So, I'm going to ask another question because the predominant view right now is not this. I don't know if you guys knew that. Oh, yeah.
Um, the predominant view is uh from a gentleman called Louis Fir. Y and uh why should we not adopt Weir's view of this since it's the predominant view? I read a bunch of Louis Wear's books.
I used to be an advocate student of what he wrote and I thought that what he was saying was true. So I have this unique position in which I used to actually teach this but now I'm teaching in a different way. And what's amazing is after seeing Rising of the Turks and then comparing what I read from Louis Weir, I was like, "Well, I must have been duped because clearly there's something missing in what he is writing about.
" And I just want to read a couple of these quotes from the truth concerning Mr. white Uriah Smith and the King of the North. This was pretty much his rebuke about those people who adhered to Uriah Smith.
Let me read you a couple of these things. We have to choose between the spirit of prophecy teaching on the final conflict and be clad in the armor of Christ's righteousness or accept Uriah Smith's presentation of the final conflict and fail to understand fully the teachings of righteousness by faith. So that is quite the confounded statement.
It is such a statement because what he's saying is is that if you accept this view, then you pretty much are aligning with Uriah Smith in his rejection of righteousness by faith and Ellen White. Yes. And opposing Ellen White, which isn't even correct because we have testimony of Uriah Smith converting and adhering to what Mr.
White's rebuke to him was in regards to this message. Mhm. Mhm.
So, never mind that, but let's continue cuz it gets better. Um, the most wonderful teaching that our Lord Jesus is preciously near to the Christian in his struggles with the powers of darkness, giving him victory now and in the final conflict is hidden from those who believe that Turkey is the king of the north and that Armageddon refers to a military war. These statements are very direct statements.
Yes. And if someone's reading this, it's going to be like, "Wow, we don't want to be caught up in caught up in something that is hiding truth from us. And if we teach this, we're being hid from truth.
" Now, he's making some I don't know if you would call it literary spiritual leaps to get to this conclusion, but again, uh he's he's implying that if you believe this, you don't believe righteousness by faith, you don't believe all of this. And that's a very strong argument to make. And so continuing on, Uriah Smith, having changed his view of the king of the north from that of Rome to Turkey by 1871, was confirmed in his newer belief at the time of the 1888 crisis concerning the theme of righteousness by faith.
His belief obviously did not provide him with the spiritual discernment and strength to discern and receive the message the Lord sent his people at that time. The worldly interpretation he espoused would blind him to the full import of the message of righteousness by faith and it would foster the spirit of human pride and stubbornness he manifested during those testing times. Wow.
you know, understanding the history a little bit better now in regards to the pioneers. Not to say that Uriah Smith had always had it right because he's human. We're all human.
We we are growing. But to make this statement that this was direct by holding this view. This is the reason why he didn't accept the message of righteousness by faith.
By holding this view, that is a marvelous statement to make and a gross statement to make at best. Yeah. And yeah, just brace yourselves because it only gets better.
the spirit of prophecy significantly in testimonies uh to ministers page 465 to 468 I coupled the true interpretation the non-military or spiritual application of the revelator's description of the final conflict in Revelation 16:14 and and pause for a second I just want to emphasize we've been reading where Ellen White says we should not spiritualize and that we should read the literal obvious text and that's Miller's rules who she said if we give the three angels message we must use Miller's rules and he's literally using the wording that we're warned against using and he's using this like it is a great thing. I just wanted to point that out with the rebellion manifested in connection with the presentation of the teaching of righteousness by faith in 1888 and the same rebellion to repeated in the time of the loud cry and listen to this and the present writer who was Louisie Weir basing his judgment upon much data. So how much data did he have?
A whole lot a whole lot of data is firmly of the opinion that that opposition to the message of righteousness by faith to be proclaimed in the loud cry will come from those who will refuse to accept the truth concerning the final conflict as taught in the spirit of prophecy. namely a battle in which every soul must be fully surrendered to God and kept by divine power or form an alliance with Satan against heaven and join in battle against the ruler of the universe. They will stubbornly follow Uriah Smith's teaching concerning Turkey being the king of the north and Armageddon, a battle between the nations, and will brace themselves to what?
Resist the spread of the true light and will oppose the work as declared by the spirit of prophecy. Strong statement. Reading on his presentation that Turkey is the king of the north, Daniel 11, and that Armageddon refers to a military battle in Palestine is a part of a of the Jesuit fostered system of interpretation, the counterfeit of the spirit of prophecy teaching concerning the final conflict.
If that doesn't scare you, I don't know what would. That's the kind of accusations that Louis Wears is using against this message because really he's trying to invoke that you're becoming Jesuit by accepting that Turkey has anything to do with the king of the north. That's a pretty severe statement.
Yeah. And I want you all to focus in on because we're about to go over this. Those who hold this view reject the message of righteousness by faith.
Yes. Those who hold this view. Is that a true statement that Louis Weir is making?
No. No. We're going to find that though.
