MIKE WINGER ABSOLUTELY DESTROYED - Point BY Point - On Micah Turnbo (Part 3)

This is part three of my response to Mike Winger and Rouselon regarding Micah Turnbo. If you haven't watched part one and two, they're good, but it's not necessary that you watch those to watch this one. Although, those represent another hour of content about this topic that I'm not going to be repeating in this video. So, you might want to catch up to speed with what's going on. Mike Winger has blatantly lied about Scripture, and I'm going to prove it. He's lied about the nature and character of God, and I'm going to prove it. It seems

that Mike Winger thought Micah Turnbo was such an easy target, he did a sloppy job rebuking him in the first place. And while it's as easy to attack Micah Turnbo as it is to punch a 2-year-old in the face, Dot is the one that fights these battles for us. And so now Mike Winger is going to have to deal with someone who's not so easy of a Target. Here's the video. This is part three of my response to Mike Winger regarding Micah Turnbo. Rouselon's now involved. And I'm going to go point by point through Mike

Winger's video and explain my perspective on everything he says. Some of the things I agree with him on. Others are just blatantly ignorant. But in general, this provides us an opportunity to go really deep on some biblical teachings. Not for the sake of glorifying Micah Aernbo, not for The sake of demonizing Mike Winger, but for the sake of explaining how Christ feels about his bride and helping you get a deeper relationship with Christ that is actually founded in scripture. Mike Winger is good at sticking to scripture, but his understanding of the spiritual world is comically

ignorant. If you just go with what Mike Winger is teaching you, you're going to end up spiritually dead, forgetting your first love. But Mike Winger also has a lot of Biblical caution to add to the mix which is helpful. And so we're going to go through all his relevant points and I'm going to show you the parts where he's right and the parts where he's wrong. In the end, you can make up your own choice. As a bonus, I'm going to address some of the things Rouselon said about Mike Winger and Micah Turnbo. And I'm

going to caution you to please be careful with what you believe out of Rouselon and Mike Winger. I know that Sounds backwards because they seem like stable choices. And then you got Micah Turnbo, who everyone agrees is crazy. But I think you'll see things a little bit differently after this video. And whether or not you do, you're going to be taken on a roller coaster ride through the scriptures and the spiritual world that's going to deepen your understanding of the Bible and your relationship to Christ and the intimacy that he actually wants to have with

you. All right, I think it's safe to say that this is Mike Winger's overall point. This is the infantilization of spiritual things. we don't see this in scripture. Okay, so he says we don't see this in scripture. It's very important to understand that he's not saying it's against scripture. He's saying it's not represented in scripture. And I'm going to show you that a lot of this stuff actually is in scripture and places that Mike Winger Likes to stay away from. Now, he does mention some things that he thinks contradict scripture, specifically pre-existence. But Mike Winger

doesn't understand the difference between the soul and the spirit. And so when he tells you that your soul is not pre-existent according to scripture, he can still be right. But because he doesn't understand the difference between the soul and the spirit, he doesn't know how to explain that while The soul comes into existence when the spirit enters the flesh and Adam becomes a living soul. That the spirit was in God's lungs before he breathed it into Adam. which means the spirit pre-existed Adam and was inside of God. To him and from him are all things.

Mike Winger doesn't understand metaphysical anatomy. And this is part of the reason why he is the absolute worst person to possibly rebuke anyone about spiritual things. Specifically, someone who's so far off The deep end into spiritual things as Micah Turnbo. Mike Winger is way out of his league on this one. This stuff's above his pay grade and he should have never opened his mouth about Micah Turnbo. Now, Mike Winger is also not a medical doctor. He's not qualified to comment on people's mental health or schizophrenia. I actually am a medical doctor and I have experience

with some of these things. All things considered, in Mike Winger's video, I had a very Hard time finding any quote that he pulled from Micah Turnbo that quote contradicts scripture. Most of it is just complaining about being weird. Even though Mike Winger addresses that's not his complaint. And Mike Winger's biggest evidence is an evidence of omission from the Bible, not a contradiction of scripture itself. He also complains that Micah is inconsistent in the way he retells these stories. But that's just human error. I want Mike Winger to Provide quotes from Micah Turnbo that directly and

