Bridging the Spiritual & the Professional: Robert Edward Grant

If you think you can or you think you can't you'll be right people think in life we get what we deserve I don't believe that at all I believe in life we get what we expected I'd love to hear your journey from running successful companies big exits all of that stuff which so many people aspire to to now shifting to being a messenger of something that is empowering to the world I never thought that the impact Was going to be so powerful when you start to replace judgment in your life with love and acceptance then

that's what I would call Ascension the translation process from vision from idea from inspiration into form is kind of like pulling it through the veil what are some of the techniques or tools that you've used those ideas of infinite possibility being able to take that realm of forms and bring it through this Veil comes down I think to the following Things you know not everyone on my leadership teams are all into the whole spiritual woowoo aspects of things I have found that those things are actually what allow you to manifest collectively what percentage of us

is actually our conscious mind versus the unconscious I started realizing around the same time that everything that I judged was actually an aspect of myself I didn't like that's a tough pill to swallow once You start getting that mindset of heart brain coherence when the Mind thinks and when the brain feels and thinks that's when everything starts to really come together I see that with the people that I work with that when people do a certain level of personal work they get to a certain level of of inner fulfillment the natural next step is service

so how can we share this Consciousness ultimately this state of being how can we facilitate that for Others when we finally have the feeling that our desire for truth has been superceded by our expression of love that is what I believe to be Enlightenment thank you for hosting us in your beautiful home the reason I wanted to chat with you today is because one of the things that I'm most fascinated by is this idea of integrated intelligence so the idea that we have executive intelligence the part of us that is here to do something that

is Here to create something that is here to take action with intention with focus with perseverance and then the other side which is that deeply intuitive energetic intelligence the part of us that feels that senses that is attuned to the emotional realm uh that is not so focused on outcome not so focused on results but more focused on being fully immersed in what is here now and those dualities are very present inside of me and I see them as two super important Ingredients in helping specifically people who are in leadership positions people who are building

things people who are purpose-- driven to have uh a more comprehensive operating system from which to lead from and so I'm curious what your relationship to that is and you're really your relationship to yourself because you're a very well-established businessman um but you also have this deeply esoteric side uh and so you you Span this spectrum that's really broad which is really unique M uh when's the first time that you explored deep into one or the other polarity that you can like point to in your life you know I think my entire life I had

kind of this jack of all trades master of none mentality and I don't even know why that started or where it started from I think maybe it's because I grew up in the UK I grew up in England from the time I was Seven until 14 I lived in England so we got to travel all over uh not only the UK but all over Europe and so by the time I was 14 years old I already been to about 30 countries so I had a very different philosophical bend on my perspective on the world and

um you know from the great artists from even all the way back to ancient Greece all the way through to uh you know the majesty and and the form that you see in Paris I I was I think my mind was full of those Things from a very very young age and yet I was always kind of that grounded Taurus so I always had this Bend also towards not just coming up with ideas but actually manifesting those ideas and bringing them into form so my life has always been kind of at this precipice I would

say this intersection or Nexus between these two entirely different worlds the world of of dreaming and ideation uh and then turning that into tangible Creations um so I can't even Remember when I wasn't like that I guess I think I've become more and more like that as time has gone up by gone by and I do fundamentally believe that what we think of is our brains and what our brains are is not what it actually is you know what we think it is is probably some sort of hard drive or storage device for accumulating facts

and memories and things and actually what it truly is is more like an antenna we're like an antenna where we can make our Antenna balanced across the two hemispheres of our brain and when we do so then we're able to receive information from the universe itself and I think that the way to do that is to find that perfect balance between masculine and feminine energy that's already inherent within each of us and the left brain if you're right-handed is the masculine side of your brain it sort of manages and controls the mathematics and the Natural

Sciences and materiality And rationalism so it's the part of your brain that says no don't jump off that cliff and then the other side of your brain is the creative kind of wild and crazy it also represents the feminine uh it's the irrational aspect of the brain but that's where the seed of music that's where the seed of creativity and artwork is from uh the occipital Loa is our is our part of our brain that we see things from the back of our brain because you know our optic nerve goes From our eyeballs and the

right eye connects to the left brain and the left eye connects to the right brain and it crosses over this place called the optic kaym and that's right at the pituitary gland so it forms an X that's why it's called a kaym right and and so what we have in the back of our brain is also the Cent for the Natural Sciences on the left side of our brain so that which is material and hard right and then that's Where also our Visual Arts come from on the right side of our brain which is more

like the realm of forms so balancing these two means that you don't only have ideas um and I think that's one of the things a lot of entrepreneurs face they get lots and lots of ideas they don't know where to focus those ideas and how to actually bring them into form and manifestation but once you learn to balance those two aspects of your brain then the Creations just start To emanate out from that balancing and equilibrium so let's break that down the translation process from vision from idea from inspiration which is sort of this intangible

invisible realm or space Translating that into form is kind of like translate P to me I see it like pulling it through the veil like there's a veil that sort of separates the visible world the sensory World from all the other energetic Dimensions that are also present uh that of course we can Tap into very viscerally when we maybe take a psychedelic or we have a deep like breathwork experience but on our day-to-day we don't generally experience the energetic Realms so viscerally uh some people who are highly sensitive do and um but I would say

most people there's this I know that for me there I I definitely suffer from like Visionary overload and a new idea every day and then the Deep desire to actually pull it through and make it real but somewhere Along the way a lot of times you just run out of the juice like the the the momentum just starts to as you get as it gets denser and denser and denser and more logistical and more practical and more challenging it's so easy to bail on the idea and go back to the Visionary space where everything is

