Joe Rogan Experience #719 - Josh Olin

Boom and we're live Joshua how are you I'm good Joe how are you dude your story well we were talking before this all right because I I had seen online that you uh had gotten fired for this whole Donald Sterling comment thing and then you had said to me you took some heat for the Donald's turling thing too but not really I didn't there's you there's no there's only the only real heat is you like get in trouble like you lose You lose a job you actually got fired for saying something that's entirely reasonable and

I'm going to paraphrase what you said but I believe what you said was he has every right to be an old bigot in the privacy of his home and that he's a victim because this [ __ ] Floy that he was hanging around with had recorded him and then leaked the audio right which is totally completely reasonable you called him an old bigot you didn't any way support him right I I Said he was a bigot in my own in my own statement even the statement that was isolated yeah thank you for picking up on

that but this idea that in the privacy of your own home that your words should be they should be gone over with a fine- tooth comb by the entire world and that's not some horrendous invasion of privacy like that's [ __ ] man to me that invasion of privacy is a way more egregious error than someone being a [ __ ] on his own time right and even what He said the reality of what he said he said and he never used a racial slur I mean call him a bigot if you will but what

he said was I don't want to his girlfriend I don't want you taking pictures with these black guys I don't care if you [ __ ] them right but I don't want you taking pictures with them like I don't care if you [ __ ] them is a huge part of his statement I would not say that's a bigot I mean look so worst case right or or or best case if if depending On what your perspective is social justice Warrior or or but or whatever but yeah best case scenario worst case scenario he's a

bigot right but even that shouldn't affect me the way that it seemed to have been affecting everybody right in the way that the media was hyping it up and the media was was spinning it and and totally not necessarily looking at the other kind of really bad seedy [ __ ] that was going on around that whole thing right yeah I Mean I have to question what is the mistress's motives in that right like all that's hearsay and I know that in the wake of all of that there was lots of finger pointing and he

said she said go on and and lawsuits filed but I think that you know it's not hard to imagine that her motives weren't pure you know they weren't they weren't like it wasn't like she was some White Knight you know rushing in to to to do some great social justice I think that at the end of the Day she was really out to you know take this guy down and or or get something out of it right well didn't she say that she didn't release it I believe that was her statement yeah I I mean

whoever whoever got a hold of it I I don't know what her statement is and at the end of the day Joe to me it's here say right that all of that shouldn't matter to me what matters to me is like the and and what I was trying to call attention to what I've always tried to call attention To is the way people kind of we have these weird priorities we we love to be have this endorphin drip we love to be angry we love to be a part of something big and then we don't

necessarily take a step back and look at like the big picture of what was happening what what was going down and um and what could we be talking about instead of all of this stuff right well it's just infuriating to me that you can get fired for what I believe is an incredibly innocuous Statement I mean maybe this is coming from uh Me Maybe my my perception of the difference between working for a public company and and and having controversial opinions and you know me being a comedian and a cage fighting commentator it's I have

different standards I guess it's a different world yeah I mean I can say something pretty [ __ ] up and I'll I might get a call from the UFC and they're like what what are you drunk you know like that's it you're like yeah Pretty much I might say then I'll say sorry I was [ __ ] up and then it goes away but you know I just can't believe that the standards are so low or that the the the outrage standards that it's like it requires such a minimal Ripple on the seismic you know

the seismograph that people will freak out to the point where you can lose your [ __ ] job for calling someone a bigot and saying this guy should have the right to do that in his home and be be a piece of [ __ ] I Know I know what to expect from um from Westboro Baptist Church right I know what to expect from the KKK right I don't agree with any of that [ __ ] and I I I abore it I think that they're all scumbags but but but I I I kind of

know what to expect from that and that shouldn't surprise me when when some headline comes out or when they do some weird stuff right um a lot of people were saying you know well Donald Sterling he had this huge long history Of being like racially weird and and and and questionable so it's like then why why are you acting really surprised that that this thing happened at all and why are you supporting like a breach of privacy in that way cuz that to me is a is a is a more sort of inable right um

to to you know to privacy yeah I I completely and totally agree and I think that that this this idea that somehow or another you should be on your best behavior all the time you can't just say Something if you're alone you want to say something completely disgusting you may or may not mean it you might be under the influence of alcohol or drugs but you're not giving public statements right and so for those public statements or for it to get out like a public statement and for people to absorb it like a p and

then analyze it and critique it and criticize it and then get crazy about it I I found it ridiculous and I think if the guy does Have this long history of being racist I understand it then then I understand why people are upset like they like good we got him like here it is we caught him but what does that have to do with me right but understand how you caught him yeah you know I mean you caught him in a [ __ ] up way that nobody should get caught that way I mean that's

just not how the world is supposed to work in America in 2015 I mean what what what is everybody upset about everybody's upset About this Edward Snowden thing right because Edward Snowden found out that the NSA is secretly wiretapping every [ __ ] phone in the country and recording all your email recording all your your voicemails and everybody got crazy like that's outrageous well that's no different this is all private stuff I mean this is very similar it's along the same lines the idea that you can be judged and him ultimately I mean guy got

his [ __ ] Team taken away got hammered I mean it's insane it it changed the course of his life and for someone like that too like he's a billionaire he's the money aspect is is hardly anything for him right to him it's his legacy the thing that matters most of him completely trash completely gone and again it doesn't matter who he was and what other people thought of him and what matters again to me is just the way that the and honestly I wasn't even that mad at the NBA Because if you look at

if you look at the position they were in they kind of had their hand forced in a lot of ways under this under this torrential downpour of like media and and public discourse and so like in a way I I I almost like empathize with with them and the position that they were put in but but to me it's the way that we reacted to it the way that we kind of were okay with it and a part of it and so I was trying to be the the the one voice of Reason at the

time swim swimming against the stream to try to bring some some you know Common Sense to the conversation which is like this guy he's not this weird monster dude you know he's not like this this this you know crazy guy who's wreaking havoc and and blowing up cities and towns like he's an old guy who grew up in an era where very different than ours and he might have some weird you know [ __ ] floating around in his head and maybe maybe all of that Was true but at the end of the day what

still is not right is what's happening to him right now and you made this one tweet which again I I think is fairly innocuous I I actually no completely innocuous totally justified the first tweet the company you were working for makes in response to it they call you their former Community leader was that how you found out you were fired practically um so I can run you through the Tim table if you want so so the the Beginning of the day what what company was it again uh well the that I work for is called

Turtle Rock Studios um a bunch of really talented artists who are making an incredibly ambitious game called evolve um and so the game was the game is and was and still is really awesome um but the the the company you know game development we work in a slightly different clock than most of corporate America we work we go in at like 10:00 a.m. and we leave at like 700 P.m. because we're usually up until really late in the late in the evening so uh I really don't even wake up until like 9:00 every day most

days so that day I woke up and my phone was kind of buzzing and blowing up um uh one of my one of my really close friends and colleagues at the time texted me and he's like hey by the way you know the stuff you tweeted about the other day like um some news Outlet picked up on it some small you know thing vulture group Exactly who who wanted to capitalize on that on that that Sensational headline and so he he was just giving me a heads up and I was like oh yeah you know

thanks whatever um to me at the at the time I was like whatever like I I know what the group he that I don't want to name the the site but but I know what they're about like they this all the time so I was like whatever um and then so uh maybe I jump in the shower and I get out and I've got texts from like our GM at our at our studio like you need to go radio dark on all social media period And I was like what I was like what and so

I I texted him back and I'm like is this in relation to the article the the one article that no one else picked up on and that like um you know half the comments were like that dude that's totally not what Josh was saying and the other half we're kind of reacting sensationally to it but like the other half even on the comments of ARA were Like you're taking them out of context right and that was the entire extent of the controversy circling me at the time um and then 45 minutes later I still haven't

even left my apartment to go into the studio yet 45 minutes later my email stops working and I'm like uh like I'm not dumb not stupid I'm like they literally just shut off my email um and then so I tried calling him and he didn't take my call and then an hour later he was like yeah we should we Should probably meet at like the Starbucks around the corner and I was like what like you you don't even want me to come into the office and talk about this like like you don't want to hear

my side of it you don't want to see what's what like it's just done and then they issued the statement that they made which was like the literally putting the match to the kerosene so maybe there was some kerosene maybe there was some like potential for outrage um and then when They fired me it turned into this huge thing in in the gaming industry around like was that right was that wrong so like the the vast majority of people who had never even heard about that or even would have cared that I tweeted that um

kind of like everybody heard about it um Main heard about it like Mark Cuban started following me on Twitter like if you were if they were afraid the NBA was going to get pissed at us for for me for weighing in on it then you know they Kind of reaction to it made it like 50 times worse yeah I wish I was in on it when it happened uh cuz I would have went crazy and I I would have tweeted and you know we would have talked about it on the podcast as it happened I

I wasn't aware of it until after the fact but it to me it smacks of this outrage culture that we're in now where people just waiting for the green light to be a [ __ ] and that's what it is it's it's not really that they're angry at this I Don't believe it I think there's a great deal of fake outrage recreational outrage that we're experiencing in our culture right now and it's because people for the first time ever have a voice instantly to talk about anything yeah and that's what Twitter is that's what Facebook

is you instantaneously can project your thoughts out to the world and people love doing it and they love being pissed off and they're most likely pissed off because of their life they're Most likely pissed off because of their relationship or their job or their weight or you know whatever the [ __ ] it is but they're just not balanced people and there's a lot of them and they're looking to hit that [ __ ] gas pedal when they see that green light because that green light that Josh 's a piece of [ __ ] that

[ __ ] [ __ ] he supported Donald Sterling how dare he how dare you defending racism in 2015 and and here's the scary thing for Me Joe is that these people I mean the these people I don't want to like make people sound weird but they've they've always been here yes and they've only now had the microphone to to talk about this so we as a society Society has to be better than the individual I'm say what I'm trying to say is that these individuals who who who get you know are fueled by that

they've always been around and now we as Society need to be bigger than the individual we need to Look at that and understand we need to identify what it is understand why it's wrong and the kind of damage and the kind of risk it present sense to free thinking free speech and and even industry and then we need to you know change the way we're behaving very consciously very cognizantly with every with you know everything that we do to to try to suppress those feelings because they're just natural tendencies like if you if you try

to boil it down To just the like the Neuroscience of it these are just like emotional receptors in our brains it's it's what makes us you know tick it's the it's why these clickbaity articles like you know 11 crazy Wonders of the World revealed after you click this link it's why that that is so successful because those appeal to the emotional centers of our brain instead of the cognitive centers of our brain you're being too kind they appeal to retards say it say it well That and that's what's going on what you're doing what what

what you're doing with Twitter and with Facebook is empowering the whole world to communicate and it's a beautiful thing it's it's amazing it was meant to be a beautiful thing and and so I as a social psychologist like I I self-prescribe myself to that I didn't go to school for this but I'm fascinated by I learn I try to learn everything that I can about it and and in my position that I've been in I've I've my whole career been building and architecting communities and and the way people interact online and and with on social

media so I say this with like a a certain amount of self-loathing because I was kind of part of the problem building that Empire up now I look at back at it and I think there's problems with this and and it's it's unlocking a like a toxicity that um is running rampid across a bunch of different issues and and it it leads to Just hate and bile and Venom and harass for for now I honestly believe this is a temporary step uh on on the way to more enlightened culture I really do believe this and

I think that what we're experiencing now is people when you see someone write something like what was the name of this company that you worked for again tur Turtle Rock Turtle Rock Turtle Rock Studios if you do not fire this man you know expect me to boycott your business You don't know who wrote that that guy could be sh [ __ ] in his pants as he wrote it he could be jerking off into [ __ ] other people's soup he could be you know driving on the highway with one foot on the gas and

one hand on his cell phone the other hand on his dick you you don't know we don't know who these people are they their words anyone can type a sentence anyone can type but you don't know who that person is like what should I consider your opinion we all Know idiots we we've all run into idiots in our lives that if you went to them with an opin you asked them a question about anything they're likely to give you some really [ __ ] stupid answer and you wouldn't even consider it because you go oh

well that's Mike Mike's a tool you know of course he said that he's a fool and when you see Mike's words written down with a period and an exclamation point and it looks all normal like it doesn't seem like it came From a [ __ ] idiot we're used to talking to people I look at you I can tell you a re reasonable intelligent guy we're having a wonderful conversation and you're normal okay but if you were some [ __ ] idiot and you were saying the same you know thing that these people that are

outraged uh you know uh about your your Tweet about jonald Sterling if you were an idiot and you were saying that I would immediately dismiss it I would say well this guy's An idiot this is real simple but on mass and and in that wave and online and social media the context you don't know you don't know if this guy's an idiot or if he's a thought leader or and so then all of those messages and all of those tweets and all of those hashtags they add up and it's we we lose the context I

mean we we lose the the the forest through the trees we don't just do that it's also these people haven't earned the ability to communicate they haven't Earned it they've just found it like I haven't earned it I just found it I mean I I stumbled upon this ability through the internet I mean that's that's what we've all done you haven't really earned it but at least you're consistent about it right your your message is always fairly fairly coming from a very pragmatic place you you take a look at the guy you know what one

arbitrary guy who is who is typing some angry [ __ ] into his Twitter feed and and you scroll Back through his history and and the stuff that he was complaining about just the other day or the last week it could be in stark contrast to whatever he happened to be angry about today right or coming from a completely different place of of morals and standards that he has well that's one of the coolest things about Twitter is that when someone says something really stupid you go to their Twitter page and go oh look at

this amazing River of retardation That's coming out of your fat head you know it's funny I I I used to have a real problem with like used to get baited easily into stupid arguments and just stupid spend hours trying to change a guy and and uh and I started doing that right where I'd click through and I read through I'm just like it's this isn't worth it it's it's not worth my time it's almost never worth it it's almost never worth it but I think that these people have never had this ability To communicate before

