Full Bill Clinton deposition video on Epstein files released: 'No one is above the law'

All right, we will go on the record. This is a deposition of former President William Jefferson Clinton conducted by the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform under the authority granted to it pursuant to House Rule 10. Accordingly, House Rule 10 grants the committee broad jurisdiction for the committee to conduct investigations of any matter at any time. On July 23rd, 2025, the subcommittee on federal law Enforcement of the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform voted by voice to approve a motion directing the chairman to authorize and issue a subpoena to you for a deposition. On

August 5th, 2025, Chairman Comr issued a subpoena for President Clinton to appear today for a deposition in furtherance of the committee's investigation into the actions and investigations of Mr. Mr. Jeffrey Epstein and Miss Gain Maxwell. I will now enter the original subpoena and Corresponding cover letter from August 5th, 2025, as well as the additional subpoena from December 15, 2025, determining a new date as exhibit one. I will enter as exhibit two the correspondence between Chairman Comr and Council for President Clinton and Secretary Clinton. This correspondence includes the following letters. October 6, 2025. Letter from David

E. Kendall to Chairman Comr and Ranking Member Garcia. October 22nd, 2025. Letter from Chairman Comr to David E. Kendall. November 3rd, 2025, letter from David E. Kendall to Chairman Comr and Ranking Member Garcia. November 21st, 2025, letter from Chairman Comr to David E. Kendall. December 10th, 2025, letter from David E. Kendall to Chairman Comr and Ranking Member Garcia. >> December 15, 2025. Letter from Chairman Comr to David E. Kendall. January 3rd, 2026. Letter from David E. Kendall to Chairman Comr and Ranking Member Garcia. January 8th, 2026. Letter from Chairman Comr to David E. Kendall. January

12th, 2026. Letter from Ashley Ken and David E. Kendall to Chairman Comr. January 13, 2026. Letter from William J. Clinton and Secretary 8. Hillary R. Clinton to Chairman Comr encompassing attached declarations under the penalty of perjury of both President Clinton and Secretary Clinton. January 20th, 2026, letter from Ashley Kalan and David E. Kendall to Chairman Comr. January 31st, 2026, letter from Ashley Kalan and Katherine M. Turner to Chairman Comr and February 2nd, 2026 letter from Chairman Comr to Ashley Cowan and Katherine M. Turner. The committee originally noticed the deposition for President Clinton on December 12th,

2025. I will mark that notice as exhibit three. I will mark as exhibit four the notice dated December 16, 2025 for a deposition Of President Clinton to occur on January 13, 2026. President Clinton did not appear for his deposition on January 13, 2026. I will enter as exhibit five the transcript for the deposition that President Clinton failed to appear for. The committee noticed a committee business meeting on January 14, 2026 to consider the contempt report for President William J. Clinton held on January 21st, 2026. I will mark that notice as exhibit six. I will mark

as exhibit 7 the contempt report for President William J. Clinton voted favorably out of the committee on oversight and government reform on January 21st, 2026. I will mark as exhibit 8 the final roll call vote sheet on favorably reporting the contempt report of President William J. Clinton out of the committee on oversight and government reform on January 21st, 2026. The committee noticed today's deposition On February 19th, 2026. I will enter the notice for this deposition as exhibit 9. I will enter as exhibit 10 the email thread between committee on oversight and government reform staff and

council for President Clinton and secretary Clinton. The email thread confirms the date, time, and location among other terms of today's deposition. Additionally, this email thread clearly states the agreed upon terms including but not limited to video recording, no Predetermined time limit, and scope. The agreed upon scope from the email marked as exhibit 10 is as follows. Pursuant to the committee's investigation into the alleged mismanagement of the federal government's investigation into Mr. Jeffrey Epstein and Miss Colleain Maxwell, the circumstances and subsequent investigations of Mr. Epstein's death, the operation of sex trafficking rings and ways for the

federal government to effectively combat Them. Ways in which Mr. Epstein and Miss Maxwell sought to curry favor and exercise influence to protect their illegal activities and potential violations of ethics rules related to elected officials. The committee will ask President Clinton and Secretary Clinton all of its questions regarding Jeffrey Epstein and Gla Maxwell, including but not limited to the personal relationships between the Clintons and Mr. Epstein and Miss Maxwell and the ways in which Mr. Epstein and Miss Maxwell sought to curry favor and exercise influence as well as the operation of sex trafficking rings and ways

for the federal government to effectively combat them without the proposed limitations on scope sought in your January 31st, 2026 letter. Can the witness please state his name for the record? >> William Jefferson Clinton. >> Thank you. My name is Jack Emmer and I am the chief counsel of investigations for chairman comr. Under the committee on oversight and government reforms rules, you are allowed to have council present to advise you during this deposition. Do you have council representing you in a personal capacity present with you today? >> I do. >> Will council please identify themselves for

the record? >> David Kendall, Williams and Connelly LLP. Katherine Turner, Williams and Connelly LLP. >> Cheryl Mills, Council to the President. >> Thank you. Starting with the majority, can members of Congress in attendance please identify themselves for the record? >> Billy members. >> Yes. James Comr, chairman of the committee from Kentucky. >> Congresswoman Nancy Mace, South Carolina. Eric Berles from Missouri. Congressman John McGuire, Virginia. Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna from Florida's 13th district. >> William Tman, South Carolina, Wisconsin. >> Ranking member Garcia, California. >> Congresswoman Melanie Stansbury, New Mexico. >> Congressman Siobania, Virginia. >> Congresswoman Emily

Randall, Washington State. Congresswoman Yasari, Arizona's third. >> Congressman Maxel Frost, Florida. >> Congressman Wesley Bell, Missouri's third district. J Walkshaw, Virginia's 11th district. Ro, California 17th. >> Lauren Boowbert, Colorado Sports District. >> Thank you. For the record, starting with the majority staff, can the additional staff members please introduce Themselves with their name, title, and affiliation? >> Billy Grant, deputy chief counsel for investigations for Chairman Comr. >> Peter Spectre, Deputy Director of Oversight for Chairman Comr. Daniel Ashworth, general counsel for Chairman Comr. Ryan Jaceti, chief counsel for Chairman Comr. >> Will Harnesses, professional staff members to

chairman. >> Hannah Kathy, professional staff member For chairman. >> No stood director for Sherman Cohen, council for chairman. Emily fireman >> Mark staff director >> Austin Hacker communications director chairman Ashley deputy staff director chairman >> thank you all President Clinton before we we begin I would like to go over the ground rules for this deposition. The questioning will proceed in rounds. The Majority will ask questions for an hour and then the minority will have an opportunity to ask questions for an hour if they choose. To the extent members have questions for the witness, they will

be propounded during their sides respective rounds. The clock will stop if you need to confer with council your council is speaking and when members or staff are speaking during the opposing sides rounds of questions. We will alternate back and forth until there are No more questions. Do you understand? >> Yes. >> There is a court reporter taking down everything I say and everything you say to make a written record of the interview. For the record to be clear, please wait until the staffer questioning you finishes each question before you begin your answer and the staffer

will wait until you finish your response before proceeding to the next question. Further to ensure the court Reporter can properly record this deposition, please speak clearly, concisely, and slowly. Also, the court reporter cannot record non-verbal answers such as nodding or shaking your head. So, it is important that you answer each question with an audible verbal answer. Do you understand? >> I do. >> Exhibits may be entered into the record. Majority exhibits will be identified numerically. Minority exhibits will be Identified alphabetically. Do you understand? Yes, >> we want you to answer our questions in the most

complete and truthful manner possible. So, we will take our time. If you have any questions or do not fully understand the question, please let us know. We will attempt to clarify, add context to or rephrase our questions. If we ask about specific conversations or event event events in the past and you Are unable to recall the exact words or details, you should testify to the substance of those conversations or events to the best of your recollection. If you recall only a part of a conversation or event, you should give us your best recollection of those

events or parts of conversations that you do recall. Do you understand? >> Yes. You are required by law to answer questions from Congress truthfully. This Also applies to questions posed by congressional staff in this deposition. Do you understand? >> Yes. >> If at any time you knowingly make false statements, you could be subject to criminal prosecution, including but not limited to perjury. Do you understand? >> Yes. This includes both knowingly providing false testimony but also stating that you do not recall or remember something When in fact you do. Do you understand? >> Yes. >> Furthermore,

you cannot tell halftruths or exclude information necessary to make statements accurate. You are required to provide all information that would make your response truthful. A deliberate failure to disclose information can constitute a false statement. Do you understand? I do. >> Is there any reason you are unable to provide truthful testimony in today's Interview? >> I don't believe so. >> Please note that if you wish to assert a privilege over any statement today, that assertion must comply with the rules of the committee on oversight and government reform. Pursuant to that, committee rule 16C1 states, "For the

chair to consider assertions of privilege over testimony or statements, witnesses or entities must clearly state the specific privilege being asserted And the reason for the assertion on or before the scheduled date of testimony or appearance. For the purposes of this deposition, objections must be stated concisely and in a non-argumentative or non-suggestive manner. The witness refuses to answer a question to preserve a privilege. Committee may seek a ruling from the chair. If the chair overrules any such objection, the witness shall be ordered to answer. If the witness continues to refuse to answer a question Despite being

ordered to do so, the witness may be subject to sanction. Do you understand? >> Yes. Ordinarily, we take a fivem minute break at the end of each hour of questioning, but if you need a longer break or a break before that, please let us know and we will be happy to accommodate. However, to the extent that there is a pending question, we would ask that you finish answering the question before we Take a break. Do you understand? >> Yes. Finally, I will note for everyone here today that the contents of what we discuss in the

deposition today is confidential under the House Deposition Regulation. Under the rules, the chairman and ranking member shall consult before any release of testimony or transcripts, including portions thereof. This means it is a violation of House and Committee rules to disclose The contents of the deposition prior to its official release. For this reason, the marked exhibits that we will use today will remain with the court reporter so that they can go into the official transcript and any copies of those exhibits will be kept at the table or returned to us when we wrap up. Can the

reporter please swear in the witness? >> Please. Do you solemnly declare and affirm under the penalty of perjury that The testimony you're about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> I do. Do you have any questions before we begin? >> No. >> I have a comment before we begin, please. Um, Mr. Chairman, I want to start out by saying, as you know, yesterday there was a photo released. Um, and I appreciate you uh assuring and Admonishing the committee and all of us of our obligations. Obviously, we want

to ensure that that doesn't happen again. Um, we've obviously experienced a number of deep fakes that have now been um, circulating on the web, not because of anything that the committee did, but because of the release of this particular uh, photograph. And for that reason, I would ask um, two things. Um, one uh, a reminder to all that the obligation to maintain what is occurring In this room occurs. and two um a release of the video of the secretary's uh testimony um as soon as possible, ideally today, which was in 24 hours. And the same

for the president, so that there are not deep fakes that are representing what is happening here when they actually have not. >> Yeah. And let let me say uh yesterday that was an unfortunate situation. We had uh probably two things that shouldn't have happened. uh the release Of the photo as well as a Democrat member communicating with the New York Times. So, uh I will again remind everyone to refrain from sending pictures or texting with media outlets outside. Uh Melvin is our uh videographer and we're getting the he's doing this today as well as producing

the video. So, we'll get them out hopefully uh as soon as possible. Hopefully within the next 24 hours. >> Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I Appreciate that. Nothing new, >> Mr. President, do you wish to provide an opening statement? >> I do. It's brief. First of all, good morning and welcome to all of you to our hometown. I appreciate you coming here. I'm here today basically for two reasons. First of all, I love my country and the Constitution. And I believe America was built on the Idea that no one is above the law, especially

presidents, and that we should all live by the same set of rules shaped by the Constitution. Democracy requires every person to play their part. And I hope that by being here today, we can bring ourselves a little further away from the brink and back to being a country where we can disagree civily and search for the truth and justice. And if that outweighs the partisan urge For spectacle and point scoring, I will do my part and I hope you'll do yours. The second reason I'm here is that the girls and women whose lives Jeffrey Epstein

destroyed deserve not justice but healing. They've been waiting too long for both. through my brief acquaintance with Jeffrey Epstein, though it ended years before his crimes came to light. And though I never Witnessed during our limited interactions any indication of what was going on, I'm here to offer what little I know so I can do my part to prevent something like this from happening again. I have to just say one personal thing. Since Hillary came in yesterday, she had nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein. Nothing. There's a picture of us both shaking hands with him

in a photo line in 1993 At a fundraiser for the White House Historical Association. I don't know how it is under President Trump, but when I was there, it was about the most non-political operation you can imagine. There were people who love the White House, who are interested in it, would give a little money every year to do things that needed doing around the house and nothing nearly as extravagant as the Ballroom or any of that, just things that had to be done. And neither she nor I remembered shaking his hand all those years ago.

So I don't think that was right. On the other hand, I do think you should be talking to me. I think you should have called me. I did take those plane trips with him and you have a right to ask those questions. So, I'm glad to be here and I understand what the oath is. I have to be honest with you. You know, I'll be 80 years old if I lived on my next birthday. I I don't remember everything that happened 24 years ago, but I do remember some things. And I will tell you what

I remember as best I can. We each of us owe the victims nothing less than the truth and accuracy. We owe that to the American people. And I actually hope that you will be able to come up with some suggestions that will reduce human trafficking and especially focus on underage girls. I hope you'll be able to do that. I know that Hillary talked a little yesterday about what the State Department does and what she pushed on human trafficking and girls when she was Secretary of State. We had to deal with it. And in my foundation,

I saw it in Nigeria when Boka Haram was rampaging through the north of Nigeria. And we were working there trying to stop deaths from diarrhea for young children. And it was interesting. These guys were cold and calculated. They said, "Oh, you don't have to leave because the kids you're helping are younger than the ones we want. They have to be about nine before they're worth anything to us." So, I This is really important and I will do what I can to make whatever contribution I can. Thank you. Thank you. The time reads 11:28 and the

majority's time will begin now. Mr. President, thank you for agreeing to testify today and for your years of service to our country. I want to start from the beginning. When did you first meet Jeffrey Epstein? Well, I will try in this testimony and I will point it out when I'm aware there's a picture or something that's predates this. There's a picture which shows him shaking hands in the White House Historical Association reception that was in 1993, but I'm not Aware of that. I first remember meeting him when I got on his airplane to take the

first trip with my foundation and I think 2002 whenever it was with and to be clear do you have any reason to believe that you may have met Mr. I've seen prior to becoming president of the United States. >> Before I became president, no. >> And you mentioned that your first memory of interacting with Mr. Epstein was on your first trip. Which trip specifically? >> I'm not sure which one it was. Which one was the first? We had I took all or part of four or five trips to Asia and Africa and one to north

northern Europe on Mr. Epstein's airplane. Uh, and once when I was in Florida, I was offered a ride back to New York, but I wasn't there having it was just coincidental that he was there and I think that was fairly early in the process, but I don't remember exactly. I just know that I did. I took one flight back from Florida to New York and all are part of several other I think four or five trips To Africa, Asia, and one to Northern Europe. >> And I want to make sure the record is clear. Is

it your testimony today that you have no independent recollection whatsoever of the circumstances of when you first met Mr. Epstein? >> Objection asked and answer. You can answer again. >> I Yes, I do have a recollection of when I remember meeting him before this trip. I mean on this trip when I took his Plane. >> Mr. President, we're going to discuss more specifics later. But for the record, can you briefly describe the nature and extent of your relationship with Mr. Epstein? Well, sometime after I left the White House, either in late 2001 or earlyish mid

2002, I received a call from Larry Summers, who had been on my economic team and was Later secretary of treasurer and was then president of Harvard. and he said that uh he was calling because a man named Jeffrey Epstein who had made a substantial commitment of several million dollars I think it was 10 but whatever it was I don't to brain research and that he was a information hungry person and he wanted to spend some time talking to me about Economics and politics. And he said, "He's got this massive airplane." And he said he would

take you, your staff, your Secret Service detail, and anybody else you wanted to bring on the trips that he knew I was planning to set up a global network to provide life-saving AIDS medicine to as many people as possible as quickly as possible. And I should back up and say when I left office, we had done all the preliminary Work to set up the global phones on HTV malaria, but it was not yet funded. And there were other instruments and institutions who were later founded including President Bush's PEPAR program. It had not yet been funded.

There were only 200,000 people in the entire developing world who had AIDS medicine. Most of them in Brazil, which had a big drug operation on its own. And in Thailand, which also had its own drug population. In Africa, there were like 30,000 people or something, just next to no people, and they were dying like flies. And I thought we had found a way to drastically drive the price down. And that if we could drive the price down, we could and empower people to administer the medicine, right, we could save a lot of lives. And I

was obsessed with it. And I was being helped by a man named Aaron Magaziner who had helped us in the hot white house and whom I had known since we lived uh as road scholars together in 1960s. So anyway, that's I that's why when Larry Summers said this, I thought, boy, this would be great. And so we followed up and took the trips Mr. President, when did your relationship with Mr. Epstein end? >> When did it end? Uh, well, I believe I took my last flight in 2003. Um now later I became aware of some

involvement he had in the first front and global initiative but it was much later. >> Why did your relationship with Mr. Epstein end? Well, after a year or two, we really picked up ahead of steam with this AIDS program and a lot of other people whom I knew better and who really cared about the work came forward and offered to help us provide transportation. And I I thought Mr. ever seen was an interesting man but he I didn't think he was really interested In what I was doing that is he asked all these questions he

he did ask about economics and politics as he said he would and he never asked me anything untored it's just that I didn't think I thought I had done what I promised to do and he had done what he promised to do. And I thought I'd always over the years with these donors tried not to overstay My welcome. I thought that we'd done enough and it was time to start working with other people. >> When did you first learn of Jeffrey Absin's crimes? I think in 2008 when he was prosecuted. I didn't there's nothing that

I saw when I was around him that made me realize he was trafficking women and I never Let's talk about Elaine Maxwell. When did you first meet Kain Maxwell? >> I believe I first met her With him >> when she was working with him. >> And what did you understand Miss Maxwell and what did you understand her her relationship to be with Mr. Epstein? >> I thought she was sort of his chief of staff or administrator. And you said that you first met Miss Maxwell with Mr. Epstein. Is that after you were president? >> Yeah,

I don't believe I met her when I was president. I could have. I met a lot Of people, you know. I don't remember, but I I definitely remember meeting her on that first flight. Can you briefly for the record describe the nature and extent of your relationship with Miss Maxwell? >> Yes, it was it lasted longer and was more extensive than my relationship with Mr. Epstein because Galain Maxwell started going with a man named Ted White Who was had made a lot of money making the first sort of uh designed self-designed computers and he was

a big supporter of M and the foundation. before he started seeing Ken, we had been friends and he was interested in particularly in reducing pollution in the oceans and so when she started going with him I would see her from time to time. And when did your relationship with Miss Maxwell end? >> I don't think I've seen her in a decade. I don't It's been a long time. I don't know exactly when. >> Why did your relationship with Miss Maxwell end? >> Well, first she moved to Boston. I think she had a relationship with a

man there. and I think they may have married And uh so she wasn't so much around and she then when it became after 2019 when it became obvious that she was involved too to an extent that I did not know that was the end of And I want to make sure the record is clear. You mentioned that your relationship with Miss Maxwell was more extensive than that of Mr. Epstein. >> Well, it lasted longer. Yes. >> Okay. When when do you have any recollection of what year it would have ended? >> No, but you know

when she was with Ted White, she was when we were kicking off CGI. She was very interested in that and she participated but I don't remember I don't know it's been 10 12 years since I saw her. I don't remember when the last time was. >> Thank you. >> I am going to ask you some baseline questions regarding who you communicated with and about what. If you don't recall specifics, but do recall you communicated with them, you should answer yes, but say you do not recall specifics. >> Could council, can I just ask you your

your if you're going down a list, your question is did he communicate with the person yes or no? And then you'll come Back if he says yes to ask further. >> Yes. Thank you. >> And I will finish the prompt here too. So the question, Mr. President, have you ever communicated with any of the following people regarding Mr. Jeffrey Epstein or Miss Colle Maxwell and for now you can say yes or no and we will come back to discuss each one >> and this is to the best of his recollection. Yeah. >> Correct. >> Okay.

