Secrets of Channel 4’s Hunted & Who Is ‘Dr Showbiz’?

[Music] hello and welcome to this episode of the resters entertainment questions and answers Edition I'm Marina Hyde and I'm Richard Osman lots of questions for you although something terrible just happened which is our producer Joey was just on the phone saying oh youve got the pizzas have you oh yeah know just send them in and we thought we were getting pizza but actually it was on like a ring doorbell for the go hanger offices and they're getting pizza I've been crushed really quite badly in the last few minutes so I want to apologize if I'm

just sound a bit morose listening to two people who thought briefly they were about to get some Ed Pizza we were so excited yeah anyway listen that's the that's by The Bu isn't it it is by the by many have written in with suggestions of other things that are annoying them that they're seeing in uh TV dramas or movies your movie cliches last week and TV cliches because there are quite a lot a few of these ones this is a good one Luke anderton says over enthusiastic throngs of reporters caring about relatively mundane crime cases

yes there's not even enough money to cover anything other than the most high-profile crime cases Ben has written and this is this is an an junked to that but he's 100% right he says main characters answering the phone saying are you watching this finding the remote immediately switching on the TV directly to the news and catching the story developing at an important part of the exact same bulletin or report that the caller is talking that's a really good one and that's been going on for years I mean you sort of I mean you slightly have

to a little bit you know it has to you have to put your Exposition somewhere and you know if you can get Krish and Guru mury to stand in front of the Courts of justice and do it for you then why not but yeah yeah or like local news and they they're literally just talking about you know someone's lockup garage have you seen that have you seen that yeah it's on the news about I get it although the local news is obviously by Far and Away the top rated show on the whole of British television

but by a million that's another thing we should we should always talk about I'm I'm just saying they wouldn't do thing about a lockup garage yeah more important things to be talking about which is why their ratings are so high they absolutely are okay Alice Emanuel says curtains always open at night time this is a big one I will feel very odd when I'm watching that you feel like well of course you are supposed to be slightly like the criminal Voyer as you're looking through yeah I remember like walking down a row of houses once

but five or six years ago it was it was dark must have been winter it was dark and there were three or four different houses that were all I could see their curtains weren't closed and they were all watching pointless and I thought I'm going to go up and just bang on the window but of of course I didn't but people do leave their curtains open I think you know I think people don't think that they can be because they can't see out no but you know that's not how physics Works no is it physics

yeah it's physics isn't it light and stuff yes yeah yes well I mean probably hold off doing the science spin-off of this show okay let shall we get on to some questions Katherine Thompson has a question for you Marina do people still create DVD commentaries for movies or is that drifted off along with DVD sales can you watch a film with Glenn pal narrating what it was really like to be in a twister well you know how to get my attention Catherine that's so clever yeah mentioning Glen pal in a question Glen pal in any

question in case I haven't mentioned in that week it's interesting DVD sales are not doing as badly as you think they are and there are a number re of reasons for this and certainly things like Blu-ray and special editions 4K stuff this is a bit of a I'm beginning with a bit of a sidebar which isn't right but people really don't like in lots of ways how the platforms serve up these films and they've been edited or the sound's been messed up we've talked about the sound mixing before and how they kind of mess it

up when they put it on the platforms platforms so people really like if they're going to watch it lots and lots of times you were told it was be infinite choice but actually people don't like the versions of the films um that are often on the the streaming platforms and so lots of people actually do still buy Blu-ray and 4K and and they also they also like to own it right and in video download and in digital rental that's actually had an optic last year however however there is a however it does take a certain

amount of the actor's time and the director's time and the studios used to pay people to pay the actors and the directors to do this but the DVD commentary was really big because don't forget they made so much money of DVD sales and movies could not be successful really and then you make it all back off the DVDs there was a period of very films are making the money medians were making oh my God people like the office Ricky and um I me Ste merch milons Millions upon Millions it was an Absol there was a

very short boom time where if you sold the sale of DVDs people just became incredibly Rich for you were yeah Peter K or as you say Ricky or Steven or something in those years it was an absolute Bonanza or even if you were like a bit pop player on the office you know that that absolutely kept doing houses movies failed at the box office it didn't matter because you always made it back on the DVDs anyway so they used to pay the talent to do them basically but so I'm watching Good Fellas on I don't

