Elon & Trump Reveal Shocking DOGE Findings.

what is the goal of doour or and and I think a significant part of this presidency is to restore democracy this may seem seem like well are we in a democracy well if you don't have a feedback with FX we' have to if if you sorry tell you gravitas can be difficult sometimes if there's not a good feedback loop from the people to to the government and if if you have rule of the the bureaucrat if the bureaucracy is in charge and then then what meaning does democracy actually have if the people cannot vote and

have their will be decided by their elected representatives in the in the form of the president and and the Senate and the house then we don't live in a democracy we live in a bureaucracy so it's incredibly important that we close that feedback group we fix that feedback group and that the Public's elected representatives the president the house and the Senate decide what happens as opposed to a large unelected bureaucracy this is not to say that the aren some good good people who are in the federal bureaucracy but you can't have an autonomous Federal bureaucracy

you have to have one that is responsive to the people that's the whole point of a democracy and if you ask to look the founders today and said what do you think of the way things have turned out well what we have this unelected fourth unconstitutional branch of of government which is the bureaucracy which has in a lot of ways currently more power than any elected repres representative and this is this is not something that people want and it's it's not it does not match the will of people so we got to fix we also

going to address the deficit we've got a $2 trillion deficit if we don't do something about this deficit country is going bankrupt it's really astounding that the optional to reduce the federal expenses it's essential for America to remain solvent as a country and it's essential for America to have the resources necessary to provide things to its citizens and not simply be servicing vast amounts of debt and also could you mention some of the things that your team has found some of the crazy numbers including the woman that walked away with about 30 million right Etc

well we we we are we do find it sort of rather odd that there there are quite a few people in in in the bureaucracy who who have a a sensibly a salary of a few hundred, but somehow managed to acrew tens of millions of dollars in net worth while they are in that position which is what what happened to usid we're just curious as to where it came from maybe they're very good at investing they which case we should take their investment advice perhaps just they seems to be mysteriously they they get wealthy we're

don't know why where does it come from I think the reality is that they're getting wealthy at taxpayer expense that's the honest truth of it if you look at say treasury for example basic controls that should be in place in any company such as making sure that any given payment has payment categorization code that there is a comment field that describes the payment and that if a payment is on the do not pay list that you don't actually pay it none of those things are true currently so the reason that departments can't pass audits is

because the payments don't have a categorization code it's like just a massive number of blank checks just flying out the building so you can't reconcile blank checks you've got comment fields that are also blanks you don't know why the payment was made and then we've got this a truly absurd a do not pay list which can take up to a year for an organization to get on the de on pay list and and this we're talking about terrorist organizations we're talking about known frauders known aspects of waste known things that do not match any Congressional

appropriation can take up to a year to get on the list and even once on the list the list is not used it's mindblowing so so what we're talking here we're really just talking about adding Common Sense controls that should be present that that haven't been present so they say like well how could such a thing arise that's that seems that seems crazy when you understand that that really everything is geared towards complaint minimization so that that then you understand the motivations so if people receive money they don't complain obviously but if people don't receive

money they do complain and and the fraud do complain the loudest and the fastest so then when you understand that then that makes sense oh that's why everything just they approve all the payments at treasury because if you approve all the payments you don't get complaints but now we're saying that no actually we we are going to complain if if money is spent badly if the if your taxpayer dollars are not spent in a sensible and Frugal manner then that's not okay your tax dollars need to be spent why is that like it's just common

sense it's not Draconian or radical I think it's really just saying let's look at each of these expenditures and say is this actually in the best interest of the people and if it is it's approved if if it's not we should think about it so and there crazy things like just examination of Social Security and we've got people in there that 150 years old now do you know anyone is 150 I don't okay they should be on the guinsburg of World Records they're messing out so you know that's the case where like I think they're

probably dead it's my guess or they should be very famous what are the two and then there a whole bunch of Social Security payments where there's no identifying information well why is there no identifying information obviously want to make we want to make sure that people who deserve to receive Social Security do receive it and that they receive it quickly and accurately um also another crazy thing so you know one of the things is like we are trying to sort of rightsize the the federal bureaucracy just make sure this obviously need there need to be

a lot of people working for the federal government but not as many as currently so we're saying well okay well let's if if people can retire you know with full benef benefits everything that that would be good they can retire get their retirement payments everything and then we were told this is actually think a great anecdote because we're told the the most number of people people that could retire possibly in a month is 10,000 we're like well why why why is that well because all that the all the retirement paperwork is manual on paper it's

manually calculated then written down on a piece of paper then it goes down a mine they like what do you mean a mine like yeah there's a limestone mine where we stole all the retirement paperwork and you look a picture of at a picture of this mine we'll post some pictures afterwards and this this mine looks like something out of the 50s because it was started in 19 1955 it looks like it's like a Time Warp and then the speed then the limiting factor is the speed at which the mine shaft elevator can move determines

