Joshua Maponga on African Economics, Politics & Spirituality

We need to change our business and economics and own means of production we need to change our entertainment and our Sports we need to change our health and our technology ultimately we need to change our spirituality and I and I think at an esoteric level every leader every father must have the Moses in them and they must have the lamb in them that's the men of Steel and velvet where order and Grace you know kiss each other constantly you can't just be known as a hard father and to tolerate nonsense no when the toys are

broken the father must kneel down and go and repair the broken toys and when when big things must happen there's a noise outside a father must take his stick and walk outside and protect and then we ask ourselves the basic questions what are they bringing with them when they are colonizing Africa so they colonize you and let me say this one it would be painful but I'll say it are you aware that actually the African liberated the white men no I will explain explain please because it's us Africans who bring Independence in what way we

fight for it like in South Africa like in Zimbabwe like in Namibia we fight for it [Music] welcome to something nice with Dano we are back with a channel favorite Baba Joshua Mar Mong welcome Baba Mong thank you thank you how it's been going so far it's going well uh it's been a very good year for the channel mhm and I've spoken to you from the Inception you are responsible for the growth that we have seen on the channel I'll also take some credit cuz the numbers don't lie yeah the interview we had with you

three hour 3 years ago 2021 I think it was just after lockdown Co days yes it's now at 1.1 million views it's the biggest viewership for Joshua Monga something on YouTube thank you now I'm going to sound like Snoop Dog I want to also thank myself but most importantly you give yourself some flowers at Home who has been supporting the channel I posted something yesterday saying we are hosting again someone said they've been listening on one of the audio Channels a lot of people have been commenting and common amongst the comments our questions about this

book we spoke off air we have agreed that we will do something about the book I will support farmers of thought and by doing so we will get people to win the books on the channel thank you how have you been before I you know my my my intros are somehow very long but I am going to ask us to be I about this question I once called a Friend speaking CL my brother his response is are you really interested in knowing or we do you ask just because you are used to asking let me

ask in a serious way I am not okay I'm not okay as an Oldman looking into the health sector looking into the education sector Looking into the political sector cultural technological space and political space and I feel our people are on the back bus they don't know who is driving the bus ultimately we may have an idea of who is sitting on the steering but as to who is driving the bus where is this bus taking us to are the people in the bus in agreement that this is where we want to go but Politically

or healthwise or education or socially or culturally or the GL Global conversation that they're talking about that this is where Africa needs to be in the global village and have asked the question who be the king in that Village who will be the policeman in that Village what religion will be in that Village how are we going to Bear our children in that Village what would our women be in the village what would the men be but when I look at America and I look at Europe at their idea of what a village looks like

where you're no longer him or you're she you no longer it or that you are no longer and and I'm wondering does this all inclusive Africa village Global Village has to do with extinguishing the African spirit because timately the global village has very little of the African in it it's about the global culture that is being built and there's nothing called Global Culture let's be clear it's American culture it's European culture and while we being dragged here on a leash to join this Global Village I constant so he said how am I I'm not I'm

not okay because I see our politics our health our education our business our entertainment our spirituality our agriculture all of it slowly being eaten away into this plastic synthetic genetically modified culture genetically modified religion genetically modified Spirituality genetically modified education genetically modified governance and I wonder as I sit here in my mature mind I'm no longer a young man in my mature mind and you're asking me how am I I'm not fine I don't think we have the right drivers for the bus I don't think we have on the right bus and I'm not sure

that the destination is where I want to leave my children to go to I know you You are a philosopher and sometimes one needs to be awake when you speak you say you are not well because of all these things you are mentioning but somehow I feel like you are not well because Africa is not well we are where we are we are not well as a people we are not well as the land we are are not well in every aspect you may think of you've been traveling around the continent around the land you've

been Meeting with different people from different spaces different tribes different understandings of who we are what conversations are you having how do we get to realize this Africa that will make you be well to to to be very precise I in in my in my awareness there is a glimpse of light that gives me some excitement it is this Great Awakening that is happening around the continent you don't need to go very Far go on any social media platform and just scroll three times if not twice the third article you're going to be meeting is

some something to say about What Africans are what we must be doing and Etc and it's like a nation that has been sleeping for almost 400 years and in a typical example where you are waking up from your sleep and especially if someone shakes you out of your sleep in that nice deep sleep and someone hey D wake up first thing is that your Ears have heard what has been spoken so you first thing you're going to open up your eyes but when you open open up your eyes your mind is not where your eyes

and body are because it was somewhere very far so in every immediate wake up there is this disillusionment of some sort which in some certain cases it takes seconds to uh move from where the Mind had taken you to and your sleep had taken you to to where you are and when you finally Arrive here you quickly want to scan the place and your eyes will assist you to see where am I and what is happening is there danger and what so in as much as they're asking you the other issues of priority that already

