[Music] my name is Mario CRO and to there I will be talking about ranking systems let me give you a little bit about my background first I'm originally from Spain in case you're wondering what is accent come from I am I'm very competitive you may have heard of the important is to participate know the important is to win don't forget if you're like me you project stand Y ranking systems are so important I back in the day I practiced a lot of competitive sports in particular rowing you know this racing with boats I was pretty
good at it I also play some online games like a Starcraft I was pretty terrible at it multitasking is not my thing seems like then moved to the US started working on the major leads gaming where I got experience on US ports later work on games for about five years and Linden Lab and others live here in San Francisco and I work for twitch interactive you know the cool video platform but I didn't really get to dig deep into ranking systems and till I was working in one of my side projects which is jump craft
this is like a tiny experiment think of it as a mario maker but with simple pixel graphics which are super cool and in this game players make their own maps which are pixelated and just in just draw around but then the system will estimate what is the actual difficulty of the map the system knows of them eventually the system knows if the map is hard or easy how does it well it has a ranking where it will match players versus map the player gets to play a random map if the player is able to get
to the end player wins if the player dies before getting to the end then it has to realize but if he loses all the lives then player loses in the map wins for the ranking system they are both the same thing I did it using a true skill implementation in Ruby which is what I was coding and for the system there's only one rank but I saw different ranks for both players and maps so if I'm up if many players keep dying in the same map the map is slowly goes up up the ladder of
difficulty this talk is gonna be about 30 minutes and I'm going to talk about elope system true skill building on top of Hilo's ideas and at the end practical considerations to build your on I'm afraid I'm not gonna give like the super awesome answer to all your problems with yellow as a player or as a designer if any I probably raised even more questions in your head hopefully one of those questions lead to an answer that solves your specific problem let's start with the first example the yellow rating system Annihilus start by introducing the man
who started it all with the serbs less no less than this amazing confetti animation our padilha animation is awesome well our Pattillo born hungarian came to the United States it was a physics professor and master chess player while playing chess he identified problems with a previous ranking system called harness which was a little a little bit subjective in some sense and the pendulum which tsunamis you play on how so he proposed a a new system with more sound statistical basis called the elo rating system I would put my name as well on it I will
call the mario system well that system was adopted by the World Chess Federation quickly in the 70s and he ended up probably seen the rating of chess players past and present in 78 which you all can read if you want Oh fun fact up until the mid eighties yellow himself was running all the calculations for all the players manually wasn't the heart because back then they were like no more than 2,000 players but still thanks hello later computers to cover as they will with all of us at some point so yellow system is all based
on their normal distribution assuming that Chet's players performance are at random distributed variable Oh in the eyes of L oh you are all as lines yes you are all slime pool everybody yeah which just like a slime your skill is not here not there is somewhere in between and the system is not really sure what it is but has some idea is more or less here in the center now if you are more to the right you are a better this line you are more to the left you're worse at line so sorry blues line
the formula and nothing that the formula in allows for 1vs1 players because that's the only thing in supports and nowadays there are many different ways of approaching this problem but this is the simplest the simplest possible ways so it's the start from here after a given match when two players played there will be a transfer of points from the the player that lost in to the player that wins this rate in difference is the score which is a number is zero you lose one for the win - the spective and respect that is from 0
to 1 the probability that the system is expecting to happen before so is what is expected but what happened - what was expected to happen before and then I multiplied by the K factor which is this an randomness is not under number sorry is this a number is a constant and that you have to assign to the system this is just because without the K factor you will always be transferring points between 0 and 1 so we'd like transfer points from R if seen 71 so you make a bigger slower K factor it's also used
for adjusting the speed of transfer so inside the same ladder you can make that lower players have a higher K factor and then towards the up upper paths of the ranking a smaller k k factor but think about it as an update speed much of the trick here is in figuring perspective and that's what the system is doing is predicting what will happen then adjusting based on what actually happened the original elog system assumes this formula what is that formula came from well it came from the union of these lines where the two slimes totes
together does an area there that you can integrate and you can know what is the actual probability that player is actually better than player B élow suggested like shape for like the same shape for design for everybody assuming some standard deviation assuming that chess players were in the performance were under a normal distribution but you could use any other distribution you will get a different formula re another day you get that expected probability of player a of winning is is based on the difference only which will player a and B as an example well this