know where it's streaming currently in the UK but they don't have any of that director's compy they don't have any of those things that they used to have the streaming platforms don't buy those things and you can't get them and the thing about this they were really popular they're sort of lost they will become lost artifacts cuz people absolutely love them I actually spoke to a couple of people who work one person who works in cinematography and one person who is a director who said I couldn't afford to go to film school and I learned

on the job but I learned so much from watching DVD commentaries 100% And I learned such a lot you know because you could there were lots of bits that you or I if we might not be hugely interested in cinematography didn't watch but people did watch those bits yeah and if you hear Martin Scorsese or you know edar Wright or someone just talking you through a shot you will learn more more than it's just it's Priceless so there some directors really understood this because they understood that so many people in their industry didn't have the

money to go to film schools and things like that and learn a lot from these things and started putting them on personal websites and telling you when to hit play so you can watch the DVD commentary you know like a really analog version there's some great podcast as well yeah but the studios don't give those things to Netflix because or whoever's streaming them because they still sell DVDs and it's interesting actually the sales of DVDs is down but is very it's still very very strong I went to a shop but not in London recently and

they had miles and miles of all the series you've just seen on TV in DVD form and they they sell well um they I I think they went went down sort of two or three or 4% last year but they still sell very well and they do make money off them but I do think those commentaries are slightly becoming lost artifacts and people are trying to sort of save them in any way they can because you learned a lot from them and you learn a lot about the film and the time that they used to

spend doing those sorts of things so it was always like you'd film something and then you'd know that like a month afterwards you go in and do the director's commentary or you know the fifth anniversary one came out and you did a different director's commentary now if you go on to any film set any TV set pretty much anytime we've got 10 minutes someone from the socials I was just about to say is coming along saying could you do a little thing where Timothy shalam is going to read out tweets and they're either about you

or him and the two of you have to guess or Glen Powell has got some American snacks and Tom Hardy's got some British snacks and they're going to try this can you just try the snacks the two of you and it's just it's just for socials so your entire life is spent having to do short little clips for Tik Tok or Instagram and you know the the days when you and that takes all the oxygen of the time that you would have talked about other things yeah where the craft where you could be talking about

the craft of your movie and you know works pretty well when it works but that's the real sort of Lake of mediocrity that that's that's going to be dredged in 10 20 years time is all of those social media stunts for films that didn't work yeah and you'll look back and just go wow just the the sort of Hope in the eyes of these people who are eating a banana for the first time the waste of human endeavor the absolute waste of human endeavor but when it's just two actors are thinking I could be in

my winner Bago now yeah and instead I'm having to eat what sits yeah but the stuff that's on Blu-ray in special edition DVDs it's still there and it's still really really good and directors are particularly good at it and like doing it as well because you know there's lots of decisions and compromises they've had to make or that there's reasons why shots look in a certain way and they love to be able to give that behind the scenes chat about it as well and to pay it forward because they watch so many themselves exactly here's

a question for you Richard I have some views on this Sean Grant why don't we have our own version of Saturday Night Live yeah people often ask that in the same way what you know why don't we have our own version of you know Jimmy Fallon or those sorts of things we we something not very funny like SNL We just have a you're not a fan oh my God we did have it in the ' 80s we had um Saturday live and then became Friday Night Live and Ben Elon was on it and um you

know Rick and a and people on you know amazing group of people but attempts to recreate those sort of American things like The Daily Show or whatever they just often don't translate they often don't translate and you can't pay people enough to sort of keep them on retainer for 5 years to do the same show in the same in the way they can with Americans you know if you're Rick and Aid then of course you'll do a couple of sketches for them but then you're immediately off doing your sitcom and something else cuz you have

to make money whereas actually you can make a lot of money being on SNL for a few seasons so we don't have that same reparatory company idea because we don't have the money we have lots and all those ESS improv troops that they come up we don't have those places like Second City and Chicago all those places where they big sort of Proving Grounds for them people in the UK tend to come up via the clubs and Via standup and things like that or as you say via sketch shows whereas whereas you know the The

