[Music] hi welcome to the pro pilot playbook podcast i'm mike and i'm here with my partner john and uh we're here to give you some tips tricks and hacks to launch your exciting career in aviation and uh we're excited to get back in the saddle and crank out these podcasts to you guys and uh we're really happy with how things have been going and the amount of feedback we've been getting and uh these questions just keep pouring in quite frankly there's so many of them uh we we gotta sort through them here and find the
best ones but we've got a couple uh a couple good ones to talk about today so hopefully you guys are learning from this we get feedback that says hey that the questions are great they're exactly what i was thinking or i wasn't even thinking of that question and it helped me out and and we liked the encouragement so so sean will start us off what do we got here for a question today yeah yeah actually you said a couple we learned our lesson on the multi-question thing we both ramble on way too much this is
just one question and it's a it's a great question from uh gabrielle here but before i read that we had uh somebody sent an email into the uh the email if you have a question for us you can send it to podcast propileplaybook.com and we'll answer her out here like we're doing right now but somebody sent us one um no i i lied this is uh a comment on on youtube on one of the okay videos because the podcast is available on i don't know 12 14 different platforms yeah anywhere you listen to a podcast
you can find us but we're also on youtube so if you actually if you're listening to us right now versus watching you could go to youtube and actually see what we look like but uh cody cody sent us this comment and uh i don't know it it it got me i love it man i love this cody sent this in and says i just wanted to say that as a student pilot there is nothing i enjoy more than you all's podcast do it in the car and i watch it on youtube when i get home
you provide answers to questions you provide answers to questions i didn't even know to ask keep up the absolutely fantastic work so shout out to cody thank you cody yeah yeah love it we're finally all back in studio uh today so yeah that's good i'm back at my home pace right i i don't know if i told you sean i a friend of mine uh invited me down to the hangar today for lunch and he showed me his new g 500 that he's flying and oh my god is that an airplane man screen everything i
mean that's the newest golf stream yeah i was blown away but avionics are the touch screen is that that pro line it's 3 000 honeywell honeywell and it's it's incredible i mean there are screens everywhere no circuit breakers uh you can trip and pull circuit breakers on the touch screen yeah there's screens on the on the overhead panel uh picture of the cockpit it just looks like a big computer studio it doesn't look like a cockpit oh my god there's a uh there's an extra screen in the galley and if one of your screens uh
touch screens goes out in the cockpit you can pop it off pull that one off and stick the galley screen on there i mean it was uh yeah i was blown away two labs it's got a bathroom for the pilots up front i mean these guys flies yeah a lot of the falcons have that too that's a nice feature yep yep just where you're across the pond yeah don't have to make that walk of shame down through the aisle you know to the back lab past the passengers you know that's right just when you think
you fly something nice some everybody's always got something better you know that's how this business is yeah but uh but yeah i love the comments man so let's uh let's uh let's keep it coming man so so what do we got all right so we got gabrielle or gabrielle i apologize i've never been good with names and then when they be pronounced two different ways who is i guess so yeah i hear you i hear you all right so hi my name is gabrielle i am almost done with my ppl private pilot's license and i
have a question for you about what would be the best option for someone who is willing to pay for a thousand to 1500 flight hours progressively and progressively they mean i'm all at once i'm thinking here as i may earn my licenses such as commercial multi-engine ir etc instrument rating ir there's a place here in tmb which basically rents their aircraft especially for flight building flight time building and ha and they have multi-engine aircraft piper cherokee 172 152. i thought about beginning starting about 100 hours and then a friend of mine who's also a student
in a 172 or a 152 after i get my ppl oh i think what she meant to say there is fly with a friend share the flight time with a friend um he is already instrument rated so he can be some help when i get my multi-engine build time solo or shared with a multi-engine aircraft yeah so i'm fighting through this is this is what happens when we all started doing text depiction you know uh talking to our voice to text yeah yeah yeah instead of typing everything out basically uh they're saying you know they
can do the same thing with multi-engine uh multi-engine license and so here's the question i want to know if it is in your opinion that if you have the cash for paying for those hours instead of going to college and or working as a cfi mail pilot cargo pilot is a good option for preparing yourself and building a log book for a resume that can use present yourself into an atp job such as corporate or airline also i want to know how many hours do you need for doing a certificate for flying a specific jet
and they're talking about a type rating there's what that's called it's a specific license it goes it's a certificate a rating that goes printed on the back of your pilot certificate listing every jet you're licensed to fly you got to have a specific license just for that chat if you read my question thank you for your time i hope you keep doing great content and sharing the information people who is in the formation stage should know [Laughter] i will attach below the prices for though and and they put the prices up here what these these