running through your mind when you and when your eyes have confirmed you're safe there's no gun then you look at the person and and and and the similar process is happening to Africa as you waking up as we waking up from this Slumber to realize our environment to size up our friends am I still in the same bank is my wife here are the children here is the house not on fire what's the emergency all about and this Awakening warms my heart warms my heart because for the first time we are starting to win off

the issues of the night and coming into the day and the other day I put a poster out and someone says I don't blame don't blame the Africans Bishop they still call me Bishop by the way don't blame the Africans Bishop blame it on call covid vaccination and that maybe they have metals that have been pushed into our system some of it is actually causing a slight Slumber and particularly to our educated Community which gets so knowledgeable about them and so uneducated about themselves and where they are coming from and then you find that the

whole academic space is built to protect the Very Colonial system that has oppressed us this long and I I think we are in a very exciting moment of African's history where as a generation we will witness in our generation a start off of a meaningful transformation towards an afro centered kind of understanding and I think for today if you tap on me nicely we may just be able to assist others like ourselves you brought up an Adventist I brought up an Adventist third gener Adventist so to speak grandfather father uncles and fourth fourth lucky you

and let me break a bit my great grandfather Richard mock is the first Richard ordained Adventist Pastor in Africa Richard mo mo but somehow somewhere else he might be known as M there are so many things you say and I want to give you time to Speak you say we grow up Adventist third generation fourth generation but we are waking up from our Slumber we are seeing the issues within adventism we are seeing the issues within a western education system we are seeing issues within Western Democratic processes we are seeing issues in a lot of

things there's a movement of decolonialism I don't know what it means I don't know if You understand but somehow I've heard that you happen to be part of that system that's trying to break down these walls that impede us from seeing greater things that we can achieve as African people I don't know we are in a constant transition we are waking up let me make it simpler for you without being borous in words this is your house and whatever happens in this house someone must knock at knock at Your door yes you give them access

you you write the rules in this house what time does the gate Clos Madame helps you yeah to put that order into your estate so there order and I'm and what we are asking for as Africans is that the narrative I gave you the bus illustration the narrative that we are talking about as Africans the question is are we accountable are we responsible are we in charge not only of our children our husbands our wives Our land our education our entertainment our Commerce and business our health are these elements that we speak about extensively which

affect our very livelihood are they Within in our own means of power do we have control are we in charge right now are you can you say as a father that you are in charge of the curriculum that your daughter is studying at school I am not and I'm hearing the other day the stuff they are teaching them there at school You take a whole academic institution to teach my child sex to teach them sex and how to accommodate gays and lesbians you are not e you're them you're them you're what you're that when Chinese

people are teaching their children how to make these things you are busy teaching our children sex what career are you building on sex workers so wa something small and fundamental as education if you as a parent is not Involved directly in determining the quality of Education that is going to and yet you're paying for it you have to pay for that you have no power over what goes on your screen on your TV screen but you must pay DStv you have no power of what goes in your body yet you must pay your medical Aid

you have no power of what goes on in your policies of land and Etc yet you're paying for politics and taxes and when you look at an African being in the Midst of a conversation and he is a footnote on the paper where he's supposed to be the subject he appear somewhere at the bottom there somewhere at the bottom there as a means of reference or by the way we're in Africa and what are these African and when you hear even our politicians talking about Africans they're not human beings they're the Indigent the poorest of

the poor the disadvantaged and you listen to this and says how do you then Ask us as the poorest of the poor and yet power relies with us you want us to vote for you but immediately you have a time to write a speech and speak about Africa you're not addressing us as the prime citizens of your existence as a leader you have you first have to address the markets or appease the market the market is the poorest of the poor listen Google put a clip 6 s 10 people politicians talking and all of Them

you hear them mentioning the Indigent the unbankable the poor is of the poor these are the Africans and yet these are the stakeholders the owners of the very narrative that you're talking about so even our politics does not respect his people they only come for votes I like the analogy of being in the state of waking up I think you are saying it has stages your eyes see your ears hear your Mind is trying to process because it's coming from another space as a people as a person I understand as a people how do we

conscientise each other to say guys we are now becoming aware we are awake we are a woke which is a term they don't want on on the onset it it it must be it must be mentioned that uh the condition of of of waking up is Business it it distorts and destabilizes number of institutional already gathered information because things have been running like this and someone always benefits from your foolishness someone will always be cashing in on your sleeping habits someone is making money out of your spaces of not knowing I mean for for for

example you you wake up in the morning and you discover you are a Prince you you're royalty and you've been paying Taxes to someone and for the first time when that knowledge of who you are strikes you how many other businesses are going to be dist stabilized within the present space which has been taking advantage of you and and I think the colonial system is a bit agitated and through religion business and and political systems they're trying by all means to make sure that these this group of black people don't wake up As fast before

