Mom Microwaved 2-Month-Old Baby For 5 Minutes While Having A Seizure

[Music] bada bing badao March 17th 2011 it's a rainy day in Sacramento California Grandma Chua has mud all over her shoes from doing yard work at the back of the house but that's not even what she's concerned about right now right now Grandma Chua is staring at this really bizarre odd site she's standing at the opening of the back door to the house so the back door is open and in the open Doorway is her daughter and her granddaughter cyang chua's daughter is holding the little 2-month-old baby in her arms and everything about this site

is just not normal first of all K's face is red she's sweaty she looks like she's just worked out but she's not even in workout clothes it's just a little bit puzzling but at least it's not alarming yet until Grandma chua's eyes go down ka's pants they're wet there's a massive stain on Her thighs I mean sure maybe she could have spilled water on herself but honestly it look more like she urinated on herself then Grandma Chu's eyes go to baby Mirabel the 2-month-old granddaughter she's not moving she's not making a single noise in fact

her face is red and her body seems unusually stiff but it's very hard to tell because she's in her onesie she's wrapped up in this blanket and her daughter is telling her mom we got to go to the hospital She's sick she's sick hurry we got to go to the hospital another odd detail Grandma Chua notices right at this moment is that her daughter Ka sounds like her tongue is injured she's not enunciating like she normally does I imagine it's kind of like trying to talk with your fingers clamped on your tongue it sounds kind

of odd kind of like that the whole time and a little bit of blood is on her lip Grandma Chua goes straight into Grandma mode she runs into the House she takes her granddaughter marabelle places her down unzips her PJs and her skin the skin on this little baby's chest is bright red her skin is peeling she's got these angry bright red marks all over her body K reaches over to peel off maribel's skin near the chest I don't know if it was an instinct I don't know why she's doing that peel off just grab

and peel I guess maybe she's confused I don't know but Grandma TR slaps her daughter's hands away and Within minutes 911 is called and within minutes of that First Responders are arriving at the scene they're rushing into the house what happened what happened the consensus in the house seemed to be that the baby was accident acally dropped onto the space heater and now she's unconscious there was nothing the First Responders could do within 9 minutes baby marabel would be pronounced dead at the scene of the crime and there would Just be so many questions that

the authorities have now like why is marelle's body covered in Burns but her hair and her clothes aren't nearly as burnt that doesn't make sense if she fell on the space heater what happened during the 11 minutes that marabelle was left alone with her mom and does it have anything to do with the little purple Pacifier that they find inside the [Music] microwave we would like to thank today's Sponsors who have made it possible for rotten mango to support baby to baby they are a nonprofit that provides essential items to more than 1 million children

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now on all podcast platforms and on YouTube under Stephanie Sue so with that being said let's get started everything about that day was beyond normal or at least it's supposed to be normal before Mirabel died so cayy Yang's husband is this truck driver and he's gone for the whole day he's not coming back for probably a few more days in fact sometimes he's gone for like 2 weeks at a time but it's fine the family always comes to help Ka so she's not alone her brother-in-law VA so Kang's brother-in-law was at the house he was

Living at the house when this happened he's just helping her take care of the kids and on that particular night even cang's mom slept over the night before so she's got a lot of support so she can just focus on doing her work she works from home and applying for benefits and taking care of the kids they have four kids three boys under 7even and now 2-month-old Mirabel V the brother-in-law had just left the house to go pick the boys up From school and when he walked out of the house he remembers seeing C holding

Mirabel and working on her computer ka's mom is out on the yard doing some yard work and for the next 11 minutes C and Mirabel are alone the police need to know what happened in those 11 minutes they only have K's word or at least initially to go off of and K said I I don't know what happened I felt this weird pounding in my head I saw this bright flash of white light and that's All I remember that's it the next thing she knows she's waking up on the floor she's laying on something wet

her pants are drenched and she's like that's my urine she had wet herself and she had bit her tongue her tongue is raw like she bit off a chunk of it she didn't actually bite off a chunk of it but it felt like it it was just weird to have her memory wiped for however long that was she was at her desk one moment and then on the floor of her bedroom Drenched in urine the next moment with no recollection of how she got there what happened in between nothing so in this confused head pounding

State she gets up and she sees 2-month-old Mirabel on the ground laying next to her and her face mirabel's eyes aren't open but her whole face is bright red she reaches over and Mirabel is stiff she's not breathing she's not responding to touch she's not moving and Kai is now full on panicking she says she picks up Mirabel Rushes into the kitchen because that's where she assumed her mom would be at this point her mom rushes in through the back door they rush to take off mirabel's pajamas they notice all these bizarre burn marks and

they start freaking out V walks in through that door at the exact moment he had left the house for 15 minutes to grab K's sons from school now he's walking in and everybody's freaking out and Mirabel is unconscious on the table and he would be The one to call 911 so vaah is the brother-in-law and he just returned home with the son yes K and her family agree I mean in this state she must have fell on top of the baby on the space heater she's holding Mirabel suffers a seizure drops Mirabelle onto the space

heater and almost squashes her so she's on top of her sandwiching her onto the space heater that's the only thing that makes sense right for these Burns but it doesn't make sense not even a little bit Because how is Mirabel burned head to toe but her hair and pajamas are not that burnt both sides of her body are burnt it would take the investigator 3 months to figure out exactly what happened to Mirabel they had a hunch but to get the exact evidence that they needed to arrest K it would take 3 months the experts

working on the case said she has some deep tissue Burns probably the worst I'd ever seen another officer States I mean it's clear the child was burned but the source The Source was mysterious the burns are not typical of fire or acid injuries even and there is damage to the baby's clothing but not too much and specifically she had radiation Burns that's very specific one of the most common ways people get radiation Burns is through chemotherapy if the radiation affects the healthy tissues then it could lead to internal Burns or let's say you have Repeated

and prolonged exposure to x-rays performed on the body it could cause radiation Burns or you could be near a nuclear accident that's a radiation burn or you're mishandling radioactive materials those are the most common ways this makes the situ situation even more confusing because by all accounts mirbel is a healthy baby she likely did not have enough x-rays to Warrant radiation Burns she did not need chemotherapy she's not near a nuclear Plant or an accident she would not be in a setting where she would handle radioactive materials it's not something you just buy at the

store she's 2 months old and the level of the burns are extensive the burns run so deep that it fried her internal organs the police are quick to look for any other cases where this happened where an infant was found deceased and had extensive radiation burns on their body they come across two Joshua Malden From Texas his 2-month-old daughter was found with second and third degree burns to her left ear cheek hand and shoulder she did survive but her left ear had to be partially amputated and she had to have several skin grafts because of

radiation Burns Joshua originally told the authorities that his daughter had suffered from severe sunburns and when the authorities told him we don't believe you he stated well I might have Also accidentally spilled hot water on her while I was making some coffee but that all turned out to be a lie then in Ohio China Arnold's 28 day old daughter Paris was found badly burned after a fight with China's boyfriend so China and her boyfriend get into this huge argument where the boyfriend is like that's not my baby you you slept with somebody else that's not

my baby they get into this huge argument and then Paris the 28 day old daughter is found Dead with internal radiation Burns in both cases the children's injuries were consistent with baby marabel and in both cases both children had been microwaved there are reasons why when you heat up food on the stove or in the oven or perhaps the microwave they taste differently even if it's the same leftover pizza cuz they heat food differently if you put Pizza on the stove the stove top gets really hot whether it's gas or electric and then it Heats