things are all right so gabriel what you're talking about in the business is called block time and um there were some flight schools that figured this out way back and have have been offering this but um the ones that didn't you know some of them smaller mom and pops uh you could always usually talk them into it and negotiate a block time and that's the way i had to do it back in the old days uh before it became a little more mainstream than it is now but people have always been especially when you in
in our the product uh we sell pro pilot playbook uh we talk about if they don't offer block time how you can go about negotiating that block time and and some of the tactics you can use to get the best rates but this school already has it set up that's awesome hands down 100 percent good way to build time people used to it all the time back back before uh everything changed with the colgan air crash uh you know you had to build at least 100 200 hours of multi-engine time before anybody even look at
your resume anywhere that's kind of gone now you mentioned multi-engine time and your thing buying a block of multi-inch time that's not really necessary anymore you can get on with the airlines flying an rj uh without i mean like you know how much multi-engine time you need i've joked before uh you need a multi-engine rating basically however much time it took you to get that uh 25 25 30 hours i think i have some seen some requirements on them some of them have said they they want at least 30 hours or something which is very
minimal um so yes the block time is a great thing uh mike what do you got i i do have some more but i want to let you talk here yeah yeah no i i feel the same way i mean just think of it for the viewers to simplify it it's like buying it bulk it's like shopping at sam's club or costco um if you buy more of it you're going to get a better price and if you already know you're going to use it if you know you're going to use 60 rolls of toilet
paper and you it's better to buy 60 and and it's not going to go bad right now if you're not committed to this thing which i think most of our viewers that are watching are very committed and that's why they're watching they want to become professionals and stuff you are going to be committed and you're going to burn through that time as as fast as possible and it's going to get you where you need to be whether it's training or or or leisure flying or any any type of flying you do is going to progress
you in your career so um absolutely i think it's a great deal you know the plane may be you know 110 you know 130 an hour uh outright but if you buy 20 hours yeah i'm looking at the price list right now what is it saying yeah so a hundred hours and a 172 um where they rent for right about 130 dollars an hour right next to me um you can buy a hundred hours at 60 an hour so 12 grand if you bought three discount yeah if you bought 300 hours you get it for
55 an hour now where you really maximize this and and i'm keep saying they because i don't know if gabrielle is a guy or a girl it's one of those names that go either way uh you know where you really maximize this and they mentioned it is joining up with another person that's on the journey like you going through your training and split the time and how you make that legal is both of you uh working on your instrument rating or actually you don't even have to be working on your instrument rating one of you
wears what we call a hood it's a view limiting device it's either they call them a hood because you used to go strapped to your head and come down like horse blinders instead of being on the side it comes down over here to block you from being able to see out the window but you can still see all the instruments down in front of you they also make foggles they call them which are these they look like safety glasses that are all shaded out up here so you can't see out the windows so one of
you is wearing that flying the airplane and then if you're doing that this is all done in vfr not actual real instruments in the clouds you have another pilot sitting next to you who's appropriately rated for the airplane as a safety pilot and then you can both legally log the time so now you're splitting the cost of everything and this is this is a huge time building hack and yes yeah it's uh that's a good deal so now you took your 100 hours at 10 grand and made it five grand a piece yeah i i
actually did something like this and and uh when multi-engine was extremely hard so did i yeah florida yep that went down yeah in uh uh port uh port st lucie florida banker fort pierce down there is that the same place you went to same place i think was like oh yeah ari ben yeah that's right that's right and they sold block time and then one guy would be under the hood the other guy would uh fly uh and it was it was good experience i mean it was a little bit uh well it wasn't uh
we flew that bucket all over the state of florida i don't there's very few airports i didn't land in back even back then in florida now i'm right back again you know i remember this i've got that a long time ago but i remember this the thing they didn't tell you so the ad was in the back of flying magazine and it was like fly these by this block time and it was some ridiculously low rate um and you call them they the guy gave me the whole pitch over the phone like can't you come