clearly contradict scripture. And I wasn't able to find any in this hour-long video. Now, here's something that Rouselon and whoever this guy is said that is extremely concerning for anyone who claims to be a Christian. Yeah. I don't want the mic turned by Jesus. I don't want this Jesus. I don't want the mic turned by Jesus. I want It's not cuz I'm homophobic. I want the Jesus to whip Jesus. I'm afraid of Intimacy and it's not cuz I'm afraid to cry during worship. It's because this is not biblical. Okay. So, he has the same critique.

Not that it's against scripture, but that it's not biblical. Meaning, this stuff is not mentioned in scripture. I'm going to show you plenty of places in scripture where a lot of the stuff Micah Turnbo says is mentioned. And I'm going to show you where what he says can't be verified. And that's really what's bugging these Guys is that the stuff Micah Turnbo says cannot be verified. But they're miscatategorizing him as being contradictory to scripture, but they provide no evidence of that. Now listen to what these guys just said. They said, "I don't want that Jesus."

Meaning that if Jesus turns out to be the Jesus that Micah Turnbo is describing, who wants to be intimate with you in a way deeper than what it looks like to these guys, they have now renounced their Christianity. They don't want that kind of Jesus. And they're teaching other people to take this same stance. What happens if you get to heaven and Jesus is Micah Turnbo's version of Jesus? And as you guys know, Jesus says, "Depart from me. I never knew you." If Jesus is in fact referring to the same knowing as Adam knowing Eve,

then you're going to hell by following these guys. This is possibly a salvic issue. Now, the word used in Greek when Jesus says, "Depart From me. I never knew you is not the same word used in the Old Testament in Hebrew when the Bible says Adam knew his wife. When the 70 scribes got together and translated the Hebrew Torah, the first five books of the Bible into the beginning of the Greek Septuagent, the word they chose to translate Adam knowing his wife became the same exact word as Jesus knowing his bride. This is clearly a

John 6 moment, a hard teaching that makes people very uncomfortable. And Rouselon just clarified his point. If Micah Turnbo is right, I don't want that Jesus. Rouselon is saying that his faith is contingent upon Jesus wanting the type of affection that Rouselon understands him to want. If Rousulon is wrong and Jesus expects a deeper type of intimacy from his bride, Rouselon has now renounced his faith in Jesus Christ and will burn in hell for all eternity along with anyone who follows him down this dangerous road of theology. One, We're conflating intimacy with intercourse. And then

we say Jesus wants to be intimate with you because he's the groom and you're the bride is the church. And it's and you're missing that the language is allegorical. It's not about Jesus trying to be intimate with you in that way. Not not like not like that. Not like that. Rouselon is saying that if Jesus wants to be intimate with his own bride the way that Rouselon himself wants to be intimate with his Own wife. Even though the Bible says Rousulon's marriage to his wife is a mirror of Christ in the church, then Rouselon has

now renounced his faith in Jesus Christ. All right? So Rouselon's pulling out all the stops. He's not saying, "Look, I don't think that's what Jesus wants, but if it is, you know what? I'm up for whatever, man. Whatever God says is good in the larger scale of things, I might just not understand how that works from my perspective, and I Might have my own ideas about it, but ultimately, whatever God says is what I'm going to submit to. That would be the correct advice for him to give to his audience. But instead, he takes a

hard stance and says, "No way, no how. This is not what it means. And if it means that, I'm out." That's dangerous. That's the kind of stuff that takes people to hell. Ironically, Rouselon is right here. God does not want to have the same level of intimacy with you as a Man has when he makes love to his wife. God wants to have a much more uncomfortable level of intimacy with you than that. It is so far beyond the intimacy of a husband and wife, you can't even fathom it. It is so much worse than

what you think I'm trying to say. And I'm telling you that you need to get on that level of intimacy with God. You think there's anything in this life that's comparable to the way God loves you and the the and to the extent That he wants to be intimate with his bride, there's nothing. The closest thing we can probably get is sex. But that's only a mirror, a fragment, a shadow of what God actually wants with you, him and you, and you and him for all eternity. You're telling me that's not intimacy? You're telling me

