every single person that's ever touched that book and written a different version has changed it in one way shape or form accidentally so what are you talking about you don't know what you're talking about I do know what I no you don't you were just saying to me that the reason that I'm a Christian is cu I was born in a Christian home is that because you've been doing drugs Cliff debates a Buddhist who challenges the reliability of the Bible arguing that it's been changed and altered throughout history together they also debate whether Christianity is
just a copycat of ancient religions like those in Egypt what do you think is the Bible trustworthy share your thoughts in the comments credit to give me an answer now let's dive in it's a load of crap man there's no way there's no way every single person that's ever touched that book and written a different version has changed it in one way shape or form accidentally not on purpose but accidentally and by accidents we have changed the way that we believe and maybe it's not even the same beliefs than when we believe in the first
place maybe the first Christians didn't even believe the same thing we do but I know that's probably true that they do believe the same cuz that probably wasn't messed up that much but everything else you know you got a lot of words in there that's that's like what like 3,000 Pages 3,000 of pages of thousands of words words can change words can change ideas I say even if the idea stays the but you just shank the idea pretty what's your real point that you're trying to make because certainly as a university student you're paying a
lot of money to read books I don't read books I'm a computer SS meure so I type on computers all day F do you read stuff off the computer cuz I read on a computer man yeah you read on a computer okay so do you trust what you read no not at all not at all not at all if you don't trust you read why are you wasting your time here at this University why am I wasting my time here maybe because after I've read a couple things and I've tested it myself maybe I will
believe that that will be true you know what I'm saying that's what Sid gatana says he says test something and make sure you know goes along with your faith before you do something you know why do you darthur Kama buan I'm a Buddhist did you ever meet sarth at no but I've tested his things and made it it's been beneficial in my life how do you know he lived how do I know that he lived yeah I don't know that he lived thank you how do you know that Abraham Lincoln was assassinated did you ever
mean Abraham Lincoln no did you watch him getting shot to death how do you know Washington was the first president of United States how do you know that's just not just a conspiracy it might be it might be you never know yeah exactly how do you know that the taste buds on your tongue are telling you the truth when you drink sour milk your nose how do you know that your eyesight is telling you the truth about what's out there it doesn't it doesn't so you go walking through the pillar no but sometimes I don't
see the same things that I think I'm seeing yeah is that cuz you've been doing drugs no drugs sir baloney you know very well you're not going to go out and play an interstate in the traff yeah you're right cuz your eyesight tells you there's some cars whz in by at 65 mph and if I step in front of that moving car I'm going to be a pancake yeah you trust your eyes there's Illusions yeah there are Illusions so how do you tell the difference between reality and illusion uh you can you can look into
things and see how they are good you look for evidence you look into things and you look for evidence yep how do you know that I'm just a bad dream you're having cuz I know that this is real I can check my dream okay how do you check your dream well if You' ever loose a dream before you know if you look at an object every day you know while you're awake I guess you could say eventually you're going to start looking for that object in your dreams and if you look at it two times
it may not be the same that's when you know you're not dreaming all right well that's when you know you are dreaming okay do you think that black Americans were enslaved here in the United States 150 years ago uh yes I do did you ever see that happen no but I know that this happened in many societies before and I know that slavery was something pretty common well then how do you not how do you know it's not just a myth that certain uh people constructed to your heartstrings I yo man like my grandpa lives
in Georgia he has like a farm that has like slave Quarters on it still I know for a fact how do you know those were slave quarters uh cuz there's pictures of my family going back Generations living there your your gener your family was slaves I I I don't believe in slavery at all no that's what you I don't like that you're bringing this conversation in here oh I love it I absolutely love it because you see sir you're epistemological iism you're trying to stand out here and say we really can't know anything is really