possible still yes and it's so fun there right I love hanging out in the infinite possibility realm um can you speak a little to your experience of that translation process And what you what you've noticed and observed in yourself in overcoming those challenges when things get sticky uh how how have you persevered through what what are some of the techniques or tools that you've used you know I I kind of remember the first time I studied about PL Plato talked about this realm of forms that I mentioned and the realm of forms is something like

it kind of explains why a child knows what a lion is before they've even seen a lion Somehow a child has like embedded in this place in his memory somewhere somehow the notion that human beings look like this the notion that a bird looks like this and uh you know kids learn animals and they learn phot types and haplotypes and everything of the genetic diversity that we see around us whether it's Flora or fauna much better than we do as adults like my son right now knows every single kind of dinosaur possible every kind of

reptile possible Every kind of mammal possible he has it all memorized being being able to take this idea of Realm of form because that's the same place that same place where we con conceptualize forms of of animals and and and archetypes that we think of that's the exact same place where ideas go that's where our ideas for a new product or a new uh Venture that you want to undertake or a new real estate project that you want to basically go after and those ideas of Infinite possibility right are sit inside of that realm of

forms and then being able to take that realm of forms and bring it through this Veil Just as you described comes down I think to the following things I think it's the difference between leadership and management so leadership is when someone can convey confidence in the future State they can cast a beautiful picture of vision they can paint in words what it is that you want to Envision out Other people can get behind as well the other thing that leaders do is they set high expectations for standards of performance and they set an example that

other people want to follow but managers do something altogether different and management is the aspect of this that I think is so critical to Bringing things in from idea to form and actually making things happen and the first principle of management is focus focus focus focus if You can't focus you can't do whatever it is that you want to do you have to commit to that focus and make it that number one thing an organization that you lead or run can only synthesize a maximum of three things at any one time so all these ideas

that is so tempting to go after to throw at your team can make them feel like they're just whipsawing all around right so making yourself focus on one two maximum three things organizationally is the thing That actually is it's the life force it's that masculine energy that brings structure to the idea ation itself the next thing you have to do is you have to be able to um measure measure against your objectives how am I going to this is this is my objective how am I going to measure this thing what are the metrics what

are the key performance indicators what are the things that I'm going to have the organization measure against so that when I go and I see a Dashboard it's all related to okay here are the top three things or the main thing what's the main thing and the main thing and then what are all the things that Cascade off of that Main thing that have to be executed upon successfully so that measurement aspect of this is also so important and then anticipation of what might go wrong now a lot of people will focus on Plan B

so much that it becomes their plan a I don't recommend that at all if you are so focused on Plan B because that's your contingency very often the contingency becomes your plan a and that doesn't work right so what you want to be able to do is have enough of a contingency planning so that you're ready for the rainy day mhm but you know if you think you can or you think you can't you'll be right mhm whatever you commit to in your mind is what's likely to be the outcome because people think you know

in life we get what we deserve I don't believe that at All I believe in life we get what we expected and whatever it was that we believed more ardently we would get is what we ultimately do get and that might be you you know people that complain about manifestation not working for them which is understandable um you usually when you actually dig deeper into it you find out that they had a fear that they wouldn't succeed MH so that fear became stronger than their desire to win the thing that they wanted to achieve so

Basically it it's a very very different thing when you can bring it through those three aspects keep the main thing the main thing measurement of success and then from measurement of success all the way into this idea of being able to anticipate what might come around the corner these are all critical aspects of management that bring ideas into form in reality so what you shared is very practical I think and and in some ways very left brain and then there's the Other side right which is the part of you that has spoken a lot about

like we live in a simulation and everything is a mirror everything is a reflection everything is vibration so you use the word manifestation and so what I'm really interested in is okay you you you can have a team right and you can all be sort of focused on the same outcome the same goal the same you know success metric but you're dealing with a variety Of people who all have their own unique what I call Soul curriculum like their the curriculum that they came here to experience the challenges the trials the tribulations the unprocessed fears

the doubts the insecurities all of that's also part of the real of the mix real life stuff mhm and so I think it's really interesting because in some ways the More Humans you have inside of a project or an organization the more you're now Also their potential doubts or fears conscious or unconscious are now thrown into the soup of kind of the collective Vortex that makes up this this this organization and so I wonder how much can this more I guess Quantum perspective like this idea that you know there's the Newtonian model of reality and

then there's like the quantum perspective um but but this idea that we are living inside of a Larger field of energy and that the the vibration or the frequency of our of our entire system our mental our physical our emotional our spiritual bodies Our unconscious and our conscious mind all of that has a direct impact on the field around us right so have you integrated that awareness into the organizations that you lead absolutely and and I do it in a way that is up until now it's been largely unconscious so you know not everyone on