Thanks. >> Okay. >> First Richard Khan. >> Richard who? >> Khan. >> T O D. >> K A H N. >> I don't know who that is. Darren Indkike. >> Inde. >> Correct. >> I don't know who that is. >> Sarah Kellen. >> I don't know who that is. >> Uma Abedine. >> Yes. >> The the excuse me, Mr. President, the question is, as I understand it, name the people you communicated to about Epste Maxwell. >> Oh, obviously I know Huma very well. >> I don't remember any specific conversations we ever had about Epstein and

Maxwell. >> Nome Chsky. >> No. Uh, Mr. Chsky wasn't a big fan of mine. He thought I was too conservative. >> Leslie Gra. >> Leslie who? >> Gra. >> I'm sorry. I don't know who that is. >> Nadia Marenova. >> I don't know who that is. >> Jean Luke Brunell. >> I don't know who that is. I don't believe. >> Alan Dersowitz. I know him and uh I'm not aware that we ever talked about Epstein or Gal I Maxwell I don't believe we did >> Reed Hoffman >> I know Reed Hoffman but he never talked

to me about Mr. Stein or Miss Maxwell. >> Karina Shuliaak. >> I don't believe I know who that is. I don't think I've ever met that person. >> Woody Allen. >> I do know who he is, but I don't think I ever met him and I never talked to him about Fino Maxwell. >> Sneer. Sandy Burgerer was my national security adviser and we were very close personally, but he's been dead for several years and I don't think I ever talked to him About either one of those people. >> Jess Staley. >> Jess Staley, >> correct?

>> No. Paul Morris I don't believe I know him D Rothschild >> who Rothschild >> Le Rothschild >> Lem Rothschild. Is that who it is? >> No. And I have other Rothschilds on this list as well. I'm not sure who LED law is. I've met a bunch of them when I spoke at the funeral for Elen Roth and I had met some of the others the one couple in France once 20 years ago, but I I don't remember him. >> Okay. >> Lynn Boriser Rothschild. Yes, I know her, but I don't remember ever Discussing Jeffrey.

I've seen her Glenn Maxwell with her. >> Glenn Duben, >> I don't believe I know him. >> Eva Anderson, >> I don't believe I know her. >> Casey Wasserman, >> I know him. and he was on a trip to Africa with me. But I don't recall ever discussing either going forward Jeffrey Epstein Magazer. Yes, I think I mentioned him earlier. He was the person who basically helped me start the AIDS program and he ran the Clinton Health Access Initiative for many years. He applied he retired a couple of years ago, a few years ago, but

I don't remember ever discussing either Epstein or Roth with him. I mean, or Maxwell with him. Karen Euing. >> No. >> Stacy Plaset. >> Stacy Plasket is the member of Congress from the Virgin Islands, isn't she? >> Correct. >> Know her. But I don't recall ever discussing Epstein or Maxwell. >> Howard Lutnik. >> Howard Lutnik is the Secretary of Commerce. Correct. >> Uh I know him and from 911 and because Hillary worked with his company and helped him to get going again. But um and I know he's now President Trump's Secretary of Commerce, but I

never I don't remember ever having any conversation with him about Jeffrey Epstein, Oracle Maxwell, >> Doug Band, >> and he worked for me for years, and I know that he was He arranged like airplane flights and things like that. and was doing work on the first Clinton Global Initiative in 2005. And I know that he knew both Epstein and Maxwell. I do not know to what extent he was in contact with them. And I've heard things in the last things I didn't have any idea 24 years ago. So, you'd have to be more specific. If

you want to know if I knew something, then I can Tell you as best I can, but I >> he worked for me and I knew some of what he was doing and I didn't know some of what he was doing. >> Thank you. And we will return to Mr. Ban. Louisie Free or Lewis Free. >> I do know him. I to the best of my knowledge I didn't have any conversations with him without anything practically but I certainly didn't talk to him about this >> Robert Rubin >> Bob Rubin was Larry Summer's predecessor as

Treasury Secretary and the first director of the National Economic Council. But I am uh I don't even know if he knew Jeffrey Epstein or Glenn Maxwell. I had no conversation with him about it. >> And for now, Mr. President, uh you can answer yes or no. >> Okay. >> And the yes or no is intended to convey Whether or not we had a conversation about the Maxwell or Jeffrey. Right. >> So the answer to Reuben is no. >> Larry and Summers. >> Yes. Pete Rathgab. >> Pete who? >> Wrathab. >> Wrathco. R A T H

K O. >> R A T H G E. >> Oh, Rathco. I don't recall that name. >> John Podesta. >> I don't believe I ever had a talk with John about it. I did stay in touch with John Podesta after he left after I left the White House and I consider him a friend but I don't believe we ever discuss have seen her at Maxwell. >> Andrew friendly. No, he was one of my what you call body men at the White House and we've stayed in touch over the years, but I don't remember discussing Epstein

or Maxwell With it. >> Katherine Rumler. >> Kathy Rumler uh is a lawyer who has done some >> on occasion some help for the foundation. I don't believe I ever discussed Maxwell or Epstein with it, but it I can't be sure, but I don't remember doing it. >> Mr. President, they're only asking you what you can remember. >> What? >> They're only asking you what you can remember. >> Mark Middleton. >> I I did not. And he sadly is dead now. Bill Richardson. >> No, he's dead too now, sadly. But >> but I didn't know

about this relationship with >> George Mitchell. >> No. >> Bill Gates, >> no. >> Leon Black, >> no. Aude Barack. >> No. >> Tony Blair, >> no. >> Andrew Mount Batten Windsor. I knew uh that he knew at some point I knew that he knew the Landmark but I did not know I don't think that he knew Epstein. >> So is that a yes that you had communications with him? >> That no we never had anything. Is your question communications about Epstein and Maxwell? >> Correct. >> Just generally as a conversation like you're together. Can

you just elaborate more so he can better answer your Question? >> Mr. President, did you ever have any communications with Prince Andrew related to Mr. Reps or Miss Maxwell? >> The direct answer to your question is no. But I don't want to mislead you. I know that because of my friendship with Elyn and Win Rochov and because the former prince was around them and they knew Uh Glenn Maxwell from Britain and through her father, her late father. There may have been some conversation there. I I don't remember it, >> but I don't want to mislead

you. It did. I knew something that >> Thank you. >> Your question because it's so broad means that any social engagement that you might have would be captured. So I think what he's trying to distinguish Between is what you're trying to learn and just social engagement. >> Yes. >> If I had a social engagement with Edward >> related to Mr. Epstein, >> not related to him. No. >> Thank you. >> Peter Mandlesson. No >> Muhammad bin Salman. >> No. >> Larry Paige. >> No. >> Sergey Brenn. >> No. >> So, let's talk about Larry Summers.

You mentioned that you had communications with him related to Maxwell and Epstein. What were the nature of those? For the record, he said with Epstein, just to >> Epstein. >> Jose Epstein. Thank you. You mentioned that you had communications with Larry Summers related to Mr. Epstein. Can you describe The nature of those communications? >> Yes. As I said before, he called me on the phone. He knew what I was trying to do with this AIDS work and how important it was to me. and he said he had just talked to Jeffrey Epstein who he's described

as a successful investment adviser who made a lot of money and had made a large commitment to Harvard to brain research And he said he wants to talk to you about politics and economics and he says if you will take an hour on the longer legs of these trips he knows you're going going to make to Africa and Asia to talk to him about it that he will fly you on his airplane and your staff and your Secret Service details and any other people you want to take who are supporting your work and you mentioned

these communications Were related to the work of your foundation. Did you ever have any other communications with Larry Summers related to Mr. Epstein? >> No. >> So, for the record, you never discussed anything related to Mr. Epste and young women or girls? >> Absolutely not. >> Mr. President, for the record, have you ever been contacted by any law enforcement agency concerning Jeffrey Epstein or Delane Maxwell? As far as I know, no, that is as far as I remember. Back in 2008, I sort of thought somebody might ask me something because I and I was glad

this had come out since it had happened, but I don't believe anybody ever did. You mentioned that you thought someone would want to ask you something. Can you elaborate on what that means? >> Just because he let me use this airplane. >> And to be clear, have you ever provided any information to any law enforcement agency concerning Jeffrey Epstein or Miss Glain Maxwell? >> What you call? >> So, you asked this question before. You're just asking him to reiterate the response to the question that he previously asked you, Mr. President. >> I don't I I

don't believe any law Enforcement agency has ever asked me and I don't I didn't know enough to volunteer anything. >> Mr. President, are you aware of any efforts by anyone, including an attorney, process server, investigator, or any other person, to contact you regarding any civil lawsuit, claim, or litigation involving Jeffrey Epstein or Glenn Maxwell? >> Not that I recall. >> Did Jeffrey Epstein ever inform or Represent to you that he was working with any intelligence service of any nation, including the United States? No. >> Did Glain Maxwell ever inform or represent to you that she

was working with any intelligence service of any nation, including the United States? >> No. >> And during your relationship, did you ever suspect Epstein or Maxwell of being affiliated with any intelligence agency? >> I did not. >> Thank you. I want to talk about your time in the White House. I realize that you have testified. Your recollection is limited, but did Mr. Epstein ever visit the White House while you were president? >> Objection. Asked and answered. >> The records reflect that he did. >> Not the question. >> According to foyer requests to the Clinton Library,

Mr. Epstein visited the White House at least 17 times between 1993 and 1995. Do you have any reason to dispute those numbers? >> Nope, >> I don't. >> Do you know what the nature of Mr. Epstein's visits to the White House were? >> Are you asking what he knew in preparation for today? Can you clarify what you are seeking to learn? First of all, at the time I had no idea who was coming and going. Huge numbers Of people come and go in the White House. A lot of them come well over once, especially if

they're lobbyists, for example. But I didn't know he was coming, so I certainly didn't know what he was coming about. Mr. President, after you left office, did you or your staff ever conduct a review of records, documents, or other materials related to Mr. Epstein's connections to your White House? >> You're exempting counsel. You can respond to that, but don't say anything about what you talked to your lawyers about. >> You can respond to this question. >> Do you need the question again? >> Yeah. I don't even understand. You mean did we look into what he

did in the White House after I left office? >> Mr. President, one of the concerns of the committee is how Mr. Epstein and Gain Maxwell attempted or potentially Attempted to curry favor with influential figures. My question was after you left office, did you or your staff ever conduct a review of records related to Mr. Epstein's connections to your White House? >> To the best of my knowledge, no. At this time, I would like to introduce will be marked as majority exhibit 11. And while it's being passed out, I will note for the record, this is

a New York Times article entitled The Untold Story of How Jeffrey Epstein Got Rich, published on December 16th, 2025. And when you you receive the article, I want to direct your attention to the last paragraph of page 31. >> The last paragraph of which page? >> 31. And when you are ready, I will also read it into the record. Again, we are looking at page 31 in the last Paragraph and I will read it into the record and ask you a few questions. >> Please give him a moment to read this. Start. I see this.

>> This is the paragraph. Yes. >> Mr. President, the article reads, "By 1995, Clinton and Epstein were sufficiently chummy that he wrote a get well sue note to Epstein's alien mother. Hang in there." The president scrolled on a yellow postit which Epstein saved And we reviewed. Mr. President, did you write this note? >> Are you asking if he recalls writing this note from 1995 on a post-it? >> Correct. >> Okay. Thanks. >> It looks like my handwriting, but I don't recall. But I will tell you this, I have written get well notes to lots of

people. I did not know and had never met. >> And you answered um my next question. Did you ever meet Jeffrey Epstein's mother or any of his family members? >> No, I'm not sure that I was asked to do this by Jeffrey Epstein. >> And I want to focus specifically on the article's characterization. It says that you were chummy with Mr. Epstein in 1995. Is that accurate? No, I'm going to object to that characterization. It's hearsay. President may answer. >> No, >> I was surprised by that. >> Let's talk about your relationship with Mr. Epstein

after you left the White House. >> How would you characterize your relationship with Mr. Epstein? Mr. President, he has a question for you. >> During the time I was it was cordial. >> At any time would you characterize Mr. Epstein as a friend? >> We were friendly, but I didn't know him Well enough to be say we were friends. >> How often did you communicate with Mr. Epstein? >> Usually only on the trips. I did go to his house once as you know >> and we will discuss that further later on today. And how did

you typically communicate with Mr. Epstein? Did you talk to him on the phone? >> Excuse me. He just said he talked to him on the trips. So that's in person. >> Typically my staff communicated with all Of with him. I think it was mostly Mr. man, but he somebody talked to him. >> And you mentioned that you visited one of his properties, >> but outside of the work on the foundation and your trips, how many times did you meet in person with Mr. Epstein? >> You're asking him to the best of his recollection. outside of

the trips. I believe he came to the office once in Harlem. I was still house up There then. And I think he paid a brief visit to the office and I paid a brief visit to the his house. But and at the when I I once thought I was he was there but now that I think about it I don't think he was and that was it. I mean I didn't >> that's what I remember. >> And you mentioned you visited Mr. Epstein's house. Are you referring to His New York townhouse? >> Yes. >> And

your communications with Mr. Epstein. Did you ever have any communications that were not related to the foundation? >> I don't I don't believe we ever talked about anything, but the work we were doing and maybe small talk, I can't imagine the conversations. >> And for the record, before we move on, did you ever have any communications With Mr. Epstein that related to young women or girls? >> No. Um, excuse me. Do you have You're Fantastic. Thank you very much. >> Am I good? >> Good morning, Mr. President. How are you? >> Fine. Um, I want

to first start out by asking you, have you ever been or traveled on or has uh Huma Abedine ever traveled on Epstein's plane? >> If you know it, >> I don't know. It she might have taken one of the trips with us, but I don't know. >> Okay. So, have you flown on a plane with her? >> Um, several times. >> Several times. Can you say have you flown on a plane? Any plane? The Lolita Express. >> What is that when you say that? >> Have you flown on the Lolita Express with Jeffrey? >> Objection.

>> I don't know what that is. >> Have you flown on Jeffrey Epstein's plane with Huma Abodine? >> Ask and answer. Give me answer again. >> I don't I don't remember, but it's but I have found she's been sort of a part of our family for a very long time. So I and when I went to the Middle East, Which I I don't think I ever took a plane ride with Jeffrey Epstein, but she would typically go when I did. >> So have you traveled with both of them together? >> Excuse me. Both both of

whom counsel, >> of course. Um have you traveled with Jeffrey Epstein and Huma uh Huma Abedine together? >> I do not know. >> Okay. Thank you. Um, if the staff can please pass out EFTA 0021628 and the rest of the documents I have them print regarding passports to the president and council be exhibit 12. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Mr. President, if you look at the passport page, uh the bottom of the document should show the EFTA number. It's 000021628. >> Yep. >> There's a name on there. Would you be able to read that

name to me? Can you read the name? >> Excuse me. Would you ask if you've ever seen the document before? >> Yes. Well, this is evidence and so I wanted to ask him specifically. So, it's from the DOJ document release, right? >> I understand, but he may not have seen it or he may have seen it. >> No, I've never seen it, but it looks like a passport. >> Okay. Um, can you tell me the name that's listed on the passport? >> Excuse me. He's never seen this document. Would you just read the name, please?

>> Yes. Um, the name is Marius Robert. >> Marius Robert. Yeah. >> Are you familiar with that name at all? >> No. >> Okay. Um, would you be able to identify the individual in the photo? >> It looks like Jeffrey Epstein. >> Okay. The reason I ask you about this specifically is because I do believe that Jeffrey Epstein was an intelligence operative. And so this was a passport that was actually entered in and released by the Department of Justice, but this was an FBI filing. It was found um in his uh safe, if you will.

So, it's an alias. The reason I ask you that is because given your nature and position, um I'm wondering if you were essentially targeted by a honeypot operation andor By intelligence to g gather information. So that's why I asked you that question. >> Mr. President does not have a question. P >> I have Is there a question? >> No, I can ask a question. >> Well, I'll be getting to more, but that's the reason I asked that. Okay. Um, my next question for you is, have you ever um had contact with an individual by the

name of Shantae Davies? >> I believe Shantae was that's a distinctive name. I saw I think that was the name of one of his flight attendants. >> Okay. Um, she has been described on being on a 2002 Africa trip and providing massages. Was she or any other young female on that trip underage at that time? >> Not that I'm aware of. >> Okay. Um, did you ever receive a massage or have physical contact from her or Anyone else on that trip? >> You've seen the pictures. There was one time when I was sitting up and

I got a back row by neck. >> Okay. >> And I think Shante did it, but I'm not sure. >> Okay. Um, did you ever visit Epstein's Little St. James Island? >> No. Um, we have Virginia Guy who has testified seeing you on the island with Two young girls. Did this occur? >> Not at all. Okay. Um, why do you think she would have made that claim? >> Objection. Speculation. You can't possibly >> have you have you ever met her or any other Epstein associated underage girl? >> Not to my knowledge. >> Okay. In Epstein's

2016 deposition unsealed in the DOJ files, he refused to answer if you were accompanied by two young women Who are approximately 18 years old on the island. Were any such women potentially underage with you? I know you've stated that you were not there, but did you have any interaction with the >> objection to the foundation of the question? He's already stated he was not on the island. He you're now asking about a claim of the fifth amendment by Jeffrey Epstein. >> Okay. Um, would the staff be able >> if if the witness doesn't know, the

witness is welcome to say he doesn't know. >> No, but he actually answered the question. He answered the question, but it wasn't on the island as >> Okay. Um, do you know individual by the name of Sarah Ransom? >> I don't believe so. >> Okay. There have obviously been claims made about you. Um, and I do not believe that These claims are credible. The reason I am asking you specifically about that name is because that individual stated that you were um in sex tapes. Okay. It was unfounded and it was discredited. But given the politization

of this entire investigation, do you believe that it would be appropriate of members of this committee to bring in witnesses whether it is about you or another president that have unfounded allegations regarding sexual claims of Misconduct? That's not a decision for me to make. >> As a recommendation in regards to avoiding trafficking, etc., and bringing justice for the victims, would you make that recommendation to this committee? >> Just so I understand the question, you're you're saying if the witness has unfounded claims? >> Well, I don't believe that Sarah Ransom's claims about the president are founded.

I don't believe that there's Sex tapes with you, President Clinton. >> No, I'm just asking about your question. Is is it I you're not asking if somebody with plausible claims should be brought in. You're asking if somebody with implausible unfounded claims. >> Correct. Because these claims were found to be unfounded by investigators. >> So, are you asking his opinion? >> Yes. Because we are trying to figure out in regards to being able to further this investigation and whether or not we are Going to be interviewing other individuals regarding sex trafficking, avoiding it in the future.

I know that you and your wife have both been big on this issue. So, I'm asking you, would you think that it would be appropriate that this committee bring in someone like Sarah Ransom who has unfounded claims that have been debunked in this investigation? >> He answered the question about he answered this question when you first Asked it then when you said when he said that it wasn't for him to make those decisions. >> Well, I'm asking for his recommendation to the committee and followup. >> It's not it's not a gotcha question. This is obviously

a very serious investigation. Well, first of all, I recommend that you have on your staff a prosecutor who's had a lot of experience in this dealing With these cases. Normally, it's not a good idea to bring in a witness that you know is lying. >> Okay, thank you for that. Um, my last questions for you are, are you familiar with anyone by the name of Adriana Ross? I don't think so. >> How about Sarah Kellen? >> I don't think so. >> Okay. Would you recommend that this committee bring in individuals that were listed as trafficking

Minors? They were listed as co-conspirators and then given plea deals. I don't know enough about it, but I think you should do whatever you think will strengthen the ability of the United States not to have this happen again. >> Okay. Is it possible and in your opinion that you andor your wife were targeted as a means of an intelligence gathering Operation? >> Object form of the question. >> Object the form of the question. No, no objection to if he knows that they were targeted. >> I believe that's what she asked. >> No, she said it's

impossible. So, she's asking him to speculate instead of asking him does. >> Do you know Do you know if you were targeted at any point? >> I don't. But I don't I'd sort of be surprised, but I'm not I don't know. >> Okay. All right. Chairman Comr, I think that deals my time. I just want to say thank you very much um President Clinton for coming in and I do understand that this has been politicized but again I will stay on record and I will state this to the press that I don't believe that uh

Sarah Kellum's claims against you were valid. >> Thank you. >> Mr. President, before we left off, I asked you to characterize your relationship with Mr. Epstein. I asked you if you considered him to be a friend. You said you did not. Is that right? >> I said we were friendly and we had a cordial relations, but I didn't know him well enough because we had almost no contact beyond what I described. >> At this time, I'd like to introduce what Will be marked as majority exhibit 13. And this is Batesmart House Oversight 000126. And while

it's being passed out, this is a letter from a book of letters which >> 50th birthday, >> Jeffrey Epstein's 50th birthday question, >> Mr. President, do you recognize this letter? >> And for the record, does this appear to be your handwriting and signature? It Is. >> And why did you write this letter? Why did I? >> Because I was requested to contribute an ICE letter for his birthday book. >> And who asked you to write the letter? >> I have no I don't remember. >> Would Miss Maxwell have asked? >> I don't know. I think

my someone on my staff asked me. Now, there's a word that our committee has Not been able to identify and in our defense, the Wall Street Journal has not been able to identify. >> Imagine being on his staff. >> Can you please read the letter for the record? >> Yes. It's reassuring, isn't it, to have lasted so long across all the years of learning and knowing, adventures and errors, and still to have your childlike curiosity, the drive to make a Difference, and the solace of friends. >> Not a bad letter. And because we haven't been

able to identify that word until now, what did you >> which word was it that you could not >> solace? You couldn't >> No, no. Errors. >> Errors. >> I mean, anybody who's lived 50 years and done anything has made mistakes as well as progress and done things. >> But for the record, you weren't Referring to errors in judgment that Mr. Epstein had related to his uh inappropriate activities involving >> Absolutely not. I knew nothing about that. >> Did you ever see the birthday book compiled together? >> I don't think so. >> And you mentioned

previously you were friendly with Mr. Epstein. Did you typically send birthday wishes to individuals that you didn't consider To be friends though? >> No. I'm I send out literally hundreds and hundreds of birthday letters every year to people that have been my friends. And but if somebody's doing a special I've sent birthday letters of congratulations to people I've met two or three times for their 70th birthday, their 80th birthday, their you know 50th wedding anniversary. I do it and I found I told you I thought Estream was interesting and curious. So I wrote a letter

that I thought reflected that. Can you elaborate on what made him interesting and curious? >> No more than I've already said. >> At this time, I'd like to introduce will be marked as majority exhibit 14. And while it's being handed out, this is an article published by the New York Times on August 5th, 2025 entitled A Look Inside Epson's Manhattan Lair. And once you receive the article, I will Just direct your attention to page 10. Where is that? >> No, they haven't brought it yet. >> Thank you very much. >> And we're specifically looking at

a framed photo on a wooden table alongside multiple other framed photos. And we're focusing on the photo in the middle which appears to have a golden frame. Not the page with the pope. >> Yeah. Okay, I see it. >> Page 10. Is that what we're on? >> Page 10. >> Mr. President, do you recognize yourself in this photo? >> I do. >> And it appears that the man on the right of the photo is Jeffrey Epstein. Is that correct? >> I think so. >> Have you seen this photograph before today? >> Only in this picture.