God took on a human form and then let creatures of the dust whip the flesh off his rib cage and he doesn't want to be intimate with you? You don't get much more Intimate than what Christ did for you on the cross. Baby, I'm a little uncomfortable with the level of intimacy. If you could just act more like my sister, that'd be great. like that tonight. Risan doesn't approve our life. Love you, sweet girl. Make sure you're not inappropriate. Okay. No intimacy. Okay. Okay. No intimacy. I love you. Love you. I like this. He's a

duck. Yeah. You love him so much. Usually sweet girl. Who's that? That a heretic. You a heretic. Yeah, he's a heretic. A heretic around. He's a heretic. He's a heretic. Relon's not a heretic, I don't think. But what he's saying is dangerous. He doesn't get it. And he's leading you down a bad path with this. And if you want men, young Men, masculine men, men that like to lift and shoot guns, men's that men, men that need to know their identity and they're not afraid to be masking. You want those sorts of men in church,

you got to drop this gay gospel. Gay gospel. Okay. Um, Rouslon has been pretty courteous to Micah Turnbo. He's been he he says later on he didn't want to make this video or talk about it because he feels like Mike is already getting uh hammered from every direction And he doesn't want to make it worse. He feels like he's got a great heart, loves the Lord and is a true Christian, but he's schizophrenic or whatever, right? And so, uh I would say that Rouslon's heart posture on this whole thing has been very merciful. And I

don't want to be mean to Rouslon, but I have to say what I have to say. I mean, I I have to say this. Rouselon doesn't understand the mentality of an alpha male because he's a beta male. And I'm going to show You that there's a level past alpha here in just a second. You can't love your wife as a proper man of God, and I mean alpha, until you understand and accept the extent to which God loves you as part of the bride of Christ. It's the fulfillment of passing alpha, not the watering down

of God's intimacy to pacify the alpha. Now, this is a video I did a while back about my life. It will illustrate my point. The whole thing is Identity in Christ. We go through these different phases of trying to validate oursel. I call it the identity wardrobe. Putting on a soldier's uniform. I'm a soldier. Well, what happens when your legs get blown off in war? You lose your identity. Well, I'm a doctor. Well, what happens when they pull your license and you can't practice anymore? You go through an existential crisis. What happens if your identity

is a lawyer and you lose your eyesight and can no longer Read court documents? If you find your identity in something that the world can strip away from you, you're going to go through an existential crisis when they do. The reason you feel like an impostor is because you are. You are Jacob putting on the clothing of Esau to approach Isaac and steal his blessing. You are a sinner putting on the clothing of Jesus Christ to approach God the Father boldly to enter into heaven and you don't deserve it. Something inside Of you knows that

you're getting a reward that you did not earn. And that creates an impostor syndrome. It creates cognitive dissonance. You have to learn to embrace the cognitive dissonance of Christianity. The identity crisis of it all. The impostor syndrome of salvation. You have to choose to identify yourself as who the father says you are when he looks at you, not who you know you are underneath the clothing. That's what it means to walk in the fullness of the Spirit. Here's the video. Being alpha is overrated. Yeah, it's cool chainsawing a giant walnut tree and dragging it up

a hill with a four-wheel drive and using it to build a rammed earth hobbit church into a hillside. But inside every supposed alpha male is a little boy screaming at the world to validate him. It's a false identity. You're trying to prove to yourself that you're worthy of love. Now, because I'm fat, I get accused of not being an alpha. Let me Show you what my life's been like. Here's me at 17. Here's me at 19. Here's me at 21 being trained as an officer in the US Army. Here's me 6 years ago. Here's me

3 years ago. I've been in the US Army. I've been a firefighter. I've helped build schools, libraries, orphanages, and churches in Africa. teaching lowcost earthquake resistant natural building. I can drive tanks. I can fly airplanes. I can drive ambulances and fire engines, motorcycles And boats. I am a CNA, EMT, and medical doctor, specifically an MD. This picture was taken 3 years ago. I've done a 23-day roundtrip trek to Everest base camp twice. That's me right there. I've been to 33 countries on five continents over 10 years. I have a 164 IQ and a photographic memory.