And we're going to find out very quickly. So, and again, I hope that throughout the course of this camp meeting, we're really showing you you need to ask a lot of questions. Yes.
Is that true? Is that statement true? Did I read that for myself in the pioneer writings?
Did I read the true midnight cry myself? Did I read this? Did I read that myself?
Or am I just hearing it even from us on stage? Yeah. You need to study yourself.
You need to be a watchman yourself. Yeah. And it's interesting you said that cuz we had to ask these questions as well.
Yeah. Which is why we kept digging. is what he's saying true?
And you keep reading, you keep digging, and you realize, well, it's not really going in line with what he's saying. And th those are the quotes that we're going to try to present. And again, what Louis is saying is that this is your Smith's opinion.
Is that the truth? And does it lead you to reject righteousness by faith? And is that a big cycle?
Wow. Yeah. And now we're going to see that Jones and Wagner hold the same view as Urs Smith.
And who is Jones and Wagner? The proponent of the 1888 message. Yep.
Righteousness by faith. That's how we met. It's on righteousness by faith.
Teaching y this message. And we wanted to be sure that okay that's mean Jones and Wagner believe the king of the north is the papacy. And when we did our research it wasn't true.
So we were kind of shocked. And let me read what Wagner is saying. The Turk himself understands that he will be driven from Europe and that then the Messiah will come.
The one sure thing in this world is the fulfillment of prophecy. It has been fulfilled. It will be the events will follow the removal of the Turkish capital to Jerusalem are narrated in Revelation um 16.
The battle of Armageddon is one of them. We continue again the scene of conflicts becomes the land of Palestine. It is here that the battle of the last days of Armageddon is to be fought.
And more than one prophet has described the gathering of the nation to the final conflict here and in this the king of the north is to come to his end and none shall help him. So what do we see here? Wagner saying the king of the north is Turkey, the one who upheld righteousness by faith.
So Luis wear just lied on and he said that he did it with much information, right? Much data. Much data.
If he just looked up Wagner, who promoted righteousness by faith, he would see that that was not quite true. Exactly. So you see when you don't read you'll just take these statesman like okay I'm going to stay away from Turkey because I don't want to reject 1888 the light of the four angel.
So he's tricking people when we got to this statement and Jones. Now let's look at Jones. What then are the scriptures that relate to Turkey in this time?
The last verses of Daniel 11 relate to Turkey. Turkey, which as the king of the north with the center of at Constantinople occupies in direct descent the place of the original king of the north in the division of the empire of Alexander the Great. what Nick just said and as it as it the fourth verse and onward and of this power is written he shall plant the tabernacle of his palace between the seas and the glorious holy mountain yet he shall come to his end and none shall help him will continue in answer to this question there is one thing that is certainly clear that is that the spirit of God is saying to men and to the world that the last plagues, the preparing of the way of the king of the east and the gathering of the kings of the world and the world battle of Armageddon is the final meaning and the only culmination of the eastern question.
That is quite the statement. Yes, that the final and only culmination of the eastern question is that Armageddon is a literal battle involving the kings of the east and Turkey. That is quite the statement.
Yeah. So would that be enough for you guys to see that you are going to reject righteousness by faith if you accept this message? No.
No. It you know it's the opposite. It's the opposite because it seemed for a long time so unlikely that Turkey, who's Turkey, is going to go and be involved in the battle of Armageddon.
This huge worldwide war is what he's saying. It takes righteousness by faith. You have to have faith to act on this statement that this is actually what the eastern question is.
Yes. And also to tell people when God gives us prophecy, it's for us to believe by faith that this is coming. Cuz a lot of times you might not see that what's going on around you is pointing towards that.
So you need that element of faith. So to believe that Turkey, you know, and that Armageddon is a literal war, you need faith. You It's not rejecting faith because at the time for for quite some time, Turkey was nothing was happening with Turkey.
Yes. And we're going to touch into that and go over these things. But um Turkey became quite secular and yes, put religion, at least the Muslim religion, aside.
And so if you were living during those times and you would look at Bible and what the pioneers believed in, you would say you would be tempted to say, "Well, they had it wrong. " But that's why God gives us prophecy is that despite what's going on around you, yep, this is going to come to pass. Habac 2.
Mhm. Now, and I want to just make a uh a comparison because when the Adventist church started saying that there would be a you know a Sunday law and they would take away your freedoms and you wouldn't be able to buy or sell and all these things for us. Now looking at the world events and we're seeing you know project 2025 and we're seeing all these things.
It seems logical. It seems like this is a possibility at that time. If you read the pioneers, they said they were proclaiming, "We know this makes no sense.
We know it looks like this could never happen. " Why? Because they were so close to that time where they came from Europe to get away from religious persecution.
So they were saying, if you read in Daniel and Revelation by Uriah Smith, they were all proclaiming, "We get it. It doesn't make sense that this could happen, that it seems nobody would want to do this, but if the Bible says it, it's going to happen. Amen.
And we have to have the same faith to say the same kind of thing.
