or norwegian kind of you know

sit there with steam or heat and an infrared sauna Because i think a lot of people listening might not know yeah so the difference essentially is the way the heat is delivered into the body though is with infrared the heat goes if you especially if you get a high enough amount which we can talk about that's what makes sunlighten special that's what i've studied for all these years is how to get the maximum in the body So infrared if you can get the maximum heat and that you master the wavelength then you can get it

all into your body to change and transform your body traditional finish saunas have hot air and they heat the air and the wavelengths stay in the air so you're still hot because you're hot if your air is hot right like if it's a hot day you're still Hot but the wavelength stays in the air so the healing properties that actually transform the cells like that is it stays in in the air and the hotter the wavelength is the shorter the wavelength is and the harder it is to get into the body the cooler the wavelength

the longer it is the easier it is to get to the body and sunlighten has mastered the maximum amount of long wavelengths far infrared Specifically to get into the body so that's essentially like when you walk into a finish sauna like to make it really simple sometimes you're like oh my god that's hot right because you're you're you're you're feeling the air the heat and the air when you walk into a sunlight and infrared there's no it is it's warm and it actually once you start to sit there Right you start to feel hot from

the inside and you start you know your heart rate starts going but it's not this oppressive like gasping feeling that is different um so they're two completely different experiences it is sort of like if you go into the shade on a really hot day you're still really hot but if on a cool day you go into the sun and the sun warms you up It's a very different feeling and it turns out there's different biological effects from it and correct so it's not just about heat it's how does heat deliver does it through you know

convection through conduction and what we've figured out over the last you know 20 30 years is that heat's generally good for you because you heat shock protein yes but the Delivery method of the heat really seems to make a difference and i feel very different if i go into you know traditional wood-fired sauna and there's some hot steam versus if you're actually getting an infrared dose because presumably because it penetrates deeper correct we've since the the dawn of infrared saunas we've talked about these different Wavelengths and i want people who listen to this to sort

of think about we have fat and we have carbs and we have protein they're all food right some forms of those are food but they do different things and you look at a spectrum of light red light does something different than green light or blue light or yellow light right and or the whole spectrum of this And when we're dealing with infrared you can't see any of it but it has similar spectrums like those colors are like the types of foods and the way the industry breaks them down now is that there's near infrared mid-infrared

and far infrared can you walk me through let's start first with near-infrared what is that yep and then like kind of give me the pros and cons of each one of those so near infrared Yep yep so near infrared is the shortest wavelength it's called near because it's the closest to the sun so in a perfect world if you were like just delivering near infrared it would be like thousands of degrees celsius i mean really really really hot like too hot to deliver so you have to convert near infrared into leds in order to deliver

it effectively so that's a Really important thing to know because today on the market you know after we introduced these three wavelengths now it's eleven years ago i think is when we brought these three wing at least to market now a lot of people are talking about near infrared which is really interesting but they're delivering it sometimes via light and you really need to if you really want the most effective Near-infrared it has to be invisible and it has to be leds okay that's that that's the precise tangible wavelength the benefits of it to answer

your question there's i mean there are so many it's really powerful it's great for wound healing for skin benefits i mean it's amazing what it will do for cell health for immunity athletes are using it all the time right Now like we have a um a handheld device where you take our leds to go and they'll use it all the time for muscle recovery for reducing inflammation like at the knees and the ankles i get those hard areas to to hit um and also there's tons of studies on increasing collagen so for i call the

vanity wavelength is what i've coined near infrared because it's great if you Put the near infrared leds on your face it helps to boost collagen and it helps to with fine lines and wrinkles and there's tons of studies on anti-aging with near-infrared the downside is you have to you can't you can't get like near infrared bulbs and like expect it to work you really have to get leds so that would be like the the downside up mid infrared Is the next spectrum of light it's not as hot as near but hotter than far it's in

the middle um that benefit is for reducing inflammation at the joints and tissues so this wavelength i always think of mid-infrared as the athletic wavelength like because anybody uh you know and i think nike's saying right now everybody that means everybody everybody's an athlete you know so Everybody needs you know the reduction of inflammation at some point in their life and when emitting infrared is amazing for getting into the joints and tissues and reducing that inflammation it's also really good for um helping to aid the far infrared wavelength for weight loss so that's another benefit