>> And for the record, what is happening in this photo? He's smiling at me. Looks like he's talking to me. >> This is one of the friendly interactions that you were describing earlier. >> Yes. >> And can you describe the circumstances surrounding this photo? >> Are you asking him if he recalls this? >> I do not. I I have no idea. I see Richard Branson in the back and >> okay >> other people >> but I don't remember anything about it and you appear to be comfortable with Mr. Epsy in this photo. Would you disagree

with >> that characterization? >> You were creating a characterization. He's already responded to your question about the picture. >> I'm comfortable with all I'm comfortable here. I'm not happy about >> and my conscience is clear. That helps. Is that >> okay? >> Mr. President, we have about five minutes remaining in the majority's first hour. So, I just want to ask you some questions related to the crimes committed by Mr. Epstein and Miss Maxwell. Did you ever witness Mr. Epstein sexually abuse or assault young women or girls? >> No. >> Did you ever witness Mr. Epste

receive massages from young women or girls? >> Not that I recall. >> Did Mr. Epstein ever discuss sexual acts of any kind with you? >> No. >> Did you ever have any sexual contact with young women or girls in the presence of Epstein or Maxwell? >> No. >> Did you ever have sexual contact with Any young woman or girl introduced to you by Epstein or Maxwell? >> No. Mr. President, with the benefit of hindsight, were there things you witnessed that could have suggested that Epstein was trafficking and sexually abusing young women and girls? >> I

do not believe so. We will go off the record. We can go back on the record. Mr. President, good morning. >> Good morning. >> My name is and I'll be doing most of the questioning for the minority today. First, I want to thank you for your long and distinguished service to this country. I also want to thank you for your time today. We appreciate it. Before we get to questions, I'd like to take a few minutes and highlight some context that we think is relevant for today's conversation. President Trump had a long-standing personal relationship with

Jeffrey Epstein. That is not a secret. It is well documented and I think the public and everyone in Congress understands that at this point. President Trump does not like talking about his long-standing personal relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. I think we've all seen that as well. On November 12th of last year, Oversight Committee Democrats released emails that Were obtained from the estate of Jeffrey Epstein. In one email from 2011, Epstein said to Galain Maxwell that President Trump was quote that dog that hasn't barked and that an unnamed victim quote spent hours at my house with him.

In another email from 2019, Epstein wrote that quote of course he referring to President Trump knew about the girls as he asked Gain to stop. I'd like to enter as minority exhibit A oversight Democrats press release from November 12th, 2025 titled House Oversight Committee releases Jeffrey Epstein email correspondent raising questions about White House cover up of Epstein files and that includes both the emails that I just mentioned. There was a fair amount of public attention on those emails and two days later, President Trump asked the Department of Justice to investigate Epstein's relationships with yourself, Larry

Summers, Reed Hoffman, and JP Morgan Chase. You are, of course, a former Democratic president of the United States. Notably, President Trump did not include any Republicans in his demands. Later that day, Attorney General Pam Bondi posted on social media that the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York would comply with President Trump's directive and take the lead on the investigation. I would like to enter as minority Exhibit B, Attorney General Bondi's post on X, which also includes President Trump's post on truth socially. It is well understood that you had a personal relationship with

Mr. Epstein and we will talk about that today. But the events I just described color our perspective on the conversation. It appears as if you and other Democratic figures have been targeted by President Donald Trump in an attempt to distract the American people from his own Long-standing relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. And if that were true, it would not be the first time that President Trump has targeted his political enemies under the guise of law enforcement. This deposition is occurring in the context of unprecedented weaponization of the Department of Justice by Donald Trump. You may have

a perspective on this of your own. So before we get started, I just want to give you the opportunity to share any thoughts you might have on That subject. I think I'll let you ask me some questions and then maybe at the end I'll say something. >> That sounds fine. Thank you. I'd like to start our conversation with a few foundational questions so we can just set the record straight from the very beginning. With respect to your relationship with Mr. Epstein. Did you ever at any point during your interactions with Jeffrey Epstein know About the

sexual abuse that he was committing against minors and young women? >> No. >> Have you ever engaged in sexual activity with a person introduced to you by Jeffrey Epstein? >> No. >> With respect to your relationship with M. Galain Maxwell. Did you ever at any point during your interactions with Galain Maxwell know about the sexual Abuse that she committed and facilitated against minors and young women? >> No. >> Have you ever engaged in sexual activity with a person introduced to you by Galain Maxwell? >> No. >> Have you ever at any point visited Jeffrey Epstein's

former estate on Little St. James Island in the US Virgin Island. >> No. >> In February of last year, Attorney General Pam Bondi said on Fox News that you traveled on Mr. Epstein's plane, quote, because it supposedly had a bed in there where Jeffrey Epstein had young girls. I will ask you, did you fly on Mr. Epstein's plane because it had a bed where Jeffrey Epstein had young girls? >> No. Are there any other accusations that have been made against you with respect to Mr. Epstein that you'd like to Address before we get started with

some chronological questions? >> I think you pretty well covered it. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. I will ask a series of chronological questions. I'd like to try to create one clear chronological record. Some of that might be repetitive from what you've already talked about. I will try to keep that to a minimum. All of these questions are from a long time ago. If you don't recall anything about What I'm asking, just let me know. Starting with events before and during your presidency, the earliest known link that we're aware of between yourself and Mr. Epstein

is that he made a pair of campaign contributions to you in 1992. There was a $1,000 contribution to your presidential election committee in January 1992. and another thousand in June to the Clinton Core General Election Compliance Fund. I imagine a lot of folks donated $1,000 to your Campaign. Do you have any specific recollection or knowledge of those particular contributions? >> No, I think this is the first time I've ever known that. >> Thank you. That takes us into your time as president. You were elected in November of 1992 and inaugurated in January of 1993. Mr.

Mr. Epstein visited the White House a number of times while you were in office. Our understanding is that Mr. Epstein visited the White House 17 times between 1993 and 1995. I am not going to walk you through each of those visits. I'm just going to break them into categories. I think first with respect to the only Epstein visit where it is publicly known that you either met Mr. Epste or had some interaction was the White House Historical Association reception that you mentioned earlier. I know there's a Photograph that you mentioned of yourself and Mr. Epstein

meeting. Am I right that you have no specific recollection of meeting Mr. Epstein or Miss Maxwell at that event? >> I don't. >> Okay. >> With respect to the other 16 times that Mr. Epste came and went and that spanned 1993 to 1995. Am I right that you have no specific recollection of meeting Mr. Epstein any of those times? >> No, I don't think I did and I don't know who he saw. It's been publicly reported that in March of 1995, there was a fundraiser in Palm Beach that you attended and that Mr. Epstein also

attended. Other guests reportedly included Jimmy Buffett and investor Ron Pearlman, who may have hosted the event at his home. Do you have any specific recollection of that event? I remember going there in 1995. I have now seen the picture with Jeffrey Epstein and Jimmy Buffett. I recognize Jimmy Buffett. He was a longtime friend of mine. He performed for me twice in my second term as president and we were friends for the rest of his life. Uh, but that's it. I I didn't I don't know if he knew Mr. Epstein. I have no idea what that

picture was. I didn't remember it. >> And so is it right that you have no specific recollection of meeting Mr. Epstein? >> No, I don't. at that fundraiser just for the transfer. >> I'd like to introduce as minority exhibit C an article from the Daily Beast titled Jeffrey Epstein visited Clinton White House multiple times in early 90s. That article is dated July 24th, 2019. Once once you receive it, I'll just direct you to page eight Of the article that you're about to receive. >> Okay. D. I'll give you a moment to look that note over

and then I'll read the relevant portion into the record. page eight. >> Oh, good. >> Yep. So you can see here that on April 27th, 1995, Lynn Forester, now Lynn Forester de Rothschild, sounds like Served on a few committees or boards under your administration, wrote you a note. I'll just read part of that note out loud. Dear Mr. President, it was a pleasure to see you recently at Senator Kennedy's house. There was too much to discuss and too little time. Using my 15 seconds of access to discuss Jeffrey Epstein and currency stabilization, I neglected to

talk to you about a topic near and dear to my heart, namely affirmative action and the future. And That's the end of the relevant portion. I just wanted to ask whether you have any specific recollection of this note or of your conversation with Miss Forester. >> I don't. As far as you can remember, at this point in the middle of 1995, how would you have characterized your relationship with Mr. Epstein? >> It would be virtually non-existent. >> Do you recall any other interactions That occurred between yourself and Mr. Epstein during your time in office that

have not already been mentioned today. >> No, I think I think I told you everything I know. >> In October of 1999, toward the end of your time in office, we know that Epstein contributed $20,000 to the first lady's joint fundraising account. Would you have any memory or knowledge of that particular contribution? >> No. Was that for a White House related thing? >> No. Uh joint fundraising. He means the Senate. >> Oh, no. I didn't know that. >> Okay. I am going to move to the years after your presidency. We'll do this in chronological order

as well. Your second term ended in January of 2001. In December of 2001, the New York Post reported that you and Miss Maxwell had Dinner at a New York City restaurant called Nellos. Do you have any specific recollection of that dinner? >> No. Did >> how do I know? I don't nor do I remember the article. So, moving into 2002, uh, you touched on this in the previous round. It sounds like there were there were two meetings. We don't have exact dates for them, but one of them was at Your office in Harlem with Mr.

Epstein. The other was at Mr. Epstein's home in New York City. Could you just repeat for us what do you recall about each meeting? Maybe starting with your office in Harlem. I just remember that sometime in 2002, I think, he paid a visit and you he had become I think it was either after or just before we started the flights, but he obviously was going to be a Serious support of the foundation and I think he played a visit. He I was flattered they wanted to see my office. I liked it. >> And then uh

the meeting at his home in New York City, did I hear you say in the previous hour that Mr. Epstein was not actually there? >> I said that when I wrote my book and talked about it and when I've talked about it in the past, I've always I realize I talk as if He were there and of course he was there. And I started trying to picture the nice man on the staff that showed me around and I couldn't I don't now I'm just being honest I don't remember whether he was there or not. He

could have been there but I don't remember. >> As far as you can recall would the purpose of that meeting also have been related to Mr. Epstein's support of your work through his plane for example? Yeah, the per the reason we went by Regardless of who was there was that my staff had we finished an event in New York City that at a place and you know Lord knows how many I've done since then I don't remember what it was for but it was in New York City and my staff said you know we're only

a couple blocks from Epstein's house it's a converted elementary school. He's very proud of it and I think, you know, it'd be a nice thing to do since it's early. You could just go by and take a Look at it. So, that's what we did. >> Do you recall seeing anything or anyone in his home that was suspicious or reflected abnormally young women or girls? >> No. The only people I saw there that night were staff and him. If he was there, I just don't remember. >> Do you recall seeing any images of uh young

girls or women at Epstein's home? >> No. >> So, moving to some of the travel on Mr. Epstein's plane, and we have specific dates for a lot of that. Uh I'd like to move through that chronology of known trips just one at a time in order to begin. Uh flight logs indicate that on February 9th of 2002 and we'll give you the logs. You flew on Mr. Epstein's plane from Miami to Westchester County, New York with Epstein Maxwell and some others. And you mentioned this flight in The previous round as well. I will introduce that

flight log as minority exhibit D. We'll give you a moment to receive that and take a look at it. >> Is this one page? >> It is one page. Exactly. and the flight in question. Uh the left most column has a number nine on it and you can see your name at the beginning in one of the middle uh columns. >> Excuse me. At the top it says 15. >> Are you talking about a date? Could you Just >> Yeah, the one on February 9th. >> Thank you. >> Sure. Yeah, it I do see it.

>> Great. I'll just ask some specific questions as an initial question and we can see it here. You had a Secret Service detail that traveled with you after you left office presumably still does. Is that correct? >> That's correct. >> And did that detail accompany you on all trips that you took with Mr. Epstein? >> Yes. for this trip from Miami to Westchester. First, just do you recall the circumstances of the trip? >> No, I I was down there and I was coming home. I don't remember why I was down there. >> In terms of

who was present on the flight and and we'll do this exercise with the other trips as well. Are you Able to make out from the initials here maybe who is who? In other words, I can see your name and I can see four secret service and then from there we have two males, one female, I think Mr. Abstein and Miss Maxwell and then SK and AP. Do you have any recollection of who any of those folks may have been? >> No, I just don't want to run. Sorry, I don't. And the and the initials, they

don't mean anything to me. >> This isn't the record from yours. This is their record. >> Yeah. >> In February in 2002, so the same month as this flight, it was reported that you and Miss Maxwell were seated together at some type of charity gala in New York. I don't know what the charity was or where exactly the event occurred. Do you have Any recollection of what I'm referring to? Could you state the date again, sir? >> In the same month, February 2002, and I don't have an exact date. >> What was the report in?

>> Simply that you and Miss Maxwell were seated together at a charity gala in New York. >> Wow. I have no recollection of it, but it could have happened. >> Heading into March of 2002, so the following month, we have a series of International travel. And the first of those trips indicates that on March 19th and 21st of 2002, you flew on Mr. Epstein's plane from JFK to London and back with Mr. Epstein, Miss Maxwell, and some others. We will introduce those flight logs as minority exhibit E and go through the same exercise. Thank you.

>> And that's the 19th and the 21st. >> The 19th and the 21st. >> Yes. >> Down toward the bottom of the page. Does this apply to London? >> Yes. >> Yeah. This says we had 10 Secret Service agents. >> So I guess just to start with, do you recall the circumstances or the reason for this trip? >> And this was when >> this was March of 2002. I don't but keep in mind there was a lot of stuff going on the India four in the late January four days after I left office had a

horrible earthquake and lots of people died and I called the prime minister of India, Mr. Bashi who belongs to the current leaders party but was much less uber nationalist and I asked him if I could help and he said yes. He said I have the money and organization to fix the big Cities but not the smaller towns and we need schools, we need hospitals, we need all the stuff rebuilt. Will you help? So that's the first thing I undertook to do even before the AIDS thing after I left the White House. So I was there.

So by March of 2002, the next year, we were still working on that and then the South Asian tsunami hit in December. So I was doing all this stuff With and also trying to get set up at home too. So that's why I it it sounds unusual for me to have 10 Secret Service agents, but I must have been going to several stops. >> And is it the same for you when you look at some of these names? I can make out the name Naomi Campbell. Do you have any recollection of Naomi Campbell being on

this flight? Naammy would when we went to Europe once I think she went on one. She was a friend of Doug and That's what I remember. Let me see. Yep. And Jeffrey Galain. I don't know who the other people are. >> Looks like Doug Vand is listed there. And that >> Yeah, he's there. But SK, I don't know who that is. Okay, great. Thank you. Moving to May of 2002, just two months after the one we just looked at. Flight logs show a series of flights around Asia. Got five flights including Hong Kong, China, Singapore,

and Thailand. I'll introduce the flight logs for that trip. Just take a look at it together as minority exhibit F. You still need it, right? >> We do. We do need it. Thank you. Oh, great. Thank you very much. And >> you said, >> so those are from the 22nd to the 25th. >> Let me just highlight 22. >> And you're saying each one till the 25th? >> Yeah. So the first one lists the former president and then four in a row after that list same as above. So it's the same group of folks for

about five flights. >> So same question. this trip to Asia. Do you have a recollection of the circumstances how the trip came about? >> Yeah, the two that was 2002, right? >> Yes. >> So, We and and when was the tsunami? Was it at the end of 2002 or the end of 2001? >> That I'm not sure of. But just to the best of your memory, you have to share what you know. Anyway, to the best of my memory, this was a trip to raise funds to organize our health network in Asia, which was basically

designed to deal with AIDS, but also Was I was heavily involved in the reconstruction of India after the earthquake there. and was asked to do it by the prime minister and and later by the UN. So I was involved with that. >> And do you have any recollection of who these individuals on the flight were, for example? There are a few female names. I think one is Janice, one is Jessica. When you look at the log, do You have any recollection of who's who? >> No. She >> may have been a flight attendant. I don't

know. >> Do you have any recollection of the flights themselves? >> This particular flight, >> this group of flights, >> I remember we made several stops and you mentioned them and we're going there, but that's all I remember. To the best Of your recollection, whether with respect to the flights or the trip itself, did you ever witness or become aware of sexual abuse of any kind? >> No. >> We then have logs showing two flights in July of 2002, and I will introduce those as minority exhibit G. Give you a moment to receive those. What

was the prior one? >> Prior one would have been F and that was The May 2002 flight one. >> Where's F? >> No, I put F on that but I thought that was um Sorry. So you're >> Oh, no problem. It should be May 2002. I have as F as in Frank. >> Okay. I'm not sure what this one was. Okay, got it. I'm gonna get the labels later. >> Okay, >> thank you. Sorry about that. >> So, so this one will be G and it's July of 2002, specifically on July 13th. >> Oh, sorry.

Next one, Mr. President. >> I'll give you a moment. >> Does this say where we're going? Yeah, it's on the 13th and these flights are uh from Morocco to Portugal and then Portugal to JFK. And our understanding just from public reporting is that this may have been part of a trip to Morocco to attend the king of Morocco's wedding >> and you're asking him about the legs that he's on. >> Correct. Exactly. >> July of that when his wedding was. >> Sorry. >> Is that when he got married? >> It may have been. And I

think that's my question for you is whether you recall >> that this trip >> I recall going to his wedding. >> Okay. Do you recall approximately when that wedding would have been? >> No, but I was it was a long time ago. I don't know if this was it. But I did go to Morocco more than once >> for the Do you recall attending the king of Morocco's wedding? >> Absolutely I did. >> Do you recall whether Mr. Epstein and Miss Maxwell also attended that wedding. >> I don't I remember I think Chelsea went with

me and uh I remember because My late mother-in-law loved Morocco and Chelsea was there with her once and she wanted to go. So we went and it was really nice. I was very close to the king's father and I I marched in his funeral when he died. And so they had this wedding and we were invited and I very much wanted to go. Hillary was working and didn't go. Chelsea did and I think Huma was with us Too. There's been some reporting reporting that you may have invited Mr. Epstein and Miss Maxwell to the king's

wedding. It sounds like, but please you tell me. Do you have any specific recollection of that? >> I don't I don't remember. >> Do you have any specific recollection of these two flights which may or may not have been part of the king's wedding? There from Morocco to Portugal and Portugal to JFK. Mr. Epstein and Miss Maxwell were on the flights as well as yourself. >> When I was coming home, >> he's just asking you about these two legs and he's asking you, do you have any recollection of these two legs of the flight? >>

No, I I remember the wedding very well and all the stuff that happened, but that's all. I don't remember it coming Or the going. >> Thank you. In September of that year, we have the trip that I think a lot of folks are aware of. This is a trip to Africa in September of 2002. The trip started at JFK, ended in London, stopped in Ghana, Nigeria, Rwanda, Mosmbique, and South Africa. Some high-profile figures were on board, including actor Kevin Spacy and comedian Chris Tucker. as well as Mr. Epstein and Miss Maxwell. I will introduce those

flight logs as minority exhibit H. I'll give you a moment to receive them. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. So, this is a two-sided document and the flights are the bottom half of the first page and one flight at the top of the second page >> starting on the 21st. >> Yes. >> Sure. >> Okay. >> Starting now. I'll just ask you generally before we look at the log specifically. What is your recollection of how this trip to Africa came about? >> Well, this is where most of our work was going to be

done. And what month is this? >> This is I believe September of 2002. So, and the Countries we were going to represent places where we had operations like Mosmbique for example had a big age problem and we were trying to help and there was so that's what I know We in South Africa, we spent quite a bit of time because I wanted to go see Mandela. He was still in good shape then. And we did things together. And then Charlene Hunter, who was one of the black women that integrated the University of Georgia and became

then a very well-known international television commentator for PBS and her husband Ron had moved down to South Africa and they were longtime friends of mine. We had celebrated the 150th birthday of Arkansas together in Little Rock. We were longtime friends. And so we went to Visit them and she threw a big cook out for us and it was a funny time. Chris Tucker and Kevin Spacy imitated me. >> So So a lot of these names on the logs are hard to make out. Do you have any specific recollection of who was on board those flights?