up the pan and then you place the pizza on the hot pan an oven it heats up the air inside the oven so that's why when you open it you get that Rush of hot air the air touches the food and heats up the pizza on the pan in the oven microwaves they work a little bit differently a microwave is essentially a device that boils water if you want to simplify it it heats up water without getting too technical a microwave works by firing these beams of electromagnetic Waves at food and these beams cause the

water molecules inside the food to start rotating and they start rotating faster and faster and the water molecules essentially they start vibrating and that vibrating friction produces heat because they're moving around back and forth back and forth very quickly that's why an empty plate in the microwave does not get too hot because there's no water molecules to vibrate and heat up to some extent microwaves do heat and cook food From the inside which I agree there is anecdotal evidence that there the Frozen burrito and the micro wave is hot on the outside cold on the

inside but that can be because of two different things one there are cold spots in microwaves because the radiation waves do not hit certain points of food it literally does not go that deep but also the way that microwaves work they bring that heat to the surface of the food so to put it simply water from inside the food turns Into steam and tries to escape the food but it can escape so it just liquefies again at the surface of the food which is why most microwaved items are left a bit squishy if you will

mhm there are speculations on what could happen if you're trapped inside of a microwave these are the speculations if you're trapped in a microwave yes I know that we're more commonly used to the household microwaves but there's industrial strength microwaves where Adult humans could fit into easily and the door could be locked wa that's like a horror movie yeah so within the first few seconds you will likely feel a warmth on your skin but other than that the first 10 seconds will be more so confused panicking it's around 11 seconds in that you might start

noticing some weird discomfort in your eyes the eyes go first the human eyeball is made up of 98% water and those water molecules inside the eyeball are going To start vibrating and your vision is going to start vibrating there was a woman who stuck her head in a microwave and somehow managed to turn it on please don't ever do this it's but she stated that she felt her eyeball vibrating inside of her head she said her vision was also vibrating she's lucky that she did not lose her eyesight completely 25 seconds in there's going to

be this prickly sensation on your skin like you're being poked by one of those Cactus plants it stings but it's not the biggest pain you've ever felt in your life within 30 seconds your body will start profusely sweating it's a natural reaction to your body's temperature rising and then around that point at 40 seconds in you might notice some steam coming out of your body literally you're generating steam those are the water molecules inside of your body that are now turning into steam 45 seconds in you start seeing blistering or skin starting To peel like

you're having a really bad sunburn that's going to include the surface of your tongue you might start to develop boils on your tongue that start to burst at the 70-second mark it is likely you'll have second degree burns which are not the worst but could still take several weeks to heal as long as you get out but if you don't if you're still trapped in there within the next 5 seconds so 1 minute and 15 15 seconds in blood puss bodily fluids will Start trying to break out of the Skin Barrier they're going to start

trying to force their way out of the layers of the skin you will likely be conscious for this after 80 Seconds the fluid in the eyes becomes heated up causing your vision to warp it'll likely be incredibly physically difficult near impossible to try and keep your eyes open at this point because of the pain but once you close your eyes your ears start going off the pressure in your Ears starts becoming unmanageable to the point where you you know how your ears are an important part of keeping balance once that's gone you're going to lose

all sense of balance you're going to fall to the ground and not know which way is up then comes the whistling it sounds like there's water boiling inside of your ear and it's trying to get out it's like an angry pot of pasta on the stove but it sounds and feels like it's directly in your eardrum again this is a Theoretical idea of what would happen but it's guesstimated that after10 seconds most humans will collapse the body will shut down go into shock after 2es minutes the eyeballs will pop I mean I don't think they're

going to pop like balloons but I imagine it'll erupt inside the eye socket or blood vessels will pop then comes the third degree burns there may be bodily fluid seeping out of the eyes and the eard drums will rupture We're just 2 minutes and 20 seconds in it's going to be at the 2 minute and 25 second Mark that the blood inside your body will likely start to boil which makes the entire surface of your skin bright red the smell will be intense at the point after 160 seconds it will likely be unbearable to breathe

and as you're focused on trying to get air into your system the blood will thicken coagulate the water content in your body is rapidly dropping and you will be Totally paralyzed from the nerve damage and shock after 200 seconds or 3 minutes and 20 seconds one will likely suffer a debilitating stroke and after 5 minutes there's going to be massive organ failure that leads to death this is theoretically what would happen if you were to be trapped inside an industrial strength microwave which is about 3,000 watts of power most household microwaves are about 1,000 WTS

of power I imagine things will just take a bit longer but Torturous nonetheless and fatal nonetheless it essentially Cooks you from the inside out this is again putting it simply but just imagine all the water and likely the blood in your body starts to boil while it's inside your body it's heating up inside your body and it can't really Escape it's just vibrating causing friction causing immense heat depending on the power of the microwave a human being might live for several minutes but it won't be Painless eyes brains veins arteries internal organs are heating up

from the inside water molecules are starting to go from liquid to a gas State your body is generating steam most of the injuries will be internal and it is essentially being lit on fire but from the inside which doesn't make sense with cang's initial story that she had a seizure she collapsed onto her daughter onto the space heater and crushed her burning her to death she does not recall Because of this said seizure now it just doesn't make any sense with the injuries side note it is March in Sacramento which is a bit chilly it's

customary for mung women their mung to keep near a fire or a warm heater for a few months after giving birth and Mirabel is only 2 months old so some people even questioned why was there a space heater why were they using a space heater it wasn't cold enough for a space heater they were saying but that's why there Was a space heater on the ground right next to cang's work computer so there is one there but that doesn't make sense a microwave does not heat up objects in the same way a space heater would

if she had fallen on the space heater let's say she fell onto the space heater on her back she would have severe external burns on her back and she would not have that many internal Burns yeah and on the close right yes and mirabelle's injuries are not consistent with that one of the Officers in the investigation team States the child sustained un usual and rare thermal burns the investigation revealed that these Burns were consistent with only two or three other cases in the country with the same similar type of injuries and that was determined that

those injuries occurred as a result of being burned in a microwave so they arrive at the scene they heard the version of stories they obviously didn't believe it because it Didn't look like that and then they went back to the station and they found the other cases when did they find the microwave you say there's a The Pacifier they found it ear on but they can't you know when you find a pacifier in the microwave some people might think you're heating up the pacifier some people might think another kid maybe the sun put it in

there there's no evidence there's no blood or anything in the microwave that would indicate hey Someone was in the microwave so they didn't make that connection right away they had an inkling they had a suspicion but it wasn't enough to arrest cyang because she does have diagnosed epilepsy so it's not like her story doesn't check out completely it just doesn't make full and complete sense to the investigators they find the pacifier they bring in marabel to be autopsied her injuries are bizarre they look through all the Case Files of weird Incidents where children have turned

up with similar injuries they find those cases and they actually reach out to those forensic Pathologists that worked on those cases and they were able to say yeah this is extremely rare but these seem to be the same injuries because it's such a rare injury is how they're explaining it it's not very clear it's not like someone was stabbed or shot it's it's very bizarre mhm So within 3 months they gather Enough evidence to come in and arrest CA like I was saying the injuries are extensive baby marabel had injuries to over 80% of her

body external thermal injuries as well as second and third degree burns on approximately 56% of her body she had severe internal Burns including fourth degree radiation Burns fourth degree radiation burns are among the most severe types of burns degree burns are probably the worst Burns it's extensive damage to the skin the Underlying tissues and it reaches all the way down to the bones the burns typically people with fourth degree radiation burns are hospitalized in Burn units they need extensive care and monitoring to the point where surgery is likely required in order for them to remove