scary it's a basis for thinking you know the Jews just made up the Holocaust the Holocaust never occurred it's just a Jewish plot burn Gentile sympathy and guess what you African-Americans African-Americans were never enslaved that's just a a you know a lie because all of history is a fantasy man it's all just people gaming this stuff up no sir God has given you a rational mind and you better learn to use that rational mind and the fact is the Jews were slaughtered at the count osit and African-Americans were enslaved in the United States and we
better do everything within our power to make sure it doesn't happen again and to try and act like history is just a bunch of crap is really scary really really scary for a rational person to arrive at that point now Jesus Christ was an historical person so was Muhammad and so was sadar gatama Buddha the overwhelming historical evidences those dudes really lived the Avatar of Hinduism never live it doesn't matter for Hindu because a Hindu is not claiming that their religion is based on God stepping into human history but what you've got to do is
you've got to start to think to the point where you are able to distinguish between sidarthur Gama Buddha Jesus Christ and the Avatar of Hinduism because they are different and the law of non-contradiction Sir holds true a and non-a cannot both be true at the same time in the same way because they contradict each other and I can promise you sir if you'll study Egyptian religion there's no way you can conclude honestly that Jesus Christ is just a construct in first century Palestine of some people who had studied Egyptian religion it's there is so many
violent contradictions between Egyptian religion in mythology and Jesus Christ as an historical person no comparison be here Wednesday you better be a list of eight different religions that are exactly the same as Christianity love to see him one day later the Christianity religion is just all Egyptian religion I mean the same the same concepts are there I mean the son god Horus was born of a virgin he lived at the age of 12 he started his child Ministry he was baptized at the age of 30 and uh he was resurrected after 3 days so I
mean it to me I mean that's like copycat I don't know I don't know how that works really yeah sir if you study Egyptian religion oh yeah there's only only one example of a resurrected God that was Horus Osiris Horus also was resurrected Osiris horse most definitely resurrected well they are fine the horse the Horus you're talking about is Osiris it's another name for Osiris okay there only one okay that predates Jesus yeah fine we'll just read it but what about the Persian God the Persian God was also resurrected after three days too no sir
yeah uhuh that was after after Christ so if there was copycatting going on it was copying Christianity then how I'm I'm pretty positive that was before Christ he was pers blasted before Christianity was accept no sir only Osiris who supposedly died and then rose from the dead but what's fascinating is to study his death how did he die his brother cut him up into 14 pieces and then his sister Isis finds 13 of the 14 pieces puts the 13 pieces back together and then Osiris rules in the Shady underworld so you've got a guy missing
one part who's alive in an ethereal type of Underworld that is radically different from the historical space-time resurrection of Jesus Christ no comparison historically if you were born in India and you were raised as a Hindu you would obviously think that your religion is Right correct you think that Hinduism is the religion of your like that's the right religion and you think Christianity is a myth and you say that he's a mythical person I'm thinking without bias and saying maybe both of them are tree know but like you've missed my whole point is I'm trying
to I am kind of disprove both but that is you you missed my whole point when you study the vadas and upanishads of Hinduism their literary style sir is mythology they're not making historical claims but when you study Mohammad obviously you're studying an historical claim Muhammad was a real space-time person but the Avatar you you don't think that the avatars of Hinduism were historical people do you it's not even a claim allegory it's just to make you you think did you you think Muhammad was an allegory no he was an historical person he lived Mecca
Medina Muhammad is not an allegory Muhammad is not a myth he really lived died and did a lot between his birth and his death a lot and influence a lot of people he was alive a living being the Avatar of Hinduism sir the claim is not that these are historical people the one I was talking about yes you were you were talking about Hinduism I know because I made a point saying that if you were born of the Hindu religion you were forced into believing that you would obviously think that's your religion you know what
I'm saying like if you're born as a Christian as we are in America most people are and you have to be raise a Christian family life that means that you're going to be a Christian you're going to think all of religions are myths so that's therefore you're that's what I'm trying to say sir I do not believe that Muhammad is a myth I just told you I'm a follow of Christ I study history and I know that Muhammad is a real historical person sure it's really helpful to think you got to keep thinking though Mohammad
