Jared Hudson - The War Against Evil: A Navy SEAL’s Fight to Save Children in America | SRS #173

[Music] [Music] Jared Hudson welcome to the show man hey thanks for having me brother man I can't believe we were just chatting so we've been connected for like two years yeah at least at least two years yeah realize it had been that long yeah so Eddie Gallagher Eddie Gallagher connected us said um he I remember him texed me saying that You were super good dude and uh that you're that you're going after a lot of these pedophiles and and human traffickers and and uh man that's just a subject that you know it just doesn't it

does never it never gets enough attention and um so and it's some heavy [ __ ] so nobody wants to hear it um but they need to hear it and so we're going to crank this out but but uh former Navy SEAL former law Enforcement running the nonprofit running a tactics company I'll give you a proper introduction here shortly but but and uh man of faith I mean it just you're just pumping out so much good into the world and and uh one of the one of the few out there fighting literally the most evil

[ __ ] that you can J up and um that just God bless you brother thank you man I appreciate yeah thanks for having me it's an honor to be here man I love to See what you got going in your growth over the last few years I mean this is this is huge I don't think anybody knows it because not a lot of people see it but from showing up here till now I mean it is you got a process bro Ian you got it worked out so it's actually a very professional uh not

just interview but you know build a relationship and then you sit down for the interview so very impressed brother not that you know not that it means much you know Thank you for saying that yeah no worries I do want to give you something before we start you g you've already given me a lot of gifts but uh this is from the team at covenant rescue group stuff that box um kind of like at Christmas when we give a gift to somebody and I don't know what it is cuz my wife you know got it

and wrapped it this is uh this from the guys on the team they said make sure sea gets this there you go Crush evil hat this is Awesome thank you oh yeah the the black- on black T-shirt that's a uh buddy mine Stuart heartley came up with that one he said you got to do black on black awesome then patch patch oh yeah so we partner that's a that's a wo's knife we partnered with with them and they've they made us some cool stuff some tomahawks and stuff but uh that's a uh it's actually a

really good skin and knife I use mine for that is cool man thank you what WS luks yeah You can look them up they're uh I didn't know about them they make chassis for guns and stuff I got a few of their chassis for some rifles but they but that wood on that handle it's like Italian wood or something I can't remember it says it on the box but they're uh Hey Winkler that's I think that's how I meet him Winkler up in Boone North Carolina you know does all n they sell them in their

shop that might have been how I got connected to them Yeah they sell wo stuff in their shop thank you man yeah man patch will go awesome in the studio and yeah I appreciate it no worries well here's what I want to do I want to do life story with you starting a childhood go through your seal career go through some of your law enforcement stuff but the majority of the interview the meat of it I really want to concentrate on the on the sex Trafficking and how you're combating that and going after pedophiles and

finding some commonalities uh of the of the what do you call them the as salant yeah or you know just the perpetrator the the the pedophile the pedophile whatever you want to say call the PED you don't call them map shed attrative person people or whatever yeah that's good they're do they'll keep that on the west coast but uh keep it on the west Coast and in Europe you know I that's what they're pushing for in Europe are they really that's what I heard I don't know how true it is but nice nice but um

but yeah I want I want to I just want to re we did a big podcast on this before it went crazy but it's always you know I want to re-educate people on you know especially parents on what they can do and you know kids and and all of that but we'll get there uh towards the the tail end of the interview so everybody Gets a an introduction so here we go Jared Hudson as a US Navy SEAL you served as a seal operator with Naval special Warfare you were deployed multiple times to a variety

of combat zones in support of operation Iraqi freedom and operation enduring freedom and operation F eagle and other critical missions what is Operation F I think that that's a great question I think it was a a big jet program we did in Korea and then um at The time if I'm remembering right now somebody could probably look it up and tell me I'm wrong but at the time I want to say Obama was there and they shot those missiles into the Yellow Sea and then we dove with the rock seals to get those missiles I

think that's what that is it was a jet that turned in I don't know what nuclear weapons look like but I mean I I see this thing that The Rock seals found it and we're diving in the LSC this thing that that looks like a Nuclear weapon but wasn't it was just a big missile it's cool man it was just weird you know um together with your wife and excuse me together with your wife and a shared passion for helping children children who are victims of human trafficking worldwide you founded the Covenant rescue group 501c3

organization you are the CEO of your business the shooting Institute where you have personally trained local law enforcement military personnel and Civilians in self-defense you are currently a law enforcement officer as a blout County Alabama Sheriff's deputy and as a federal Task Force officer with HSI what is a federal Task Force officer yeah so I'm with Blunt County Sheriff's Office in Alabama on post what's called a post certified law enforcement officer and if the agency you work for is willing to partner with the feds in that way that's the way the feds can take you

through for me it was title 19 law I Believe if I remember right uh do two weeks of classes for that federal law uh and then you are deputized under Homeland Security Marshall service Secret Service ATF FBI whatever it is in my case it's Homeland security to work child exploitation as a federal agent so that's a federal Task Force officer I'm not a full board GS whatever federal agent I'm a post certified state agent who is sworn under the federal service to work in my case child exploitation You also serve as a reserve Deputy for

the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office supporting Special Operations units and working as an investigator for the Johnson County prosecutor's office you're an Alabama peace officer standard training commission certified law enforcement agent and certified national wildlife control operator Administration level one two and three sharpshooter in addition to holding other Advanced law enforcement Certifications and lastly and I'm sure is probably the most important to you you are a Christian a husband and a proud father of three daughters that's exactly right yeah um yeah so with all that it's kind of like me and you talked about earlier when

you when you show up to buds you remember it's like heyy where you from oh I'm Jared I nobody cares you know shut that you know everybody's yelling at you so um that's that's how I feel when we read that so Thank you for that nice intro hopefully my wife hears it and and you know here's how awesome that makes you sound right but the um but no I am uh the most important thing as we go through this interview and as we talk I hope that people hear about me is one I am a

born again believer in the person Jes Jesus Christ I am a Christian and you've had Christians on this show you've had guys that you know might not be Christians but they at least have faith and believe Something I mean the most important thing to me is that because it's Eternal um so I will talk heavily about that but I do want to preface it with this that means that I believe Jesus Is God reincarnate he's the son of God as John chapter 1 says in the beginning was the word the Word was God the word

was with God everything was made through him and by him and without him anything that we see that was made it wasn't even made everything is through him and he was the Light and life of men and the light shown in the darkness the darkness could overcome it that's the first five verses in in John chapter 1 but verse 14 the word became flesh and dwelt among men that's what I believe I believe Jesus Is God reincarnate uh and he came to this word world lived a perfect life died on the cross and rose again

on the third day for my sins your sins and it's through him we're set free we have eternity with God uh that is the most important thing because it's Eternal I'm not always going to be a husband a father a seil you know law enforcement off whatever it is Sean's not always going to be doing these great interviews with interesting people um I would be at the bottom of that interesting list but you're not always going to be doing this um but how you transact with Christ in this life is eternal so that's the first

thing the second thing I'm a husband and a father Everything else set aside God has given me my wife and my kids to to guide to direct to teach to protect to provide for um and if I can't do that then I can't even do all these other things and it's a scriptural principle he says be faithful in the little things this is the most important thing but it's also something little because if I can't be faithful with the wife and the kids that God has bestowed upon me then I can't be faithful with my

business or with a Nonprofit or with anything else so um those are the two most important things about me aside from all that that other stuff that is interesting but it's not important so and I encourage your listeners uh heck even even you uh make sure that we look at that every day I don't always do it perfect I mess up all the time look at that every day what is the most important thing who I am in the person of Jesus Christ and that woman and those girls that I'm called to raise Right now

those are the most important things in my life thank you for saying that yeah a lot of people need to take note you mentioned You' mentioned Born Again believer Christian is that what does that mean that's a good question um Andy stump asked me recently say what do you mean by Evangelical Christian uh Born Again Believers basically just means what uh what I just said you believe that about Jesus and Nicodemus actually says to Jesus he says well how can a man be B born again is he going to go back into his mother's womb

and Jesus says no that's not it uh we are born into sin because we're from the line of Adam right if you read scripture you understand that Adam and Eve sinned in the beginning Eve was deceived Adam disobeyed without going too much into the theology or the story that's what we see Adam disobeyed when God said what have you Done right God comes Adam and Eve looks at Adam says what have you done he said the the woman you gave me calls me to eat of this fruit or gave me this fruit and said eat

everybody will say that he's blaming the woman he's not he looks at God and he says God the woman you gave me he blamed god um and that is what our nature is because we come from Adam we blame God for our shortfingeredshreder obeyed God to the very end and we see That at the end where he says Lord I know everything is possible for you he really says father right ABA I know everything is possible for you but let this cup pass from me please he did not want to go through the cross however

not my will your will be done that's what Jesus says before he goes to the Cross you can see that like the movie The Passion of the Christ him having that conversation with god it's in all the gospels not my will but your will be Done and the scripture tells us he was obedient to the point of death and we see that embodied in Job 13:15 though he slay me I will trust him that's what job says even if he kills me I'll trust him that's what we see in Jesus so the born- again believer

is I live in sin and I die in sin but in the person of Jesus Christ I am born into a new life I'm born into a sinless life it doesn't mean I'm going to be perfect even though I strive to be I still sin I still ask for Forgiveness and repentance but I am now dead to sin and alive in Christ because I've been born in the new life under the person of Jesus and that's what being a born again Christian means based on the scriptures so were you always a Christian yeah so when

I was a kid cuz I always I always thought born born again Christian meant you kind of went haywire for a little bit and then came back well and that would be we that is true we're all we are Haywire right I mean if You're born into sin you're born into complete chaos and utter destruction because uh uh the scriptures say none is righteous know not one right none of us are righteous David talks about it in the Psalms all seek after their own gain but they don't desire god um God tells Cain in Genesis

chter 4 I believe I don't mean to get in all this theology with you or whatever but uh Genesis chapter 4 he says uh don't you know that if you do what is right it'll be well With you cuz saying is Cain is sad because his sacrifice wasn't accept before God and God says why do you look down God's talking to Cain like a granddaddy right like our Granddad would talk to us um he says don't you know if you do was right it'll be well with you but if you don't sin is lying and

weight at your door and its desire is for you it actually describe sin like a crouching line hiding in the bushes ready to reach out and grab you but you Should rule over it um he had the ability to roll Ru over at that time because they were still um with God does that make sense God gives the ability and that faith in God gives the ability to rule over it um and that's interesting for us to see is that sin's desires for us well guess what we're born into it so it's going to catch

us just like it did Adam um so it doesn't matter how old you are you were born into sin uh and in order to be out of Sin you have to accept the person of Jesus Christ now one caveat to that is people will say what about the people that didn't know Jesus before Jesus came you guys know my wife and I are always looking for ways to improve our sleep we just started using cozy Earth's bamboo sheets and they're already making a difference between work travel the kids and everything life throws at us knowing

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what we see going on all around us this the terrible world that we live in that is destruction right um how can we be delivered from this into The good things that we see right the creation that's in animosity toward us because we're the ones who uh um subjected it to sin right Paul talks about that in the New Testament so how can we be one with God uh we look to God and have faith that he is going to he's going to work it out in us whether we know Jesus or not and that

was Abraham he had faith in what God was going to do and then for us we now we've heard the name of Jesus and we look back and we Have faith on what God has already done in the person of Jesus Christ so really it's it's not a it's not that difficult I mean it really is pretty straightforward and easy God created a world that could choose him or deny him that's it it's that simple because that's what he decided to is that what I think that's what I think that's the only free will we

actually have to accept to accept or deny God yes yeah I mean that's yeah created in His image am I what you believe that too yeah yeah cuz we're created in His image we can accept what he has or we can rebel against him he talks about it all the time the book of Isaiah is full of that with Israel and his people rebelling against what he said I think Isaiah chapter 49 he calls him a stiff necked people whose necks were like still rods of senu and whose heads were heads of brass he was

basically saying you're hard-headed and stiff neck you will not Do what I tell you to do but he created us with his Spirit which gave us the ability to choose right or wrong just like he has he just always chooses right and we always choose wrong being born again is uh having faith in him ultimately for us in the person of Jesus Christ so that we can now become a new creature as Paul says in the New Testament uh and live a life hopefully free of sin although that's not going to be the case but

we can strive for that That's why he says be perfect as your father in Heaven is perfect I believe it's is it Galatians that says that I can't remember um so I say all that to say I was 6 years old when I got Sav my parents taught me I when I remember going into the room and saying mom and dad I believe that I need to accept Jesus in my life they walk me through it my daughters two of my oldest daughters at six they came to me and they want to be saved uh

they want to You know go through the process and so I spent three or four days going through the scriptures with them talking about so they understand who you are as a sinful person then there's those people who were in their 30s or 40s or 50s or 80s I think my great granddaddy if I remember right according to my my dad my great granddaddy asked Jesus into his heart on his deathbed Liv life apart from God and S but accepted Jesus and his death um I think Charles Darwin did As a matter of fact the

guy that the uh um you know uh Charles Darwin the um scientist that you know said shows where we you know or said where we came from monkeys and I believe I I could be wrong but you look it up I believe he accepted Christ on his deathbed yeah but anyway uh it doesn't matter at what point in your life you're in you're born in sin you're going to die in sin and God has given you the opportunity to be one with him and live life Eternally uh and that's that's what I believe that's what

a born again Christian is hopefully I haven't done it a disservice uh with what I just said people smarter than yeah people smarter than me could probably say it better but that's what I believe well thank you for for sharing that yeah so couple more things to crank out here before we get to Childhood so I got a patreon account they're our top supporters they've been with us since The beginning they're the reason I get to sit here do this and you get to be here as well and so one of the things I do

is I offer him uh the opportunity to ask each and just about every guest a question and so this is from blaze in relation to Covenant rescue group what have been some of the reactions by individuals when they realized they are being rescued oh on the rescue side so I'll give you a two-part answer to that the first thing is most of the time on a rescue you're the the and it's primarily women and sex trafficking which is primarily what we work so not all women they will say uh I'm not being trafficked I'm not

a victim there that like there's not they are doing what they want to do uh and some of them that might be the case I found I heard an interesting statistic from a lady that we work with with a Wellhouse who is a uh a forensic interviewer who said Seven contacts takes seven contacts uh before a a woman will be able to to say hey um yeah I need help I'm being traff I've gone through this process right so that's interesting to see too we might be contact number one we might be contact number five

um but that would be the first thing the second thing is if once you see somebody who is like yes I need help whether grown up or a child Children always need help they're always exploited we'll talk a little bit about that later uh the response is it it's like un unbelievable relief because up to this point they've had no way out but now they it's almost like they see a light or they see a way out does that make sense um and that's the only way I can describe it because I've never been in

it my my wife and my girls have never been in I've never I've only seen it From the outside looking in I don't know what these people are going through in their life but you can see that sense of relief of like you can actually do this for me and when you see that um and pull them out of it that that would be the best way to describe it is just unbelievable relief you know it's you had mentioned that a lot of these a lot of women don't don't think they're being trafficed at first

and this is something that I always kind of play out in my Head and uh cuz I've I've been Loosely following the subject for probably over 10 years now and um first first first exposure to this was actually from a tattoo shop uh got a lot of ink done at um Miami Tattoo Company down in South Beach became uh pretty decent friends with this with uh the previous owner of that nam's Amar Sierra and uh she had she had contacted me about uh a friend that she had that was Being trafficked and kind of where

I'm going with this was that friend didn't want to be helped yeah and uh I said man you know I'm sorry but if I I'm not a law enforcement officer uh I definitely have the ability to you know do what she want me to do but if this uh if this person doesn't want to be saved then um there really isn't anything I can do there nothing you can do and so what I want to kind of where I'm going with This is is is this I know some people it's kidnapped and all this stuff

but are some of these women more voluntarily yeah so entering into the the trafficking space so the easiest way to look at it we've done I probably sat in front of an interview maybe not 2500 maybe not that many but in the in the thousands um of women like 1500 to to maybe 2,000 U maybe not even that much but quite a Few women like so I mean we're I'm basing this off of Just strictly my interviews and I'm not a forensic interviewer like some of these other other people are that would be more educated

on this than I would but sitting in front of them from Haiti to Zambia to South Sudan to the United States of America pick a state I've sat in front of them interview these women and I get the same common thing across the board uh for my interviews every Single time talk to them they're almost offended that you would uh imply that they need help out of what they're doing now I've been told by ladies here uh in the Southeast they're like I had one lady tell me honey where do you think I'm going to

go and make $1,500 a day she makes $1,500 in an evening uh doing what she's doing um so there is that aspect of it now once you interview a girl once you get a girl that wants to get out or a guy that wants to get out And they go through the process and you take a forensic interviewer to go down through it one thing that I also say we've always we've seen every single time is that that woman who might be 25 or 30 or 35 doing this right now she was victimized when she

was four five six 15 16 I had one lady tell me recently uh her kids are in the room with she goes I mean I you know ever since I was a little girl I remember sitting in the room and watching my mom do this her her Mom was a was a prostitute and so she grew up in it so she started doing this when she was 15 or 16 start saw she could sell herself um and and something what we don't realize in our culture like a lot of people love Reba McIntyre right know