the dead tissues there's going to be a lot of dead tissues and most likely if you even survive this you're going to need physical therapy and extensive Rehabilitation just to be able to regain Mobility and function there's no way that baby Mirabel would have survived her injuries the radiation it penetrated her organs it cooked her from the inside the medical team bring in an expert microwave of an expert who bring up a few things they were able to gather that Mirabel was likely placed into a microwave on her back based on the burns additionally they

estimated that Mirabel was placed into the microwave at at least 2 to 3 minutes at minimum they Can't be exact with their time but they suspect if they had to get very very close perhaps 5 minutes is their best bet factoring in the types of burns that she had wow mind you she was only left alone with kayang for 11 minutes but their observations indicate that she likely would have passed away in 2 to 3 minutes of being in the microwave that the burns would have been fatal by that point mirabel's official cause of death

would Be thermal injuries resulting in overexposure to microwave radiation in a microwave kayang had effectively cooked little baby Mirabel on high heat that's how they describe it her insides have been described as being fried from the inside the pathologist testified that the radiation from the microwave cooked through her stomach and small intestines the investigators they sit cang and her mother down for an interview and they want to know what Happened when you were alone with that baby because you did not fall on a space heater cyang explains it was just a normal day everything was

normal she gave Mirabel a bottle and a Pacifier that morning I mean nothing was strange well nothing except there was something that was a little strange mirabel's eyes were moving back and forth they were kind of almost like if you were tracking a fly or if you're doing a drunk driving test where you Have to track side to side her eyes it's like she was following a fly left to right and that's when K checked and there was no fly K would tell the investigators it kind of scared me a bit but she tried not

to think anything too deep into it because she believed in God okay what is going on here the investigators are so intrigued by this this was not the line of questioning they thought they were going to go down wait why so she saw the baby looking Left and right like looking at a fly yes flying around but she thought it's okay because she believe in God yes there was no fly so it kind of freaked her out a little bit like what is she looking at okay okay cuz I guess to her she's had multiple

children and she's never seen babies 2 months old track like that um cuz I guess babies will only look at certain objects that are moving around and even then I don't know if they do that well at 2 months old so sounds like She's getting freaked out that's why she mentioned God I see and she's like I'm getting freaked out but I looked there's nothing there there's no fly but that's fine because I believe in God listen I don't know that's what she's saying and the investigators are also like what is going on I don't

understand now K doesn't necessarily change her story per se but she starts adding to it in a subsequent interview with both cang and her mom they both bring up the words Speak spirits and possessions for the average interrogator that is sending off massive alarm Bells what do you mean by that are you saying that the spirits made you do it is that what we're doing because that's a whole different story that's a whole different defense honestly what are you saying exactly the spirit called me so I had a seizure before the seizure Mirabel was moving

her eyes back and forth looking at something she was crying and spitting Out her pacifier what was she looking at the spirit and Demon together through cang and her husband's statements the authorities gathered that cang's new version of events included her seeing a Caucasian demon or Spirit outside staring at her and Mirabel through the window so suddenly they're like okay you're seeing spirits they're saying the baby seeing Spirit or she's seeing Spirit she's saying the baby's Eyes were moving around like she's following a spirit then she looked out the window and there was a Caucasian

demon staring at them what is what the investigators are gathering now it's reported that cang told her husband that the spirit was walking around outside the house and wanted their baby but as quickly as they come to this new found story it starts getting backtracked and clarified if you will cang states that she never stated the spirit made her do Anything she does not have a history of talking to Spirits or demons or taking direction from them then it's further clarified that cang was not talking about the spirits that the investigators believe she was referring

to in M culture many people believe epilepsy is when a spirit invades the body a seizure is the spirit taking over if you will H okay cang's husband clarifies to the investigators that he himself is not one of those people he thinks it's all he's also monk he implies that cang is the same cang and her husband are both members of the LDS church so he's like we don't believe in Shamanism we don't believe in the spirit taking over your body during a seizure it's all and at least according to K husband he seems very

adverse to all of it he doesn't seem like he believes in it at all so this is getting weirder they're saying oh no no no when we were saying the spirit was happening it we're Talking about the seizure that's just how among people talk about seizures is the argument okay so it's getting very confusing I think for the investigators but also the general public to kind of decipher so if you guys are among please let me know in the comments I tried to do as much digging as possible to get some background information I did

find some that we're going to go into but it's just getting more and more complex First it's epilepsy a seizure a space heater but now it's wait are we talking about this is just the verbiage used or are we talking literal Spirits What's Happening Here I see this isn't making sense so the court doc has sprinkles of mentions of spirits in it it's a bit vague in the court documents for some reason but it does seem that after mirabel's death there's a 3-month period like I said where Kut is not arrested and she's at home

with her family it's Elric that she had a priest come in and there were some concerns that the house was built on a cemetery who had concern the priest had the concern it seems like Ka or her family had concerns so now the police are like who wait you said it was just kind of a way of speaking but now you're bringing in a priest and asking if this house was built on a cemetery which makes us believe that you believe in spirits so Now we're even more confused authorities state that Yang allegedly told her

mom we live on a cemetery we can't tell them the truth they will think we're crazy there's evidence question mark I don't know how they allegedly got this alleged conversation but the investigators they take it very seriously because in one interview cang's brother does state that the authorities straight up asked him hey do you guys do human sacrifices which is Kind of a crazy qu no they don't it's a crazy question to ask they just asked me a question like about uh you know how we do Shaman Shaman you know they so they'll ask me

do we have sacrifice human you know people you know and then I told him that you know if that if if you I told we don't sacrifice uh people you know I said we do we use animals and I told him if he didn't you know if he didn't like it you know I could go like go find Elders that do it could explain To him so he you know he didn't really like like it so you know I just walked out out his office now there are some some arguments that all of this is

just Lost in Translation that some of the cultural context is lost on the investigators which makes all of this more complicated the prosecution actually belied these types of behaviors to be in line with someone who might be suffering from undiagnosed postpartum psychosis someone who has all of this Cultural background of believing in spirits now she's 2 months into alleged postpartum psychosis and she starts believing these Spirits are real and they think she was in a state of psychosis and killed her child in a micro W whereas these types of conversations might not be so serious

to someone of M background so it's it's it's complicated of how much of it is cultural insensitivity and how much of it is truth we don't know so for example There's a whole book written about this but there was this little girl in America her name is Leah she's m what's the book it it's called The Spirit catches you and you fall down is the name of the book and it's about a little girl named Leah she's m she lives in America she's diagnosed with severe epilepsy so this book is about how the doctors are

struggling to understand her parents and the parents don't understand the doctors it talks about how in M Culture seizures are caused by your soul leaving your body which translates to the title of the book The Spirit catches you and you fall down many M people see illness and healing as spiritual matters they think that your spirit has been harmed or sick first and your physical body is the secondary reaction to it almost so you need to heal that Spirit first and heal within almost Western medicine works in the complete opposite way so for example in

this book Specifically the doctor keeps prescribing anti-convulsants for the child the parents opt to do traditional medicine and they don't feed her the anti-convulsants it becomes a whole thing where the doctors get CPS involved the baby gets taken away from the parents and it angers a lot of people because at the end of the day no one cares about that little girl as much as the parents do they just don't believe in same things that the doctors believe In it's a tricky situation of I think most people come out of the book not knowing who's

right cuz when someone has a complete our belief in Western medicine is probably as strong as their belief in traditional medicine so it's very hard to argue the book talks about how in M culture having seizures is almost associated with having a special intuition you're more spiritually connected because your spirit is leaving your body every now and then which Actually makes people with epilepsy great traditional healers side note M Shamanism is all about healing so there's a huge emphasis on healing and it's an honor to be a Healer you're helping everyone around you and it's