>> Uh, >> he's not asking you to review and try and see if you can read their names. He's asking you what your recollection Is. >> It says Shanti Davis wasn't she work for Jeffrey? >> And I think it was discussed in the previous round, but that well-known photograph of yourself and Miss Davies, >> what is your recollection of the extent of your interactions with Miss Davies on that trip? Where were we? >> Uh, in Africa. >> No, no. Where was the photograph? I >> think it was at the airport. >> Oh, >> on the

way to >> That's it. I mean, we had a good relationship, but it was entirely profit. I never had any personal contact with her if that's what you imply. >> And am I right that while on that trip, whether the trip or the flights, did you ever witness or become aware of sexual abuse of any kind? >> I did not. >> Thank you. Thank you, Mr. President. Thank you. We have a series of questions from some of the members in the minority. Um, and so I'll be calling them up as we as we go through.

Um, and thank you. Just want to again thank you for for being here and and answering all the questions. Uh, we appreciate that and for your service. Um, just two clarifying questions. One that was asked during the Republican hour and I just Want to just have you re reiterate it for the record. Um, either during or after your presidency, were you ever made aware of Jeffrey Epstein having any kind of relationship directly or indirectly with a foreign intelligence agency or service? And I asked because we've received a lot of interest and and communication about that

topic. And so I want to give you a chance to to answer that again if there's any question. No, I wasn't. And I I understood why and when you showed me the passport, but I I wasn't I didn't know anything about that. >> Thank you. And then second, of course, um this deposition also sets uh a pretty new precedent, I think, which is something that we've been discussed and folks in um across the country are discussing as well. We're thankful that you're here. We believe on in the minority that President Trump should also answer this

committee's questions. Uh he's someone that is uh mentioned almost more than any other person beside Galain Maxwell uh in the Epstein documents. Uh and so we to get more information for this investigation was wondering if you also agree that that President Trump should answer questions of this committee. >> That's for you to decide. But he did know him well and I once had a brief discussion with him about it. >> Thank you. Thanks for the answer. With that, I'm going to go to Mr. walk and shop and we'll go down a series of questions. I

I I hate this but because I don't believe I should inject anything but I do not want to leave the impression but since there was no follow-up question he never the president never this is 20ome years ago never said anything to me to make me think he was involved in Anything improper with regard to to Epstein either he he just didn't. He just said we were friends and then we had a falling out over a land deal, property deal. >> That's all. >> Thank you. >> Could I ask very briefly, Mr. President, if you recall,

what were the circumstances of that conversation? Or at least let's start with when did the conversation occur? We were It was on His golf course and there were a couple of years there when Joe Tory who had been the manager of the Yankees and was a friend and had a tournament, a charity of the golf tournament called appropriately for this investigation the Safe at Home Foundation and it was designed to combat domestic violence of which Joe Tory had been a victim as a Child. And so I wanted to support it. And so he then Donald

Trump gave him the golf course in New York to have a tournament on and I played in it a couple times. And the day I was there, he would typically uh Donald Trump would come out and play a few holes with us. And he somehow knew I had flown in Jeffrey Epstein's aircraft. And he said, "You know, we had some great times Together over the years, but we fell out all because of a real estate deal." and he said, "I'm sorry it happened. That's all." >> Do you recall whether President Trump was the first one

to affirmatively bring up the subject of Jeffrey Epstein? >> No, but I'd be shocked if I did. I I just don't do that, you know. >> Do you recall whether President Trump elaborated at all on the great times that he had with Jeffrey Epstein? >> No. And I took at the time I took no I didn't put any, you know, sexual stin on it. >> And as far as you recall, President Trump characterized the nature of the ending of their friendship as being solely due to the real estate. >> That's what he said. >> Thank

you. >> But I didn't think much about it at the time. And you know, it was we it was two minutes and then we were gone. As far as you recall, have you had any other conversations with President Trump related to Jeffrey Epstein or Galain Maxwell? >> No. >> And your best recollection, if you have one, of the year that this conversation occurred, >> be 2002 or 2003. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. President. Good afternoon. Um, I just want to focus Again on Colleen Maxwell. Uh, first I'll ask you just to reiterate, did

you ever at any point during your interactions with Miss Maxwell know about the sexual abuse she committed and facilitated against minors and women? >> No. >> When did you learn that she had engaged in crimes against girls and young women? >> When the first uh evidence came out, when was it in 2019? >> Okay. And have you ever engaged in Sexual activity with a person introduced to you by going >> Max? You're aware that she was convicted of crimes as we discussed and you're aware that she's currently incarcerated as a result of her federal conviction.

>> Yes. >> Maxwell received a 20-year sentence for her crimes. Are you aware that she has repeatedly called on President Trump to grant her clemency and that she has said that you and President Trump are not Guilty of any wrongdoing with respect to Epstein? >> I know that now. Yes. In in your opinion, does she deserve or should she be granted clemency by President Trump? >> I don't think I should comment on that. I I I don't know anything about President Trump other than what I've already told. And I thought That was a mistake to

pardon everybody in the January 6 case. And I I think that this thing was really hard for me when it came out because I you know we had been friendly with Glenn. >> I was sad but it had it was terrible what she did and she has to be punished. Somebody besides me should make a decision on what I did. So she got 20 years and there it is. Okay, Mr. President, on July 24th, 2025, the deputy attorney general and President Trump's former personal attorney, Todd Blanch, conducted a closed-d dooror interview of Miss Maxwell at

her then low security prison on August 1st, 2025. Just a few days after that interview, she was transferred to a lower security p prison where she's afforded a list of amenities, personalized meals, playtime with puppies, uh a transfer that I think most Americans agree is inconsistent with the very serious crime she was convicted of. Do you have any opinion on her transfer to that lower security prison and the amenities she's been granted? Did it seem strange to you when you learned of that? I think you're in a better position to find out what happened than

I am. >> Okay. When you were president of the United States, was it common for your deputy attorney general to directly Conduct interviews of witnesses andor federal inmates? >> Was it you were the >> You have to testify what you know. You recall. >> Yes. He's asking, "Did you ever send a deputy attorney general to >> the best of my knowledge? I did not do that. >> All right. Thank you, Mr. President. >> May I ask a question? Representative Foster, are you still the Youngest person in Congress? >> Yes, I am, Mr. President. >> Lucky

you. >> Hopefully that changes soon. If you're the youngest for too long, it's not good. >> It'll come time. Believe me, I was for most of my life the youngest person doing whatever I was doing. And one day I woke up, I was the oldest man in every room. And I couldn't tell you for the life of me how I got from one place to The other. Time will take care of it. Enjoy it while it last. >> Thank you. Thank you. It's a It's a blessing to be the oldest person in the room as

well. Um, Mr. President, I just wanted to circle back to uh the conversation around the uh the conversation you had with Jeffrey Epste on the golf or with uh uh sorry, Donald Trump on the golf course in New York. >> You know, Donald Trump, President Trump has said publicly multiple times that His falling out with Jeffrey Epstein was the result of him hiring away workers from Mara Lago and uh his crimes. He said that's why he kicked them out of Marilaago. Um you brought up I have two questions about this. Did President Trump specifically characterize

uh the result of this land dispute they had as a falling out specifically to the best? >> Yeah. He said they both wanted a same piece of land. >> Mhm. >> He didn't say what it was and that's all I remember. >> And he said it was a falling out as a result of that. >> Yeah. Said it strained their relationship. >> Do you know when this conversation happened? >> When the conversation I had with him happened? Hm. >> Well, I had to be in 2002 or 2003, I Think. >> 2002 to 2003. All right.

Thank you. Um, during any of your interactions with Jeffrey Epste or Gillian Maxwell, did either of them ever mention or discuss um their relationships or connections with Howard Lutnik? >> No. >> What about uh their relationship or connection with Alex Aosta? >> No. Prior to Jeffrey Epstein's arrest in 2019, did anyone ever speak with you about Epstein's relationship with Howard Lutnik? >> No. >> And what about Alex Aosta? >> Thank you. Those are my questions. >> Good morning, Mr. President. >> Good morning. >> I'm Melanie Stansbury. represent New Mexico's first congressional district and it's an

honor to have you and your council here. Um, this is a very Important investigation and we obviously have a lot of questions and for me personally, this case is all about justice for the victims. And I really appreciated in your opening statements your statement about nobody being above the law, including a president. And I think it's important that we are setting the precedent for Congress, establishing oversight and subpoena power over a president. And I believe Donald Trump should and will ultimately be in front Of this body. And I also appreciate what you said about women

and girls who were abused by Jeffrey Epstein deserving justice and healing. And that's where I'd like to focus my questions. And in particular, I want to focus on three survivors who have shared stories that involve you. So I want to begin with Maria Farmer. Do you know who Maria Farmer is? Maria Farmer was employed by Jeffrey Epstein and abused by him for a number of years. and she first reported Her abuse to the New York uh PD and FBI in 1996. And she states that she has personal knowledge that you visited Jeffrey Epstein's house three

to four times while you were the sitting president between 1995 and 1996. And she says she knows this based on photographs that Golain Maxwell showed to her as well as uh discussions with this staff. So let me ask you, Mr. President, did you visit Jeffrey Epstein's house while you were president? >> I do not remember doing that. I do not believe I did. >> How do you explain this discrepancy? >> Objection calls for him to speculate. >> I can't I can't speculate. I But all I can tell you is I don't remember being there. >>

Okay. U moving on to Virginia Roberts Juy. Are you familiar with her? Mhm. >> Uh, as has already been established, she Has stated in numerous sworn statements, including a sworn deposition in the deposition in the Maxwell trial, that she saw you on the island with Jeffrey Epstein. And in fact, this morning, her family shared her diary with me. And in it is a a quote wherein she writes quote Bill Clinton met two times island with two girls CTG M and J E. What is your reaction to that? >> It's not true. >> Uh >> do

you have any dates associated with that? Were there dates on the diary with >> I don't have I don't have the that information, but we'll be happy to share it with you. >> Terrific because I think there are also records that would reflect where else he would have been. So thanks Did she say that in her book? >> This is from her personal diary that her family shared with us. Yes, >> but the book came out more recently. Did She say that in the book? >> I can't I'm just reading you the entry from her

diary that her family shared with me. >> I think she ultimately reached a different conclusion, although I have no contact for it. >> Okay. Well, um I just want to make sure that it's on the record that that is Virginia Dupre's statement. Um, did you ever fly in a helicopter with Maxine? Uh, with uh >> Galain >> Galain Maxwell >> ever anywhere? I have no idea. >> Okay. Well, uh, at least one of the survivors uh, claims that you flew in a helicopter with Gla Maxwell to the island. >> Did you ever? >> Then I

did not do that. I've never been to that island. >> Okay. Um, the third person I want to Talk about briefly is Shante Davies. I know we've already u mentioned her here today. I know you've already mentioned that she was listed as a flight attendant on the um trip to South Africa in 2002 that you took with Jeffrey Epstein. Are you aware that Shantae Davies is a survivor who claims she was abused for three years, including during that time period? I am now. >> And are you aware that Jeffrey Epstein Recruited his victims through calling

them massuses? >> No. >> You're not aware that Jeffrey >> It doesn't surprise me. I mean, I didn't but I didn't know that. No. Knowing that Jeffrey Epstein recruited hundreds of minors as masseuses to massage him and knowing that this victim who was a survivor 3 years of his sexual abuse as a masseuse was on the plane. Does that make you think about the Massage you receive from her differently? >> Can I just interrupt? You're saying knowing you know that he was saying that he was unaware that that's how Mr. Epstein was recruiting his individuals.

I'm asking if today hearing this. >> Have you seen the picture? >> I have a copy of it right here. Yes. >> Well, I'm setting up the >> I'm just asking if it make if you if now that you know that that Jeffrey Epstein Recruited girls as masseuses, does that reframe that photograph and knowing that there were girls on the plane that were being abused? >> It states facts not in the record. You can ask this witness what he thinks or remembers about anything that happened, but I don't think it's right to ask him to

speculate. >> She wants to know if I feel bad about it. Yes. >> I'm not I think what I'm trying to get At is that there is a culture that surrounded Jeffrey Epstein in which rich and powerful people saw young women that were survivors who were being abused and didn't say anything and didn't do anything. And so part of what I'm hold on part of what I'm trying to do is to to ask you we know there was a survivor that was on the plane. You've stated that you didn't know she was a survivor. I

understand that. But I'm asking now that we are now that you are aware that Epstein was recruiting survivors as massuses. Does this make you rethink what you saw as you were traveling and uh interacting with him? >> So he has already spoken to Wait a minute. Wait a I want to make sure that you are clearly answering her question. He's already stated what he saw and what he knew. And so what you're now asking him is given what you've now shared with him, does he think any differently about what he saw and what he knew?

Thank you. >> Yes. Thank you. >> I wish Shante had told me. I liked her. >> But I didn't think it was anything unusual. I can't tell you how many airplanes I've been on where rich people asked me to go and they had someone offering massage. All these boats that you go on and all that, they all do that. And usually I don't do that. I'm not into this. >> Well, that certainly raises some other Questions about people offering free massages on boats, etc. But, uh, I do want to enter a couple of exhibits into

the record. Um, and I know council is prepared to pass them out. And while that is occurring, uh, we're going to introduce this exhibit. What is it? Exhibit I. It'll be minority exhibit I, which is a FBI PowerPoint that was included in the um in the files that were released as part of the Epstein Files Transparency Act. And then We will I would like to introduce this exhibit which is exhibit J which is uh a internal correspondence emails between the FBI and though I'm short on time what I'll describe in both these exhibits is that

your name appears in FBI tip sheets um as having attended parties in Jeffrey Epstein's presence in which sexual activities were occurring. Did you ever attend a party of any kind or an event with Jeffrey Epstein in which sexual activities occurred? >> Okay. And then finally, there will be many millions of people that watch this deposition. What would you like to say to the survivors directly? >> That I hope this will produce a sense of finality and I don't think that'll happen till the government stops holding on to all the records. I think that, you know,

the record should be released and then I think that we need to come up With strategies to help people who can't get over this get better. But and the most important thing we do, I think besides treat the victims right, is increase the guard rails that will set off alarm systems and stop other people from doing the same thing that Steve did. Thank you very much, Mr. President. Thank you. >> We had an additional member uh join us in the interim. Could that member just Identify themselves? >> Absolutely. Hello, Mr. President. My name is Nick

Lang. I represent New York's 23rd Congressional District, Buffalo Suburbs, rural southern tier. Thank you for being here today. >> Could just for the record with time check. >> We've got about five minutes left in this round. >> Thank you so much. >> Congressman, how are you? Thank you, Mr. President. Thank you for being here and for your time today. Thank you for your service. Uh we have um as you know in the files that were released, there were several photos included you and u we have an exhibit here. That's just one of the photos and

um >> exhibit K, minority exhibit K. >> Yep. >> And uh and we'll we'll have that passed around. And what we're trying to get out is some context for the public on Whether you remember this photo uh and any details you may be able to provide us about it. So, do you recall the details of this photo or recall the photo being taken? >> No, I don't think I ever knew the photo was taken. >> Okay. And and um for those who can't see it, it's a photo of you in a hot tub. There's a

person next to you here. Um do you remember where it was taken? Is it where was it taken? >> I'm almost sure that this t and I think there's an adjacent photograph which you probably have that if people saw it they would feel that someone was trying to calm them show them this picture. But anyway, this picture was taken uh in Brunai and we flew one night on a trip to Asia, the last very long leg. >> He said we is it who who is that including? >> Well, my toll team that was working >>

Thank you. on the AIDS issue and and Mr. Epstein was there and Miss Maxwell. But anyway, we got to the end of the end of the flight was Bunai. It's a tiny place, but a very wealthy one. And the Sultan of Bunai was a man that I had gotten to know well in my eight years as president. And he his first involvement with international matters was basically to join the Asian-Pacific Economic Leaders Conference which I started and which he attended and so and then he was very proud of that and he hosted his time came

to host it. You know you do these things in a rotation and it came at the either at the very end of my term or maybe in the next year. Anyway, he wanted when he knew I was coming and He said he wanted to help me with the my AIDS initiative and he invited me to stay there and he said, "I want you to stay at this hotel and I hope you'll use the the pool." So, I did and then I got out and went to bed exhausted. >> Just for the record, there's another picture

that also shows this as part of the larger pool area. Do you all have that? so that he can refresh his recollection with respect to that. >> You should have it. It's it's quite enlightening if you watch this. >> Yes, it's noted. >> It'll give you a different feel. >> Thank you. >> Okay. >> We do have We don't have with us right now. >> Okay. We do. >> Thanks. I just wanted to make sure he knew the >> So, I just Were there other people in That pool or hot tub with you as well?

>> I don't think there was anybody in the hot tub. I don't even I had forgotten that there was anybody in the hot tub, but it was big, but it was about Well, there's he's asking in the pool area. It >> appears there's a this photo there's a girl over here. Is there someone? >> Yeah, I don't know who that is. >> He's also asking in the pool area. Were there other individuals? >> I don't know who that is. >> Okay. So, you don't know. >> No. And then then there were other people in the

pool. >> Okay. So, do you remember who were they under 18? Would you? >> No. >> Were they part of your traveling party? He's asking you. >> Yes, they were. I think I think everybody there was part of our party. It was late at night and I a late I also believe that there was a secret service agent there at the other end of the pool. >> Okay. And was this in public? No, it was a hotel room and it the Sultan wanted us to stay there and the whole the water this big pool was

on the same floor that there were several suites and I so we went out. I swam around. I sat in the hot tub for five minutes or whatever it was and I got up and went to bed. >> And then I have to ask this, did you engage in any sexual activities with this person? >> Thank you. And that ends this round and we can go off the record. >> All right, we'll go back on the record. >> Thank you for that. I appreciate it. >> Yep. >> Ready to go? >> Yep. We'll start with

>> Wonderful. Hello, Mr. President. How are You? >> Good. Thank you so much for being here with us >> for being horse. >> Oh, you're you're fine, Mr. President. Um, Mr. President, um, I want to make my questions as quick and as painless as possible so we can move on with the day and and hopefully not keep you here for too long. Um, first question I have for you, Mr. President. Uh, have you ever lied under in a deposition? >> No. >> Have you ever lied while under oath? >> No. >> Thank you. Were you

uh personally aware that Jeffrey Epstein visited the White House 17 times during your presidency? >> At the time it happened? >> Yes. >> No. At the time it happened, I was not. >> Do you know? Uh so Jeffrey Epste never asked to meet with you personally in the White House while you were president during those 17 visits? >> Not to my knowledge. >> Uh would you know who he was meeting with? >> No. Okay. Well, >> didn't know he was coming. >> Uh, is is that standard protocol for the president to not know um of

someone who is attending uh uh visiting the White House 17 times? >> So, wait, excuse me. Just to be clear, While you were president, >> the White House office, which has 1,600 employees. You're speaking of the White House office. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> No, I I think that most presidents don't have a clue who's coming in every day unless it's somebody of personal interest to the president. Uh, yes. And and you did have a um familiar relationship with Jeffrey Epste, Correct? >> No, I didn't. I hadn't I wasn't aware I'd ever met him when

he was when I was president. >> When you while you were president? Uh, we are trying to establish if Jeffrey Epstein was a foreign or potentially even a domestic asset of some kind. Um, do you have any reason to believe that he was trying to uh seek access to classified materials, intelligence reports, or sensitive government Information? >> No, I I knew nothing about this story until it came up. I was glad to see that picture of the >> Yes. And Mr. President, sorry to interrupt you, Mr. President. Um, since knowing Jeffrey Epstein and knowing that

he had visited the White House, um, was were there any conversations from your associates, any White House staff or anyone familiar with the meetings that said he was seeking uh, detailed Information about government relationships? >> Does that question relate to back in the day or now? When what's the time of the question? I'm asking since you have been aware any time since after you are aware that Jeffrey Epstein visited the White House 17 times, has there been any conversations with anyone that you are aware of that um Jeffrey Epstein was seeking sensitive government information? >>