is what the this is the kind of numbers you will get with this formula let's assume player E is 0 points better than player B he will have a 50% chance of winning which is obvious if he has hundred points and this all comes from that 400 number in there which you can use a different scale but it Alaura generally as you know in chess it goes from 1500 to like 2,000 you can use a different scale but in Moody's scale 100 points will be new 64 percent chance of winning 200 give you seventy six
and so on this is what the system predicts this is an example with Bob analyse Bob is a new player he has 1500 points Elise is one more experience and has 1900 the system believes that the spected probability of both of winning is nine percent Annelise is the other the other part 91 percent well what happens using a key factor of three two and you would use either ten thirty depending on the case this is the amount of points that you will be transferring if Bob wins he will get 29 points because that was a
big surprise for the system it Bob loses he will only lose three points and this means that the system is self adjusting in theory you can match anybody of different difficulties and amount of points will be transferred based on on the actual difference of a score in practice we'll see later is is not a usually one of much players are actually closer to each other to avoid those outliers a few comments on Ehlo and we'll wrap up here is a very well understood system means there's an advantage whatever you use it other people will know
to expect what happens with it it only works for one versus one it also means team versus team but you do can only track the team points not every individual player unless you do yourself some kind of distribution inside it it's simple body simplicity is also great the strength is still widely used nowadays also if players understand how it works and they can run their numbers in the calculator like you know used to do himself is a it also feels the k-factor is some sort of like incognito that you have to find out what is
the good one for you there are many many different ways that will be its own hook and nowadays there are many different implementations almost nobody uses exactly as as originally stated because obviously we have more data even for chests we have more data and right now but what is the actual standard deviation and what illo assume at at the beginning also new players can take a long time to converge to the correct skill is rating with this means that they need to play many many games in order to get to something that reflects their actual
skill let's move on into the next ranking system that I'm describing today which is true skill I'm talking about rascal specifically because it builds on top of the ideas of alone true skill ranking system was developed by Microsoft Research design originally for allowing to have a more general system for xbox live game games I think the first one that that when life implementing this was halo 2 online improves of open yellow ideas well I think Microsoft Research acid is a terrible jobs terrible job so they deserve amazing comfort animation yeah this is awesome - talk
I'm gonna use this animation for every single slide make it so much better so the difference the main difference there are many difference with your scale it could a little later will come when compared with yellow but the main difference is that there are two variables now one is a new operator skill and that is pretty much what he'll have like I'm countin on the million on the sorry on the average of the of the standard deviation of on the average of the gospel or this this line curve sine curve is much easier and Sigma
which is a degree of uncertainty so now you can model not only what is your belief on the player skill but also how much you believe it like do you believe is here with many a certainty or not so in the eyes of true skills you're also is limes and if you going to explain this is that the new players lines will be sword and fight like the blue one and more advanced players will look more like a tall and thin lines where the system is a lot more certain their skill actually belongs somewhere in
that area now if you have two variables what did you sow to the players can you tell players like well this is your ranking this is your new and this is your Sigma well you gotta come up with a single number trueskill suggests a very conservative rating of MU minus 3 times the Sigma which gets 90 98 percent coverage of the whole area of the curve that is very conservative in meaning that you the system actually believe that the actual skill of the player is nineteen ninety-eight percent likely to be more than what you saw
which also means when you do updates is likely to go up no likely to hold them which is a this is just like to improve the perception with using Sigma's and news as well aus the blue slam down there will show himself a rating of zero so this was just a very good way to start players on the ranking when they say see themselves would run in zero instead of Anila where they start with 1500 which it feels like Warren would be the number coming from at least for them it's an example with the simplest
cases simplest case I mean because in true skills you can model multiplayer games a person says 16 versus 16 even even teams of three versus three versus three versus three you don't need to do any tricks you just feed that data into true skill true skill fills out every individual skill update based on what happening in those teams and the simplest case is one versus one which is very similar if it was with two players that have exactly same standard deviation that would be equivalent to elope very much but you can you can count with
