I loved cocaine. Loved cocaine. I would take any >> as I as I once directed.
It's a hell of a drug. >> Cocaine is a hell of a drug. >> It's a hell of a drug, man.
That's right. It's a hell of a drug. And uh you know, this was the late 90s, early 2000s.
I also loved ecstasy. I would do ecstasy by myself. I did ecstasy by myself on a car ride to in the mountains once.
Um >> to Ralph's >> to Dude, I would go to Rock and Roll Ralphs. Always up. Did were you treated well at Rock and Roll Ralph in 1999?
High and XY [ __ ] guy from American Pie. You're goddamn right. >> Would you get free deli meats?
>> As many used to go there for a roast beef sandwich. I know what you were there for. >> As many grapes as you could you could finger.
>> Oh god. Yeah. >> I mean, talk about the pie section if anyone >> forget it.
They literally would roll out a red carpet for me just down that aisle. It was a hard day's night with you and pie and Ralph. Exactly.
>> In the Ralph's pie section. >> Oh god. Yeah.
So, you know >> how This is an exit question. You're not supposed to actually You're not supposed to do it more than every three months for it to work. Well, >> oh man, I would I would do it every weekend for for for like a year.
I felt like >> people Reddit would like to talk to >> MDMMA Reddit. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
I mean, and I haven't done it since it's been since the name change to Molly, by the way. Like I'm from Molly. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Right.
But ecstasy, it's called ecstasy. >> From ecstasy to Molly. I'm like, what do you mean?
>> You miss a whole, you missed two two cycles. >> I missed two cycles of >> which means it would work really well now. Whatever.
Got more and more pure. I know, dude. Believe me.
The [ __ ] that it was cut with back then. And we would take multiple in a night. It was always like we we were like we were Mr Wizards, you know?
We were little chemists. We'd be like, "Oh, you're peaking the time to take another one. " which is absolutely not true.
>> Not true at all. Now, I met and married my wife during this time, which was great. Um, but I was still using a ton.
Um, >> did she >> party? Did she know? >> Why don't you ask the questions?
Why don't you ask the questions, Brandon? >> You know where I'm going. Go.
Did she party? Did she know? >> This is how that's called.
That's I really stupid question. You wrote it and you wrote it and I put the English on. ask me something real.
>> When did she know Jason? >> Um, so she um she says, and I kind of vaguely remember this, but she will she says that I uh she asked me early on in our dating if I drank every day, and I said, "Yeah, like sort of like, yeah, of course I I did. " Why?
What's the smart? >> Don't ask me stupid questions like Brennan does. >> Yeah.
[ __ ] Jeez, what is the podcast 15 years now? >> Blocks. Um so so there were there were signs but um but I also drank a lot by myself and also Jenny was very also you know had her own stuff happening and career that she was focused on and um and I hit it very well and I love drinking by and drugging by myself uh case in point ecstasy in a car um on my way to Whistler Canada.
Um but I was fine hiding it. She would go to bed before me. I'd stay up doing blow in the other room.
You know I could you know and I >> under and tell her what I'm going to play. I'm going to be on the internet. What?
>> Yeah. I'm just going to go and watch more of TV. You know, I had like a big big screen, you know, drop downing man cave thing and I was I'm just going to go in there.
I'm not tired yet. And damn right I'm not tired >> for another three days. >> Um and so yeah, a lot of [ __ ] like that.
Like that. And um uh yeah, so it was just like getting darker for me. Um, and then Twitter came around and I started to like tweet a lot and for Jenny it became, you know, and also for you, for a lot of people, like Twitter was a real home run.
People who knew how to do it, right? Like Twitter was this whole new sort of thing that changed a lot of people's ball games, including my wife's and to an extent me. I was like, my career was kind of like I was, you know, I was still like getting offers doing indie here, doing a guest star there.
I was still, you know, whatever. I would say from what I remember it dimen it gave you more dimension >> because it was just like I don't know [ __ ] >> this guy and then it was like oh he's opinionated and funny. >> Okay so thank you for saying that.
That was my intent. >> Yeah. >> And I really ran with that.
>> Others hated it. Kidding. >> No others did hate it.
That's where I'm going with this. So like I I really saw it as an opportunity to show a side of myself whether it was a provoc because I was like my humor skewed darker provocative. I'm a huge Howard Stern fan like you know I was like why can't I I can you know and I was like an opportunity to show people and my favorite response that I would get to a tweet was whoa bigs didn't realize you were you know funny dark whatever I would love that [ __ ] and my following grew.
