here's a fascinating conversation between two very well-known people one Douglas Murray I'm sure you've heard of and maab Hussein YF who you probably also know the son of the co-founder of Kamas so if you want to know someone who understands Hamas he's the guy and they are discussing what it would actually take for the West to wake up and see what's going on for what it is instead of living in the fear of being accused of islamophobia Let's watch this uh conversation which is really fascinating I remember speaking with you almost 10 years ago now
after a set of attacks in France in Paris there was the uh shto attacks attack on a kosha supermarket then the um attacks when dozens of jihadists rampaged through Paris massacred people at the B Clan theater and the stadium and coffee shops and I remember then asking you about you know what what does it take for the West to wake up to this reality because I mean you're aware of this reality because you grew up in a new sort firsthand and you were a very unusual person in thinking your way out of it which I
mean is incredibly unusual I would say that most Israelis today understand the reality that that there's a group or groups of people who say we want to kill you and if they get the opportunity they do but the rest of the West seems to me even all these years after we spoke about it still is in asleep what would you say to Emanuel macron rishy sunak Joe Biden camela Harris what would you say to them to communicate to them that this is this is real one of the biggest uh contributors to uh to terrorism and
violence actually Hypocrites cuz when when we are hypocrites we're not things for what they are we see the islamists threat we see what they are capable of doing and when I say CIA FBI Homeland Security other intelligence services in in the west most democracies in the west they know the ideological Dimension that motivates terrorists and terrorist attacks but we prefer not to talk about it because it's islamophobic or because it's uh controversial or we may offend the Muslims so now uh we submitting to their intimidation when we don't talk about it when we don't challenge
it that this is not acceptable you know it's not acceptable life depends on diversity and the different is appreciated know yes we should have uh human discipline because we are not animals but also we don't want someone uh acting as a s of God because then everybody would think that they have this Authority and the only outcome is Bloodshed we have the Muslims who live in the west and I think there is no problem with that in principle but uh don't enforce your religious identity and when they do we have to counter it like for
example we cannot separate church and state and allow mosque and state to be be uh United we cannot just stay asleep uh while watching the Islamic hubs uh produce more extremists and today you know we have so many uh Islamic Fanatics who actually uh preach through social media uh through YouTube and they are based on l in London they're based uh in Paris uh and uh they don't only advocate for a peaceful Islam actually they are just preaching very dangerous uh radical uh ideologies the Muslim Brotherhood ideologies that is anti-west that is anti- civilization that
is representing uh the 7th Century uh mentality as an alternative uh to uh the modern world ER and they are protected by the freedom of speech but there has to be uh a limit to where you can uh preach such sick ideology and uh I think most of the leaders are afraid uh whether they are ignorant of the topic or they have shortterm interest and they don't want to compromise this interest H they don't want to offend uh Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia or like Qatar uh they have their own calculations but in the meantime
uh uh we cannot hide from The Challenge because uh islamists are in the west and they are waiting for an angry cause and this is the dangerous thing about the Palestine this why one of the reasons that I came back and came very strong ER against the pro Palestine because it it's not about Palestine there is no such a thing as Palestine it's anti-west and it's looking for an angry cause and uh the more anger uh they are able to um uh to generate uh they're creating the climate for uh those individuals who have been
waiting to act so I don't want to say what are we waiting for like another major terrorist attack you know then we are going to understand that uh we have an enemy Within uh I hope we don't get to that point but let me tell you something from my personal experience when they start first chanting shouting uh from The River To The Sea calling for Jewish genocide it was no time uh before chaos and it became suicide bombing attacks became stabbings it became mass shootings it became uh everywhere became a Target ER and Palestine is
chaos Islam is chaos and uh of course this is very hard to say but I hope that people we don't get to the point to see the things going completely out of control to realize that we have individuals Among Us that we really need to leash you know that they cannot take advantage of the freedom there is there is a limit you know you cannot Advocate on behalf of terrorists and terrorist ideology by the name of uh freedom of speech it's not acceptable you can't use freedom in a society to shut down Freedom absolutely but
because it's it's very it's very hard to draw the line and many people take advantage of this take for example after 9/11 Muslims went into the hiding for almost a decade or more than this they just hiding their identity and after October 7 it was just next day they start demonstrating against Israel and against the West in New York in London in Paris everywhere within a week they showed so much aggression and again this is the blood lust that I told you about which is very strange you look 911 and you look October 7 and
what's after totally different uh uh outcomes so why why all this you know and this hatred against the Jews that is attracting actually uh many uh westerners uh who might have something in common that they are all anti-semites and this what's bringing the islamists and the Communist and the uh could be the Socialists even to work together uh they have something in common and that is their hatred towards uh Israel but what many westerners are not understanding that this is not only anti-israel it's anti success and it's anti- civilization it's uh pro- chaos this type
of individuals and this type of movements uh they thrive in chaos they don't like order in order they die and this is why they want to see more uh of the chaos M has there was a very powerful uh statement that Douglas Murray made over here which I want to make sure you heard you can't use freedom to shut down Freedom that is actually abusing Freedom that's not uh that's not that's not supporting Freedom that's exactly what um many Muslims and imams have mastered there's Brilliance where they come in in the name of freedom and
say things which are destroying freedom and the West is actually confused by it and doesn't even know what to say about that you have uh you know they are they are cheering uh spreading this dangerous ideology I've shared videos in the past of them of imams speaking these very dangerous ideologies we have it going on in in Detroit by the way um and they're protected by freedom of speech and that's a big problem because the freedom is protecting the people um who are um espousing ideas which are destroying freedom and as Leaders suddenly we become
scared because we're going to get accused of islamophobia this is not about islamophobia and we have to understand that there are multiple reasons why one would possibly argue that certain people should be shut down and it's not because we necessarily because we are biased against these people but because they are destroying freedom and as uh M says um these people are anti suuccess they're anti- civilization they are pro chaos because that's what they thrive in and they hate order we have to know you know I as I say you have to know your enemy before
you're going to take them on we have to know what these people are about and then be clear to denounce them and be clear this is not islamophobia we are not anti-muslims we are anti- people who are destroying our freedom