Improv thing in America is absolutely huge and you can you can see I have some affection for Saturday Night Live and there's some wonderful documentaries you can see now on peacock I think about the 50th anniversary and you see all the original audition tapes and lots and lots of I've got I like the history of it all there's a good James Andre M Miller really good one called live from New York which is a an oral history of Saturday Night Live that's really good as a book um and I really recommend that but the show

itself I I can't get behind I also love the film night which has just come out as well which is which is a a really really good watch and listen it's made for Clips isn't it that's why actually it's been going 50 years because just as it was running out of steam we get to the stage where if you got a series of clippable things with very famous people then there's a home for them you know it's also where people go when they're promoting things so you get big names you get big stars hosting it

it has a very clever thing of having different hosts each week which you know the same way that fire got news for you over here does but yeah we don't have that that culture we have a culture of panel shows we have a culture of stand-ups doing things on TV and they have a culture of sketch and troops and things like that and so it's just yeah one of those things in the same way we don't have late night shows they don't have massive writing staffs which is what is Stu but all of that all

of that is money I mean Channel 4 did you know the 11:00 show and yeah the 11:00 show is a perfect example of why we don't have SNL over here because it launched Jimmy car Baron Cohen and Ricky ja all of him have gone on to enormous success but they all went on to enormous success immediately because they just had other places they could go on television and the other places they can make money and they weren't making money from this thing that's on ill day every day and so they went and did other stuff

you know whereas in America the three of them if they'd stuck around for five years on this show if they'd had someone like Laur Michaels in charge of that if they'd had a huge budget if they'd had you know golden handcuffs deal and been paid $3 million a year they probably would have stuck around for 5 years and that would have established itself as a big show but they didn't they would have got paid you know a few grand at a show and immediately there were other opportunities for them and they took those opportunities and

went and did other things primarily I just don't think it's culturally not everything is culturally transplantable lots of things are but then certain things are not and and those kind of late night comedy things have there's there's really been a kind of never the twain shall meet thing in many different attempts doing American formats and by the way in they're taking some of our formats and trying to do them over there it just it's just been something about it that hasn't quite gelled ITV had their their nightly show as well which they tried to do

with different hosts each week you know people keep trying to do it is just not something we feel that we lack over here and now of course we're never going to get it because these things are topical and there's absolutely zero money in in topical comedy anymore and you know never underestimate as well the power of an individual and Laur Michaels who saw that show right through from the beginning and all the books about it will tell you all sorts of things about him he's certainly an acquired taste and you know is a hard Taskmaster

obviously very talented as well but his force of Personality probably saw that over a few humps oh yeah which in the UK probably would have been taken off air I suspect and actually he did it for long enough that the next generation of comics who grew up watching it all wanted to be on it and then our next generation of comics all wanted to be on it and so it's a combination of an awful lot more money than over here a combination of the individual personality of Laur Michaels and also the are standups immediately look

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sky.com to find out more welcome back everybody a question for you about sources Marena not that sort of source no the journalistic Source from C Wy begins I was going to say he could be a might be a lady it could be a lady she/he says you've spoken uh before about when newspapers preface a quote with a source close to it is usually made up we know that but journalists also have legitimate sources and uh see why these question is about that with legitimate sources is it the journalist discretion if the source is kept Anonymous

and for how long I was watching the boyone documentary and rasing declined to identify his Steven gatle Source from 25 years ago you're quite right there is a difference between like sources close to a close pal whatever that's all made up as I've said before and it just because it looks good to have a bit of reported speech it looks like someone has told you this the actual source of a story is different and it could be anyone you could get a story for all sorts of different channels but the number one obligation a journalist

is supposed to have is to never reveal their sources this is absolutely drummed into your Source should be able to tell you something and you never reveal who they are that's the point of a free press that is the that is the point and your contract should persist to even when by the way you may be taken to court you're supposed to even be willing to go to prison rather than Reveal Your Source there's no sort of legal protection but for having a source say a source tells me something and I write a story um

and then I get sued over it now I can go back to my source and say will you go on the record if I believe it to be true maybe I've been given false information in which case bad luck we're going to have to pay a lot to the person who's been libl you could say will you go on the record most sources don't want to do that they don't want to go to court they don't want to be become part of there's reason they were Anonymous in the first place there's there's an injustice or