different with different different levels of of the Sigma Natalya for example here we'll see herself as first game will have that new and Sigma Eric in the other hand has been playing for a while and has a much smaller Sigma which means less uncertainty what happens if Natalya wins big surprise for the system which allows to give her a very big update she he goes astray for and rating zero to fifteen or how it would be used in an expose life is the Cole level now that I'm using the same a sexual life from one
or from zero to fifty which is which is why they use 51 you can get sometimes I'm gonna go back and forth with this animation so you can see that data later so you see Natalia gets a big update in her new but Eric only gets like a tiny update down that is because he has a lot more certainty natalia also gets a big decrease in the Sigma and Eric also gets a pretty much no not no difference in reality he's getting like a molest small tiny down but it's rounded to 125 so once the
Sigma is a small it doesn't change that much but at first it changed fast this allows the system to quickly convert to the true skill to get very very fast to what you're actually working what is your actual skill as a player again for the simplest case those are the formulas you can find online there are public we're kind of complicated obviously they are really not that complicated I'm not going to go over because we have limited time here if you wanna see them Microsoft Research published them there are so which you can find from
a link from the Wikipedia a few comments about true skill it is more flexible at least when compared with yellow you can model many different types of competitive games what I mean with this it allows you to model not only one versus one but also multiplayers it has a parameter for the chances of drawing which in some case you can draw more like in other cases like god and racing you do not roll you will always get at some point it also models the luck versus a skill which is very important in some games like
trading card games have more luck involved chess has less lag which you know usually you will have to come up with your own gauss bell formation for for getting more close to the actual probability of winning or losing it as quickly converts at least morph way faster than ello as example as i was mentioning before eight or sixteen players playing against each other randomize the system will need about three to five games to not to get a very good prediction of of their skill if you are talking about teams like League of Legends for example
five versus five that means a lot more games even even if you randomize the team for informations will need about 50 games in order to get a good a good prediction this is because ill oh sorry through skills Amos Hilo it only counts wins and losses he doesn't track in performance of players inside teams but it works calculations are very complex as as you saw before fools fools but today's not a problem with computers you don't need you know to run the numbers game by game although if they are complex that also means players sometimes
don't understand what's going on and when things don't go the way they expect they'll be like it's unfair it's broken has a bug this using the Sigma makes easy to model new players whether in yellow is usually a problem and downside is that is proprietary you may have to pay Microsoft although there are greater great alternatives are there are some free implementations or at least I think they're free to to be used which don't model exactly the same astro skill but they are close enough there is also the glucose system which has a lot of
the benefits of use interest skill but it's also modeled after one versus one players it's also simpler but it also converges to the true skill of the player very fast now after seeing some of the theory let's move on into the considerations if you want to build your own just just doing math is not enough for having a good ranking system out there so what makes for a good ranking system well it needs to be credible I think this is the most important thing if players is all about player perception at the end if they
don't perceive that this thing is doing the right thing it doesn't work in is too easy to implement this also obvious but thatís implies that if your system is too complicated it'll be problematic both for players to track what's going on and also treatment which also means easy to to to do box to find box to supply the system depending on the case there are many other things different games have different requirements ranking systems are used everywhere so let's review a few practical issues here I'm gonna go over one of those one by one there
are more but those are the ones that I can fit in this time start from complexity food again foods they are clearly love Jackie Chan is great well the more precise and flexible your system is the more complex it is if he is too complex is hard to understand and also complex systems are easier to cheat never forget that simplicity goes a long way after all you know still widely news work why not ease subjectivity well the more subjective elements into your system the more complexity you can digest that's it probably the best ways to
do that the extreme example will be a gymnastics tournament where the research that says seven point seven nine point one five nine nine point nine they just say a number and that's it that is that yes all that complexity is super simple this just need one person say that well still is important that the players or the or the disinter sport people that is competing beliefs and believes that the rating is credible if they trusted yes then then it's fine actually also it's important to tell that system like you know more more mathematical they also
have a lot of subjectivity involved but is more subtle for example you know you have to guess what is the best K factor for for your case also you know assume what is the standard deviation inside the players but those things are more subtle in flexion in the flexion of a scores well as course may keep going up over time why why is this this is because the prediction of the system gives you even if it gives you a very good estimation I mean may have like a one percent error that one percent error cannot