and they don't think about it too much and I think that this power that human beings have today through social media it's amazing like ultimately it's way better it's it's way better than not having it and think it's it's an amazing time but this is how I like to put it in perspective to people if you're in a room with a hundred people what are the odds that one of those people is a total [ __ ] [ __ ] it's about 100% if you have a hundred People in a room you have 99 amazing

people as a comic you see this all the time it's it's the one Heckler it's the one [ __ ] in the room right and so you just expand that out to the whole world expand that out to the entire well just the whole planet look at the United States of America if it's one out of 100 that means there's 3 whatever five what is it 350 million people in this country that's three and a half million retards three and a half Mill Million slobbering [ __ ] just pounding on their keyboards demanding action demanding

you get fired demanding you get reprimanded demanding you apologize and over what over over their shitty [ __ ] lives that's what it is but these what the real the real problem is is that companies like Turtle Rock are [ __ ] and that they they can't look at this rationally they can't look at this reasonably like two human beings just Like why did you write that oh I wrote it because you know I feel like the invasion of privacy thing is much more important and the fact this guy said something that was you know

racially [ __ ] up okay good point got I mean be the end of it but you're you're taking these opinions from all these other people people that are chiming in just because they're looking for that [ __ ] green light they're looking to hit that gas because they're frustrated because They're stuck in traffic all day because their their body sucks because their girlfriend doesn't want to touch them whatever the [ __ ] reason it is context that's their life context but that's their [ __ ] let them let them deal with it right don't

bring repercussions on other people and again me you know I'm fine whatever I I'm I'm doing just fine but the the the kind of damage that that did to people that I about who were still at the company right like my Friends there my colleagues who cuz when that all happened like it was it was just that right it was mostly people just yelling and and angry at them for for doing what they did to me right well they should be that that makes sense and and and so that that should be the repercussion for

firing someone for free speech yeah and and that and that wasn't that wasn't good though either right like that was still really bad too and that that wasn't to to me that wasn't Even any better right that the way it's better is you take the person who fir you and then should be fired and they should be publicly flogged someone should take them out with rubber dicks just smack them in the face like a 100 lashes it's just it's nonsense it's it's it's a Fool's Endeavor to to try to please all the [ __ ]

idiots of the world and to not look at that R I don't know how anybody can look at what you said rationally and be outraged you'd Have to be a real [ __ ] piece of [ __ ] to get angry at that enough to think that you should lose your ability to make a living you should lose your job but that's what people love to do they love to get people fired I mean it's one of the in more invasive aspects of social media um the social justice Warrior types that will try to get

people fired from their job and they will organize an attack and they're trying to get a result and when they get A result like these Turtle Rock dummies who fired you they they feel like they've claimed Victory but there's noct there you know you went on to get a better job they went on to get [ __ ] over the whole thing turned into a big shitfest and online it became this hot point of debate and I think ultimately they should learn and everyone should learn everyone should learn that's the thing I what I would

want to do and what I keep doing and and I didn't it didn't Stop at all by the way I love I'm okay with being the provocative guy right provocation doesn't always have to be a negative word right there's anytime you evoke an emotion it's because you're saying something distinct you're saying you're not being just sameness and and muted and and and average and completely agreeable I like being the guy who has like poignant thoughts who wants to share a different angle and a different perspective with PE as many people as I Can and just

try to keep the conversation moving forward because what you end up seeing and and what people are trained into doing which which happened with with my whole thing is is they get trained into into taking a side and then closing off the other side you see this a lot with do you have any do you have any like Facebook friends that are like super like one like some who are either super religious or some who are super atheist and you watch some of The arguments they get in and you watch the the aftermath of them

like I had a I had like a DieHard atheist friend of mine who who would always argue with with with Christians always argue with anybody who says like thank you know thank God for being here for me through this hard time he would even go on that post and argue and debate with them like he's kind of just that guy he's that guy at the at the party and so what I noticed that he would keep doing is he'd Get into these arguments and then he would friend all of the religious people and when I

take a step back and I observe his behavior what he's doing is he's surrounding himself with more more like-minded people and he's removing any other discourse that might like how you don't evolve unless you debate unless you have a conversation right so so he's just surrounding himself with more of these like-minded people who share his ideas and then he's ranting and venting With those group of like-minded people about how angering the other side makes them so now he's not even having a like a debate with the other side he's just having this circle jerk with

his own with his own group of friends about about what they assume the other side thinks and means and believes and so you take that with any issue or or um with any set of values that you have it's the same thing anytime that you cut off ties with another person you can you could Call that well I just surround myself with people who make me happy but I call that almost like if that's the case then you kind of forfeit the right to be mad at me for having a different opinion because if you're

not going to come in to the table and and understand what my opinion is and and have and have a conversation with me about where I'm coming from then I mean you kind of lose the right to make up your mind about what I think and believe that's a very Good point it's a very good point as long as you look at it reasonably and as long as you look at it objectively and saying how am I getting anything good out of this like for example you arguing with these people online that you don't want

to argue with you you go to their Twitter feed look at what they're saying to you and you go what am I doing why am I getting involved with them I don't want to engage with this person because it's pointless to me like in that sense Like well no you don't need to let that person into your life and if you read some ridiculous inflammatory stupid [ __ ] that someone's wri you can make a a value choice you can make a choice you know what my my time is very valuable and I just I

want to defriend this guy I don't want to be involved but there is something that's going on in this culture that I think is happening because of this incredible new ability to communicate and form these groups of Like-minded people where you get this massive confirmation bias in these group groups and because of that they they reject outright any notion of debate upon these issues and this is a big problem right now in universities it's a huge problem where people don't want to be offended and they're trying to create safe spaces and they're trying to create

places where you you can't say things that they might think are offensive but you might think are totally reasonable Like your Tweet like your Tweet in a lot of universities would thought to be would be deemed incredibly offensive even though it's it's a legitimate subject of debate it's a legitimate subject of debate like why Why Try To Change this old [ __ ] he's going to be dead in a month like what do you give a [ __ ] well why are we wasting our energy on this there's so many bigger issues that we face

every day we're involved in a lot of War right now and yet we're Worrying about Donald [ __ ] Sterling yeah you know and and and anytime that you say that now like you run the risk of is Joe Rogan a racist does he not care about race relations in the United States and it's like that that's not the point like but you don't run that risk that's not true you run that risk with idiots it's not a reasonable risk you know should it shouldn't be and it's not it's not and that's where your company

[ __ ] up because that's it's not a Reasonable if you look at what you wrote what firing someone for that is not a reasonable reaction if you look at what you wrote being infuriated at you and wanting your job and wanting your head and wanting you to pay and wanting you to publicly apologize that's not a reasonable reaction either this idea that everyone has to Aces that everyone has to bow down to the masses and anytime there's anything controversial you're best off just keeping your mouth Shut you're best off just not communicating and not

projecting your thoughts for for for fear of other people disagreeing and then the hate and the anger it's like you you just what does that word look like diluted down generation over generation is that really the world you would want to be in not America I tell you that it's not my America yeah it's it's a land of [ __ ] it's ridiculous it's just you said the confirm confirmation bias is probably The best way to put it it's ALS it's also it's also um the no pun intended the black the way we look at

it black and white we look at it like there's no there's no gray area with a lot of these people so if there's um in gaming another big issue right now is feminism in in gamergate and um and so the you know you you take a feminist activist who's saying some stuff and if you are to which by the way let's say I wholly support equal rights gender equality all All forms of equality I think I think people should be deemed as who they are as and what they're saying and what they're bring to the

world doesn't matter about your age gender sexual orientation nothing so the the um but let's say that I'm talking to a feminist and she says something that I think is just wrong I I think it's a it's a bad opinion it's an opinion form based on a bias or it's a it's an invalid stat and I argue with her for one second I'm Immediately a misogynist I'm immediately a sexist because I I opposed one point of her platform and now suddenly I'm anti again again only to idiots and only to people that aren't looking at

things objectively and only to people that are coming into it with a bias in the first place but is it just is it just idiots CU let's say let's say you're that feminist right let's say you're that activist and and let's say you're a really smart person and you've done a Lot of research and you're just you're so you're you're a smart person but you're so invested in your mission you're so invested in what you're fighting for that you forget just for one minute for one minute you forget that there's another side to it that

there's other perspectives there's other way of looking other ways of looking at an issue even just for one second and you say something and then a bunch of people retweeted and then it looks bad For the guy you know in a way that person who's the smart person technically influenced a lot of that like negative [ __ ] from from happening that then transpired and so in a lot of ways it's it's like having a conversation with even the smart people who think that they're leading activism and they're lead they're leading the charge on things

you know it's trying to educate that tier of people who can be spoken to reasonably to understand that Like you know you need you need to be more open-minded and the second the second that you push someone away you're already you're already like like abandoning your cause your cause should be bringing more people in the second that you react to What someone else said and you pushed them away like that you're you're technically you know you're the one not technically you're you're the one doing the wrong thing well the problem with this conversation Right now

is it's kind of vague and we're we're not talking about very specific statements that could be debated on their Merit versus this idea of uh immediately using an ad hominy like you're a misogynist like that is the best way to shut down any sort of debate immediately call you a racist immediately call you a sexist yeah I mean that's that is the that's the feminism Playbook the the the dumb feminism Playbook not the intelligent Feminists that look at the reality of the world and see equal inequality and want to correct that and don't hate men

like there was this woman that was uh doing something for Google ideas or I forget what the the exact thing was but she was arguing with people on Twitter and one of the things she said is I eat men for breakfast like okay should you're a [ __ ] ridiculous human what you eat everyone of the opposite gender so are You in a at a you in a gender War it's like is this do you want to make create equality for women or do you actually want to make up for all the men who rejected

you or [ __ ] on you or dumped you or broke your heart or or whatever or whatever it is what is it is it you have picked a team and you're fighting for that team like the Dolphins versus the 49ers because that's what it seems like and that is what it is it's Mac versus Windows I mean it's it's [ __ ] Android versus iPhones people pick [ __ ] teams they get crazy it's Chicago versus New York [ __ ] La I'm from San Francisco it's the same goddamn thing and you decide you

know I'm a feminism and I'm feminist and men [ __ ] suck yeah well no men don't suck men are humans you know women don't suck either they're humans individuals in each gender suck and the idea that you're going to be on team vagina and it doesn't have any rotten players you're [ __ ] crazy you're crazy you're instantly crazy if if if any man tries to say that all men are amazing that guy's a [ __ ] idiot right like are you looking around are you are you talking to people have you looked at

history have you taken a poll recently of the opinions of these [ __ ] guys with dicks it's nonsense there's a lot of guys who are [ __ ] [ __ ] absolutely Donald Sterling's of them [ __ ] maybe I mean I don't know I Mean based on what he said especially in equal in issues of equality there's there's no no side should be losing one side doesn't have to win the other side having to lose well we shouldn't be on teams it should be the human race right you know I there's I'm big

fans of a lot of women I think a lot of women have achieved some [ __ ] incredible amazing things and I think there's a lot of men that I think are disgusting there's a lot of men I think are are losers and They're annoying and they make excuses for their fail years and they it's never about them it's always about they got [ __ ] over like oh they're [ __ ] brutal and boring and tiresome and and they they are roadblocks they're roadblocks for conversations they are blood clots for progress I mean there's

a lot of people like that out there both genders and I think that you know this whole idea of feminism and you know one of the things that that happened that I Thought was really hilarious um I don't remember what it was about but I retweeted something cuz I I retweet things provocative with I don't agree with them I don't believe that a retweet should be an endorsement I think but it triggers thought it makes people have a thought in their head for one moment of the day so this woman who is a feminist called

me an MRA so what the [ __ ] is that so I had to Google it it's a men's rights activist so I'm like hold on are You really mocking me for supporting men's rights when you're a feminist like are you you're mocking it you're openly mocking the the idea of men's rights but meanwhile you're supporting female rights like this is preposterous you're a crazy person you're a crazy person lost in this constant struggle and then I went to her Twitter page and checked her out of course she's morbidly obese and she has pink hair

so she's she's a mess right but that that's the real Cause of all this strife and anxiety and and and anger it has virtually nothing to do with the issue itself these these issues become green lights for some people yeah some people I completely agree in that particular case it was certainly true but I think that this this feminism in gaming thing like boy I don't I've I've looked at both sides of this this it's convoluted on both ends the hate that these women who are involved in video game development have Gotten from men is