My leadership teams are all into the whole spiritual woowoo aspects of things so those three things I just talked about keep the main thing the main thing right focus focus focus be able to measure and anticipate what might come around the corner I have found that those things are actually what allow you to manifest collectively now what do I mean by that so when people ask me how do you manifest something on an individual level I say I don't like to Use vision boards not that vision boards are bad I believe in vision boards you

can do that if you have an image of yourself or whatever as a thin person you put on the refrigerator is going to do much better than you as an overweight person and you put on the refrigerator door I'll tell you that much right now because if ever you have a desire not to do something the universe doesn't distinguish between the two whatever is more powerful so it doesn't really Matter what you believe it's how hard you believe it it doesn't really matter what you believe it's how hard you actually believe it and the Resonance

of your voice as well will tag along with whatever is that you actually do believe and that's where you're going to have a huge amplification of this energy that comes from the solar plexus that comes from the heart Shak comes from the throat chakra as well which is what really manages leadership the throat Chakra is the thing that we cast spells right we use our voice to be able to bring things into manifestation it's where magic is derived from it's from the throat chakra there're three layers within it self-aware self-actualize which is still dependent on

time and then self transcend which is literally magic you're casting magic spells so those three things I just talked about they sound very left brain but actually It's the way that collectively people change their expectations on what will happen and that changeing expectation and their belief system because all you really need to do is get your whole organization to believe that it will be achieved and actually that it has already been achieved right so as an individual the thing that I like to do rather than vision boards is I like to think and feel and

I put emphasis on the latter as if I've already achieved what It is that I wanted to achieve I used to do this by buying watches so I would do this thing whenever I would be facing a big demon right or a dragon I've got to slay this Dragon whatever it was I would go and I'd wake up in the morning and I'd feel this anxiety and I'd feel this pit in my stomach I'm like I'm going to out of money I had all these companies that were startups how am I going to fund all

these companies it's like Daddy's only Got so much right it's like so I'm like how many kids do I have and anyone that says that Founders and entrepreneurs start companies to make money I don't think that's really true Founders and entrepreneurs uh start companies because they want to change the world and what's interesting is that you know when people ask me well you started this company so you can make money right I'm like um that's kind of like saying did you have your second Third child or fourth child so that they could make you money

because it's literally the same having companies and starting companies is like having children and you kind of look at their development and growth you want them to live and make it past their first few years of life and then it's like oh my gosh they made it to five years old it's like oh gosh this is so good they make it 10 okay he's probably gonna survive right right oh man this is true story Stuff this is real life stuff and so what I try try to do is I try to imagine I did this

with my kids too I try to imagine as if it's already happened and then I feel the feeling as if it's happened so the best way I could do that was I used to go buy watches so I was in Shanghai in 2014 with my daughter and she was uh 18 years old and we're having a great time and I took her you know to the coolest most modern city in the world Shanghai and I Wake up in the morning and I'm thinking oh gosh one of my companies is either got to go public it's

going to run out of cash the burn rate was $10 million a month Jesus I'm like how the hell am I going to do this but it was a unicorn had a billion dollar Plus valuation already and I was like and it was almost 200 million in sales but the reason why the burn was so high is because the working capital needs were so high cuz we're growing so fast and so I got kind Of freaked out that one morning and I woke up in my hotel room and I you know knock on her door

I said hey sweetheart we're going to go to the mall today she's like why I'm like I'm going to go buy a watch so I've always collected watches and I said to myself okay I want this particular watch it was an octagonal-shaped watch which eight means abundance in Chinese so I'm like in China so I'm like I might as well get an abundant watch right of course it's an Expensive one and and so I went to the store to buy this very expensive watch now you might think why the heck would you buy a watch

what's the point of that well at that time before I had my you know before we were all so addicted to our iPhones and now we look at our iPhones for the time more than anything else I used to look at my watch a lot during the day just to keep track of where things were during the day and when I Would buy this expensive watch I would give it to myself as a gift for having already achieved the thing that I wanted to achieve celebrating the success in advance yeah so it wasn't delayed gratification

it was instant gratification for me but what I was doing is I was bringing the future State collapsing it as a wave function into the now you talk about quantum physics so I was practicing quantum physics in my own mind so every time I would look At this watch and here I was worried about running out of money so I go and spend you know 30,000 bucks or $40,000 on a watch doesn't seem very smart yeah right it's kind of like the most responsible choice no but it's burn the ships right right so it's like

you know I don't like the story of Cortez because it's a terrible story but you know he came and came into Mexico and he decided that you know he had 300 men they had six ships they get Off The Ships coming from Spain and um and everyone goes to relieve themselves in the forest and then they come out the beach and all the ships are on fire mhm and they're like why are the ships on fire and he says oh I burned the ships there's no other ships coming not for a year the next ships

aren't coming for a year there's 300 of us there's three million Aztecs and they got a lot of gold we've got to get their gold now he had the Craziest luckiest thing ever when you know the Aztecs came out to the beach looked at him and thought he was ketqua tal thought he was the returning God The Feathered Serpent so it's like you never know what might come around the corner right you never know so but this was the idea of burning the ships he couldn't have the risk that the men would say let's just

go back let's kill him let's go back this is really too hard he took that option away For people so what I was doing was I was doing that with myself I was burning the ships why would I spend so much money I'd already collapsed the way function I'd already felt as if I'd succeeded and it always worked MH so this is why I bought watches and time was always something that I felt was fluid I always felt like it was something that was just the maximum point of our Expectation and whatever it is that

we believe in our self-doubt our negative self- narratives the things that that little reel that we have playing in our head is actually what sabotages us from actually manifesting the things that we want because we maybe feel we don't deserve it we maybe feel that we're not capable of it we maybe have some Trauma from being a child when our parents or somebody else a teacher in second grade Said that I wasn't very smart or something these are all the things that we carry with us and these become belief systems that then become reality it