how many people can retire from the federal government and the elevator breaks down then sometimes and then you can't nobody can retire doesn't that sound crazy there's like a thousand people that work on this so I think if we take those people and say like you know what instead of working in in a m shaft and carry manila envelopes to boxes in a m shaft you could do practically anything else and you you would add to the the goods and services of the United States in a more useful way so anyway so I think you

know that's an example at like at a high level if you say like how do we increase Prosperity is we get people to do to to to shift from roles that are low to negative productivity to high productivity roles and so increase the total output of goods and services which means that there's a higher standard of living available for everyone that's that's the actual goal was very quiet but you're your detractors Mr musk I have what including a lot of Democrats I have detractors you do sir I don't believe it say that you're orchestrating a

hostile takeover of government and doing it in a non-transparent way what's your response to that criticism well first of all you couldn't ask for a stronger mandate from from the public the public voted we we have a majority of the public vote voting for president won the house who won the Senate the people voted for major government reform there should be no doubt about that that was on the campaign the president spoke about that at every rally the people voted for for major government reform and that's what people are going to get they're going to

get what they voted for and a lot of times that you know people that don't get what they voted for but in this presidency they are going to get what they voted for and that's what democracy is all about Mr musk the White House says that you will identify and excuse yourself from any conflicts of interest that you may have does that mean that you are in effect policing yourself what are the checks and balances that are in place to ensure that there's accountability and transparency well we actually are trying to be as transparent as

possible in fact our actions WE Post our actions to the Doge handle uh onx um and to the Doge website so all of our actions we are maximally transparent in fact I don't think there's been I I don't know of a case where where an organization has been more transparent than the Doge organization and so you know and the kind of things we're doing are I think very very simple and basic they're not we're you know what I mentioned for for example about treasury just making sure that that payments that go out taxpayer money that

goes out is C categorized correctly that the that the the payment is explained that organizations on the do not pay list which are takes a lot to get there actually are not paid which currently they are paid these These are these are not individual judgement decisions these about Simply Having sensible checks and balances in the system itself to ensure that taxpayer money is spent well so it's got nothing to do with like say a contract with some company of mine at all but if there is a conflict of interest when it comes to you yourself

for instance you received billions of dollars and federal contracts when it comes to the Pentagon for instance uh which the president I know has directed you to look into yeah are you policing yourself in that is there any sort of accountability check and balance in place that would provide any trans for the American people well well all of our actions are are fully public so if you see anything you say like wait a second hey you know that doesn't that seems like maybe that's you know there's a conflict there it's s like people are going

to be shy about saying that they'll say it immediately you know you yourself yes but it's what transparency is what builds trust not simply somebody asserting trust so not somebody saying they're trustworthy but transparency so you can see everything that's going on and you can see am I doing something something that benefits one of my companies or not it's totally obvious and if we thought that we would not let him do that segment or look in that area if we thought there was a lack of transparency or a conflict of interest and uh we watched

that also he a big businessman he's a successful guy that's why we want him doing this we don't want a an unsuccessful guy doing this now one thing also that uh Elon hasn't really mentioned are the groups of people that are get some of these payments they're ridiculous and we're talking about billions of dollars that we've already found we found Fraud and Abuse uh I would say those two words as opposed to the third word that I usually use but in this case Fraud and Abuse it's abusive because most of these things are virtually made

up or certainly money shouldn't be sent to them and you know what I'm talking about it's crazy so but we're talking about tens of billions of dollars that we've already found and now a judge who's an activist judge wants to try and stop us doing this why why would they want to do that I campaigned on this I campaigned on the fact that I said government is corrupt and it is very corrupt it's very very it's also foolish as an example a man has a contract for three months and the contract ends but they keep

paying them for the next 20 years you know because nobody ends a contract you got a lot of that a contract that's a three a three month contract now normally if you're in a small it's in in all fairness it's the size of this thing is so big but if contract and you're in a regular business you end the contract in three months you know it's a consultant here's a contract for three months but it goes over for 20 years and the guy doesn't say that he got money for 20 years you know they don't

say it and just keep getting checks month after month and you have various things like that and even much worse than that actually much worse and I guess you call that incompetence Maybe it could be corruption it could be a deals made on both sides you know where gu gets some money he kicks I think he has a lot of Kickback here I see a lot of Kickback here lot of kick tremendous Kickback because nobody could be so stupid to give out some of these contracts so he has to get a kickback so that's what