[ __ ] disgusting of course I mean the harassment and people say oh the death threats aren't even real like what the [ __ ] ever they still get them you know I mean if and and they're and they're not just it's not just I'm going to kill you it's so dark it's so toxic yeah yeah I mean there's way more violence being directed at them you know whether it's real or not but in print than it is directed at the men that are supposedly the oppressors right You know you're not seeing like a bunch

of women saying we should get together and cut all these guys dicks off and stuff them down their mouth and make them choke to death on it but this this whole [ __ ] battle like at the at the root of it all it should be a battle about well it should be like what should developing game should be about what is the best way to make a really quality game that people are going to enjoy and what is the best way that all these People can interact with each other it shouldn't be about like

well we need 10 women because we have 10 men and the women should have an equal say because no the men shouldn't even have an equal say every your your your ideas should stand on their own Merit I hate the idea of quotas across across most issues when you especially when you talk about like police having quotas for the number of of certain Races they need to investigate that's wrong and at the same Time on the other side with with this issue it's like yeah I hate the idea that you need to hire so many

of these people just because right just just to keep the balance equal it's a horeshit idea and it's there there's some real clear U areas in life where you know it's a horseshit idea the NFL's one of them okay if there was a quota in the NFL where the NFL needed a certain amount of women to play as linebackers do you know how [ __ ] up football would Be if you needed to have you know how many linebackers are there three three if you needed to have at least one woman we do you know

how [ __ ] horrific and Preposterous those games would be everybody would just shoot straight for the chick and run her over and then you would be accused of sexism because you you keep giving that girl concussions but that it's she's not qualified for that position that position belongs to some Square jawed [ __ ] from Indiana who's been taking steroid since he was a baby that's that's the guy you want for that job you want some 500lb [ __ ] gorilla that's going to stop people from Crossing that space that's it that's that's and

that's the clearest example of a quota and the same could be said creatively like the idea that you you want a certain amount of women or a certain amount of men nonsense nonsense what is the content what is the quality of your ideas how How much time do you spend focusing on these ideas which which by the way has nothing to do it's not like what you're saying is that women aren't as capable of doing that job but what you're saying is there may not it's not about that it's about who's in front of you

at the time and who do you want to put in that position and and where are you you know what what are you going to care about at the end of the day you're going to care about the contribution that's being made There's this amazing interview that Ronda Rousey did recently in Australia cuz she's supposed to be fighting um well she is fighting in a couple weeks in Australia and it's the biggest UFC event ever headlined by a woman okay 70,000 seats in Australia and this woman does this interview or does this questions her this

this media scrum and she says um how do you feel we're having an issue here in Australia with uh equality Of pay for women's football how do you feel about equality of pay in the UFC and this is what it's such a stupid question because she makes more money than anyone in the sport she's the number one earner in the UFC and she goes look I get paid the most out of anyone in the UFC and I'm a woman and I don't get paid that much because Dana and Lorenzo the owners of the company wanted

to do something nice for the ladies she's like I get paid the most Because I put the most asses in the seats and more people want to come to see me because I'm the best you know and when she said that everybody cheered and they were booing when this lady had this question but her question's Preposterous yeah it's a ridiculous question because you're you're talking to the number one earner in this sport who happens to have a vagina right you know it's it's the she got there through the quality of her work and the amount

of eyes that she Attracts because of that work that's it's that simple it's that simple that what she's been able to do the the outlier status that she has being this beautiful woman who kicks people's asses and being unusual it generates a significant amount of money so much money that she makes more money than anybody else so this idea that like you're supposed to pay women the same amount that you pay men well well what if only half the people go to see the Women do you still have to pay them the same amount well

that's a shitty business model because then you're not going to make as much money yeah it's that's a tough way I mean it's it's a tough way to look at it it's a tough uh concept to unpack for a lot of people I feel like I don't know why I mean they think that you know it's supposed to be one for you and one for me no it's a competition right when you get out into the marketplace the same think the most The example that resonated best with me was the um uh the Jennifer Lawrence

thing where where she did you read about that where she was there's the huge uh she wrote a big open letter about how she didn't get paid as much as Bradley Cooper did uh during the American Hustle movie and and and for a whole bunch of reasons uh and and okay that's fair like I I am okay I want to hear I want to hear the argument right but the argument that I heard was was incomplete right um How about the number of lines both of them spoke in the movie right how about the number

of minutes both of them spent on screen in the movie um how about the number of days she even went to work compared to the number of days he went to work to be on set and to do filming right and and so when you look at that quantitatively you go well why why would you be paid the same amount as him for for for a a fourth or fifth lead role in that movie right well you look at it Quantitatively she actually got paid more per minute than he did sure there you go and

and and then so and then what you don't hear her talking about of course and I don't I don't like this argument either because there's no again there's no reason that like they need to the other side needs to lose for one side win it shouldn't be about that but of course then you look at like the the new movie that she's in where she's getting paid more than any of her male Co-stars and you don't talk about that right and and so it's almost like this we we we get angry and outraged about things

when they're convenient to be angry and outraged about and we don't we don't call it out on the [ __ ] when it's the double standard when it's on the other side of that curve well I give her a pass because the whole world saw her [ __ ] and it wasn't her idea you know I mean I think she's probably emotionally wrecked because of that and There's also probably a lot of people in her ear telling her she got [ __ ] over and agents and managers and a lot of people saying hey you

can you can go out and you can you can talk about this this is the right time to talk about this right and and again that's that that's that smart people who have figured out how to manipulate the Mass's emotions into into getting profit into getting eyeballs into getting ratings into getting good things for them and I I'm Always against that well the argument is interesting you know the argument is very interesting like who should be getting paid what and why should you be getting paid more but the reality you're going to have a really

hard time getting sympathetic voices or sympathetic ears rather when you're making millions of dollars like oh I'm only making 2 million while he's making four or whatever the [ __ ] it was Boy crime your River you're making millions of dollars And you want people to feel bad like that's kind of ridiculous and if you look at it in terms of the number of like you said the number of hours that she was on screen but who knows who knows why she said that who knows I mean she she actually she gotten [ __ ]

on by this reporter once because she was at some award show and she was drunk and he wrote something about it and she had some response you know to you know why she did it and you know that [ __ ] this Guy and like you're really worried about me cuz I got drunk at an award show like [ __ ] off and and she's right 100% right and would she have gotten that grief if she was a man I say no if you know [ __ ] fill in the blank if Brad Pit had

a couple of drinks at some award show and he was liquored up and and laughing and being ridiculous he could say hey I was just [ __ ] up at that award show and I had a good time but whoops what did I say and no one's going To say boy I'm really worried about Brad Pit so no one's no one's saying that inequality doesn't exist it definitely exists and and as long as we're having pragmatic conversations about it and we're staring it in the face because it is an ugly issue it's a scary issue

but as long as we're not taking teams and and rattling pom pom as long as we're not we're not just just just cutting off the lines and making boundaries as long as we're constantly having that Conversation and we're not looking for someone else to get hurt in the process of having that conversation then as long as we're still talking about it we're going to be making progress I think what you just said is so important as long as you don't want other people to get hurt yeah that I think that's a really important point of

it that you you don't want to hurt the other people what you don't want to hurt team dick in order to prop up team vagina yeah don't don't Make me scared don't make me scared to participate like i' after that whole Donald Sterling thing with me I was I absolutely was scared for months like maybe I shouldn't tweet anymore like but then of course I I came back to my senses and I thought that's ridiculous I shouldn't I shouldn't feel that way I shouldn't be pushing away from the table because some you know bad [

__ ] happened to me I that made me want to talk about things even more I mean this and and and Wanting to to make people learn that that's not the way you get your way or that's not the way that you make a point is by bringing someone else down yeah well I think it's also companies get scared and they get scared of backlash and boycotts and they make executive decisions and those executive decisions are often times only made in those in that context in a large company form like that's the only time like

if there's a couple of people like You're saying you don't see it yeah you I don't see it but I'm not going to see it I don't care if I said something like that and people got upset i' would go i' would go whatever I just let I I'd say something else I'd say something even more outrageous I'll keep it going I don't care because I'm not going to give if I got fired by the UFC i' be like oh well hey guys loved working for you still support the company great time but I'm doing

five other things at the same Time and one of the reasons why I do that it's I do it it's calculated I don't like only having one job because I don't like worrying about losing that job I don't want to worry about [ __ ] especially if I have to worry about something that would impede on my ability to speak freely right I'm not interested you know that's why I'm not Network gigs those are not fun because you have to [ __ ] watch everything you say they want to take over your social Media account

you know that's what happens when you get on a television show they want to be able to tweet for you they want your like I was talking to Areno Hall recently and you know he had that Arsenio Hall Show y that came back and he can't get onto his Facebook he couldn't use his Twitter like they owned it a lot of YouTubers are are going through the same stuff right now too a lot of YouTubers who are signing TV deals are coming back and going this is This is not what I wanted for my brand

in my audience right exactly they're stealing your your people and then they tweet for you and they want you to tweet promotional things and they want you to you know promote your show and live tweet your show and well we'll do it for you so they're going to do it in your voice this was amazing when I did this but it's not even you you got someone else saying that you know and I'm very adamant about if you there just Automatic tweets that'll happen on my page like if something gets uploaded to YouTube but if

you see an opinion and if it's like that there's an opinion or a joke even if the joke fails that's coming from my little fat ERS that's it and that's the only way I would do it and I I think that that's what I loved when I tweeted you too I think I I asked about like your producer for the show and you're like dude it's me like what like this is you're talking to me right Now you're not talking to some other person well that you know I mean it's Jamie Jamie's over there you

could talk to him but I just think that I just think we live in a strange time and it's very important during this strange time to keep your sanity and to to keep your ability to express yourself because like you said as soon as you're afraid of speaking your opinion as soon as as soon as you you think about typing something that you really believe in and he say You know what it's not worth the risk I would like to keep these ones and zeros showing up in my bank account let me just back off

that who are you then because you're not you're not who you are you're you're a slave you're a slave to the system the cliched you know phrase right at that point you're a slave to the system and and look look down three or four generations down the line of that and and what does it look like it's not a place that I want to Live where where were all just these like diluted down versions of each other that are identical and the same and don't have opinions and voices like people don't want to hear that

either they want to hear those tweets or read those tweets when you write something like that and they go yeah that is [ __ ] up this chick just recorded him and then not just recorded him but broadcast it to the world sold it to whatever Outlets or somebody did well Every everyone ended up saying what I said I was ahead of the I was way ahead of the curve I said it like like the day after it all happened right and I was the f I was the first one through the breach and I

got [ __ ] slammed for it right everybody ended up ultimately having that opinion about it and and yeah at the end of the day like you know she now then then she got sued by um by his now ex-wife because like she was getting Showered with gifts that were from her estate and all sorts of and it's like yeah you got to realize that and all this is heray by the way I I don't know anything about the the facts but the allegedly is a good word allegedly you got to imagine that she uh

that that you know something was H like like you got to imagine that she was like was trying to get some money tapling was like whatever want the tapes how thaten maybe notbe that's not How it went down but I could totally seeing that playing out like some episode of the Entourage right where it's like um where where you just don't know how the motives were not pure yeah an episode of the Entourage but funny it's different I think that what I think what's going on with with her and him is she's getting look it's

prostitution it's really clear clear and simple I mean there's she's not [ __ ] that guy she thinks she's hot like if if you're Having sex with someone you should probably be attracted to them or be getting something out of it but we love that we we love the reality the way the the life real life has like become an episode of any reality TV show that you've seen and people and for the same reason that reality TV is so successful people love it's why Donald Trump's campaign is so successful right now because it's it's

a living breathing incarnation of reality TV you're Absolutely right 100% we love it and we support it and we vote and we say yes just like we would vote for reality TV well makes it exciting all of a sudden instead of someone saying some canned [ __ ] that you know a team of speech writers work he's like I want to put up a wall to Mexico and put my name on it like what the [ __ ] you know it becomes exciting we didn't take away his NBA team did we no does he have

one would if we did and but it's a he's it's a year Away so right now it's just fun it's just fun silliness until it gets down to whatever [ __ ] corporate criminals they're actually going to put into the position of actually running the country so right now it is reality TV it's what it is it's it's the most interesting game in town right now it's a sport that everybody has to watch for whatever [ __ ] reason you at least have to know the score yeah I that's that also ultimately comes back to

the mainstream Media they're the ones who are are technically leading the charge they're the ones who everybody is kind of queuing off of and everybody's being being influenced by and that's also something that I'm constantly going to be at odds with I'm always going to fight that yeah and mainstream media itself is just a money-making machine it's not like this this idea that mainstream Media news is actually their their sole purpose is to disseminate Information to educate the masses and to keep you informed about all the happenings in the world it used to be that

way oh it used to be that way it used to be when it was broadcast when it was when it was was a utility it was essentially a utility well it still exists in the form of online journalism I mean what's going on now today when you see something like the guardian printing that Ed Snowden all the the the the revelations when no one else wanted To touch it I mean he went to other people first and they said no so that's real journalism when when someone prints something incredibly controversial but something they think is

important that's going to piss off the entire country Wikileaks that's real journalism it happen it happen so infrequently cuz they were so scared they were terrified they should be Edward snowden's living in Russia and and a [ __ ] Homeboy The Pale ghost what the [ __ ] his name Julian Assange Julian Assange is P up in a [ __ ] Embassy he can't leave he's stuck in a house it's all Madness it's all Madness I mean those two people are arguably two the most important figures of the 21st century when it comes to establishing

what what is the current state of the government when it comes to surveillance when it comes to the the spreading of uh actual information about what's going on in the world where are we at well those two guys are Responsible for two gigantic leaps of Revelation where everybody's had to St take a step back especially Edward Snow then everybody's had to take a step back know what the [ __ ] is happening when I send a text message am I just texting Jamie and calling him a big queen or am am I going to get

in trouble with people like what's going to happen is is someone going to read some of my joke text to one of my friends take it out of context and get me fired for that but That's that's the world we live in today we live in a very weird time and in these weird times the idea that CNN is going to kick you the [ __ ] real deal they're going to drop the real knowledge on [ __ ] fo news they don't give a [ __ ] about you they're just trying to sell commercials

that's all they're doing and every time that you click on one of those clickbaity articles every time you click on one of those Sensational tweets and hit their page you're part of the Problem you're the one positively reinforcing that business model in a way I think honestly that it's beautiful that they operate in this way because they're sealing their own demise I really do believe that I believe Fox News and CNN and all these people are ultimately they're on a path they can't get off and path leads to being irrelevant it's going to happen how

long does that burn though man because I know right right when social media came out When Twitter was invented and when Facebook was invented people were saying the same thing they're like is this the end of media how long has it been around been around a couple years in a couple of years we've seen some massive changes I mean really incredible and and some bad like what happened to you but I think that what that is is this new found ability this new found ability that people didn't earn and they just have and they don't

they're Irresponsible with it they don't know what they're doing with it they also don't understand what communication what what it really means to BR and they don't they're not taking into account how other people going to perceive them like here's a perfect example Justine Sako you know her story yes everyone knows her story if you don't know it she was a publicist she was about to get on a plane to go to Africa and she goes I'm going to Africa Hope I don't get AIDS just kidding I'm white LOL and she went to sleep woke

up in Africa fired and the whole world hated her yeah and she deleted her Twitter account and she still hasn't recovered I mean doesn't she would she work for some game company now that just got in trouble FanDuel what is it FanDuel say it again FanDuel she works for FanDuel and she got in trouble recently what happened she didn't get in trouble her Name's just come out because they've got in trouble and she's speaking for them as their publicist but but how hilarious is that you know well yeah they're they're amidst to It's Kind It's