is not you know a lot of people say seeing is believing I don't believe that at all it's believing is seeing whatever it is that you believe will manifest it is part of the quantum field if you truly believe it you'll feel it emotionally and that will set a resonance that will then attract those Things into the world around you and what percentage of us is actually our conscious mind versus the unconscious because believing to choose to believe like I can say okay I choose to believe that I'm going to win the lottery and I'm

going to believe it with every particle of my being I'm going to celebrate it's already done I'm going to just live in that future memory of it like it there's no way this can't Happen and so then if I truly believed it then I right I should win the lottery now there's also the unconscious part of me that is a huge percentage of me that might really not believe that I am going to win the lottery there's also I feel the collective belief system that says yeah winning the lottery is really unlikely and so I'm

up against all of this sort of crosscurrent energy right which I might not even be able to see With because it's in a blind spot a lot of it how do you how would you address that so that's the big challenge right there because you probably do have fears that you won't actually win the lottery yeah and then that actually is what manifests because it became stronger and you were just falsely telling yourself I'm going to win the lottery I'm going to win the laundry I don't really believe I'm going to win the lottery but

I am going to win the lottery but I Don't really believe I'm going to win the lottery these are the things that go through our heads right you need it to be in coherence now you asked about the separation between the conscious and the unconscious mind let's say that you what you perceive as you to be is sitting across from me but actually there's another aspect of you and that is your U inverse it's all around you I say U inverse not because I'm just saying it factiously I'm saying it because it's literal what is

inside of you will project to the world around you and it does it Moment by moment second by second of your experience this separation between conscious mind and unconscious mind or conscious mind and subconscious mind is what we believe is what we call separation right we we're born into separation we think we're separate from everybody else we think we're separate From everything else and we build up our Persona to create even more separation from the moment that we feel shame or guilt because someone told us that we did something wrong or we believed we did

something wrong or Adam in the Garden of Eden said oh I was naked so I covered myself with fig leaves who told you you were naked this is where the separation of Duality comes in and so we tend to think that the world around us is separate From us but actually it's not it's just a reflection or projection of what's inside of us it's like an iceberg imagine an iceberg that we could only see you know 20 feet above the water of it but actually it's 200 ft underwater as well submerged now the iceberg if

it were sentient might look at the world around it and say oh I see a moon at night I see a sun during the daytime I see boats you know on the surface of the water I I See birds basically flying above me I see a whale spout spout water right next to me um and this is my world I'm separate from all the rest of it without even knowing that there's a whole gigantic piece of the iceberg that's under the water but what if the entire experience above the surface of water and that surface

is just a mirror reflector is actually the projection of what's underneath the water that is that iceberg that is how we project our world Around us we don't realize it every day but we do live in a u inverse so there's U and there's a u inverse now what's the experience you experience it's what's been chosen by you it's Eternal you chose this path you chose this circumstance you're not a victim you chose it all that's hard for people to get their heads wrapped around sometimes but actually it works also in business because the whole

point is of this world and this life is to figure Out why we chose what we chose what was it we were trying to learn through our experiences and if we can capture that and find the thing that's totally in line with our souls path and our Soul's Journey this is speaking to the spiritual aspect that you mentioned earlier then everything starts to come easily and this is in astrology there's something called the North Node right and the South node do you know your North Node oh God you're putting me on the spot um I

did I just can't remember we talked about this last time and I looked it up and it's it's evaporated from my brain for some reason I want to say it's Capricorn but I I don't remember exactly but I know mine mhm minus Pisces so my my South note is the opposite of Pisces which is Virgo MH which is very judgmental right it's a very judgmental aspect it's also earthy Right it's very much in the ground Duality and you know it was good for me because I learned how to navigate in this world in the in

what people often refer to as a third but it's actually fourth dimension because we have time and time is the ultimate scarcity right we have of scarcity we call minutes and seconds we have units of scarcity we ascribe and pay for those minutes and seconds we call dollar bills and what I realized was that when My realization came that my North Node was Pisces which is really a mystical more of a mystical teacher a wisdom teacher I was like wait a minute that's what's been pulling me my entire life cuz your North Node is where

you're heading right that's where I'm heading yeah absolutely that's what had been pulling me my entire life and I didn't know and I fought against it MH but again that was the journey I chose to fight against it so that I would ask Myself the question why did I want to learn this what was I supposed to learn and then I realized oh this is my soul's Journey we're all in our own Heroes journey and and so if you can find the thing in your career that matches your North Node then you'll find whatever way

that you can overlap and that it's that eeky guy diagram that you see that you know Japanese things you love to do the things you're good at doing the things The world needs right the intersection of all these things is eeky which is like this you know sort of Nirvana for career and it's it's a powerful aspect because once you find yourself in line with that Soul's Journey then everything you do becomes much much easier you get to be in flow and then the manifestation becomes much easier too because you realize that wait this what