I got elected for that and borders and Military and a lot of things but this is a big part of it and I hope that the court system is going to allow us to do what we have to do we got elected to to among other things F all of this fraud abuse all of this this horrible stuff going on and we've already found billions of dollar not like a little bit billions many billions of dollars and when you get down to it it's going to be probably close to a trillion dollars it could be

close to a trillion dollars that we're going to find that will have a quite an impact on the budget and and you'll go to a judge where they handpick a judge and he has certainly leanings I'm not knocking anybody for that but he has certain leanings and he wants us to stop looking how do you stop looking I mean we've already found it we have a case in New York where a hotel has paid $59 million 59 million because of because it's housing migrants illegal migrants all illegal I believe and and they were being paid

twice the normal room rate out 100% occupancy unbelievable it's a question if I may sort of just um going for the president's comments U at the high level wolf well what how exact how do what what are the two ingredients that are really necessary in order to cut the budget deficit in half from two trillion to 1 trillion and it's really two things competence and caring and if you add competence and caring you'll cut the budget deficit in half and and and I fully expect to be scrutinized and get you know a daily proctology exam

basically my solders camp out there so it's sort like I think I can get away with something I'll be scrutinized Non-Stop and but with support of the president we can we can cut the budget deficit in half from two trillion to one and then with deregulation because there's a lot of sort of regulations that don't ultimately serve the public good we need to free free the Builders of America to build and if we do that that means I think you get the economic growth to be maybe 3 4% maybe 5% and that means if you

you get a trillion dollars of economic growth and you cut the budget deficit by a trillion between now and next year there is no inflation there's no inflation in 26 and if the government is not borrowing as much it means that interest costs decline so everyone's morgage their car payment their credit card bills anything their student debt the the monthly payments drop that's a fantastic scenario the average American I mean imagine they going down the grocery a and the prices from one year to the next are the same and they're and they they you their

mortgage all the debt payments dropped how great is that for the average American we had no idea we had no idea we're going to find this much and it's open it's it's not like complicated it's simple stff it's a lot of work you can't believe it a lot of work a lot of smart people involved very very smart people but it's you're talking about anywhere maybe $500 billion it's crazy the kind of you know normally when you're looking at something you find you're looking for one out of a 100 here you're almost reversing it you

look for one that's good yeah and you can look at the title and you say why are we doing this why are we doing that and the public gets it you know the public gets it you've seen the polls the public is saying why are we paying all this money this for years this has gone on yeah go ahead wait go ahead uh Senator ran Paul today said that Doge Cuts will ultimately need a vote in Congress do you agree with that is that the plan I really don't know I I know this we're finding

tremendous fraud and tremendous abuse if I need a vote of Congress to find Fraud and Abuse it be it's fine with me I think we'll get the vote although there'll be some people that wouldn't vote and how could a judge want to hold us back from finding all of this fraud and finding all of this incompetent why would that happen why would even Congress want to do that now Congress if if we do need a vote I think we'd get a very easy vote because we have a dra record now we've already found billions of

dollars of abuse incompetence and Corruption a lot of corruption if a judge does block one of your policies part of your agenda will you abide by that I abide by the courts and then I'll have to appeal it but then what he's done is he slowed down the momentum and it gives crooked people more time to cover up the books you know if a person's crooked and they get caught other people see that and all of a sudden it becomes hard later on so yeah the answer is I always abide by the courts always abide

by him and will appeal but appeals take a long time and I would hope that a judge if you go into a judge and you show them here's a corrupt situation we have a check to be sent but we found it to be corrupt do you want us to send this corrupt check to a person or do you want us not to give it and give it back to the taxpayer I would hope a judge would say don't send it give it back to the taxpayer yeah if I can add to that what we're finding

is that a bunch of the fraud is not even going to Americans so I think we could all agree that if there's going to be fraud it should at least go to Americans but a bunch of the pro rings that are operating in in the United States and taking advantage of the federal government especially in the entitlements programs are actually foreign fraud rinks they're operating other countries and actually exporting money to other countries we should stop that and this is big big numbers talk about1 billion doll a year sure serious M this must just said

on X that an example of the fraud that cited was $50 million of condoms was sent to Gaza but after fact check this apparently Gaza in mosm Beek and the program was to protect him against HIV so can you correct the statements it wasn't sent to Hamas actually it was sent to Mambi which makes sense why condoms was sent there and how can make we make sure that all the statements that you said were correct so we can trust what you say well first of all some of the things that I say will be incorrect

and and should be corrected so nobody's going to bat a thousand I mean any you know we will make mistakes but we'll act quickly to correct any mistakes so you know if if the I'm not sure we should be sending $50 million with the condoms anywhere frankly I'm not sure that's something Americans would be really excited about that that is really an almost no Rance you think about but you know if it if it went to MOS and set a Gaza I'm like okay that's not as bad but still you know why are we doing