Kind like me whenever I come to another company right it's like it's like I have to of course answer that question and people are talking about oh this XYZ company hired Josh Olen again right yeah but what you said was nothing like what she said but what she said she had like [ __ ] 10 followers she thought she was being funny like she's probably on Ant Xanax or something like that she probably popped shitty joke whatever it's a shitty joke we've all had shitty jokes you've had plenty in your career [ __ ] I'm

not a comedian and I have shitty jokes all the time and Twitter you know um it doesn't matter if you it doesn't matter if you don't agree with what she said you shouldn't want what happened to Her to have happened to her yes exactly and people wanted it they wanted it so badly they were calling for they were putting her head on a on a pike and demanding it there was another girl I can't remember her name but she she took a picture in front of she was at like the Arlington Cemetery or something she

she was uh in front of a sign that said um um like no no shouting or something or quiet please um quiet quiet please be respectful some sign like that and so She took a picture in front of her where she was like pretending like she was yelling um and you know just cuz that's what she thought was funny now now she put it online and it went crazy cuz people were talking about how she was disrespecting our troops and our soldiers and the lost ones right and and then of course as she goes out

and talks about it she goes if you look at my page I that's just what I do whenever I see a sign when I see a sign that says no Smoking I I put up a fake cigarette in my lips when I see a sign that says no soliciting I pretend like I'm listening it's her stick is she just does the opposite thing that signs say and when you when you understand that context you realize she's just being funny why why would she lose her job over that but it's this did she lose her job

uh I don't know actually um I don't know enough about it I shouldn't be talking out of my ass right now but whatever was Out it was a big thing there was a big thing and that's why I had I had to comment of course I defended her um and she was doing media and whatnot of course it's insane but again it's just the green light it's all it is it's just hunts hitting the gas and they just I found one we found a Target go shoot oh fire her that's what it is when the

cease of the lime thing happened there was a New York Times article that a man from Zimbabwe wrote and it's uh in Zimbabwe we do not cry for lions and he talked about lions that have killed his family the guy lost his leg to a poisonous snake bite the guy who wrote the article I mean he's like his his take was like look Africa the wild of Africa is not your friend is is it's [ __ ] terrifying it's beautiful to behold but it is absolutely terrifying so this idea that you call this lion ceil

and that we're all crying because we lost Cil [ __ ] Cil you know I mean That's what he's saying all I did I mean all I did was retweet that article yeah and I got so many [ __ ] people that were angry at me what was the article was the angle article in the article was in Zimbabwe we do not cry for lions that was the title of the article it was written by um I don't know if he was a student I forget what he but he's living in America but he's from

Zimbabwe right and um well we don't we don't we don't understand we we have no perspective Outside of our bubble that we live in exactly well also I mean this guy is just giving his point of view as a person who's from Zimbabwe you know I mean this is this is his all I did was retweet the article if so many [ __ ] people were angry at me they were so mad at me I can't believe you're supporting them you know what that guy did was he's a piece of [ __ ] and a

murderer and like as if you just went and stepped on a kitten yeah exactly I'm hitting kittens With baseball bats over the fence into your yard like it's it's it's just a green line it's it's it's an Endor you're right it's green it's it's this endorphin drip that we seek and and and we get it through this feedback loop of well we get it through anger anger releases it and and we get it through the feedback loop of seeing someone else paying for something that you didn't agree with or that you didn't like and I'm

I'm sometimes too much of an Optimist but I I'm I'm also uh I I try to look at things objectively outside the context of culture and what we expect of today and I Look To The Future and what I'm looking at is there's a trend and the trend is from the moment that human beings invented language to the time they started writing things down to the time they started Distributing that written word to the time they figured out how to broadcast and how to get ideas out there through Television and radio to the internet what

I'm seeing is the trend is a shorter distance between human beings there's a TR the trend is connectivity and I think ultimately we're dealing with this adolescent period in this connectivity where all these people that have never thought about the idea of prog projecting these words like if you get a guy like Brian Williams on TV and he's bullshitting about going to Iraq that's a guy that's responsible for his Words okay that's a guy that's a professional broadcaster he should know what he's saying when he gets on television he sees that red light he he's

he's getting paid he's he's prepared for it his entire [ __ ] life okay that's a guy who understands the the the the repercussions of his words the average person has the same ability to reach human beings as Brian Williams when Justine Sako wrote that tweet she probably as much people or as many People as Brian Williams did when he lied about going to or getting shot down in Iraq it's probably incredibly similar yes and that's a new thing that is a really really really new thing I think as it gets closer and closer it's

going to move from the written word it's going to move from type and video and it's going to be some sort of a brain-to-brain interface and when that starts happening and I don't think we're far away from That I think we're a decade or two at most when that starts happening this is all going to be [ __ ] it's not I'm going to be able to read your thoughts I'm not it's I'm I'm not going to wonder whether or not you know you're reacting because you were beaten as a child or you you're you

know your boyfriend dumped you I'm going to know and we're going to know each other in a really weird intense intimate way that I don't think we could possibly understand today No when you talk to people that Liv during the [ __ ] during the Inquisition and you told them about Twitter walk up to them and hand them this device and see what they do so they'd shoot you for witchcraft well they didn't have guns they'd [ __ ] stab you or they [ __ ] whatever but we're going to look at something like that

something in the future and probably the Fairly re fairly I don't I want to say no more Than 20 years I think it's in our lifetimes that's that might be ambitious well maybe not when I when I look at people like one of my Idols is like Alon musk when I look like a truly Visionary person who's also a really smart dude just a genius and on every level when when a guy like him is talking about AI scaring him yes and when he when he's going it scares me I'm going I should probably be

scared too because because and and when you think about yeah with The way that we're already right now like uh fusing you know computer chips in with brains and helping to restore language centers well what happens when that AI computer chip can directly interface with your brain and learn about it and learn about its circuitry and and understand it in a way that and at a rate that we it took us this many years to to learn and it's going to learn it overnight in a second um yeah that's a scary idea I did a

podcast with Sam Harris recently and the last half hour of the podcast was all about AI it was all about a conference that he had want to and he he had gone to this conference with uh like one idea about what AI was and left terrified and left saying well this is not just something to be fearful of this is something inevitable yeah and Elon musk's statement that we are summoning the demon was just horrific that's that's a terrifying thought chilling that it came From the mouth of such a smart dude too but it's G

to happen I think we are I mean the my my way of describing it and I've been talking about this for a long time that I think we are some sort of an electronic cocoon we are the electronic caterpillar that's going to become the butterfly we are we are developing into something like when a when a caterpillar creates a cocoon it doesn't know what the [ __ ] it's doing it's not reading manuals it didn't go to school for it It's like it's not like you know meeting together with other caterpillar support groups and are

you prepared for your transition into butterfly them no they just [ __ ] do it they don't even know why they're doing this is the next thing that I do now is I make this cocoon I think that's what we're doing I think that's what we're doing that our obsession with technology our obsession with Innovation I really firmly believe that we are fueling even through our Obsession with materialism cuz materialism ultimately you you always want the bigest best thing the newest latest greatest and the companies have to keep up so they're all competing you know

Nexus has to come up with a better phone because the iPhone 6s is out and then they you know [ __ ] boom boom boom boom boom and it keeps going faster and faster and faster until you you getting your dick sucked by a robot you know and then that robot is uh deciding That it wants to take over your house and turn into a nuclear fusion Center I mean who the [ __ ] knows what a hundred years from now looks like or a thousand years from now looks like but I think that what

we're seeing with all this electronic outrage and all these people communicating we're seeing this these initial blips of this new found ability to communicate you think new found Awakening it's an important step in the process of what you're saying or a Necessary it's it's inevitable but I think that I'm I'm very optimistic about where that's going to lead I think the beauty is and if we all realize that we're all just human beings and that competition is actually good because the real competition is with yourself to do your best and you are inspired by other

people who are doing their best you compare yourself to them and instead of [ __ ] on them instead of trying to put them down you Look at them and in get inspired or maybe not maybe you say I I appreciate the amount of effort that person's done but I don't want to work 12 hours a day I don't think that's smart I would rather surf I think surfing is the way to go I mean I think I have 80 years on this planet if I'm lucky I want to enjoy them in as richly fulfilling

a way as possible and you should be able to do that yes what have you um are you familiar with a guy Named shock Fresco yes yeah he does the uh the Venus Project and all about resource-based economies right he I mean he he simply um you know he talks about it like we have enough resources on the planet to sustain every human being that we will have for a long time equally fairly and they could do whatever they want as long as we got rid of the dollar as long as we got rid of

the need to to ear earn a dollar and to amass these dollars and to spend them and to enhance Your life through them if we just if you take like the inventory management system like that like Walmart has or Amazon has and scale it up to a global level and you inventory every blade of grass every tree every piece of wood every every raw material material that we have and then you create a system that for Distributing that equally and freely so that anybody can have anything at any time that they want that's a [

__ ] great Utopia H the problem with that is it removes incentive like there's a reason why people work hard one of the reasons why people work hard is because they want to get ahead that's the idea right you want to have a nice home you want to create a book you want to you know you want to put together a project that ultimately reaches a lot of people like when you're creating a game you how many people do you think would make that game if there was no money involved in it That's our incentive

now but maybe there would be a different incentive surface because you already see that in in in current day uh in current day capitalism you see like a teacher a teacher isn't doing what she does for the for the money you know um surgeons aren't arguably doing highly specialized surgeons aren't doing it for the money they're doing it for maybe they they had a child afflicted by a disease or they or researchers who do all this stuff Right they they don't live extravagant lives but they love to research they love to solve problems I think

maybe maybe there are enough people on in the planet who are passionate about doing things or or want to do something for a or or could want to do something for a higher reason than just money there's always going to be some that do but what percentage of our population are surgeons that do things specifically because they had a child afflicted by a Disease it's incredibly minute what percentage of our population is teachers that just want to help children and it's not that big it's small you know and I think most people are out there

struggling because they want a Lexus most people are out there want they want to move into the house down the block they want to and these are not wise choices in a lot of ways because they're not engineering their life in a way that's harmonious or that's really going To prepare them for a long healthy happy life they're just rat Wheeling it they're just hamster Wheeling it just [ __ ] spinning and and trying to collect [ __ ] until they die and I but I think ultimately that's like our transition from living as Apes

trying to compete against the other Apes in order to [ __ ] and make babies and then you get eaten by a Jaguar to live in an apartment in Los Angeles in 2015 and finding out that you got fired Because you made something on Twitter that you know upset people I mean there's there's this there's a transition involved there and the the radical transition of our our environment changing it when you jux toose that with our physical transition boy we're not much [ __ ] different than we were a thousand years ago but the world

sure as [ __ ] is yeah you'd be a fascinating guy to discuss like the firmy Paradox with I feel like cuz You're you said you're optimistic so like is where is that the ultimate Doom for Humanity I don't think there's an ultimate Doom I think Humanity look if you went back to the neander days and said listen you guys are [ __ ] let's just enjoy your time here keep throwing those [ __ ] Spears at Willie mammoths But ultimately you ain't G to make it what what would they do would they carry on

would they keep going would would you went back to the ancient hominids that Were living in Africa that had just climbed down from the trees and start experimenting with new food sources and trying to figure out tools would you say hey look guys I know you're you're you're trying real hard to keep your family alive you're trying to but your family's [ __ ] right your people are [ __ ] you know you haven't even figured out shoes you still have thumbs in your feet you're not going to make it there's going to be some

new thing that comes After you that's going to be awesome it's going to have a goatee it's going to be talking on a microphone on a podcast that's you you know you if you were standing in the savanas of Africa 300,000 years ago when our ancient homed ancestors first started traveling around and and figuring out hunting and all sorts of other things like you you would look like a goddamn alien if you walked out holding on to your phone and uh started taking pictures of them how much Different would that be than a spaceship Landing

in Washington DC and then coming out with a ray gun and and making duplicates of people right it would be probably less ridiculous if the the aliens did that than you showing up in Africa a half a million years ago but I think we would react to it differently than Africa half a million years ago would have reacted to that maybe um but I think that our future is like the alien that comes down and reproduces People with a laser I mean I I think our future is I think that's why the alien archetype exists