I'm not talk trash on Rea McIntyre but you the song Fancy don't let me down you know that's exactly what she's singing about that is what human trafficking is it's a woman who's selling herself to the highest bidder to Whoever is going to pay the most for uh to elevate herself in life sometimes it's out of poverty right sometimes out of poverty do it sometimes it's out of this is all I'm worth it takes uh it's a scriptural principle going back to scripture Proverbs says that a man of understanding is able to draw out the

thoughts and the things that are inside each person you know and which is deep water so what it's talking about is that understanding counselor so some of these Forensic interviewers can draw this out you don't just get that at the first initial hey you need help I'm going to rescue you um you generally don't get that I've never gotten that they all so is is this similar to would this be similar to trying to help a heroin addict that doesn't want that doesn't want to get clean and a lot of them are heroin addicts a

lot of them are it's the drug Community is tied closely to the Prostitution Community which is tied closely to human trafficking so one thing I will say is every drug user is not a prostitute mhm uh every prostitute is not a human trafficking victim that's what is going to be my next question however I would say that every prostitute that I've met at least that I met is a drug user right that are selling themselves actually selling like we I mean they'll get H kidal fany or heroin or whatever it is They do part of

it is so they can do what they do but every prostitute I've met has been a drug user but not every drug user prostitute not every prostitute human trafficking victim the reason we focus on the kid p what we do the reason I focus on child exploitation is by the letter of the law right both federal and state laws in every state in the nation with the exception of two maybe maybe Washington and California um every state if it's a child that's being Impacted somebody under whatever the age in that state is 16 18 15

whatever the state law age is that is a human trafficking Victim Because they're a child they don't have the ability to say no or push away that makes sense does um when they're of age they're not always human trafficking victims and I will also say the letter of the law doesn't always very Define human trafficking victims very well uh so but we don't always find human Trafficking in prostitution although it's closely tied to it we do always find human trafficking in child exploitation which is why we focus on children another question what what would the

so what would distinguish the difference between just a a regular prostitute and a prostitute that's being trafficed yeah um I you know some people would say that you know when again you get down to the the nitty-gritty of it which I don't Agree with this but you get down the nitty-gritty of it that that woman is trafficked in some shape form or fashion whether it's poverty whether it happened earlier in her life and that's what led her to where she is now there's still an active choice for her to to leave or or continue um

what will they just use the state law you know if somebody is actively selling her so somebody working is a pimp maybe a husband a boyfriend uh if they're Actively selling under most state laws or under federal law that that you're now looking at uh a true human trafficking victim this lady is not receiving money for her Services um and it's no longer misdemeanor prostitution crime you've got somebody who is holding her and selling her maybe against her will um she'll say it's not against her will but selling her against her will and then they

receive money for it and she doesn't necessarily get paid so that Would be a good example of what we see uh here Mo here State side and overseas but most of the time it's children that find that are stuck in that spot it's kids who are in that it's it's not it's not grown-ups as much uh and I think it's our digital world that's allowed for that you don't see as many we still see them but you don't see as many they'll call them John's or whatever pimps doesn't matter you call them whatever you want

a lot of it symbolism Without substance um most women will use digital you know like the phones the apps because it kind of protects them they'll receive money before somebody shows up I mean they're very heck you got some chicks they'll make $11,000 $1,500 a night just getting dudes to send them $10 on cash app or something for gas money and then they'll never show up say I send me 10 more and I'll show up you get these freaking clowns out there that just keep sending them Money well they'll make a bunch of money at

night just basically scamming scamming dudes which I think's hilarious you know but that is th that is where you see trafficking and if there's somebody strong arming them and and selling them that would be that would be human trafficking it's rare you know I got I got another question sorry I wanted I wanted to save this to the end but the questions are just coming so I to I don't want to forget them but but You know there there is how how how many people how many girls in the porn industry are considered to be

trafficked because it's my understanding that if it's basically it's essentially the exact same thing as prostitution there just happens to be a legal document that says yes you're going to give us you're going to sign this release form and have us film this and and it is to my understanding that is if if there is a contract signed for Filming then it's no longer considered prostitution bro you're hitting the nail on the head now prostitution as we see it now I believe is still a federal crime but it's just not prosecuted right right um but

yeah they they they're working on behalf of somebody that is that that would be a form of human trafficking and most of those women are in a position where they don't want to do it only fans would be the great example of kind of where it's gone to People wouldn't look at only fans women and say that they're trafficked a lot of them are doing it themselves right A lot of them are build their accounts they'll sell pictures of their feet or they'll do nude pictures they whatever it is on only fans um and a

lot of say well that's not pornography well it is it's pornography and they'll say well I'm not I'm not a prostitute well you are you're just selling pictures of yourself as opposed to selling yourself physically Um but we wouldn't look at them and say they're being trafficked right um because it's not against their will uh even though they might have a husband that makes them do it there's all kinds of weird situations out there that's the same way with the prostitution industry um it's just women are more willing to physically engage and get paid for

it than the women who just want to sell pictures there's literally no difference in it yeah you know I I wasn't even Talking about the pictures I mean I yeah you're talking about actual act oh yeah I've been I've been cuz I've been wanting to dive into sounds weird I've been wanting to dive into the porn industry and expose uh some of the [ __ ] that's going on within there and and one of the things that I just come across is uh I found this uh former porn star who's now pastor and I've been

kind of looking at his content a little bit and he was talking about you know he was Talking about the contracts that these young girls sign and it basically says we're going to do anything we want to you you're going to sign here and then they get in the middle of the act and all this just disgusting [ __ ] starts happening uh to these girls and they're like sorry you signed the contract you see that in Hollywood with movies I mean you see that with some of the some of the movies in the70s I

think Caligula Was one of them where they said some of that happened look at the look at Blue Lagoon where the girl was 15 was it Brook Shields that was a whole big ordeal those folks had to testify before Congress so it's been going on like that for a long time so yes that is a form of trafficking legally by laws at a form of trafficking no Pro you know probably not it's not something I can go out and make an arrest and prosecute somebody on as a as a law enforcement officer as a Prosecutor

right nobody can go get him on that but yes that's a form of trafficking so the biggest thing is is we don't don't we don't actually know what trafficking is we have what we think it's the movie Taken you know girls being taken against their will but sometimes they will willfully do something they make a foolish decision or whatever and then they're stuck in it and I've seen what you just mentioned More often than any of them overseas wherever they might give their passport up right hey yeah hold my passport and that's kind of how

they keep them at this you know brothel or whatever and before they know it they're being soft trafficked they went there on their own po they see I'll do this cuz I can make some money but now they can't get their passport back or and I mean some of the shit's just you know downtown Miami yeah yeah mean and it's just just hey show up To our condo and oh bro we get I mean I seen news I've seen newspaper ads we can bring it up and right here in Nashville I mean we could go

just down the road in Nashville and I mean anywhere you go there's not a city everybody like oh so what are what are your thoughts on that I mean when you have have you have you have you dealt with this at all by chance what I I mean cuz I'm not going to lie I got [ __ ] mixed feelings about it I mean I think it's I think It's [ __ ] up you know what I mean but at the same time it's like well I mean pornography is an industry it's not like that

you just got it's not like you just fell for this I mean you've obviously seen porn and obviously sought out a way to make money selling yourself on camera that's right you know and and so is it tra is it trafficking are they are they you know what I mean I mean you I [ __ ] hate to say it but it's part of me is like you got yourself into this Mess like you [ __ ] got yourself into this mess you've seen porn you've seen what they do why are you acting surprised now

there's a lot then there's a lot some of this [ __ ] just has to be I think like sorry you made a [ __ ] up decision and now you're going to have to live with these consequences and there's a lot of that right there's a lot of because there is no criminal Nexus to really do anything there might be a misdemeanor prostitution charge I think Texas recently made it a felony to to to p uh pay for sex which is crazy to me you know is it morally wrong yes is it criminally wrong

on the books yeah most of it's a misdemeanor if it's you know this level of prostitution or even pornography to some you know some extent I do believe has a federal Nexus but all of that being said uh it's really a moral issue I don't think it's anything that you can go after criminally now here's the caveat to that most of these Women that find themselves in that position or even a lot of the men that find themselves in that position were sexually targeted or abused as a child or at a younger age so um

there might be a level of victimhood there where they're they're at this point where this is what what they do um I don't know because I've never been in that world to the point that I you know my mind has been shifted to think that this is all I'm worth right um but there is that Aspect of it and for us what we try to go after going all the way back to to what I was saying a little bit ago a person of understanding draws out the real issues at hand um when it comes

to prostitution when it comes to pornography when it comes to any of these things the only thing that we can do is give a safe um a safe uh on the rescue side like he was talking about uh your guy who asked the question to give a safe environment for The Advocates of Organizations that these are women generally speaking who are people of understanding they might have been in that position we create a safe environment for Advocates to go in and do this sit down and talk and interview these ladies to try to get them

out of this um without any law enforcement interference because as soon as we say yeah this human trafficking we want to make a case well it's our Constitution that says that the accused has the right To stand before the accuser in a jury of their peers well what do you think most these women want to do if they if they truly are a victim they don't want to sit in front of their accused yeah um now and here's the thing you got people saying well then they shouldn't have to well yeah well then we're going

to do away with the US Constitution it was put in a play in place for reason so um there is the bureaucracy of the US Constitution that is a good thing I I do Believe that the the Bill of Rights is a good thing and it protects us tremendously um but often times when we call something that kind of like you said is it human trafficking or is it not you know do we maybe maybe not but this woman doesn't want to testify perfect we can't do anything criminally with it and it's not on the

law enforcement agency to be an advocate on this victim's behalf if she is a victim um and so that's where the NOS get Involved the problem with the NGS they Advocate on this victim's behalf but you've got to get that trafficker well I can't because I can't get your lady to testify uh so that's kind of the that's the dynamic you run into so again what we focus on with law enforcement agencies and with our law enforcement credentials with the guys in our group who wherever they're sworn out of uh we build cases uh specifically

targeting individuals who are going after kids Because we can get those felony arrests we don't have to have anybody testify on that because we're the ones who are testifying on it we're the ones who set up the operation we're the ones who provided the training to the law enforcement uh officers or the law enforcement agency that set up the uh the operation that made these arrests so we do decoy based operations to catch these individuals that are targeting kids and guess what when we rip their Phones when we uh all that stuff that you talk

to uh um uh is it Ryan McDonald Ryan Montgomery Montgomery I said McDonald Ryan Montgomery about he rip his phones and find all this data well that's how the law enforcement agency now has a probably call search warrant or a subpoena to rip this person's phone and now they get all of this information of where they're abusing kids having the youngest I've seen a guy having sex was own 18-month old daughter B he showed up For a 14-year-old girl we arrested him based on that we ripped his phone and found out this other thing over

here that nobody else knew about that was a couple years ago and and he got I think the FBI went forward with him and charged him feder no it might have been Homeland that went forward with him and charged him federally um he got state and federal charges so I say that to say that's why we focus on that is because sometimes this problem already exist Over here and it's going to take counselors and the person of Jesus Christ to fix this issue I don't think we can fix it with with legislation um but with

the kids we have legislation in place and we can Target the individuals who are targeting others our goal is to get Predators because that's what these that's what these guys are doing they're praying upon all of these people who are who are weaker than them and in particular women who might be in a bad Situation yeah well thank you for clarifying all that stuff we're going to we're going to dive in a lot deeper a little later on but but for now I want to dig into your life story so yeah let's just start right

at the very beginning where did you grow up I grew up in I was actually born in Lynchburg Virginia lived there for a little while my dad's side of the family was there but then grew up in uh Jefferson County Alabama North Jefferson is the uh the Area um normal kid like a middle class family uh granddaddy had a farm we lived kind of in like a little neighborhood so a little bit of country kids SL Suburban you know played football and uh baseball for a little bit I didn't play baseball in high school uh

did track some wrestled did all the you know all that uh all that stuff growing up hunted and fished and uh went to church I mean that's what we did and uh how many brothers and sisters two brothers and a Sister uh we're all relatively close in age um and they uh I think my my brother and my my youngest brother and sister they are they were in the nth grade when I was in the 12th grade so at four year they're four years younger than me are you the oldest I'm the oldest I'm the

oldest of of the the four uh kids and then um one of my brothers an engineer my other brother's a master welder and now he's on the cell side so he does a lot with welding and gas and he's you Know they're both in the in the business world uh and then my sister she actually um recently started working uh for us we hired her as our office manager which was pretty cool to be able to do um and she came on board and started running things in the office running scheduling and all that for

for our team at covenant rescue group so um but yeah I grew up with him dad is a pastor um an ordained minister he pastors at Hayden First Baptist Church in Hayden Alabama And uh you know grew up always being rooted in in the faith 19 went became a firefighter and was in paramedic school or not 19 when I graduated high school firefighter paramedical school and at age 19 went on a mission trip with a church felt felt called to do something different and uh that was kind of my my track into the Seal team

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family and your future uh went to Africa and I just for whatever reason the Lord laid on my heart you need to change your trajectory do something different and it was the military was kind of in my heart and mind and um what was it what was going on in Africa like how did that even just enter your head so we we went over I went with a with a church gardo First Baptist Church where um where my my wife And I go now in in gardo Alabama we went with uh gfbc to uh I

can't remember where we were in Africa it was close to Angola and we're putting Wells in right doing Wells and I remember saying we put a well in one Village if if I'm just giving you a very specific thing that kind of triggered that in me put a well in one Village here I am an 18y old kid 19 maybe it's the time just turned 19 and this guy comes over from another Village and he's pissed that we put a Put a well in this Village and he starts beating this old woman so here I

am just some freaking 19yearold you know kid from Mount Mount Olive Alabama gardo Alabama and I go over and you know grabing hey you're not going to start and then all man it spun up this big thing people chur hey we're not here to do that you can't do that and it kind of kind of pissed me off and I'm saying well he's just beating this old lady with like this this stick this like Almost like the things you hit the horses with you know like a not a whip but you know hard he's hitting

her and Bea because he's mad because we put a well in her Village right here and he wanted it in his so um that being said we uh that kind of Chan like like I want to do something where I can actually do something about this if I see it and I remember thinking that and so I talk my dad and and we went to the recruiters at the time bush had just started those Contracts this was like the 0405 time frame when those contracts uh came into play so graduated high school Force this would

been 05 and I looked at them all seal was you know all Special Operations program my dad said hey if you're going to do something military special but do something special he said you need to do Special Operations if you got the option to do it don't don't go just to go to the military be anybody do something Special you remember in Buzz they had that thing you know be somebody special you remember that on the old grinder yeah that was funny that Dad uh he he did say that he said do something special and

seal was the hardest contract out of all them he had the the seal contract I think Air Force PJ and combat control was the second hardest they had an x-ray contract I think was the army green beret and they had something for rasp or some some whatever The ranger contract was and the Marine was just uh go Marine Infantry and then they had just started spinning up Maro for the Raiders um there was kind of a process there but I don't think it was a contract so I said all right God I'll do whatever you

want me to do and I'll just take the hardest one if I pass it that's where I'll go so I took the ASVAB the run the swim the pull-ups all the stuff for the the seal contract and passed it got the contract I said well this is Where God wants me to go and uh you know marched down that road to be a Navy SEAL right on did did you have any family in the mouri any no so my had an uncle um that was in the Army but and then my my my granddaddies my

my great granddaddy and uh my granddaddy my dad's dad served in the Korean War my great granddaddy my my mom's granddaddy was war war II he went in on uh he was in the Army winning on D-Day and his brother was a marine and was in I think he was in eima in Guat Canal if I remember right from what they said so I had that but it was kind of distant I remember hearing some of the stories and then I had an uncle uh who was in the Army in the '90s uh in Bosnia

time frame I think he deployed to Bosnia but that's it I mean we weren't uh I had another uncle that was a marine but we weren't really a military family just kind of yeah hodge podge hit or miss and but I went to went to the military And um did the uh did did the seal thing just at I hate to say happen stance it's the route that God directed me but just kind of went through that door what' you think of buds I dude it was uh I actually wrote a a small book big

surprise right team guy writes a book that's what um but it's only 40 pages so I got a bunch of buddies make fun call it a pamphlet that's pamplet nice Armor of God Through The Eyes of a seal um and And I and I write about it in there um and it's kind of interesting when you're going through stuff and thinking and writing your thoughts on paper which I didn't haven't historically done I'm a terrible writer uh it but it kind of popped out I'm like that was it wasn't that hard but it was the

hardest thing I ever did is that makes sense the physical standard you know it wasn't I mean I couldn't meet it now you know nearly 40 years old I mean it's yeah but At the time I remember like the standard wasn't that hard I don't know if you remember that it wasn't yeah but it was the hardest thing I ever did and I was I was thinking how could that how could that be it's because and this is what I believe it's because they make you bad at what you're good at they want to see

how you respond to your own failure and that's the difference in the selection process that's what I saw and that's what I thought about it and and In this is now years out looking back on it I was I was not going to make it through Buzz I was like this is impossible um and uh 2 Corinthians 129 where God is talking to Paul he says my grace is sufficient for you my strength is made perfect in your weakness is when Paul asked that the thorn in his flesh be removed three times and God says

you're going to keep it my grace is sufficient for you my strength will be made perfect in your Weakness I was having some issues I'd failed some runs no not yeah yeah i' failed some runs I shouldn't have failed uh got really good at swimming and I wasn't that great at swimming um and I was like God I'm not going to make it on this I should be able to but I'm not going to make it and uh he said hey don't quit and I'll see you through it and he did his grace was sufficient

his strength was made perfect in my weakness um and that's uh was there something in Particular well I tore my calf muscle in first phase and that that really yeah that that negatively impacted my runs I went from uh running pretty well you know been able to do the Four Mile and you know 25 26 minutes to where like when I got to third phase even I'm talking third phase like we're done we're ready to go uh I've got dudes pushing me down the beach I mean my my legs just would not go as fast

but I tore that calf Muscle um in hell week and it never it never was the same it's still not say what did you find to be the the the toughest portion uh probably the the cold water you know or shallow water blackout was easier than I than I thought you know you doing the 50 meter underwater swim I did a little shallow water I think most everybody in our class did right on that one but um I was talking with stump about that recently and and he was kind Of laughing about it talking through

at least what they looked at on the second phase side but um that was hard but not as hard as you think but I would say the coal the cold water across the board I was not I'm an Alabama guy you know um was not prepared for uh that cold water that that hypo those hypothermic conditions yeah that was that'll make you uh you seen that movie The hateful eight that Tarantino movie you know they got oh man so this is it's not a very Good Christian example let's put it that way but he's like

man a man in the cold would do anything to stay warm I can't imagine a Tarantino film being that's right had this dude out in the snow butt naked you know anyway he's like doing anything to get a blanket you know to warm up and that's that's what you feel you know they're in buds I mean that's that was probably the the hardest thing for me I hated being cold I still hate being cold yeah what class were you uh So I classed up with 264 you probably know you know triump system Jared Ogden um

he did some stuff on the Discovery Channel system I've met him he's got a Target system yeah the target system yeah I think it's Triumph systems he's a great dude I still thought him some but he uh he was our OIC um that's why I say that so that was 264 and I went through hell week with him and then got rolled and then graduated with class 267 okay yeah graduate buzz and sqt with 267 Where'd you wind up going uh Seal Team three so team three yep team three checked into team three and checked

in to the basically tail end of that solder City deployment um so my oif you know whatever is not I mean it's just checking into the tail deployment didn't really do anything went to Germany and uh for two months with group one as they did the transition through uh which was pretty neat meeting a lot of the the high level brass driving them around Working with them and then went went oh I bet you love that yeah hey dude I'll be honest with you it wasn't it wasn't that bad are you serious the reason I

will say my experience was different so if I don't know if you hear it but because you live here in Tennessee now but I have a little bit of an accent to to most people right um so a lot of these Master Chiefs and a lot of these you may not have noticed but I got a little bit of an accent a lot of these Master Chiefs and stuff these guys they they like love the country kid you know they got and so I was always treated pretty well they they enjoyed riding with me they

they you know taking them to wherever sto guard to the uh tent Special Forces Group thing out there and the Sith and all that stuff so I'm just driving them around and they just love talking and talk to them and and I was just just country kid you know just talk about anything talk about Auburn Football Alabama football you know and talk about hunting fishing and they just they I never had any issues it wasn't bad it was just it was easy um and uh then went to met with my platoon Chief in Germany came

through interviewed us and uh he slated me for Sniper school he told me he said you sound like you'll be a better sniper than you will be a comm's guy cuz I don't want to hear you on the radio so Benny sent me to sniper school And that's where I mean I was probably the team six months at that time maybe no [ __ ] so you got sniper like right away right away got sniper school and went there and man Lov sniper school was the most fun training like it's like what I was made

for is cu what I grew up doing as a kid um so anyway that was that was that that portion of of of the of Team three So when you say o if I mean you rotate in Iraq and out of Iraq yeah sounds cool I got oif like all the 06s get oif does that make just go there and get a badge and leave I'm here let's talk about sniper school yeah as a new guy um it again it wasn't the the Lord the Lord blessed me tremendously it was fun we did Van fights