that can you talk a little bit about how closely you're working with agency heads as you're directing these Cuts do they have the how much input do agency heads have when you're making these decisions yeah we work closely with the agency heads and yeah so so that there there's there are sort of checks in place so it's not us just going in and doing things willy-nilly it's it's in partnership with the agency heads and and I checked prly with the president to make sure that you know these this this is what the president wants to

have happen so you know we talk almost every day and I I you know I I double check things to make sure is this something Mr President you want us to do this we'll we then we'll do it say ID has been one of your main targets are you concerned at all that some of the cuts or that shutting that agency all together may lead to diseases or other bigger problems starting in other countries that then come to to the United States yeah so that that's interesting example so that's something where we work closely with

the state department uh and SEC Rubio and we have for example turned on funding for Ebola prevention and for HIV PR prevention that yes correct and and and we are we are moving fast so we will make mistakes but we'll also fix the mistakes very quickly so see as a wordy cause us Aid I I think that there's some worthy things but but overall if you say what was the bank for the buck I would say it's it was not very good and there was far too much of what US said I was doing was

influencing influencing elections in ways that I think were dubious and do not stand at the light of day you just have to follow up to the the Pentagon contracts if you have received billions of dollars in contracts from the Pentagon and the president's directing you to look into the Department of Defense is that are going to do at the president's request does that present a conflict of interest for you no because you'd have to look at the individual contract and say first of all I'm not the one you know fing the contract it's people at

BX or something will be putting for the contract and I'd like to say if you see any contract where the the where it was watered to SpaceX and it wasn't by far the best value for money for the taxpayer let me know because every one of them was the president said the other day that you might look at treasuries could you explain that a little bit what kind of fraud or and that question goes to both of you what kind of fraud are you expecting to see or do you see right now in us treasuries

I I think you mean the treasury Department as opposed to treasury bills or um you want some reference trees on Air Force One the other night well the as I mentioned earlier really the the first order of business is to make sure we're actually collecting sorry for this otherwi son might might enjoy this but it's he's sticking his fingers in my ears stuff it's been hard to hear sometimes hey St the stuff we're doing with with treasure department is so basic that you can't believe it doesn't exist already so so so PR ex like what

type of payment is this you can't just leave the field blank currently many payments the field is left blank and you have to describe what's the payment for some basic rationalization that also is left blank so this is why you the Pentagon when the last time the Pentagon passed an audit I mean a decade ago maybe ever really and we want to just in order to actually pass audits you have to have financial information that allows you to trace the payments so you know and and once in a while the the treasury has to has

to pose payments if it thinks the payment is going to a fraudulent organization like if get on that payment let doal pay list it means that this is someone that is it's like dead people terrorists known fraudsters that kind of thing we should not pay them but currently we do which is crazy we should stop that and by the way 100 and for the sake of the country I hope that the person that's in charge and the other people that report to me that are in charge are allowed to do the right thing namely make

sure everything's honest legitimate and competent but we're looking at just when you look at usaid that was that's one we're going to look at the military we're going to look at education they're much bigger areas but the usaid is really corrupt I'll tell you it's corrupt it's incompetent and it's really corrupt and I can't imagine a judge saying well it may be corrupt but you don't have the right you got elected to look over the country and to as we say make America great again but you don't have the right to go and look and

see whether or not things are right that they're paying or that things are honest that they're paying and nobody can even believe this other people law professors right away You're supposed to be running the country but we're not allowed to look at who they're paying it to and what they're paying we have massive amounts of fraud that we caught I think we probably caught way over a lot of billions of dollars already in what two weeks yes and it's going to go to numbers that you're not going to believe and much as I said much

is incompetence and much is dishonesty we have to catch it and the only way you're going to catch it is to look for it and if a judge is going to say you're not allowed to look for it that's pretty sad for our country I don't understand how could even work which one the buyout program the operative federal workers can you personally guarantee that the workers who op in to resign now will be paid through they get their money but uh they're getting a good deal they're getting a big bug out and what we're trying

to do is reduce government we have too many people we have office space it's occupied by 4% nobody showing at to work because they were told not to and then Biden gave them a fiveyear pass some of them 48,000 of them gave them a fiveyear pass that for five years you don't have to show up to work and and let me tell you this is largely much of this stuff is because of Biden it's his fault he allowed this country what he did on our border what he did on our border is almost not as

bad as what he did with all of these contracts that have come out it it's it's a very sad day when we look at it I can't even believe it but many contracts just extend and they just keep extending and there was nobody there to correct it and uh that cannot be I can't imagine that could be held up by the court any court that would say that the president or his Representatives like Secretary of the Treasury Secretary of State whatever doesn't have the right to go over their books and make sure everything's honest I

mean how can you have a country you can't have anything that way you can't have a business that way you can't have a country that way