So I'm thinking, okay, but now there were hate as there was hate as well. And then I kind of just, you know, got super dark with my tweets and, you know, ended up it ended it bled into my career and I ended up losing a job and at the time because of my drinking and drugging, I sort of again like blamed it on other people. um compartmentalized it, moved past it, said not my problem, doesn't matter, not my fault.
Um >> what were your go-to moves as a user >> of Twitter or or >> drug? Like you said, you you sort of like just walk me were those your main moves like not my fault, not my pro like off, I'm fine. >> Yeah.
I think it was a lot of not taking responsibility for myself. >> That's assuming in every aspect of your life. >> Every aspect.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. It was a lot of that. I mean, I would start to go there like, did I make the wrong choices in this and that, but it would be like, no, it's I was I was uh advised wrong, you know, or um I just, you know, there was a million reasons why that movie didn't work.
You know, it wasn't me. Um, and then when when I would start to even entertain those thoughts of it being about me, when I should be leaning into those thoughts and saying, "Hey, well, what part of this is my responsibility and how can I move on from it and how can I learn from it? " Instead of leaning in, I would drink and drug my way out of it.
And so I never had to look at my own [ __ ] ever. And this worked. And this was in my relationship with my wife.
This worked in my relationship with my parents, my family. It worked in my relationships with my uh representatives, my career, anything that I any place that I could and should have looked at my own sort of uh uh part in all of it, I was able to, you know, say, "Oh, no, no, no, no. Be passive and go ahead and drink and and drug my way out of it.
" You know, it was very easy. Um, and until it wasn't and it just kept sort of, you know, it became an every I mean it was I was always an everyday drinker, but it became like a obsession, you know. It used to be like I would just party every day because I could and you know like oh after filming drinks, yeah, for sure I'm young, successful, all is good.
Um, so I didn't drink every day in that sense. Now it was like, "Oh, I need to drink to quiet the snakes in my head to get through the day to avoid, you know, shakes and shit. " Like, I was really like, it wasn't There were days where I was like, "Oh, fuck.
" Like, I need to get a drink soon, you know, like I was definitely feeling it physically. >> Um, but you know, when I would have like a stretch of [ __ ] like really getting drunk at night kind of days and going to sleep and waking up and after like two hours going, "Oh, [ __ ] I I like have to get a [ __ ] drink in me. Um, so there was a physical component.
Yes. It wasn't as bad. I was listening to the Nick uh >> short.
Yeah. >> Oh man, that Yeah. Like I was never hospitalized.
I was never like, you know, like that. I wasn't like people were like, "Jason, is something what the [ __ ] is wrong with you? " You know?
Um >> but up here it was a [ __ ] disaster. Like I just could not wait to get the first drink in me, you know, >> to end the n the nons. >> Yeah.
Yeah. I just couldn't wait. And like so some days, you know, depending on my schedule, if I had an audition or a meeting in the afternoon, I could wait.
I would wait and I would prepare and I would go on the audition. I'm sure I wasn't in do on my agame at all, but it felt to me like I was being responsible enough, but the minute the audition was over, um I was going to the liquor store and drinking in my car before I drove home. >> Yeah.
>> Um or on the drive home, like [ __ ] awful, unsafe, terrible. Regret it terribly. Y >> um but if I happen to have an early meeting, great, even better.
If I happen to have nothing that day, >> I would especially need to drink because I would need to get out of the like, why do I have nothing today? There were many of those days. But the good news there was I could get up and go to my bar and just chug vodka.
>> My bar manage. Oh, in your house. >> Yep.
I had a bar and beer on tap and the whole thing, man. Yeah. Yeah.
>> And man, people must have thought you were fun. >> Oh, yeah. I was really fun.
So cool that you have a bar in your house. >> Bar in my house. We hosted barbecues all the time.
>> It was great. It was great, man. Oh, yeah.
I'm I'm uh I can man the grill like a [ __ ] >> Oh, man. Was this in the valley or in the Hollywood Hills? >> This is West Hollywood Hills.
Sunset Plaza. >> Dope spot. Great views.
>> Yeah, man. We did it. We did it.
>> Like you read about. >> Like you read about. Sean White was my neighbor.
Threw a palm tree in my pool once to [ __ ] with me. >> So cool. >> It was cool, man.