I I'm very pessimistic when it comes or very uh cynical when it comes to the idea of uh Alien Invasion oh yeah this the idea that we've been abducted the people have come here from or beings have come here from another planet it's more likely in my mind that that archetype exists because we we're extrapolating we're going from looking at gorillas to looking at people to Looking at well what are we going to become we we become this bigh headed thing with very little use for muscle and tissue we're probably going to communicate telepathically we're

not going to need mouths or vocal cords and we're we're probably not even going to need sex because we're probably going to reproduce through some sort of a genetic replication process created by scientists that's probably our future it's probably going to be more efficient More healthy we're we're our our monkey body that need sex we need to come and we need to feed it with food and all that we're kind of prisoners to that and I think slowly but surely if you can prove that people can be more harmonious or more happy or more healthy

or whatever the [ __ ] would be the benefit and in evolving past that I think it's almost inevitable I think that's when you look at this idea of this bigheaded thing with a little skinny body [ __ ] man That's that's it's kind of obvious like this is where we're going we're becoming more and more slender we're more we look at us in comparison to all the other animals like if you grab your dog's like fur like grab his skin it's [ __ ] tough it's like they bite each other and they don't even

get hurt that much right if you got bit by a dog you're [ __ ] man but dogs like two dogs would get mad at each other at a dog Pok and they bite each other and Everybody's okay walk off yeah you need put a little [ __ ] you know little rubbing alcohol on his little ouchie and he's fine two days later that doesn't even look like a hole anymore we'd be [ __ ] and I think our our soft fleshy bodies we're reacting to the lack of need to be hard you don't you

don't need fangs anymore you don't need a tough hide what you need is a big brain and what you need is technological innovation in order to to catch up to This incredible electronic world that we've created but again only a small tiny fraction of our society will be a part of that Evolution the vast majority are just going to be along for the ride for that so what does that mean for them why would they be along for the ride if if if I think the a tiny fraction can create that but just like how

many people use cell phones how many people use the Internet it's not a tiny fraction it's the vast majority and I Think ultimately that's what going to happen to the entire species I think the vast majority are going to be privy to the incredible Innovations of a tiny small few people like Elon Musk those are the ones those innov those Geniuses I hope so man and I couldn't it couldn't come any sooner honestly an asteroid or we need to we need to be thinking way bigger than than we are right now I mean you look

at issues even like climate change right it's it's a bigger issue Than just the United States um it's a it's a global issue and and the sooner that we can get on board on a global agenda but man did we get far removed from the way this conversation started we did but we didn't because I think ultimately what we're talking about when we're talking about this outrage this Twitter outrage I think ultimately what it really boils down to is a bunch of people that are being unreasonable and they're communicating in this Unreasonable way but they're

just there's they're out there there's a lot of them most people like what percentage of people do you think really commented on that and got outraged when when it comes to on the scheme of like America or on the planet less than 1% it's way less less than one of one tenth of 1% exactly it's a tiny amount so most people this is what I think we across every issue every Communications issue that there's a general challenge it's Hard to think critically critical thinking is not an easy thing to do and I think that think

that for a lot of people like take for example uh when two galaxies collide together what what how do you describe what it looks like describe what happens if you if you live through that when you pose that question there's no living through that no there's when when I when I pose the question to some people that's that's usually their answer right they go they Go oh two galaxies wide and it's just [ __ ] crashing to each other and planets exploding and Suns eating other stars and black holes eating each other and the reality

though when you think about and when you when you judge the magnitude of the distances between those objects the reality is statistically it's unlikely any two object would comp would impact at all they'll come close and you're going to have some gravitational effects but the the the Odds that any two object actually collides is really really really small and so when I think that when when you know you you pose that question to a lot of people that's they they imagine this apocalyptic scenario but it's just it's because they have a tough time um estimating

things they have a tough time thinking outside of their bubble outside of their own Consciousness into like you know what could that be it's why it's why Google used to have the um that Interview question that famous one like how many golf balls will fit in this uh would fit in this school bus right and a lot of people criticize that as like ah what a dumb question that has nothing to do with anything and it's like well they want to know do you do you say a million a billion or 100 thousand right they

want to know at what scale are you are you able to estimate the size of an object because that gives that just gives like a real quick feedback as to Like where are you on the critical thinking level mhm um so I think that when when you when you when you apply that to what we were talking about today I think that a lot of a lot of people have a tough time and myself included have a tough time estimating and uh and and oftentimes taking a step back from whatever their current daily issue is

whatever their current stress is whatever their current uh endorphin release they're seeking is whatever Their current thought is and they have a tough time always keeping in perspective perspective is the big the big the key here um keeping in perspective like what the rest of the universe is and the world is and and the other people even just next door to you are going through well there was an article that I tweeted today um from Yahoo from the UK evidence of the Multiverse we might have just bumped into another Universe H what was the Evidence

prare yourself God cuz uh you know it's one of those things you have to read like four four or five times inorder in order to like really figure out like wait wait what are you saying so you empathize me with me here you you you've been through those nights where you click like 14 15 links deep in Wikipedia and you get done and you're like four hours have gone by and you're like [ __ ] I'm fried I need to go to bed right now oh or I'll watch documentaries On hypernova or something like that

and you try to wrap your head around the idea of a a star exploding and taking out the entire solar system or many other solar systems nearby and the fact that this is happening millions of times a day all throughout the Universe there was a um a documentary that they had I don't remember was Science Channel or what channel it was on but where scientists at one point in time were concerned that there was a war going on In space because they were recognizing these gamma bursts these incredible bursts of massive amounts of energy and

they were happening at a in a repeated fashion all throughout the sky and they had they would try to figure out what the [ __ ] was going on is there an Alien War like this is like you know what could this be many decades ago sure and slowly but surely they started figuring out like oh my God these are exploding Stars these are novas and they happen All the time and if it happens close by that's a rrap civilization that's a wrap world that's a wrap oxygen no more water no no no you're not

going to need that no it's all it's all gone and that is the reality of the cosmos all throughout the sky when we look up there look up at Infinity somewhere out there where you you know in a an impossible distance away from us boom a star is exploding and that's what they do Jason Silva uh cool Astrophysicist guy he he uh Jason yeah he does Awesome YouTube videos he he he takes this incredibly difficult science and communicates in a way that we emotionally respond to and I love that and he had uh he was

just talking about like he said one line in one of his videos somewhere where he was like up there that's not an up there far away place you're in the middle of it you're you're in the middle of the universe right now like and even our galaxy right We we have these paintings of what the Milky Way galaxy looks like people a lot of times people don't even ever have the thought they would never need to even think about this that we don't have a picture of what our galaxy looks like we have an artist

rendition of what we think our galaxy looks like but the furthest craft we have is barely out of our own like Sun Belt it's a out of our own like gravitational for pole from our own Sun so um again that just we're not Even looking at it from outside not yet yeah our photos of the and it won't happen anytime inside of our lifetimes no unless we figure out how to bypass the speed of light thing man yeah and even then you know we're talking about hundreds of millions of light years right so even going

at the speed of light it's going to take a hundred million years the most mind [ __ ] statistic that I ever saw in one of these documentaries Was they were talking about the possibility of each they were talking about the the relative size of super massive black holes and that every galaxy has a super massive black hole that's 1 half of 1% of the mass of the Galaxy the large the Galaxy the large of the black hole and they're speculating that inside that black hole may be a whole another Universe with completely different laws

and that inside that universe may be other galaxies that have Super massive black holes of their Center and inside those super massive black holes there are other universes so in our hundreds of billions of galaxies there may be hundreds of billions of individual universes inside of those and when you go inside of them there's hundreds of billions of more individual galaxies with hundreds of billions of more individual universes inside of them and that is ultimately intensely fractal and it is truly infinite in that sense And which one of those are are we in right now

yeah it's mind [ __ ] but Cecil was a liing and he lived in Zimbabwe and he was loved Donald Sterling's a piece of [ __ ] don't joke about AIDS if you're white exactly yeah we're we're we're our our lack of perspective is uh alarming but [ __ ] it makes sense I mean we still have these goddamn monkey bodies and I think that's ultimately going to be the big pull or the big appeal of Transcending this physical embodiment that we carry our Consciousness in and then accepting this idea of a symbiotic relationship with

some sort of microchips and [ __ ] fiber optic lines or whatever the hell it's going to take form of I mean we're essentially symbiotically connected to technology already with glasses you know we need these [ __ ] things that we've created that cover over our eyes to see better or with phones man I left my house the Other day I got a 100 yards from my door and I went [ __ ] my phone it was like I left my baby on the roof like I had to turn around like I was terrified I

mean that's ridiculous I can't just go somewhere and uh borrow someone's phone and call my wife and go hey I left my phone and home I'll be home in a couple hours [ __ ] that well that's why when you say that that over the timeline you've seen we're getting closer and closer the connections when more people are getting Connected and we're getting connected with more people and closer I agree technologically but I feel like in the real physical world that we live in we're getting further apart and and we look at we look at

people's lives on social media like on Instagram and Facebook and you know all the models who are coming out right now with their posts about you Instagram models posting about how how you know what you don't see the side of it you don't see right The the hundred shots that it took uh her to get that perfect photo and the argument she got in with her sister over take one more take one more take one more before she got that perfect one that you're then liking and you're then trying to compare your life to we

we are pushing like our real Connections in real personal lives we're first of all we're judging ourselves based by this impossible unattainable standard on social media that that you know if People someone takes a bad picture they don't upload it they delete that one and they take a better picture and they take a better one and better one and better one until that's the one that that it doesn't even look it hardly looks like them anymore and now we're expected to measure us looking at the mirror against that perfectly lit perfect critiqued careful image of

what we think our our next best person is like and that's got some really weird implications to Evolution I'll give you one example real quick with Instagram is um I have a little sister and I'm I'm terrified of when every time she gets another social media account because I'm like oh no like like like you know where where where is this going to lead when I think about um young kids let's say impressionable teenagers who are going through the most important biological and neurological development phase of their of their what will be their adult Life

they're coming into their identity and they have access to this dopamine drip this endorphin drip in their brain that Generations before never had that kind of access to when a girl can upload a photo onto Instagram and start refreshing the dozens of you're hot baby sexy baby nice smile pretty girl and and and she does that during a time when she's otherwise dealing with a difficult conflicting emotion inside of her and that's now her drug that's her escape From otherwise facing that reality and growing through it the way Generations before did I'm not saying it's

necessarily bad or wrong maybe this is a better way to go through that stage of your life but maybe it's not maybe that's bad that you can so easily bypass all that hard [ __ ] you would have otherwise had to have dealt with internally what is that doing to to Evolution you know we don't know we won't know for a long time until we look Back on it and go that was that was probably not great or maybe we look back on it and go that's what led us to where we are but it's

got to have some impact I that kind of stuff you know I deal with on a daily basis is I try to figure out like how do I want to bring my games on these platforms and how I want my games to interact with people in these ways yeah that yeah I mean we really don't know we're just guessing these children are guinea pigs right they're Growing up in this weird world right I mean uh I grew up in a world where you could [ __ ] you could lie nobody knew you couldn't just Google

oh the Earth is only [ __ ] 35 miles across dude don't worry about it like now people go Google it they go you're an idiot it's 24,000 miles dummy like you're the smart one now exactly cuz you Googled it I think um I have this other thought about these things and this progression and I think That we look at the world we look at everything that's going on whether it's butterflies or elk or Eagles or caterpillars and we look at it all and we say well that's nature but we look at our our El

and because we're conscious and because we can make choices and because we can objectively look at the risks versus rewards of each decision and debate it amongst each other and seek advice from peers we don't think of it as natural we think of it as Something that we can manipulate and something that we can change and that we can alter but I think that human behavior might just be ultimately the most complex version of the natural world that we know and that all of our behavior all the stuff that we're doing whether it's our rampant

materialism our obsession with attention and Technology all this stuff is leading to what I said before that this electronic caterpillar I think That what we are what we're doing right now is totally natural and this uh obsession with checking your likes on your aspic to make sure that everybody thinks you're hot this is this is all just going to fuel your desire to get a better camera it's going to fuel your desire to uh get uh a new phone phone or to support the newest social media platform that's going to allow your ass to Shake

in a much more enticing way that's going to get you even more likes And and hearts and [ __ ] thumbs ups and emojis I I think it's natural I really do I mean I I don't know what we can do about it other than communicate our concerns about the potential downfalls of this behavior and this kind of thing confront the negative don't don't shy away from it confront it solve the ne problems that are coming with it as well keep an open mind about it and and never stop communicating as soon as we do

that we've we've lost we've lost Sight of what the goal it was and that's what's a huge problem with that company firing you CU they they impeded on your ability to communicate and you communicated in a very concise objective analytical way you looked at the problem he said look this guy he has every right to be an old bigot in the privacy of his own home like the fact that you got in trouble for that it's it shows the repercussions and the downfalls of this new time and when we stop communicating Yes and especially when

well also when you let in too many voices like how about you and that guy sitting down you and that guy that wanted to fire you how we sit down and have a [ __ ] conversation right I mean not don't shut off my email stupid like what are you doing meet at Starbucks how about [ __ ] you you know I mean wouldn't you have loved to have a few million bucks in the bank right then oh boy and just go [ __ ] suck my dick stupid oh boy and then just Go online

and just do a YouTube video listen to what this dummy just tell me well I did that they they they were trying to dangle Severance and stuff and and and pay yeah I I I said [ __ ] no to that you know I when that whole thing was unfolding um it it got it got like a lot because so a lot of media Outlets you you um I I linked you to the um OPI and Anthony they they talked about it and they completely H my back obviously because those guys are super Level-headed people

but but the um the the media [ __ ] storm that started to unfold CNN Fox News everybody every major Outlet was reaching out to me trying to get me to come on their show and I was sitting at a crosss I I'm a Communications professional I knew that and I had seen what happened to to Justine sacko I think that happened before me um and and I I was I was well aware of where this could go for me in my career in my personal life so I Realized that you know I need to

take control of of the of the pr [ __ ] storm I need to be the one who makes the Right Moves while the company makes all the wrong moves and I need to get this back on track so they didn't you know part part of their terms they didn't want me to do any media appearances whatsoever they of course they wanted it to go away right of course cowards and so I I couldn't I couldn't take the blood money I I had to you know make sure that how Much that wind up costing you

uh a lot yeah yeah tens tens of thousands of dollars good for you [ __ ] them I hope it costs them even more yeah they um you know what how they keep how' that guy keep his job the guy who fired you how he keep his job the the the culture of that company was different to you got to it would take a long time to unpack the the the complexities of how a publisher relationship works with a studio in our industry and so they were at the studio Level and they just wanted to

make [ __ ] games they're artists they're creators they just wanted to make cool [ __ ] and go to work and and have fun doing it and then the the publisher was the one who had the business relationships they're the ones who had relationships with the NBA that they were afraid of but they were funding the studi development they didn't own the studio but they funded it and so like when it comes down from the top where They go oh you know he can't work on the project anymore not going to we're not going