and we show that in the study far infrared is what we studied the longest And the quick backstory is to that is when we first started we didn't understand the three spectrums right we were brand new i didn't even i mean i you know i didn't just like wake up and think i'm making the sauna business today it just you know happened with my brother and so i was trying to understand that that far for i can't do it all and that's Really what led us to investigating mid and near that far's claim to fame

is the heart health helping to to increase blood flow increase circulation helping to lower blood pressure and then the study we did that really kind of changed and especially now with covet has really changed everything is is back 18 years ago we studied at the far infrared Wavelength on the body to see if it can elevate core temperature and um and it significantly helped to increase core temperature which obviously you know helps to do a million of the things he activate heat shock proteins and leads to boosting the immune system etc so that's the breakdown

between the three wavelengths and hopefully identify some of the Separate unique benefits of each now how much would you guess that you've spent at sunlighten on core research of the technologies not like to make your gear but just to understand what it does physiologically so over the last 20 years it has to be a lot a lot i mean we're just con i mean even in the basement like when we first was starting it was constantly just trying to understand Like not only um the wavelength like farm for it just take that for example but

then how do you fine tune to get into the right this is gonna like sciency but the right micron level that gets it into the body at the deepest level so the body can absorb it and transform like i mean that's all we did for i mean for for as well i mean until even even i Mean even a couple years ago we were still studying that we're breaking down near infrared right and understanding what you just said about there's near and fro which is truly invisible and then there's red light and then there's blue

light you know and really understanding that tight it's a tiny tiny little spectrum of light But every single change makes a huge difference on how the body responds to that colored light they're very different you know you don't use blue light which you use red light for you don't use red light before which you use invisible light which is near infrared so i don't have a quantifiable answer dave to say you know how how much time but it was Part of you know my daily like routine like i remember in the basement just some somebody

would call me and say hey you know is farm fred good for whatever i'm like um let me check and so i would start just i mean that's all i did was study this and we still study i mean there's you know it's it's amazing it's part of being an innovator you know I i spend a bunch of money i donated some to university of washington i'm like figure out why blending is important for bulletproof coffee because i couldn't understand it and it still makes me mad i can't eat a stick of butter and drink

a cup of coffee it doesn't work like why and eventually you figure oh there's physiological reasons for it and and so i believe that innovators in a space Oftentimes are contributing to core science because you have to understand how your stuff works if you're going to improve it and then that ends up percolating into academia and into our general understanding of biohacking which is which is really cool all right i want your advice yeah so last night i was up late because one of our lambs here on aspree farms or one of our sheep Was

having a couple lambs and one of them got stuck so you know 10 o'clock at night i'm up like doing this weird squat position like sumu wrestling a sheep to hold it still while we got the baby unstuck fortunately both lambs are doing well today but i didn't exactly get a good night's sleep last night um because i was up late exercising and i'm still sore from all of that squeezing with my Inner thighs um you guys wouldn't imagine there's i'm putting a video up soon but it was really hard to hold a sheep still

for that anyway so i got sword muscles and i got crappy sleep so and i've had a sunlighten for i think six or seven years now um so what frequencies are the ones that are going to make me recover faster from a bad night's sleep when i also have some muscle soreness Yeah that's a great question so i think part of probably what's leading to your lack of sleep is the muscle soreness is the muscle recovery and and i mean the dream blend you use your like bullet coffee analogy the is blending mid and um

far together um and that and so on the so the program i would use would be the pain relief program because That has that tunes into reducing inflammation at with each wavelength at the right level the right frequency in the white right amount the pain relief program is whenever you're going through anything is one of my just like go-to i i use it all the time and it like it's so quick too and i think if you did that program that will help some of The inflammation that from helping your beautiful animals and um and

then leading that will help to like increase you know motivate like your brain to kind of shut down and then hopefully get a better night's sleep because you i mean just using the sauna alone in any like just regular quick start setting helps better sleep and i think you did you did A study um or um i remember back at bulletproof one of your conventions years ago where you could you were had all these different types of mechanisms like melatonin like coffee like you had all these you measured out you know things that you would

do before sleep and just showing the difference and i remember on that slide that your presentation that you did You know the impact the positive impact that you know your and hat on your sleep you know why there's a by the way a biohackingconference.com we're doing a virtual conference um very soon here like a really big one um and so i've been doing that conference for eight years now but what i did for quite a long time is i would go Through every night i would track my sleep but before bed i would say here's