down here maybe fly anywhere you want this and that well um the first thing was you could fly anywhere you wanted but you can only buy fuel from them so really you can only right fly around the range like we had this thing we could go fly all over the place and come back but they yeah so the rays of the plane yeah right any other fuel you it's coming out of your pocket if you wanted to take it further that's fine but we're not paying for the fuel yeah yes so the funniest thing though
we're all there we show up man we're all gung-ho and everything and there's you know like four of these planes and they're all flying you know all around it's like a real flight school i mean there's instructors and students and they're taking off at one and the other one's coming in they're landing and all this stuff and we're we're coming down there for like a week and we're supposed to like fly like crazy and we're looking at the schedule the guy that we talked to the sales person he wasn't he was busy so we're just
hanging out looking around we're looking at the schedule and these airplanes are like jam you know people are flying them all day so the guy comes in and and we're like hey how's it going we do the greetings and all stuff we're like you guys got more planes or are these he's like oh no it's these planes these are once you're flying i'm like man we're here for a week we're supposed to fly like 50 hours or something how how are we going to do that he's like i'm like this schedule's booked he's like i
know how you did it there's plenty of room and then he pulls the schedule turns it over and it's all the overnight exactly schedule yeah from midnight till 7 00 a.m or something yeah and they they didn't even tell us that it was all night flying right yep i got my multi-engine rating down there too because they could get it done in like a day and a half or something and that's where all the schedule goes during the day and then yeah for all the time building yeah it was all the middle of the night
i i'm landing in opa-locka at 2 a.m and this is back in the 90s when opa-locka was even more of a disaster area you know i mean [Laughter] [Music] the prison right next to the airport and just i don't know yeah barbed wire yeah yeah exactly but uh yeah yeah i did the same exact thing um but so just just to just just to put a pin in that or whatever expression you want to use that is not necessary anymore that is gone no longer do you need the 100 to 200 hours to get on
with the airlines that's of multi-engine time that that's dead in the water it's all changed with this whole 1500 hour rule and the atp is required for all that stuff yeah that's null and void now you need like 20 to 30 hours if that you could probably get higher you literally you could probably get hired with the uh you know 10 hours or 10 hours it takes to get your multi-engine rating you could probably get higher yeah yeah the viewers now got it so much better than we did man i mean this is a much
better time to break into the industry yeah well that was such a significant cost that multi-engine time was like gold back then i mean it was just so hard to get and um yeah yeah but okay so back to the um the question about if you had the cash that you put in quotes there paying for this instead of going to college absolutely at 100 percent absolutely every nickel you put towards your flight training put it towards flight training not college like we discussed this before college is becoming a a sidebar thing a background it's
not even it's not even necessary to even get to the majors even more like we disclaimer there are two majors two major airlines that are still requiring it and of course you're gonna be more competitive if you have a degree but that's going to become even less significant as time passes by into the pilot shortage yeah um i would uh and if if you absolutely think you have to have a degree because it's you know just in your bones you have to have a degree otherwise you feel like you're a failure or something get through
all your flying get to the airline where you spend half your time at work sit in a hotel room anyway and you can do classes online you can right you can get your degree while you're flying at the regionals and now you're not missing out on all that seniority which we've talked about before it's all seniority and every month every year you goof around on the front end of your career you have to remember that that on the back in your career is worth mega bucks like 400 grand a year you know so you want
to spend four years in college paying to go a lot of money to an aviation college or something on the front end that's four years you're missing out on the back end which is a lot a lot of money you know a lot of money yeah well over a million dollars well over a million yeah it's not just aviation i mean the tren it is trending less and less businesses are requiring college degrees and you know things are trending that way because it's so expensive and if you look at the uh return on investment um
so people go oh flight train's expensive renting these planes this guy's talking about this is all very expensive you know well look at uh the end result and then how much airline pilots make and yes it is expensive but the return is very good versus you go to some private school um and get a business degree look at what you're spending on that and then you know what is that going to pay you back obviously if you're a doctor or something like that a dentist or something that we'll get into in a minute you know
there's a better return but you know it all costs money so you know uh when you really look at it from that perspective it may not be as bad as you think the doctor questions next week though oh is that next week yeah okay that's a great one um anyway uh mike why don't you uh answer the second part of this question about the flight instructing thing though because that that one you know you're you're talking about possibly buying a bunch of block time just to um skirt by being a flight instructor or ending up