they smuggle as much as they want to their own corner and truly so because life is about making profit so it it should be understood that as uh as as Malcolm X and Martin Luther put it that freedom will never be donated by those who are oppressing you the one who is oppressed needs to take it if not possible take it by force because it's it's not it's comfortable to have a slave and they have a servant and they have people that you can just Click your finger and they run and one morning you wake

up and your slave say oh sorry sir actually you are the slave I'm not the slave yes so it it it is economically challenging to see the African wake up it will cost the colonial system quite quite some money it will cost our academic institutions quite some money it will cost our pharmaceutical organization and Co did us the best of all favors when all of a sudden the African who are supposed to collapse and die and there we are here we are healthy and well and how do you think the pharmaceutical company that had calculated

a 35 billion profit on selling these vaccines and they discover Africans don't need as much of them as they do for some reason I'm not a scientist I've been fighting with people on these platforms on the issue of covid fought with a doctor from my church from back home but before we did The interview you asked for some time to be in the sun if you remember before Co started they had said Africa would be the hardest hit somehow Africa was the least hit by this thing is it the Sun is it because we spend

a lot of our time out there this is not a structured conversation it's going to be all over the place our melanated skin and the abundance of vitamin D and the influenza that they were talking about it can be healed and cured within those elements Of the Sun an alkaline diet and you know the healthful living of the Africans and I should say we were fortunate if not lucky if not blessed to have been in a place where there's a most sun and I think they mistimed this thing if Africa was this Frozen State maybe

they would have hit us but I think the the ra the ra the sun ra worked in our favor and it must have been a shock to to their own boots to think the people are going to die actually survived More you talk about Malcolm X you talk about Lumina let me call them that that were not too far from where we are but they have been talking there were guys like G there were guys like Fon there are people likei there are people like Monga there are people like lumumba the one that they eliminated

there's a lumumba right now in Kenya he's speaking there's a Mal there's a zum we have been talking bab but we Somehow find ourselves in the same type of situation you know what frustrates me as a parent is thinking that whatever struggles I might have gone through my child my child will go through and it somehow keeps me awake at night I'll make it simpler for you CH I'll call him Channel just for the purpose of the conversation we have an option two options only not more than that I'm Giving you two options only option

one it is The Luminaries direction we as luminaries are Servants of Peace we bring words we we speak to Consciousness common sense and sin but this is not a permanent state of the African Child the second level when words are not heard 90 years for South Africa to be liberated 40 50 years 60 years for Namibia to be liberated 20 years for Zimb to be liberated talking talking ultimately when you look at what language does the colonial system understand do they understand Worth or do they understand violence the latter comes with collateral both to our

people and to the enemy that is at hand and for some of us that's what's holding us back because I know right now should I begin a movement and say let us gather African youth let's meet in bukina Faso let's meet in Mali let's meet in mosambi can we not meet in South Africa let's meet in Congo you're not ready in South Africa let's meet in Congo and silence the war that is in Congo we will have young people there we will lose some of them but the battles can start before so if if words

my mother had a proverb by the way when I was young says if you can't hear through your ears say it in the in the language that You if you can't hear what I'm saying to you through your ears then you might have to use another form of ears which is your skin she's telling you I'm going to beat you up see this is why I like this African Proverbs saying they they go beyond and if the white men if the white man cannot hear that the black man is not happy and you cannot hear

that that we want clean water you can't hear that and 60% of South African water is in White Farmers we want land you can't hear that we want true Freedom you can't hear that we want to own the banks you can't hear that we want to own insurance companies you can't hear that who want own universities you can't hear that then what happens is that what one generation fails to hear through their ears the next generation will hear through their skin and white people will be foolish to leave their children and grandchildren with these issues

Unresolved you can hold on to those Farms enjoy it but I can tell you darly I can tell you one generation these children of yours who will wake up who will ask who is Mandela who is Oro who is gav Beck and they don't know them and their question is simple where is our land they will butcher these white kids like sardines and it will happen because one generation did not hear the conversation Of The Luminaries was saying here fith point us to the African approach when it comes to our issues our problems and just

how we should navigate through life there's a there's a very nice illustration that you you like with a stick you don't have that stick you've got a bigger stick I don't know if this one is I can still use goes beyond that one yes okay I think it will be visible in that white camera I can still use This one okay I can still use this one for the purposes of the conversation I'll make this one one the white part mhm I'll make this one two two the brown part I'll make this one three and