all the interventions i did so i could see statistically which ones made a difference and i did find the doing infrared sauna before bed i was improving deep sleep as i recall yeah i remember that and i that was like and we've been receiving i remember that so well because at that Moment in time we had been receiving so many uh empirical data from people like they were sinning like i've never had such a great night's sleep you know what do you know about that i'm like you know well tell me more you know and

so and then i saw that information i thought wow you know this is really this is something there's something physiologically there the way that the wavelengths are working on your Brain to help relax the body to change the body into a more deep relaxed meditative state so right i do know one thing counting sheep does not help you sleep yeah that is proven infrared sauna all right there we go that does empirically work now that i can compare the two you can add that to your slide exactly Yeah don't count sheep at least not that

way let's let's go into some of the specific benefits because i want listeners to understand you know you can go to a facility and use an infrared sauna and um you've made them pretty darned affordable for the smaller units that they can fit in a normal sized house and you get a one or two person model and you can put it in a corner of a room And it totally works and you get the three different spectrums and you can choose the recipe but i want to go deeper into some of the the pros and

cons and some of the studies because we know something called a false fever can be really powerful just when you heat the body temperature they're even using um very very high levels of this for cancer treatment in germany Where they call it uh hyperthermia where they're right they give you a really strong pulse if you're higher than you'd get in a sauna which is you study the extremes to understand the direction you're going when you move there if you're not going to quite that extreme and they have you under medical supervision and they're you know

cooking you basically yeah now what did you find in the studies you did And they're on your they're on your website but yes for listeners uh what did the false fever created by the sunlight and sauna do uh white white blood cells t-cells just kind of walk me through what you found yeah there's a lot that it connects to the increased core temperature for sure and it is it um helps with strengthening the immune system for sure and remember we Talked to dr oz about that back in january 2010 on his show and because there's

been studies showing that um infrared can help reduce colds flus definitely the increase in core temperature helps with the antiviral effect as far as you know activating heat shock proteins and kind of helping to prepare the body to You know be stronger kind of creates that hormesis that change state in your body one of the most interesting i think um benefits that has was studied by dr ray stone i think is how you say his name from the university of wisconsin was connecting the core temperature increase to reduction of depression major depression symptoms which that

is really fascinating to me um They studied and it was only day there was only one session so most of the time you know any it takes like the cancer treatment centers we've worked with them many over the years like it takes you know you you're doing this multiple times right this is a this is a a process but it was one time um they took them the infra that they use it took them an hour and a half Fortunately for ours it's only 30 minutes to increase your core but it the depressive the depression

symptoms were alleviated and it lasted up to six weeks and they were measuring they had these people coming i know and they had these people coming back every week and you know each week you know they checked in and um that's what his dr rason said he was most impressed was the the The length right the longevity and the how long that treatment lasted and his theory of why because i know that's something you're really interested in i'm really interested how how does this work is that the infrared's connection with the skin the way that

the infrared heat connects with the skin is a pathway to activate the serotonin producing skills in the brain and then um that increases your serotonin it Makes your brain feel happy and so we you know like what a great thing to be able to with a non-invasive non you know medicative way to make your brain feel happy by sitting inside you know a far infrared or you know a three-in-one sauna and you're right we have a portable unit so you don't have you don't have to have you know like this massive um Sauna that where

you spend tons and tons of money you can get a portable unit and um you know sit in there for 30 minutes so those are some of the benefits that with the core temperature there's also the um reduction of of toxic elements you know our mutual friend um betty rocker um you know she she used her program was for one year she used the detox program and the impulse three and one she took her Mercury levels from 15 down to one two times a week i know um so i mean that definitely and dr klinghart's

theory um in how it works is that the infrared inside the body is like you the um creating the mobility right has created the movement of the cells and so that they can eventually like purge Through the skin through the sweat and re release like the mercury that way because it's so hard because the mercury's so heavy it's so hard to get it out of your body but it's like kind of just that that movement infrared vehicle that creates that that pushes them out it's interesting the research from the university of washington that isn't about

saunas But dr gerald pollock figured out that okay when you drink water the first thing the body does is it puts the bulk water up against cell membranes which are made of tiny droplets of fat and then the body heats that at 1200 nanometers and there you go there's your you know your infrared light that's created by your cells just through the metabolic process And that process of heating the water changes the water from bulk water into exclusions on water and your body can't use water in biological processes like folding proteins like making collagen like