to give you any more funding it's like I I would have Lov for someone from that company to to call the bluff because I don't think that would it would have ever come to that but um but they couldn't and I it sucks that they got put in that position it sucks that that no one there could have the backbone I know I how I would have handled it if I was running that company At the time what would you have done I AB I would have I would have said I would have said I

would have called The Bluff of the of the publishing company and I would have said that's ridiculous uh wait a day nothing is going to happen and we'll talk about it again tomorrow and then when nothing happened and when everything goes away and no business deals were threatened we'd go now what was the big [ __ ] deal yeah what was the big [ __ ] deal let's finish making The game let's not have a bunch of people mad at us because we we you know trampled all over someone's constitutional rights and let's let's um

you know let's Implement his good ideas that was the other thing that they lost was all these programs and initiatives that I was building and that I was going to take charge of and run through the games launch cycle and keeping all of the players engaged and all the stuff I had done before I was going to do again For them on this new IP this new thing that like that needed that work more than anything it didn't have anything to build off of it was starting from zero um all that was gone like they

didn't have a person to come in that that could carry those those you know carry that torch further and finish the job I had started good well good that's their punishment for being [ __ ] it sucks it sucked for everybody but you like your new job better I do like my new job Better I I I get to I get to make um and that I get explain what your new job is people at home well so um so anybody who knows video games I work for a company now called 3D Realms huge company

it well they used to be a huge company small company now but huge name right because they're the guys who made like Duke Nukem you know what I mean Commander Kean like these are some of the most retro old school classics that that that you know influenced an entire Industry and is there less people working in now oh absolutely yeah they they for for the last decade where they weren't really doing anything um it it it just you know shrink shrink shrink shrink shrink so now they they they had a bunch of litigation that was

happening as well um that they were able to finally put to rest and now the company's able to look to the Future and so they brought me on to be like let's let's start let's build this thing back Up and we're going to start with a new IP and that new IP is called bombshell what is an IP what are you intellectual property okay CU I hear Internet Protocol I'm like how's that a nerd IP intellectual property it's just it's a it's a franchise so bombshell's the new brand the new game creating a whole new

slate of characters um and it's uh it's it's what we want to to start that sort of comeback for 3D round the game I don't know you you said you Played games huge gamer um for a long time for many many years to a point where I had to walk away cuz I was wasting way too much time playing mostly Quake okay that was the big one I was playing Quake online [ __ ] 8 10 hours a day sometimes yeah but Duke Nukem I know that there was a new one that they worked on

forever it got to be a joke forever yeah but it got to be a joke like people the online joke was you know it's going to come out right after Duke Nukem comes out or there was these jokes about when it would come out yeah it did come out eventually right it did come out eventually and um and it's tough for anything that that goes for 12 years of hyp 12 years it was like yeah it was like something like 12 years how does that happen explain that to me well I wasn't here for that

so I don't I don't know all the story but you're not responsible from what I know yes from what I know is uh the game just went Through a lot of uh iteration so every year the next big thing came out and the game was no longer the next big thing so they had to add some more stuff to it to try to beat the next the thing that just came out then something else came out and and so this constant trying to you know striving for Perfection and there was other problems and there was

lots of uh controversy you could read articles um for for you know for days literally days where people are just investigating That whole evolution of that franch what were they using for the 3D engine was it the Unreal Engine it kept changing that was the thing like the the engine kept changing the technology kept changing the requirements kept changing everything kept changing in instead of just polishing something up sticking with what you had and getting it out the door you you you compare that to the game we're working on now like bombshell right bombshell is

built on Unreal Engine 3 that's the last generation of Unreal Engine unreal engine's on four now it's just it's Unreal Engine now um and and but but imagine if if they in if for bomb show we had in indefinitely kept upgrading the engine changing new technologies implementing new technologies and new workflows and new stacks and new things breaking it would never end it would be a never ending building and in cycle so that was kind of what Duke my perspective any of what Duke Nukem was stuck in for a long time so it was just

a poor management of the project and and you know creatively you could you could debate whether it was also creatively like um you know almost like this this need for Perfection you know like like no one no one pixel can be out of place that type of thing um and people did they pointed fingers to that whole thing but at the end of the day what came it out was Duke Nukem Forever and and it wasn't um you know I Don't think anything could stain like a decade of hype and ever live up to that

expectation was it good was it a good game did people enjoy it no it was it was a pretty infamously like poor game it wasn't like but again I don't think that it was the fault of the of the game or the developers I think it was maybe maybe to some extent but but I think more than anything it was failed by its own image it was like it was like this it was built up and and Gamers had like Built this this expectation in their head about what it could be and then it just

it wasn't you know it never had a chance of living up to that um imagine rebooting a like a crazy old franchise and it just never living up to it uh living up to what you would have expected from that yeah that kind of it's It's kind of impossible right I mean it's it's to have something go on for 12 years it's like they just have to get it out to cut their losses right Yeah so so that that you know happened finally it's it's it's in the past and now we're able to to focus

on the future which is which is new IP which is bomb did you you so you're familiar with Duke Nukem enough you know what that character was like sure well back in the day in the 9s that kind of character works right because it's a super one-dimensional character Arnold Schwarzenegger and Predator exactly just just the the the perfect stereotype of What that like Schwarzenegger or Stallone character was from the 80s will reincarnated in video game form in the 90s right well um that kind of character doesn't really work anymore yeah there he is super brooding

masculinity and just come get some yeah so that big belt buckle so that that character doesn't even that character today would have it would have trouble playing people come to expect more depth and complexity from I feel like from their characters Certainly in movies and in in all the video games we play so things evolve so bombshell uh was a character she's not one of those but she was a character who actually originated in the Duke Nukem era like back in the 90s she was concepted and conceived as a sidekick to Duke Nukem and so

when she was originally conceived she was this kind of overly satirical version of the of the female sexy Tai chick as well in the same way Duke was right which may have Played back then but it it certainly wouldn't play today in the culture that we have now with with feminism and with women and gaming and and and even beyond that just simply she wasn't a complex character she wasn't an interesting character she wasn't propelling necessarily that storyline so we had to kind of go back to the drawing board with this version of bombshell the

one that we've been working on the last couple of years who she's badass yeah Well that's even the that's the old version of bomshell what does she look like now so now she's she's much less bare mid drifts right much less skin H yeah let's pull up uh that one down down down right above the one you had open that one yes that's the same one no no the the one where she's holding the rub over yes yeah so this is this much there yeah you don't see much but over here click on the two

to the right one down that one Yes oh no that's not it either well close out of this go to just go to bomb shell.com because we actually bought this domain away from uh it used to be like some porn Mogul had it no like tits an ass oh no yeah so we we bought how much you have to pay for it I I don't know it was before my time but but got got it away from that and now we've turned it into that's the so she's got this bionic arm and she as a

character is defined more by who what she's been Through and and and like way very multifaceted personalities and attributes not just traits not just physical appearance do you have to run this past feminism and gaming to make sure that it's okay no but what I need to ask for all Gamers right is to look at this and go it's not it's not easy making a a a strong female character that can uh sustain that that can appeal to both men and women um Tomb Raider right so we get to draw from awesome Inspirations like Laura

Croft Sarah Connor even Ripley right um and and we're able to look at like yeah this works but what makes that thing work it's not it's not the physical appearance it's not what you look like it's it's who you are and what you stand for so Shelly bombshell she got her nickname because she was like the foremost bomb disposal expert in the gdf is that how she lost her arm it is how she lost her arm and so now talking About her like she's real it's kind of disturbing me dude she to us she is

and and we want to see it and cosplayers can bring it to life dude oh cosplayers um so um she was a part of the Duke Nukem franchise she was if you scroll down uh or you can click on the media link at the top you can see more screenshots that are a little bit closer there you go is Duke Nukem the only game that well there's da Katana right that was another game that kind of went that Way right it would was dragged on it was John Romero after he left ID software it was

a little yeah it was sort of typ casty as well that was a [ __ ] good game though sure that that game got [ __ ] over that was a fun game like the physics were cool it was like very much like Quake one but with better graphics the weapons were cool yes yeah and and and I'm Excuse me I'm not saying those games don't have a place they do right and and that's the thing like like we What we don't want to be doing to to creators to creative people to artists is making

them kind of like kind of like we didn't want to walk on eggshells with comat with talking about these controversial issues today and I feel like we didn't we don't want our artists walking on eggshells worried about worried about well what are people going to think are they going to be are they going to be down our necks for being sexist or misogynist or or in some some Negative negative aspect of of Pop Culture well she's got big tits so you're in trouble right look at her like people are going to definitely say that you're

doing something wrong because she's hot I hope not so far no one has I mean well they haven't even seen it yet wait till this [ __ ] podcast goes live she she is hot and wait until you watch a trailer I don't know if you're able to thing she's got to fight is that the boss it's one of the bosses yeah I don't Know can you can you pull up videos cuz you should you should pull up the zerth guardian you guys shut down our YouTube video can you yeah well make sure you don't

shut down our YouTube videos cuz that's what happens that's what they do CU you're an intellectual property of whatever [ __ ] comp oh you're talking about us oh no you don't that there's got to be some company at the head of this though absolutely it's our company yeah but do you have the the poll can You really make this happen absolutely you'll never all right find a video Jamie go to bombshell.com if you scroll up it's the top one at the here right a little bit down that middle one all right here we go

yep full screen the packs trailer or is yeah the packs one all right hit that [ __ ] and Go full screen I also love our music we have an incredible composer in our game his name is Andrew H little preoccupied right now I know You're angry but you can't obsess over the past this isn't the time couldn't agree more what was that what's going on here whoa why is it freezing def okay stop pause listen we can't watch it like this I know pause it let it uh let it load up it is loaded

I saw the buffer yeah something's wrong with your [ __ ] shitty buffer on YouTube try it from the beginning [Music] Jamie these are the zerth Guardians they you think it's because you went full screen probably noted right now I know you're angry but you can't obsess like this F this isn't the talk couldn't agree more what was that defile huh English isn't that convenient so she'll through the game kind of be like breaking the fourth wall talking to the Audience it's almost like she knows this is like uh you're looking at it's third person

it's top down yeah it's an isometric game so so this is It's amazing looking at this now how seeing how far along even from when this video is recorded how much better the game is but these are the zerth Guardians one of the boss fights so you're playing with two sticks on your controller um so you're you're running around with the left one and you're aiming with the Right thumb stick and then and then you're just you're shooting you're using different abilities different um you know she's got her Mighty punch she's got eight different weapons

that she can standard Xbox type controller PlayStation yep Xbox one and PlayStation 4 it's going to be like the the controllers that you come to expect on PC which is releasing later this month is the keyboard and mouse configuration as well so that's it always be topped Down like this no so sometimes um we pull it down into third person got jacked it was made by it was made on the Unreal Engine so we're able to build it in super high fidelity and you can bring down the camera to be like a third person game

almost and the game was actually kind of designed to be a first person or third person shooter yeah first person is my favorite because it feels like you're actually there you know you're running through these 3D Worlds top down is like you're you you're watching well if you love quake and if you love uh first person shooters we actually have a build engine prequel to bombshell that's going to come out uh uh after this game that um that takes place in the first person and it looks very retro style like oh so when is this

game out uh so this game comes out November 26th uh on PC yeah this is where they merge together this is stage three of Boss PC's coming out first yeah Oh wow they merge yeah they they literally merged together now so now they're one giant boss oh this seems like a hard game to play yeah it's got have you ever played Dark Souls no it's got times where it's kind of got Dark Souls difficulty it's not an easy game but it's also a very accessible game and and easy to pick up and play but it

looks awesome very Co this is the kill sequence and this to me kind of Def personality look you it defines her Personality yeah sets the tone for who she is for folks watching this at home I mean listening to this which is the vast majority of the people this is not that fun so uh for them go to bombshell.com and you can watch these videos and check it out but very cool graphics looks like a fun game to play and if you're really into games this is probably something you check out the the thing about

games that I like is that the amount of [ __ ] entertainment you get from a really good video game like how much does a good video game cost these days typically they're 59 bucks 60 bucks think about how many hours of entertainment you can get from what especially if you turn into a first-person shooter where you go online and play multiplayer right oh my God hundreds of hours people are putting in this thing incredible and and this game is not going to be that much this game Would be like 39 bucks it's it's a

single player only game doesn't have online yeah single player only game but we want to make like Co-op this game would be so fun for that but like yeah like you talk about even the full price games like the Call of Duty will be 60 bucks right well that game with with how many hours you get to put into it you compare it to like a two-hour movie that you see for 12 bucks or 14 bucks down at the AMC right Um and you're getting so much bigger bang For Your Entertainment dollar buying a video

game than you would in a movie and so a lot of times like when people are are worried about our games getting too pricey you know with mobile games being so cheap and so affordable that they are um you know with how much entertainment you're getting out of it it's crazy I I I don't think these artists are getting paid enough honestly well the amount of money that you guys Make though in video games is bigger than any movie now right oh yeah yes it's it's surpassed I think 2012 or 13 that's crazy when it

surpassed Hollywood yeah when did it surpass porn I don't know that it surpass way earlier porn doesn't make that much money anymore does it no more they say the way porn makes big money these days and this is kind of a sneaky thing is um uh hotels pview in hotels that's where people buy porn interesting that's That's where people most of the time buy porn well if you're a business guy you can expense the trip you can expense it on your trip 1999 for a movie H what did you watch hm yeah if you play

if you play bombshell and if you walk away with a different image jump into your head than just that blonde babe scantily clad tits and ass then we've done something we left an impression on you that that tells you that that what defines a bomb show what Defines a badass chick is is more of her context in her life and what she's doing and how she's combating that adversity then it is what she looks like are you guys preparing for feminist blowback feminism and gaming blowback no I mean I think about it a little bit

more myself just because of the way I think and what I've been through through but that's not what the the team at inter interceptors the studio in Denmark making that game um intercept no one there is thinking That they're just thinking we have this idea for an incredible incredible chick an incredible villain too uh Jadis hll he's the villain you didn't see him in that trailer but he's the lead antagonist he's voiced by the voice of Duke Nukem John St John so he's also part of the 3D Realms family still they're just looking at making