I mean y all that the Haz and stuff the new guy stuff and we would we would fight and all that which was fun I mean I here I'm just a kid from the country this what we had a fight club when I was we'd have a Wrestling team so we all wrestled in the offseason on our own and we started a fight club we got in trouble for it but this is what we did well now I'm getting to do it and I'm not getting in trouble for it we're grown men having van fights

or fighting in conx boxes or or whatever um and uh so that was that was cool that was fun uh sniper school was great I learned so much that I didn't have a clue I could shoot but I didn't have a clue about let me go ahead and tell you Uh even going that I went to that third test of the 300 Win Mag you know you got to do 90% on snaps and movers you're shooting an 11in moving Target you know this like waist to shoulder 11 inch wide at at 800 M they said

we're going to teach you how to rewin and shoot that I'm like where I come from you don't teach anybody to do that that's just luck yeah I remember saying that and thinking it you know but uh going to that uh that school and learning the Sniper Craft um was just a blast you know and uh is in Indiana the guy I mentioned earlier at some time I remember if was talking off camera or on camera Troy Dart buddy of mine I met him in Indiana uh going to church uh there one day and he

showed up on Bay base it's a regular army base and we have our little compound there and uh this guy shows them in tie and everything and he said uh here I am some guy with like long hair and sideburns and I said hey Are you the pastor of Church he goes no I'm picking up people to take him to church I said all right wait I want to come right away and he had been praying for about six months he said that he would meet a seal because he knew seals were on that base

and I happened to be the guy he met and then he's been tied close to the community ever since no yeah and that was 2007 I think 2008 time frame so anyway um can you walk us through kind of that your Pipeline at sniper school yeah so it's changed it's changed now you got pick um P pictograph pictograph whatever it is so we did that at the Strand because it was West Coast guy and the East Coast guys do whatever in Virginia Beach um and then you have what's pick uh pictograph or P pictograph where

you take a camera you know like and you have to you know hold the button so it lets all the light in cuz you know it's the old school P you know picture stuff so You have like light up a tag on a car in complete darkness without night vision or without shining a light on it and uh it's basically surveillance-based stuff right um that would be the pick portion and learning how to use that equipment do you mind if I elaborate a little bit yeah please so pick is a pick is the first course

in into the sniper pip line and it's basically learning how to use cameras not be detected no flashes you Should be able to take a picture and and what 100% Darkness zero visibility and and then they teach you how to kind of compress that in and send it over uh Communications unit yep uh satcom what yeah whatever whatever the the communications platform they have at the time is this changed now they have a different comms platform but so so yeah so basically you you get in observe a Target conduct surveillance send that surveillance over the

net To somewhere else uh and and and that's I mean that's I would say that's probably the majority of of sniper missions is is surveillance and so you need to know how to how to get that data and be able to send it over over comms and then so after better so you're better that's that's a great description the only portion of sniper school I actually completed so so when you got picked and it's a it's a beneficial portion cuz Like you said even any surveillance operation that's what we we do a lot of wherever

you're at and that's important because that's help helps you build targets uh Scout you go from picking to scout again the pipeline has changed now I think it's more meshed together so pick was was it two or four weeks you know was it was about about a month it was about a month I don't think it was a full month but it was pretty close um so somewhere between two and four weeks and Then you go to scout scout was 6 weeks if I remember right and and that's stalking so the East Coast guys are

stalking in the woods it's the easiest thing in the flipping world and the West Coast guys are stalking through losta and I mean they're like watching seeing Trails where you're dragging your sniper bag behind you see the dust Trails kicking up out there in losta where you're stalking stalking through um and uh and you stalk up you set up a a hide Sight but you still haven't shot a rifle yet you're not a sniper you then set up your camera that you learned all about you set your camera up you take a picture of the

target um you have to read a certain card they'll hold up you know a card you get the picture you read the card you tell it to them they're watching your spot you know they got the the instructor in the field who's within five yards of you or whatever and they're looking in that area to see if They find you find your camera find any of that so that's the Scout portion so it's now implementing pick with staying hidden really really really well right you're actually you got your ghilly suit all that that junk right

um and uh that is Scout and then finally you go to sniper uh which is at the time I want to say it was it might have been 8 weeks it might not it might have been six or seven weeks but I think it was two it was 2 months was blocked off for that so Allog together it was like a four-month program started in December for me and I think I graduated in April um and the uh sniper was great so you're doing stalks you're no longer taking pictures you're taking shots it it was

it was great and it was a lot of fun a lot of good dudes that you're there with and you're just just you're just stalking around the woods in in Indiana taking shots you're shooting yard lines every day uh 300 Win Mag uh so the the mark 13 The Mark 11s It was just it was phenomenal and then during it wasn't deer season at the time but um when you go back to do stuff at sniper School help instructor whatever they during deer season you're hunting in Indiana I mean it's just it's fun farthest shot

you took at sniper School uh farthest shot in Sniper school was a little over 1200 M I want to say it's like, 1300 yards plus or minus that's the further shot you take which was interesting because that's when uh I Want to say of all people I think it was Chris K and them developed long range Target interdiction for the west coast and the East Coast because the farthest shot we took in Sniper School especially when we got to Afghanistan wasn't it was like a chump shot you know I was like oh W 1,200 yards

that's great it's an easy shot compared to some of the shots were taken the furthest person I killed was 2345 yards you killed somebody at 2,000 how how far 2,300 45 yards they're on Motorcycle I missed them four times beforehand but blind squirrel finds a nut every now and again so um so we so got that and then uh some of the guys in the H sight with some of them are still in I'll try not to say their names but we'll get there don't go there we'll get there but that was interesting to see

the furthest sniper school shot did not compare to what we were shooting like regularly in in Afghanistan or even I I think some sometimes even in Iraq I mean Guys are taking you know some 1500 meter plugs damn we did a we did a lot of sniper stuff in Baghdad I don't think anybody took a shot over 50 yards well yeah especially with a lot of cqv based stuff you know you you won but well these were these were you're in Sniper hides yep these are sniper hides we just no Afghanistan I think I shot

one dude from like me to you and I'd already shot him once before from a sniper hide yeah cleared up on him and he said up with ZK And I you know cleared around this little wall on him I shot him there too where was that at uh that was in a place called well it was close to colat would be the big area it was it was pretty far it was like a day drive from colat but it would have been close to colot okay yeah okay I think it was called Kum kale maybe

and it doesn't matter we'll get there we'll get to all that the combat limits so so you get through sniper School How'd you graduate uh class no no definitely not top of the class a guy named uh Brian Clayton was at the top of our class I think he got the the the gun um he he did great I actually did pretty good on the stalks I stalked one day in a in just a flannel jacket and a pair of blue jeans and stalked all the way up stalked around the instructor's little thing there and

set up um you know so I did good on the Stalks cuz it's pretty flipping easy I mean if you can stalk up on a deer with a bow in the woods you know that's which I was doing in Alabama and like kind of slip behind trees find a spot jump them climb up shoot a deer if you can do that you can stalk up on a bunch of flipping Team guys with binos I mean that's easy and so it's stalking around um but that being said uh I didn't I maybe middle of the class

you know is is where I was I was not it's funny how the Lord works I Go in oh yeah man I can shoot I'm going it's all this arrogance of who who I am and how great I am and all this I grew up in the woods shoo and then all of a sudden you realize no I suck compar compared to these guys but um yeah I think Brian graduated top of our class there's a lot of good dudes in our class um but I graduated and uh that that's where I decided to been

dating my wife for a little while at a time and uh graduation day the family all comes you Can had family up friends up whatever they all come up shoot sniper rifles it was a fun time I invited my dad my brothers and and her dad and uh me and him were fishing in Pond and I back fishing and that's where I I said hey I want to ask Lauren to to marry me can I ask your daughter to marry me and he said he said you going to have to ask her about that son

but after this weekend it's perfectly fine with me S there wearing out fishing he Lov The guns and the fishing that's awesome how'd you meet your wife uh my dad being a pastor her grandparents went to to their Church um and we kind of knew of each other through that and then my my brother and his wife hooked us up on like a blind date one time when I came home on leave I came back from that Iraq Germany thing that you know told you about I came home and they kind of hooked us up

on a blind date and we hit it off and started Dating then 6 months later I was asking her dad to if I could eight months later I was asking her dad if I could ask her to marry me nice yeah nice you guys been married ever since yeah we've been married 16 years yeah congratulations years yeah thank you made it through the seal made it through the Seal team yeah she was with me the whole time through the SEAL Teams just not the the you know buds portion but she did whatever it was and

you don't hear that very often you Know it's really weird I don't know I don't know if I'm just choosing I I don't know what the hell is going on everybody that comes on here lately from our background is uh his has had a successful marriage which really that's good well that's good it's awesome it's just it's such a rarity and uh it's it's just interesting that the the latest group of soft veterans that have been on this show uh have not Been divorced but so anyways I'd like to what what do you what is

the for you and your wife what's the what's the secret to a successful marriage Christ Christ yeah if can't draw anything but let's say this is her over here and then my wife's a great great woman by the way I mean she's unbelievable um very of everything she's good at she's very wise and and and I think a lot of women are probably this way um but she's very wise in let me know what Relationships I should foster whether business relationships or friendships or whatever and which ones I should cut off she's very perceptive uh

of people I I'm not as much you know um so she's helped me a lot in that so she's a great woman but set all that aside if she's here and I'm here um and Christ is at the top and we're both seeking Christ you know that's been something we see we're going to grow together grow closer together as we seek him um if there's anything else That you see because we're never going to line on everything I love everything that's awesome and cool she loves things that are stupid that's that's that's the way we

look at it right and so we're never going to be going toward the same thing I want a hunt and fish she doesn't care about hunting fish she just wants to spend money at stores and we're never going to coales on that so uh but if we both are growing into Christ first and foremost Matthew 6:33 seek ye first the Kingdom of God and his righteousness and all these things will be added unto you you'll grow close together and that's been that has been what's held us together for 16 years it's um it's been phenomenal

to see she's a Believer like like I am obviously so that that is easy an easy question that's that's what keeps us together perfect so what happens after you after you leave sniper school at Le sniper school go to Team three combat deployment uh or do do a Workup normal workup um and uh now in a an engagement relationship with my wife at that point in time um do the normal workup thing slated to Afghanistan go to Afghanistan it was the wild west of the time I didn't realize this I have to go back and

look like like I said I talked with stump recently he said you got a bad memory he said that deployment was 10 months long for some reason I was thinking six six months right um because you know normal team deployments are are 6 months but and he was right it was a 10-month deployment I think from February till November was when the whole team was was gone over there were you with him yeah he was so he had done he put me through second phase and then he did his it's not ldo he was explaining

it to me but it's going to do an officer thing I forget what it was called and he checked into team three CU you know he was over at uh Development Group got shot went to buzz as an Instructor and that's where I first met him when he left Buzz as an instructor he went to uh uh the only reason I remember this cuz he literally was just telling it to me like last week or the week before he went to team three to do his uh Team aoic or whatever it was cuz he was

trying to do that officer program and so he went to Afghanistan with us and um but anyway uh we did that deployment uh it was it was the Wild West is what Every team got signed up for I loved it it was great uh lots of you know just lots of gun lots of gunfights you know you're getting getting boed getting rocketed killing bag guys um well I'll tell you what this sounds like it's going to get really interesting oh does it okay so let's uh let's take a quick break when we come back we'll

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the Navy wouldn't consider it my first deployment but yeah it's my first combat Deployment for sure okay so yeah let's go there man what I mean you had to be pumped right you you went to you went to Iraq but it was kind of just nothing yeah checked in at the end of the Iraq deployment um nothing because I mean literally there I was there for you know a week you know and then went straight over to uh where did we go I can't even remember where we went through doesn't matter went to Germany And

did that so I mean that's that's my experience in the SE teams and now it's sniper School workup but now we're going to war we're going what every team that signs up so did you know you were going to war before sniper school or did you find out after no we found out after because see you know and I don't I think they still do a similar training pipeliner program not training but a deployment cycle uh would be your professional development so prodev you Know my prodev was sniper School uh and then UL unit Level

Training which is your you know assaults marops um you know land Warfare all of that stuff and it was uh at the front end of that they kind of tell you where they think you're slated for each troop within the within the team and uh which the troop's two platoon but each troop within the team they kind of tell you where you're slated for but I think they kind of decide over that unit Level Training Who's going to get to go where uh and they they told us sometime during that process that we were slated

to go uh to Afghanistan and do the uh uh it turned into the Commando Mission um and some of the vso stuff that teams did you know later on in the in the like 2011 through explain what the vso vso civilians yeah so vso would be it'd be more like a Green Beret mission right where Green Beret is go in they live with the indigenous people in an area And they try to build white space in these you know Villages they're living in right uh so it wasn't it it was gentic because everybody knows there's

Americans here so they would come in and they would always try it was you know very defensive in nature um on the vso side and so you're trying to build white space so you can bring conventional military in set up the stuff and start developing these areas that is really uh it would they were I mean they were out There they were it was just you're just in the middle of nowhere with these folks living on I mean their electricity was a guy bringing a battery the size of your end table right there you know

and plug his lights up to it and that was their electricity well water I mean it was Biblical times farming and stuff like that so you would live in the villages with the people and you would try to you know build Whit space pushing the Taliban out so that's just a Real you know Layman's way of explaining what those vso operations were well this was at the front end of that it really wasn't vso operations it was also Commando missions so that's the one for one um hey we're training The Afghani Commandos or whatever you

know that that that you want to call them the Ana or the& and we have to go out on Ops with them for specific targets so not going after real high value targets some T man commanders and stuff like that but we're Working one for one this was at the front end of that so we initially started off not having to do one for one operations we were doing unilateral Ops on our own um all over the the country but especially within sies sodi and then it kind of got we got Keyhole to doing the

one for one operations with the afghanis what do you mean one for one do you mean one Afghan per one Afghan per per operator holy you know so it it didn't start out like that it was we're On our own and then it was you got to have partner force with you so we might have four partner Force guys per one I'm sorry um one partner for Force guy you know for every four seals or something like this so you just have a few partner Force guys then it turned into literally got a partner Force

guy got me um and it really wasn't it wasn't great it wasn't terrible they would normally call a tax in on us you know they're doing stuff like that we'd Set up to do a kle a key leader engagement uh we' come in at night s during the daytime sometimes we' go to areas where we knew we could get a Taliban commander and we might you know capture kill that guy again all lower level targets it's not like you're going after Bin Laden and any of these but you're going after um valuable people maybe for

this for this area for whatever the the big machine the Big Green Machine being the army or you know Big blue being nsw there say hey this is this is who we want to go after this is what we want so a lot of sniper missions a lot of cool stuff um on that uh I'm trying to think I I lost my train of thought I apologize with oh the vsso so that was the front end of vso because we were living with the Ana in their compound um we were living like we call it

the Alamo I didn't have a shower for like 65 days um just well water from a pump no electricity eating crap like We're living but we're also rolling out and oping uh so I mean it is complete freedom is the Wild West it's like Josie Wells it's what every country kid from Alabama desires when you sign up to go to war right it was literally freedom I did I felt like Josie Wells every day if everybody's hopefully everybody's familiar with Outlaw Josie Wells that listens to this like you're you're just out doing the work and

so that was really cool and then we built a fob up And moved out from that area with it right next to where they were but we moved out from there and then had more conventional come in and really started setting up fob Tapper was the name of the fob in uh in nabar place called nabar Eddie was actually there you're talking about Eddie Gallagher earlier we did turnover with their their platoon OG yeah Ogden Jared Ogden he was there we did a turnover with them um and uh what Part of Afghanistan is this it

right on the border of Pakistan so it's like would be uh Eastern you know maybe a little bit Northeastern it was a little bit south of gney uh I can show you on a map but it's just a place called nabar uh Kum Kell a town right down from that was a little bit of a Taliban stronghold till we killed uh some of the Taliban leaders in that area let's let's let's let's let me uh let me get let's talk about your First which sounds like a lot of [ __ ] happened on this deployment

you got a lot of back and the off Tempo sounds pretty damn good so let's just talk about your first your first operation yeah ever um with the DEA it was uh the DEA fast team um and we were out of this is before I went to nabar and we did the the full turnover we did a uh I forgot where the op was but they were burning the poppy fields remember the da fast team and burn the poppy fields and It was uh us platoon Alpha platoon the whole task unit and uh we did

a opop where they went in and burned a poppy fields found all the the stuff they're sending out I think they said like 70% of the world's opiates came from Afghanistan at at the time I don't know if that's still true or if it was true at the time that's what they said and uh we set up sniper overwatches and uh did the clearance in the village in The Villages for them and they came in they Cleared alongside us and stuff but they came in and dealt with the opiate side that was the very first

operation and uh dude I was so I played High School football only you know it's like the pregame nerves your first stop you know I'm kind of kind of nervous you know a little bit but also super pumped um because this is it you know this is game day and no nothing crazy I don't remember we might have you know ran into a few guys and shot a few guys I didn't Shoot anybody on that op but I remember like this is it you know this is what it's all everything is culminated to this event

right the the time to prepare is over cuz the time to perform is now I was motivated super stoked um your team guy with a beard you know and all your patches and your you know cool guy hair this is it and uh so I just remember being super excited about going on that first stop Flying in the birds there and uh going in it early morning like Nautical twilight maybe 3: or 4 in the morning and getting set up and going through it and then daytime key leader engagement going through the stuff weapons caches

burning poppy fields doing your uh your Biometrics we did the we had the uh the guys there with the you remember the biometric things they do finger prints and blood and eyes doing all that stuff and so that was my my first operation and uh I think I got pictures from it if I can find them I'll Get Stephen to send them over to you you know but I just that' be great dude just tickled pink you know like a kid on his first deer hunt just super excited um that was awesome CU it was

it was Freedom it was Freedom what uh now that now that um you know this is the day after the election so praise God Trump won God no kidding man wow but what I want to ask you is you know military recruitment's been super low yeah like catastrophic that's getting Ready to reverse and uh so what I want to ask is now we're going to get all this interest into of of young men that want to go into special ops units I mean I'm sure you get a ton of messages about this I do too

and um and with the the coming influx because I'm sure it's going to happen now that the now that it's Commander a worthwhile person yeah exactly now that we have somebody that actually backs our military what what advice do you have for somebody that's Joining a team man we always get a lot of people that want to know how to integrate into a team especially at that that that level what would your advice be man that's a great question I would say the team is the team is more important than you and that's hard for

a lot of people especially in our society to get past um and that's a learned trait but the team is more important than you as an individual so if you're looking to go Join that team but you can't get out of the mindset of me me me me me you you you might want to you know wait for a a new level of maturity to set into your life or uh you might want to reassess what you're looking at doing so that would be the first thing right team is most important uh the the second

thing is if you believe what I believe and maybe this should be the first thing if you believe what I believe as a Christian pray and seek God's face about It because if he prepares that way for you or you know if that's the way that you decide you go he's going to prepare that path and you're going to take those steps and you're going to be successful and if he doesn't have that way for you you will not be successful um and so pray and seek his guidance if you don't know the Lord if