It hasn't to the best of your recollection. >> To the best of my knowledge, no. >> Yes, sir. Um thank you. And um moving on. Um, at any time while you were traveling on any aircraft owned, leased, or otherwise affiliated with Jeffrey Epstein, did you engage in sexual relations or sexual activities with anyone other than your wife? >> No. >> During any such flight, did you witness Or have knowledge of any other individual engaging in sexual activities with any female passengers? >> No. In 2002, you participated in a 10-day multi-country trip to Africa while traveling

on a Boeing 727 owned by Mr. Jeffrey Epstein. This trip was organized by Delane Maxwell. Do you recall this trip, Mr. President? >> I recall the trip, but I don't know that it was organized by Delane Maxwell. >> Yes, sir. >> I believe we were going places that I needed to go for my work in Africa. >> Yes, sir. Uh internal FBI records described the aircraft as having a section with couches adjacent to which uh a sliding glass door leading to another compartment. Uh there was a bed. Are you familiar with the layout of this

aircraft that you traveled on? >> I'm familiar with the fact that there Was a bench that turned into a bed at the end of the passenger seats >> and um and no other bed you are familiar with. Did you did you ever um go into any part of the aircraft with a bed that you perhaps lied on or utilized? >> I'm familiar with the with the bench. >> Yes. >> It turned into the bed. >> Yes. >> I do not believe I ever went into the back section. Um and uh at any time While traveling

on um such aircraft, do you um remember utilizing either the bench um that laid I'll I'll keep it as one option for now. Do you remember utilizing the bench the bench as a bed? Was it laid out as a bed? >> You remember? >> I don't remember, but that doesn't mean I didn't. I'm familiar with the note. >> Yes, sir. Uh FBI internal rec records relay testimony from Dr. Greg Bledsoe who participated on the 2002 Africa Trip. Did Dr. Bledsoe describe multiple millionaires? Um Dr. Bledsoe does describe multiple millionaires and billionaires on the plane. Uh

do you remember any of the names of those individuals? Um potentially even um the actor Kevin Spacy. >> Yeah, Kevin was on the plane. >> Did Dr. Bledsoe also describe um he also describes multiple young women were present on the flight and that Maxwell appeared to be in a position over the Girls on the plane and was directing the girls. Can you describe the purpose of these women participating in this multi-count form of the question? You have no objection to you asking the president what he saw, observed, heard, but he can't possibly speak to what

Maxwell was in her mind. Did you witness, Mr. President, Miss Maxwell uh appearing to be in the position over other girls on the plane and possibly directing the girls? >> Well, I thought that she was Epstein's top aid and that she was basically in charge of what happened. >> What did happen, Mr. President? >> I don't know. I mean, I didn't I've already told you this. I'll tell again. I never saw anybody do anything wrong. I thought they were flight attendants. >> Do flight attendants typically wear tank tops and jeans? >> They don't all wear

uniforms on private Planes. >> Yes, sir. Um most are dressed probably pretty business class. Um but um moving on, >> his testimony was with respect to private aircraft, people are not wearing uniforms. Correct. >> Um, Dr. Bledsoe described at least one of the girls uh serving as a masseuse. Uh, at any point did you or other male Passengers receive a massage from this young woman or any other young women who are described as a masseuse? Well, I've seen one picture that shows that in a airport waiting area, one of the women was rubbing was massaging

my neck. That's all I've seen. >> Have you received um more than one massage from these trips uh with Mr. Epstein and the young girls that were present? I don't recall them, but I I The problem I remember from that trip was that my neck had spasmmed and I was in and so they offered to help and I let them help one. >> She asked whether or not you recalled any other massage. >> No, I do not. >> Thank you. Um and Mr. President, u moving on to uh my next question. Um, submitted to the

record, um, we have a painting, um, that seems to be of you, Mr. President, found in one of Jeffrey Epstein's residences wearing a, um, I would categorize it as a famous blue dress worn by uh, White House, the White House intern Monica Lewinsky. Um, and I have this image here. This image is being passed around. If we need to go off the record while we do that, we can. I can take a I can take a picture. >> Um, so >> do you have a question? >> It will be marked as majority exhibit 15. Proceed.

>> Thank you. >> Um, so Mr. Mr. President, um, we are looking at an image of a portrait um that is uh looks to be you, Mr. President, um, in this blue dress. Uh, can you describe this painting? And >> he doesn't need to describe the painting. You just gave him a picture. What's your question? My question is, are you familiar with this painting? Have you ever seen it in person? >> I've never seen it in person. >> Do you know why someone would paint this? >> Are you asking? >> Objection. That's that's calls for

speculation. You can ask the artist. >> And if I had known Jeffrey Epstein had this painting would have saved me this whole day. >> Did you ever introduce Epstein to Monica Lewinsky or any other young female White House staffers? >> I did not. Did Epstein ever request introductions to um young female intern staffers of you? Did he request you to introduce them? >> Um and one regarding this um exhibit uh exhibit 15, this portrait to the right of this image. Um there appears to be a plain letterhead document that is framed in a gold frame.

Uh do are you familiar with >> So he's testified that he's not seen this picture. >> The the painting we asked. Yes. And now I'm asking about the image next to it. So >> are you asking whether or not he's familiar with what's in this small frame? >> I'm I'm the part that you have covered up. I'm asking if he's familiar with this letter head um letter that was >> head this part of the painting. >> No sir, this is next to the painting and it's framed on the wall in the home of Jeffrey Epstein.

Um, I I guess a a better way to ask, other than the birthday note that was passed around here today for Jeffrey Epstein's 50th birthday, Mr. President, did you ever hand write Jeffrey Epstein any other notes? Well, I I wouldn't remember except that I've seen a picture recently of another note where I thank him for getting me away from the crowd on the airplane for a while so I could take a Note nap. >> Yes m Okay, Mr. President, I just have two more questions for you and then I will let you go. And again,

I'm so grateful for your time here today. Um we also have um another exhibit um from uh the committee and it's page 49 I believe and the uh how do you want to classify this one? >> It will be marked as majority exhibit 16 >> um in this this is um a portion of Virginia um Juay and um her testimony And in it she is referencing you Mr. president and um says he Mr. Clinton um told me long ago that everyone owes him favors. They are all in each other's pockets. She's asked um I'm sorry,

maybe that wasn't you that you was referencing Clinton. Um I'll start over. He told me long ago that everyone owes him favors. I believe that's referring to Mr. Epstein. They're all in each other's pockets. >> Sorry. Could you show What line are you Starting at? >> Yes, ma'am. I am starting at um the first line and I do believe I incorrectly said that that she was referencing Mr. Clinton. Um, so to correct that, >> she's not representing President Clinton. She's referencing instead. >> Um, I believe this is Jeffrey Epste that she is referencing here. >>

Thank you, Miss Bob. >> Thank you. Um, and then she's asked, would you would you say you asked him why Bill Clinton here was here? Um, and Virginia responds on the island. Uh, wh uh where he was here on the island. Um, and she goes on to say, um, >> excuse me, can you clarify who JS is? >> Can we can we look and see who JS is? >> It says V and then it says JS. So, is this >> I will get I will get you that name, >> but this is a conversation between

two People or is this a transcript of a deposition? >> This is a transcript of a deposition. Yes. >> Thank you so much. >> It says telecon at the top. Doesn't appear to be a deposition. >> It says, >> what do we have this as? This is a work document. >> I'm not objecting. >> No, that's fine. And we could go off the Record if you want. Um, just to get this >> I don't have this. >> So, this is Go ahead. >> We'll go off the record. >> We can go back on the record.

>> Thank you very much. And uh, this is a long dialogue uh, between Mr. Jack Scarola and Virginia Juay. And I will summarize this. Um it is mentioned by uh Virginia um that everyone owes him um presumably Jeff Jeffrey Epstein here favors. Mr. President, were you ever um In the position to owe Jeffrey Epstein a favor? >> I didn't consider that. I thought we had an understanding about the airplanes that he would let me use the airplane to set up my aids programs around the world if I agreed to talk to him for an hour

about economics and politics on every long leg. I kept my word and he seemed to honor his. >> Were there any um sensitive government Topics ever discussed in those conversations? And also here um did the court reporter get his response? Thank you so much. >> Thank you. Sorry, I'll I'll try not to talk over you wrapping up here. Um Virginia Duprey is also asked in this document. Um >> the same one you handed us. >> Yes, ma'am. >> So we should be looking at it. >> Um this is 1 2 3 4 5 6 7

eight lines Down. Um JS is speaking. Were sexual orgies a regular occurrence on the island at Jeffrey's house? Yes. My question, Mr. President, were you ever aware or engaged in any of these sexual orgies? >> Are these on the island where he's testified that he's not on the island? >> I was never on the island. >> Were you ever um on any island in uh in the Virgin Islands >> to travel for a trip with his wife, Which is on the public record. I'm sorry. >> Jeffrey? >> No. >> You were never in the Virginia

Islands. Virgin Islands with Jeffrey Epste. No. >> Okay. Thank you. Um, Mr. President, uh, there's been new information that has come out regarding, uh, the, uh, autopsy of Mr. Epste. Um, I would just like to ask you personally and directly. Do you believe that Jeffrey Epstein killed Himself? >> Are you asking him to speculate on how Mr. Epstein died? >> I I am asking what M the president thinks of. >> So, you're asking his opinion, >> Mr. President, was your was your friend Jeffrey Epste. >> Are you classifying him as a friend who he has

testified that he was friendly? >> A friend in a letter. He said he was friendly but not you've asked for his Testimony. >> Mr. President, do you believe that Jeffrey Epste was suicidal? >> Do you know? >> Was he ever suicidal? >> Best of your understand. >> I don't know. I only know what the medical finding was. >> I think maybe >> that's it. >> He finally got caught and I don't know. I've I've accepted it in my own mind. I Don't know what happened. >> Mr. President, what did you accept? That he killed himself

or that he did not? that he did, but I don't know. >> Yes, sir. Thank you. >> Neither do you. We don't. None of us know. We weren't there. >> Mr. President, it's been an honor. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Mr. President, in the previous hour, you discussed your Relationship with Miss Maxwell, and I have a few general follow-up questions, and I may make may make you repeat yourself, but I'll try hard to not ask you questions you've already answered. First, can you characterize your relationship with Miss Maxwell after your presidency? Well, I didn't

to the best of my memory, I didn't see her very much until she started I started flying on Mr. Epstein's Airplane. >> And for the record, would you at any time ever consider her to be a friend? >> Oh, yes, I would. >> What years would you consider her to be a friend? I don't know what when when she started going with dead weight, I saw her more frequently >> because I saw him more frequently. Then she was around CGI. So I was I if you compare the time I spent with her to the time

I spent with Mr. Max, Mr. Epstein, I spent more time and I felt that we were better friends. How did you typically communicate with Miss Maxwell? >> When we were she showed up at something that I was doing or vice vers >> So in person >> at CGI? Yeah. >> I bet I never talked to her on the phone more than twice in my life. >> And what were the nature of your communications with Miss Maxwell? Uh, >> what your call? I >> I don't recall anything. I don't recall what they were, but she was

always, you know, I don't know. She was very interested in CGI. I remember that. And that's it. >> And for the record, Mr. President, did you ever have any communications with Miss Maxwell related to young women or girls? >> No. At this time, I'd like to introduce will be marked as majority exhibit 17. And while it's being handed out, I will note for the record that this is the transcript from the two-day Gain Maxwell interview with Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanch conducted by the Department of Justice on July 24th and 25th of 2025. And I

will not be making you read the entire transcript. I will direct your attention when you've had a chance. >> Okay. >> Um, Mr. President, have you seen this transcript >> prior to prior to? >> Yes. >> No. >> I'd like to direct your attention to day one and we are looking specifically at the bottom of page nine. >> Yep. >> No, we we need a copy down here. Do >> we have a second copy and a third copy? Give me one second. Thank you so much for the record briefly. We will go back on the

record. >> Yep. >> During Miss Maxwell's interview, she stated that President Clinton was her friend, not Epstein's friend. Is that accurate? >> I would I'd say that it was accurate to say that I felt closer to her than him. >> And for the record, why was that? because I had seen her more and because She was very good friends with Elyn Rothschild and his wife Lyn whom I knew and was in regular touch with >> and >> just want to make sure you're you're reading the right section. She characterized your relationship >> with her as

warmer. >> Yes. Would you >> would you agree with that? >> Warmer than with Jeffrey Epstein. >> Correct. >> Oh, yes. But it was not in any way sexual. >> At this time, I'd like to direct your attention to day two of the transcript. And now we are looking at the bottom of page 12. And it is page >> I see it >> 258 and 259. >> Wait, pardon me. Sorry, I'm not with you. Bottom of page 12 says 42 to 45 >> of day two. >> Oh, sorry. I apologize. >> Okay. Day two, page

12. >> Mhm. Yes. >> Page 252, 257, 260. >> 258 and 259. >> Okay, got it. Can you hold one second? Can you wait? What do you have? >> 258 259. >> Correct. >> Got it. Are you asking us to read that? >> Yes. >> All of 258 and all of 259. >> Correct. Okay. Is there part of this you want me to read? >> No. He has a question. He wants to make sure you read through here and you read through here. >> Okay. He's asking about these two. You read them. This and this.

No, you don't have to Read the other part yet. Okay. >> Yes. >> Got it. Mr. President, you've had a chance to review the transcript here. Blanch asks Maxwell if she has ever visited your home in Chapua, to which Maxwell testifies that she had been invited to visit your home. For the record, did Miss Maxwell ever visit your home in Chapua? It wasn't. >> Excuse me, council. The the transcript says, "I went to the house." Does it say invited? Did I miss that? >> Maxwell replies after Blanch asks, "Why did you go to the house?"

Maxwell says, "I was invited." >> Got it. >> I will repeat the question again. Did Miss Maxwell ever visit your home in Chapaqua? >> I don't recall, but it's quite possible she did. We had Hillary was a senator. In the beginning, she had a lot of advents there and we knew we knew her. During the same exchange, Miss Maxwell implies that she may have been just driving past Chapqua and stopped in if you were home. Did this ever occur? If you don't, >> not that I remember, but I may not have been home. But Mr.

President, is it common for people to just stop by your house? >> No. >> For the record, >> one or two people who would do that. >> So, for the record, you're a former president. Does your security detail allow people to show up unannounced? >> Well, they allow them to, but they don't. Your question is whether or not the security allows them in. >> Yeah. you know, they have to be clear to Be able to come and go. >> Thank you. >> Like that. >> Thank you, Mr. President. Um, I want to ask about Doug

Band and um >> Okay. >> to to what was Doug Band's relationship with you, sir? Well, it changed over time, but he was basically uh the last in a long line of young men. They were my sort of body people. They Were close to me and supposed to get me where I was trying to go on time and all of that. And then after he and another young man, Justin Cooper, wanted to come with me when I left the White House. You know, when you leave the White House, they give you you get I don't

know a certain allocation for staff and I think there are nine positions you can put on federal health Insurance. I think that's right. But anyway, Doug and Justin were two of them. >> So, say he was pretty close. >> What? >> You were pretty close. >> We were close. And Justin wrote my book with me and he did all the, you know, the clerical work. And >> Doug was the our main fundraiser when we started off. >> Okay. Um, I'd like to introduce majority exhibit, I believe it would be 18. um which is the EFTA

02332287. >> Thank you very much. >> So this is pretty short. Um, this is an email from Doug Band to >> Yep. I'm familiar with it. >> To GMAX, which is commonly known as Glenn Maxwell. >> Yep. >> Um, it says, "For the record, um, the email states you back. Another way to Get in touch with me quicker is on my Blackberry, actually the president's, but we share it." Um, the email that's listed there, D WJC, is that your email address or was that your email address? practically no. That is I never sent one email

on it. >> But you recognize that. >> I I recognize it and I think Doug thought it would increase his what would have cache if he had an email With WAC on it and >> but he's asking you is this your email Mr. President? >> No, I didn't send I didn't send or emails on it. >> Did you share a Blackberry with Mr. Band? Well, he says we did, but I think I had I finally got another at Blackberry. >> But this was back before. Okay. Sorry, Mr. President. This is back in think of the

year. Look at the year. So, you make Sure you're answering the question. >> 2001. >> Did you have a phone in 200 Did you have He's asking you, was this your Blackberry or did you share this Blackberry with him? >> Well, I've been out of office then nine months. >> Did you have a phone, Mr. President? >> I don't think I did. I don't. Anyway, I but the truth is I don't remember. I just know >> that's a >> that I did not email. >> Okay. How So you did not email. How often do you

did you do you send emails >> or did you send emails? >> Have you ever sent an email, Mr. President? >> I sent one in email to John Glenn, Senator John Glenn, when he was in space at age 77. And I sent an email to the men and women aboard a US ship. in the Adriatic during The >> Kosovo >> Kosovo war. >> Have you sent any other emails, Mr. President? He's asked >> since then. I'm not sure I've sent one. >> Okay. Um, I'd like to introduce majority exhibit number 19. >> Makes me a

certified >> which ends in 2335030. >> Yeah. want to go and see. >> Okay, if you're ready, I'll I'll be happy to read it out loud. It's again, it's from GMAX Gain Maxwell. Yeah, I read it. We believe well it's redacted. We having seen the unredacted files. We believe that the the two is is to the same email. It says, "Sorry to hear about the Bellsburg stuff is bad news. Even worse that it may be damaging. You know that one of one of my pet fears is that in London I I impress toxic. So I

hope that I never add to your woes in That department. If I hear anything, I will of course let you know. I could not help myself. There was one juicy little bit tidbit I did let out. The one about what a super stud that you are and how I have a crush on you and how you are hung like a horse. And well, you get the picture. Hope you don't mind. Um, are you are you familiar with with this email? >> Are you saying at the time it was sent Or in the preparation for this

>> in at the time that it was sent? Were you familiar with it? >> Oh, no. >> Are you familiar with it before? >> It's now famous. >> Okay. What can you tell me about your knowledge of this email? >> So, his if his knowledge is only from when he was prepared for this hearing, that would have been with his counsel. Is that what you're are you asking for Outside of any preparation for this? >> Mr. President, do you believe that Mr. Mr. Ban sent this or received this email? >> I do. >> Okay. Um,

so and I could there's more. Let me let me go to the next one. Um, exhibit which would be number 20. >> And the answer is I >> there's no question at the time. I would just ask you to clarify whether or not You're asking if he knows about these emails at the time they were sent or if you're asking whether or not he came to learn about them in the course of preparation just so that distinction in time is clear. >> Okay. >> Believe this email is also very short. It's just the at the

top again. It's from the WJC email. Same one. And two, it says, "This email is silly. I want to spank bottoms tonight." >> Who's it from? >> It it is it's from the the same email account, the same email that has been used before, the WJC email. Um, what was your knowledge of Mr. B's relationship with Gain Maxwell? I knew he was basically he contacted her in the same way that that she represented Epstein on things. I I I did not know nor did I need to know that they had a personal relationship, >> a

physical relationship. >> Are you are you asking him whether or not they had a phys physical relationship? >> You believe they had a physical relationship? >> I don't know for sure. And just to be clear, you said it, but you did not have a physical relationship with Glenn Maxwell. >> The president's answered that question multiple times. >> Thank you. >> Okay. And then and finally, I want to move on to another question regarding the visits to the White House. Are you familiar with Mark Middleton? >> Yes. >> Can you describe who Mark Middleton was? He

was a young man from Arkansas who was really ambitious, wanted to go to work in Washington, wanted to have, you know, And he knew M. McCclardy, my chief of staff, who was from Little Rock, and Bruce Lindseay, who was also from Little Rock, and he worked with us. And then later I think he became I don't know but maybe he became a lobbyist later but there was a period of time when he was in a position to wave people in to the White House because he was that that was one of his jobs. >> Okay.