in you know flying a mapping job or something like that right um yeah so i i i think that uh you know when i i originally got into flying i i did very early stage i'm like i don't know if i want to teach and everything once you actually do it it is wonderful i mean we uh uh flight instruction you learn so much by teaching it's great i i still have my cfi i keep renewing it uh and i do do some teaching from now and again but um you you know when you're a
instructor you get the best of both worlds you get paid and you get the airplane for free from the person that you're instructing so highly highly recommend flight construction it is definitely the best route it's a way to build time very cheaply and very very fast and ask ask anybody that's ever had to teach anything to anyone and they're going to tell you that they never really knew that subject until they had to explain it to somebody else and you know you're gonna learn i i said i've said it so many times i never really
knew how to fly until i had to explain it to people and teach people how to fly there's something magical that happens there for you oh yeah in that position not only are you getting paid for those hours now by block time you can supplement it absolutely supplement it you can get get through things faster especially if you're living in a uh a city that doesn't have a lot of you know student traffic you know right but to circumvent it 100 i would say that although in this pilot shortage you know you could probably get
away with it but if it was just just 10 years ago you would probably have a hard time even getting on with a regional because they would look at how you just bought a bunch of time flying around in circles in a 150 instead of out there teaching people how to fly if they didn't see a cfi certificate on your resume it might throw up questions you know like well yeah why why wouldn't you whatever it's possible most people do do cfi absolutely even if you i would you know of course it's more money and
time and investment all that kind of stuff but i would go ahead and get the certificate you know run run through 10 or 12 students and see how you like it you may love it i really liked it i never considered myself a teacher at all and turns out i was halfway decent at it yeah and i i or at least i think i was but um yeah you may enjoy it or you get through those uh 10 12 students and you say you know what i do not like this i can't stand this and
then you can go burn through some more block time but at least you you did it you know once you have it yet i mean today i mean once you have it you can have it forever basically with these online renewal things the uh what do they call it the ferc you can firc and start a refresher course yeah yeah you pay you pay a hundred bucks and it's good for renewing every two years for life because the cfi does expire every two years but uh yeah i i would not skip being a cfi unless
you have some incredible thing lined up not saying i mean we talk about in the program about skipping it so i mean we're not totally against it but i don't know that it's neces it's 100 do it you know right um i know we i just kind of said both things but well no no no and then he he was asking about the type ratings which is a good question right or jet license so yeah yeah you don't need any there's there is no requirement i know um some owner operators that fly fly these little
citation mustangs and premiere jets and and uh they have private pilots certificates with a you you got to be appropriate for the type category in class whatever the whole nine yards of the multi-engine and uh you don't real i don't know that you could get typed in a jet without an instrument rating or whether it would be smart at all i don't even know but yeah i don't that would be some weird gray area technical question for some faa guy you know whether it's even possible but you would need at least a private pilot certificate
a multi-engine rating instrument and uh you can add it to any certificate it's like a it's a rating just like adding an instrument rating to any one of your certificates so you need specific training in that airplane and that's where you go to those big big expensive training facilities like flight safety or cae where they have full motion simulators and and you know you're there for a month and it's very intense classroom training eight hours a day then you go into the simulator and fly the jet um there's different ways to do it but that's
the most common way and uh that's what's accepted by insurance is a big thing uh when you get into the jet world uh the insurance covers governs a lot of what you do because these airplanes are very expensive and they make very large holes when someone crashes them so the insurance companies uh real careful with that right sure yeah yeah yeah well i think we uh i think we beat that one pretty good i don't know mike you got anything else i think i'm no no i mean keep the questions coming and we'll uh we'll
keep these podcasts coming for everybody um we're trying to crank it up a little bit on our end and uh and keep this content coming to you guys but i i would like to say and we don't do this and it's so cliche but we are building uh steam with the podcast and uh we do appreciate it if you would like and subscribe to the podcast i know you hear it all the time but we don't ask that often but um it does help us build the youtube algorithms make us more popular get to more
pilots and and help us build momentum so we keep bringing this stuff to you so appreciate all the comments and uh yeah thanks for watching yep we're having a lot of fun yes yes we are and we'll see you next week with another one with the doctor question yeah thanks a lot [Music] you