making atp or energy until the water is converted so when you sit in front of an infrared light you're most likely helping to convert the water that's in your tissues into Biologically useful water which has a different viscosity than the water that you drink and this is probably why even you know tibetan yak butter tea when they blend it and that works because they're where it's really cold and there's no food so they're preparing the water in their teeth so when they drink it they can use it right away i think that's one of the

reasons Bulletproof coffee works as well but it all ultimately comes down to how are you going to get that exclusion zone water made and i think an infrared sauna is one of the reasons that improves circulation especially micro circulation is that change and there's a fascinating set of books written about this obscure thing in water that seems to make a big difference in human biology Fascinating right it's fascinating it is and there's something else that um you did some research um i think i don't know if it has to do with the solo carbon heaters

that you guys are using but you figured out what's in sweat from a normal sauna versus from the sunlighten what did you find as a difference between just a traditional sauna sweat versus Infrared sauna sweat what comes out of the body differently yeah so it's the toxic elements that come out of the body in back when we did a study with umkc in 2005. we showed in that study what was amazing was double-blind randomized placebo-controlled um and that actually compared sunlight into a generic infrared so it was different than a traditional it was Actually an

infrared so it just showed the difference in the quantity of infrared that we've really worked hard to get the maximum amount that's what we have a patent on the maximum amount of infrared into the body and we showed removal of the toxic elements through the sweat so that that particular study there was arsenic and lead um and cadmium and Some of these really harmful versus a traditional um sauna you're it's really essentially all water so um you're really getting again it gets back to like i said dr clean hearts theory as you're getting you're getting

that movement because you're getting this healing raise where we're filtering out that's how i always look at it in my head like a Funnel and we're like when we take the wavelength we're putting it through this enlightened funnel process so that what comes out is almost 100 of the healing rays that get into the body and um we've left out the the hot air if you will um so yeah the hot air is probably the least important well the the study when i was just doing my research for this episode Uh normal sauna sweat 97

water about 30 toxins but when it's infrared you're getting 80 85 water 15 to 20 percent cholesterol and a lot of people don't understand this unless maybe they've read some of my my books but fat soluble toxins they get into your cholesterol they get into your cell membranes and they get recirculated and a lot of the really nefarious ones that come from toxic Mold they come from lyme disease the lipopolysaccharides that come from your gut bacteria lipo means fat these are fat soluble toxins that get in there and when you sweat out cholesterol like that

you're actually sweating out the toxins that are attached to it as well which causes the body to resynthesize cholesterol and you were finding sulfuric acid sodium Ammonia and uric acid now uric acid is tied to gout and ammonia if you're on a keto diet or you're doing a high protein keto diet which is not how you're supposed to do it excessive protein consumption creates extra ammonia in the body which is really rough on the kidneys and rough on the liver that's why high protein low-fat diets are not probably a good idea in general There's a

bunch of aging things that happen but ammonia is part of it so if you're actually sweating out that ammonia then you're getting rid of stuff that you don't get rid of if you you sit by a fire inside a sauna even though that can feel good and it's beneficial it's just not the same thing which is what i wanted people to learn from this episode yeah thank you so much for Clarifying that point and that may be one of the reasons another one of the studies that we did one of the results was a statistical

significant reduction in blood pressure and that wasn't the i mean the goal but that was that's the reason that we were able to um to get on oprah was to be able to to sit inside you know a sauna and know you're going to lower your Blood pressure without taking medication and having a passive experience you know um is is is you know mind-boggling she was doing a show specifically on longevity um you know of life and how do you how do you not only extend your life but most importantly you know that extension of

life how is that quality like how is you know how do you make those Lives your best life and your you know um and so she was introducing some products that help with that which is one you know which is our sunlighten um but it you know to the cholesterol point i was trying to tie it back to and that could be one of the reasons it's also helping to normalize blood pressure you know when you sit inside because you're removing the cholesterol you're moving the fat you're moving the stuff that's In the way to

have a healthy heart um that's um it's totally true that if you're going to if you're going to do anything that lowers blood pressure if you have high blood pressure it's it's going to be good for you on all kinds of things if you just look at all the causes of aging so there's a lot to be said for that do you have any data on like what percentage of People achieve meaningful reductions in blood pressure from sauna use i know you probably can't say for your specific kind of sauna but have you seen studies