fascinating because little Leah's parents in the book they approach baby Leah's seizures with a mix of concern for their daughter but also Pride that she's almost chosen to be a Healer which is very honorable but the book points Out all the cultural insensitivities held by the hospital and the doctors because had they been a bit more culturally sensitive I think this could have gone a completely different way they could have better helped the parents understand why she needed the medication so in this case people are wondering is this happening again are the police taking things

too literally without factoring in the cultural aspects of how M culture sees seizures And they're like oh she said Spirits she said possession she said she saw a spirit outside she's possess she has psychosis whereas in M culture it might be I saw a spirit outside indicating I saw a white flash I Delta seizure come on so most people who have seizures they can feel it coming things kind of get Warped a few seconds maybe even a few minutes in so maybe that's just how she describes it but it's not literally I saw a demon

outside my window right I See I see so her it could literally mean that she's telling them that oh I'm having a seizure I could feel a seizure coming and then I had a seizure and the seizure is associated with her spirit coming out of her body and spirits being involved right and she's just describing it the way that she knows best to describe it but they're like whoo Spirit you saw a demon outside you have psychosis lady right right so it's just a matter of yeah it's really they have To understand that to make

a fair judgment on what they're trying to say now she could very well be in a state of psychosis I don't know right but it's just a matter of how much of it is misinterpreted right eventually cyang will state that she does not believe in her epilepsy being controlled by spirits she's like I was is just the verbiage is known in the culture so she's arguing no no you're getting it all wrong she also argues she would never hurt her daughter She's been trying to have a daughter for 2 years after having three sons she

prayed every single day for a daughter why would she harm her daughter it's got to be the seizure something happened with the seizure she's trying to explain to them that she's had seizures for such a long time I mean since she was she's 29 at the time of the killing since she was 13 14 her first seizure was at her uncle's house and it was very clearly traumatic everyone hoped it would be a One-time incident but she was diagnosed with epilepsy since then she had suffered about 100 seizures for the next 15 years which is

about 6 to 7 every single year or once every two months wow she states she's on anti-seizure medication it's not like she's in denial trying to keep having seizures but it's not working side note I will say that does seem common approximately 30 to 40% of people with epilepsy are are resistant to medications it happens for A wide variety of reasons perhaps the patient is not consistent with taking the medication or initially they respond well but they build a tolerance the dosage could be too low or some medications are just simply not effective and there

are different types of seizures so if you have multiple types of seizures the medication might not work for all of them but first a seizure is when you essentially have abnormal electrical discharges in the Brain think of your brain like a a big computer and sometimes the computer gets mixed up and starts sending way too many signals at once imagine opening up all of the apps on your computer at the same time simultaneously it's going to go into overdrive overheat and probably shut down that is a seizure and not each seizure is the same I

think most of us picture the type of seizure that's depicted more often in movies or in media where someone falls to the ground And they start convulsing but there's a lot of other types of seizures there's focal seizures where it just affects one part of the brain one part of the brain almost zaps it has an overwork that's how it's described on Reddit by people who have epilepsy you just feel part of your body feel very strange your hand tingles or you hear things that don't exist I wouldn't say it's auditory hallucinations I wouldn't say

you're hearing voices but you're hearing Buzzing weird noises frequency noises and sometimes you know what happening sometimes you don't know what it's happening you're just like oh that was weird why did my body do that then there are generalized seizures they will also have subd distinctions if you will absent seizures it's like your brain takes a tiny nap you just stop and stare for a few seconds but you likely won't shake or have body Tremors you might not even know it just happened you just take A mini nap with your eyes open then there's simple

partial seizures this seizure only affects a specific portion of the brain for example it will cause your hands to shake uncontrollably but the patient does not lose full cont Consciousness the whole body is not convulsing either but it's you definitely don't feel there some people describe it as similar to being on drugs that's what it feels like you can't control your body your memory feels a Little bit weird Everything feels a little bit wonky some people describe it as after those types of seizures it just feels like deja vu it's weird it's just weird I

don't know what happened it's weird I don't feel comfortable then you have complex partial seizures this is where some body shaking happens but also a partial loss of consciousness meaning you're likely not going to remember what you're doing but you're not going to be knocked out on the Ground okay people describe it as patients looking incredibly dazed or confused or having a blink stare that lasts for a minute or two they're there they're conscious technically kind of but they're not really most of the time they don't remember anything that happened during that period with this

type of seizure patients could potentially still walk around and perform very simple tasks almost on autopilot I'm talking very simply but Almost repetitive movements smacking lips chewing swallowing picking up objects seems to be something people do getting undressed picking out clothes like they're removing lint or mumbling or occasionally people will get up and move around go up and down the stairs or perform very routine stuff like moving objects moving items around but you can't sit down and start typing on Instagram you can't like type out an email it's just very motor oriented Muscle memory type

of movements the best way some people have described it is kind of like sleepwalking you're not going to respond to emails while you're sleepwalking most of the time but you might do muscle memory things like por coffee they are typically not aware of their movements once the seizure passes they have no idea what they just did wow so they could have been walking up and down the stairs taking off their clothes and then when they come too they're like I don't know why I'm naked upstairs in the bedroom I don't know how I got up

here last I remember I was on the couch then you have the grand M the tonic clonic seizures this is usually a total loss of consciousness this is I think what most people picture if they've never witnessed or had a seizure the patient will quote collapse stiffen jerk and they might bite their tongue foam at the mouth and empty their bladder this type of seizure typically lasts 1 to 2 Minutes but because of how intense and traumatic they are for anyone to witness people will typically overstate the length of this type of seizure which is

what Kang's family does they say it lasts about 5 minutes but that's very normal now each patient with epilepsy can have more than one type of seizure so it's not limited to oh each condition requires just one type of seizure you could have two or three and you never know which one is coming next It's not like in a pattern but it doesn't really change over time so within 3 years you typically don't get a new type of seizure meaning each patient tends to have the same seizures over and over and over again we got

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lifetime membership for 50% off visit rosettastone.com roton that's 50 % off unlimited access to 25 language courses for the rest of your life redeem your 50% off at rosettastone.com roton [Music] today cang and her family state that she had a few different types of seizures in almost all of them she has no Recollection no memory of what happened during her seizure she could be standing sitting doesn't matter the first thing she'll notice is her hands start to curl up her body or certain parts of her body start to shake very slowly then she only knows

what people tell her because around this point she blacks out her eyes will roll to the back of her head she makes these intense painful groaning and moaning noises and within a few minutes she'll finally come to and Realize she's on the floor or she's passed out on the couch the only indications that she has that she suffered a seizure are she had bitten down on her tongue so hard she can now taste blood or her tongue is so swollen she can barely talk or other times she loses control over her bladder and she'll wake

up in a giant wet puddle her head will also start throbbing like it's going to explode and her body feels so sore the way she describes it it feels Like she climbed up a massive tree in the backyard and then just let go just fell from the top of the tree she's out for typically 2 minutes but most of the people who have witnessed cang seizures say yeah there's no way that she could really do much during them she definitely can't work on her computer or drive right after it's just not possible they argue she

doesn't walk around or do anything after the seizure typically whoever is around will try to get her to Sit down or lay down it's very clear that she feels very dazed and very low energy because after a seizure there's what they call the haze phase by people who have epilepsy it's called the postictal period but it's you're not really there right now it takes about 30 minutes sometimes for someone to reboot their brain essentially they might not even remember most of the hazy phase some people say they don't remember like an hour during the seizure