I'm supposed to be doing yeah so that belief system the strength with which you believe Something it's not what you believe but how hard you believe it that will manifest that realization is I think something that very few people actually understand there's different trains of thought on this I'd be curious just drilling down a little further there's this saying right you you don't you don't get what you want you get what you are like you get more of what you already are so if you're in a state of deep desire There's in the in the

world of manifestation conversations there's like the the desire is like the attractor and it pulls the thing in or the expectation but you could also then AR counter argue and say well if I'm in a state of Desire I'm just going to manifest more desire if I'm in a state of expectation I'm going to manifest more expectation so really what I want to be in is in the Fulfillment of of of it already being done and really getting into that place Of not wanting any like there's almost like a like what's the end goal is

it desirelessness um I think that's a really interesting conversation well this is you're you're pinpointing on exactly why I don't like vision boards because they put you into a future yeah they put separation between me and the thing that I want right and so it's like this if you need credit and you go to a bank and say I need credit the bank's going to kick you out and say get out of Here we don't have time for this they're not going to give you credit the only time you can get credit from a bank

is when you don't need credit so it's like all these people that are like you know genz uh and even some Millennials are like I went to the bank I don't understand this it's like they said I need a credit history how do I get a credit history if I don't have credit it's like this Paradox of life right There's all these weird paradoxes that we all have well it's the same thing is true the bank is no different than the universe in this context the universe is going to give you you according to the

emotional state that you already are you don't perceive the world as it is you perceive it as you are so as a result of this the more you create separation between you and the thing that you desire through that desire itself the desire becomes the Emanation of suffering it's the lack it's the lack you're lack desire implies that I don't have it yet that's right if I had it I wouldn't be Desiring that's right so the best thing you can do as a manager and leader is to convince all of your employees that the thing

that you guys are going after is already done mhm it's already created and the way you do that is by not whipsawing them around with too many ideas because then they can stay focused on the one two or three Things that the organization is going to basically execute on and they realize what role they play in that execution that they'll know also everyone expects that there could be weird things that happen like force measures you know you could have a bad storm that comes and tears around your Warehouse or something so what would you do

as a contingency in case that were to happen it's just a preparedness sort of process but that also gives Comfort to the employees if The employees are afraid they'll never manifest what it is that you want to achieve and then the measurements are continually convincing them ever try to lose weight by not standing on a scale it's really hard it's the measurement that creates something called the hawthor effect the hawthor effect another left brain concept but it basically says you don't get what you deserve it get you get what you measure you get because that

measurement the Very Act of measuring something causes you to change and reform your expectation towards a new reality if you lose one pound you'll expect that the next day you might also lose another pound or maybe two or three days later you'll lose another pound and you've already seen it in your mind that I'm stepping on the scale and I feel so happy because I lost this weight do you follow what I'm saying so anything that creates separation between you and your Desired goal um is is going to only create greater separation so if you

are Desiring something desire desire desire you believe that you're not enough already I just had this conversation with a wonderful woman that I work with that you know she said to me she's like I'm this age and I don't have all the things that I expected to have and I don't have the house that I wanted I Don't have the you know the children that I wanted I don't have any of these things and I said to her and I I think the world of her and I said you know have you possibly considered that

the moment that you see yourself as already enough that all of those things will be made manifest for you that they're literally waiting for you to stop Desiring them it's a deep thought easier said than done easier said than done but it's Like anything else you start to build a habit by doing it the habit of selfworth the habit of self-worth because you then start to ask yourself the question well why do I need all these things to be enough MH and that's the journey that your soul wanted you to go on yeah my experience

of that having stripped de myself down again and again and again you know to zero like and in in some ways metaphorically in some ways very tangibly you know quitting my job with No backup plan with no savings facing zero dollars in my bank account again and again Chas my head like going through these massive resets of just like stripping away all the things that I where I was uh assigning external Worth right where this external thing was somehow contributing to my sense of self and my sense of worth and what what happens when I

let go of that like who am I without that that was you went totally bald once I went fully bald like Full on shaved down Conor Style full fullblown yeah I actually really liked it but it was still an edge you know cuz edgy for sure for women a lot of their worth is of course and their hair and really questioning like what is femininity and and recognizing I'm I'm actually I feel actually more androgynous in my inner being than I do like female or like a woman and so all of these interesting Explorations all

of that to say through That process it took several years there was this continued deep sense of like like finding the worth without needing any of the external stuff MH and getting to a place where I found myself at first it was like I would touch it and I would feel what it feels like to feel completely fulfilled utterly complete Within Myself not needing anything external to be different not needing anything to complete me and just basking in that and then that would sort of Dissipate and fall away and I would go back into some

pattern of fear or contraction or doubt or disbelief and then I would kind of go through these phases where the sense of self-worth as a core foundational like anchored belief system just got more and more consistent and I call it like stabilizing where I felt like I was stabilizing in this new knowing this new this new way of of perceiving myself in The world around me the same way that when you start with a skateboard right you fall off it but then eventually you stabilize and then you know you trust that like you're not going

to fall off the thing it was the same thing with the sense of selfworth and what I found is that my relationship to creating changed because I was no longer driven by the desire to create from a sense of lack or even a sense of Desire but really from a sense of what would be possible if you Know and how can I take what I've learned and actually make it available to more people like they're really this service based mentality started to come online in a big way and I see that with the people that

I work with my my clients and my students and that there's this theme that when people do a certain level of personal work and they get to a certain level of inner fulfillment the natural next step is service it's like well I don't want to be in this by Myself like I want everyone else to experience this too so how can we share this Consciousness ultimately this state of being how can we facilitate that for others so I'd love to hear your journey from you know super successful checking all those boxes of like high achiever

um running successful companies big exits all of that stuff which so many people aspire to to now shifting to really a a being a messenger of of something that is empowering to the world and guiding People on their own journey of self-discovery taking them to these places that been powerful for you in your journey can you share a little bit about that Arc you know it started for me um in 2017 the Sim hermain invited me to come to Egypt and he asked me to give a presentation he gave me the the keynote position for

the week and there were lots of great speakers that that were there but he gave me the best the best Slot right before everyone was going into the Great Pyramid now this was the same exact week and the same day in fact when we had the big shooting in Las Vegas in front of the fake pyramid the Luxor pyramid and um and I was I remember seeing that in the news and everything while I was over there I'm like wait a minute here we are we're all having this very profound experience in front of the