Um, so he he was has been identified by multiple news sources to be the individual that most of the time was entering or signing in Jeffrey Epstein into the White House. >> Yes. >> And and what role did he have specifically at that time? He was working and you know on logistical things in the White House but there must have been someone else who he Told him to let him in. Maybe Mark had the I don't know if he had the authority to let people in. >> You can only testify to what you know. He's

asking who did Mark Middleton work for in the White House. >> I don't know the answer to that. Okay, I can find that. But I >> So you So knowing that he met with Mark Middleton or was signed in with Mark Middleton, do you do you have any knowledge of the content of the meetings Or the topics of the meetings that Mr. Epstein would be coming for? >> No, I never M never said anything to me about meeting with him. >> And by Mac, do you mean Matt McClardy, the chief of staff? Did he work

for M. Mccclardy? Well, he might have been, but at the time, was this at the beginning of my presidency or the end? >> This would have Well, this would have been during the time during the 90s at The beginning when >> 1993 to 1995 is what they provided before time for the visits. >> But he was my first chief of staff and then he became my special envoy to Latin America. So, >> and this is M. McCclardy. >> Matt McCclardy. So, >> okay. It depends on Well, we could tell what he was doing if we

knew when this happened. >> Okay. Um, are you aware that Mr. Middleton committed suicide? >> Yes, I am. >> In 2022, >> um, he was found dead at Hefner Ranch, um, approximately 30 miles from his home in Little Rock. He was discovered hanging from a tree by an extension cord around his neck with a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the chest. Uh so he was shot and hung. Um do you um with what do you have any any information that leads you to suspect That he was that he did not that he did something other than

commit suicide? >> No. >> Okay. Do you have any concerns that he that this was in relation to his knowledge or relationship with Jeffrey Epstein given the date? >> But the president has already testified to the fact that he was unaware that Mr. Epste was visiting the White House. So are you asking him then as to what he would have known? >> I'm asking when you heard about the death knowing about the things that have been you know at this point it's all over the news seeing that he has committed suicide. Have you ever have

you ever had any conversations with people about whether or not this that there's any relationship between the two? >> Oh, no. No one's ever suggested it to me. >> Okay. Thank you. I yield back. >> Next steps, Mr. >> It's really sad. >> Mr. Maguire from Virginia, >> he represents UVA. >> What? >> He represents UVA. UVA >> who represents UVA. >> Thank you, Mr. President, for being here. I served in Navy special warfare during your presidency. >> Thank you. >> In your opening statement, you talked about um preventing future or more human trafficking in

our country. And I agree with that. I think that's one of the big purposes of being here. Uh today, we hope we can get justice for the victims, have accountability and transparency. Just curious, have you read the Epstein files that have been released? >> No, I've read the many news stories about them, but I haven't read them all. >> And how many Epstein files do you recall were released during the Biden administration? >> I don't know. >> How many? >> If you know, >> I don't know. >> Zero. And how many Epstein files have been

released during President Trump's second term? again if you know >> thanks to the Congress and the victims quite a number >> over three million >> now as a as president you're chief of executive for the US and u as we get to the end of this I'm going to ask you what could we do to prevent because I think that's what we all care about is what do we do to prevent more human trafficking type stuff um so let's talk about Kevin Spacy for a second in a June 2024 interview with Piers Morgan Kevin Spacy

recounted noticing young girls on the flight and expressed he didn't want To be around this guy Epstein because I felt he put the president at risk on that trip to South Africa because there were these young girls. So did Mr. Spacy ever communicate these concerns to you directly? >> Not that I recall. No. >> Did anyone else express similar concerns about these young people? >> No. >> Do you agree with Mr. Spacy's characterization that these young girls On the flight were concerned? >> I'm sorry. What exactly is the characterization that Mr. Spacy gave >> that

these young girls would put the president at risk? >> So that's Mr. Spacy's concern and you're asking him whether or not Mr. Spacey said that shared that with him? >> Would he? Yes. Would he agree with that? >> I had no reason to believe that at the time. >> Okay. Um, did you ever feel Uncomfortable due to the presence of young girls on any of these flights? >> When you say young girls, do you mean women who are younger than 18? And so you're saying there were women younger than 18? >> I'm asking. >> Yeah,

if you can ask that question. >> Were there anybody on the flight said you can recall under age 18? >> To the best of my knowledge, there was not. If there was, and I knew it, I Would be uncomfortable. >> That answered. All right. Did you ever speak with or otherwise engage with uh Well, I think you just answered young girls on these flights. So, I'll move on. Uh Ron Burkel, do you know him? >> I do. >> All right. Um, Ron Burkel commented on the Epstein is creepy. I would like to introduce uh majority

exhibit which >> 21 majority exhibit 21 page five the Paragraph at the top of the page the last sentence. If you would take a look at that. >> Could you say what page again? >> Sure. It's page five. Uh the paragraph at the top the last sentence. If you can give us a minute to read it, that'd be great. No. Page five. >> Top paragraph. This >> paragraph. and more specifically the last sentence Of the top paragraph. >> Yeah, I didn't know about this. >> So, um the question would be this. I understand you didn't

know anything about it, but let me ask the question. Um, you have no memory of this occurrence. Correct. >> Excuse me. Are you talking about Ron Burkel saying to the president? >> Let me read the whole thing. Let me read the whole thing. >> You didn't actually say. It doesn't say That. >> Sources close to Burkel says he was invited by Clinton um assumed the rod was vetted and flew home on a commercial jet after finding Epste to be creepy. It appears if he saw that and he flew home early. Would that be that is

may do you have any memory of this occurring? >> I don't. >> Um, why do you think Mr. Ber would think Epstein is creepy. >> Speculative. He can't know what >> I don't know. Some people thought I shouldn't fly with him. >> Did you witness anything unusual with Epstein that would lead you to believe that Epstein was creepy? >> No, I never saw him do anything that I was suspicious. >> Do you do you and you don't recall Mr. Burville leaving the trip early to fly home commercially after? >> I don't know. >> Yeah, I'm

surprised I don't know that. Sure. So, who else in your circle, because one of the concerns I have is how did someone who is convicted of trafficking humans, how did he infiltrate the highest level of government, if we could get to an idea or a lesson learned, we could prevent that from happening again, who in your circle while you were president or after in the Clinton um foundation, who else do you think we should question here? >> Can I just clarify one thing? You said who had been convicted? He wasn't convicted at the time. >>

Epstein. >> Yes. >> No, I'm talking afterwards. So, so people that were associated with him because >> after he was convicted, >> the one of the questions would be is why do you think Epstein visited the White House so much? >> So, he was convicted in 200 what eight >> I believe. So, I believe >> he visited the White House in the 90s. So, I'm just trying to make sure you you're not speaking to before he was convicted. You're talking about after he was convicted. >> So, let me go back. So, the thing is he

went to the White House many times and he is connected to world leaders all over the place. Many people have resigned as a result of the Epstein Files. So I'm just asking a neutral question and that based on your experience as a world leader, what could we do to prevent predators like this from infiltrating the highest levels of the American government? >> Well, when someone knows about it, they can should report it and there should be a system set up to act on it. >> Well, I agree with that. Um, is it true that 2013

Miss Maxwell was a guest at the Clinton Global Initiative Conference? >> I don't know. Is that the When's the last year we had it? >> 2013 is one of the years where they're asking whether or not she was there. >> I know. >> I'm trying to I I >> So, you can just >> off the top of my head, I don't know. >> Well, um, I understand that she also attended your daughter's wedding. >> She did. And so understand now the Unspeakable evil that these people committed. Do you believe it was a mistake allowing them

close to your family? >> Are you asking if he knew at the time when she was at the wedding? >> Looking back >> I had no looking back I had no idea if I had known what she was doing I would have done the right thing. >> Understand? Well, I think that >> but I also keep in mind I felt bad for Ted White who was a very close friend of mine and I never had any doubt about him and I still don't. >> Roger that. Well, we all I think you would agree that we

all want justice for the victims. We all want transparency, accountability. We want to strengthen our antihuman trafficking laws. President Trump has secured the border and gone after the cartels and even passed legislation to help human Trafficking victims. What other legislation could we do based on your experience that would help stop trafficking in America, if not the world? >> Well, first you need to ask people who know more about how people get over it. I mean that there's already been a large number of dollars put into settlements, but I think there must be Damages to people

that will take a lifetime to heal. So I think there needs to be a lot of study on that. And then I think there is the hotlines that where people make reports need to be taken seriously and you need to follow up on them. And and I think that the more we talk about it, the less likely it is that another big network will form. >> Thank you for answering my questions. I think you're doing a good, you know, just having us talk about it. It's important. >> Thank you. >> Next will be Mr. Groman

from Wisconsin. >> Can I get a time check? >> You have approximately 15 minutes remaining. >> What? >> Approximately 15 minutes remaining. Okay. Oh, Mr. President, um, is on here. >> Yes, we can hear you. >> Was uh Jeffrey Epstein on You apparently took 26 flights on planes connected to Jeffrey Epstein. Was he on every flight you were on? Was he on every flight I was on? >> That's a good question. >> If you know >> what >> if you know their flight manifest, do you know? >> There'll be a record of it, but I

I I think he was or certainly almost. >> You think he was? Well, that that's okay. Uh was uh Maxwell on every flight you were on as far as you remember? >> The same answer. I think she was, but there'll be a record of it. >> Okay. Um when you took these flights, you're saying a lot of them were on behalf of your foundation or your charitable work, correct? >> Yes. >> Uh who did you normally bring on these flights? You know, I said, you know, employees of the foundation, whatever. >> I brought uh people

who work with me, especially people who would have to follow up on the fundraising or people who were involved in my age work. I' I've bought uh people who >> just like I never go anywhere alone. You never went anywhere alone. >> What? No. >> And the secret and I had the secret service with me and then on occasion I had people who had volunteered to help us and wanted to see what we were doing. For example, I think it was on one of these trips. I think that I had my first trip for the

man who's now the governor of Illinois, JB Pritsker, and his wife. They gave me They helped me get started. It's all a matter of public record. >> Okay. As far as on your normal trips, could you rattle off say the four or five people connected to your foundation who you remember were most frequently on these trips or were most important of the trips? >> Could you could you give us the names? >> Well, Doug Van, Justin Cooper, Aram Magaziner, >> and I can't remember who else. I'd be Glad to look. >> Anyway, we'll give you

a couple seconds to think. I can't remember who worked for me 10 years ago, so I don't expect you. Did you anybody else you can think of? >> It was 24 years ago. I'll be glad to try to find out what's left. >> Okay. When you were on the plane, where did you where first of what did the plane look like when you got on the plane? >> Could you describe what it looked like? >> It was at first it looked like a commercial airplane. >> You know, seats on both sides of the aisle. >>

Yeah. And typically our crew kind of filled it up for a few however many pe depending on how many people we had. We had the staff and the friends of the foundation and people were doing the Work. Then we had the >> like a boardroom halfway back. We had and then we had the secret service further back and that was it. >> Okay. Um, how would you spend your time on these flights from you Asia or subs Africa? Those are quite trips. What would you do on these trips? >> We would spend a fair amount

of time talking about what we were going to do at the Next stop. You know, we worked a lot. Then we read a lot and we slept a lot and we always cut out some time for card games. >> I was going to ask you whether you do cards and you beat me to the punch. What type of cards did you play? >> Oh, hell and hearts. >> Hearts. I always play hearts. That's good. Um, you said uh was the secret service with you every time you went on These trips? >> Every time. >> Every

time. Okay, good. I have ne never signed off secret service protection. >> Okay. Um did the secret service they screened all the other passengers and uh pilots as far as you know >> they what >> screen them? >> Yeah they they have everybody's name and Background and all that. >> Okay. Uh, now I asked you about people who were connected to the foundation that you brought along, but I take it if they gave you an airplane. Uh, and Jeffrey was on it, there were his staff, too. Correct. >> Yeah, he had some staff on it.

>> Any of those people you remember, men, women? Well, I remember Glenn was there and there were always Uh the the other people that stay off the airplane, ride, >> right? I think one of the reasons you're successful is you you deal with the average guy, right? You do like to talk to the average guy. Did you remember the names of any of the Epstein staffers that were, you know, serving you or that you engaged with banter about? >> Well, the one we just been talking about, >> Shanti Davis. >> Yeah. Shante. I remember her.

Shante Davis. >> Okay. Anybody else you talked about? Where you from? >> Well, I talked to a lot of them. One of them was from Hawaii and was a military wife. >> Okay. >> I remember but but I don't remember their names after >> Hawaiian girl. Was she Asian? >> No. >> No. Okay. Okay. Um, um, were there ever new people that you remember joining in the This is kind of what spread out over what, four or five years or two two or three years, I guess, on >> two years on the flight. >> Um,

did you ever get to the Virgin Islands other than on these planes? Have you ever been in the US Virgin Islands in Your life? >> Oh, yes. I worked my foundation did an lot of work in the Virgin Islands. >> And you also vacation there as president? >> Well, yeah. And when I was president, Hillary and I vacationed there and we liked it very much. >> Okay. >> And but when they had the the hurricane in 2017, We went to the islands and tried to help. My foundation did. >> Okay. Okay. And we did a

lot of work there. >> Okay. We have another question. You know, when you read about this and obviously these files received a lot of public attention. Uh recently a columnist pointed out that one of the reasons this human trafficking was allowed to exist is there were lawyers, sometimes highric lawyers who uh were Able to bring I guess particularly from Eastern Europe, Eastern European girls through here, you know, negotiate the immigration laws and such. and some in particularly some very high-priced famous lawyers uh were hired and apparently I don't know they couldn't find anything better to

do when they left uh Washington uh were engaged in uh helping I guess girls that uh some people that became prostitutes get here from Eastern Europe. Could you comment on uh lawyers who make money uh bringing um girls from Eastern Europe or other place around the world into prostitution coming coming to this country for >> you? Sorry. I'm just to clarify you just want him to comment on that. >> Yeah, I want you to comment. What do you think of these people? >> I don't like it. What? >> I don't like it, but I don't

know much About it. >> Would you think that? Would you Oh, I'm sorry. I'm getting the hook. You know how it is. Saved by the bell. Well, why don't I finish that question? Do you think do you think if if lawyers help uh legally or illegally uh people come into this country for the purpose of prostitution that they should be despired? Not unless it's illegal to do it. If you passed a law which said it was illegal To provide representation notwithstanding the constitutional right to >> think they're sleazy lawyers if they do say that >>

sleazy lawyers say they're sleazy >> for the record we think lawyers are fantastic. >> Thank you. Thank you Mr. President. And uh lastly is representative Langworthy from Buffalo. >> Oh my goodness. >> That's right. We say Buffalo, not New York. >> Oh. Hello, Buffalo. >> You were there the day after uh you were acquitted. I remember. >> Yeah. I said 20,000 people feel big. >> Never forget it. >> Big news. Uh thank you very much, President. >> Never forget it. >> Um you are widely regarded across party Lines as one of the most politically perceptive

leaders uh of modern time. uh your your political instincts are are very well documented and your successes uh uh of of your political career are well documented. Um how would you describe the substance of your conversations with Jeffrey Epstein during the many hours that you spent together on the aircraft? >> Well, at first he really seemed to be like a vacuum Cleaner. like he really wanted information and there was no uh to go back to the the business with the what do you call it the passport the false link there was nothing uh overtly manipulative

about it he just he wanted to know you know what did I think of derivative trading did I think that the stock market was properly regulated or did it need more? What uh you know How did we have the most broadly shared prosperity in 50 years? Was it just an accident? Was it just technology? Or do we have specific policies? He wanted to know stuff like that. And it was great for the first, you know, two, three, four, five conversations. But I could tell that it was like I mean you guys are in politics. Don't

you ever feel like sometimes somebody's talking to you and then they're just Checking the box and they got to go do something else and be somebody else. That's the way I felt. >> Interesting. The the international travel you took with Mr. Epstein. It it represented a significant investment of time and money on on his behalf. And I did miss the first portion of this. So if if any of this is uh repetitive, I apologize. Um your arrangement was that you would spend an hour of conversation with him On topics of his choosing and that >>

No, he testified just so that you on economics and politics. >> On economics and politics. Thank you. >> Okay. >> And that was that was the arrangement and the rest was in kind donations, you know, the flights >> all the long haul flights. Yeah. If there were if we were gone four hours or more, I'd give him an hour. >> Okay. Did Did you ever ask him directly Why he was willing to finance these trips and provide you with access to the plane? I did so much. And what was his uh what was his reaction

to that question? >> He said, "I think you did a good job as president and you managed to get elected and you're the first Democrat in 60 years that got reelected. I want to know what happened and I want to understand it. And that was it. I mean, he never was, You know, it was never like he was trying to suck up to me or anything. He just was it was very straightforward and but after a while it was obvious that he had done what he intended to do and he was kind of going through

the motions and he didn't really care about what we I really cared about this AIDS thing. I thought we had a chance to build something that would revolutionize the treatment of all mess Illnesses. Same thing with tuberculosis and malaria. And sure enough, we did. But I thought we were on the verge of something big and he didn't much care about it and I had a bunch of people that did. So we went different ways >> and as you you pointed out I mean we're all in the political process certainly not playing at the levels uh

uh that that you did you have in your career but do you believe that this was in essence Epste being a political junkie and and looking for that association? Yes. And and I I didn't know what else. All I knew was that uh but after we start when I got this thing going and people could see it like a chugging engine, you know, then we had more and more people interested in helping and I wanted to have people there that I knew were Genuinely caring. >> I know it sounds funny, but it matters because when

you start something like this, you're going to have rough time spots. Things are not going to go right. you're going to have to solve new problems. Far better to have people who are passionate about this. >> So on these overseas visits, did Mr. Epstein accompany you to any of the meetings or the private dinners or the official engagements? And in in if he Did, what capacity was he introduced? He went to some of the meetings but and some of the dinners but but the big public dinner we did in South Africa he did for example

but some he didn't when it wasn't appropriate when I had to talk to somebody about whether I thought they were following the pro the a proper legal path and trying to Let us sell generic drugs and how we're going get over. There are a lot of complicated things. >> Can I get a time check? >> We have like a minute left. >> Did he ever seek introductions uh to foreign dignitaries or leaders from you? >> Not that I remember. >> Okay. Did he ever ask you to make phone calls on his behalf? >> No, he

never did. I remember that he Didn't. I mean, I would remember. >> And you said he was not a friend, but with that amount of travel and proximity, wh why wasn't he a friend and he was just an acquaintance? >> Well, no, it wasn't just an acquaintance either. I felt friendly toward him, but he was, as I said in my book, odd. He There was always something a little holding back. And he and I could tell, and it was pretty strange the way it Happened. You know, Larry Summers, the president of Harvard, calls you out

of the blue, says, "This guy wants to do it. You do it." And then I I just I like to spend as much time as I can, >> okay, >> with people I know that I can count on. And I didn't have honestly I never saw anything that I knew was illegal, but I just felt I should move on. And we did. >> Did Did you ever have any arguments or disagreements with Mr. Epstein or Miss Maxwell in the course of your travels? >> Not to my knowledge. >> And and is there anything um that

you saw that he was looking to monetize the relationship that you had with you? >> Okay. And u check the time. >> I I seconds. >> My lawyers are going to kill me on this, But I have to say I want to be honest. I'm not trying to be, you know, goody two shoes here. I did feel closer to Galain Maxwell because of Ted Wade. So I didn't I wasn't against the whole deal until I knew what they were doing. >> Okay. >> By then it was too late for me to do anything. But >>

I I think your response is to the was he trying to ever monetize the relation to Your knowledge was was clear. >> To the best of my knowledge, he never did. >> Thank you for the opportunity, Mr. President. Thank you. We will go off the record. We can go back on the record. Mr. President, I just have a few more questions. I'll try to be as efficient as possible as we move through them. Uh, one is moving back in time just a little bit. In 1996, Maria Farmer, who is a confirmed Epstein victim, submitted information

to the FBI that Jeffrey Epstein was sexually abusing minors. During your presidency, were you ever made aware of the information that Maria Farmer provided to the FBI in 1996? >> No. And no, >> thank you. I'm going to move back ahead to the year 2003. There's just one international Trip that I don't think we've specifically discussed yet, and that was in November of 2003. A trip to I think Russia and China on Mr. Epstein's plane. >> Is that the last one I took? >> Great. So, I'm going to give you, I think, for us the

last piece of paper for the day, which is the flight log for that trip. and we'll mark that as minority exhibit L and I'll give you a moment to receive that. >> Wow. >> Thank you very much. >> I forgotten I went through you went through Russia. You went through Russia with you coming from Norway. >> Yeah. And for your counsel, that's a total of five trips distributed between the fourth, fifth, 6th, and 9th here on this lot. >> Yeah. This was another one of our aid trips. Kazar was on it. >> Yeah. So, if

you could just describe what you recall about the circumstances of this trip. Can you refresh my memory about what stops were actually taken? >> Yeah, the the the countries in question are Russia and China. I think the final stop was Beijing. I do not off the top of my head recall what each of these air airport codes are. It it was brush Brussels to Oslo to toach Russia to Hong Kong, Changdu, Beijing. >> Well, thank you. I appreciate that. >> Okay, let's do it again. >> Uh, Brussels to Oslo to the middle of Russia, Tolmacho

to Hong Kong to Changdu to Beijing. >> Got it. We stopped uh in Europe and as I remember uh that we did something with Brazil is the Political the parliamentary capital of Europe and I think we did something with the EU and then Oslo was is important because the Norwegians had funded a project for the that we did for them for the Clinton Foundation for Russia and they ask us to try to develop a plan for Lenigrat And we did. >> What kind of plan, Mr. President? >> An age plan because Len Lenigrat had a

very high age rate because it was near the ocean and people were coming in and out. And I think that's what happened then. Uh and then we went to China and I had been doing a a lot of work on China and It was very interesting because we the Chinese were eager to get into this and yet scared. It was very interesting because We could have been in you were in Russia and China, you could have been in rural America on AIDS at the time. They were they were very reluctant to discuss this and all

hung up about it. And uh the Chinese with whom I had good relations with at the time were the national government asked me. They said they they like you out in the country here. But I had been there in 1998 and had a big trip. And he said, "We want you to go out there and be photographed on state television playing with children. and talking to their families about AIDS. So that's what this whole trip was about. So I was doing that and uh it was I think I'm almost sure that's it because and then

we stopped in Hong Kong on the way out, right? >> Yeah. Hong Kong and Beijing. >> Yeah. >> Thank you very much. I appreciate that context. Is it correct that while on that trip you did not witness or become aware of sexual abuse of any kind? >> No. I we were all busy. It's crazy. I Never saw anything like that. >> Thank you. We have a few events for which we don't have exact dates. I'll ask about them one at a time. CNN has reported that in July of 2003. Miss Maxwell co-hosted a fundraiser for

your presidential library and Mr. Epstein may have attended. We don't know whether or not you attended that event. Do you have any recollection of attending that event? >> I don't. I wouldn't be surprised. I Don't remember anything about it. >> Thank you. An investigative journalist named Vicky Ward has claimed that Miss Maxwell accompanied you on a trip to India sometime in 2003, including to the Taj Mahal, and that you traveled for that trip on a private jet owned by billionaire Ron Burkel. Do you have any recollection of the trip I just described? No. But I

want to be forthright here. I was the first thing I did in the way of public service after I left office was to try to help India deal with the aftermath of the Gujarat earthquake which happened literally four days after I gave up the White House. And it was and so I called the prime minister of India who was a friend of mine and he said I need help. I've I've got to build Schools and hospitals and I have I can't do anything in the small towns and the middlesized towns and the rural areas. I

only have the money to do something in the big cities. So I was I'm not saying I did or didn't do this. I have no memory, but I also want to I don't want to mislead anybody. We were doing tons of stuff and we needed to finance it. So, I can't say that I didn't do it. >> Thank you. In your 2024 memoir, you said That by the time Epstein was arrested in 2005 that you had stopped contact with him. When do you recall being the last time that you had any kind of communication with