you don't believe what I believe ask God to reveal himself to you will be in the person of Jesus Christ and he can draw that path out for You that that that would be that's what I tell guys when they call me that first part or that part I just told you about the Lord in Christ but the second part that I don't tell many people often is the team is more important than you as an individual Elevate that above yourself and if you don't think you're able to do that you won't be successful great

advice do you have any hard Lessons Learned being a new guy yeah um this wasn't as a as a new guy and I Didn't see this until after I was out um I give you two things on this my chief Mike birkenbach he's retired he's a red Squadron guy came over this chief of my last Splatoon at Team three before I left and uh man I just especially after that combat deployment all this I gave that guy unbelievable hell you know just as a you know just just arrogance I mean if you just really want

to be honest if I'm if I'm being honest with Jared or being honest on on the show Right now arrogance toward towards him to this is what we did I mean I was and he was probably one of the best operators I ever worked with of course he came from Development Group he you know and he was he was there but I mean he was unbelievable he was fair he was a he was a good guy and I'm not saying that he was right about everything that he did but uh I did not honor him

in the way that God calls a Christian man to honor those who are over him in Scripture right uh that would be the first thing and the Lord laid that heavy on my heart in 2015 it was a a group life action uh who came through my dad's Church my wife and I were there and this pastor was preaching his name is Shane he's preaching and he's talking about getting right with people that you that you have wronged um and and and being man enough or or to men and women or woman enough to own

what you've done that's wrong and man the Lord just kept Laying Mike Burkin mock my heart Mike bur he was still on the teams at the time and so I went out I left out of the left Ser went out and called him and I can't remember if he answered then or if he called me back later but I said hey man I just want to let you know I'm sorry this is like 3 years after the fact two years after fact I said I'm sorry he said for what you know I ain't talk with

you in a couple years what are you sorry for and I I laid it out for Him so the lord has laid this on my heart and I can't move on unless I get this right so um and we've rekindled that relationship somewhat I talked to him a couple years ago when he retired came back to his retirement but to me that was that was the the biggest regret I have of the SEAL Teams that I could have done something about not that to be honest with you the bureaucracy of the team teams and government

in general you Know set all that aside there's plenty of stuff we can nitpick and say is wrong that piss me off about SEAL Teams that piss me off about the government whoever was elected whatever the bureaucracy was Jared could have done that better um so that was my biggest regret and probably the biggest thing I learned but it wasn't until after the teams it wasn't until it was too late um the biggest thing I learned is a new guy a million out of boys uh can go away with one Single uh oh um uh

long story short I got set sniper hide you know three or four rooms deep and um scope cleared and could see the guys in the town you know and I a sniper on the gun there was another sniper there was no I'm going to be on the gun dude he's like no no you're good yeah yeah you'll be on the gun you're you're you're better shooter than me and all this I remember and I won't say the guys names some of them are still in but these dudes walk across The little field and got my

little UNS on the thing I mean dope set they're like 425 yards easy flipping shot 300 Win Mag few rooms nothing nothing something hits me in the face man I shot you know those parapets that are like the porch you know that the par like you're out on the porch and they've got the little mud mud walls yeah yeah and I'm four rooms deep shooting when my scope sees over sees in but my muzzle I was I was freaking Punching that so I mean we wound up going out and you know successfully completing the mission

by killing the guys we need to kill and doing the stuff we need to do but fired three shots into a wall at you know 30 yards where I was you had great sniper hide and all them adab boys all them good sniper things you know all that all that stuff it completely goes out the window and everybody finds out you shot three times Dam damn how did you redeem yourself uh I don't know just just just continued to work you know continued to try to do the right thing you know but shot that wall

he and po looked at me he's like he's said bro I think you're shooting the wall I'm like a there's no way that third shot something hit me in the face I like I shot the wall what you that 300 wi mag rattling out can you explain to the audience why you are three or four room rooms deep yeah so it's uh funny you mention that I do this and did this In the police academy working CQB angles and distance are everything right whether you're in a building fighting with somebody or whether you're in a

sniper hi so if I can fire a shot from this window right here uh looking over a Target you might see me you might not but everybody's going to look up oh there's a guy in that window but if I can shoot through that same window and be four more windows away it's going to be a whole lot harder For you to find me so again for a sniper or even just an operator doing CQB I want to use all the Angles and distance to my advantage because there's nothing that I can do all the

way up here where I'm being seen that my rifle can't do better from back here where I'm not scene and so that's that's why we were uh three rooms deep I guess that porch would have been technically a fourth room where we were firing out through the through the rooms out the out the Doors and I hit that hit that parit it would have worked great had I not shot the wall yeah been phenomenal sounds like it so let's move into let's move into your first oper let's move into your first operation yeah where you

got a kill let's move into your first um yeah I mean that that was uh I'm trying to think building whites space I can't remember if I think we just drove ATVs you remember those side by sides we had like so I think we just drove those from The fob that we were building up where we were staying at sometimes we'd take hilos certain places but I think we just drove them the whole way um I know we drove them back we go out it's it's dark you know it's like 2: in the morning uh

unilateral op we're looking for these specific people some guy that was making hme you know the homemade explosives um in that area and uh we set up a sniper hide me and a guy I won't use his name he's still at he's at red right now um He might be a Warren officer now that's how old we are he's a war so he uh we set up on a hill and we're told hey let everybody leave the village unless you see anybody leaving with with weapons engage them and and if you see anybody coming into

the village you know with with weapons engage them I that's was pretty much and we're at this in the South sniper hide stump and his crew were in the north sniper hide and then there was a couple other guys on the on The west and where the and this that's where the mountains just kind of they set up this was a real flat Salt Flat area by this town and I I cannot remember the name of the town um but they're doing their clearance so we set up they go through in their clearance they start

on nods they finish it daytime they bring in the the key leader engagement so they bring in the leaders of the Town they're talking to them they found some weapons cachets and stuff and People leave the town and this guy Burns in he had a he had his AK slung he had the saddle bags on his bike that you could see the uh I thought was hme bins or whatever it wasn't it was actually empty jugs I guess he was going in to get uh hme but he had all the mortar fuses and all that

stuff to hook up the the IEDs that's so um shot him off motorcycle at at 600 M and uh um your first kill was at 600 M yeah 600 meters about 650 yards maybe Just inside 600 meters damn um he hit a turn uh I shot at him a couple times you know that 300 wi you know and racking that bolt and he when he hit a turn I found a spot where he was going to slow and kind of turn toward me and uh I shot him through the gas tank of that motorcycle and

that hit his leg and he gets out he's like trying to figure out where it's coming from pointing his AK looking around um I I just dial I had my dope dialed up I do dial my dope down Real quick just flattened it out so I could hold in my reticle you know them old night Force scopes with the Mil Dot it didn't have like a horse reticor what we' shoot now um but I just dropped it down held in my scope and uh Center punched him when I did hit him in the belly and

he crawled behind this thing and then uh we broke down the High Sight and cleared over to him and he was behind this like old uh broken down wall you remember you know how they had like Half-built buildings out there old rundown it's like something like that um and he he he kind of sits up around the corner with his AK from about me to you and you know I threw up the uh it was a scar actually had at the time a 762 scar heavy we were the first ones that we were testing I

think the Rangers were testing them we were testing them I deploy that thing and shot him from about me to you in the head with that and ended him and that was I that was First kill so that was uh point blank with a scar in the head yeah oh dude I got might I I don't know if I've got pictures of all that stuff in employment cuz you remember you have to take pictures of guys and then you have to bring them in at one time I had pictures of that stuff I it's not

something we generally share we probably won't put that up no yeah yeah yeah don't don't put it up we can't get was like but it was it was no you know the 223 you shoot Somebody head it like canoes they they're Dome this thing just like Gallagher busting a watermelon that 762 um but yeah that was the that was my first uh kill and then we we got a few little ticks what did you hold on how did you feel about that being I mean strong Christian faith since childhood I was Tickle Pink I mean

that's what we had we had signed up for I would say now you know looking back on it and did it make any real difference in My life whether I would have done that or not no does it make me any more of a man or any less of a man if I kill somebody or not no um but this guy this way I guess I I rectified myself as a Christian man um if I met this guy in a coffee shop maybe I'd tell him about Christ and try to share Christ with him um

but scripture tells us Paul says that God has put every man exactly where they are in the exact time in the exact place in the exact moment so that they might Reach out and find God it's our own rebellious hearts that keep us from being able to see what God has for us to share um and then when you when you're killed or when you die of old age or whatever it is you have received every bit of time that God was going to aot you to accept him that's what scripture tells us and at

this point in time my job is not to pray for this man's salvation my job is to kill this man because if I didn't he going to go place An IED that one of my buddies are going to run over in a little bit or some some poshon kid is going to run over while they're out there playing with you know the soccer ball or whatever so that's kind of how I Justified it you know it's uh but I I do struggle with now knowing what the government is I especially after the pull out in

Afghanistan and working that I know we might get into that in a little bit I struggle whole wholeheartedly With uh why we were there politically but at the time I didn't know it why what year was this this was 2010 this would be 2010 oh this is later than I thought might in 200 well maybe it was 2009 no it was 2010 that's right 2010 was February 2010 is when we went there yeah um yeah what about being there bothers you uh being there in the moment didn't bother me um missed my wife didn't have

time looking back uh the reasons we were there the the Military-industrial complex the issues that we see I mean we see it going on in Ukraine right now we've you've been to enough places in the world I've been to enough places now multiple deployments where we can see that I would have been willing to fight anybody who wanted to talk trash about the United States of America going and doing the Patriotic thing as a young man but now as an older man and I see the real reasons we were in some of these places and

I see how we Left it um that's what bothers me it bothers me that I I won't say I lived or believed a lie somewhat but there is a little bit of that wondering and thought process there if that makes sense it absolutely makes sense it when do you think it flipped when cuz we had to go because obviously 911 for what point do you think that the interest us interest in Afghanistan flipped man I don't I don't know I would I would have to say Probably when because I came in when I checked in

the teams was at the tail end of the Bush Administration so I didn't get to experience much of bush um I would say it had to be within the Obama Administration you know for me is when I noticed it because it was I mean we could get n we could get nine layers of eror we get er coming in to take a poson guy who was injured out but one of our guys would be bleeding out and dying and you couldn't get anybody land to save Them you know so they ele ated you know the

poshon life over ours on one end but on the other end look at what they did in the in the Afghan in the pullout they absolutely let those people get crushed and so I it's I I don't I can't understand it I don't know if I don't know if I can understand why they do what when I say they I'm talking about the system you know the whoever's in charge the administrations I don't get it we're not there to win we're We're fighting a global war on terror what is that the global war on scariness

you can't fight something that's not an enemy you know we okay we're fighting the Russians there's an enemy or we're fighting the the the Taliban there's an enemy but a war on teror just like drugs and law enforcement you know the the War on Drugs you can't fight a war on drugs it's an inanimate object and and it it's obvious we've been doing it since the 80s and it's getting worse right um the Same thing with a war on terrorist so that is where I really struggle I'll say at least where it flipped for me

where I started thinking this was probably probably Co to see how the government acted during Co to see how many guys they kicked out and kicked to the curb and what they pushed um that we now know was a lie uh and I we don't have to get into all that but that was probably where it really clicked for me man It's I didn't always trust the government but I really don't now because they've been caught with their pants down and then Afghanistan pull out that was that was the nail in the coffin for yeah

me too man me too when I when I saw what was going on there that was that just solidified all the beliefs that I had yeah you know it was or how about when they smoke a carload full of kids they're they're trying a guy like Eddie Gallagher for killing a guy in Combat but they smoke a car load full of flipping kids and some uh some some basically social workers uh because they said it's Isis and then they Li oh you're talking about the usaid workers that they yeah and then they then they lie

about it yeah they lied they they they it was a drone strike it a drone strike that's right drone strike the car that was supposedly was it the who who did they think it was they thought it was the Isis K guys is what Is what I was told I just remember cuz we were getting people pulling people out in the process and I got a call from a buddy um were you there when that happened yeah we were in I think I was in I can't remember if I was here getting ready to leave

or if I was in Istanbul ready to go in to to Jan but either way I got a call from a buddy he said hey you hear what happened and I said what he kind of explain I said yeah know the Isis K guys they smoked he goes Yeah no it was a car load full of full of kids and and some uh his exact words or social workers but I uh he was probably trying to say what you just said US US USA workers but I mean it's and then they lie about it yeah

they lied told us it was an Isis leader and then it came out no actually Biden you just killed a couple of kids and some us Aid workers job and but nobody [ __ ] cares right nobody cares let's let's prosecute Gallagher yeah that's and that For killing a [ __ ] ice a real Isis fighter that was actually Isis and actually who was shooting at yeah exactly and that's not not a bunch of [ __ ] kids in a USA worker and that is really where it was the the the the straw that broke

the camels back for me to to really look into and now you go into some of the interviews that you've done some of the people you're talking to about what we've given you I've talked with buddies in Congress about What we've been doing in Afghanistan and a lot of these guys at the political level they don't even know and I think a lot of them don't care um but a lot of them are obtuse to what's what's going on because the bureaucracy hides it um that's one of the benefits of trump going in is he's

going to deal with the bureaucracy I hope he will that's drain the swamp that is crush the bureaucracy which keeps the politician from knowing actually what's going on and keeps the Guy on the ground from getting what they actually need to do the job yeah so anyway all that being said that is I don't know where the the flip or the switch happened maybe there was never a switch and it was always that way but I know for me when I started seeing the writing on the wall was probably that 2019 to 2021 time frame

of covid into Afghanistan pull out that it was it's sickening it's almost embarrassing to say that you're a Part of it yep yeah I wouldn't uh I wouldn't disagree with you but well let's move into let's move into your long your your sniper kill the farthest one oh yeah um what were you guys doing uh it was another task unit size so two seal platoons clearance and OverWatch um being a sniper I can't remember what we did but wherever we inserted we cleared through this little area climbed this mountain we're doing OverWatch of you Know

another Village that they were clearing through and then they did a key leader engagement um and it was kind of supposed to be a talian stronghold in that area and they uh they they were getting to a lot up north we didn't have much going on where we were was hot flipping miserable and these guys come out and of course they're arm to the teeth they got their their rodians on and their AKs I think one of them had it wasn't a PKM but it Was one of those AKs with a long barrel and the

big bipod legs you know um and it was but but it wasn't a PKM it was just a as rpk is that what they they're called yeah um so anyway they ride out together on a motorcycle and one of the snipers shoots at him and misses uh and then I start shooting at him and the guy was with me Greg he's he just starts lazing with a big those the big Viper remember the big Vector one those humongous things he's Like hey you know 1,700 and so I I had my dope set I remember doing

the hold over and I could see that big raus round from that 50 BMG going you know right or left and they slow turned and Greg um my rattled through four shots and then on the fifth one I remember looking at Greg said uh 2345 send it and he's just giving me the lasers that was the last one so I I looked at my dope card I cranked my dope to what would have been 2350 put the wind hold on that I thought which was just it was actually a little bit so if they're going

this way my wind hold was actually this way I remember being about the second Mil Dot I I remember seeing it vividly like I could draw it for you like that one thing but close eyes natural Point aim's good please Lord let it hit boom I remember watching the trace that big bullet go to the sky I thought I shot over him it went Through his front leg went through the bike went through this the leg on the other side and blew up on the other side uh you know the raus rounds and FL the

and he fell over and I was like a man I thought it went I saw the trace and it dropped down and it Trace is you know the vapor trail the bullet you know for anybody who's listening and falls over and I was like ceas did I get I don't know can't tell we couldn't really see you know at that distance and uh the TU Commander comes over and said hey how far was that person that you just shot at HUD said a little over two clicks he said that's a long shot son he's calling

for a medic and a mechanic and so he laid there and bled out and they were actually able to go get his uh some of his ID material his guns he just laid there nobody came back for him they got his bike when they cleared over and cleared the uh I guess cleared that side of the of the village so that was my Furthest kill uh definitely not the furthest one out there but it like one a mile and a third so it was like I said missed him four times so blind squirrel finds a

nut every now and again so you know it it worked out but yeah that was um and again you know what we were doing that for the specific job that God put me in that place to be a sniper at that time that's how you you justify that he didn't put me in that place to be a Missionary or anything else I was that place to be a sniper and protect my guys who are literally clearing the village to go over there where he's going to plant his IEDs and to set up an ambush on

these guys yeah and it's my job to make sure that they get home to Mama and the babies and so that's that's what we're there to do and that's why it's important to understand you can't U Proverbs 19:2 says Zeal without knowledge causes you to miss the mark You got so many people that are zealous for so many things but they have zero knowledge about what actually went on um I could have all kinds of zeal about the political you know climate and what's going on but if I have no knowledge what's really happening I'm

going to totally miss this is what I know this guy's trying to kill my buddies and trying to kill me so I've got to kill him and that's that's just the way it is y Yep is there anything notable on this deployment that you want to bring up um uh Brendan Looney this be the only thing cuz he was such a solid dude uh Bren Looney Looney died uh at toward the end of the point September I think we rotated by the time everybody rotated out was November one so month and a half left Looney

died and how did he die uh Hilo crashed Hilo got shot down that was I mean as you know Most of your buddies most of my hilos very rarely at the front end of the deployment we had an augment that Andy set up with gold because he was connecting then we did an interop with them and then some of our guys attached to them uh that's when Adam Brown died at the front end of the deployment like March oh [ __ ] yeah so that was uh um so it started off that way with us

being kind of tied to them that's how we got in early and started doing the rip and Some of our guys doing the augment with gold um Adam died and then Green Beret died in the middle of deployment we had to go out and he he got shot and drowned in a river and we had to go out and do look for him under a dam if I remember right that was the last time I saw Looney uh and then Looney died a couple months later in that Hilo crash and then there was a couple

other team guys that died um that I didn't uh know really well but I'd met him um and uh a young Guy who I knew he was a couple training classes behind me if I remember right I literally ate breakfast with him and or ate you know not breakfast but just ate dinner but they cooked eggs and all that stuff you could choose what you wanted to and in Kandahar ate with him the night before and then he he he uh he was on that Hilo the next day on that turnover op or whatever it

was so uh that was that that was that was hard because it was a lot of it wasn't Everybody's first time to experience loss team three had suffered a lot of loss from Mikey Monsour to Ryan job to Mark Lee to now now uh you know all those guys now Brendan Looney so team three had suffered loss and a lot of guys had experienced it but at least for me a couple of the guys who this was really our first real Combat Point our went through training with him his good buddy that was hard um

and then yeah yeah so that would be that' be the Hardest thing damn damn and but Dennis Miranda by the way was the guy that I that I ate with I don't know if I said that a little bit ago that that I kind of knew through a few training classes he was at Team Four I think doing the turnover up he he died as well damn man how did um I mean how did the team kind of recover from that or did surprisingly really well you know uh there is one great thing about any

accusation anybody wants to level Against the Seal team and I don't I love all Special Operations I'll never talk trash about Delta Green Beret you know marock and it SE teams any of them because it takes a special person and even in scripture God upholds Men of War Real Men of War and Special Operations I don't care what anybody says conventional forces just generally are not doing what special operations are doing we're always at the front end of the combat some speal some conventional Forces are but all of Special Operations are generally if there's combat

going on they're going to be somewhere there and near it and uh god holds a special place in his heart for the Warriors so all of them do the same I can't speak to those other organizations though but what I can do is speak to the SEAL Teams in particular uh a group one bro the what they offered and what they do for for when you do lose a friend a close one what they do for the families is hands Down the best community I've ever experienced or been around my wife still talks about that

and we were in it for a short amount of time it's not like I did a 25 year career and retire yeah um the best community to have around you when something like that happens I mean you had guys coming out to Danny's from you know all the East Coast teams Development Group STV out in you know Hawaii or Oregon where guys were coming in to Danny's just to to honor Brendan Looney and hang his picture on the wall there you know Danny's is a uh Danny's is a what a seal a team bar in

corado lot of tradition there yeah so uh they they did you'll never hear me level an accusation against nsw about how they treat people especially when loss happens um you know so it was they they did very well and the team recovered well and we moved do cuz it's what we do that's the hardest thing for I think us to understand mama and the Girls when Daddy dies they live with that forever the team yeah you remember your boys but it's the machine that's going to keep going um and I think a lot of times

we forget that as Team guys we forget that they're giving up everything in their life they're giving up daddy they're giving up my husman versus the team you're a cog in the whe and yeah your boys might give up a friend but you're a cog in the wheel and and that's okay it's not a bad thing that's just The way it is and yeah you mentioned guys that get divorced I think that's one of our biggest issues is we we're all about the team all about the machine and and then we don't realize we're a

cog in the wheel until we realize we're a cog in the wheel and we're out yeah and Mama and the girls have been sitting here on the sidelines the whole time giving you up and you've been giving the best of yourself to this machine that's going to Keep going whether you're there or not they're not going to keep going whether you're there or not if there there if there is an accusation I can level against our community is that we fail to realize that our most important job as our wives and our kids not the