oh there's a lot of studies out there and there's a ton of heart health studies i'm trying to think back the percentage of when we did our study um it was clear when they did the statisticians when they measured Sunlighten's sauna versus the generic infrared um there was it was stat cig i mean it was statistical significant reduction in um the people you know there were participants in the study versus the placebo effect had no difference whatsoever um there's probably five or six more areas of studies that we've touched on but we could go deeper

around tissue healing around anti-aging Around skin and collagen synthesis so i'm going to ask listeners to just say there's a boatload of evidence supporting infrared songs that didn't exist 20 years ago there was very little when you started this be like all right this one thing might work for my brother and since then it's expanding as one of the new areas of biohacking because let's face it in the 1970s you couldn't Make fire infrared like we didn't have the technology so this is part of that changing our environment around us we have new tech that

allows us to put to create an input to the human body that was not available from mother nature you could lay in the sun which is full spectrum but you get a sunburn like you know there's a limit to what you can Do there and it's not as strong so we're tuning the dose of what we get to make our bodies do what we want one of the things that um one of the reasons i tossed away that that old sauna that i bought in the late 90s um was i had a lot of concerns

about about just the stuff i've learned so i was really selective when i first got to because i asked you all kinds of questions And there's some some things that i pay attention to when looking at infrared sauna and you guys um pass with flying colors um talk to me about the type of wood that a sauna is made out of why does that matter well because you're heating the wood and so you want to make sure that you're not causing any type of Fragrance oil like anything from the wood you don't want that to

come off and to have an allergic reaction and and we learned you know i mean we learned through you know bad experiences at the very beginning when you know we we had for example our manufacturer had popular with us but that's before we did it all ourselves and we just we learned through trial and error Dave like i mean that's what you learn when you when you don't know what you're doing and and we would get and you know either start to be these patterns right where somebody would call like my eyes are itchy and

my throat and it's because there are certain woods that um when heated i mean i don't know about when they're not but have uh you know allergic reactions organic Chemicals it's not even an allergic ride it's a chemical reaction so vocs a lot of people thought oh those are bad for you but you wouldn't think that it's that big of a deal but if you take a bunch of say cedar which is probably the worst for vocs and you you take some freshly cut cedar put in your bedroom and sleep and wake up in the

morning and see how you feel you're actually poisoning yourself vocs Let's not say you can't have a cedar chest that's been off gas for a while that has a small smell to it that can be pleasant but if you're reheating it you're getting a huge dose of this that comes out and you really don't you really don't want to feel that way so you guys use basswood which is hypoallergenic and non-toxic which was a requirement for me to do it Yes um yeah we use magnetic assembly so you avoid using glue right tell me how

that works yeah yeah and that way we learned through trial and error because we were um having some problems with warping um based on the way the sauna was going together so we're like okay this is not gonna it's not gonna work we need to figure out a better way and so we installed magnets and patented the Assembly process in the side so that they seals in the the product together so that it helps in many ways it helps in the ease of the assembly i call it adult legos it helps in the construction of

the sauna because it prevents the sauna from warping and cracking because you're not getting that expansion and contraction of the wood due to heat if you don't have like some Some companies use clips and those clips are not they're not they're not tight you know my old one had clips and it was a nightmare i sure did because that's what that they made were made with and you know it just doesn't seal in um so it's it's a really easy process um and you know we have we avoid any type of our whole thing dave

is wellness first right like safety first wellness First i mean we're in this because you know my brother was really ill i mean so this is this is all about leaving the world a healthier place as a result of what we're doing every day and we want to do it to the maximum amount so we're not going to put things in our sauna that's going to potentially have harmful and we test everything we test you know anything we're going to use You know we we test it to make sure that it's edible that i mean

you can you know um it's safe so we don't use anything that's harmful um everything is that matters it matters a lot just because you're going to be breathing air in there the other thing that in fact the major reason that i got rid of of my old one and replaced it with uh with your sunlighten is emfs Absolutely bulletproof radio listeners probably know that excessive electromagnetic frequencies aren't good for you i've been talking about that since the very beginning of the blog not to say emfs aren't useful sometimes i have a cell phone i