an interesting story they want it to be out there they do not want the backlash we all know if you cause trouble at work or something it's it's it's an enormous pain for you but what are you going to do if someone's behaving in a certain way or you're someone's assistant and you're selling stories on them not very nice but it happens and that's whatever there's whistleblowers and there's money makers and then there's money makers okay but you should never reveal your Source you have an obligation to them now you're supposed to have a duty

of care now that doesn't always happen there's a journalist called Isabelle oot who as far as I can work out she's failed her sources twice there was a um Vicky price who was married to a cabinet minister called Chris H we forget yeah how soon we forget they had this story where you know he'd got some speeding points on his license and because he was up to nine points or whatever she had said I was driving the car and I took them this is an illegal thing to do she told Isabelle o shot this and

the story was written in I think the Sunday Times and because it was an illegal act and was a cabinet minister they were asked to reveal their sources and they said I I think remember saying we were forced by a judge to give up our correspondents along with our agreement with Vicki so they revealed her as the source they didn't actually even go to the appeal court by the way they said they were going to but they folded before and they didn't certainly didn't go to prison and then Vicky price ended up going to prison

because of this why did she tell Isabelle oaka though well this is the next person who to we were thinking why do they tell Isabel oot is Matt Hancock who for some reason did his pandemic diaries with Isabelle oot a journalist who as far as I can work out is implacably imposed to the hall of lockdown so for whatever reason he gave her all his text and all his WhatsApp and all his everything and she sort of ghost wrote the pandemic Diaries and then shortly afterwards just gave all of that stuff from her source to

the telegraph so twice as far as I can work out she hasn't been responsible to her sources but even if you think that what RAV Singh wrote was very bad and the Steven gate story you know I I have a huge amount of sympathy with that but you shouldn't none you nonetheless should not reveal your Source because otherwise it all falls apart if you don't have a duty of care to the people who reveal things to you and it's supposed to be that you'll just go to the wall for these people yeah but as I

have just Illustrated people don't always some people don't but some people do is there also I was wondering when I watched that and I've recommended that documentary before it's brilliant and I'm not saying this about rafing but in that generation when the source was often an illegally hacked phone do you then say I cannot reveal my source because to reveal your Source essentially is to say there was you can say that about anything but if you get sued and this was a story which you were not going to get sued on if you get sued

you are going to have to produce some evidence or you're going to have to pay out so you can always say I won't reveal my sources and maybe you just maybe it was just something you heard on the Great Vine or everybody knew or it was an Open Secret or whatever people say about all sorts of things but if required to defend it in court you're going to have to have something better than that otherwise you're going to be paying out a Lial settlement or in some cases if you really did have a source and

you're protecting them you're supposed to if necessary go to prison rather than say who they were but that said there is often genuinely a real public interest thing in a journalist saying I'm not going to disclose my source it's been slightly sullied by as you say people who a will reveal their Source or people whose Source was illegally obtained but there is a large group of journalists who absolutely rely on whistleblowers or people inside organizations or people in countries where there's not freedom of press who get information write that information and their job is to

protect that Source it's the number one rule from deep throat from Watergate downwards you just you don't say who it was and so if you hear that do not dismiss it as someone you know being meia mouthed it is the single most important thing that a lot of journalists do but a source close to that's like the Clos pal and the onlooker yeah they've made that's just that's that's an invented thing that's like critics say uh when it's someone someone from Twitter yeah yeah yeah oh this is one for you Richard from Matthew G having

watched the final episode of celebrity hunted last night we were wondering how much production support the hunters get are they given pointers to ensure they capture people regularly enough or they left alone to find them like they would in real life people often ask about hunted I think it's the most interestingly produced show on television in a funny kind of way it's an intriguing thing if you've not watched it a group of people always in pairs go off on the run and have to evade a series of hunters and Hunters have essentially everything at their

disposal that the British state would have which is number plate recognition which is CCTV which is the ability to go into people's social media all of those things the ability to interview people's friends and Associates so they have essentially the powers of the state but copied they do not actually have access to CCTV they do not actually have access to number plate recognition but if the people who are on the Run would have tripped those things in the the course of what it is they're doing then the producers are allowed to say to the Hunters

by the way they're in a car registration whatever yes exactly and they were on this road and you know you can recreate all of those things in post so no one is cheating at any point the producers are not going tipping the wink and saying oh by the way they're on the A1 but the producer who's with the couple will report back and say by the way they would have tripped this here and therefore that is information that the hunters again so it's real in that way and if they take a road which wouldn't have