Great Pyramid and at the exact same time You know there were like 175 of us and there were like 571 people or something like that that were you know injured shot and many killed right that were in that uh that terrible terrible circumstance right in front of luxur pyramid and and I thought that's the first thought I had like maybe we're in some sort of simulation and because it just seemed like a strange mirror reflection at the exact same moment in time well I was Asked to give a presentation on number theory in mathematics which

has been a passion of mine it was more of a hobby from I'd say 2011 2012 until like 2017 and the Sim had seen presentations that I'd given before on it but only to scientists and to physicists and mathematicians and so he asked me to go more broadly with it so I presented to about two 175 people that were there plus all the staff this was close to 200 people and uh I was shocked because I Presented math as a language of the universe and it was not long after that movie contact UM it wasn't

contact rather it was uh what was the name of the movie that had Amy Adams in it the one where she was a linguist oh yeah right a rival a rival arriv Ral and it was long it wasn't long after arriv Ral came out and so people were like this is like a Ral you figured out the language of the universe oh my gosh at the end of a what was supposed to be a 2-hour Presentation that turned into a 4-Hour presentation because there were so many questions um half the room was in tears so

I gave this presentation at the end of the presentation we all went to the pyramid and afterwards everyone came up to me and was like look uh can you teach a course on this so I started thinking gosh you know I didn't even have a PowerPoint I I just took my handwritten notes and I took photographs of them and basically that's What was my PowerPoint presentation in Egypt and people had a profound experience with that I was stunned by the whole thing so I started teaching courses and then I started posting geometric drawings on physics

and Mathematics and as a language of God like language of universe and all of a sudden I never would have guessed it just took off like crazy like I was getting thousands and thousands of likes On these bizarre drawings that were just like my notes of my notebook and and then it just exploded right and I never thought and the whole reason why I was sharing it was not because I wanted to get a lot of followers I didn't think anyone was going to want to follow it it was because I felt that me sharing

it what I had been getting um somehow had some benefit to me that was my first it was like making it real for Me and so I was just sharing it with no other intention I thought if if one person might benefit from this that's better than I ever thought that I was going to get anyway right I I would post things because I thought if one person could get benefit from it then it served better than I thought it ever could and um and so it kind of exploded you know I I would just

post these things and I found that people had a really intense reaction to it and then that that led to I've now published six books uh three of the books are are art books of just my notes I'm doing the fourth and fifth right now as well and I probably have enough material to do another five or six books even today but I never thought that the impact was going to be so powerful and for all of us that were there that night in 2017 we went to the great pyamid you know in the exact

same time this horrific shooting that was happening in Vegas you know to me I immediately felt like this is like a strange mirror reflection and it started to make me wonder as people Ascend will there have to be an accompanying greater Darkness with that greater light can you explain what you mean by Ascend as as we start to become more and more aware of who we are and why we're here and what we're doing this is what I would call The Awakening and asion Process when you start to replace judgment in your life with love

and acceptance then that's what I would call Ascension and I know that's hard for people to conceptualize because it's like well why would you replace love with judgment you know it's hard even to identify exactly what the opposite of Love Is some people think it's fear some people think it's hatred um I actually think it's judgment and because the state that You're in when you are in love a state of Love is one with no judgment it's unconditional and and so I realized then that because as Newton said and not only Newton but Einstein and

many other physicists throughout time every major scientist has always said every action must have also an equal opposite reaction so as you guys were in this process of elevating and expanding together through this presentation you Feel that there was this counter reaction going the other direction it was very bizarre I I can't say that I could directly tie it to that but it was just one of those strange coincidences that I kind of I don't really believe in coincidences that much and I can say that I believe you know it's almost like the movies right

you think about a film like um Lord of the Rings so when Gandalf the Gray ends up falling down the chasm with that fiery Dragon you think he's gone right you think that's the end of Gandalf but that's like one of the first few scenes of the film and actually he comes back as Gandalf the White he comes back stronger right so he went from Gray to White so of course his hair went totally white and everything about him changed and he became more powerful as a wizard this was at the same time that all

of a sudden the Orcs got Created so we see this dualistic life or duat play out all around us us all the time whenever a hero is born there's always going to be a villain that somehow creates a boundary condition for the hero himself and so we all in our own hero's journey will seek to find villains in our life they don't have to be people they might be things it could be systems it could be whatever it is because this is how the hero gets defined by the Boundary the edge of the hero becomes

the edge of the villain can the hero exist without the villain it's like a sacred relationship it's a sacred relationship and there's nothing in the universe that basically is able to escape that reality so I I had to just wonder it just seemed like a strange coincidence that here we were in Egypt at the same time this is happening the same week and we were having a really profound Experience and I think that this is true for all things that we experience as we Ascend you would expect and as people become more and more aware

they can tap into their own magic they can tap into their greater light we're talking about people going through DNA upgrades and such right 12 strand DNA well for everybody that's going to be experiencing that greater light there needs to be a backdrop of Greater darkness when I go to buy a diamond at a Store the first thing I do is say hey can you put that diamond in front of the Black Velvet because the Black Velvet absorbs everything but by doing that the diamond can shine more brightly so in that context maybe we're all

in just a play of our own creation and that what I think of as myself as me and the U inverse of me is my universe around me it's fully predestined what I used to think of as Destin Destiny I now think of is just The Free Will of the higher self because I believe that the one in the universe is accumulating more and more and more individualized conditioning biases perspectives that are entirely subjective maybe the only objective truth could be accumulated through accumulation of all the summation of all possible subjective realities that require eyes

of perception that are all different maybe that feeds an overall System or a cic record that could basically build on itself and is infinite and so we we all growing from this we're all growing through these different perspectives but what we're facing now is everyone's feeling like wait what I thought was true may not be the whole truth I spent my entire life collecting facts I thought fact was fact and I thought I was a better and better judge Discerning between those facts and being able to utilize them towards Success in this 3D 4D world