I'll make this one four the silver part again so let's call this the the the East mhm let's call this the South mhm let's call this the North and let's call this the West okay so the West South Northwest so the the the West is holding Us by our heads in terms of the quality of our thinking so fitting the color and white the the north with their industrialization and Legacies of the historicity of colonization and a beautiful part here it is the South which is the great woman the birth of all mankind and this

is the East with their technology the silver part so we can still work out this and I think so China is producing the Machinery the cars the cell phones all the things you Aspire material and Africa is the great mother the mother of mankind Al Kean in here fullness at the center of it in the greatest part in the historical part of ourselves then the North and then the West now when you process this I call this a benchmarking tool because it's telling you it's telling you to think globally and act locally you need to

understand how are they thinking in then West how are they thinking in the north how are we thinking in the South how are they thinking in the East who is the god in the East who is the god in the South who is the god in the north who is the god in the west what are their medicines what are their medicines what are their medicines who owns land in the East who owns land in Africa who owns land in the north who owns land in what are they educating their children with what are they

so you could actually take any Subject and sit in a park by yourself and process a thousand thoughts piig a subject Could Be Fashion religion could be weddings could be religion I love religion our audience loves religion could be health and Technology could be anything and then before you even go very far and you get yourself and and many of the young people who watch me I don't think theyve been able to upgrade their software to to think with me before you even start asking and Arguing about as Africans Africans think globally what are they

doing in the East what are we doing in the South what are they doing in the north what are they doing in the what is their democratic system governance agriculture education are you saying this why we keep trying to wake up and be because we are not being who we are the very system that we Are dealing with which was built to stay already comes with those structures and I wish people can go to my next book that I've actually done entitled African questions and African Solutions okay we only have two here so far I

have the third one that is now available called African questions and African Solutions and in those in in that volume now I begin to work at the Seven Pillars of the structure of colonization and how the African can now work around that so That we need to understand the system we need to understand the monster and then we see how best can we navigate ourselves to restructuring it or creating parallel systems that can then create an African sustainable Africa that we want how is it governed how is it educated how is it entertained how does

it treat itself give us some bites some nuggets from questions and answers for African questions and African Solutions solution we pick up those uh Seven Pillars and look at a colonial system coming to colonize the African people and then we ask ourselves the basic questions what are they bringing with them when they are colonizing Africa so they colonize you and let me say this one it would be painful but I'll say it are you aware that actually the African liberated the white men no I will explain explain please because it's us Africans who bring Independence

in what way we fight for it like in South Africa like in Zimbabwe like in Namibia we fight for it and after we fight for it we liberate even the white man from his own bigotry he was not able to live freely in a country where he was in power until the African fights him on his system and liberate him him from his own mindset the South Africans right now the white South Africans who are here are even worried why did we fight so much when what all Black people wanted was just was just z

z and SP us and Spar us we did not need to go through that 90-year battle because Africans did not want more but the question is did the African not want more because he had more or the afan knew that he could have much more but he only has for Less that's a question so he we are saying we are free and we are independent in South Africa but we know The Monas the elephant in the room da cannot talk about thatc cannot talk about that PA cannot talk about that action sa cannot talk about

M and something nice withano are here to talk about let's talk that is land that is land you make so many connections to how the land gives us a lot you you you've said somewhere that it is very important for you to sometimes just take off your shoes go there minister of Agriculture is land Minister of Housing is land minister of water is land minister of Tourism is land minister of forestation is land minister of mining is land minister of power and energy is now tell me which Ministry have I left out Ministry of sports

and entertainment is land we going to put the stadiums in the sky so you cannot even begin to talk about a government That does not have land because without land go home because whoever owns the land owns the politics we are talking there were ones before us who were talking I'm getting tired of talking I'm on a podcast or we talk CU we're trying to bring this solution can we move past talking what are some of the solutions you speak to in African questions and Solutions I don't know maybe I could continue to say for

True liberation of the African you you're a young man then I will be kind with you in and you a fine young man who who has been kind to me so I will not be cruel in my dealing with you I'll be polite the two types of Wars everyone of us particular those who have been exposed to military training okay must go through the first battle is the Battle of the generals battles of the Kels and the lieutenants where we wake up every morning and we go to a room with sticks underneath our armpits and

that battle is fought on the maps Okay on the ground we all come there we put our artilleries and soldiers in me in uh trophies or small little toys then we push strategize yeah push those things and we think how best are we going to sometimes takes one year sometimes 2 years sometimes 3 years sometimes 5 years strategy and tactics Thinking and looking at the Battleground where are the rivers where does the wind blow from where are the resources where is water if this is blocked then how do we work if this and we think

through the battle by the time you see a general walking out from that room with a date when the first strike will now happen where the common Soldier is told pick up your guns shoot you don't ask what but we have thought about it you know the work has been put in we will be foolish As your leaders if we should become impetuous and impatient to say let's go fight the white men no dadly 60% of your water right now is sitting on white Farmers if you should desire to fight the white man and he

drops drops of cyanide in your very Tis of water how many South Africans are going to die in this battle do we even have a contingency we don't even control the food Logistics you talk about the Farms what if they poison those Farms what are Going to have another 150 years of resuscitating the ground so the thinking for me is important your health systems you're all depending on Pharmaceuticals and tablets which they're giving you to drink for crying out loud and so when we talk about talking about talking is not just a cosmetic thing we