SEAL Teams not the boys and that's hard to hear and hard to say because I'd die for these guys but I'd most certainly die for these girls too they need a daddy to be there for Them that doesn't mean that you're afraid to die no you most certainly go out and do the job and if you die you die that's just the way it is but if I can be here for them and not be off with a boys hanging out you know going out to you know to the bars or wherever with them and

I can be at home with my family that's where I should be did you come to that realization upon your return home from that deployment no no I I knew that beforehand and I didn't have kids at the Time yeah me it's a script show it's a Christian principle um and and so I was rooted in in that that um and I would say any angst I had it was that the team always wanted you to do this and it's like no I need to be here with her um and then when you have kids

I need to be here with them and it's hard for guys like us because I I definitely wanted to be there with the boys doing XY andz um because that's how you build rapport and Trust so iy that's it's just the the Culture I guess of it um and too many guys don't don't realize they're just a cog in the machine until they're out and they're no longer a cog in the machine did you do another deployment after that yeah yeah didlo yeah so um we did it was it was an at the time I

was mad cuz I wasn't going to Afghanistan with the other guys and it was a year-long deployment um that that we did we rotated in and out that's when we did the Korea Yemen uh um Bahrain the cre Mission out of there uh took down some ships during that time that was pretty cool the the Gulf of the G when were you in Yemen uh 200 200 no 11 2012 2012 cuz 2011 was finishing our because extortion happened August of 2011 and that was at the tail end of our workup and then we deployed December

of that year 2012 yep you down in Aiden uh yeah so the way they broke us up they split up our platoon uh we initially all went to U is it the Gulf of Aiden is that where the the yeah so we initially went there we landed at some uh I tell you what da Dave could probably tell you better it's some Airbase or OIC could tell you better there's no Russian Airbase just landed there in the middle of the night um offloaded and uh it was the same time that some guys from Dev group

got in that gunfight in the street where they're going in to get their haircut in A in a and they got in a gunfight and it was a that was a whole ordeal so it's around that same time and I think it was February of 2012 landed and then they split the platoon so half the platoon stayed there the other half of us we went and did a uh a mission with stdv running sniper OverWatch for him out of byrain and we stayed on a ship for a few weeks run a sniper OverWatch for STV

and then we went back to Bahrain did running sniper OverWatch for STV let's talk about that yeah um it was it's cool now it wasn't super sexy I'll tell you one cool thing you know everybody when I was make fun of you got the guys that you combat swimmer oh you got microscopic bubbles coming out of your Mas they're going to find you remember that you go to the diver you can't have the bubbles dude that freaking STV machine would off gas underwater like you popped a balloon the size of this room Underwater humongous bubbles

but I remember being able to look down on nods and see the glow of the of the STV you know while running sniper OverWatch for them and then we had a half and a bath uh that was that was kind of runner for them I can't talk too much about all that they were doing but they were probing certain areas from my understanding and we were just making sure that they didn't get rolled they were Iranian vessels in the water you Know floating around pointing guns at us we had some pirates that we dealt with

you know sank a few little pirate thingies with the with the minigun where they get up close to the STV I mean it was no kiding talk about that a little more descriptive uh just basically these guys would get in these certain areas and you know they had the the door Gunners and the and the Hilo that we were with and had the little minigun and you know most of the time as those guys Would come up a lot of them would jump out of the boat and swim away cuz here comes this big Hilo

and whenever that happened you're just just like a like a wood crate like a johnboat or something almost I mean it wasn't anything special you just zip it up with a minigun and you know blow it to Pieces let it sink right there and carry on with life you know so they couldn't I guess continue to do what they're doing now they're just stuck out in the Water swimming Around right on where were you guys doing ship boardings uh we're doing ship boardings in the same area and then in the in the Red Sea with

the uh went to Jordan and did a a j set with him and did the uh did a ship in the Red Sea with their Jordanian uh CTU I don't know some kind of tier one unit I met King abdulla while we were there I mean he shook our hand when we flew in I thought that was really cool especially now with all that's going on yeah uh went to I Guess it's cadic I didn't know it's called catic at the time you know where they got the tubular ass salts and all that stuff in

Northern Jordan and Aman uh got to go to Petra while we were there that was cool to see but I did train in at cadic or in U um Aman and aaba down there and that that would be where uh we did some of the ship boardings down there and then we did what were you doing ship were these real ship boardings or no no no no these are All so these are all J sets all of them were J sets uh we exception of one Ship boarding that we did out of Bahrain but that

was separate from all these things these were uh hook and climbs with their tier one units on you know just ships they had in the Red Sea that they set up to do it on so and I never done we did those in the teams going through training I never done a lot of them we did some in Korea uh and that was cool uh especially since I was a Hearst cast Master and I didn't have to be in the water doing the climb I would do the we' do the the Rope on the deck

so we did a lot of those with the rock seals too in the snow I mean it's like what you see in the movies so those were J sets the the one real ship board was done out of with the cre out of byin no kidding what was the why were you boarding that [ __ ] uh it was a uh that's a great question like depleted uranium and some weapons and stuff um I want to Say somebody fell in the drink and you know it was like it was just like jumping across onto the

boat somebody fell in the drink and uh he's out now I won't say his name but he fell in the drink and he's he's fine and then uh another guy I think they somebody shot two guys on that boat um that were armed and it was just kind of like the houth vessel board they just did in January very similar to to that just a different sea state in a different vessel so that Was that was the oh [ __ ] so you guys boarded a ship oh yeah yeah that wased uranium and weapons te

201 and got two kills I don't know I don't even know anybody that's no I mean I now I didn't get those kills that was I'll find I'll find I'll text somebody when we leave here and I'll find the name and the team guy was but yeah they did that that was 2012 um and then we had guys in Afghanistan and kind of culminating event for that one was um hold on hold On so you went to back to Afghanistan again no no this is a troop of Team three in Afghanistan this we lost Warson

uh THS and I went through training with Pat Uh we lost Sim and he crash Dan earlier in that deployment I think I was we were doing the stdv thing at the time Dan kickstarted that uh IED or I guess he did the guy in front of him didn't you know Dan Crenshaw uh had that ID go off um or Trip wire whatever it was blew him up so nobody knew how Dan was going to be you know cuz we knew he was in the hospital he had his eyes and all so that would that

had happened then we lost uh Warson and and and Pat and so that was kind of that was Heavy that was very heavy on the team because literally now and then the year prior we had lost in in August of 2011 extortion went down we had we had done an augment with all of those guys or or an interop and in an Augment we knew a lot of them drock came from Bravo platoon from my first platoon when I checked in he was there before he went and screened and went to Development Group and uh

then we had buddies went through training with Nick Spar um I told him the night before he went so a lot of loss in a very short amount of time and that was heavy on the community as a whole but also on us at Team three because we were all we all knew those guys pretty tight with those Guys and so it literally always like one funeral right after another you're constantly nailing your freaking Trident into a coffin so that was uh that wrapped that deployment and then Benghazi happened we were overseas when Benghazi was

going down and everybody was getting wored on that spinning up and Tai Woods was a buzz instructor when I went through and so I remember his I mean it was just like God man the hits keep coming for The for for us people we know so I that was uh and that was pretty much what rounded my career out I I checked into sniper school after that left team three screen positive for uh Development Group and or for Green Team and was uh my chief Mike birkenbach told me said hey look if you if you

stay you're going to take a slot uh if you get out you need to decide now and in un s good and so I said I'm going to get out I'm going to go to the reserve we're going to go back Home and that's where they found out had type 1 diabetes and that was another year and a half process and get my um benefit retirement IDs the health care for the family all the stuff that they all go back and forth and fight on cuz I could have been in the regular Navy couldn't be

in the SEAL Teams with being insulin dependent or couldn't be uh a Socom or jck operator and be insulin dependent but I could be in the conventional Military um and so anyway all that being said it worked out good I got everything I needed and and got into law enforcement so you decided you decided to get out before you found out you had diabetes was the reason they found out I had type 1 diabetes is because I was doing my medical process out yeah what what was it what what they said it was an anthrax

vaccine and I've had some doctors tell me well no there's no way it can be that have a lot of other Doctors tell me that within the the system that we like doing my blood work finally know this is the anthrax vaccine so that's what I that's what I hold it to because the hardest part they had is I un like even my evals it said you know suggested to screen for Development Group High performer physically I mean like they're like hey you know how can how can this this what the Navy said how can

this guy be this High performer yet he has diabetes Because everybody's mind goes to you know Wilford Brimley I guess with diabetes right um this doesn't make sense if he's a high performer we can't medically retire him so I broke my back a few times for workups deployments all that had some you know knee surgeries and tbis from Afghanistan IEDs and RPGs and so they added all that in and that's where I was able to get my uh my benefit now I say that I say that tongue and cheek cuz a lot of people think

that Means you can't work you can't do anything that's not the way it is I mean I'm still I can still perform I can still do the job a lot I just can't be a Socom or jck operator and be insulin dependent yeah that's the that was the ultimate thing [ __ ] well what made you what made you decide to get out uh I wanted uh my wife's school was uh was paid for and she she's a nurse my wife is but her school was paid for but all the schools in San Diego were

impacted Like we couldn't get her into school there we looked at hey if you stay in go to Green Team and and go through that process you know what that lead time's going to be and it it was easy for her to go to UAB right there in Birmingham Alabama and so I said look I'll go to the reserve team you'll go through nursing school I'll do two years of the reserve team let you finish school and then we'll get back in the Navy and go to the east coast that was that was the Plan

yeah okay did you have any kids at the time no no kids at the time um but that was kind of our plan and the the the type 1 diabetes just the Lord used that to change my trajectory and I and I don't complain about it at all I mean I can't complain at all we've been blessed tremendously how was it coming home once you were out it it wasn't nothing at home not even when you were out just how how was it coming home From knowing you were going to be done uh it you

know you feel like you're out of prison a little bit cuz you're in the government you know I mean you uh it feels good but nothing changed at home everybody gotten older everybody had gotten jobs a little bit but I mean it's home was still home but everybody just grown up now we weren't high school kids playing football and fighting and rolling yards or whatever it was anymore we're now adults with jobs and we can't Goof goof butt around all the time so that was the only thing cuz the home I left was still the

same home but I was at a different place in my life and so was all my friends my brothers my sisters everybody um so that that was the only difference and then just just went back and started trying to figure out what we're going to do for work cuz I'm going through my medical process out of the teams which like I said it took till 2014 were you I Mean did you did you have trouble reintegrating into no civilian life back in back in with your wife that would that would probably be a better question

to ask her but I would say no um and uh she I think she would agree with me um and things happen so quick you know with with the medical with going through that process and then um doing some anti-piracy contracts with tronic group realizing that I wasn't going to be able to do that with where I was medically Deploying and getting into law enforcement uh from law enforcement starting my NBA start or you know finishing trying to I say finishing start my NBA and finishing the NBA starting my business like we just did a

lot of stuff in a in a short amount of time and it there never was a difficulty transitioning it was just no [ __ ] so you didn't have any addictions depression anxieties no sleeping problems none of that dude I had no issues that I can and I will tell you this I mean I've obviously shared my faith I really think it's the it's the person of Jesus Christ that I mean it says he gives you peace which surpasses all understanding it says he is the only peace Giver he's the ultimate healer Jehovah verfa um

if there was any of those issues I think that he effectively dealt with them for me I never had anything um like that I I was diagnosed with cancer in 2015 testicular cancer Went through that surgery um and that was a whole process but we had kids it came from uh they just said it was common in guys our age OE F and O if you know B basically like our our age group it was a common thing and they believe it came from uh uh what's a depleted uranium and those office rounds are depleted

uranium I didn't know that at the time I mean it's but they're depleted uranium apparently and uh or at least that's what somebody Told me or one of those doctors said and it was um and the the IED Jammers you remember those things that you run on like the trucks dude you're the you're the second person to tell me this in in like a week and I've never heard of before maybe the Lord's need telling you you need to go get checked out and make sure you're good to go cuz I mean that's it now

but here's the thing that's just what they say they think it comes from they can't say it but I think what I had Was called a if I remember right a stage two common seminoma and it was testicular cancer and uh they just had to remove uh the one testical so I'm you know I'm buddies used to show me say hey you're one nut for being a princess warrior bro what they used to tell me um and uh so went through that process and my wife was was pregnant at the time and uh it was

different going into the it's like a place where you get in vitro or whatever like you know one Of those are clins but we' have to go in to to to save uh seen in case we would have babies later if the surgery on me went bad and W up made making me infertile or whatever so we're in that process and here she is eight months pregnant and we're in this place where she felt really uncomfortable about it because we're in this place where people were struggling to have kids and she is she's a small

lady but she was she was obviously pregnant and and uh but we Went through that process so that was you know a thing and uh I did some work for the the NOA stuff one of the few Wildlife Control operators that shoot in the cities we did in New York did it in the Hamptons coling Wildlife I was looking at go doing Wildlife biy stuff and getting all out of the the Tactical world of when I had my first kid just doing deer deployments didn't didn't seem like what I wanted to wanted to do but

I mean we were shooting deer all Over the nation Guam um culling animals ulet pigs and deer wait so what what was the point uh so basically I thought maybe you were talking about going after poachers or something no no no not going after poachers they uh so basically you can look up the organization White Buffalo a guy named Pete chamus who still on the SEAL Teams uh buddy of mine went through training together his father-in-law runs an organ is a like a PhD wildlife biologist they call him the Deer doctor Tony din Cola dude

is great dude like phenomenal dude we don't me and him don't believe like same he's not he's not like conservative you know like me or or Christian like me but he's a he's a fair reasonable guy could have a conversation with him uh but he's wildli biologist and they would do control like uh Wildlife Control well he asked me to help come teach a class cuz we connected through Pete um and I taught a class and he said hey would you be interested in Doing this and took me through a few interviews I did a

few shoots with him went up to his place in Connecticut and uh next thing you know I got he he hired me in and and did Animal Control all over the nation went to Guam I mean we're talk when I say Animal Control I'm talking like I was with him one night I think I was just spotlighting for these two nights and he was shooting kind of teaching me what to look for and stuff we killed 330 deer and two kns and Brook Haven National Laboratory so I mean it's areas where there are massive animal

like deer and pig problems got ulate control and so uh that's that's what they call it you know the animal is called an ulet I did some cool stuff and you know with pigs in Michigan worked with uh him in Michigan State University so it was really neat and it was a cool transition away from the Tactical world away from the law enforcement World CU now I've already Left full-time law enforcement to go into this because this opportunity seemed better given all that I was dealing with medically and and and what my wife wanted wanted

to grow the business and uh did that for a few years and and the Lord just kept bringing up the Tactical stuff and and I wind up leaving that fulltime to to stick with what we what we know you know so you you already had another law enforcement career as well by this point yeah this Is 20 so when I went I did full-time law enforcement for one year and this opportunity came available okay uh and it paid more money and it got me out of night shift work and and all of the stuff that

you deal with within full-time law enforcement that I know you're familiar with I mean you deal with law enforcement guys I was talking one of your guys about law enforcement and kind of what he's dealt with so I know you're kind of familiar with the The stuff there I was like hey if I can make more money and have a better schedule then that's what I'm going to do and so I left to go do that what year were you a cop uh 2014 into 2015 because I you know I left the SEAL Teams in

2013 this is before it got bad to be a cop yeah it wasn't bad to be a cop at the time I like it was it was still hard to get in because so many people submitted for it uh Sheriff um me and him don't always Get along but I mean I like him he's a nice guy I think he would say he likes me too his name is John samego out of Shelby County Sheriff's Office uh you know I I think he's probably getting close to retirement now I talked to him not long ago

on the phone but he was a chief Deputy at the time and I'll be honest with you whatever anybody wants to say about let's say him as a law enforcement leader um CU I think leadership in law enforcement is one of The biggest issues that dude I can't all I can say is that if it wasn't for for that dude I wouldn't be in law enforcement today he got me into law enforcement he gave me the opportunity that honestly yeah seal yeah degree all that stuff it would have still been very hard to get had

he not uh made some calls and got the wills of Justice turning for lack of better word to get me into law enforcement even going through all my medical stuff interesting So I'm very appreciative of that so then we you started TSI right yeah so TSI started it when I became a cop you know and just doing like training for women and stuff on the side what prompted you to do that well when I was in the teams actually and I started going through the process of like looking at getting out even before the medical

stuff go back to that guy Troy deart in Indiana I talked about know he said hey man we can make Some killer money on the weekends training women I've been doing this he had like an N instructor he was a cop and he uh he had worked his way up through the the the system at that time I he might have been the chief prosecutor at Johnson County that's where I wound up going to Johnson County and getting swarm but anyway he said uh let's do this on the on the weekends I said all right

so when I transitioned out and then they find the medical stuff I'm going through that I would I would fly into Indiana teach on the weekends with them you know or and make some money and that's where we started TSI um he actually came up with a name the shooting Institute and he's worked with me ever since he's worked on government contracts I've had him he's like one of him and a guy named Mike rebles are the only two cops that have ever been able to work on a j contract as instructors um so he

uh he helped me start kind of Get it going and start it up and and and ran it and then he's you know he's like hey you run your thing so there's another company called the shooting Institute out of Indiana that's not us you know um we work with those guys some but that's not us our shooting Institute is that it's the Alabama flag with a bone frog in the center of the flag that red X with a bone frog um and uh anyway that's what we uh that's what I've done since 2014 and did

the wildlife for it when I left it full time I left because I kept getting called back to do SWAT trainings to do government trainings and all that and there was enough of that that I told told Tony thank you for the opportunity but I'm not going to go the wildlife biology route I'm going to go back to my roots what we were doing and spend more time at home with my wife and and now you know Everly was born in 2015 so one And a halfy old daughter so I left that and started doing

the training right on man right on well um Jared let's take a break when we come back let's get into uh trafficking stuff I know everybody out there has to be just as frustrated as I am when it comes to the BS and the rhetoric that the mainstream media continuously tries to force feed us and I also know how frustrating it can be to try to find some some type of a reliable news source It's getting really hard to find the truth and what's going on in the country and in the world and so one