I at a much later stage in life started realizing that everything I thought was a fact was actually a facet was missing one little letter E in between the C and the T and this facet was only one perspective on a larger prism of truth that if I were to try to understand the entire truth the entirety of possibility of truth I would have to collect everybody's subjective Perspectives for each one contains within it their own facet of perspective and that was a major shift and so I stopped Desiring the truth now we just talked

about the problem with Desiring something right it actually has the effect of pushing something away when we finally have the feeling that our desire for truth has been superseded by our Expression of love that is what I believe to be Enlightenment when our desire for truth has been superseded expr of of love that's a beautiful definition of enlightenment that's what I really believe it is and I don't think it is only for guys that wear like you know Jesus sandals I think that it can be for people who wear Italian shoes too I think that

it can be for people who you Know can express themselves the way that they want to express themselves um we all have these archetypes of what we believe someone who is going through the Awakening an Enlightenment process should be and is um I don't think that there is a cookie cutter set I think actually everybody will have their own path so how do you in a very practical day-to-day way work with your own judgment because we all have it right we we can't well maybe maybe when we're Enlightened we don't anymore but judgment is just

a part of our operating system at in this current Paradigm I feel even for those of us who are aware that judgment is sort of the antagonist to love or the thing that keeps us in a state of Separation it's still it's still often there even there's there's also a lot of spiritual superiority right and spiritual judgment so how do you work with that when it comes up well whenever someone says that you know it's Like yeah hey I'm woke um it kind of makes me laugh to a certain extent when they also accompany that

with a statement of judgment MH whatever that judgment is I'm a vegan and everyone should be vegan I um am fighting for the whales how can you sit there in your privilege right while people are dying in Africa this is sort of the mentality that's you know you live in LA so you know exactly what I'm talking about and So what I would propose to you is that that is not really awakened if you're still at a place of judgment there's no such thing as spiritual superiority doesn't exist if you've basically transcended out of it

if you are Transcendent of this notion of judgment and you're actually in a place of love then you see everybody as Divine everybody is the manifestation of God around you and the moment that you Think well everyone else is God and this rest of the world around me is God but I'm the part that's not that is actually ego this belief that that people have have superiority it's not there's no such thing as spiritual superiority in that context because you cannot Ascend without the rest of the world around you also becoming this Divine place to

you so the belief that we have that we are better than anyone Else no one of us even as an ascended Avatar is any better than anyone else so taking that mentality they're all just at different stages of their Journey at their different soul realizations what it is that they chose this is what you tell yourself when you notice judgment within yourself you remind yourself of you know what I do when I notice judgment within myself I did it really bad with Donald Trump I'll be honest it was like I'd watch Donald On TV I'd

be like it just made me crazy like I get triggered by and until one day someone said why are you so triggered by Donald Trump and I started realizing around the same time that everything that I judged was actually an aspect of myself I didn't like that's a tough pill to swallow and so I started realizing that I was attracting everything I was judging until I no longer judged what I Attracted and then just that awareness alone was enough to get you to not be triggered when you saw Donald Trump no no not in the

beginning but becoming aware of it was the first step right it's like getting over the denial that's like Alcoholics Anonymous I was like okay I am an alcoholic I am the thing I am that I am mhm I am that the thing that I judge I am so what I started doing is I forced myself every time I was triggered by Donald to say out loud no matter where I was I could be in a meeting or anything and I would say I am that I am it was like my punishment to myself it's like

a and finally reprogramming it was a reprogramming that was my neural linguistic reprogramming yeah finally I stopped getting triggered by him and I've noticed the things that I continue to Harbor a lot of judgment for like Pedophilia right like uh like corruption and government these things it's also because I continue to judge it that the world is being filled with these Notions right now because I don't see the world as it is I see it as I am so if it's in my world it's another part of myself that I've still yet to integrate not

that I'm going to accept pedophilia but I'm going to become less triggered by it and become more objective as it were not so emotionally charged around it and That's when you know that you've got an issue when you're emotionally charged over a topic and you can't even really explain why there's something deeper for you to learn there's a wisdom path that you've basically been given by your higher self to find mhm and I would say there's kind of this model of transcendence right you've used that word a few times like I'm going to transcend beyond

the thing and I'm going to see it from an expanded perspective And reframe it and reprogram it and and that's one one aspect and then I think often that feels like that feels like one component but I guess coming back to this notion of integrated intelligence in some ways you could say you know Alpha is sort of like the witness The Seer Consciousness it's and that's the alpha pole and then on the on the what I would call Omega which is like the feminine pole the polarity to that there's the immersion into the Thing and