hope that we can begin to develop African leadership that can eat into the system create parallel systems of Agriculture indigenous Agriculture and food Indigenous healing methods start going back to your rural homes bring up your own balls feed your own water and unless we think through the system I'll be stupid as a leader amongst your generation to tell the young people let let's go and fight and I know I'm leading all of you to a death W you are not ready do we have such leaders you you keep talking about leadership do we have such

such leaders that we can trust to take us through this strategy and Tactics of War we lost the the we we had leaders but we lost leadership particularly in South Africa 1994 because I think in 1994 the white man was r ready to be pushed out of power and they did not have enough time to strategize and clean up we lost the plot we went into lots of talks went into lots of poems went into lots of uh conversations songs South Africa we love you and and now the enemy that we had 20 years ago

Has metamor metamor yeah metamorphosis has changed his metamorphosis into another monster and for your own information African and white people train their children how to use guns every weekend all these farms in R and back f p TRS and what in urania is a culmination space that tells us that we can do what we want in your country and if orania is AOW in South Africa then why is stopping it's become a bargaining tool for the Freedom front plus by the way in their negotiations on the if if if Chief and the King Miss says

I want Kulu natal as another Oria do you have a problem as South Africans because when a white man does it it's self determination when an Zulan does it it's tribalism if it's white it's right if if it's white it's selfdetermination it's preservation of the Africana culture Which is being threatened in South Africa so apparently the africanas are the only ones who have a right of preserving if sisai where I'm from they say we also are tired of this urania thing we also want our CIS orania in sisai and course says we want ours says

I want mine vendor says I want mine andana says I want so maybe the tribal homesteads the homelands that we destroyed during 1994 maybe orani has just come back to tell us that it was not such a bad idea at all then vendor collect your resources there develop yourself as much and this is what the educated a South African does not want to talk about you cannot be dealing with white people with silver cotton gloves and then they deal with each other with arrogance how are we how do you organize ourselves now we're going back

to history because I think it's important that if we want to Move forward let's understand where we come from how did we organize ourselves as in I don't want to say tribes is CL Clans clans back in the day did we separate would would would amul be in their own enclaves and not want to be part of we needed to appreciate number one that we throw away all the borders just firstly before we even go into that thing we just need to pull out that and I've I I put a a Status this morning that

I said how can 10 15 men in the Berlin Conference the Congo conference yeah make a decision which 54 presidents and 1.2 billion people cannot reverse no 10 people with Leopold as the chairman they sit around and they make a ruling of how Africa will be divided and right now we're 54 presidents they've never met very evil man but somehow no one says a lot about Leopold but we always hear about Hitler leop who massed People in the DRC cut off their hands said something that was very interesting what makes the Jews more resilient than

Africans is that they Jews every day three times a day I saw like medication they remind their kids like medic sometimes two times sometimes even before you go to sleep they will always remind themselves who are their enemies and their children and they only don't just talk about their enemies they also Talk about how their enemies must pay to date Germany or Namibia Namibia no not Namibia or Israel oh yes they all them money they paying those billions of dollars they also owe Namibia they' have not even started talking about it Germany is actually running

around that the all Zimbabwe also they killed 18 of our kings that right now being used as trophies in British museums England o us when you look at our history if our history does not tell our story if our History is not our history it is his story his story then constantly we going to be remaining thinking that these people are our friends when Da and andc come together sou Africans feel like no it's progress it's a it's it's a better thing for us to do but hey man just look at your enemy they've changed

clothes but they're still the same I always ask can we have Unity without equality there's no Unity without sovereignity there's no Unity without Respect true unity and Independence Independence must not be dependence Independence must sovereignity where each one of us I'm coming back to your question where you asking how did we organize ourselves we organized ourselves because within the they knew that amongst them each one of these houses were linked up to the great Royal House you come to the Zulu which became great Empire that Shaka buil but within the Zulu corner and they made

up this Royal house and even in the Royal sitting itself you find that each one of those Clans is actually represented same thing to the shaa and the Kanga tribes you Kangas you will actually have the Royal house but that is attached but in many cases like in the ancient Kanga tribes Zoro meaning that royalty we share so in this season it is the shumas running in another season it is the kan's running in Another season it is the show running in another season then here and there you find greedy greediness where one family says

no we cannot share power then then Wars would break out on that so we we we had a consultative a communal consultative model where the entire Community set at and each one of us I love the Uganda model by the way where you have the 12 160 Clans and each one of them is linked to the vanda vanda Kingdom others their job is simply to Make the cloth for the Royal House others are responsible for the food of the king they Farmers others are responsible for the cattle and the skins for the king others are