I dated all the hot chicks. I've had the body. I've done the drugs. I've had the sex. And I am telling you, it is not worth it. I've started companies that I was The CEO of. In this case, Sergy was a medical tourism company. Basically, an Airbnb for hospitals. I studied civil engineering in undergrad. I know it's not perfect, but I catted this when I was 17. I sued the United States Army and the US Pentagon when I was 22 in New York Supreme Court without a lawyer and I made the front page of the

newspaper for doing it. That's me right there. I do 7 mile live fire running guns for fun. Pictures only prove so much. So Here's a highlight reel for my book. The book itself is about the meaning of life and this video is my journey to find it. I edited it down from over 27 hours of adventures. My father told me someday I will die. Settle in the score wrapping at my door. Stand upon my vow. Angels shall appear. Steady course to the havens. Dust to dust again. Dust to dust Again. My father told me someday

I will die. Settle in the score, wrapping at my door. Stand upon my vow. Angels shall appear. Steady course to the havens. Dust to dust again. Dust to dust again. My father told me someday I will die. Settling the score wrapping as my door. Stand upon my vow. Angels shall appear. Steady steady Course to the havens. Dust to dust again. Dust to dust again. My father told me someday I will die. Telling the score at my door. Stand upon my bow. Angels shall appear. Steady course through the heavens. Dust through dust again. Dust through dust

again. I've done all the things the world told you is going to make you happy. And I'm Telling you, it's a lie from the pit of hell. The meaning of life is not the pursuit of happiness. It is the seeking of righteousness. I couldn't even make this video for years until I knew my heart was right that I didn't need to brag about these things. Once you get over the false identity of needing to be alpha, once you don't need the world's validation anymore, you are actually free. God will bring you the right people at

the right time. And you'll Finally understand all the relationships that didn't work out. Once you stop needing the world and a relationship to validate your false identity as an alpha, God will finally bring you the one you're supposed to marry. The only identity you've ever needed is as a son of God. And once you step up and start being a strong spiritual leader and praying for a ministry partner rather than a wife to be happy, God will bring you the kindest, most sweet, beautiful Woman you've ever met. speaking as a lifelong alpha. I'm telling you,

it's a false identity. Your true identity is a son of God. That's it. That's all you'll ever be. It's all you were ever intended to be. It's all you'll ever need to be. If you derive your identity from something the world can take away, you'll go through an existential crisis when they do. I am not a doctor. I'm not a lawyer. I'm not a soldier. I'm not a treker. I'm not a drummer. I'm not a Guitar player. I'm not a pastor. I'm not an evangelist. I am a son of God. Good luck taking that away

from me. I feel like that pretty much covered that topic. I think Rouselon's wrong. I think he's not an alpha and he doesn't understand what it's like to become an alpha and surpass it. It's kind of like the idea of like being Super Saiyan. Like not I'm not trying to This is going to sound ridiculous. Um, it's like going through the levels of in like Dragon Ball Z of like Super Saiyan and and then it's like seeing someone who never went Super Saiyan hypothesize about the theory of going Super Saiyan. When you're like, bro, like

I'm on Super Saiyan 3. You know what I mean? And I'm not trying to pull rank here. I'm not trying to be like, well, I'm spiritual and you're not spiritual. Or like I'm in the promised land and you're still in the desert. But it's the truth, right? There is a progression to these things. Just like Rouselon would say that same statement about like a cosmic skeptic, Alex, whatever his name is, right? Um, God willing, comes to Christ. But Rouselon would have to try to pull rank in some way and say he just doesn't get it.

