all right well we'll go and move on to this next color or first color color welcome to show please tell us name where you're calling from hi this is james from camino uh my question is as a christian well not i believe in jesus but paul is very suspect to me my belief in jesus i cannot i don't reject judaism christians i don't think reject judaism but jews reject christianity i guess my question is because of that position where the christians have to accept jesus as a jew i don't see how christians can reject judaism but at the same time it's very very hard to not continue to believe that jesus is the jew i'm supposed to follow so anyway i guess my main point is that because i accept judaism i'm kind of bound up somehow to find out enough about judaism to decide if i want to reject it or not because honestly as a christian i had no idea what jews believed i i basically used to believe the exact opposite about jews as what i'm finding out is actually true all right that is absolutely fantastic great question all right rabbi you want to take this the key here is not whether the person saying it is jewish or not jewish the question is is what he is saying is consistent with the jewish bible and then we should pay attention to it or is it opposed by the prophets of israel it's all about the message it's not about whether jesus was jewish or not jewish the question is is the message of the church and when i say the church i don't mean just the catholic church or the orthodox eastern orthodox church uppercase o protest whatever flavor you want is the teaching of the gospels consistent with the jewish bible and then we should look at it or is it opposed by the jewish bible and then we should not only abandon but we should run away from it that's the key question it is true that judaism and christianity are not coming at this on an even playing field christianity is utterly dependent on judaism meaning the new testament claims that the belief in jesus is the fulfillment of the torah the prophets and the psalms luke 24 44. the claim of all the gospels if you could even take paul out of this and make a difference the claim in the christian canon is look at your bible jesus is there he's bouncing off every page you don't need to go to paul's epistles you can go to matthew with matthew's multiple fulfillment citations where matthew's saying that the life of jesus is to fill what it was said by the prophets and he allegedly quotes those so the question is are those claims true we fully believe that a jew can say something but what he is expressing is completely antithetical to the jewish faith in fact we have whole chapters in the bible devoted to this topic deuteronomy chapter 13 as an example someone who is among your brothers says follower the gods your fathers didn't know you don't have to keep the commandments anymore do not follow that prophet dreamer of dreams i mean just read the first 10 verses of deuteronomy 13 and just be blown away and it says there if your brother the son of your mother literally so it's talking about a jew so we don't care about that we want to know what the message is conversely we can have the oldest book in tanach the book of job a story about a man who was a success a man who was tested repeatedly by god and it was righteous and as it turns out job was not jewish it's not about who the person is what the bloodline is the question is what's the message people miss this completely the question is what is your message is your message consistent with tanakh or not now judaism does not depend on christianity i mean there's it's axiomatic to say that judaism can be true and christianity false christianity cannot be true and judaism false that can't be we're not coming at this at a level playing field we don't we don't have a reciprocal relationship judaism doesn't need christianity christianity relies utterly on the jewish faith and therefore christianity could be utterly disproven because it claims that it is founded on the jewish bible christianity could be demonstrably shown to be a false religion because it claims it's the fulfillment of the jewish scriptures so when the christian bible claims in john 6 that you need to eat the body and drink the blood of the messiah unless you do that you don't have eternal life the eucharist is all over the gospels see john 6 54 55 the idea of eating the body and drinking the blood of the messiah now it doesn't make a difference how you view that whether you view it like the catholics as literally eating the body and drinking the blood with the wafer and wine literally transform a transubstantiation whether you have a high view of this the way lutherans do or you see it only symbolically as calvin it doesn't make a difference whether it's real private the i this idea is alien to the jewish scriptures the notion that someone a an innocent person could die for the sins of the wicked as is conveyed in mark chapter 10 verse 45 find the same thing in matthew 20. that idea is repugnant to the jewish scriptures ezekiel the great prophet of blessed memory warned us in ezekiel 18 he said that this cannot happen the innocent cannot die for the sins of the wicked and the only way for the wicked to be forgiven is through god's mercy by repenting as for the wicked person if he turns away from his sins turns back to god i will forgive him his sins will not be remembered against him is it my desire at all that the wicked should perish is it not rather that he turns away from his sinful ways that he might live you will never find that in the new testament you will never find that in the gospels or in the letters of paul why because that verse opposes the core teaching of the church paul's teaching of vicaria's atonement matthew's teaching of vicari's atonement mark's teaching of vicar's atonement king solomon a blessed memory when he built the first temple he inaugurated it in chapter eight of first kings he said that one day you're not going to have this place anymore he said that one day you are going to be sent to exile you're going to be in the land of your enemies far near and when you're in the land of your enemies you're going to rethink yourselves you're going to turn back to me here's what you do well that would be a perfect place if king solomon thought that god's salvation program was based on john 3 16.