Mr. Epste? The last time I remember was with him was sometime in 2003. >> Attorney Brad Edwards, that's an attorney who's represented many of Mr. Epstein's survivors. >> Excuse me, council. I I I believe there was a misstatement there. Uh the book Says who in 2008 had been convicted and jailed in Florida, not 2005. >> Okay. Thank you. I appreciate that. Attorney Brad Edwards has represented many of Mr. Epstein's survivors. He claimed in a 2011 filing that he believed the Justice Department possessed some kind of correspondence from you from 2007 or 2008 on behalf of

Jeffrey Epstein. At any of the various points when Mr. Epstein was under investigation. Did you or any of your Representatives ever submit any correspondence to the Department of Justice on his behalf? >> I have no memory of that. >> To your recollection or knowledge, did you or your representatives ever have any other communication with the Department of Justice regarding Jeff? >> Not that I remember. No. CNN has reported that in 2007, Miss Maxwell co-hosted a fundraiser for Secretary Clinton's presidential Campaign in New York City. We believe that Christina Aguilera may have performed at that event.

Do you have any knowledge or recollection of attending that event? >> I don't. There was a an email released as part of the DOJ files recently that suggested you may have attended a party at Galain Maxwell's home in October of 2009 and that publicist Peggy Seagull as well as Jeff Bezos may have attended. My only Question to you is whether you have any recollection of attending a party that I just described. >> Is this her home in New York City? It would be at uh Miss Maxwell's home in New York City. >> I have no

memory of that at all. >> Thank you. >> It's been widely reported that in July of 2010, Miss Maxwell attended your daughter Chelsea's wedding in Reinach, New York, and that she accompanied Billionaire Ted Wait, who was at least at the time a family friend of yours and you've described a little bit today. You of course were at that wedding as well. Do you have any specific recollection of interacting with Miss Maxwell at that wedding? >> No, I was I was an emotional wreck. I was just trying not to fall off the the little what do

you call the pallets? the >> the disc >> the the no the wooden >> oh >> that we walked on the grass with >> I knew she was there but and she and Ted were there >> and what was your understanding of her relationship with Mr. Wait at the time? >> Well, I thought they were together and I think Chelsea and Mark did too. to it's also been reported that in 2011 uh your adviser Doug Band instructed an aid To remove Miss Maxwell from all attendance related lists for Clinton related events. This was reportedly in

the wake of Virginia Roberts Juay and allegations that she made at the time against many people including Miss Maxwell. Do you have any memory or knowledge of Mr. B's instructions that I just described? >> I don't. >> Thank you. That takes us through most of the known timeline of your relationship With Jeffrey Epstein. There's just one more topic I would like to cover. That is the Clinton Global Initiative. In 2007, Mr. Epstein's lawyers claimed that he was part of the original group that conceived the Clinton Global Initiative. Would you agree with that characterization? >> No.

>> Can you elaborate a little bit on why you would not agree with that? I wouldn't agree with that because The first time I ever discussed what became the Clinton Bowl initiative was with Doug Ban and the rest of our small group on the way back from Davos. And Doug said he wanted to we should have a meeting like this in New York at the opening of the UN and we can make a lot of money because you don't have to go to Davos and you can meet all these people that'll be here. And I

said I want to do it for an entirely different reason. It's fine if we make money, but the most important thing is that we give serious people a chance to go to meetings and actually make commitments to make positive change. I'm tired of going to meetings where everybody just blow the eggs and don't ever do a damn thing. So, if we can figure out how to do that, I'm interested. And then we got, you know, a team. There was to to operationalize it, it was Doug Ban, Mary Morrison, who had worked for me in the

inner office at the White House and a man named Ed Hughes who was a wonderful young guy who stayed with us the whole 12 years and they were working on how to stand up and Do the mechanics of this. And my job was to try to get some people who would come that people would want to hear and see and try to, you know, make it exciting and make people actually want to make commitments. And so I think it was at that point that Glenn may have gotten involved. I don't know. You can ask them

about it, but I'm just telling you how it began. It began With Doug saying, "Let's do this and make money," and me saying, "Let's do this and make commitments." >> I I think the question, Mr. President, what you've answered was was was Jeffrey Epstein involved in the >> at the time? No, not at all. >> Thank you. >> But I I do not know what I have for >> It has been publicly reported that in 2006, Mr. Epstein made a $25,000 donation to the Clinton Foundation. Do You have any specific knowledge or recollection of that

donation? >> No, I saw it in the I saw that it was reported. I didn't I don't know. >> Thank you. With respect to Miss Maxwell, and you just touched on it briefly. She told DOJ last July that she was quote very central to the startup of the Clinton Global Initiative. Would you agree with that characterization? I would agree that she worked hard. I now know I didn't at the time because I Was working on the other, as I explained, I was working on a whole other part of this. >> If I could ask you

to limit your answer to your knowledge at the time. >> At the time, I did not know it. >> Thank you. The New York Times recently reported that in 2004, Ms. Maxwell arranged a $1 million payment to an events company called Publicist Group. That the payment may have had some connection with the First Clinton Global Initiative conference in 2005. The reporting suggests that Mr. Epstein may have been involved with the payment or somehow aware of the payment. Do you have any specific memory or knowledge or recollection of the $1 million payment I just described? >>

No. >> It's also been reported that in September of 2013 at a Clinton Global Initiative conference, Miss Maxwell, Miss Ms. Maxwell was recognized as a commitment to action partner for her work on behalf of the Terramar project which was an ocean conservation nonprofit that she founded in 2012. Do you have any memory or knowledge of that conference? >> I do. >> Great. Could you describe a little bit what you recall? >> Yeah, because this shows you how the CGI works not for Gain for everybody. She the first she was still with Tedweight and he was

still heavily involved in ocean work. So that was sort of an incentive. But she had organized this group whose objective was to in effect take two massive islands made of metal and junk out of the Atlantic. And they were floating around. One of them was had gotten to the Caribbean. They were floating around and all this metal. So that was what she was trying to do. It was a good idea and she was recognized for that. The fact that she was recognized was not particularly remarkable. Everybody who makes a commitment, goes through a photo line

and gets recognized. >> Did you have any personal role in Ms. Maxwell's recognition at that event or that >> it might have been in her room by the time she got it, but it was No, they they put the recognition in that room. I remember this specifically because it was where all the ocean freaks were, all the people that cared about this that wanted to be. So that's why they wanted those things announced. >> By ocean freaks, you mean people who are passionate about the ocean? >> Yes. Thank you. >> I mean that. people who

were passionate about doing this. It was great. And so I didn't think a thing about it. Do >> you have any additional knowledge or recollection related to Ms. Maxwell's role at that event? >> No. >> Reportedly in February of 2014, you had dinner with Ms. Maxwell and others in Los Angeles at a vegan restaurant called Crossroads Kitchen. That dinner may have Been organized by your then deputy chief of staff, John Davidson, perhaps around 20 guests. Do you have any recollection of the dinner I just described? I had a lot of dinners like that in Los

Angeles. So, I don't remember that specific one, but I whenever I went to Los Angeles, I attempted to have a dinner someplace in public with a lot of my friends just to keep in touch with them, keep going. >> As far as you can recall, when was the Last time you had any form of communication with Ms. Maxwell? >> I think it must be a decade ago. It might be even longer. I don't know. But it was wrong time. >> Thank you, >> Mr. President. Um it's a pleasure uh to be here and and quickly

uh on a lighter note. Um point of personal privilege, my birthday is November 5th, 1974, which shouldn't mean anything to you, but what it means is is that I turned 18 two days After the election >> and I couldn't vote. and I'm still upset about that. So, on behalf of my mom, um I apologize. She was a little slow. Now, um President Clinton, as council noted at the beginning of this deposition, Donald Trump posted on social media that the that the that he wanted Attorney General Pam Bondi to investigate you and other prominent Democrats in

order to distract from his own close ties to Jeffrey Epstein. That post was previously marked as minority exhibit B, which you already have. >> Yep. >> President Trump's post refers to Jeffrey Epstein's crimes against young girls and women, as the Epstein hoax. His post also completely ignores several other high-profile individuals, including Republicans and allies of President Trump, who were known to have had relationships with Epstein. In fact, the Epstein files contain numerous officials in the current and previous Trump administrations who have connections to Jeffrey Epstein, including Howard Lednik, RFK Jr., Steve Bannon, Tom Barrett, Kevin

Worsh, and Met Oz to name a few. President Clinton, to your knowledge, has the Trump administration done anything at all to investigate these other individuals with ties to Epstein? >> Well, I wouldn't be in a position to Know they That's the truth. I, you know, as I said earlier, the only conversation I have with President Trump about this was in the early 2000s. And I have no information that he did anything wrong. I just want it all out there. I want everybody to get it all out there and let everybody see where we are. And

had you had any conversations with him since the early 2000s about this subject matter? >> No. Um, and then last, my last question is Howard Lenick recently went so far as to lie about his close relations with Jeffrey Epstein, but the truth came out with the release of the files. President Clinton, is Howard Lenik still employed a secretary of commerce in the Trump administration to your knowledge? >> I think he is. And in your opinion, why has Donald Trump ignored these other Prominent figures who've had close ties? >> He's asking your opinion, Mr. President. >>

Lnik is runs a big company and has made a lot of money and has supported him strongly. I don't think he believes that he's done anything bad enough to I think he thinks he took his family to the island and you couldn't have done anything wrong. That's what I think he thinks. But I'm speculating. I'm doing what I have no Business doing because I really don't know. >> Thank you, Mr. President. >> Thank you. >> It's okay. >> Thank you. I'll speak up. >> Thank you, Mr. President, uh, for being here, for your service. I'll

be brief. I think most of the pertinent questions have been asked today. Um, I want to talk about transparency. You and Secretary Clinton were both very clear About your desire to testify publicly before this committee. In fact, on February 6, 2026, you posted on social media, quote, "I will not sit idly as they use me as a prop in a closed-door kangaroo court by a Republican party running scared. If they want answers, let's stop the games and do this the right way in a public hearing where the American people can see for themselves what this

is really about." President Clinton, why do you feel it is important For you to testify before this committee in a public setting? >> Because I think that first what happened with Jeffrey Epstein was horrible. What he did and what Glenn Maxwell was convicted of, it was horrible. We can't tolerate it in America and shouldn't. We ought to keep doing as Hillary talked about yesterday, try our part to get rid of that kind of trafficking around the world. Secondly, I was on the plane. It may be that I've said something today that gave you some indication

that would help change policies or something. I so I thought it was important. But I also think people know that there's been a little bit of zigg and zag and ambivalence about, you know, how we should how hard this thing should be put out there. And I'm not pointing a finger at anybody Anything. I'm just saying we know that. And so I think it's important that we get it all out. So to be clear, so the this committee issued a subpoena to the Department of Justice to release the full and unredacted files last summer. There's

also now the Epstein Files Transparency Act that asked for the same that President Donald Trump signed into law, but still the Department of Justice Under this administration has not released all of the files and and there's been many illegal redactions. Do you think that we of course as Congress and the American public should get the full and unredacted files immediately? I think unless there is some serious danger of physical harm to one of the victims or some national security interest involving intelligence Because you've all you've heard me that some of you think that there's some

intelligence issues, national security issues. I think the rest of it ought to be gotten out and I think we just need to get to a point where we can put this behind us and then I think you I hope you can and will help build us a system that works in America the way our international system works best in Trying to identify and stop human trafficking and trying to make people whole once they've been damaged And not a question, but just in response, the the law is very clear about the identities of the victims. Unfortunately,

the Department of Justice has wrongfully release some of that information, including personally identifiable information while illegally redacting names uh of potential Co-conspirators. Now, they're going to kill me for saying this, but I think it's important to I think it is entirely possible that people in the Justice Department I don't agree with on nearly anything, right? But I when it's possible that they didn't intentionally cover some of this stuff up, but it's hard to accept that when you look at the other problems in dealing with the information. So you guys got to clear that up, clean

it up, decide how you think it should be handled. >> Thank you. >> So before we go off the record, just one clarification. It's more just for councils. The uh quote from the 2024 memoir, I think was accurately quoted in the first instance. The full sentence is quote, "He," meaning Mr. Epstein, hurt a lot of people, but I knew nothing about it. And by the time he was first Arrested in 2005, I had stopped contact with him. And that's the end of the sentence. That's page 373. So that's just for counsel. And >> my my

apology. >> No, not at all. And with that, we can end this round and go off the record. >> Uh we'll go back on the record. Mr. President, during the last hour, there was a discussion related to your book with uh minority council and I just want to read the excerpt into the record And just a quick question for clarification. You said, "I had always thought Epstein was odd but had no inkling of the crimes he was committing. He heard a lot of people, but I knew nothing about it. And by the time he was

first arrested in 2005, I had stopped talk or stopped contact with him. We understand that Mr. Epstein was arrested in July of 2006. Can you explain the discrepancy? >> Are you asking him to fact check his own Book? >> Correct. >> Okay. I mean, >> can you explain it or not? >> I can't. I'm sorry. We made a mistake. >> Thank you. All right. Uh, Mr. President, Congresswoman Nancy Mace from South Carolina. Thank you for being here with us for hours today. I know it's been a long day and I know that we're going to

wrap up soon for you. Um, did you know One of the witnesses who testified in the Epstein cases that Epstein said uh, you quote like them young. Why would Epstein say that about you? >> Are you asking his opinion? >> You're asking him to think about why Mr. Epstein would say something? >> Why would Why would Epste say that about >> She's asking him to try to be in Mr. Mr. Epste's mind and guess at what Mr. Epste would have thought about. >> Clinton likes them young referring to Girls. >> First of all, >> that's

not true. >> What's not true? >> That I have any interest in underage? >> I didn't say underage. I said I said young. >> But it's still not true. Is an intern young? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> At my age, anybody younger than I am. >> Did you know Jeffrey Epstein instructed a witness to deny you were ever on his island? >> He didn't have to since I was never there. >> Did you ever uh travel to Zoro Ranch? >> Is that the one in New Mexico? Yes. >> No. >> Okay. Have you ever flown

on anyone else's private jet 26 times or more for overseas trips? I have flown as many miles on other jets but never with as many stops. >> How many other people's planes have you used like Epstein 26 times or miles etc. >> I don't know. I did with Steve Bean who's now deceased and probably with four or five others. >> Okay. >> So maybe about a half dozen billionaires total. Um, how many dinners did you have with uh Gla Maxwell or Jeffrey Epstein in Attendance? >> She's asking to the best of your recollection. >> I

have no idea. >> Okay. Did you ever discuss sexual misconduct allegations made against you with Epste or Maxwell? >> Never. >> Did Epste or Maxwell ever offer to help manage or silence women who made sexual misconduct allegations against you? >> No. Did Epstein or Maxwell ever offer Financial support directly or indirectly to legal defense funds related to impeachment proceedings or civil actions against you? >> Not to my knowledge. >> Do you think a young girl massaging a president is unusual? >> So are you asking his opinion? >> Well, he was massaged by a young woman.

I'm asking if he thinks it's unusual that a president sitting president of the United States leader of the free World that it'sual. Are you speaking to are you talking to the the instance of the >> unusual the back massage that occurred while he was not president? I'm just trying to understand. You said a president of the United States >> former president. >> Thank you. Just trying to make sure we're correcting the time. >> No, I don't need to. I'm actually trying to make sure that as you >> be clear. He he said he >> you

said he was a sitting president. >> Excuse me. Could we just please go one at a time? Thank you. >> You said a sitting president. I want you to be clear so that when he answers you sitting president do it. Is it unusual? >> Objection. I >> have no idea if it's unusual. >> Objection calls for speculation. >> I figured. Do you ever uh did you ever think that all these women around Jeffrey Epstein or Gillian Maxwell was odd, unusual, weird, or creepy? >> There weren't all that many around when I was there. >> How

many would you say is all not all that many? I think on this big plane that was working long hours, having two to four people on there, I thought was, as far as I knew, they were all helping >> flight attendants and tank tops and jeans, right? >> No. >> Do you believe you were a victim of a Jeffrey Epstein intel operation? Do you think that you might have been like caught up in some of what he was maybe potentially doing? >> Excuse me, Congress. Which question are you asking? >> I'm asking intel operation. >>

First of all, I don't >> some type of intel operation. I'm just curious because it's been speculated on today and yesterday that he may have Been an intel asset. Do you think perhaps knowing what we know now, uh, the proclivity of it all that he may have been targeting you as part of an intel operation? >> I doubt it. >> Okay. Um, in 2019 you stated after he was arrested, I guess this would be the second time, you stated you knew nothing of Epstein's quote terrible crime since you only met quote briefly on only quote

two occasions. Was this statement false? >> Excuse me. Congress accurate statement. Can you please share us? >> Yes. Um, in 2019 is reported by the media. >> Which media? >> Um, this says this is the >> Could you share a copy of it, please? >> Okay. Daily Beast. It says uh the title of this is Bill Clinton failed to mention his intimate 1995 dinner with Epstein. >> We can give council on the witness a Moment to review the exhibit. >> Well, we'd like the statement. I mean, he put out in 2019 full statement >> and

it will be marked exhibit 202. >> So, to be clear, your your your the basis of your question is a news article with respect to the Daily Beast as to a dinner. Is that accurate? >> Nope. It's uh a question in the first paragraph which reads, "Hours after Jeffrey Epstein was arraigned Monday on several sex trafficking charges, former President Bill Clinton publicly downplayed his relationship with the pedophile Finance CA, saying he knew nothing of his terrible crime since they only met briefly on two occasions >> and that's in the Daily Beast, which is in your

hand right now, >> right? That's what I just said. >> Thank you. >> Well, what would you like to know? >> So, my question is, you stated you'd only met Jeffrey Epste in 2019. You said you'd only met him on two occasions. Was this statement false when you made it? >> To be clear, this is a news reporting that is saying that that's what >> did you make this statement in 2019? >> Congress, would you put in the statement that he made? This is a news report. It's double hearsay. >> Did you No. Did you

make this statement in 2019 as reported by the media? >> So, you're asking whether or not he made a statement to the Daily Beast. >> Nope. To It says quote. It's quoting him or his office, etc. Are you denying you made this statement? >> It's quoting a sentence. If you put in the entire statement, that's all we ask. To be fair, give him the statement, not somebody's report on it. I have no idea what the Daily Beast take is. >> There was a statement that was released that was broader than this, and they Relied on

only a portion of it. >> They relied on only a portion of his full statement. >> That's a portion I'm focusing on. He said with Jeff, >> so it's actually a misrepresentation of his entire statement. >> Well, can you let your client answer the question? >> Well, can you ask it in a way that would make it clear that what you were actually asking clear? His statement Said he met broader question of what did he say? >> He said he briefly met with him only on two occasions. >> The Daily Beast selected that piece out.

