if you enjoy these programs please like And subscribe the claim of the church is I can prove to you that Jesus is the Messiah from your Hebrew Bible from your old testament not from a translation that's a scam all right moving on the next color color you are live on the air please teller's name and where are you calling from yeah my name is Matthew I'm from New York hey Matthew um yeah just a quick just a quick uh a process I just wanted to say that I've been looking into you guys show and I
just wanted to say that most of the objections that the rabbi comes up with for Christianity have been asked and answered for over 2000 years they've had medieval debates for centuries on these subjects and they encourage people to look at those two while while we're here um but real quick um you mentioned uh Jeremiah um Jeremiah 31 to mention is that they're not copying from the Hebrew text They're copying from a brief translation of the Hebrew text um so my question is how does he reconcile the fact that the Jews who um uh wrote those
Greek translations are actually responsible for petitions who are popping them down later on I I I was following you and then I lost you so just that I I don't I don't I just didn't understand you at the nope no problem please um you met you then you just mentioned a couple minutes ago Jeremiah he said read Jeremiah um you've also mentioned in the past and others chapter 31 verse 32 is quoted by Hebrews chapter 8 verse quoted by Hebrews yeah but I think the the question I'm asking is everybody knows that post after the
once the second temple was restored and Alexander the Great continent of the Persian Empire there was a hellenization of the of the Jewish religion and also Jewish scriptures the Jewish scriptures were translated from Hebrew into Greek so they their ideas could be spread throughout the world because Greek was dealing with Franca Frank the lingua Franca the time and um everybody knows that most people back then were reading in groups they were not reading Hebrew scriptures and so my question is if Hebrews chapter 8 verse 9 misquotes Jeremiah 31 32 that's true because Jeremiah 31 32
is originally in Hebrew but then this translation is caused by the Greek translation which is translated by Jews living in a hellenized world so my question to use how do you reconcile that so in other words you're saying that there was no mistranslation it was just translated from Greek not Hebrew yeah well I mean not even necessarily A mistranslation but the Jews who were God-fearing monotheistic Jews at the time translated in a way that the Christians cannot be blamed for clearly how do you know that there's a Jewish a Jewish translation a translation that was
rendered by Jews authentic Jews from the Greek from into Greek that means what translation do you have like them well I mean I can turn the question around say how do you don't know all I know is a Greek how do you don't know no it's just say I'm asking a question your question is very important you're saying that there's a translation of Jeremiah into the Greek language that we know was created by Jews and rendered Jeremiah 31 in a way that's consistent with the book of Hebrews what is yours where is this no that
I didn't understand that that's not what I said I misunderstood I want you to think could you just say a little slower just just your point no problem no problem because um I'm agreeing with you I'm agreeing with you Hebrews chapter 8 verse 9 UM may not be completely accurate for the Hebrew scriptures it's the opposite it's not like completely accurate it's the exact opposite but continue it's not it's not it the real the terms will I mean it's not exactly you can be opposite it actually doesn't affect it actually doesn't affect the meaning of
Hebrews chapter 8 verse 9 the message is trying to convey but that's a different story for a different time um my question is the the I'm just this let's just let's just put a thought experiment the person writing Hebrews chapter 8 verse 9 is reading chapter 31 32 he's not reading the Hebrew text it says he would text back then we're not like it's not like every single person had access to them it's not like every single person could even read them that's why the Greek translations were made in the Greek translation he's a writing
word for a word what he's reading on the page and he'd be chapter 8 verses 9 in Greek but that Greek translation was translated by Jews living in a hellenized world and the author but we don't we don't none of that survives only thing we have is what is called a Septuagint that comes right through the fingers of origin a third Century Church Father and others he's not the only one so if there was a translation into Greek that was created by completely religious Jews okay and I am sure there was such a translation it
doesn't survive so what's the point all we we do have what's called a Septuagint but that comes right from the church right so what comes from the church that of course is going to be altered in order to comport with the book of Hebrews and other books in New Testament that means we don't have a a Greek translation that we know was from Jewish sources of Jeremiah 31. are you saying are you saying that the book of Jeremiah was never translated into Greek no or just the opposite I'm sure it was it just doesn't survive
so then how could you make a judgment on I I mean you could say I can't make a judgment which is fine but then how can you make a judgment and say that Hebrews chapter 8 verses 9 completing this quote if you know that they're reading Greek right so I do start with the Assumption I do start with the assumption that the Hebrew Bible is the original Jeremiah preached in Hebrew and wrote in Hebrew and therefore only the Hebrew is reliable I mean that's so if if I'm wrong about that then nothing I'm saying is
true the missionary argument is that the Hebrew Bible points to Jesus if that's not their claim then everything I am saying is wrong it's it's based on that um claim and that claim is fatuous it's vacuous now if that's not their claim tell me what their claim is isn't that their claim I mean you spoken to missionaries go ahead I agree with them I know I agree with their claim that the Hebrew Bible principles I'm I mean we can go we can tell we can dig deeper into this Earth no let's not dig deeper just