tripped that camera or they walk across Fields the producer would say I have no information for you if they go into a shop somewhere and there is a CCTV camera or they use a bank card which again the hunters don't actually have access to because they're not the producer state but the producers will say they have used this bank card this bank statement and they've used this CCTV the couples who hunted know that as well by the way and you'll see them take risks sometimes but they know that they they're they're going to be seen

so the couples at all time will have a producer with them people always say oh but it's not obvious here they are because there a big camera crew and there is not a big camera crew it's a it's a person and with GoPros it's a very small group of people so actually you don't stick out in that way they each have a support vehicle which will be following like Race Across the world which one would never see it's just there in case it's Ever Needed of course the producers know where the people are at all

times because they know where their producer is so and they have to know that because they're they're producing the show the rule that it's not always obvious in that show they do say it a lot but people still keep asking the same thing people saying oh I would just hold up in a hotel they have to move they have to move every two days they simply have to and their money is taken off them and there's a limit to how much money they could take for you know they couldn't have like a rich benefactor giving

them like a load of money and holding them up somewhere so there's lots of little production rules which mean they have to go on the run but I've been in the hunted production office on one of the celebrity ones and K Bley and Johnny Mercer were were a team so is the Epic one yeah and uh Johnny Mercer I think had already been captured and K Burley is is essentially in a van you know trying to outrun the hunters and in that situation so they got cameras on they know exactly what's happening they also know

they're going to catch it but K ble won't have it she's like well we could probably outrun the hunters or we could Ram them with with our Lori and at that point they had to intervene they had to say you have got to your mind speak to her and say this is now dangerous and you are going to be caught and therefore you sightly have to lay down your weapon were you in there while yeah yeah yeah yeah it was very exciting oh my God cuz they said would I do you were there in history

I was there in history because that is a particular episode of that show but as a producer genuinely it is fascinating because everyone has pitched that show forever and ever and ever and in fact wanted was a very early version of it in the in the early 90s with o GFI was one of the um the Hunters on that so it's it's a show that's been pitched an awful lot on that show you had to perform a task each day which gave Huns a clue as to where you might be but to actually make that

show and to understand as I say it's got a logic thing in the middle of it which is of course these people do not have access to all this stuff but there is a producer that tells them anytime so if they ring home or something and they're ringing a number which the authorities would have bugged if you were really on the Run they are able to report that if they ring a random number they can't I mean there's little things where they might ring someone who is sort of two steps removed and you can via

Facebook you can find out who they are there's a little gray area there as to how they catch people but it it is essentially a producer saying oh they did this they did that is there something that in a in a you know the normal uh course of a hunt that would have triggered an alarm there and if there is the producers are allowed to say to the hunters this is what we have and it will come through to them in real time and the hunters will read it in real time and so when they

sort of shout out to everyone we seen we've seen him on the A4 that has literally just come through to them in the way that it would do if they were you know genuinely the authorities so it's a really really really neatly produced bit of Telly really interestingly produced bit of Telly and like an absolute mind scramble but as I say when I was there in that in in the K Bly thing no one is reconstructing anything there there is panic there is you know everyone's going get her get her get her you know the

adrenaline is real her adrenaline is real the adrenaline of the hunters is real the terror of The Producers cuz I'm sitting with the producers was real the contempt of Mercer yeah the of Mercer and so Matt Bennett who's the exact producer of hunted he's written all sorts of interesting stuff for us here and the producers role on that show is fascinating The Producers role really is to stay out of the way as much as they possibly can and to let the purity of the format sing out there are interventions like with the K Bley thing

but really it's a real art of the producer bit of Telly that which is how do we tell this story how do we make sure that we are being fair to the contestant how do we make sure we're being fair to the hunters how do we make sure this is this is compelling TV and you know they do it amazingly and when they edit it they edit it quite artfully sometimes it's always you think the hunters are just around the corner and sometimes they're not but then sometimes they are people always say well surely don't

have access to uh you know automatic number plate recognition and no they don't but they do have access to someone telling them they would have tripped it here and that I think is absolutely acceptable bit of uh bit of chicanery and makes for a fascinating TV show and if you know if you can get through and not trip anything you will win that show is the truth and if you do trip something you will not win that show Marina Rebecca fiori has a question I've always wondered how actors theater performers called in sick does the