And I get it. He's blind. The Holy Spirit hasn't revealed it to him yet. He's on the path, but he's not there yet. The same thing Rousulon would say about Alex is the same thing I'm saying about Rouselon. And I'm not trying to Promote myself as further along than Rouselon. I don't mess with these guys because they're good for what they are and they're good for what they do and they're good for where they are and they're good for leading flocks out of Egypt and and halfway through the desert. But when they start throwing stones

at people in the promised land, they're going to get their their nose slammed in the door and that's what they're doing. They're speaking about Things they do not understand. And that is the problem with what they're doing. I will be sure to let you know. I call people out all the time. So much so that people started branding me as like the rebuke guy. They're like, "All you do is ever rebuke people now." And I was like, "I get it. You need to rebuke people." I need to be rebuked. As a matter of fact, every

single year, sometimes six month, every 6 months, a year, depending on how much crap is building up, I have an open Confession on the internet and then I let people whoever the entire internet come uh accuse me of whatever they want right to my face and we deal with it right there. Now, there's this is from I think first Timothy. It's not the same. Everyone understands you're not supposed to call people out. You're supposed to like go visit them one-on-one and then bring them to a small group and then bring them before the church and

only if they don't repent, then you kick them Out. It's like, well, and then it doesn't even say kick them out. It says treat them as a non-believer. The way we treat people who are non-believers there is to share the gospel with them, not to cut ties with them. Right? If they don't receive the gospel, maybe don't eat with those people. But here's the thing, guys, man. You've got to you've got to get this. You got to get this. Elders are held to a higher Standard by God. And they should be held to a higher

standard by you. It says in First Timothy that when an elder is wrong, do not entertain any accusation against them. Dot dot dot unless it's brought by two or more people. Very low standard. Just two people. That's it. And then immediately tell everyone. Mike Ring Winger is not wrong to rebuke Micah Turnbo. And I'm not wrong to rebuke Mike Winger. I'm trying to to to do what the Bible seems to say to do. And it says, I Charge you before like Christ and the angels to keep these rules. Not to try to destroy each other,

but to warn people. Mike Winger is not doing a wrong thing by warning people about Todd White. I agree with that rebuke. And I would agree with Mike Winger about Micah Turnbo if Mike Winger had the uh experience the war time to to to rebuke Micah Turnbo. But Mike Winger doesn't understand the spiritual world. He's a a theological intellectual thinker who's Analyzing the Bible with his mind. I don't think he's out there doing the verses like casting out demons and healing the sick. And so you should not listen to him about those types of things.

It's it's above his pay grade. And God willing, he might come to do those. As a matter of fact, I've openly welcomed Mike Winger and Rouselon to join me in exorcisms. And I want to see if they can do anything anything, not just flounder in the process because They have no idea how the spiritual world works. I can teach them if they want. They'll see things that they will not they'll be like, "This dude's diagnosed schizophrenic. you're telling me he's going to be free in an hourong Zoom call. It's like, yeah, happens all the time.

Like, no, no, this guy's like 26 years in and out of the sane asylums. Uh, SSRI, selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, collective uh uh cognitive behavioral therapy, dialectical Behavioral therapy. The medical community's cut him off as like, we don't know how to help you. And you're saying that in a an hourlong video call you can set him free. I'm like, I didn't I'm not set him free. I didn't do anything. Christ has already set us all free and you just have to claim it. Yes. Come join me on these calls and see the power of Christ

in the actual spiritual world. Not the the patterns of the Bible in your mind, But the revealed word of God through the Holy Spirit. You don't know what you're talking about. And I want to invite you again to come do that so you can understand the the things that some of us are out there seeing far beyond what you're talking about. We're gonna keep going after this. Uh, and there won't be too many Rouson clips. I just want to address what he said because it's a much shorter section. We're going to get into Mike Winger

and it's, you know, it's Going to be however long it needs to be. And I want to say this up front. Mike Winger is right about rebuking people. If Micah Turnbo is doing what Mike Winger is accusing him of, it man, forget getting fired from your job. It would be better for him if it if he was never born. If he's written a children's book and caused children to stumble, you got to understand the condemnation on Mike Mahernbo's head is immense. Mike Winger is not wrong for trying to Address this issue. He's wrong about the