>> So are you denying that the president made this statement? >> What I'm saying is that there is an entire statement. That's the statement on which the president spoke to. >> Would you like to provide it to this committee? >> We're happily provide that committee. >> Okay. I would like to ask the president this question. Was that a false statement that you made in 2019 that he only met with Jeffrey Epste briefly on two occasions? >> Object to the basis of this question. You say you're asking him about a news article, not the statement he

made. >> Quoting him. It's quoting the president of the United States. Are you denying Are you denying the president made the Statement? >> I'm I'm telling >> Are you denying he made the statement? I want to know. >> No, I'm telling you that the president made a full state. You are selecting a piece of it. Let Let's put in the entire statement he made. >> I wasn't uh in federal office in 2019. I was not a part of this committee. I was a state house rep from Goose Creek, South Carolina. And I'm quoting open Sources

that I have to the best of my knowledge. I'm not rich with a bunch of attorneys. Okay? I'm doing the best that I can get the to get the information I can. And I'm asking if the president was telling a lie in 2019 when he stated to the public he'd only met with Jeffrey Epste on two occasions. He did not say to the public, let me be clear. Not asking about your right to ask him any question, but don't do it on the basis of a news article. The news article is quoting his statement. >>

So, is a news article lying? Is a news article false? >> It's it it's false if you take it to me what you say which the statement did not do. >> Do you understand English? It's serious. >> I think I do. I'm not from South Carolina, but I think I do. >> Did you make a statement, Mr. President, in 2019 that you only met with Jeffrey Epstein twice? >> It that >> I'm asking question a different way. >> I have no idea. But I think that when I answer that, I don't believe I remembered anything

about meeting him in 1995. >> So when making a statement about Jeffrey Epstein in 2019, would you have checked with your staff on maybe White House logs about the 17 times he visited, dinners you had with him, fundraising uh That you did with him, fundraising dinners he was it on, uh you were on his flights 26 times. Would you have checked with your staff before making such a statement or would you just Congressman, what what statement are you talking about? Are you talking about the entire statement that he made in 2019? >> M. Can I

just ask you for the M? Can I ask you for the record? >> Miss M, can I ask you for the record? Can you read the article into the Record, please? >> I'm not going to read the article into the record. >> Well, Miss M, you are indicating that this article misrepresents anybody to read an article into the record. I'm not going to do that. You've not basis. You're not in charge of me. I am quoting from >> I'm not seeking to be in charge of you. Believe me, that is something I would Not at

all. even try >> seek to be. So I I want to be respectful, but I am asking if you're asking him to speak to this, can you please put the entire >> article in the record? >> The entire article is in the record as an exhibit. What exhibit number is this? >> 22. >> 22. And yet counselor, it's already in the record clarified >> to reflect only the small portion of the Larger statement to whatever extent the witness is able to answer to his recollection of that portion of the statement and any preparation that occurred

to make that statement. So in other words, what you have just articulated that the question's been clarified by Miss Mace or by you that what is intended is to actually only be speaking to the selected piece out of the entire statement that was released by the president's office. Is that what You're clarifying? >> That's what I'm focused on. Yes. >> Okay. >> So if you read this, >> you really want to know is if I was at a dinner. No, I don't. My question was about statement. No, sir. >> No, sir. I'm not asking about

that dinner. Um, I'm asking about the statement at the beginning of the article. I would like to ask another question. Your statement in 2019 about Only meeting with Jeffrey Epstein on two occasions briefly. Um, >> that is not a correct. I'm going to object to that characterization. That is not what the statement says. >> You're reading the Daily Kickstarter, >> which is a leftist rag. By the way, on the third paragraph down, it says, "In his Monday statement, Clinton said he had only quote one meeting with Epste in his Har Har Har Har Har Har

Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Harlem office in 2002 and around the same time made one brief visit to Epstein's New York apartment with a staff member and his security detail." Those are the two reference to the Daily Beast. Bill Clinton failed to mention his intimate dinner 1995 dinner with Epstein. >> That's by Par Melendez on the 11th of July 2019. >> All right, Mr. President uh your statement

saying you know only met with Epstein briefly twice. Was that part of an effort to cover up your close relationship with Jeffrey Epste? >> Object to the form of the question misstates the record. >> She's asking if you were trying to mis um mislead the public. >> Oh no. >> Okay. How many times did Billy Maxwell visit your home in Chapel? >> I have no idea >> who invited her. >> Well, I don't know. I don't know how. She may have been >> Mr. President. That's it. >> Okay. >> Hillary had political events there. >>

Okay. Um, so is it in your uh is it to your knowledge was that was she at your home in Chapua likely because your wife had her open for Senate events? That's what he testified earlier today. Correct. >> That's not what he testified, but please ask the question as to what he would actually Thank you. I appreciate that. >> I do not know. But if you are >> implying the reverse, I will volunteer something. She was never at my house in Chapaqua for any personal reasons. >> I didn't I didn't I didn't say anything for

anything personal. >> No, you didn't. But you have a great tone in your voice and you're very good At that's just >> Thank you. I'll take that as a compliment. I compliment. Thank you. And I did not go to Y Law School or any law school for that matter. Um so yesterday your wife testified uh that Gain Maxwell was never at her home and I believe you stated earlier today you thought if she was over there it would be for Senate events. So would was your wife falsely testifying yesterday characterizes. >> So he doesn't have

the benefit of his Wife's testimony yesterday. So unless you all are going to provide the transcript or you're going to actually provide that information, there's not a position where we could address. >> I believe all I said was that I didn't know >> okay >> what she had done. >> Um you said you said you postured that maybe it was uh for her Senate. I'm going to have one last question, Mr. Chairman, and and then you may take you'll take over. Um I believe you stated today on around and I know it's been a number

of years on around 2008 you ended uh or before that ended your any communication with Jeffrey Epstein. Correct. Around the time you got arrested or right beforehand. >> Um and he was arrested for um uh child sexual prostitution or you hiring girls for sex or one girl for sex. Correct. Roughly child sexual uh exploitation. If Um if you were aware in 2008 that Jeffrey Epstein was having sex with kids um and you knew of his close association with Gain Maxwell, why would you still associate with Gain Maxwell who you dubbed essentially like your Doug Band?

Your she was the body man to Epstein. Doug B was the body man to you. And why would you allow Gain Maxwell to associate with your daughter up until I don't 2004 2015? >> He knew he was a bad guy. Why would you Allow your daughter >> Excuse me. What's the period in which you're saying he would have known that Jeffrey Epste >> after 2008. So up until Glenn Maxwell was involved with CGI until what 2015 and we we confirmed today that he had a dinner with Gla Maxwell in LA in 2014. So he's still

hanging out with a close associate the closest associate to convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein. >> But excuse me >> I guess my question is why? >> Yes the question excuse me is the question why William Maxwell came to the wedding. Is that the question? >> No that was I didn't even bring up the wedding. Okay. >> Why are you confiscating? Why are you putting words in my mouth? You're smarter than that. >> No, no. Thank you. >> I think first of all, When the wedding occurred, she was with Ted White and she was for several more

years. We did not know when Epstein was arrested that she was still involved with him. >> I think that clears a lot of this up. We didn't know >> and I don't want all of you to get We're all getting in a ladder. There's a logical explanation. We didn't know. >> And >> I'm sorry for what she did and what she allowed her life to become. And now she's living with it. >> And I have one final short question. I promise I'm done. I was severely and heavily duped by an individual in my life about

two and a half years ago. It's very publicly well known. Uh you graduated from Georgetown and Yale. Correct. >> Yeah. How do you think Galain Maxwell And Jeffrey Epstein dupe so many powerful and smart people uh fully connected powerful people all around the world? >> I really don't know but I don't know. I've thought about a lot president >> and if you can figure it out I'd like to know but >> thank you Mr. President and Mr. Chairman. I yield back. point of privilege. >> I would like to say since you made a great deal

out of all this Ivy League stuff, I am also the last president ever to live in a place without indoor plumbing. There's a full statement which we'll be happy to provide for the record that it might be that Representative Mace is unaware of, but the full statement says President Clinton knows nothing about the terrible crimes Jeffrey Epson Pleaded guilty to. Florida some years ago or those with which he's recently been charged in 2002. In 2003, President Clinton took a total of four trips on Jeffrey Epstein's airplane, one to Europe, one to Asia, two to Africa,

which included stops in connection with the work of the Clinton Foundation staff and supporters. Secret Service detail traveled with him on his lip on his trips. He had one meeting with Epstein in his Harlem office 2002 around the Same time he made a brief visit to New York. That was the full statement. Ms. Mace was selecting portions out of the statement or relying on an article which only shows certain portions of the full statement. >> Let's go. >> Miss Luna from Florida. >> Mr. President, I just wanted to do a couple of follow-ups. Um, regarding

your personal conversations with me Mr. Epson, you said that he wanted to Discuss economic and political questions. Was there ever a particular region of the world or topics that he wanted to reacress? I do remember that he was interested in the two places that I was setting up the AIDS work in Asia and Africa. In Asia, he wanted to know if I thought it was going to be the Asian century and the thing would be sustainable. And in Africa, he wanted to know whether I believe that you could have broad-based prosperity there, whether we they

could achieve something that they had never achieved before. >> Um, it seems that Mr. Epstein also had asked a similar question about America's uh prosperity and economic policy. Did you feel that when he was asking questions particularly maybe pertaining to the regulation of our um of our stock market andor uh derivative trading Did he on a number of occasions come back to that and maybe pick your brain about policy or future policy here in the United States? >> No more than any other big issue. I knew that. I mean, everybody lives in New York with

money and it and look at he made his money >> advising Les Wexner, so he had to be interested in the markets. >> Okay. And then um I know that Galen was A little bit more probably chatty with you. Did she ever share a similar interest to Mr. Epstein on economics or political um topics of discussion? Were there any reoccurring topics that you felt that she wanted to focus on? >> Not that I noticed. Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. President. >> Thank you, >> Mr. President. We've covered a lot of topics today

and I'm going to walk Through some topics we've already covered. Just to ask some questions for clarification. >> Okay. >> First, during your relationship or the time that you knew Mr. Epstein. What did you understand his job to be? I'm not sure I knew. It was never clear to me, but he could have been living on investing the profits he'd already made. I knew he was a finance guy. And you just testify to Les Waxner being one of his clients. Did he ever make any other representations about who his clients were? >> No, but I

never asked either. >> During the time that you knew him, did FC ever provide you with financial advice? >> No. >> Did he ever provide you with tax advice? >> No. Did you ever personally receive money from Mr. Epstein? >> No. >> Did Mr. Epstein ever loan you money in your personal capacity? >> Not to my knowledge. >> So to be clear, did you ever exchange money with Mr. Epstein? >> Not that I remember. I don't I don't believe I did. And throughout today's questioning, we Talked about the various properties that Mr. Epstein owned. You

testified to have uh visited the Manhattan townhouse. Is that right? >> Yes, I did go there once. >> And just for clarification, it's been reported and what we've seen from the files from the DOJ, Mr. Epstein decorated his home with creepy and disturbing artwork. Did you notice any unusual as far as his decor at his >> Keep in mind I was only on the First floor, ground floor. I did not see anything like that there in any of the rooms that I saw. >> It's been reported that Mr. Epstein had cameras on his premises. Did

you notice anything any cameras on at the Manhattan townhouse? >> I didn't, but that may have been the whole point. >> Mr. Epste apparently rented a property in Boston at one point. Did he ever Visit that property? >> No. >> Did you ever visit Mr. Epstein's apartment in Paris? >> No. >> Did Mr. Epste or Miss Maxwell ever invite you to his property in Paris? >> No. >> Did you ever visit Mr. Epste's home in Palm Beach? >> No. >> Were you ever invited by Epstein or Maxwell to visit the Palm Beach property? >> I

don't think so. Did you ever visit Gla Maxwell's New York townhouse? >> No, I don't even know that I knew she had a townhouse. I knew about the the only thing that he ever said anything to me about Jeffrey was the New Mexico ranch and I never went there. >> Uh Did he invite you to the New Mexico Ranch? >> Sort of. >> I mean, he was a little, you know, but I didn't go >> by then. I didn't go. >> Was there a reason? >> I don't remember, but I didn't. I think it was

as we got closer to the end that he said something about it. >> Mr. president. In 2005, police in Palm Beach, Florida, began investigating Epstein. In July 2006, Epstein was Arrested for the first time for soliciting prostitution for minors. For the record, prior to Mr. Epstein's arrest, were you aware of any investigation into Mr. Epstein? >> No. >> On October 20th of 2005, police executed a search warrant for Mr. Epstein's Palm Beach, Florida home. Palm Beach Detective Joseph Kerry spoke out about his belief that Epstein was tipped off about the raid since multiple Computers expected

to be at the house were missing when the search warrant was executed. To your knowledge, was Mr. Epstein tipped off about the October 20th search warrant in Palm Beach? >> I don't know. >> I don't know. It's the first I've heard of it. >> They're only asking for your knowledge, Mr. >> Mr. President, did you ever make any kind of attempt to influence the media's coverage of Jeffrey Epstein? >> No. At this time, I'd like to introduce what we've marked as majority exhibit 23. And this is Bates number EFTA 02792895. >> One page. >> Yes.

>> Thank you. >> Who's I don't know who that is. And this is email from Virginia Duprey and Epstein victim that alleged that you walked into Vanity Fair and threatened them not to write sex trafficking articles about your good friend Jeffrey Epstein. Mr. President, is this true? >> No. And no, not no. Hell no. Not close. No. >> Why do you think Miss Juprey would make these claims? >> Are you asking him to have an opinion's point of mind? I just I can we can we not do that? Like asking about the facts that he

knows as opposed to asking about the facts in other people's minds. >> Mr. President, have you ever asked any other publication to shut down a story related to Mr. Epstein? >> No. >> And by any other publication, council, he he's answered the question about Vanity Fair, correct? >> Yes. >> Absolutely. Didn't >> Okay. >> No. Hell no. >> Mr. President, did you ever advocate for or suggest leniency in Absen's case to any government officials, including those in the Department of Justice or Florida State Attorney's Office? >> On June 30th of 2008, Epstein pleaded guilty in

Palm Beach County, Florida State Court to two felony charges, one count of solicitation of prostitution and one count of procurement of a person under 18 for prostitution. He was subsequently sentenced to 18 months in Florida County Jail and began serving his sentence on June 30th of 2008. To be clear, you have not had any direct contact with Epstein after his arrest in 2006. Is that right? >> That's correct. >> After his arrest or after the Publication of of when he went to jail in 2008. Can you just clarify the dates there? >> I will ask

another question. To be clear, you have not had any direct contact with Epstein after his arrest and when he was incarcerated in 2008. >> Yes, to the best of my memory, that's correct. >> Are you aware of any effort by Epstein to contact you while he was incarcerated in Florida? >> I'm not. >> Mr. President, who is Arnold Paul Prosperity? I think that he's a son of a guy I went to Georgetown with named Paul Prosperity. I think that's right. And I I saw in all these things that my staff gave me that he was

mentioned, but I don't think anybody said anything to me. I had no memory of it. So, is it your testimony today that we and actually let me back up here. So, according to jail logs, Mr. Prosperity visited Epstein at least 20 times while Epstein was incarcerated in Palm Beach County jail between 2008 and 2009. Based on what you just said, is it your testimony that you believe that to be the son of the man you went to college with? >> It could be, but he didn't talk to me. Thank you, Mr. President. Uh, last week

Lex Wexner testified that Jeffrey Epstein often named dropped powerful people to give himself an air of credibility. Did he ever do that to you? Brag about people he knew in high places, kings, princes? >> Yeah, he he did a little bit. Okay. Uh going back to what was mentioned earlier About the search warrant on October 20th in Palm Beach for Jeffrey Epstein. U Mrs. Clinton testified yesterday. I think she I think she mentioned that it appears he got a sweetheart plea deal and I don't think anyone on this committee would disagree with that when Alex

Aosta was the US attorney down there and we've already deposed Mr. for Costa and we've got the transcripts, everything. Uh there's a lot of speculation as it been mentioned that That he may have been tipped off prior to the search warrant that Epstein may have been tipped off. Are you aware that whether or not Sandy Burger may have tipped off Jeffrey Epstein? >> The president just testified that he was unaware that anybody had been tipped off. So are you asking him to? >> This explains why I was asked yesterday about him. But no, I don't

I know nothing about that and I wouldn't. >> And Mr. Epstein was indicted by a grand Jury on July 19th, 2006. According to an IRS forum 990 filed by the COQ Foundation, a known Epstein entity, Mr. Epstein donated $25,000 to the William J. Clinton Foundation one day prior to Mr. Epstein's indictment. Are you aware of this donation? >> I know that they told me that the record showed that he'd given $25,000. >> When did you become aware of that, Mr. President? Were you aware of that then Or in preparation? >> No. No. Now. I mean,

when I was preparing for this? >> Yes, sir. Did you solicit that donation from Mr. Epstein? >> Not personally, I didn't know. >> Did someone else solicit it? >> I have no idea. Do you know why Mr. Epstein made that donation? >> He's asking you to speculate about what Mr. Epstein would be thinking. >> We try to raise a fair amount of money every year to pay the bills. It >> It seems to me that as investigators were narrowing in on Mr. Epstein, he may have been trying to earn some goodwill with you. What do

you think about that? >> It wouldn't work. >> Right. Did it ever seem to you that Jeffrey Epstein was trying to suck up to you or get on your good side in order to Further his schemes? >> No, I didn't think about it that way. I thought he wanted to do what he said, >> but he was, you know, very idiosyncratic. >> Right. After his arrest in 2006, did you have any further contact with Mr. Epstein? >> I don't believe I did. No. >> Did anyone affiliated with Epstein, including Mrs. Maxwell contact you on behalf

of Jeffrey Epstein to discuss his Arrest and the allegations against him? >> No. >> Did they ever ask either Jeffrey Epstein or Miss Maxwell ever ask you for their assistance once Epstein was in trouble? >> No. >> Or or once Miss Maxwell was in trouble? >> No. Did Jeffrey Epstein ever attempt to contact you while he was incarcerated in Florida? >> No, >> he didn't attempt ever to contact. >> Not as far as I know. No. >> Yesterday during the uh deposition of of Secretary Clinton, she suggested that we follow the money with that because

there's a big question. How did he accumulate so much wealth? And I think you had testified earlier and if I'm wrong feel free to correct me that you didn't really know how he made his money. I mean he had a had big plane and Uh >> I knew that he had made an extraordinary amount of money from Les Wexner who was quite wealthy. I had no idea whether he had made enough to support the lifestyle that I saw. >> And and I I assume you're aware Mr. Wexner testified under oath that he acted like he

really didn't know Jeffrey Epstein very well and which is kind of hard to believe because he paid him a lot of money and >> Yeah. He made him >> Yeah. >> but you never know. >> Yeah. Well, one of the things when we when concluded the deposition yesterday, we asked Secretary Clinton's, you know, for for her advice moving forward in the investigation and with respect to a statement she said yesterday and was something that we've done on the committee, the the majority has done on The committee uh in the past, we followed the money. We've

we've subpoenaed bank records. We've subpoenaed suspicious activity reports from Treasury. Those were some of the things Miss Clinton suggested. And in order to to do that, obviously we have to subpoena banks, specific banks for specific accounts. Do you ever recall in the conversations you had with Mr. Epstein any particular bank that he was affiliated with or any particular big Banks that me? Maybe he had deals going? >> No, he never asked me about that. >> Okay. And with that, we can go off the record. We can go back on the record. Mr. President, I just

wanted to clarify one thing from the previous round. Our understanding of your testimony today is that with respect to the dinner with Miss Maxwell in Los Angeles, you were not actually sure whether or not that dinner occurred. >> Is that correct? >> Is that correct? >> That is correct. >> Thank you. As we start to close, is there anything you would like to add or clarify about what you've said here today? Well, >> you're good. >> I think we're fine. I u I'm struggling because it's hard to know exactly what I Knew when I knew

it given what I've learned since. It's become a kind of a compelling challenge, but I've tried to tell you what I knew then and when you ask what I think now. I think you have all of you, Mr. Chairman, you've had a a chronologically challenging thing. You've got all the stuff that happened with Jeffrey Epstein, some of it as regards President Trump going back to The late 90s, and that's a long time ago. And then what we learn later, it's it's been difficult, but I have enjoyed it. You've been very respectful to me and given

me a chance to talk to you. >> Well, we thank you for your time. >> I wish you well. I I still will say if you can think of some things to do that will reduce the incidence of trafficking in America. And it should be possible for us to virtually eliminate underage abuse. It should be. We just got to figure out what kind of technology we need and what kind of policies. So, thank you. >> And the answers that you've provided today are to the best of your recollection. Is that correct? Yeah, there the answers

I provided today are what I believed At the time and what I think was in my heart I including about previous testimony. >> Great. Thank you. Unless there's anything else you would like to share, we can go off the record.