>> Yeah. Um, and what made you what made you stop this incredibly cool [ __ ] >> So, >> I as much as I make fun of the the the idea that this is cool, there was a steady cultural diet from the time we were born that this was cool. >> That this was cool.
Yeah, for sure. For sure. >> And it still kind of exists, but like at least now people know alcohol is poison and >> Yes.
Yes. >> they do it less, etc. But like it was it was cool.
Oh, it was totally cool. Smoking was I smoked a ton. Like, yeah, smoking cigarettes all the time.
Like, I can't even I'm now someone on the streets of New York walks by smoking a cigarette. I'm like, are you [ __ ] crazy? You're smoking.
>> Mhm. >> Get away from me. Um, yeah.
So, uh, no, it was super cool. If >> you're just joining us, it was super cool. In some ways, your appearance helps you hide it.
>> Yeah. Right. >> Because you like you play Yeah.
Nebushy guys. >> Totally. >> So like you're I I can tell you something Jason's not doing.
He's much more likely to be >> he's not drinking vodka. >> No. By himself.
>> He's either has diarrhea or he's [ __ ] a pie. >> Exa Exactly. Exactly.
>> Like there's So it works sort of in your favor and against you in the long term. I can't tell you how many times I've been cuz of course I would party with strangers, you know, and put myself in situations and go to people's homes that like I had just met in weird places and um you know because I was searching for drugs or whatever and like but the amount of times that people surprise you know would be like you you party bro okay cool man let's go like shock >> shock um and honestly like I think there was always a little bit of myself that was also surprised like really like I think there was always in the same way that I always was shocked that I lived in LA for as long as I did like I really I know what you mean by that like I live in I I like it it's me now but I but is it me >> people go how long you out here for and you go um 11 years >> yeah but I but I'm in New York I you know like obviously I'm going to go back I have to go back to New York I can't raise a fan Like it was the same sort of thing like you know I really like I'm this guy that's like looking for cocaine in the streets of uh Uganda you know like in Kala the capital of literally like went walking the streets of one of the most dangerous cities because I wanted to find cocaine idiot. >> Would you did did people recognize you?
>> Well no this is a two-part question. Did you find it and did the movie help? >> I found it but not by walking on the streets.
Um I found it later with a guest at the party that we were going to at at the hotel and um >> Why were you there? >> We were there for a charity event that uh and to like hike with um trek for mountain gorillas and do like this charity to raise awareness for the mountain gorillas and there was like a party at the hotel to associated with it that >> before Ellen bought all the gorillas. >> Exactly.
Right. Um, but now all the gorillas do cocaine because of me, which is uh which is really interesting and >> pretty great. And they're like, you I party?
Wait, I >> I'm a gorilla. I party. I never saw myself.
And I can't believe that I live in Uganda. I always thought I would stay in New York. >> I know.
I'm I was a Rwanda gorilla in my head, but I'm in >> here. I am in the windy impenetrable forest. I thought I'd be in Vera, you know.
>> [ __ ] guy who can drop gorilla references. knowledge. Well, there's a reason I can because >> because of the cocaine.
>> Because of the blow I did in uh with the >> Was it decent cocaine? >> It was decent cocaine. >> Okay, great.
>> Um it was it was decent. Decent. It was decent.
Okay. >> Um but uh yeah, and I did not no one recognized me. Think >> while we're here, what's the best cocaine you've ever done?
>> Pro possibly in Costa Rica. Um also did some incredible >> farm farm to table. >> Farm to table.
also some incredible uh in uh uh Uruguay uh not to be confused with Uganda uh another U country Uruguay. Uh we were in Punta de Estee to party one New Year's we would my friends and I would take these New Year's trips >> usually to somewhere warm uh southern hemisphere conveniently located near the cocaine uh manufacturers. >> Beautiful coincidence.
A beautiful coincidence. Uh to party to party. >> What?
How would Okay, >> so we're here. So Uruguay was one of the best. Uh and Costa Rica one of the best.
Yeah, for sure. >> And when you get there >> Mhm. >> do you have a local fixer?
Do is it one of these things where there's that a bit of the thing with like the Epstein thing where they're like he knew all these people? Cuz there's like a I call it the winner circle. There's like a winner circle of like this understood thing that like I'm gonna hook you up with my guy Yep.
>> in >> Iruguay or And and that's what happened. >> Yep. >> 100%.
>> Very good. >> Yep. >> And that's why he's in the epste.
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