use it but you just don't need more of that and some infrared sounds are very high in emfs especially that old really old technology You guys when you hired a third party just came out in january of this year and you hired a credible thing what's the industry standard and what's your number for emf yep our industry standard the industry standard is 10 milligauss and ours is 0.5 um and it's so that's a really you know big deal because we've been working and that's for impulse Specifically we've always had our solo which is our portable

and our signature which is our far infrared product we've always had those being you know ultra low we've had a canceling mechanism forever with impulse it's more complicated because there's three wavelengths there are c3 separate wavelengths you know you have the tablet inside i mean there's just there's more Reasons for more field to be in there so we've been working really tirelessly and relentlessly for the past 11 years since we launched it to bring that down and we were so excited when vita tech they just came out it was just brand you know it's really

hot off the press news that that's why it makes sense uh to interview and to to order from people who've been in an industry for a Long time versus you can slap something together and i just find there's a noticeable difference so you i went through all the different things about toxin levels emf levels construction all that before i decided i was gonna make the change and i've been very happy with it for for years and figured i should talk about that more now um let's see i have several Questions from the upgrade collective really

good ones queued up for you before then though anytime someone comes on from a company i ask them to offer a discount for bulletproof radio listeners that's part of what you get for listening to the show you guys are offering a 598 value which is free shipping plus 200 off the cabin unit and you're offering 249 value which is 100 buck discount and Free shipping on the solo system you guys can go to sunlighten [Music] s-u-n-l-i-g-h-t-e-n.com dave and just mention dave and wherever the thing is and they'll give you the discount if you want to

get one if you don't want to get one find a friend who has one yeah and go hang out with them it's friends time assuming that you know you're allowed wherever you live In some states it just doesn't matter and magically they have the same rates of everything else as the states where you're not allowed to see a friend i can't figure that one out but i do know that being in asana is probably good for you yeah and probably makes you harder to kill from all things so i i support sauna use shall we

have some questions sure i'd love it love it all right i've Been so excited to hear what people what's on people's minds you know i haven't been able to see people it'll be it'll be fantastic and when the person's asking the question you and i have to be super quiet so that it transmits the sound right and all that and if there's a problem then uh we'll just ask it again and we'll fix it in post all right let's have deborah ask her Questions first hi thanks so much for doing this um so as bulletproof

people we're experimenting a lot with intermittent fasting that's a huge piece of the bulletproof diet obviously have you done any research or other uh benefits or uh how it would affect using the sauna fasted versus non-fastid gosh deborah that is an excellent Question is it okay to talk nowaday i just realized yeah okay perfect um that is such a great question and and nobody's ever asked me that uh i don't have that it'd be a great thing to study and i love dave's suggestion as far as just general suggestion to monitor the sauna impact on

either how you sleep or your mood or whatever you're trying to track that would be an interesting thing to Journal about and to track to see you know when you're in when you're fasting how it would affect um i mean you know just myself knowing you know i periodically do that as well and um you know i i like to now stack so if i'm gonna i typically exercise i do everything in the morning like all that type of stuff um i can't imagine that it would be have a negative effect but you know i

if You do it will you let me know okay absolutely you can treat the sauna like you would exercise from thinking about it because you're getting the heat shock proteins that also come from exercise and you're getting the same physiological response where your blood glucose levels are going to go up a little bit your cortisol is going to go up a little bit in a good beneficial way And your heart rate goes up and all that so when we talk about tripling down on mtor which is something in fast this way the idea is that

you exercise at the end of a fast so if you can do it optimally do your intermittent fast at the end of the intermittent fast say an hour before you're going to eat take a couple of the activated charcoal pills straight up plug activated charcoal from Bulletproof is awesome stuff i formulated it myself they're not all the same but take some activated charcoal because you're going to be liberating toxins when you're in the sauna anyway and the body is going to need to burn calories which we showed it already can burn about 600 calories in

sauna session so it's gonna have to get those from somewhere ideally your fat which means the fat is full of toxins it always is We store toxins in our fat so now you've got that present and then as soon as you finish the sauna you take your shower do whatever you're gonna do and then go break your fast just like you would do instead you could do high intensity intervals right before that um so that's the best way to stack it just based on how we know everything works that i can think of yeah no