the seizure And then the hazy face they're like I don't remember any of that but they are like doing things like they're still hazy face you're usually conscious oh you're usually conscious but I guess your brain is not I don't know if it's something with the hippocampus and you're not forming these memories actively so not like fully yes so a lot of people who even have the grand M seizures the tonic clonics where they're completely unconscious even when they Awake there's maybe 10 to 20 minutes where they don't remember anything even though they're awake I

see and everyone is like are you okay they don't remember any of that and then 20 minutes later they're like wait what just happened I don't and they're like we told you for the past 20 minutes you had a seizure wow they say it takes cat about 3 to 4 hours just to recover to the point where she quote regains her sensus which this part is interesting because nobody saw Kat in that state that day even before the authorities are called V the brother-in-law gets home he notices cyang and her mom hovered over the baby

freaking out he was gone for literally 15 minutes he had walked out to pick up the Suns saw his sister- andlaw on the computer working walked out and when he walked back in all hell had broken loose V was the one that called the police but he did notice something that just wasn't clicking his sister-in-law Ka was acting A bit different compared to all the other times he's ever seen her have a seizure she was even able to listen to 911 operator's instructions on how to give CPR she performed mouth to mouth while V did

the chest compressions again just not what he usually saw when she had a seizure she's standing she's alert she's making eye contact and seems fairly calm not at all days he can't even really recall if she seemed disoriented or not but he knew that she Was responding and answering to his questions in those moments nothing suggested to VA that his sister-in-law just had a seizure but you could argue that's sure normally she's dazed but right now is not the time because normally when she comes out of a seizure her kids are safe but adrenaline might

take over in that state she could be acting abnormally because this is an abnormal situation that she's in so each side has pretty Good arguments I wouldn't be able to say which one is more valid if you guys have epilepsy or have ever dealt with seizures I think it would be more enlightening to read your comments about it I don't know if VA himself is skeptical because he does go on to state that cang is a loving mother who would never harm her children on purpose but that's just what he tells authorities he observed that

day it was not aligned with how he remembers K to behave after Seizures authorities however don't have the same sympathy as V do they are very very skeptical about all of this the First Responders that arrived at the scene minutes after 911 was called they stated from their very limited observations of cang nothing suggested to them that they that she had suffered a seizure recently other than her telling them that she did one officer said cang kept repeating she had a seizure and didn't know what happened But they noted she was alert standing making eye

contact she did not appear to be confused or disoriented one of the officers that spoke with cang right after Mirabel was pronounced dead states that she actually appeared quote fairly calm she did not appear to be in a weakened state or in a physically exhausted state but that could be due to shock that's what the officer says it could be due to shock now they all note that they did not smell urine but they Also didn't check her clothes for urine and it could be argued that fresh urine isn't as smelly or as strong incent

especially if they're in a house that just had a baby be microwav to death and just a lot of kids in general that smell might not have stood out to them as oh she urinated on herself but what I think is more telling is they never noticed any tongue injuries on cang's tongue but also I don't know if they even checked and maybe she was able to communicate Better once the police got there that's one thing that a lot of neens are upset about after Mirabelle was pronounced dead why wasn't cang given medical attention because

if she had suffered a seizure she needs medical attention and let's say she hadn't suffered a seizure it would have been so much easier for the prosecution to show evidence there's no way she had a seizure because she had been evaluated by medical professionals right after mhm but they didn't the First Responders and the officers they do admit they breached protocol by not assessing her medical condition at that point wow okay but eventually it's been reported that Kai even admitted to the authorities that she could not have suffered a seizure during that time because she

didn't fall down you say she admitted that yes but there's questions about all of this she admits it but keep in mind there's two ways to take this some people think whoa She just admitted consciously to knowing that she did not have a seizure she just admitted it but what the defense argues is she's clearly disoriented when she's responding to some of the questions she never received medical attention and she's saying whatever the authorities want her to say she seemed like she was in a slightly confused state of I guess what they're arguing is likely

what she responded was well yeah typically I do collapse so I guess that Doesn't make sense either all of this is confusing is more so what they're trying to say she was implying the authorities do admit that near the end of questioning K did appear confused so in the beginning when they get there she seems pretty clear and then she starts slowly getting very disoriented and she straight up tells them it it's just that after my seizure my brain keeps hurting from a couple hours before it gets back to Normal the defense argued see this

is her just saying whatever the police are suggesting because she's clearly confused which might explain what comes next the next version of events according to cang is that no she did not have a seizure but she does have did this is from the defense team no this is from kayang before she I guess would turn it up wow she states that she has a quote split personality and maybe alter did this because she has no recollection Of any of these events this part has been argued both ways by people one group of people who believe

she's doing everything she can just to find anything that sticks maybe this way she can try and get an insanity plea another group of people who believe this girl is so desperate to make sense of what's going on and what happened that she's offering up any solution and explanation because wouldn't it be in her best interest to not say all of this to just keep going With the seizure but she some people see it as she's so frantic she's so confused she's like maybe it was this I don't know maybe it was this I don't

know maybe it was this nothing's making sense I don't know maybe it's all of these things she seems they think she seems like she's coming from a place of trying to make sense of what happened regardless of which side you're on so far it is up to the jury to decide what's going to happen to cang the Defenses argument goes as follows that day cang was holding Mirabel at her desk while working all of a sudden her head starts throbbing the ache in her body becomes un bearable her tongue feels swollen and then nothing she

doesn't remember anything from that point forward she had a seizure kayang says I never thought that with my seizures I would lose my little girl so the defense is saying forget the did forget the spirits what happened is she had a Seizure and she microwaved her baby so they're dropping the space heater they're dropping the spirits they're dropping everything and the defense is saying she had a seizure and she microwaved her baby she had a seizure and then in a very unconscious or sem State she did this action yes she didn't know what she was

doing but she microwaved her baby she did do the actions she just didn't know she was doing that because she had a seizure Cang stated I never thought that with my seizures I would lose my little girl she states she never had any sort of fear of even dropping her kids if she was holding them when a seizure came on she claims she does not remember what happened during the incident just that she was at her computer desk end quote when I got up my little girl was not breathing they also argued that cang has

two types of seizures yes the one where she goes completely unconscious and she Falls to the ground convulsing but also she has another one and people who know her have reported yes I've seen these types where they call it a quote fast seizure that's what her friends and family call it she could be sitting on the couch she's not passed out her body doesn't shake too much but when she comes to she doesn't remember a single thing that happened her eyes are open she just looks very dazed she looks like she's very out of it

mhm and if you're Talking to her you want to be like hello are you there what happened did you just hear me and she does not remember the defense's main argument is that either she had one of those seizures where she could still be moving around and she could be doing things in an automatic way or she had a clonic tonic where she did fall to the ground fall unconscious but she awoke in a hazy period And in that hazy period She microwaved her baby so they're saying because nobody Assessed her medically we don't know

which one but it seems like either way it's completely a result of her seizure that's what they're arguing but at the same time the expert that testified on behalf of the defense the doctor he does admit it is an alarming number of buttons that needed to be pressed on the microwave to make it run for 5 minutes he said it would indeed be remarkably rare for a mother to put her baby in the oven and turn it on it would be like two Comets colliding so her having a seizure than her placing the baby in

the microwave wow he States quote just absolutely incredible in terms of the odds of it happening they do admit that it would yeah just be very odd for a woman to put her baby in the microwave in that state but it wouldn't be the most rare thing for a person with a partial complex seizure to operate a microwave but the defense attorney points out well listen To the testimonies of people who have witnessed kayang having these seizures they all state that afterwards they need to help her lay down or make her sit down indicating that