responsible for the lands of the king so that you don't have a useless tribe within the kingdom each one of them and there such skills development within those Clans settings have to do with developing the very skill so you find that if you want the best headsman if you want the best Tailor if you want the best medicine people if you want the best child birth whatever and so each Clan develops itself and its children so you cannot wake up in the morning and say hey what do you want to be when you grow up

you know what your trade or your special purpose your purpose is written in your DNA of your history understand your history and you don't have to look for a profession you already me for examp do Tots now there you go what does it what does it say Min of iron or and those that Forge it into instruments already in my tribe I and I I did not understand why I have this interest of always beating up things and fixing but it flows in my system you share the totem with the Kings themselves we are the

kings of the great monab Empire so and and knowing yourself therefore is not is not counting your Fingers is learning the Tombstones of your grandfathers and your ancestors and know what skills were embedded in them those very same skills flow in your Bloodlines so we come together in thisas I don't know if we still have think tanks we come together in these we identify and we know our strengths and we go out together with our strengths with our gifts to build na towards a common cause The na that's nation building even in some certain spaces

you find that there are some tribes that produce Warriors just the these are the these are the swords men who it's it's in build then you find others that were actually the The Magicians stuff cooking things you call these people they they are your they they will build your your resilience your medicines and Etc then you find and another one they're just The Poets The Poets who have you heard some of those Zulus and Dees people singing those things even the closer people is that normal that you could be talking for the and they don't

write it n it's it comes there and it's in your bloodline it's in your bloodline and you you look at these superb skills I think R&B and rap music found found found itself late in my former life I was a rapper I want to go to this thing of cooking thing you know always go back to Where we come from as Adventists some of us grew up not even believing those things well we know but I I want to go to a recent incident that happened to me yeah at FNB I was working there uh

last year November 4th my car got jammed but in the police statement I was so sure that I saw a white Corolla I wrote it down luckily for me I managed to find footage Cuz I was pked to one of these V someone KN no no no they they jammed the car and they got access with their remote mechanism so they stole stuff yeah but I had written in my affidavit that I saw a white Cora I viewed the footage there was no white Cora there there was a car a silver Polo that looks like

mine and I'm trying to think no could these guys have used is it just a matter of My Mind Playing Tricks of I'm just saying it in Passing I know some of us grw up not even believing in these things I always want to go back when I have a conversation with you I always want to go back to matters of religion spirituality consciousness of a I was telling you about a song that I listen to people for those who don't understand it makes reference to ancestors she says and I not alone I am with

my grandmothers no C my Great grandparents there's nothing you can do to me try me and then he goes on I was saying to you I don't believe in walking with ancestors and all these things but somehow the song evokes Something in Me it speaks to my's go together and I feel guilty I've done this a thousand times I'll never get tired of doing it show me your hands my CH your hands so you need four grandparents on your left hand side grandparents that Produce that was a intro to our first video by the way

your mother yeah that produce your father okay H dead mom as you're speaking I'm trying to think how far back I go I don't know them the two come together mhm there's the door to the first diamond sign you find on our traditional heads door to what to life and mothers are the door to our lives and this is how we make it through this Earth we come through this this is The genitality of the woman yes that gives us access so when you begin to understand and as a song it's not just a song

and this unfortunately for Christianity you don't know this but your doctors know that that's why they ask you do you have a history of this do you have a history of this do you have a history of this because they actually understand that if there were sicknesses or diseases abnormalities and challenges that were In your ancestral line they could have filtered themselves so for real even you are not even the hair falling on your head there is someone here who had that the nose that you have yes there is some if we were lucky to

resurrect your ancestors maybe just two three generations and cure them over there and their brothers and their uncles and their aunties are you aware that we actually look at all of them and See pieces of yourself you know we take pride in these things I guess it's it's it's us being human a friend of mine saw a picture of my daughter and she was you know you hear it and you're like yeah you know for some of usur you can't miss this okay you can't miss this you can't miss this big big big blacksmith's hands

yes it's a treadmark yeah so so that we when we say we are saying for you to be here that's why in Zulu we greet and say so Oh you are going to somewhere now greed all of them why does this make us uncomfortable as Christians why why don't we want to delve into Who We Are Who We Are is not who we are here who we are is where we come from and those that brought us here and we we are here we not to be massaging Colonial you keep calling methew 1 Matthew does

not mix his words when he gives us the genealogy of the Messiah I don't even want to go back into that history which I could do laboriously I want us to come to a man who is blind by the name of bimus and bartimus comes to yahwah yuwa and he says Jesus Jesus Son of David have mercy on me I'm a theologian so I'll step back a little bit why would you address him as a son of David why don't you say Jesus have mercy on me why mention David but You won't appreciate that until