that'll be a perfect place for him to say that god so loves the world that he gave his only begotten son so that anyone who would believe in him would not perish but have everlasting life i mean i mean what could he that that's it like there's your spot but he doesn't he says here's what you do you're going to face this place this is why jewish people face the temple mount in jerusalem when we pray that's why daniel did it in chapter 6 when he prayed publicly in defiance of the king's ordinance god will hear your prayers in heaven and forgive you for all your transgressions so the problem with the message of the christian bible is it's opposed by the jewish scriptures it's not just it's different it's very different but it's opposed by the core message of the unity of god the adata yom know this today by vasa elevacher and place it on your heart who elohim for god he alone is lord we're bashing in heaven above earth and on earth below the ain't oh there is nothing else ain't od there is nothing else who are those words said by the god of israel deuteronomy chapter 4 verse 39. that flies in the face of the teaching of the church that jesus is the second person of a triune godhead that flies in the face of this elevated view of jesus in the prologue of john so the issue is the message the messiah is to bring about a a time of remarkable change in the world of worldwide knowledge of god where war will come to an end see isaiah chapter 11 where peace will fill the world the knowledge of god will cover the worlds the water covers the sea isaiah 11. see isaiah 2.
it's there it's very clearly that's what the messiah is supposed to do she's not supposed to be walking around doing miracles as you see all over the gospels you could just start in mark and just go right through it but jesus it's a magic show if you read the gospels you've done it you know what i'm saying if you open mark and the mark is easier because it's it begins essentially with a inkipit and a baptism and then jesus just walking around doing street miracles that's basically it one after the other after the other and the jews are mocking him the whole time that's what it is and it's all leading up to jesus getting crucified that's what it is there's nothing remotely like that in the jewish scriptures and when mark says therefore what enters your mouth doesn't defile you but only what leaves your mouth defiles you therefore making all foods clean that's completely antithetical to the jewish scriptures it's playing a game because it is true that a person has to be very careful about what he says very careful but it is forbidden to eat that which is prohibited in the torah and those laws will never fall away will never change the torah is forever the commandments are forever deuteronomy 29 look at the last passage see ezekiel 37 a messianic chapter 24 and 25 of 37 the messiah himself comes into view he's called the nussie the prince and what are we told he'll inspire the nation the jewish nation to do what to keep the commandments and the statutes like what more do you need what happens i think is that christians are just not reading the jewish bible and for good reason they're taught essentially that the jewish bible is the old testament so what they do read is the record of creation they read about the flood they read about abraham those things are very important to christians and they know those stories but beyond that they rarely read it if they they're not reading numbers very rarely there are some studious ones who do but the vast majority don't they don't know they don't understand what matthew says this is matthew says that when jesus was taken to egypt by joseph to escape the wrath of herod in matthew 2 verse 13 through 15 and was in egypt to escape the hero was trying to kill the kid to fulfill what was said by the prophets out of egypt have i called my son most christians don't look up that alleged quote in matthew 2 verse 15. and the footnote is there if you open up matthew 2 15 where the passage ends out of egypt have i called my son in any christian bible where there's a footnote it would it will tell you you might need a microscope but it will tell you you can look this up in hosea chapter 11. there are very few christians who actually look this up if i tell you there are very few christians who look this up very few and when you look it up and just read the text in context and that addresses the questions why did matthew quote the entire passage from the book of hosea written 700 years earlier why does matthew only quote the end of hosea 11 1 not the first part of jose 11 1 the reason becomes crystal clear because hosea 11 1 says when israel was a child then i loved him and out of egypt have i called my son is that passage referring to the messiah no it's talking about the children of israel coming out of egypt and israel is referred to as god's son his first born son see exodus chapter 4 verse 22.