Ka would try to get up as an automatic response it seems like she tries to move around quickly after seizures if nobody is there to persuade her not to what would she do they also point out the fact that cang has never tried to hurt anyone during the time that she's had close to 100 Seizures so their argument being it's not like she just had a seizure and is suddenly inclined to become violent there's some nzen arguments that I don't think were brought into court not that I think nettisan arguments should be brought into court

like hey did you guys know a nettisan said but they don't even argue the concepts that the neens are arguing I'm sure they have their own reasons but a lot of neens wonder if setting the microwave for 5 minutes is a Very normal thing for K to do repeatedly is that something like muscle memory does she have a dish that she cooks every day that requires 5 minutes in the microwave does she defrost meat by just putting it in the microwave for 5 minutes perhaps she was trying to warm up some baby milk and she

believed she was putting water into the microwave for a few seconds but it ended up being 5 minutes which is a very long time to heat water but that could explain a bit More but there's been no statements made of how she warmed up bottles or what she ate or how she used the microwave on a daily basis but that I think could explain if she was doing something as a muscle memory mhm the defense mainly just argues Kaa has no history of child abuse she has no criminal record she wasn't in a bad mood

that day she actually had so much help her brother-in-law was picking up the kids from school her mom is right outside if She ever felt overwhelmed by Mirabel why would she just not reach out to them by all accounts C was a loving Mom that's their argument that there is nothing to indicate that she had anything but maternal feelings towards all of her children including two-month-old Mirabel a family spokesperson argued she didn't know what she was doing she's a gentle nice woman she would never intentionally harm her child her mind was out of reality her

lawyer argues she suffers From epilepsy she had an epileptic seizure it was not deliberate conduct the defense team argues that it appears to be intentional conduct because the nature of the seizures but quote but the truth is her actions are sort of automatic it's robotic it's not the product of careful and rational thought because also if she wanted to kill her kid would she do it when there's so much going on when she knows that the brother-in-law is about to walk in Through the front door in a few seconds her mom is out in the

backyard is this really the timing they also argued that technically cang does not fit The Stereotype of the overworked overwhelmed mom they argue because she has epilepsy her siblings would come to live with her in the past to help out including her husband's siblings which is why VA is staying there and since cang didn't like to drive it's too dangerous they would drive the kids to school MH and to show You how serious her seizures are the defense brings up that just a week before mirabel's death cang woke up in the hospital very confused very

disoriented with no recollection of what just happened she didn't know what was going on she didn't know why she was in the hospital in fact most of the times after seizures she really is confused why there's paramedics she doesn't even recognize that they're here for her they state that she had been driving and Suffered from a seizure the only thing she stated she remembered was remembering the feeling of seeing someone right in front of her now I don't believe that there was someone right in front of her or perhaps they moved out the way because

I couldn't find any additional information on this incident I imagine if she hit a pedestrian or somebody else was involved in the Collision it would have been referenced a lot more in the court Docks But it is interesting that she states she saw someone before that seizure as well so keep that in mind but the main focus here is she was confused she woke up in the hospital with no memory this is something that happens because of her seizures the defense argues that the entire time since the authorities showed up to the house nobody would

listen to her she told them repeatedly she suffered from a seizure nobody believed her nobody got her medical attention Which is exactly what they did about her pregnancy what 3 months after the death of Mirabel cang was arrested and she was pregnant at the time of her arrest the defense claims just like the epilepsy issue when cang was arrested when she was in jail she repeatedly stated that she's pregnant but they took over a week to get the pregnancy test done and confirmed that yes indeed she is pregnant and requires special attention the prosecution argues

all the Opposite points they rely on the fact that nobody believes that cang suffered a seizure that day at least no one on the prosecutor's side they think that she's using her epilepsy as an excuse they argue her seizure are so severe that she wouldn't even be able to use a microwave the point about cang not liking to drive that's another indicator the prosecution feels like that shows she's incapable of doing much When She's suffering from a seizure it's stated That cang seizures would be so bad like I said she'd be so confused when paramedics

show up and she has no recollection so how is she so alert and aware when the authorities show up in addition to that one thing that stands out to investigators is kayang shows almost no emotion during the investigation the day of of mirabel's death they say it's just odd behavior sure you could have had a seizure but you're not too disoriented from Answering most of the questions in a way that's coherent but your emotions feel very cold she seems calm the officer questioning her does State yeah it could be shock but the prosecutors do note

it the prosecution do hire a neurologist Dr David he has a specialty in epilepsy and they just want him to testify at first now when he first goes over all the case files he writes that he does not think that the prosecution should prosecute for murder he wrote that there is enough Possibility probability really that kayang may have suffered from a seizure but once he's given a more accurate quote precise timeline he changes his mind he said yeah no this does not make sense because there's only an 11-minute time span that all of this takes

place at 1:58 p.m. cang was using her computer for work something that she would not be able to do during her seizure even in the hazy phase after the seizure so that means she had her seizure right after Because her brother-in-law leaves around that time yeah then she wakes up from the seizure places her baby in the microwave performs a semi complex action of pushing at least three buttons to start the microwave then took the baby out brought the baby to her mother while appearing to be panicked yet mostly coherent by 2:10 p.m. so he's

saying even if she did this in her hazy period the hazy period should last longer than this right right Right right I see he said it does not make sense he states that after each seizure there is a poal hazy period which lasts anywhere between 10 to 20 maybe even 30 minutes where it's just very uncommon for people to perform complex actions such as use a microwave operate a computer but even if they do do that it would be very difficult for her to snap out of it and now answer these questions very coherently tell

her brother-in-law what happened call the Police perform mouth to mouth right but then again how many instances are there where mothers have to snap out of it because the adrenaline of their kid potentially dying so it's just kind of a bit of a confusing situation now after reviewing the precise timeline where this all takes place within 11 minutes Dr David decides to testify for the prosecution another reason that Dr David probably testified is the exact microwave that Was used in their house it's suggested by the microwave expert judging from mirabel's Burns that she was in

there for 5 minutes they're trying to figure out how many keystrokes how many buttons does it get to set it for 5 minutes to have the microwave run for that long they try all sorts of methods and the most obvious is pressing 5 Z and then start so four buttons If you press just start nothing happens if you press five and start you get 5 seconds if you do 5 Z and start you get 50 seconds there is an add a minute button which you would have to press five times to get to 5 minutes

the quickest way they state that you can get to 5 minutes is three button presses baked potato baked potato start M they are saying every single press is a lot for someone who's uh in that stage yeah it's very it's very complex actions they're describing it now I'm curious as to which make and model the microwave is because I wonder Some microwaves you can do a long press on a number and instead of seconds they do minutes yeah I'm sure they've that's what I'm saying yeah I feel like they must have but or some microwaves

have presets but I didn't see mentions of any of that from the defense which I feel like they well actually I don't know if they would have brought up I also Imagine the baby will be crying I was thinking that too right for minutes yeah even now the prosecution Believes that if it's not a seizure which they don't believe her to be in a seizure at that point then it must be postpartum depression and perhaps psychosis Mirabel was born just 2 months ago and statistically speaking postpartum is most commonly observed within the first 3 months

after child birth they argued that sure there's no rule book on who's more likely to get postpartum but there are some things to look out for and it could be reasonable That cang had postpartum that's what they're arguing their belief is that Ka was frustrated that day with Mirabel she's postpartum she's on the verge of snapping she's potentially having a bit of psychosis she's seeing spirits and demons outside the window a Caucasian demon and that particular day they argue marabel was more fussy than normal this is is the morning schedule I mean think about how