Incredible characters with a a fun story no one's saying this story is serious like you saw she she rides a a shield And punches him in the face to do the exec well she throws some grenades Under The Shield blows them up and goes flying which is like that classic over-the-top almost baction movie type stuff right but that's that's the game that we're making we don't want it to be too serious we want it to still be on the fun side of serus now speaking of technology and Technology of the future are you guys going

to start doing things like Oculus Rift you going to start Producing games for for something that's like completely immersive like that we couldn't man um we don't want to say no to anything we couldn't say yes now we could done nothing to announce on your show unfortunately but it's it's the technology is amazing have you tried it have you worn those I've only worn well I've worn two two versions I've worn the original version which is very pixelated which was okay amazing because it gave me this like whoa this idea of like I See where

this is going and then more recently um my friend Lewis from unbox therapy was in here and he showed me one that's a cell phone you slide it in Galaxy yeah Samsung phone and you put it on but it's still not the real deal the real deal is the one that hooks up to a computer and but I saw that video where you get to look around it's completely three-dimensional the guy playing the piano have you seen that one it's yeah it's mindblowing I've worn both the the Valve has their Vive and then you have

um you have the Oculus riff Sony has the uh has theirs what's the best one uh they're they're all they're all they're all bleeding edge they're all like you know to me they're all like at the same level they all have their different things one has more refresh rate one has higher resolution one has the hand tracking so you can move your hands and stuff like they're all they're all just it's such a new technology they're all Making great strides and and the the but no matter what one you're playing on the the experience is

so hard to describe I'm going to do it Injustice right now but it's like you really are in a different world I played a simulation where I was standing in this um uh this this it was like a like a jail cell like a jail Hall and there's this T-Rex you hear it and it comes around the corner and it starts walking towards you and it's roaring it's super high fidelity And you can look around you can move you can move around and when he started walking at me I had this like visceral natural instinct

to duck down and then it detected that I had ducked it down because it can have the motion tracking like the Wii remotes do and uh and so he leaned down and like looked at me and roared in my face then he walked over me and I realized that I've never had like that reaction from a normal game where I've like had to physically move in my Space but that made me have this like response in my I felt my heart rate going up that was so much more immersive and you can you have to

experience it if you have ever a chance to go to like a trade show like Penny Arcade Expo packs south or Ps East um go to these trade shows and like wait in line it's worth it try it out because it's such an incredible experience well I know John karmac is involved with some Oculus riff stuff cuz we were tweeting back and Forth and I've been ID Studios way back when before um Quake 3 was uh released I got to play like an early version of it with Tim Willets and all all those guys online

or on a land rather it was really [ __ ] cool but they're doing some crazy Oculus Rift [ __ ] and I just can only imagine what that's going to be like the first Oculus game we make I'll bring you in I want you to see it I want you to tell us what you what you think well the firsters shooter in Oculus Rift Would probably if you can get some sort of an omnidirectional treadmill that feels realistic they have those too already it's tough It's like a workout it's it's really hard to be

in those which is great because you know one of the things about Dance Dance Revolution um that game that's like really popular in arcades one of the cool side effects is a lot of people lost weight like a shitload of weight because they were Gamers but they got really into playing This one game and this game requires you to jump around and bounce around and they were burning off all these [ __ ] crazy calories and there's mean I think there's a whole website dedicated to Dance Dance Revolution uh weight loss like it's showing all

these people that have lost like [ __ ] 60 70 80 pounds just playing this silly game this it's fun and they're having fun doing it now think about a firstperson shooter like unreal style right and you're running Around these corridors you got an Oculus Rift headset on um um omnidirectional treadmill which means you can go left right back forth uh 45 degree angles up and down [ __ ] man and then you you these a lot of these treadmills they operate on you pushing them because they don't move like uh a treadmill you have

to keep up with it it's your Footprints are actually forcing it to move so there's a little bit of resistance to it the one that I had the one that I saw I didn't Get to try it though is they they had this thing this almost sock thing you put on instead of a shoe it's like a boot that's super soft material and then rather than the thing being ATT trct that you have to move and have all that resistance cuz that was harder to move it was this really slick surface so you're still Bound

in but you just Glide your feet over it oh W that's cool and so you like polish it up like a almost like a like a bowling alley you would And so you're almost like walking in place and gliding and because you still have that harness holding up you don't slip and fall um and that was kind of interesting too that is kind of interesting I would think one would be better for Fitness yeah absolutely we could probably get some really good workouts in with an omnidirectional treadmill with resistance I mean if you're if you're

like I know there's one that they're working on that I had heard Is [ __ ] terrifying it's based on Ridley Scott's alien the the the first alien movie the game the game yeah yeah and have you seen it I've seen the clips yeah I've heard it's [ __ ] horrifying where people are worried that people are literally going to get heart attacks yes cuz you're and you have to duck and you see it you actually see it walking around and it's trying to find you and you physically have to duck and move Your body

down so that it can't see you in the game and when it finds you it Roars at you and you watch the Youtube videos the Fine Brothers It's the Fine Brothers YouTube channel where they have these um they have these like Teens React videos they'll put a teenagers in chairs they'll film them reacting to these things it's so [ __ ] funny to watch them they clawing they're clawing at their eyes trying to get the thing off because it was terrifying them yeah Well isn't that isn't this like sort of a glimpse of what's going

to happen when they figure out how to make some sort of not just goggles that you put on like like what they're doing with oculus rift but some sort of a neural interface where they bring you into this world would you ever want to leave that world that's the question right I mean is that where we're going Matrix maybe I mean when we're talking about artificial life maybe that's how artificial life it's Going to co-opt us they go look man we got this thing you know you don't need to live like this baby you know

I mean how many people are out there just can't get people to touch them they're so sad so depressed why would you do that when you can be Robin Hood right you can literally okay this is the people we're watching a video of the people wearing the Oculus Rift and uh oh [ __ ] turn it up Jamie oh my God this is Amazing oh first of all it moves like a really highlevel 3D shooter with high resolution but it's total Oculus Rift get away from me oh my God it's running it's running at you

is that mean it got her yeah oh that's hilarious I don't want to speak cuz I'm so convinced that this is all happening and then when it eats them it happens in front of them they can they can see themselves look down and see their intestines getting ripped Out yeah oh terrific she's like damn it I just got jacked whoa so when when that little face is on the corner does that mean it got you yeah there was it's a little bit buggy too that they were playing like a a glitchy build and whatnot we're

seeing the future right I mean if you go back to pong and you look at what you've got now with bombshell and you look at this and go what the [ __ ] is that I mean pong was what 80 70 or yeah long time ago I don't even remember I don't know I don't remember what year it was what year do you think pong was take a guess jamy 60s 60s yeah no really a long time ago 72 I guess 72 1972 okay so think of that think of 72 and now think of what's

going to be like 40 years from now how quick and how quick we got here yeah that's the thing 40 years sounds like a long time 43 years ain't [ __ ] no well especially if you extrapolate you know you look at Like what's going on today it's exponential it's not just 40 years from now it's like 40 years 40 days let's let's go just back to 2005 right just just 10 years 2005 the video games were they were they were completely different they were still in large part Sprite driven Sprites are bit well I'm

not going to get into the techn yeah I'm not going to get into the technical Jaret but what does that mean it's it's not truly 3D like the effects are are fak 2D Oh I see what you're saying yeah it's just like a bunch of 2D objects put together and and in anyway um but this this virtual reality was something that always had been talked about a long time ago it was always like the thing like one day we're going to have virtual reality I mean it was it was a big plotline in movies and

like the 1980s but the technology wasn't there but now the technolog is finally caught up to it and again this is just the beginning It's going to get crazier than this right I would hope so I would assume so for my future um what what what I want to know is how is it going to change like what you know so how Netflix is changed the way like Hollywood and and how TV shows are made like I want to know what those I'm I can't wait to find out and and experience through it um the

effect that's going to have on gam well there how about movies there was a um there was a movie That uh they did a trailer for that was in Oculus Rift and uh a movie in Oculus Rift yeah it was completely 3 dimensional like you could get inside the movie you could move around and watch things happen from different places inside the movie that's incredible yeah and this I think what they did I saw it online and uh they were just sort of demonstrating it it might just be like a proof of concept sort of

a thing sure but they were doing It in real time and this person was like moving around watching all this [ __ ] happen I mean we're going to go like if you go to a movie theater right mhm you're sitting in a theater it's this big whole big giant Place everybody sitting down eating popcorn watching this flat screen in front of you where everything takes place what if instead of that you enter into a warehouse and that warehouse is the film you strap on these goggles and they have an Environment with wind and heat

and all sorts of different three-dimensional environmental effects right that can allow you like different terrain like maybe the the the the terrain is uh somehow or another pliable or movable or liid that can change what you what the effects of it are yeah and you could you could walk around in the Shire I mean you could be in the [ __ ] Hobbit land climbing the hill to where Bill Bo baggin's house is opening the door Looking at him and he's telling you to come on inside what this isn't this isn't unrealistic right oh it's

already here there's the one proof of concept video maybe Jamie can find it where it's uh they with the Oculus Rift they created three they created a third person shooter so it's it's a real life third person game where the guy has a a wide- angle camera mounted in a backpack on his back that is back here so it looks down and it can see himself Standing there and he's wearing on these these these 3D glasses and it it's doing the head tracking in real time there's maybe like an 80 millisecond DeLay So it almost

imperceivable so he's seeing his own he's literally living an outof Body Experience through Oculus R and he's walking around like he's a third person Avatar through the world wow right well you know some games allow you to go from third person to first person yeah to allow you switch Back and forth that's going to be uh like to look at your own hands in the game on the trigger you know you can see your hand pulling and that's what the Vive was too in Oculus I think Oculus came out with a peripheral as well now

where you hold you hold these little things in your hands and now the head tracking device can track or the cameras can track where your hands are with in relation to your eyes so you can hold a gun up and see the gun that you're Holding yeah it totally makes sense why would wouldn't you you know I mean if if your game I mean that would be so much more immersive if you had a game that required you to shoot at monsters with a shotgun and you had a fake shotgun but it was heavy like

a metal shotgun it had a real cocking mechanism and you could really see the shells eject you had to put new shells in maybe yeah like maybe you have shells in your pocket and that's how you reload like maybe you Have like a bucket of shells [ __ ] it could be awesome well you've seen Hollow lens right no Hollow lens is is in a lot of ways even even better have I seen it Microsoft thing the Microsoft uh where they had they had aliens breaking through the walls of your home so you it's not

it's not goggles it's like a lens and so you still see your space but it's like as soon as you put them on you could look at that wall and now suddenly an alien Can break through the wall and it make it actually makes it look like your wall is tearing apart and alien's climbing through it and then you're shooting at the alien in your own house at your own wall so it's bringing video games into your world instead of putting transplanting you into another world Hollow lens is bringing that game experience into wherever your

space is I forgot the name of it yeah but I do remember that now and then there was the Other one um what was it magic leap yeah that's the other one where they're they're showing 3D Holograms like of a little elephant dancing in your hand they've actually shown that uh Magic leap demonstrations have come out recently I'll try to find it for you real quick yeah they've shown something yeah like a like a real demonstration concept oo well they had one that was fascinating was this little girl sitting On her bed watching a 4in

high ballerina spinning around on her bed like it was a real ballerina like it was [ __ ] Tinkerbell oh my God yeah and again what does that do to a generation of mindblowing new inspiration and Imagination that no other generation like ours had yeah and where does it lead because obviously they're going to take it to the next place as they become more educated and they go to school and they learn how to create this kind of Content and they learn how to evolve it and make it better and make the technology better and

[ __ ] Christ man we're in for some weird [ __ ] it's a good time to be alive it's amazing it's the best time to be alive ever and we have so much [ __ ] to complain about though yeah we've always had [ __ ] to complain about oh this is real yeah it says that this was shot through the magic leak right okay play it like two weeks ago whoa whoa October 14th 2015 no special Effects or compositing were you us and it's not all glitchy it's not like having trouble it's so

smooth with every motion of the so that's underneath the table we're looking at this robot thing this is super cool oh whoa this girl sitting at a desk and she's uh excellent posture by the way and as she's sitting there there is a [ __ ] solar system floating over her desk but it looks real well it looks realistic at least yeah there's Trails That's what they're trying to show is the focus it reacts to the depth of field of the real world yeah whoa wow as as so as you get close to it if

you look at it like you can focus on earth like there's it's our solar system there's our sun and it's all the planets are the right size and the proper order and just imagine the the the applications for this imagine when a science teacher can put this in a classroom and let you like walk around a a universe or a Galaxy and Interact with the object in in like your actual space what I'm confused is what's the projection method how are they doing that it it's a lens that they're wearing correct me if I'm wrong

Jamie I don't know this one I think they are not letting anyone know I think as of right now CU it's super high concept and they're not sharing cuz that girl was playing it all cool she wasn't even looking at the solar system right next to her you know it's kind of hor [ __ ] if if that was like holl lenses technology they were they had the camera looking at through the filter that would be projecting that into the world so you still to wear a device I I would assume I would assume okay

I would assume yeah because there was one image that they had uh where it was a floating whale they were on the beach and they were looking up and above the beach like where the sand is there was a whale that was floating in the sky I could only Imagine that that would be the case if you were wearing some goggles or something like that how else you how you going to project something in the air and have it look completely three-dimensional and solid and you know look at this this is the one oh yeah