was an historical person Jesus was an historical person sedara katama Buddha was an historical person the evocar of Hinduism are not historical individuals if you were born in Pakistan and you believe that in the Muslim faith and that you were a Muslim all your entire life you would think that Christianity is a myth right how do you know that how do you know if I had been born in Pakistan what I would believe how do you know that because you're a Christian here and you were born in America I'm guessing right and you you probably
were raised by a Christian family and if you were raised by your Christian family that means that your entire life you would have thought Christianity before anything else your parents probably told you Jesus Christ is the Lord and Savior you know and if you automatically think that when you're born you believe that when you're born I mean like how can you get out of that statement you had to obviously dis You' have to in your mind say that God isn't real so you can think about something else first it doesn't make sense so I've been
speaking for 30 years American University campuses I can promise you the vast majority of American University students who were raised in Christian homes are not Christians today yeah okay so what are you talking about you don't know what you're talking about I do know what I'm no you don't you were just saying to me that the reason that I'm a Christian is because I was born in a Christian Home sure the majority of American University students who were born into Christian homes are not Christian I I know but that's do that blow apart your whole
thesis it doesn't blow apart my thesis because now explain what your thesis really was ization about all college students being atheist I kind of making a generalization because I mean I am saying most people in United States if you look at the CES are Christian that would lead to me believing that my my statement would actually be somewhat factu because we are forced to believe Christianity in a way all right did your mom and dad teach you the 2 plus 2 equals 4 yes does that mean it's wrong because your mom and dad taught you
that no that's like good which means that the origin of your belief system of what you believe doesn't determine whether it's right or wrong instead the logic the reason determines whether it's right or wrong just cuz Mom and Dad told me that 2 plus 2 equals 4 doesn't mean it's wrong do you really believe all that mommy and daddy taught you is true no good how do you determine what's true and what's false I've looked into things good you've looked into things what does that mean I've studied things and made myself more intelligent human being
good you've looked for evidence right and you've asked yourself what's the evidence this is true what's the evidence that this is false yeah so what's the evidence that Jesus is false what's the evidence that Jesus is false well I mean if you think about it we say that Jesus Christ is the Son and the light of the world right well all Pagan religions previous to this have you know been about the same thing I mean if you think about uh you got the Zodiac which is 12 different things and you know Jesus is followed by
12 different disciples and then most relig before then had also 12 disciples or 12 people that followed because that was the 12 constellations that follows the sun and the sun rising again that's talking about how on the the 22nd the 23rd and the 24th the sun stops moving in the sky and it stays in the same spot and then it rises again on the 25th causing it to come back over the sky in the you know the equinoxes of the year and then the reason why we celebrate Easter up you know the sun coming again
is because that's when everything starts coming life again you know we've gotten out of that way if you look at the if you look at Egyptian mythology and I'm sorry to bring this back but they had the same exact holidays as we do they had a Christmas they had an Easter and you know it's just it's hard to say that you can believe in Christianity when there's so many things taken from all sorts of other different religions and then automatically you say that the devil put those religions there for us to you know be tested
can I say that I'm not saying you but I mean I've had that argument come against me before and that argument to me is just because how can you say that how can you say that the devil put that religion there you know what I'm saying yeah like that that just doesn't make sense to me it's something that's already been there before I agree with you no problem all right sir Hinduism teaches that there are millions of gods de Judaism Islam and Christianity teach that there's one God yeah do you see a contradiction between those
two the Creator in Hinduism is above the gods so if we look at it it's kind of like angels as the celestial force are the same as the multiple gods in Hinduism and the Creator is above the Angels the way of Creator is above the gods of Hindu fine do you know what Muhammad would have said to you if You' gone up to him and said there are thousands of gods I don't think there are I just think there are ways of looking at it where it's similar they're not totally conflicting ideologies okay