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comments we'll see you in the newsletter all right Jared we're back From the break we're getting ready to get into your nonprofit but we had a pretty a we started a pretty interesting conversation downstairs about um about IID asked you if you were going to run for Sheriff again and you had me You' said if God put it on your heart like he did the first time and then I kind of cut you off cuz I want to I want to talk about this when you say God put something on your heart or told you

to do something Or LED you to a certain direction I mean what does that mean how do you know how do you know it's God well that's that's a that that is a great question how do you know it's God um one in Proverbs it tells us a man's path is before him but the Lord directs his steps we know that the Lord can only direct our steps if we are in him so the first thing is continuing that relationship with God so I ask you in my heart to be my savior right but I

spend time in his word every Day spend time praying every day so for me uh and I'll tell you the amount of scripture that I read daily I write a commentary for each of my daughters um each year so I'm on well I did one for my wife I did one for my oldest daughter I'm on my middle daughter right now I've been doing that for the last three years so I've read the entire Bible um a little more than the entire Bible and wrote something on each chapter in the Bible like each chapter I

find something That stands out to me or I find a description so it might not be a commentary necessarily might just be something stands out in my life how does this apply to me now um I've done that for the last 3 years and I've always read generally speaking read the Bible throughout the entire year um like read the whole Bible in a year ever since I was heck probably 14 years old so I read a lot of scripture um and I I'm learn something new every time I don't know it More than anybody but

that's the first thing God speaks to us through his word go way back to John chapter 1 in the beginning was the word word is actually logos is the word that's used uh in the Greek translation I believe and it and it means a couple things but the two primary folks is there is it's the written word of God it's the plan of God and it's the spoken word of God that's actually what it means so we have the written word of God in the Holy Bible Before us and if you do a study on

the Bible you see every oh what about the translation and all these interpretation no it's actually pretty ducks nuts across the board you're losing me a little bit oh sorry sorry you're losing me a little bit just how do you know it's him first in his first you stay in his word because you hear his voice there so when you hear his voice elsewhere you know what it is so my wife Give an example my wife doesn't have to Say anything but I know what she's saying to me does that make sense because I know

her because I'm with her all the time I know God's voice because I'm with him all the time I read his word I pray to him God guide me in this way do this do that forgive me of my sins I converse with God I read his word I know what he sounds like and that's what's important and we have it at our fingertips you Have it on your phone in a Bible app you have it uh so what is the feeling what is the feeling cuz I I feel tugged into certain ways too I'm

a Believer I've not read the whole Bible I don't know scripture but I do my I feel like my faith is very strong with that being said that's a great that that what is the feeling so you know what I mean I mean I I I I just maybe I got Um a thought in my head to go pour a drink right now yeah it's not from God I haven't drank in yeah two years two and a half years yeah you know or I don't does it Aline does it align with his word and the

only way you know if it aligns with his word is if you read his word so what does what does the Bible say use drink and you said pour a drink uh proverbs 31 I believe it is the Proverbs it might be Proverbs Chapter 30 the Proverbs woman is telling about it And that woman was Solomon's mother right she's telling him what a good woman's like and he says don't linger over wine Solomon don't desire it's for those who are hurt for those who are perishing for those who are anguishing so that they can forget

their anguish the Bible tells us what wine is for it also tells us on another end that uh wine gladdens the heart and a feast gladdens the heart so we see wine for two different two for two different Things the scripture tells us that um Paul says don't be filled with or don't be drunk with wine because they would drink to worship dianis but don't be drunk with wine but be filled with the Holy Spirit why did Paul say that because what do we know wine does what do we know alcohol or drink does it

Alters our mind it Alters our state uh which is why a lot of guys you see it in the teams they're going away from drinking because it creates more issues Than it helps because we're not in our right mind and that's what Paul's saying don't be drunk with wine because you don't even know what you're doing be filled with the Holy Spirit and do the things of God and it's not something that I can say this is exactly what God sounds like but when you know him in your life you see him in your life

and most of the time it lines up with his word so I could sit here and say God told me this this and this and generally Speaking that's not God talking that's not God talking if I'm telling you that God something that God's telling me to tell you to do do in your life God will speak directly to you but the only way you hear it is in his word otherwise everything else is confusion let me hold on all right maybe that was a bad example maybe I want a new car let me let me

ask you this what what was it what when you say that God put that on your heart or led the way or whatever to Run for Sheriff how like how did you know how I know what what was it so when I ran for was it a feeling was it a voice was it a bunch of signs that all happened at once what was it I would say all of the above um and I'll try to tie into scripture I never would have run or been involved in any Politics the Lord put that in my

life he just kind of placed it in my life um with a specific individual who said hey have you ever considered this And I laughed and I said no that stayed in my heart the Lord kept bringing it to my mind the issues that we had that I had with law enforcement leadership kept bringing it to my mind I read in scripture um how uh leaders God places leaders he stands them up and he tears them down and this was something I thought man this is the largest sheriff's office in the state there's no way

I have no weight in to this this is a big task and I keep reading scriptures On how he sets up things and he tears them down sets up kingdoms and pulls them down he can put whoever he wants into a position as I'm reading this I thought well I complain about law enforcement leadership all the time lord is this what you have for me to do so then I seek wise counsel scripture says that it says that we should seek wise counsel my dad some of the pastors at my church guys this is what

I'm looking at this is what I think what do y'all think Because where I'm running at I will probably lose it's a heavily democ rat County uh it's an impossible task there's an incumbent Democrat in there uh and it's going to take according to I met with a previous Sheriff who lost to the incumbent Democrat the guy was Republican for and he said you're going to need at least half a million dollars I got to come up with a half million dollars to run a county race that I might lose these are all things that

We're seeing as to that would turn you off does that make sense I can't do this so um as I as I waigh through it it stays on your heart the Lord keeps it on your heart whatever it is you know for each individual person and for me it was I can do this I need to do something about it even with people saying you can't and guess what I still ran and I lost and I told people that God hasn't called me to win he's called me to run that's what I would tell people

he's Called me to run for Sheriff if I win great but if I don't win he's called me to run I'm going to do this the best I can we rais 600,000 just under $600,000 for that campaign that was one of the prayers and Provisions I asked for God I don't know how to raise this campaign money I ask that you would help us raise it we rais like $560 something thousand more than any other sheriff's race in the state and we raised it and campaign well people were like holy cow man You're running a

sheriff's race this is like a senate race I it was it was just I can't explain the provision of the Lord so that's how I I see him providing and I know okay I'm responding to the appropriate call often times if the provision stops well maybe God's not calling you to do it right it's the same thing he told the disciples so you're being you are being guided along the way it's never hit these little Milestones or Accomplishments or whatever whatever it may be that that align with what you think the goal is that's why

Proverbs says that a path is before before a man and the Lord directs his steps right it's each step Jesus says in his prayer he says give us this day our daily bread he doesn't say give us our weekly monthly or yearly bread we look at God in James chapter 4 I believe it is it says don't say we're going to go to this city and do trading and that and we're Going to make all this money and do he says because you do that in your own arrogance say if the Lord wills it this

is what we'll do um so it's always about God this is what we need he provides here okay God this is what we need for the next step and as long as the provision is there and you can keep stepping that's the Lord directing your steps but at any point in time time if those steps stop it doesn't mean that it's over there might be some turmoil And some friction uh but it means that we have to sit back and look okay God is this is this what you actually have um and then once you

reassess it God will give you that answer and it's different for each person God came to Saul who became Paul in the New Testament in a blinding light and Paul said who are you Lord he says I'm Jesus the one you're persecuting why do you kick against the goats Saul was killing killing Christians he's changed Nam of Paul and He goes and he talks uh go goes and and and spreads the gospel to the Gentiles um God came to uh who was it he came into the whisper after it was a whisper After the Storm

I believe it was Elijah that he came to or might have been Elisha uh just the smof calm whisper After the Storm he said I saw the tornado I saw the Whirlwind I saw all this and you weren't in it but you're in the whisper After the Storm it's the the call the the the the the the word from God is different for each individual so for Shawn Ryan it's going to look different than it looks for for Jared but you're going to know it and one thing I always have told my wife she goes

well jar you say you you know how do you know that this is the voice of God you know it the question that we have in our heart most of the time is are we disobedient to the call or are we obedient to the call because most of the time the call is not something that we Really want to do that's the hard part um now you just mentioned hey get a new car these are just the natural things in this life I don't think let me let me let me let me try to think

of another example okay yeah yeah let's say those are things of vanity so let's say man this is tough well they could be they they could be the things of vanity but it's not that having a new car is bad I don't think God cares whether you have a new car or not are you going to Glorify him in that new car and one thing that we know it says this in it might be Ecclesiastes um but it says Lord don't give me so much that I forget who you are uh and profane your name

and don't give me so little that I have to steal to provide for myself and my family and profane your name give me what I need right now most of the time when we have that that sexy car of the vanity things we forget God we don't rely on him Because we rely on these things that we that we have um and and that's almost a curse because it removes you from looking to the one who provided the car as opposed to looking to the car it talks about that in uh Isaiah it says that

the man he he puts wood in a fire to burn the fire Cooks meal over it and then he takes another piece of wood and he carves an image out of it he worships it and says you're my God that's what he's talking about all right that's what We do let's say you feel very compelled to help somebody maybe it's maybe it's a look a lot of people feel tugged or or pushed or moved to help somebody in need or maybe somebody that they think might be in need and so I'm sure there's a lot

of people out there that have been extremely generous and wanted to help maybe maybe a heroin addict or maybe a a trafficked woman or just anybody in need need and then you go down that road only To find out the entire thing was a [ __ ] scam mhm and so kind of what I'm asking is and that's happened that's happened to me that's happened I'm sure that's happened to just about everybody where you you know it it it it kicks up a lot of resentment and and it's like man i' I thought this was

what I was supposed to do mhm so kind of what I'm asking is is is how do you differentiate or do you I don't think you do um you you don't Differentiate because when you it's better to give than to receive so let's say it is a scam that's between them and God not between you and God if God called me to do this for a person if I felt urged or pulled or in my in my riches and wealth I give to somebody and I get scammed out of it that sucks and I want

to look at that and maybe I'm Wiser the next time getting going I think I said it earlier Proverbs 19:2 Zeal without knowledge cause you miss the Mark I say man I missed the mark on this one but now I've got a little bit of knowledge on what to look for um and then the next time I don't miss it but was I obedient to God you see the outcome of the thing is not so much the important thing that is on God it's the heart getting to the outcome that's that's the process so going

back to what you said earlier so it's really just every step of the way you're looking to to say God is this it God is this it That's it you're always open-handed asking God God is am I doing what I'm supposed to be doing and as long as he opens the doors as long as he's guiding you through it you will hear his voice the one caveat to that is you've got to be in his word you got to be spending time with him the only example that I can use really you know your wife

better than better than anybody right you and your wife know each other very well and you kind of know what she wants without Her saying what she wants a lot of times and that only gets better with time right right look at my my parents been married 50 years and it's hilarious seeing them because they literally they know each other that well it's unbelievable to see me and my wife 16 years I know what she wants without her having to say it a lot of times and I don't always give it to her right sometimes

and then sometimes she'll ask for things even though she doesn't want To ask for things I'm like hey help me out tell me what you need it's that same thing with God but you have to be in tune with God like you are where your wife and the only way you can be is to read his word and pray to him about his word and I Pro I can't even describe it he will guide you so if I'm saying so the run for Sheriff uh he put some people in my life that that spoke it

in into existence I sought Good Counsel like when I say spoken into existence That's a bad that's I shouldn't use that that's bad phraseology they just said hey have you considered this we could use you here uh no I haven't but I started considering it and praying about it the Lord opened one door um go to this threshold and say hey I'm looking at running for Sheriff what do y'all think these guys are praying and it just kept steamrolling to the point that wow we've got a campaign for Sheriff wow we got a heck of

a team wow we're going to Win this thing I mean that's that's what it was and um I lost by two points to the incumbent Democrat uh on Election Day and that was hard okay God what was all this for my wife was asking what's all this for and uh two months later all the people that support the campaign started supporting Covenant rescue group the nonprofit which is what brought me on full-time with Covenant rescue group and so now I know what that was for because It was a a local Grassroots effort wasn't tied to

you know packs or certain political things that did really well in the Republican party because I was run as a republican candidate um and made a lot of connections that actually put Covenant rescue group on the map as opposed to being a small hand of mouth organization put us on the map to the point that they had to bring me and a handful of other guys in fulltime to be able to effectively use the funds for The work it was being presented for and so the aim I had was Sheriff but that's not the aim

God had God had it to put Covenant rescue group on and God might have it for something else I don't know he might have that unsuccessful campaign uh for something else I was just the conduit it through which that was used to grow Covenant rescue group and so that's you'll always see the culmination um and It's I wouldn't get too wrapped around the axle about simple things you know should I buy this car should we buy this house bad examples yeah if if God's giving you the funds but even people out there will say that

me and my wife we pray about everything there's nothing wrong with praying about everything but if you got the money get it there's nothing wrong with it but if it starts to remove your heart from the god you worship if you start to worship it like The guy worships the idol the piece of wood that he cut into an idol that's where you have to say no I don't need this anymore um and that's kind of the purpose behind that that's why the scripture saying what so when you hear the call of God it's not

always a loud voice to some people it is it's not always a dream to some people it is uh it's not always the small calm voice at the back end of the storm but to some people it is interesting um it just Depends on how God's calling you it depends on what you need but the only way you know it's his voice is if you're in his word you've got to stay in the word of God so how did Covenant rescue group come up that was cuz you and your wife started that me and my

wife started in 2018 so I was doing the wildlife work at the time transition to the Tactical work uh with TSI you know when I had some contracts with the government coming in and uh we Were doing pretty good and so we would take our you know whatever profit we had at the end of the year and use it to go like support oou I'd go do operations with operation Underground Railroad guys went to Haiti with them some far-reaching Ministries did some stuff with them uh in uh South Sudan and so I mean we just

trying to support wherever we could another organization that's no longer around called orphan secure started Doing some stuff for them and just volunteering time you know and and trying to pay for things and then they would pay for some stuff everything was just kind of hodg Podge together just felt the call to human trafficking because I'd kind of seen it in law enforcement a little bit got involved there what was your first experience with human trafficking my first I would say probably a real human trafficking Haiti with operation Underground Railroad um was my first real

experience with human trafficking uh I saw it really what we target more as a law enforcement also running domestics where you see um you see some of the stuff people Liv in are serving warrants where you see some of the some of the areas people live in and you see these kids living in unbelievable squalor but their parents drug addicts or whatever would sell their kids they would you know physically and sexually abuse their kids They would I mean it's it's terrible so I mean that is human trafficking by law but in my mind I

didn't know that to be human trafficking until now understanding what it actually is um but they they would sell their kids I mean they would they would sell their kids to their buddy for sex for you know 200 bucks that that's the type of people we're we're talking about and you see that in law en for cops that are listening to this they will tell you Yeah they see it all the time all over the nation um how common is this oh you go it's super common kids selling themselves people selling themselves I mean and

a lot of it's drug and alcohol related I mean we know that we see that being being an issue but yeah it's very common it's very common um so that's where I really started seeing it I had a heart for it and I would say operation Underground Railroad in Haiti is where I first saw like holy crap this is legit These girls are being held against their will they're holding their passports they're from Dominican Republic and um you did some work with him so people were just giving us money like people that you know well

up supporting my campaign later they're like hey you're doing good work and they would you know from church or you know that I knew they're writing us like5 and $10,000 checks so you were sitting with me and my wife like took it to my CPA What do we do with this money I mean do I give them an invoice from the shooting Institute or how how does this work he's like no you need to start a you need to start a family Foundation a nonprofit or something so that's where we looked at a couple different

routes we started the non profit Covenant rescue group got our 501c3 status in 2019 and We're Off to the Races uh primarily looking at overseas stuff and then when Co why why It's not that there's anything wrong with that I don't want to come across like there's something wrong with that but one thing that does kind of uh Captivate my interest is you know I look I've looked at a lot of these nonprofits and I will I I do want to say too it it gets gets tricky in this probably it gets tricky in any

nonprofit space but there does seem to be a lot of I'm just going to say it [ __ ] Organizations out there that are are in the the combating human trafficking space that that don't really do anything and that seems to be kind of a mask why but why do why are so many of these nonprofits why are they so concentrated on Haiti Philippines Thailand Colombia Venezuela you know Sudan all these places but not here in the US CU it's easy to find there because uh prostitution remember when I said that All prostitution is not

human trafficking but human traffing is found in prostitution so they're able to go to places and a lot of times you get symbolism without substance um you get hey we're fighting human trafficking here and really it's prostitution you see that here law enforcement agencies do that hey human trafficking ring you know 72 human traffickers rolled up that's a prostitution sting and and it's not human trafficking as we know it and We kind of talked about that a little bit earlier kind of some of the issues that exist there uh when you go overseas it's you

have more leeway to work than you do here State side because most of what organizations do state side is illegal the Vigilante stuff all that is illegal um so that's why you see that and there there's a lot of Awareness stuff that people raise a lot of awareness about it I think a lot of people are aware about it we just don't Nobody knows exactly you know what it is do you have people being strong armed yes do you have kids being stolen off the streets yes the the the Immigrant situation really adds more of

that the illegal immigrant situation um puts more people at risk for that but other than that you're not at risk of your kids being snatched and thrown into a human trafficking Circle and never being found again it does happen but it's unbelievable rare but the statistic and These are from the doj the American Psychiatric association they kind of coales and have a few statistics I'll see if Stephen can send them over to you so you have them but um the uh the amount of kids I'm kind of dial it in here to kids specifically uh

the amount of kids if I remember right it's 37% of children who are um abused sexually abused or you know anything like that it is from uh somebody who is is known yeah yeah that they know that Person um or no no no 37% is family 37% is family uh 50% is somebody who knows them a coach a teacher anything like that 37% is a family member so an uncle a cousin a father a mother whoever and then and then that other 10 or 12% 13% whatever left is just a random person okay um I'll

send you the actual statistics I'm probably a little bit off on my numbers there um I'm just going off of memory but the that is very interesting because When it's family based or when it's you know a person of trust right somebody who knows who who knows the kid it looks different it's not it's reported differently maybe it's never reported how many of these things are never reported and then you see that lead into the prostitution the pornography all that it's it's man I'll tell you Jared ever since I started doing this show and just