I did see this clip oh my God but here's the thing weren't so weren't all of them in the YouTube clip I saw all the people in the room were reacting too exactly but here you seeing A bunch of kids in a gymnasium that are watching this whale fly through the air but the kids don't have anything on their eyes that we can see right this see this is kind of [ __ ] like they'll tell us eventually yeah but obviously this is some stu stuff they're working on right now yeah when I saw the

clip I assumed that they were just reacting to the they were just acting because they had said oh now there's a whale jumping out and just React so that it makes the viral video on you that's what I thought happened but might be [ __ ] it's weird you know it's weird to be alive now and see all this stuff happening and just just the speculation of what it's going to be like in a decade well you're a little bit older than me um what I mean 4 you're 48 so you got to experience how

old are you 2 old than you you got you got to experience what time was like as an Adult before all this stuff so even what was yourp yeah well I remember no internet you know 1994 I got my first computer uh was a as an old Mac back when Mac only had tan those boxes you know I had one of those and uh I remember thinking what how crazy is this internet thing you've got mail you know go on AOL and look around it's been completely fascinating to watch that evolve and watch it change

and a lot of it happened while I was uh while I was On news radio um the guys that I worked with uh a lot of the writers were like heavily into video games and those guys got me addicted to Quake It was Quake 2 at the time because they had developed a local area network they had uh installed a land in their office and they had spent a shitload of time they supposed to be writing they would they would play games till like 2:00 in the morning and then start writing but it was so

crazy I I could I had never seen anything like It and that's how I became like massively addicted but also addicted to the internet and that's when I started going online and finding out about websites and reading things and realizing you get your news online I was like this is amazing you could read the news and then like you get the news in real time then I was think well well you don't have to wait till the morning for the paper to come out you just wait for the website refresh and then it got Smaller

and it kept getting smaller and you have it in your pocket at any moment you can get notified when news happens yeah that's got to be see you I think you you and even me in a lot of ways cuz I remember a time before that too I was younger but I remember when the internet was really getting into our house um so I feel like we were like in a great a great generation for perspective and go not to go back to to all that stuff again but it's like the Next Generation Even even

even like my my um younger sister's generation like they didn't have all that perspective necessarily and now I have little toddlers and nephews who are growing up with with you know iPads and they're they're they're doing stuff sitting on the couch after school on their iPad and so I'm I'm just worried like and what do you think do you think you were you and I are in like the good the best generation for perspective or do you think that it's Better to be a gener a generation now or a generation before you and I um

well I think if you want to compare the two there's no way they're going to to understand what it was like to not have the internet they're not going to understand it it's going to be a concept it's like us understanding what it was like before written language right we're never going to get it we can we can pretend all we like we're never going to really know what that's like but I think The leap between written language no written language written language took so much longer to have an impact than what we're experiencing in

in just a couple of decades in a couple of decades the world has changed radically and it's happened right in front of our eyes and I think thats have a difficult time recognizing change while it's taking place right in front of them I think it just seems normal to us but I think when when history looks back at this era They're going to say this is the craziest moment in time this was when it all began this was the birth of the machine this was when it came alive when information became viral for the first

time like literally viral like became almost a living organism and spread and there was hiccups and there was Justine Sako and Josh Olan and there was all sorts of weird [ __ ] that happened along the way and viral videos and [ __ ] that what is that [ __ ] guy from Korea Gangham Style there's all sort there's all strange things have happened you know strange things hamster damps there's been a lot of weird stuff that's happened because of the internet but ultimately it's it's amazing it's more good than bad oh yeah way more

good I think people are more informed more educ and I think they're kind I really do I think you despite all these cuns that get crazy over stuff I think there's more good stuff coming from people Online if it's it's also the communities that you Foster like the the people that I'm in contact with that connect to me through this podcast or through my other stuff they're super positive it's like so much more kind I you can find pockets of douchebags they they find form these little communities and they just [ __ ] in each

other's mouths all day you're gonna find that with any with sports you're going to find that with the video games with any just you're going to have Like-minded communities and some of them are going to be toxic but for the most part what I encounter and the people that I interact with online incredibly positive even criticisms like the criticisms that I've experienced online for the most part the vast majority of them are polite vast majority you know I I think that's rare I think also people are learning how to use social media and the internet

and this new found ability they're learning how to do it and some People do it wrong I mean there's some people that have like essentially attack blogs you go to their blog it's just them [ __ ] on one person or [ __ ] on another person and why are they doing that well they're doing that because they can you know because is the first time they've ever had a voice in their whole life and they're going to use it to displace you know some of the anger and hate that they have in their own

life and just throw it out there in the World and this these are all like hiccups and growing pains and I think it's amazing I really really do that's what that's why I do what I do that's why I like to I like to still be talking to as many people as I can and changing and influencing in a positive way hopefully as many lives as I can because just like the universe you know I'm a part of it I'm in the middle of it and I want to I want to be a part of

it and I want you to be a part of it that's why I Love comedians too and I respect comedians because they talk they talk about these kinds of social issues with such you know just un just absolutely brazenness and and they don't care most people don't care what other people think about it and they make they make you laugh at the same time that they make you really think and be thoughtful about it so I really respect what you do and and and you know kind of Paving the way for that cuz you you

were doing that In an era before there was social media so well it was easier before there was social media you you didn't get attacked for it it was limited to one room at a time right you got attacked in that room you know but I think people had less of uh they had less of this uh entitlement to outrage that people have now and I think that there has been some attacks on comedians that have gone sort of the way that you know you see these attacks on people for whatever reason in Social media

whether it's the lion killer guy or Justine Saka or you there's going to be these targets that exist and they have occasionally gone after Comedians and for the most part comedians have vehemently and aggressively like supported and and defended themselves that yeah and defended one another it's a super important thing like Daniel Tosh had an incident that you know there was a few comedians that Actually turned on them and they were ostracized by the community you know the people will never respect them or forget that they for social media brownie points they tried to pretend

that what he did was some outrageous thing okay by cracking jokes so it happens everywhere because that was the one the one thing that I wish would have if I could have changed anything about what happened with with me it would have been that I would have loved for more of my peers to Come out and been like this is wrong I would have loved for more people to have had you know the the the gonads to come out and say [ __ ] that he didn't do anything wrong publicly they all came to be

privately man empathizing right but as you would expect friends to do but I would have loved for for people to have been like you know what that's it's not okay and I because I see that all the time in the comic Community where that's how you fight that that's how you get Back against that and that's how you make sure that that [ __ ] doesn't you know resurge and take over well we have to because without that the art form is [ __ ] I mean it really doesn't even exist the the the the

art form of standup comedy depends upon freedom because you're going to say things that are offensive you know that you don't even mean because the offensive things will be funny you know and you got to know when you mean him or when you don't mean Him like I went through this whole bit in my last special where I was explaining like there there's a Tracy Morgan bit that he got in trouble for cuz he said that if his son was gay he would stab him and then I'm like well he also said he would eat

a mile of [ __ ] to get to Beyonce's ass do you understand he said both of those things in the same set like like you got to like look at what he's doing he's saying things that are outrageous that are not real he's Not in court given an affidavit he's making a joke because he knows that some parents are [ __ ] when their sons come out to them right and that's the joke that he was making and I understand that you don't think that's what he was doing I think he was pretending that

he would stab his son if he was gay cuz it's outrageous I don't think he was saying or as simple as that but yeah I don't think it was like a social stand like we was taking a Stand on social issues and mocking those parents that would do that no I think he's pretending that he would do that you know be funny but it's pretend but the last thing that he was doing is suggesting that's okay yes exactly the exactly you know I mean people people have to look at what stand-up comedy is the same

way they look at movies if you watch good fell is okay nobody really got shot when they made that movie it was it was fake it Was it was entertainment and if you listen to rap music same thing okay they're not really shooting cops so what what people what people think is is they argue that that by by fetishizing that by pretending that that we're somehow changing soci culture and and I completely reject that theory right in video games we get that a lot with violence in video games there was a lot of lot of

uh lawsuits actually went to to the Supreme Court in California over California versus the the EMA and um thankfully video games won it was like a 7 to2 vote but the the what they were arguing is that violent video games can lead to these mass shootings can lead to violence in real life lead to aggression despite not a single study supporting any of that evidence and and I come to realize that video games as an industry we're just we're just younger as a as a as a as a as an art form we're younger we're

a very immature industry just like Movies just like music Eminem uh and and Marilyn Manson went through the same scrutiny back when they were having violent and vulgar rap lyrics right they went for them aie Osborne you know people were blaming them for kids killing people and every time we come to realize you know it's probably not real it's probably not the case and uh no matter what someone writes in a Manifesto or what someone you know might might might some study person might Think you know at some University um there's nothing that suggests that

and if anything there's data that suggests that you know these things as mediums or releases they lower regress they they um they make people happier and better people overall yeah the release you know that there's this idea that watching something violent and watching something sexual and watching these things that are horrific they release this anxiety and Rel release the desire to actually Do those things yeah and that you can somehow or another by you know by viewing those alleviate those issues in your own mind I used to work on Call of Duty and so we

of course like game like that has a close interaction with the with the armed services with with our our our militaries and uh and and every time that I met with them they would tell me stories about things like you know so vets would talk about how they deal with Like PTSD they deal with adjusting to society by playing Call of Duty or or people on deployment in in like fobs like you know boots in the sand would talk about going to you know going in and playing these things cuz they would have little uh

almost like internet cafes they'd have little tent set up where they go in and play these uh play the games on on workstations and um and we actually would send sometimes Xboxes out to them and and and um and you know Help them um get through that stuff uh and and again to them it was like that was their way of of keeping a you know a sense of sanity and normaly to their their otherwise hell the hell they had to go through and that you know those stories just they always ring home to me

and I realize that um no matter how much but again it's just perspective it's like I it it still tears me down to think that we're still deting these things we're still debating whether Violent video games or here's why the debate is [ __ ] would it affect you if you went and saw a violent video game or a violent movie would you go out and commit violence because of it no you're a grown adult so are what are we doing with video games are we raising children with them no you're raising your [ __

] kid okay and if your kid grows up to be a suicide bomber or a mass murderer or a rapist you can't blame movies man it's not the movie's fault there were way More influential factors in that kid's life that led him to where he was than ex exactly and usually whatever angst that they have is you know they're they're seeking some sort of a relief through those video games and if they have [ __ ] up thoughts inside their head it's not Quinton Tarantino didn't put him in there Aussie Osborne didn't put him in

there you know Call of Duty didn't put him in there it just didn't it's not it's not the case they can live Vicariously through those horrible things and not want to commit crimes and that's and you know the argument could be made for that sexually too you know there's a lot of people that believe that porn uh even crazy porn alleviates people's desires and need to do [ __ ] up things sexually or yeah or to do the thing that they watched in the in in the porn exactly yeah um and that's a good thing

that's not making that's not desensitizing them that's not again that All comes from a place I think just lack of understanding and almost it comes from a place of closed-mindedness you're it's that confirmation bias you have a theory and so you will look at the world through the stained glass lenses of that theory instead of looking at it objectively and understanding the data and what the data is telling you and you're always going to have examples where you can point the finger at that person and blame whatever influences From the media whether it's music or

games or films or anything for for their their behavior and their actions but you you're going to have to look at all the factors in your life and what percentage of the pie is the video game is it even a sliver I mean is it even a percent or 2% what about the 98% of them getting sexually abused or beaten up or bullied or the fact their mom drank like a fish when they were in the womb who the [ __ ] knows what it makes what makes a broken Person the idea that a person

could be perfectly normal then sit down and play Call of Duty and want to go [ __ ] shoot up a mall that's crazy talk and you as an adult producing a product that is supposed to be it at the very least your parents are supposed to approve your use of it right the but most of it is like kid kids that are you know in their teens or older those are they they formed their own personalities already you're not getting your personality from Playing bombshell and even still we still have rating systems just like

the movies have the npaa we still have the ESRB we're still properly raing them and making sure that parents have to sign off if they're going to buy the thing with the kid they to be there in the store you have to have a guard you know we still have all those same systems just in case right because it's still good to be better safe than sorry agree but not to the degree that you're Removing an entire genre of game or genre of entertainment because of it that's being too safe and people should be allowed

to vote with their pocketbook right you know you should be able to vote with your wallet vote with if you think that something's offensive and you you think Grand Theft Auto it it legitimizes robbery and and violence and I don't want to be a part of that so this is what you do you just don't buy it it's real simple and that let the Open market decide and the idea that you we're going to [ __ ] Nanny State the whole world it's nonsense it's nonsense and I think video games have been the latest victim

or the the latest in our culture of something that Tipper Gore tried to do with rap music and I mean it's been done forever it's been done forever they've always tried to find a scapegoat for why people are [ __ ] up but people are [ __ ] up cuz people are [ __ ] up deal with it right deal with It face it we don't understand it but that's okay we we we have we have more work to do to figure it out don't just go to the easy thing the easy explanation that that

makes you feel more comfortable at night yeah we're not talking about John Carpenter what is that movie he did where the the people read the book in the mouth of Madness they read the book and they went [ __ ] crazy from reading the book no there's a giant number of people who play Call of Duty and never shoot anybody okay you got to take them into account you can't just say well this guy played Call of Duty and then he went on shot what else did he do did that guy pee well when he

pees it made him go out and shoot people yeah no more peeing did he drink milk well [ __ ] milk kills milk's out there killing babies that's nonsense it's like it's like it's like everything causes cancer everything causes cancer these days well everything causes death Because you're we all die right so everything you do you get online that's causing death we're [ __ ] I think we worked out a lot of [ __ ] today Josh I feel good about this POS thanks for letting me talk to you about it my pleasure brother my

pleasure and good luck with your game good luck with bombshell and uh and uh everything else you do man I really appreciate it was a lot of fun cheers brother um jdor what is it 2020 what does that Stand for it's it's funny it it there's a story uh I'll come on next time and tell you about it okay next time jd2020 on Twitter Josh Olen ladies and gentlemen all right see you [ __ ] next week [Music]