over time you do you thinking about centralized chess what's being player played over hundreds of years they can adapt over time well in most cases games done last 400 years unfortunately and so it's usually not an issue for you you shouldn't have to worry about these too much but if it happens there are things you can do like in chess nowadays sometimes there give bonus points after tournaments which helped feed points into the system to to make them grow that they can actually make for example new player to start with less a score so there's
less points into the system you can you can try to control that some hard well hello there new players when you have a new player into your game your system what is skilled you don't know they may be an expert already somebody that was playing and created a new account the most of the time there will be new players also the trick is usually isn't to guess what is the average of all of the new players already starting and also what is the update that you give your players well crew skilling and glucose is they
have explicitly model the uncertainty of the players with a Sigma they make a big Sigma they make them those lines fat and short but Ino doesn't have that so Alok and Pattillo can work out with having a bigger K factor on the lower ranks this of Y placement matches are very useful around 10 games is usually enough to have a decent estimation of the starting point of of those players even if it's just for matching them better against others on those initially engine didn't want on your game to have the initial few games to be
about experience time decay happens between game you waiting there like the Frog well returning players may be out of sales in ello this is a problem because Hilo doesn't doesn't doesn't model time decay at all you may spend like a few months without playing you go back and you're first you're actually skill is below what the weather system believes it is your first games will be bad experience because you need to lose a bunch of times until you get back to your original place interest clearing gleeko since they model uncertainty again the decision to solve
it true skill at least they're the the algorithm that describe microsoft desert research suggests that after every single game you just increase the uncertainty a little more that usually helps gleeko models precisely increase the Sigma based on how long pass since the previous game with biggest uncertainty the system updates way faster back to to the original skills so you will also lose the first games but maybe two games instead of six teams in order to get back to your to your skill I had fun once and it was awful that's what the grumpy cat says
probably when a play on the ranking well ranking can be brutally honest it tells you how bad you are do they want to know that most players realistically they just want to feel progressing they just want to feel the improve over time well for four games I believe this is the most important slide of it all so you have mathematics behind but at the end is again the ranking system doesn't have to be so their score doesn't have necessary to be what they see in fact many many games do a system like trueskill formats making
the players but they saw them a different different score the score is a cumulative there are many accumulative systems I'm not covering them in here but there may be a great solution for for some cases a cumulative means that they just get points as they win this means also that players can play play play play - Congrats but in some cases this is fine for example in actual chess tournaments how many systems you can play during a year is not that easy to actually do this you know in other words that could work better for
circle cases the recite missions like hurts and ass with some some loot to to get so you feel you want something even if you lose the game localities employed important play against your friends so it's not as scary you can also do divisions like in some starcraft ladder would you play against the same hundred people for for for the season hierarchy is important so it's more fun to be a goal player than saying I'm a player with 773 points so you can talk with other people never forget the fun factor is important game in the
system like the most interesting man in the world well much making should be random in general at least if you wanna this is the easiest way to avoid people game in your system when I was young I could play against my little brother Starcraft and I will win every single time mine in one point at a time mining one point at time but the system didn't allow me to explicitly target him that is that is mostly why those assignments on random well it happens that usually in tournaments since the pool of players is small there
is no targeting players but that gives the players a good idea of who they are playing against and that sometimes can be problematic for example in Magic the Gathering they used to use yellow before but the actual distribution of yellow gives a heart like between the best player and the worst player ela says others like a 99% of chance for the best player to win maybe in reality magic is more like 70% only because there is still more random factor which means they don't they don't want to play against when they're on the top they
don't want to play to don't lose their their ranking and this could be a problem that that led them to change a more cumulative system call please please work at points which was varies for them margin of victory this is a an easy one this is just why why does these systems count for victories only and they don't count for how many points you make inside well this will be very useful especially for team games so you can track who who's contributing to the team victory more but it's always problematic every time you put a