overwhelming this is while you're dealing with all these complex Hormonal changes of postpartum but also potentially seeing spirits the morning starts at 5:00 a.m. cang has to go online to work by 6:00 a.m. they got to get Mirabel out of bed at 7:00 a.m. change her diaper because she's crying then you glance over at one point and you see that the three sons are awake and playing video games before school she states such has to scold the kids to put down the games and go get ready for school the boys don't listen to her Instead

one of them sneaks over to play with Mirabelle on the ground around and then now she's screaming hey be gentle with her please like don't be so rough take a shower she's got to go back to work on her computer and while she's glancing around she's walking around picking up after the boys she walks into the bathroom and sees that one of her sons has spilled water out of the tub while getting ready and he's still not listening he's back to playing with Mirabel and not getting ready for school she grabs Mirabel from her son

puts her in the bouncy chair has to get started on breakfast she's checking her computer periodically because she can't get a good session in with work since Mirabel keeps crying she wants to eat which means she has now get the bottle ready then the pacifier VA the brother-in-law is helping out here and there cos mom is over in the back but she's mainly outside but still the prosecutors argue It's totally normal for a mom with postpartum and potentially psychosis to feel overwhelmed and frustrated in this state in this environment and maybe that triggered something she's

overstressed overstimulated constantly running after her kids and they believe in this moment she killed her child she would not have been the first mother to have done that nor will she be the last to we start taking postpartum seriously the prosecution brings up privileged medical Files to prove their point which does become a bit of an issue later but August 2011 a few months after mirabel's death K does admit to a doctor quote there were voices talking in her head and she would try to cope with them by pushing them out and not paying attention

to them she said sometimes it was successful other times it felt like someone kept coming up behind her she stated to her doctor that she told her husband and priest about this and they Said that she was only in her head about it and just not to pay it attention she said after mirabel's birth she wasn't eating much she had an increase in quote auditory hallucinations is how the doctor describes it as well as an increase in seizures but she didn't align with postpartum depression she said after her daughter's death the seizures and hallucinations decreased

but she felt more depressed she said she didn't tell anyone about the auditory Hallucinations because she was scared everyone would label her as C you she feel more depressed yes so she's saying before she killed Mar she was having more seizures she was hearing stuff but she didn't feel depressed right after mirabel's death she's having less seizures she's not hearing much but she feels very depressed she doesn't really describe in death what the auditory hallucinations were saying but on one occasion she does State that she heard a voice telling her hey I'm back but that's

it what no other quote interactions if you will another thing that the investigators point out is the fact that cang stated in the initial interview the day of the incident she went out back to the back of the house to look for her mom because she was panicked they thought it was strange that she didn't look for VA who would likely already be in the house and be very alert and ready to assist unless She was conscious enough to see him leave but Kay's mom would argue that she never actually came to the back she

went into the kitchen and cang's mom was the one that opened the back door to get inside they argue actually the fact that cang states that she went out back looking for her mom is another show that she has no idea what she's saying she's not in her right mind personally I think both sides have their little arguments of everything else but this argument Seems a bit moot point I feel like if something were to be wrong with a little two-month old baby I would look for my mom rather than my brother-in-law mhm but this

becomes a huge point of contention for both parties for some odd reason in the end the prosecution argued that the jury should find Cayenne guilty as she cooked her baby on high heat like a piece of meat there are a few theories with this case because this case is weird There doesn't seem to be malicious intent it does not appear to be that this is a cleancut case of overwhelmed mom postpartum she's upset she's shaking her baby cuz she's so frustrated there doesn't seem to be signs of that so it's just confusing what actually happened

so people have come up with a few theories the first Theory being that cang is telling the truth and she did suffer a seizure and likely does not remember what happened afterwards that's why her Story keeps changing she was able not to be so dazed and confused when she came to because her daughter's life is on the line and people state that you just cannot underestimate a mother's Adrenaline Rush when she notices and feels that her daughter is about to die those who think that she did not do this on purpose point to a few

things that don't make sense cang was scolding her son earlier for playing so roughly with Mirabel why would she do that if she's So overwhelmed and stressed and doesn't care for her kids she just cared about getting work done on her computer would she even notice and would she even scold her son for that and why not just hand the baby over to your family members that are inside the house if you're that overwhelmed there's also a lot of evidence that people have done very strange things while suffering from a seizure some netizens online have

spoken about their seizures and they said I Usually lose about 10 to 20 minutes I record my focals when I can because I have this very Deja Vu feeling that comes over and I need to remember recording but I will have zero memory of all of this and no memory of the 10 and 20 minutes that I'm responsive after the seizure people could be asking me questions I don't remember another one States I never remember much of anything this last Sunday I had eight seizures and the entire day complete blank to me Wow one nison

States I've been told I made scrambled eggs during my seizure yeah and I also messed up my knee another neon States my mom found me trying to climb into our Cutlery drawer and the next day we found all the cutlery behind our sofa so I must have put the cutlery there to make room for myself in the drawer wow so a lot can happen yes and it doesn't seem coherent either cuz I'm assuming this person would not do this When they're not suffering from a seizure right right right like try to climb into a dra

like that doesn't make like sense with the functioning conscious it's it feels very abnormal you might not just do muscle memory things is what some of these anecdotal pieces of evidence show now another person States I once had a seizure at home and broke a plate and then when I was still extremely loopy I I hid the pieces of a plate in a box in my room Because I didn't want to get in trouble with my mom so during her seizure she's conscious enough to to hide these things and she says I live alone I

was in the shower my boyfriend had called the paramedics I'm standing there naked with the shower off after a full-blown seizure they're trying to hand me clothes to help me get dressed and what do I do I kept trying to be helpful so I was repeatedly folding the clothes and handing them back to the Paramedics I of course call none of that but my boyfriend said there were like three ambulances worth of paramedics in our living room and they had to keep swapping out of who was trying to get me dressed because they were laughing

so hard and I just kept doing it wow a lot of people with epilepsy seem to agree that you can do very strange things during a seizure I don't know I think that's why this case it's very hard for me to have an opinion I I Mean I try not to have an opinion on most cases but for this one entirely because I've never had a seizure it sounds at first glance if I know nothing about seizures it sounds incredible it sounds I don't believe it but then once I start reading about it I'm like

wow okay it weird stuff does happen so it seems that most people with epilepsy do agree that strange things can happen during a seizure but the prosecutors do not believe it to be Possible then there's the more unhinged Theory where they've taken out the seizures and replaced it with I guess the spirits and demons so Dr Resnik the psychiat that's testifying for the defense he stated it doesn't make sense for cang to kill her child there's only a few reasons why a mother would kill her child according to his research he believes each reason can

be somewhat categorized into five one an unwanted child two revenge against their spouse Three overzealous discipline four psychosis Andor a similar mental Affliction and five altruism so the defense has been arguing that psychosis is is the motive which she's not exactly in a state of psychosis but stating that she was in a state of confusion and delirium after her seizure so she harmed her child without noticing but one nzen on a Chinese Forum actually commented something that a few people found very fascinating the fifth motive altruism The idea that a mother is saving her child

from a fate worse than death that's what that category symbolizes the nison theorizes that maybe it's a combination of everything again this is just a theory I do think it's one of the more unhinged theories but they argue what if it's a little bit of everything the lingering cultural belief that she maybe doesn't particularly believe in but is always around her that a seizure is her spirit leaving her body maybe There's a bit of undiagnosed postpartum there and cang's own complicated feelings towards her seizures and epilepsy they theorize that perhaps the mentioning of mirabel's eyes