you go back and find out who is David what gin in David should be available in Jesus so that Jesus must do for bmas what David did for mefiboset now mefiboset is the son grandson of Saul who is the son of Jonathan who fell on the back of an aunt going to LBA and when David is in power he says Is there anyone from the house of Saul but I can show mer and they looked around and they found meibos broken legs on his crutches and the black book says and he ate on the table

of David all the rest of his lives and when bimus calls on Jesus he does not address him in his mental state in the present he addresses him in the psychology of his gen his ancestors even if in your body you don't feel like Doing it but the ancestors that way here before you got here they have done this thing so dig in yourself and find healing for me now when you don't understand why sometimes we behave the way we behave we become good we become compassionate we become loving we become kind even in common

sense does not allow and sometimes even some of us I wonder how did I do that why did I do that I didn't have to do that but ancestors were once in this space And through ancestral memory you can connect to that pain it evokes something in you and causes you to do something that at the end of we did I do that yes you did it but not that you thought about doing it but because your system and your body is actually moving you're making me emotional we are not just ourselves as we behave

as ourselves we also be even when it comes to marriages or relationships what makes you find This person to be the right partner for you it's only that we are not privileged with the information if you could look into them and find out what features do they have that speak to you in some certain cases You' even be shocked if I can tell you on your boots that the person you are staying with you met each other at another time at another place at another environment at another timeline and here you are again talking Together

as husband and wife in the present where where are you getting this I want to call it knowledge but because of my background I keep going back to my background I I won't call it knowledge where are you getting this information because it's not information that I have understanding of because of my upbringing in the Adventist Church which we both grew up in you you are the one one who is evoking me to to talk so I I will do downloads for you even in The present I don't have to to shake my head I

don't have to go that route you can be spiritually connected without manifesting things so yes you will be able when you sit down and you listen to your spirit and conscience that your mind and spirit can actually lead you into the archive of information which I'm now able to do unfortunately why is it unfortunate because it sounds funny unless unless your spirit picks it up like you have And then you notice no this is no longer ordinary data this is this is not book information this is you know I once I'm going to put my

father on the spot here I've I've I've said this to him I when I was growing up I think I was about around the age of five I don't know if I would call them hallucinations but to also protect him amongst the Believers I think he only accepted Christ around 1986 but I remember I think this incident of mine happened around 1985 I was taken to a woman I call a so so-called colored woman in somewhere there where we live I call place called Pride I remember the the incident was quite yeah and then I

was given something like a pillow that I was supposed to we here this thing had a very strong comfor smell you know comfor I don't know what comfor does I've recently asked my dad About it so like what was that all about now on my mother's side of the family there was this old lady you know they talk but I won't say how she used to call me but she used to call me she used to put me on a lab I don't know if it was that thing but I always go back to that

moment and I know the intervention that my parents took is not an intervention that they would have Probably taken today and I always ask myself why and somehow after that incident I don't remember ever having these things so I asked explained it in such a way that no that woman I don't know she could put together some things so this was a det sort of thing to protect you life is not as physical as we deem it to be life is dimensions of mental interactions emotional interaction physical interactions but I Think very little is known

about the spiritual interactions but as we close our eyes every night we all move away from the mind we all move away from the body both Christian and unchristian we all move away from the emotion we all move into spaces which are totally spiritual some people have eaten there and they vomited this side some people have been beaten by snakes there and they've woken up with scars of their bodies some people Have been initiated there and they've come back here has totally different creatures some people by the way have died there and they didn't come

back in the morning so when you are begin to speak about issues of reality reality is not only what we are experiencing right now there are more dimensions of reality even beyond what we can process and for parents in our traditional African space to be able to Understand the Realms of spiritual interactions and how to protect their children you using some of those methodologies only those who are more modern and may want to look at that is sarcasm and say it didn't work but here you are as evidence that whatever they did worked and as

such you would find people like Elisha and and I'm and I'm saying this uh Deni with a deep understanding of the Misunderstood biblical text where Elisha Would tell Neon who is full of leprosy and he wants to enter his house at I no no no you can't come into my house can you please go to the river there and bath yourself and you'll be well and a man will F now if we start talking about telling a person to go to the river and bath his witchcraft but even Jesus himself the mud the he went

he went to Jordan to be baptized by is a place of healing and neon goes There gets healed as if people put it Jesus makes his saliva and dust and heals another person and he P himself takes off his handkerchief gives other people they walk around other people and they touch them and the people were healed which part of this are we misunderstanding when Moses could raise up his stick and the the waters would part you touch stones and Waters will be sped out how do we fail to understand the Moses raises his hands and

the armies they win how do we fail to understand the text that is full of such paranormal Behavior paranormal Behavior which we call Miracles and yet in our own lives we demonize all these things as if they were evil we infect our African culture and I've said this and I'll say it again Den the culture that understands these things Are the honors of the text if the black book says your brother has died go and sleep with his wife and please continue his generation find me a nation on the face of Africa that understands that