metric that that players can maximize without thinking other team that that can lead to unhealthy matches as well so it's usually best to stay keep it simple unless you have a very good reason not to now if you do keep the margin of victory and that gives you more information your system can be even even more accurate I guess this callback goes back again to complexity pursue simplicity in in many games there's really no place at home for example in basketball is is well known in a study that there is an actual home advantage like
the referee may be biased having the crowd cheering for you is empowering there are things that make and definitely their basketball ranking rating a skill rating systems that that take this into account and with a very decent chance of winning this is just another variable that you could use in your in your rating system is it is an easy one to use this one doesn't increase complexity much and English could be you know the favorite maps or something that you find out what you believe these players have a higher chance to to win already and
here the dreaded 50% win ratio well by by definition much making systems like ello and true skill they're they're trying if you well they what they do is to predict try to track the skill of players therefore you can create high quality matches and high quality matches means some games were both players have roughly the same chance of winning because that makes it more interesting remember that in a ranking ranking itself is a zero-sum game if you give more wins top player they're moving more wins from the other players so the best you can have
is 50% radio realistically many players actually they they like to win more often I wouldn't put my hand in the fire but I would say this is even so more true for Millennials they they need to win all the time well know that how do you defeat this well you cannot defeat this with a ranking system you can offer side activities like the star graphic a non-competitive Wiggles you just need to give them some some someplace where they can have fine wit more often maybe maybe have fake eyes synthetize winner strikes when they are happy
and then have them many losses to counter for that that's definitely something you have to take into account going beyond games MP John well rankings are everywhere you know Amazon Google search everything that is putting different items together is using ranking system well most of the time this is not a matchmaking system like you know there are many other many other algorithms there too to find out certain works a famous example of doing phase mass site before than Facebook to run Harvard students only based on which one of then are more cool that was using
yellow behind and an item any item that can be compared can be ranked for example player versus map that's all for now keep calm I love cats or kitty Raptors thank you so much you have any question at all please try to use a mic [Applause] I prepared this worked okay there we go what do you think about systems like you have wizards overwatch system where it'll hide the different ranking so I'll show you one rank but your rank may be something else what do you think it's appropriate and I feel it depends oh it
wasn't ok I'm gonna repeat the question when it's more appropriate to hide the actual rank and just keep them something that they can different right so this is a design question more than than an actual mathematical programming question but I believe it's better in more casual games you usually don't care that much about that because you just want the casual players to win more often or not to be more often but to feel the progression sort of feeling the progression whether like more hardcore games they as far as they understand what's going on and maybe
you need to make sure that you're sewing before the game you're actually sort of even if it's not just the chances like oh you're playing much against this other player which is gold and your silver that is probably good so they know what respect is always usually about setting the expectations now for casual games don't expect a lot of your players would not understand how the system works even so if you have a very good system right like true skill and they play three games there the rating goes from zero to 25 and then stays
there forever and maybe even goes down sometimes that's and that's not fun so in those cases when you can identify that is good to do so you may still use a ranking system behind the Sims just to make sure that they have fun matches that they they're not ranked against somebody that is much better or worse or much worse than them and this is great that you can get there in three games so you know as soon as possible thank you no words so online games always have a problem with cheaters and exploiters people who
buy boosted accounts etc and obviously when you catch the cheaters you reset through ello and banned or whatever you want to do but I haven't seen minigames or a game companies try to tackle the issue of having inflated like players with inflated ego ello from either cheating or botting inflating other players points by losing after they have cheated up to a certain rank so you might have players that played against the cheater you know ten plus times in a single day and now their ranking is too high and you punish the cheater but you don't
actually tackle a problem of this kind of point inflation that has been introduced by cheating or exploiting okay so the question is yet how how do these ranking system fight cheaters when there are many different ways they can do to exploit like losing purposely and things like that what the increase the unpredictability in the equation when a player has fought against yeah so this in this ranking system we saw here both yellow and true skill and gleeko and they do not try to solve this problem what they do is they give you tools so you
can work with that you don't define the cheaters cause outside of this algorithm at all you only can do the season really never really knows if the player suddenly was training on the side or now it's so good or why is he losing he is the motivated the what what you can do with true skill is as you mentioned play without certainty you need to have some detectors and identity sometimes it's a problem if you don't have a good system for if I can just break an account and make anyone that that will lead to