moving back and forth may be caught in that very strange mental state believe that Mirabelle was seeing a spirit and if that's the case all of the other verbage that she might have been surrounded by with seizures being connected to Spirits she thought her daughter was going to Have seizures later in life cuz seizures are also genetic and having lived with the past 15 years with seizures and living the complexities of that this nzen theorizes it could have been possible that cang wanted to save her daughter from that fate cang did mention to authorities that

she had thoughts of self- exiting when she was younger because of her seizure but she knows she cannot even entertain those thoughts because her Children need her the nzen argues this Theory also confirms the fact that cang has been nothing but a great mother to her kids up until this point not that what she did is right but it may align more or less with her wanting to protect her kids in some sense wow yeah I think they point out the fact that it's just her talking about mirabelle's eyes and even noticing that and bringing

it up seems like she put some focus into it because I'm sure so much happened that Day but her to keep that focus on the eyes moving back and forth seems a bit strange right but it is a wild Theory then lastly you have the theory that either kayang was suffering from postpartum a seizure a combination of everything and she killed her baby and she should be found guilty of murder I which I don't know enough about this case or epilepsy or even really postpartum psychosis to form an adequate opinion but I don't know if

this Theory Makes as much sense when you really keep looking into it mainly because she could have reached out to her mom that was outside so unless it's confirmed she's having hallucinations and was suffering from a state of psychosis I just can't wrap my head around her just being frustrated and overwhelmed and wanting her baby to stop crying there's no indication that Mirabel was being extra fussy that morning and on top of that postpartum psychosis is a pretty pretty Strong thing people will notice it they say it's very rare for people to not have inklings

of it so unless all her family is deciding to not say anything at all it just you might not identify it as postpartum psychosis you'll typically yeah you'll be like ooh okay something is going on here something very strange is going on here but in the end cang was found guilty of first-degree murder and assault on a child resulting in death she was sentenced to 25 years to life Cang's attorney stated after the verdict were just very appointed and believe it was the wrong verdict justice was not served today this is such a tragedy this

child was a victim of Missy's epilepsy of her disease it was not deliberate conduct on behalf of Miss Yang in prison cang has given birth to a baby girl who is now under the care of her father along with her three brothers while she's in prison cang's sister died from a Seizure while kayang was in prison so it does seem like yeah the family argued it's very clear that both the daughters have very very serious conditions the defense has appealed the verdict and their main appeal is based on the fact that mirabel's pediatrician so the

baby's doctor testified during the trial for the prosecution I'm not coming for the doctor I don't think it's the doctor's fault I think if anyone told me to testify or be on the stand in regards To a baby dying I would do it but the prosecutors were not technically legally right in the fact that they asked her to testify so it's the prosecution's fault the main reason being the same doctor that's on the stand testifying for the prosec talking about all the symptoms of postpartum depression psychosis is the same doctor that screened kayang for postpartum

depression and determined that she was negative okay sure many of the tests are Not accurate and moms are really great at masing their pain and emotions because that's what society makes them do but legally speaking you can see how it's a weird pickle to be in imagine if your doctor screened you negative for tapeworms but is suddenly on the stand talking about how tapeworms can impact your decision-making but you're like you're the one that screened me negative for tapeworms so how can you talk about it as if I have tapeworms when you are The doctor

that does that make sense it's just weird yeah yeah well how did that happen like I do think um cang's case is a situation where I don't know if her attorney was the best I don't know if her defense was the best I I feel like they could have brought in way better experts to testify for epilepsy and the weird behaviors that can be conducted during a seizure but it just seems very messy so right now it sounds like it's kind of confusing on What exactly happened yeah and the defense team argued that the prosecutor

failed to provide sufficient evidence that kayang was diagnosed or even exhibited symptoms of postpartum psychosis so they keep so they're arguing about the postpartum but then they were they're proving that no she does not have therefore she's first-degree murder yes so for example no that's okay basically the process prosecution is saying we think she had Postpartum psychosis because when you have postpartum psychosis you could microwave your baby because you're losing your mind right they bring in a doctor the doctor tested her negative for postpartum but continues to talk about how postpartum psychosis could make a

mother kill her child but it's like wait you just said that you screened her negative for it so how are you talking about it then the prosecution keeps going and is like see She's got postpartum psychosis thus she killed her child but they didn't provide enough evidence to actually prove that she has that so it's almost like someone arguing that if your blood type is B you could kill someone but they don't even bring in evidence that your blood type is B okay doesn't that make it Mo point then like what are you talking about

exactly that's the whole appeal oh that that they're using that as the appeal the whole appeal is Look at what the prosecutors did that's absolutely unh you guys yeah you guys theory is completely flawed therefore my uh client or Kang is should deserve a retrial or whatever it is right yes the defense also argued that the verdict needs to be appealed because again there's truly no proof that she had postpartum to the point of being in a state of psychosis to kill her child to microwave her child it it's just I mean they keep arguing

it's quite dramatic Their expert says postpartum psychosis is really quite dramatic it's not something that goes unnoticed so there's no evidence really then we need a retrial That's the basis of the prosecution's argument and the prosecution was just making some wild statements and again I say this as someone who is fully confused on what to believe at this point but is subjectively speaking they're wild for some of these the Prosecution at one point tries to push the statistic that 41% of women with mental illness and depression had thoughts of harming their child where did you

get that from there is one study that showed those results but I find it I I wouldn't consider it reliable I mean Perhaps it is but I imagine you would have to look at the studies sample size methodology and peer review status but it sounds problematic yeah it's just a crazy statement to to Make yeah it's it's just crazy especially when you factor in the fact that kayang has consistently denied being depressed and the whole study is about depressed mothers have thoughts of harming their child and she's like I have never been depressed depressed and

you screened me negative for postpartum depression so like how can you even use this statistic it doesn't make sense and I'm not saying that cang is okay I think clearly something happened for her to Microwave her baby whether that be a seizure whether that be psychosis whether that be I don't know right but there are just certain things that the court has to do in order to ensure a fair trial and this just wasn't fair ultimately the Judgment has been reversed that does not mean that kayang is free she's is currently still in prison to

see if the prosecutors want to try her again if she's going to have a retrial or if they're just going to drop The charges if you have epilepsy I would really love to know your thoughts because I keep going back and forth with this case but the few things that I think I'm pretty certain of I don't think the defense did the best job I think I mean even just looking online at some of these doctors and some of these people with diagnosed epilepsy talk about their seizures I'm like this makes so much more sense

than what they were Arguing in court to me this is so enlightening because yes now I'm confirming in my mind I don't know if this is accurate but I'm confirming people can do things the the defense made it seem like you can do automatic small movements like swallowing and chewing but I'm looking online and people are folding clothes in the shower right I think that's one thing I do think that the prosecutors I don't know if it's her Background being M I don't know if it's her socioeconomic stat status but I think that they just

threw whatever would stick I don't think that they really cared for a fair trial to bring in the pediatrician like that to really make the whole spirits and possession things as weird as they did it it's very confusing yeah so right now they're they're just waiting yeah they're just waiting to see what happens to see what the prosecutors decide to do with her Trial wow what are your thoughts I'd love to know I'd love to know if you're M and just more context of seizures and spirit and maybe you have a better understanding of oh

I think she was actually just using it as verbiage or no some people genuinely see and believe and or if you have epilepsy is this something that can happen I mean clearly something happened though in those 11 minutes what are your thoughts let me know in the comments please be safe and I'll see you in the next one