stay with me the Hebrew says no I think I think that I agree that the Hebrew scripture do point to Jesus um but do point to Jesus don't I'm not here to argue for the missionaries all I'm saying is I'm pointing out something you mentioned and you've mentioned quite a few times and you use this as an argument and say why Christianity is not true you've even called it I'll call you you can call it a criminal religion the fact that Jeremiah and Hebrews don't completely perfectly aligned so I mean if you want to go
that route we can talk about places in the Old Testament where Old Testament Prophet scriptures don't align with each other but that's a completely different story look I'm not following you completely I'm really not the Hebrew Bible says in the text for those of the viewers who are listening is the text in Jeremiah 31 and it's verse 31 in Hebrew Bible answers I was their husband and the same exact word is used in Jeremiah chapter 3 verse 14. it's a word that only appears a few times in all of Tanakh in the book of Hebrews
chapter 8 verse 9 it says and I disregarded them that's the opposite means I was their husband and I will credit the King James for rendering it correctly in Jeremiah 31 verse 32 in a Christian Bible and 31 in the Hebrew Bible the book of Hebrews is not just not translating it properly it's diametrically opposed moreover in case any viewer thinks that I'm being Picayune or pedantic that's the whole point of Hebrews 8 the whole point of Hebrews 8 is to say that whatever is old is going to vanish and disappear I mean the whole
point of Hebrews 8 ends with the last passage in that he says that there's a new covenant he makes the first one Obsolete and what an Obsolete and outdated disappears the whole point of the book of Hebrews is to demonstrate that Judaism is a false religion the book of Hebrews contains the longest argument against the Jewish faith 13 chapters against Judaism so that's the whole point of Hebrews is that that Judaism is just a shadow I mean see Hebrews chapter 10 I mean that's the whole point of it it's not written by Paul but it
certainly maps on to Paul Colossians 2 16-17 so the Hebrew text says I was their husband it's by the way this is the language of Jeremiah the word bowel appears many times in Tanakh when Jeremiah 3 14 and in Jeremiah 31 verse 31 where that word appears in Jeremiah 3 14 every the Christians get it right okay the Septuagint on Jeremiah 31 excuse when Jeremiah 3 14 gets it right it's corrupted in Jeremiah 31. now I I we need to just sort the sale it's not that translators render text somewhat differently it's nothing if it
were that that'd be fine they actually they do because because as it turns out translations are commentaries for sure so people phrase the things differently but in fact this is a criminal act because the book of Hebrews is mischaracterizing what Jeremiah says the context of Jeremiah 31 is that God made a covenant with the Jewish people when they came out of Egypt God took them by the hand out of Egypt and the children of Israel broke my Covenant although I was their husband I mean the whole point is the rub is if God disregarded them
so the Jews with it blows up the whole meaning the whole meaning is that I was your husband I Was Your Lover like what did you do like I kept my side of the agreement because that's what a covenant is a covenant is not a Torah a covenant it means an agreement so the whole point of Jeremiah 31 is Hashem is saying I was your husband I was loyal to you I never slept around on you I never committed fornication against you and it and just know that this theme of being dishonorable in your relationship
with God is adultery is all over Jeremiah that's Jeremiah 3 famous chapter it's all over the place so Jeremiah is using this as an example of a husband and a wife and God the husband was loyal in his marriage to the Jewish people but conversely the Jewish people were disloyal when you say means that I disregarded them as Hebrews 8 9 says it's not that you haven't done Justice to the original text you've raped the original text you've violated the original text on the most on the most fundamental level it's wrong and in a sense
it's so stupid I mean I'm trying to make sense out of nonsense out of Play-Doh the the reason why Hebrews does this is plain Hebrews 8 wants to show that the Covenant God made with the Jewish people has been superseded completely everything's been superseded that Christ is our high priest he's above the Angels Above Moses above Josh that's the whole point and the Old Testament is gone and and has disappeared this is how Hebrews 8 verse 13 ends please read it for yourself please do I want to make this point the claim of the church
is that I could prove to you that Jesus is the Messiah from your Hebrew Bible all right that's the claim of Jews for Jesus there are many people listening to my voice now watching me right now who are or who were Christians you know I'm not lying you know I'm not mischaracterizing this the claim of the church is that I can prove to you that Jesus is the Messiah from your Hebrew Bible from your old testament not from a translation that's a scam if you walked into a cart dealership and and they mischaracterize what the
contract says you would you would take them to court I mean this is criminal activity it's just wrong and no it's not a different translation it's not I was their husband is the polar opposite of I disregarded them and to the credit of not all Christian there are some but the vast majority of Christian Bibles strangely in Jeremiah 31 32 do correctly translate that word is I was their husband not everyone but the vast majority of them including the most famous ones right and then Christians go but we have a the Septuagint the Septuagint the
original what's called really the Proto Septuagint that means the original Septuagint that was translated in about the year 250 BCE for the alexandrian library that has burnt down that translation was Gone with it and that was only of the five books of Moses so that there was a Greek translation of the Torah the five books of Moses we know that from every Source from everything from the talmud to the letter aristi we just know it it's all over Josephus we know that it's only of the five books of Moses was there a cottage industry of