whole dayg ground to a Hal well I mean obviously talking about primary Creed the primary Creed of the theater is The show must go on and let us introduce you to a little someone called Dr Theater now all performers not just just actors they'll say do theater we'll see you through and it is amazing like actors perform with serious like nausea actual vomiting migraines Advanced syphilis I mean really pretty much most of them a few of them go on without syphilis a very few of them will go on out but I'll tell you who'll take

you through it is Dr theater and you get the adrenaline from the performance and what the adrenaline does first of all it's a painkiller it raises your body temperature and increases the heart rate and so you just get this sort of endorphin Loop I mean how many times have you said it to me when you go on and you're doing you're thinking oh my god I've got to record many House of Gamers today and I feel terrible but there's something weird happens it just happens in the teddy we call it Dr Showbiz which I when

I think whenever you talk about Dr chiz people think you mean cocaine but but you don't there's that thing I never missed an episode of pointless I did 2,000 episodes and there were definitely days when I wasn't well yeah but you go on and there's something about the adrenaline of the thing that absolutely sees you through to stop a show particularly in the theater is a Hu first of all if you're lucky and you've got understand and you should do but people get really angry audiences are very unforgiving if you say so and so won't

be performing tonight and if there there are small theaters and they you know they desperately need all theaters always need the money to stop a show and say you see how angry people get when the singer says I've had to cancel the show in you know Philadelphia tonight because I literally can't speak and you can see they can't fans go absolutely not because they've been looking forward to it for months most performers will do anything not to do yeah you look at standups who have to cancel shows and some you know sometimes you know it's

a personal thing it has to be a big personal thing or or you literally can't speak and it is the worst nightmare of any performer to do that and they will do pretty occasionally you'll see a West End show and someone doesn't appear to be turning up and maybe there's a different story behind that but by and large 99% of performers at any given time will do anything to not have to cancel as you say in in theater most Western shows you you would have underst studies and it's very rare that underst studies on because

people will literally do anything in fact most most of the time if you see an underst study is because if you're booked for a six-month run or a 12-month run you will have designated days off you will have you will say in your contract I've got five days or six days where I'm not doing this show and the underst study knows they are doing the show and when they're doing the show but it's quite rare that someone is actually ill and the understudy comes on and does it because actors as you say performers musicians will

do pretty much anything to make sure the show goes on particularly me music artists uh managers will find find all sorts of injections that you can be given to oh in music slap in music slap you awake on the tour bar and give you some special some magic drugs I mean Dr music is do music is is sometimes cocaine yes that is actually a person or someone with a big syringe and then you can stumble on stage and say hello Philadelphia or New York or whatever it is but again cancelling is such a big and

awful deal that nobody ever wants to do it and it's such an expression amongst performers that they just they feel that the adrenaline will carry them through and on TV and things like that you'll have insurance which means that if the presenter is not available that day and big actors might have this as well on theater things although the big actors tend to have underst studies but if you cannot make it then the program is compensated for that I I've turned up to do a quiz before some someone else's quiz and and one of the

hosts couldn't do it so the whole day had been um had been written off and they're insured for that you know they've got their days worth of get your fee I mean h did you get your fee do you know I actually didn't H I actually didn't but listen that's a whole different story right but certainly if it been if it had been our show if it had been a show that I was producing everyone would have yeah but no we uh we we did not get our fee uh but they would have been compensated

for it they they would have been insured for it so everyone you know you have a medical and you sign a thing and you know you do self- declaration and and things but uh but the cost of one person being ill on something like a big production where you've got a crew of 200 or something is insane it is so unbelievably expensive so you have to be insured and in those situations they desperately trying to move the schedule around so it's vanishingly rare that you have to call off a days production vanishingly rare because people

will go through hella high water to make sure the thing gets on screen yeah did you see that thing this week by the way that 40% of Britain's hadn't didn't read a book last year yeah I honestly I thought it would be a lot more than that because I I thought that that's good at least 60% of people are are are reading books which is a real deal but so on our bonus episode this week talking about short books so if you haven't read a book this year and you fancy a short one I'm going

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