i think That's perfect that's how i used to when people would ask ask me you know back in the day questions i would totally use the you know passive cardiovascular conditioning connection to exercise versus active cardio you know and the saunas passive cardiovascular conditioning so that activity if you're comfortable doing it with active cardiovascular conditioning then you should be It should be completely great beautiful thank you all right brandon you had a question about temperature yes hello um yeah i was wondering if there was a specific temperature like sort of like a bell curve type

thing where i i heard it from somewhere else where if there's a it's too little of a temperature or too much of a temperature the amount of toxins that are secreted um can be uh less And i'm gonna throw in these last two things and i'm being greedy here but uh what are your thoughts on chelators and that clear body clear mind i know it's ronald hubbard you know blah blah blah but i hear people use that that in that nice and protocol so um yeah the temperature that chelators and the clear body clear mind

if you know about it sorry for the greediness so okay so i can answer the first one um As far as temperature so um you really want to if you're using a sunlighten infrared sauna you it's really all about like the length of time that's in there it's really not necessarily the temperature that you're using it at so you you want to ideally be in there 30 to 40 minutes ish um so a lot of times people get so focused on Aspiring to get to a certain temperature that they um they they lose focus on

the the consistency and the longevity of the time that they're in there so it's um to answer your question specifically about is there a temperature that where you don't remove as many toxins yeah that's when you're that's what the study when we talked about earlier in the show Where um that you know we've done on sunlighten because we're maximizing the amount of infrared into the body you're going to remove more toxins when you're in our sauna if you're getting into a either generic infrared or a traditional especially the traditional that that's really hot you're sweating

when you're sweating you're sweating water Right so you're not really sweating the toxic elements so and that temperature is much hotter than a sunlighten sauna did that answer your question brandon it it's interesting um brenda's nodding by the way i realize he's gonna have to unmute in order to do that okay um if if you look at a normal sauna where you're just getting heat from air right or sitting next to you know A heating element that isn't far infrared you're going to be looking at temperature and i think most of the conversation you need

an ideal temperature it's not about dose delivered into the body because they're assuming that the body is basically absorbing it from warm air or from steam right so it it's not about air temperature it's about The rate and frequency at which you raise the body temperature and how deep you go right and the the protocol um that you're talking about from l ron hubbard's stuff by the way he was a great science fiction writer if you've never read battlefield earth like that is such a good science fiction book i love that when i was a

teenager but what you'll um what they would do is They would give people uh niacin uh which is a vitamin b3 which causes uh your body gets all red and tingly and flushed right and oftentimes from what i hear people would have that and they wouldn't know they got that and then they'd be like oh my god like something physiological's happening so you know there can be a little bit of you know kind of uh bait and switch Going on there but the the sauna use of or the use of niacin in a sauna is

actually a really good idea and i'll i will do that sometimes so you can actually take 500 milligrams of niacin niacin's awesome because it's an nad precursor so i take niacin i take actual nad i also take the true niogen and i take nicotinamide mononucleotide so i take all of these Nad things but the niacin because it's increasing flow to the small blood vessels near the skin when you're in a sauna there's really good just hey doesn't that make a lot of sense because you want more blood at the extremities when you're heating the body

up so i do that quite frequently and i would say there's great reasons to do it that are nad-based and That are also circulation-based so if you want to boost from your sauna do that if you've never had 500 milligrams of niacin though you're gonna feel hot and tingly and look like you have like you're really embarrassed i mean it's very noticeable don't go on zoom right after you try niacin for the first time but i believe that that there's extra Benefits we have from saunas with niacin so brandon if that helps all right we

have one more one more question from mary and uh let's see mary why don't you come on up hi dave hi connie so um i guess what i'm looking for connie from you are pro tips on what does someone need to consider when purchasing your first unit and It's a two-part question uh the other thing is i live in colorado do you have any units that can go outside okay so i'll answer the outside question first because that's really easy i recommend having it inside um we can't we can work with you um on on

outside but i find that people use it a lot more if it's inside their home and this is from 20 plus years of experience and What the whole goal is we if you're going to get one we want you to use it as much as you can so that's my pro tip on outside versus inside as far as what to look for what should you consider wow so i first is you know do you want like think about you know visualize okay how am i going to use this am i going to use it you

know do i care about having it with My kids or whatever you know like what is the social aspect that you're gonna you know do i mean i i find that like i said i love um when my kids come in and wait and they i don't even mind what they get on netflix or like it's just great having them in there so you know think about what are some of the other experiences that you want to have you know the other decision you'll have To make that that turns into like a financial aspect is