people translating the Hebrew Bible into the Greek language yes of course of course there was I'll I'll share something with you very strange if you read the preface to the King James Bible and I'd imagine not many people do this I encourage you to do it so the King James was Bible the translation was Commission in 1607. 47 men in good standing with the church of England were commissioned people who were the Highly Educated people from Cambridge Oxford they were commissioned to translate um the the the Bible into the English language okay and they were
really translating well they were really using the Tyndale Bible probably 85 or 90 percent of their translation but they updated the translation and they certainly but they write they write and these guys never met a Jew in their lives because there were no Jews in England in the early 17th century they write in the preface of the King James that we can translate from a Septuagint because there are so many Greek translations out there we don't know we we're trans they say they're translating from the Hebrew but they conceive this point Jerome conceives this point
is an introduction to the book of Chronicles this is known so I want to just concede this point if Christians are saying that the truth of Christianity cannot be demonstrated from the Hebrew Bible but from some Greek translation done by someone we don't know who it was I can see then I concede everything but that's not their claim their claim is that it's the Hebrew Bible that demonstrates the veracity of the Christian religion not some Greek translation they just drag in their fig Leaf the Septuagint to rescue them from these existential problems existential because these
mistranslations are not uh we're not mistakes there are mistakes in translations there was one translation there was one Bible call I think it was called the sinner's Bible I think it was called that where it says in the tankless Thou shalt not commit adultery so they left out not and said Thou shalt commit adultery I'm not kidding that's a mistake right and it was people are surprised that there was such a thing but there was such a thing people make mistakes this in fact the King James was corrected quite a number of times because through
just errors people make mistakes this is not and people cannot raise the point that there was a Greek translation floating around that comes right out of origin we know comes out of origin and we don't know who wrote it and that's going to be up what that wasn't the claim the claim is it's the Hebrew Bible and these are criminal mistranslations moreover Jeremiah 31 is not talking about a new Torah talking about a new covenant and the context is that in the Messianic age Jeremiah tells us the Jews will be restored and never be exiled
again and the Jews cannot be destroyed because the Lord says look up if there's a son you see the the moon and the stars can the very ER the foundation of the earth be measured if these can be measured then cell too will I cast off the children of Israel from being a nation before me that's the whole point so the Jews broke their promise God kept his promise I was their husband you see when you molest the text it's not just you're not you're destroying the whole point and you are committing a crime against
God God is saying I was their husband if you translate Jeremiah 31 is that I disregarded them that means god broke his Covenant the whole point is God didn't I was faithful to you I didn't sleep around on you but you were sleeping around on me if you go with Hebrews you're spitting in the face of God don't you understand what's happening and this is what always happens it's when you change one thing Everything Changes you can't change one thing and presume that nothing else in the program is affected by it that's never the case
once you change one thing everything has changed everything is altered so yes the premise for the Jewish people our faith our the foundation of our faith is the Hebrew scriptures not some Greek translation we don't know and moreover just one other point for everyone to consider now Catholics need not listen to this but what is the apocryphal writings doing in the Septuagint like why is the book of Maccabees in the Septuagint really was the book of Maccabees also it's so stupid because the book of Maccabees was written after The proto-septogens Maccabees occurred in the second
century BC the septuagens was the proticep to which was third Century BC how vile how silly the church mocks itself when it IT summons a Septuagint do you understand why because the what Catholics call the deuterocanonical text and not holy texts these are serum they're not holy Tobit Judas that's in the Septuagint so you Protestants you don't believe in those books right so you're telling me they also they're in the Septuagint go order a Septuagint online how do they get in there why are they there you know the answer is because of the Septuagint that
you get on Amazon was not rendered by the 70 rabbis of 2250 years ago and that's the basis of your claim the whole basis of the claim of Septuagint which is smoke and mirrors is that rabbis who didn't have an ax to grind and who were highly regarded esteemed individual Scholars rendered the Bible into the Greek language and when they came upon these words they rendered them in a way that was meaningful to Christianity and then we find the whole thing's a scam the whole thing's a lie I mean how does David Blaine do this
how does it how do magicians do this it's sleight of hand it's misdirection and that's what's happening now and we're shedding light on then and people are repenting because they're discovering this so it is the Hebrew Bible if it's not the Hebrew Bible that demonstrates the veracity of the Christian claim then disregard everything I have to say that is the postulate thank you for your question if you enjoy these programs please like And subscribe [Music] foreign [Applause] [Music] [Music]