I mean that's you know life stories is What I'm best at I think and and the amount of especially guys like you and I who've gone to you know Special Operations or or the agency or wherever I I'll bet it's over 50% of them that I've interviewed that have help that have dealt with some type of sexual trauma as a child abuse and I bet it's 50% that have come out and said that on on camera about their childhood and then there's also a pretty big portion of the interviews where they've They've told me like

hey I don't I don't I don't want to talk about this because it's been rectified I've forgiven my dad or my grandpa or whoever it was was and so they don't want to and these are men these are these are grown men uh who talk about this and I mean [ __ ] the episode we just did on Monday with uh Dale Stark he talks about he talks about it you know being growing up in California and getting on the skateboard scene and and Uh and there so many men have come on and women you

know as as you know me Park you know you brought that up but it's alarming how it's it seems to be more common than not it it is and that's what we've learned and and that percentage is higher and then what that drives people toward of what that does to them for the rest of their life you know you're looking at something that I mean how do you how do you reset From that my dad like again the little girl that we found her dad was 18 months old her dad's having sex with she's not

old enough to necessarily know but she knows I mean that's there's something that happens there for the rest of that person's life and can you can they work through it and deal with it yeah but it's it is more common than not and I don't know that I don't know that we're seeing any more we're seeing it more now than probably it used to be seen but I Think it's probably the same amount right yeah um you know it's the same problem different people but uh but looking at the kids it is people that know

them so that looks different so I would say here State side we really didn't start getting into that uh we focused on overseas initially like everybody does cuz it's it's easy it's easy to get and when Co happened you're talking about the call of the lord we as an organization I set the board down so We're not going to be able to go overseas like we were because of Co like literally shut that down like just close the doors on it however I'm still law enforcement we're tied to law enforcement me and Mike and some

of the team we're going to go out and see if we can't start doing some operations with local law enforcement agencies and uh that was a hard swing because there's a massive arrogance Within law enforcement they don't want to do that so how we Hooked it we offered free tactical training on the front end free pistol training the nonprofit covered through TSI my my company pistol CQB whatever it is we'll give you one day of free tactical training but here's a tradeoff we've got to be able to do uh our sex trafficking operations program training

with y'all and set up an op and make y'all run it and that's how we started doing that so that was the Lord how hard was that to sell not hard with the Tactical training um and then was about a year a year worth of that so you your model you gift a law enforcement agency a training a one-day training package and the only thing they have to do in return is is give you access to let us let us do the Train the child exploitation training yep their jurisdiction we do the child exploitation training

with them and we're not making arrest or prosecutions we bring the prosecutor's office in we Say guys this is how you set up these types of Ops we help them set up that op op and they run that Op with our oversight it's like a ground Branch type of model where you got where we what you were doing at vs that's exact is a combat combat advisor that's exactly right and so that's what we do that's what we still do uh [ __ ] genius man so you get in you make friends with them and

then you you teach them you take them on an OP you turn it over this is How you do it that's it and so one of the agencies we first started with we made 11 arrests with him initially when we were there no no no that's not true we made 19 arrests with this agency initially when we were there um them making it over two nights of operations we gave them the Tactical training and all that and uh they have done I want to say six operations on their own now maybe it's four this is

a couple years ago uh but they've arrested like 190 People doing these operations 190 yeah yeah just just under 200 well no but over all of the operations they've done over the past few years so this is one law enforcement agency one law enforcement agency Y close to Indianapolis um so with that being said uh they put it this way i' would love for them to be over 200 I know they're they're under 200 right um that's still a lot of people they've done four they've done five operations And they've made this many arrest uh

on people showing up to Target kids and they've honed it for them so we give them a hey this is your template and then they can hone it to match their prosecutorial jurisdiction to match their agency so they have a successful app renson and prosecution um and that's what we do as an organization we're not out there kicking doors and making arrests uh if we are doing that I'm doing that in my purview as a deputy Where I'm sworn in Alabama or as a a TFO with Homeland Security if they say hey we've got this

we want to do or any of our guys that run their cases that are sworn within our organization which are most of our guys so we might do that with our agency but Covenant rescue group is a funding platform to fund this training and then an operation for a long enforcement agency to show them this is how you can Target people who are targeting kids in your community and It happens in every Community we always get buddy M's a sheriff down in South Alabama said hey man you'll be lucky to get one down here but

you want to offer a SWAT training to us we'll do it and let you set it up but I don't think you're going to have any success we arrested six in two nights with them no kid he was blown away um they they had one hotel and it was like a little meth monkey hotels one of the ones a motel with the outside doors you know it Wasn't like it was a nice upscale place and we arrested six dudes showing up for children at that hotel you were the one that said that you didn't think

you were going to pick anybody up or the sheriff the sheriff told me that I'm friends with the sheriff cuz people don't believe this exists when they're a community everybody thinks oh yeah that's big that's a problem in Miami or that's a problem in LA with the the Diddy parties and all that stuff that's That's where everybody's mind goes but what they don't realize is what you just said 50% of the dudes that you had come here sit and talk it happens everywhere Across the Nation and the guys that you're rolling and the ladies that

you're rolling on these type of decoy operations they have real victims they have real victims but most of them don't break the law to get caught for anything you'll never find that kid who's a victim because what recourse they have This is my dad are you going to go to the cops and tell on my dad they don't again they're a kid this is a person to trust in their life it's a guardian over them right and so this Guardian is doing a terrible job and they're abusing this child they're exploiting this child they might

be selling the child a lot of it's child porn production yada y y but you have to find a way to catch them and this is how you catch them um and when you make that arrest you then Find the victims and I can't tell you how many phones we've gotten warrants and ripped the data off the phone and you've already had a podcast about that kind of how to find these guys the and all of the stuff that they're into and you will find victims every single time and our goal is to teach law

enforcement agencies how to Target these individuals who are targeting kids so they're showing up for a 14-year-old girl but in reality they're messing with their 9-year-old niece does that make sense and that's that's what we do and that's what it's morphed into going all the way back to let me break it down a little bit more so I want to backtrack yeah and talk about how you found those six individuals but before that what I want to ask is you know you're talking about finding victims and these victims don't want to come out is and

you're talking about little kids who consider the Abuser to be their a guard a trusted Guardian yeah and so what I want to kind of where I think you might be going with this is is you know people are probably wondering well why wouldn't why would they want to why wouldn't they want to Dime their dad out even if he is their dad because because he's being raped right but you know what I want to say is these kids don't understand Look this is this is normal everyday life to them they don't know any different

they don't know what it they don't know what life would be like to not be raped by their dad every day multiple times a day they have no idea what that's like that's just their reality am I correct yeah I mean no that's it yeah they they they they've accepted that this is just this is life they don't they don't have any other perspective other than just what They've lived from what I from what I've gathered you just hit the nail on the head and you've interviewed guys I mean how many guys have you interviewed

on here where this is them telling you what they've gone through and you said some of them don't want to say it probably the first time they've talked about it with anybody maybe outside of their wife maybe they talked about it with their wife maybe they didn't but I mean it's it's not something that people oh yeah We can just make it better by diamond them out and now I'm rescued no and then the other problem is is kids are are scared you know even if even if I'm being treated poorly by those who are

taking care of me where do I go when they go to jail let's say they do realize that that this is something wrong they get put in jail jail for it where do I go now when they go to the the state most State systems have a DHR or something like that and there's a Process you have to go through so it's not like a rescue or like you're all of a sudden United with a great family there is no good answer that's not like a fairy tale it's not Disney movie where it's all of

a sudden better at the end yeah every situation when it comes to this is bad and sometimes it's worse than the previous situation um a real world example a young lady I won't give her name she was 14 when she ran away from home uh 15 when she was picked up 16 when we found her locked in a cage in the backyard uh up in you know the northern us we'll we'll leave it with but she ran away from home from her mama and her her stepdaddy um because she was being sexually abused by her

stepdad if I'm I'm trying to remember this right sexually abused by her stepdaddy her mama was in and out of jail um in Texas she ran away ran back to Michigan and she lived with her dad And brother she wasn't being sexually abused by her dad and brother but they were physically abusing her putting her putting cigarettes out on her that sort of stuff physical abuse so she ran away from them and got picked up by some 23-year-old kid slinging dope on the street and so he picked her up now she's his living girlfriend he's

you know banging her all that stuff and uh then he would sell her to his buddies now she's being traffic she's underage and Being traffic but for her this was the better this was the better of the three lives she lived so you know it that that's the hard part and and then when we we found her she was locked in a cage in the backyard um would and talk and in anyway without going too much into that she's from her boyfriend yeah her boyfriend he would leave during the day he locked her in a

cage in the back yeah we had a little marijuana going on back there yeah yeah wait did you say what Kind of cage a cage like yeah like a chicken coue or something I mean she could stand up in it you know but it's like a we had a little marijuana Grove hidden back there in the fence in the back and she was locked back there um and now she was a runaway uh so technically she wasn't like and we had to tell some of our board members that like can we get videos of her

reuniting with the family and all that there is no reuniting with The family that's why she's here and that's where that percentage comes in that most people don't understand is it's it's stems from a family issue and then there's a lack of trust for law enforcement and it going all the way back to having to have somebody testify for a crime well most these most these people especially kids or young women they're scared to testify because well this guy's going to get out on bail he's going to get out and he's going to come Find

me and kill me even though that might not be true that's we get that all the time interviewing people you know I don't want to testify so it's a we have a good system but we have a system that sometimes is not good when it comes to dealing with with these things and it's very precarious but you hit the nail on the head uh with it's not as easy as oh yeah just turn if your dad's raping you just turn him in if your if your mom and dad's selling you If your uncle's selling you

to his buddies for sex just just turn them in it's not that easy man yeah I think a lot of these a lot of these kids they don't they don't even realize what happened to them is wrong until long after it's happened oh for sure and uh well you you know that better than anybody I mean you've interviewed you interview enough people to talk with them and see when hindsight's 2020 and They might be able to talk about what they realize kind like us with Afghanistan and Iraq and all this stuff be we ready to

fist fight somebody over talking bad about the us and what we did in Iraq and Afghanistan back when I was in the teams yeah but now I'm more apt to different perspective it's the same thing with with these people just on a much more um damaging level I guess yeah yeah yeah what happened to that girl in Michigan How's she doing H man I have no idea she so the state so Most states uh they if if they have a missing kid or something like that a runaway kid and that's how we found her they

would uh uh work in one of the Sheriff's Office up there the state like DHR Child Protection Services they'll they'll take over they'll find the next of Ken or they'll they'll hold them and it again sometimes that that creates more of a problem than just where they're where they're at even damn So I mean it's again there's no good answer so her I know that DHR or Child Protection Service whatever it's called in in in that state or in that county um I know that they dealt with that what the disposition of that was I

I don't know let's go back to the town where you the sheriff didn't think he was going to got six walk us through exactly that entire operation how did you how did you I mean we're in a we're in a is this a town is this like a small town oh yeah Small it's Henry County Alabama so it's a a count small County Alabama so it's a small town nobody thinks this it's happening there how do you like you come in you give a training course then what so um I known this Sheriff this guy

just got elected Sheriff I known him for a while and uh he uh a good guy um his name is Eric blankin ship uh but anyway so uh e says hey dude let's do the Tactical training but I don't think you're going get to hook anybody I said Well just let us teach you the process and we'll get what we get this is not a prostitution sting law enforcement commonly do does prostitution stings and the reason they do that is because prostitution cross the nation is a misdemeanor crime but that gives them their probable cause

for hopefully a felony drug arrest maybe finding a certain person's forbidden or a warrant so they're looking at a pretty shoddy pretty shaky misdemeanor case although They've got it to hopefully lead to a bigger case does that make sense that's why they do prostitution stings um and then sometimes they find human trafficking in prostitution um we don't like that we like building a felony case on the front end to hopefully find victims whether they're of age or underage of real human trafficking and so we show them how to do that and we say this is

not a prostitution sting we don't care about drugs we're not looking For drugs or murder or warrants or any of those things if we find them great we still move forward with them like we normally would would but this is our focus and it's solicitation of a minor with an electronic device and I'll give you uh this County in Alabama for the Alabama state law be 13861 122 13861 124 solicitation of a minor and travel to meet a minor for sexual purposes cuz they're going to show up to the location and then 13 a 6153

I believe it is which is human trafficking one attempt in the state of Alabama it meets state law for human trafficking one attempt um those are the three felony charges we're looking for the last one that we might get is 1386 1111 which is transmitting obscene material to a minor that's like if somebody sends a nude picture of themselves or send you know sending those bad images to a minor right and these guys reach out to us so We start off with a decoy based operation on a sex platform let's use it back page used

to be the big thing I'll just say back you remember when back page you ever heard of the FED shut it down but you can run ads on a bunch of different things I won't name the places that we run ads normally but you go to one of these you know sex sites like back page and you run an ad says you know hey it's a girl it's 19 years old and these sites by the way they allow us With our law enforcement email to run run these ads without getting kicked off because what we'll

do is we'll have somebody reach out hey are you available you know for a a QV for a quick visit and or how much for a quick visit and so we have our law enforcement investigator that we're teaching how to chat teaching the lingo and we're just kind of over their shoulder hey you need to say this or maybe we're on the phone with them showing them what to say and send it Back yeah are you cool with you know young chicks are going through the process because we have to establish an age we're already

on a sex site so we know what they're there for and we have to establish an age if we chat th people I like using the the thousand people as an example if we chat a th people 900 of them won't answer you back when you tell them that you're underage or you're young if you tell them you're 15 or 14 or 13 whatever age that the prosecutor Requires in the area we're in because it's different not just per state per county P per jurisdiction so it most of the time i' 900 of those thousand

people won't even respond or they'll tell you to pound sand they say you don't need to be doing this and they won't answer back 100 of those people will entertain it they'll entertain it so 10% will Converse back and forth entertain they might say you don't need to be doing this let me let's Talk let's me but they're still they're entertaining it 10 of those thousand will show up to the door will show up and buy again those are the ones we're looking for because now they've committed the overt act and now we've got a

solid airtight case that they can't wiggle out of they are going to get prosecuted so we have the apprehension when they show up and we have the prosecution we also do mobile things we do vehicle takedowns but They're still showing up to meet us in a vehicle um and that is how we target these specific individuals now when you target that specific individual our probable calls case is generally built off of messaging through a phone or whatever messaging platform so we have to tie those messages together that's easy we have that but when we do

that we get a warrant to rip uh the data off the phone and you're familiar with that with your work with the agency and all that Stuff so uh we we will rip the data off the phone via warrant sometimes via consent but very rarely do we get that most of the time it's a warrant based on our probable cause arrest and we rip the data on the phone that's where you find the victims you find other people they're messaging you find uh uh other kids that they you know either receive child porn you see

child porn distribution child porn production and distribution and you start finding other Victims and that's where you find individuals who are truly nefarious and then also so not just kids but also women we had a guy who was rolled he had a woman locked in a trailer that he was performing sex acts on she was an illegal immigrant and he would snatch her lock her up for three days do all kinds of stuff and release her and then it just kind of intermittent would do this um and she had no recourse she was afraid to

go to the police she was in Her 30s why was she afraid to go to the police well she thought she'd be deported right so uh that's real victims those are real trafficked people people who were suffering now she wasn't stolen and put in a circle and sold all over she would be released a couple days later go back to her family but this is what was happening to her cuz she had no recourse so you find victims in this now the rescue doesn't always look what we think it looks like you know some that

Woman was just like thank you so much I can breathe now and go back to my normal life without this guy doing it uh doing this stuff to me the other thing we see is a lot of illegal immigrants uh if we did we arrested seven last week with a couple agencies um and three of the seven were illegal immigrants so they'll be deported um we've seen that tick up even more and more the six that I was talking about Down in Henry County a couple years ago when the sheriff said you won't get anybody

two of those were illegal immigrants uh one we did a pretty extensive interview with I say we um the homeland security guy in charge that did an extensive interview with and one of the interesting things that the guy said he like hey I can show you exactly where I cross the border I cross with some really bad people like what do you mean really bad people and so he started he Said all men describing who they are I mean we have tariff cells in this country that are crossing the border so there's some of that

stuff that you're able to dig deeper into and that then the FBI or Homeland Security whoever will get a hold of and be able to run that in a little bit deeper so these operations are kind of a um they span out into multiple things where it might be child exploitation it might be prostitution based human Trafficking it might be uh it might go to labor trafficking it might go to ter ter cell that is moving people across the border or a Terrace cell that got moved across the border so it might just be strict

illegal immigration and we now can Deport somebody so it kind of flowers off into a bunch of different pedal child porn production and distribution uh and so that's why we like run these operations because it generally speaking when they see it They're easy to do and it gives a law enforcement off or the law enforcement agency the most bang for their Buck they're at the local level the feds then have the ability to adopt that case and whatever state you work in the US attorney's office wants to adopt a solid state case so if you

have a solid state case they'll look at it and say do we have a federal Nexus here we have a federal Nexus with this one because we've got child porn production and Distribution with this guy and his 18-month-old daughter and then the feds will step in and they'll be able to LY uh some heavy s uh some heavy charges prosecution and sentencing on that end to coincide with what this guy's already getting at the state level because every state doesn't have that same uh heavy lever to pull when when it comes to maybe child porn

distribution so the reason I say that that's how everything works together yeah it's not always Perfect but the goal is to just Target these individuals who are targeting um targeting kids and uh generally speaking when you find that you find they they have other victims other people that targetting damn so just webs and webs and webs yep never ending web is what it feels like a lot of times damn damn what are what are some of the alties you see uh in the victims women all women I would say that the biggest demographic that's targeted