do you want we talked a lot about this spectrum of light which is awesome like this is just a great you know service of you know to help people understand this infrared spectrum you know how do you feel about that and how important to you is having the three separate wavelengths and that's a question only you can Answer for yourself you know if that's really important to you then then i would look at the three in one and have you know because then you also have the the android control panel the tablet that's in there

you have the six programs you also have the option to do your own program you know then um if that doesn't matter to you then then you can look at the solo um which Is one of my favorites for people who just you know they just they want a portable unit they want they want easy you know like the person that wants just like quick and easy i just i you know i want to do it i want just it's just me um and the solo is awesome and and super easy or or um or

we have the signature so those are some of the things i would consider is the wavelengths Um and then you know i love the sound um and i'm so glad you asked that question because it just reminds me of how like i love the vibration therapy that you can't get in the solo so you can only get you know in the the wooden cabins um those are some of the things i would think through i'm trying to think of the other things when i bought when i did my discover um i wanted to think space

right like how much space do you want to Have in there do you want to lie down do you how do you picture yourself using it and keep in mind i would really would encourage you and everybody who's listening to think beyond the purchase right because i have never in 20 years there's not been one customer that's ever called me and said i wish i would have got um a smaller unit but i've had enormous amount of people call me and Said i wish i would have got a bigger unit you know i mean so

many people because once they get they're like oh gosh i could do this with my spot like they said you know you guys can like you know get naked and you know have a party i mean they're so it's like there's you know a lot of benefits to having a larger unit and stretching um so that's what i would say is just really kind of just Picture yourself using it picture where you think you'll you'll use it most please consider highly consider inside um your your house let me make a couple comments on the outside

thing um first look at friction as a major thing and friction is how hard is it to use if you create any new biohack in your life that requires 15 minutes to set it up and you got to go screw around and You know do a bunch of stuff you just won't do it so you want to make it low friction to do something so it becomes just an easy part of your routine there's something called initiation energy like how much work does it take to start doing something if that's too high you just won't

do it because you're human but outdoor saunas they're a bad idea because i know a thing or two about Toxic mold imagine this it's zero degrees outside you're sitting in this nice warm wooden box of untreated wood excreting huge amounts of moisture from your body and they are condensing on the outside cold surface of the wood what's going to grow there inevitably mold is going to grow there and this is why alaska has some of the worst toxic mold in the world you're like what alaska Is because you're sitting in a heated house that's nice

and moist and the entire membrane of the house is just covered with black mold in fact i think that's some of what contributed to my dad's heart attack he had many many years ago after living in a super moldy house they had to condemn when they moved out he only lived there for a few months in alaska over the winter so Why would you want to take this beautiful toxin-free sauna and put it outside what you'd want to do is you want to put in an insulated shed probably with dehumidifiers if you had to do

that otherwise put in your living room because your house already has the ability to handle normal amounts of moisture like that because it's designed that way from the ground up so that's an environmental way of Thinking about it if you live in a super dry desert you might be fine putting it outside but otherwise my original sauna i did put it outside on a deck and it did grow mold that's the other reason i got rid of it so don't don't ruin your sauna by putting it outside and then getting condensed body moisture and all

the stuff that happens if you are in a situation where that's Your only option like that i would consider every time you use it hitting it with home biotic the soil bacteria it's one of the companies i started you know full disclosure etc but it's a bacteria that likes to to feed off mold so it competes with mold in a natural environment the way it would in soil but i don't think that's enough i really think you should just put this on inside If i can be really blunt on that all right thank you upgrade

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a bunch of money on a sunlight and sauna you can tell i do my diligence that's part of my job is to try all sorts of weird stuff tell you what works and then Tell you which ones are best so i curate the awesome stuff sunlight made the grade for me and i'm super happy to have them on the show today to talk about why and to talk about the science because there is real stuff here if you have a half hour in the day you wanted to do something if you do that same thing

inside asana you're getting more benefits than you would have if you did It outside of sauna and that's why this is a cool buy hack thank you for your time and attention today my goal is that every episode of bulletproof radio is worth more to you than the investment of time and energy you put into it i hope i made the bar for you today let me know in the comments thank you guys thank you dave