problems into into the ranking but unfortunately through these algorithms there's really nothing you can do the only thing you can do really is detect when this is - authe he's just he's been winning and I just look we're do you do you can try to increase the Sigma change it penalize the son something like some things like that but I warn you the more things you can try to add into it the more complex the system will become after all and generally speaking the more complex the easier is to assist as well they will constantly
find so they are unfortunate it is a constant fight they're wooden alright thanks so much so you mentioned that one of the disadvantages with systems like these is that the top players don't really want to play and you mentioned a couple different ways to deal with that like progression other any others they are aware sorry there are other other ways that you know have to encourage the top players to still want to keep playing okay so the question is going back to the players not wanting to play ranked well in the case of of DSi
with mighty together in another competitive against they did they introduced a totally different system the plains worker in this case which was better for them because at the end of the day you need to think helo was the sign for chess the way chess is being played the more different it is from that the less probably will matter in your game for them making humility if makes more sense both for fun in terms of progression and also because is not that easy to play to repeat many many games of magic and so there's some also
correlation between the amount of games you play the more you improve your deck if you're not doing that I didn't want to radically change something they could do maybe is to create a new expected formula into their illo by changing the assumptions they were assuming that goes well like originally created for chess and for magic maybe a different one I'm guessing it'll be like a shorter one and certainty will always stay higher they may be by changing that will give them the better players a more accurate estimate so they they will be more willing to
play but it's very it's very common lately to not pick your when you're going to play the world the world champion see if not not pick just a top player from from your frontier a low-ranking or the true skill ranking by doing some other way more based on achievements and things that you need to do and that usually works well I believe in in terms of exports and exports as well this the illo is not it's not going to help you that much at the end of the day to to be so it's it's probably
one of the places what you should look as well for solutions look at how her stone is doing it which starts doing it quite quite different for choosing the tournaments Thanks I don't know if I have time for this question but just real quick because you made a game with kind of a non-traditional use of yellow you had the maps and the players ranked kind of the same way was there anything kind of interesting the fella from that did anything weird come up that you didn't expect on the on the on the prototype like having
yeah having to rank the maps did that yes yeah there's definitely when you try different things it'll do which will find things and that is why it's important to understand Oh gonna repeat the question did I find more interesting things when playing when matching players versus versus maps so yeah um that's why you need to understand how the model works so you can adapt it to your case and in this case it was surprising first that you have two populations for this they are both the same maps and players but you have to publisher what
they never played each other maps never play against maps players never play in Spader they play each other and it still works because they influence each other through through in indirect in indirectly they influence each other so that was surprising it actually works quite well especially when using through skin layer pricing is well when a player makes a new map what is the initial score going back to the coldest heart problem in this case I instead of using the default initial I just applied the same score of the player I was assuming if you're and
obviously you have to beat your map much like in many other user generated maps you have to show that your map is beatable and therefore that will so later I I realized that most of the time is not the same skill of the player but actually better because players these good when they are playing other maps they die on three lives but when they are doing the wrong map they can play over and over and over again now what is the number it doesn't really match and again if you think about progression making it fun
it's probably okay to give to make them up a little worse so the first few games will will kind of more likely be won there are there are there are other other implications like that by the end you also need up quite a few maps you need also to make tutorials where the first few units like some placement matches in which it would saw your own map so you don't want to send players in into that pool right away and things like that yeah thank you thanks so I had a question so chests okay sure
so chess is a game that you have balance changes with but we do that with live games where we might introduce new troops they have new stats or even changing the status with troops how do you incorporate that with the elo system or a true skill system do you mean find out the new troop is just so P and they're just using that and then we nerve them sorry I don't think they boys you do mean Hanukah maybe or not know I'd tell them or something notes yeah I guess just adding new troops that new
players or existing players use and just kind of impacts and fine that's what's amazing though I'm gonna sort maybe maybe we can talk right after yes alright so that was all more questions I'll be around here and you can find me thank you [Applause] you