so this is an an interesting uh I don't I don't know what I would call it like a I guess it's a perspective really on how to transmute or or alchemize emotion specifically dark heavy negative emotion what we would label as negative um instead of only transcending it which I think is one part of the puzzle I think Having the courage to actually fully feel it and meet it through not resisting and judging it And letting it process through the nervous system it releases that energy from the physical body because there's we can't just do

it all on the intellectual psychos spiritual plane we have to do this work at the somatic level at the nervous system level this is what I'm super passionate about I could not agree with you more and in fact I wrote a book called polymath so polymathic thought that's what I spoke at the Vatican about Recently polymathic thought is just being able to integrate many learnings because math matics used to just mean all learning because it was the foundational language of all learning until Aristotle narrowly classified it as the study of quantity right so polymathic thought

is being able to be a musician an artist a mathematician a physicist a you know you name it could be a carpenter a geometer all these things in one so Jack of all trades Master of none but there's something that goes beyond this there's a purpose it's not just to accumulate knowledge and to be proficient at all these different possible careers that is polymathy I think there's a higher Transcendence of polymathy which is what I call so as you're able to accumulate the purpose of becoming a polymath is so that you can grock you can

actually synthesize all of these different Perspectives that these different conditioning biases might lead to people's different viewpoints I can see the world in terms of how a liberal thinker might see the world I can see it as the in terms of of how a conservative thinker might see the world I can see it as a scientist I can see it as a physician I can see it as a mathematician I can see it as a scientist um I can see it as an artist I can see it as a musician so this is Actually a

reason for building up all of this ability to perceive more broadly is empathy and that's why for lack of a better term I made up the word yesterday polypaths many feelings because pathy means feelings MH so it doesn't mean that you go to this intellectual place place and you cut off your heart center the heart I often say this when the heart thinks and the mind feels the river of wisdom Flows when the heart thinks now you might say well how can a heart think well actually there's a part of our heart that is right

next to aryus and the SA node of our heart the Sino atrial note of our heart where there are brain style neurons there mhm and the cerebellum regulates feeling in the brain the emotional Center is in the cerebellum it's the base of the brain it's just Above where we think of the throat chakra to be so this cerebellum allows the brain to feel and the thymus in the SA node allows the heart to think being in absolute equilibrium with those two aspects is what you alluded to we first started this discussion which is how do

you basically tap into the left and right brain the masculine the feminine the alpha the Omega right and Then you create this optic Kai the kaym where the right eye connects to the left oxital lobe and the left eye connects to the right occipital lobe and where it connects is right at the pituitary gland that Awakening is what we call Crown chakra Awakening and this is what's happening right now around the world the p IAL gland is activating the crown chakra is activating we're starting to realize that we're not just Homo sapiens anymore We're we

have the potential to become homo Sanctus luminous sacred light and that is our destiny that's our next PATH but it will happen for us more quickly as soon as we start to identify what it is our life path is what our North Node is see the astrology is actually an intrinsic critical aspect of this Matrix simulation genan Keys is another aspect of it as well mathematics and numerology there's a reason why it's so accurate It's not just happen stance I don't believe in coincidence coincidence and and not being able to see patterns and believing thing

Everything Is Random is just our inability to see God's encrypted patterns and we are God so that means that all the desires you have you can let go of M you can feel as if you've already achieved them and sink into your life's journey find out what your North note is It doesn't mean you're going to be some bump on a log and you're going to be some sort of like Couch Potato but finding the way to find your eeky guy amidst your North Node is going to be the S fastest and shest way for

you to manifest because your soul will recognize it because it's already happened and once you start getting that mindset of heart brain coherence when the Mind thinks and feels and when the brain feels and thinks that's when Everything starts to really come together and so all your manifestations become a natural extension of you you perceive the world as you are because you realize you are the world it's a beautiful transition I don't think many people have actually been able to experience yet but I think more and more are are experiencing it and we can also

believe that because every action must have an equal opposite reaction that very likely the backdrop will get a Little bit more challenging just as when you move up levels in a game the next levels become more challenging in some ways they might be differently challenging but the most important thing to remember is that as this path towards love is littered with all of our judgments once we can learn to trans send and realize that our expression of love and acceptance in our world in our path and everything in the world around Us as well because

we already have everything as we want it we don't feel we need anything judgment is the source of all suffering the desire that we have that comes along with those judgments is also an emanating source of that suffering as well and the fact that you need something we think we need all kinds of stuff to be happy we don't if you really think about it what do you really need to be happy I think the only Thing we need to be happy is to know who we are and why we're here how do you define

love I Define love as you know someone just posted something on my uh on my Instagram page and they said love is the desire to merge that's romantic love it's a little different right it's like yes there's this polarity desire to merge but I actually believe that not all forms of Love result in a desire to merge right thank goodness but I saw today there was a strange video that was on Instagram that showed this deer with a full rack like you know full headrack uh trying to mate with a donkey oh God and I

immediately thought I with this guy was right he's like love is a desire to merge I'm like well you know some things will end up in manifestations others will not um but I started thinking to myself what is the Nature of love I believe the nature of Love is being able to understand and empathize with another and not just one but hopefully expend extend that to include all other sentient beings they could be you know Flora or fauna human or extraterrestrial or intraterrestrial doesn't really matter it's the this state of love which is really derived

from not only comprehending their circumstance and their life path of of their chosen path As well but also being able to empathize fully with it beautiful thank you so much thank you good to have you here yeah I can't wait for there's so many more things I could have talked about with you today but we're going to save him for another time thank you thank you thank you