culture when you find them they are the owners of the text which culture is that find me a culture that says h IL ball here has Some cows and goats and money go and get a wife for my child find me that culture you've been around I've only been in this country which cultures are these I'm pulling I'm taking you somewhere you can tell where I'm taking you if you find them they are the owners of the text so we cannot wait for white people who don't even have and totems to tell us about the

history of God how can they tell us about the lion of Judah when you don't even know Is I think we are moving somewhere you've you've met one of my kids my daughter here she was watching one of the interviews we've had and she says this man looks like Jesus you know I was so it it it excited me when she saw Jesus okay in can say Yeshua saw Jesus in me in you wow that's that's that's that's very interesting but but she's she's young and what she sees and how she processes that maybe who

knows maybe that's what she has dreamed about maybe That's what she has seen even in the midst of so much whitening of Jesus and the pictures of Jesus for her to be able to look at the black face and identify a messiah structure it can only speak to the innocence of her spirit and what she actually may may conceptualize as what the picture of hey Jesus should look like I want to say let's wrap it up because I've been keeping you here for long and I Was preparing and I I really Apologize for your time

but I can't let you go without speaking to one of the most most powerful sermons I've heard from you it was very recent you at Kelvin SDA Church you were talking around I think it's Revelation 3 or revelation s you were talking about and in Theon you also spoke of God's forgiving nature you spoke of the song of Moses which is the law and then you spoke of the song of the Lamb Which is Christ's forgiving and Redemptive nature do you remember that sermon am I taking you to a space that you'd rather not be

in can we can we can we tap into that I I would I would get in there and I think the passage gets me excited on chapter 7 when you start off from uh around verses 1 through to9 where and I saw the 144,000 that's the one uh 12,000 from the family of Simon from family of Judah Naali and the the list goes on and then towards verse 9 it says and I saw the great multitude from every Kindred from every language from every tongue and every nation and that passage in it terms of its

context it's all in the apocalyptic it's all in the paria is in the life within the kingdom itself and for the black book to deliberately go to length to mention Nationalities tribes languages and tongues I found that quite profound because then I said our identity on Earth if it is still recognizable within the kingdom then why are we embarrassed of it when we are still this side in other words M tribe languages and T but why is it that here in the shadow of the paria these Clans languages Tribes and cultural expressions are deemed as

evil when God in his righteousness post the second coming still will recognize us as languages tribes tongues and people and so that was the crack of the message by the time we went on into Moses and the lamp it was now comparisons between the visible and the invisible the law part the grace part the system the institution and the spiritual part and the song of Moses and The lamb becoming the song of we need a correct combination of leadership and sacrifice and I and I think you at an esoteric level every leader every father must

have the Moses in them and they must have the lamb in them that's the men of Steel and velvet where order and Grace you know kiss each other constantly you can't just be known as a hard father tolerate nonsense no when the toys are are broken the father must Kneel down and go and repair the broken toys and when the when big things must happen there's a noise outside a father must take his stick and walk outside and protect so it it was a seron I think coming from a very beautiful space we was comparing

the mixture the correct mixture of love and grace power and understanding I think this is where we should end it but as I did last time I'm going to ask you to speak to the children of Africa the different Tribes languages Kindred shades of melanin from the lightest to the darkest like your hands we are talking we have been talking it's time for us to move to a different space we are now awake some of us are but we still find ourselves in the same position but we are concerned we do not want our children

to experience what we experienced we are Africans not because They call us Africans we are Africans because we are born on this land we have our history in this land we have our future on the this land and we until we know what killed our forefathers it will kill us also knowledge of our history and our past will give us knowledge of our enemies in the present and be able to Forge a new future for ourselves the talking that you're talking about is happening because people have not yet understood what needs to be changed we

need to change the systems of governance we need to change the curriculums of Education we need to change our Agriculture and the quality of food that we are eating we need to change our business and economics and own means of production we need to Change our entertainment and our Sports we need to change our health and our technology ultimately we need to change our spirituality these Sant steps that I've given you must be a daily routine when you look at your plate of food you must see colonization when you look at the tablet that you're

drinking you must see colonization when you are going to the bank you must see colonization and until another generation comes that understands how the colonial system was Structured will keep on fighting and exchanging hyas with foxes and wondering why the ship keep on disappearing for Africa as a whole we want to make a call an Awakening call that let us look backwards and then we'll be able to see the future that is sanova for we are a great nation and we don't have to wait for other people to affirm us as to who we are

and part of our future slips in our past until we know who we are they will Define for us as to Who we must become and they will keep constantly make us footnotes footnotes on a narrative where we must be subject we need new political leaders we need new Bankers we need new Educators who can use their knowledge systems to rewrite a new narrative for the African continent my name is until you meet again May the ancestors of the land the spirit of the great continent of Africa reside with you