Is women um and then if if it's men if it it's never grown men are targeted boys are targeted but women more so than anything doj and F and uh American Psychiatric association statistic on this end is for every uh every male female encounter opposite sex encounter primarily male to female um there are 50 uh victims before the perpetrators prosecuted 50 50 victims yeah that's the statistic I think they said plus or Minus 10% in their study and this study is like 15 years old um for uh every same sex or primarily male to male

right uh it's 150 victims plus orus 10% before the perpetrator's prosecuted yet so you might get an apprehension you might actually make an arrest but if you don't have a prosecution you've done nothing it's symbolism without substance and that's what they're saying this guy might have been arrested for it but the 50 victims come before prosecution the 150 victims come before prosecution not before arrest they will still have victims even after they're arrested [ __ ] damn man damn is there more more adult women or more more minors uh well I would tell you on

these style of operations the only way we get the felony charges on the front end which is what we want uh is to build a case based on miners uh with that being said man it's probably on the victim Side I would have to talk to our victim Advocate about this because she tracks with this probably more than than I do but I would say it's pretty 70ish per minor so it's heavy minor but I mean you still got 30% 70% minor probably when you see victims yeah i' would say the vast majority are miners

again because they they're not going to talk a grown woman's more apt and more liable to say something or talk than a kid Is but a kid generally is not going to say anything especially if they trust this person so and we see it with coaches and we say coaches pastors doctors um you know uh it doesn't matter any any out of the the aisle Republican Democrat you know left right doesn't really matter just it's it is it is sin it is unbelievable wickedness and they are targeting the weakest in society the most prolific I

guess would be the word I forget his name but U one of the most prolific child uh predators in the US I think he was out of Indiana they asked him they said what do you look at what like when you target a kid is there a demographic is there you know boy or girl and I think he concentrated more on boys I think he primarily a white demographic because where he was at in Indiana but he didn't seem to he said that that really wasn't what he looked at he Looked at two things he

one does this kid have a father where was the father at in this kid's life and was the father a threat so two things he looked at one does this kid have a dad that's around two is the dad a threat that blew my mind I'll send you the video link or I'll get Steven to send it over um so you can see it was the father a threat and that's like holy crap be a threat for your kids sake now everybody talks about the mama bear Thing hey don't go and mamas will protect their

babies but this is what he said they said what about a single I sing I said no father what about moms he said no he said I would befriend the mother and he would be that guy who is Hey look it's you know uh you're doing great and he said I just really try to be involved in their life if she had a kid I wanted to Target and then once I built that rapport with M hey look go out go to dinner go spend some time work I'll stay with kids tonight and that's how

we would groom kids wow um so it it was truly a father that that he would that he would try to that he would look at that would Ward him off for lack of better word now imagine if that father that's supposed to be warding people off is the one who's actually doing this to their kid how many of these victims are molested or raped or exploited by by how do I say this the the What do you call them the abuser yeah the perpetrator the abuser perator how many of these people are would you

consider you know at at first glance you'd mentioned doctors pastors coaches teachers how many of these how many of these perpetrators are what most people would consider upstanding citizens I would say about 80% of them are you serious like they're not we're not that's the whole reason they don't get caught and they're not Targeted is because you're generally speaking not going to catch them with doing doing something with drugs or getting rolled for drugs now you might get the guy who shows up to pay with drugs you will get those people in that but generally

speaking this is the only thing they're doing that's outside the law and nothing within law enforcement is targeting these specific people unless of course you get a tip or unless of course they find them on some Digital platform you know going after kids which is that's hard to do and it's few and far between the these are individuals who are not generally speaking breaking law we will get gang members showing up looking to to steal a girl and take back and that's that's a process I'm not saying we don't get that but I would say

about 80% um yeah about 80% are are are just regular everyday folks that you would Never never guess uh we are seeing that shift and change because of the illegal immigration thing right so we don't know much about these illegal immigrants we don't know their background where they come from uh we know they're here working you know they might be here working but we don't have a lot of information on that individual but the ones we do have information on about 80% are regular folks what about some of these Das that don't prosecute criminals I

mean are are are you guys running into problems where you put in all this work and then you have like a Soros funded da that's not going to do anything to these yeah no so for us because we work closely with the prosecutor's office most of the time uh we bring the prosecutor's office in because again we need an apprehension and a prosecution we haven't had too many issues we've had some issues but it's uh most of the issues we see exist wind Up existing between the current law enforcement agency that we're working with and

the prosecutor that we're working they having they're they having a rub or a riff for whatever reason um it's never because they don't want to prosecute it that's one thing I have seen is that across the aisle for the most part Republic Democrat whatever it is when you are actively going after those individuals who are targeting kids um most Everybody everybody that we've worked with ha has been all for it uh if we have an issue a lot of times it's been more so on the law enforcement agency side not always but on the law

enforcement agency side over the prosecution side um and again there's an there's an egocentric thing there for most law enforcement agencies they want to we're doing this they say oh yeah yeah we're doing this we're doing it no you're not we know you're not because we Literally go all over the nation and we see people tell us all the time hey we're doing this and we show them what we're doing they're like holy crap we're not doing that at all so that's probably where we run more into an issue but once we make the case

and we get a we get an arrest and a prosecution that it pretty much goes straightforward pretty easy defense attorneys will molest a case now defense attorneys will they will really negatively impact A case and try get anything thrown out for any reason whatsoever now I is some I do struggle with the the profession of attorneys you know I mean it's uh I struggle with that defense attorneys will grab anybody they'll charge these guys whatever they're charging them make a lot of money and they will try to poke holes in a case and our goal

as an organization is to train the law enforcement agency and the the apprehension side that the cops or the Sheriff deputies whatever and the prosecution side the District Attorney's Office hey this is how you make a rock solid case so it doesn't matter how many rocks they throw at it they're never going to they're never going to break the glass they never going to poke a hole in it you've got a solid case do you see more success when the federal government steps in or local no local uh so it's uh so think of it

this way it's a Uh the federal government a government period is not good at much of anything right we know that because we work for the government that being said they do serve serve a purpose and they they serve the purpose of hopefully on the criminal side protecting victims and putting away the criminal without reigning on our god-given rights that come through ultimately the Bill of Rights I'm we'll make this succinct in just a second the federal government is A macro sort of thing then you have a state government which is kind of a 30,000

foot view a little bit smaller than the the federal government but now it's a little bit smaller and then the federal government can't do what the state laws can do right so they have to have they is very Broad and it's very difficult on how broad it is uh the state is now still pretty broad but we're getting a little more Pinpointed and focused for that specific targeted shot but the local agency that local prosecutor's office that local uh municipality or Sheriff's Office they're the ones that know the nuances of their community so that not

only when we make this arrest we get this individual showing up to buy a kid the prosecution knows what we need to say in the chat what what the age of the victim needs to be all this stuff to success uccess F prosecute the case I'll give you a real World example real quick but I won't name the locations we had we had a location or two separate locations two hours apart from each other the same state so the same state law governs these two locations One location the prosecutor says I have an older black

female demographic that I'm going to get for a jury pool he said even though these women vote Democrat they are unbelievably conservative the older black female demographic and they will Not they do not care if you if we chat as a 15-year-old girl even if even though that makes state law right if we chat as a 15-year-old girl it's going to be they're not going to they're going to have a hung jury they're not going to um true bill this thing they're not going to all be unanimous on yet this guy committ or this this

crime was committed we need to move on uh we're going to have to at least be 14year old okay so we changed how we chat even though we Met state law at 15 because of the jury pull that this prosecutor city was going to have we had to change it he said now if you chat as a boy he could be 22 years old well that's not within state law to do it but he say he can be 22 years old and because it's a more conservative group of women that older black female demographic they're

going to throw this guy under the jail because it was uh outside the realm of what they agreed with morally they're Christian Women churchgoers the homosexuality was the the unforgivable sin to them most of them were married when they were 15 so they were not going to roll a guy for talking to you know trying to have sex with a 15-year-old girl so does that make so we see that two hours away I'm talking this is and I love this example because it's a real example that's that's the most important that I had to deal

with at the prosecutor's office two hours away the the jury pool was a Predominantly uh white female jury pool U Middle AG like 40s to 50s age range female that was the predominant jury pool so they look at that and if you chatted as a 18-year-old girl oh throw that guy under the jail if he's showing it by her because it's that me too movement that you know they're more liberal they're more left leaning they're every female is a victim sort of idea right this guy showing up by a female throw him under the Jail

but if it was a guy showing up for a 15-year-old boy they still might say yeah he showing up for a kid but they were more sympathetic to the homosexual man because they were because there were more left leaning no [ __ ] so just because we match state law does it mean that we can get something because we got a prosecute this person's going to go before jury of their peers right so when I get supended to to testify in uh grand jury when I go to grand jury in states That have that I

have to tell them what we're doing well that jury has to say yeah we've this is this is uh this guy this these guy committed a crime here we've got to we got to be able to put them away and you've got to have uh 100% on that you can't you can't be hung so it's not just meeting the law it's not just just hey we got the law it is do we have a case that's going to stand up in front of a jury um and that's our Constitution which is great we're just Building

these cases so there's never a victim because we've seen that with real victims of human trafficking they don't want to go before and they don't want to testify before a jury or stand in front of their accuser so do you get all these statistics and demographics of the jury and and meute with the da before you you do the operation yeah because the exactly what you're looking for what you have to find to get a successful prosecution before you ever set up camp Like 6 months ahead of time no [ __ ] yeah we we're

booked out through I think August of next year with agency all over the nation that reach out and we will sit down and have a meet our uh executive director Mike reeles he's been in the law enforcement 30 years he'll meet with him and then I'll sit down with him and we will Zoom calls or if they're local you know near us we'll drive to them but yeah everything you just said we sit down and we hash out Look guys this this is what we do this is what we're looking for uh we need your

guidance on what works here a lot of times we'll study the state law and we can't figure out what state law we want to go with so we'll ask prosecutor hey which which one of these charges you want to go with and he'll say uh neither of those this is actually the state law we want to use and so that's just like oh okay so we have to spend a lot of there's a lot of prep work to be able to Do this isn't something you just you know go out and swing for the fences

on it is a it's a process because you've got to work with that local prosecutor and that local agency for a successful uh probable cause felony arrest apprehension and then the prosecut very calculated yeah very calcul very impressive so it's it everybody will say oh we we want to be targeted in law enforcement everything law enforcement does like let's say the prostitution Things it's a buckshot approach we send some rounds out there and hope we catch a felon in the process maybe we get human trafficking this is not that this is very sniper in approach

this is very this is the target I'm shooting at if I get of these other things over here are great but I am going after this specific individual right here right here I'm going after the 1% remember when I said the 10 of the Thousand that actually show up I'm going after the 1% who are Showing up to buy a kid because I know that that 1% they're the ones who are slipping away all the time they're that buck who's slipping for the guys at Hunt they're that buck who's been slipping around and smart and

been watching and able to slip around the edges of the field with without ever getting busted that's the ones we're going after and that's what we teach them to do so it's very targeted very how do you how do you find what department you're going to Work with cuz you do this all over the country correct we do yes sir uh Mo it used to be it used to be um they would reach out or I say they would we would reach out to them like if we had a relationship through somebody and offer the

Tactical training and they like yeah we'll do this you give us tactical training for free now we don't even offer the Tactical training anymore unless they specifically request it because uh they're reaching out to us Hey we've heard about your sex traing operation program will you come in and teach us we want to do no kid oh yeah they're reaching out to us and that's uh that's kind of where we're at it's most of it's Word of Mouth um but it it doesn't cost the agency anything that's why we raise money that's why we're nonprofit

everything is paid for so the only thing it costs the agency is their Manpower uh and their their sometimes overtime hours because they're they're Working you know training and then two nights of operations wow how many how many many inquiries are you getting let's say a month man that's a I would say a lot that would be a question to ask Josh or Mike but they um they get a lot we get a lot of inquiries of just hey can y'all come here and do this or that and 100 not a 100 I would say

probably somewhere around somewhere between 20 to 30 because we can only do one a month we can only do so it's Impossible to service them all yeah so think of it this way there's 3100 Sheriff offices in the nation plus or minus let me use the Sheriff's Office an example uh we will never we're doing one a month based on the funding that we have what we bring in we do one of these a month we will never be able to hit all those Sheriff's offices uh but it would be nice to hit um the

majority of them because again if you look at your return on investment we're trying to work Ourselves out of a job because if I can teach this agency if our team can go in and teach this agency what to do we don't want to go back to that agency we're not wanting to return we have sometimes they'll say hey do you mind coming back and auditing what we're doing to see if we're doing it appropriately we'll go back and give them some pointers but our goal is to fire that one shot have some success and

go to the next agency fire that one shot Have some success with him um and and then let them hone it and continue to do this on their own and it's not something they need to do every day or every month you know they overfish that hole for lack of better word right they need to uh you know you do it twice a year do it once a quarter do it once a year you know it does whatever that leadership wants to do there but it gives them something they can do that is impacting the

community around them In a positive way so going back to that micro as opposed to macro they're trying to impact their community in a positive way and the closest form of the government to the people was the most effective form of government right that's John lock the second trse of government right um and so that's what this is the closest form of government is going to impact that Community the best and that's where we really like to focus and then the feds Can get involved on the top end and if there's something they can adopt

and take over and take federally great we have those connections to help make that that happen how many people on are on your team uh I would say we have a lot of subcontractors that we rotate in every month per operation uh we probably have about 50 subcontracts we rotate through GRS guys marso guys uh seals uh St guys so all from the Special Operation Community a lot of them are Sworn in other locations a lot of them are Law Enforcement Officers somewhere else we have some federal law enforcement agencies federal law enforcement agents and

state law enforcement agents uh both retired and active that rotate in and work with us uh so about 50 subcontractors and then full-time on our team we've got I think we have well uh Josh just left to go back to full-time law enforcement so we have six Full-time uh people on our team and we have one two three part-time people so we have about we have n basically nine employees uh total to include myself damn so we're run we run pretty thin yeah um but it takes us full-time people to set up and prep these

operations and then we rotate in the contractors um for whatever agency we're working with and whoever's available we rotate them in each month and generally it takes about 20ish of our people 15 to 25 people to Pull off pull off an operation depending on how many people the agency we're working with has man I'm going to try to get you guys up here in Williamson County come on man I'm serious yeah put us in touch with them we'll come up and make it happen I definitely will yeah and and and you'll especially being as close

you are to Nashville you'll pull you'll pull quite a few out of Nashville that's one thing that people don't realize that if you're within an hour of A large city you'll pull people from that large city showing up to Target your kids and that's what we're trying to do trying to you know even act as a deterrent they've already caught a ton of people here they caugh a they caught a soccer coach that was drugging little boys and doing that they caught a priest they so you've already experienced it you've seen it you know they

it's it's it's it's rampant now one thing to say on catching these guys when you got The the Vigilante groups on you know YouTube and all that and they they'll talk somebody in the MMA guys they'll beat them up they'll make them drink their own piss all that stuff one of the things that we've seen is a lot of times and we see this a lot with people we we go after and it's this is hard because you want to deal with it appropriately but it's not criminal in nature uh a lot of times you

have like autistic kids that that are on so that there's Something wrong here so now you have something we got to deal with because I don't care what you have I don't care what your mental disability is whatever you better not be targeting my kids does that make sense I mean because that's going to negatively impact their life we've got to deal with it but we don't deal with it it's not criminal in nature we don't beat them up we don't make them drink their we don't put them in jail um and working at the

local level the micro Level we generally see that works better as opposed to just this random blanket hey we're chatting these people in a lot of times they're entrapping them and then they're showing up and beating them up and this person is a guy with a mental disability the law enforcement agency that's local generally has probably dealt with him before and they can say oh hang on second who are we looking at cuz we normally know who's showing up before they get there through All of the stuff we can run and they're sitting here looking

at oh this guy right here yeah look uh we need to figure this out we deal with him all the time he's got this mental disability uh let's do it and so now we can get the family involved deal with this appropriately because it's not criminal in nature but it's a problem and it's a problem that has to be dealt with that's the other good part to this as well we Can we can deal with those things more effectively at the local level than you can at a level like at a state or a federal

or just an organization in a random location chatting people in uh because they don't they don't know the nuances of that Community yeah yeah makes sense makes sense well Jared I think we're we're kind of wrapping up the interview and um so but one thing I want to hit before what do you need to scale out what do you need To do two of these three of these 10 of these a month uh well it's it's basically based on people so our burn rate a month for our organization with full-time people is basically about $30,000

to pay salaries interest just the stuff to run uh to do an operation forget the burn rate side of it it's about $50,000 per op so like local in the Southeast it might be 35 Grand we went all the way up to New Mexico last year it was like 84 Grand so The average to pull one of these trainings and Ops off is about $50,000 that's pay travel all of that stuff so to scale you know if we want to do two a month we need to be able to bring in $100,000 a month now

uh this is what I generally say to people if you want to support an organization you don't have to be the person that can write a a $225,000 check a $100,000 check a million doll check if you if you can do that and you want to do that Great hey we would love to have that support but we really operate on people who have a heart to do the right thing and they say you know what I can give up my Starbucks two weeks out of the month and and and write a check for $20

a month that is if if we look at where most of our funding comes from it comes from hundreds if not thousand thousands of people all across the nation uh who write checks for $20 a month or sign up for a direct deposit for $20 a month Whatever it is or $100 a month and they send that every month that that's really what we operate on it's truly a Grassroots uh effort we do have big donors but most people can't be big donors praise God Trump just won you know because in in kamala's you know

country we we probably wouldn't be able to donate anything we'd all be sucking win but um with that being said we do uh we do operate on a Grassroots you know effort so don't I I don't even think About the cost of the operation um what is uh what's some stuff that parents can do you know to to educate their kids and just to to to make a safer environment to keep that's keep from getting trafficked that's great so this this this thing right here this phone okay we've all got them our kids got them

um my kids are too young to have them yet uh when you give your kid a phone I literally had a buddy call me yesterday asking about this had an App that somebody back in and started targeting his daughter out of his daughter's 14 um you give somebody a phone you give them access to the world and the world access to them was it's 3G 5G internet if it has those capabilities somebody can go after your kid we hav seen it on the game and head sets youve seen on this I think a game called

number blocks maybe is was a recent one we've seen uh we've seen these guys Target kids talking through the headsets To them playing fortnite these individuals are out there they might not be looking to steal your kid physically you know you know sexually abuse them and all that they might be but um they might be looking to still their digital footprint they might be looking to extort them we call it sex extortion maybe they send a picture especially young girls will send a picture and they'll hold over their head hey send us money or we're

going to plaster this o Over everything and so it's a it's a scam right uh so they're stealing their digital fingerprint or their digital footprint they're getting into your family's life that's generally what we see with that however sometimes they are trying to steal your kid but they don't have to show up in a free candy van through these right here they'll steal your kids heart and mind and they'll talk your kid right out of your house so monitoring those phones monitoring those Social media uh um accounts and platforms staying involved in what your kids

doing there I think that's the most important thing you can do and the best way that you can protect your your family uh don't worry so much about what you might see out out and about with other people if you see something say something that's what they always used to say the problem is is I don't know the nuances there but what I do know is with my kids I've got to be very Vigilant I've got to be a threat going back to that guy I was talking about um I've got to be a threat

so nobody's going to go after my kids monitor what they're doing on that phone monitor what they're doing on their social media platforms how' you love man well Jared is there is there anything that I'm missing that you want to talk about man I appreciate you having me here I think we've talked long enough and hopefully it's beneficial for everybody and your Listeners thanks for having me it's been very beneficial for me man and and uh man I just uh what a great model that you've developed and and sounds to be extremely effective and uh

man it's just it's been an honor to to get to know you today and and uh I can't wait to get down there and go on an OP with you and said I hope you get I hope I get you up here to Williamson County cuz uh you know I got kids here absolutely um God bless you brother and uh all your Links and stuff will be down below so anybody that wants to donate get in touch with you uh I'll be donating no thank you yeah man it's been an honor thank pleasure man thank

you absolutely thanks brother God bless [Music] no matter where you're watching sha Ryan Show from if you get anything out of this please like comment subscribe and most importantly share this everywhere you possibly can and if you're feeling Extra generous please leave us review on Apple and Spotify podcasts