issue is what I'm saying. There are plenty of false prophets. There are plenty of people who are actually guilty of what Mike Winger is accusing Micah Turnbo of. I just don't think Micah Turnbo is one of those people. He's redirected his homosexuality into into his relationship with Jesus. I think uh cast those desires off of yourself. Suppress go back in the closet. I think Back in the closet with you close that door and then have a normal relationship with Jesus. All right. Now, this thing about Micah Turnbo having been homosexual, coming out of it, and

then having some sort of repressed sexuality that he's projecting onto God, it's possible. Totally valid point. If that's what's happening, I don't think that's what's happening. When you watch my rebuke video, I start off with a confession. And I openly Admit that I struggle with pornography. Even still today in marriage, I still struggle with it. Praise God, it's better than it's ever been. And you could accuse me of the same thing. And you should probably accuse me of that because it does happen. A matter of fact, most pastors that focus on a topic, it's because

they themselves struggle with that topic and they're like projecting, they're validating, they're talking about pornography all The time because they're watching pornography and they need it to make sense. And so it's this really toxic thing where they present that to their their to their let's say audience, their their flock, their congregation, their online audience, whatever like audience they're getting that validation from. and then they like wait for a response and if people clap or if people agree or they don't say anything, they take that as a reverse validation like that Everything's going well. This happens.

It is so absolutely rampant. This is why I recommend everyone do what I call a righteousness rebuke roast where the pastor gets up on stage every 6 months. I'd love to see Rouselon do this. I'd love to see Mike Winger do this. It's a very vulnerable and and brutal process, but it clears your sin life out. So, it's public. So, there's nothing growing in darkness. Right now, it doesn't excuse the sin. It doesn't mean like, Oh, I confessed it. Like, if I confess it this 6 months or this year, because I do them, like I

said, every 6 months to a year, depending on how like urgent it seems to be, if I confess it and then next time I'm confessing the same thing, and next time I'm confessing the same thing, you guys should start to like be like, "This guy's not making progress in his spiritual walk." what's going on here? Not for the sake of salvation, but if He's our pastor, he should be sanctifying. He should be seeking the Lord and things. He should be dealing with bigger problems now. He should be dealing with like trusting God with finances, not

like shooting up heroin. You know what I mean? Like it's it's not good fruit if you continue to struggle forever with the same things. This next confession I have to do, public uh rebuke, and I always start with rebuking myself, is going to have to confess Pornography. I've watched pornography in the last like since the last rebuke. But if that keeps happening, if we're 5 years in and it's still like every time porn's the first one, it's like you guys really should start to be like questioning like whether I'm in a position to be a

pastor at all. Like you see what I mean? Like you it's a high standard. You know what I mean? I'm not discarding what Mike Winger is talking about. It's valid. But here's the thing. Mike Winger has sex with his wife. So does Rouselon, I assume, and they probably enjoy it. Are they perverts for wanting to have sex with their wives? Absolutely not. Because it's not inappropriate. It would be inappropriate for a husband to not want to have sex with his wife. But then they're turning around and telling you God doesn't want to be intimate with

you. Jerusaleon straight up said, "Well, you know there's going to be a wedding night and You know Jesus is going to want to consummate the wedding with his bride and you know you're the bride of Christ. So therefore, like I feel uncomfortable just hearing it." Yo, that's gay. Like, that's gay. Stop it. Get some help. That's gay. Oh, man. Jesus does not want to be intimate with you in that way. Stop with the Jesus is my boyfriend. Stop with the He wants to be intimate with He wants to kiss me on my Mouth. Yeah. Like,

I'm not I'm not I'm not demeaning Micah cuz and the irony is that Micah struggles with some of this. Rouslon wants you to know that Jesus is not your boyfriend. Meanwhile, the Bible says God is your husband. The Bible also says there's no gender for those who are in Christ. He's trying to define the level of intimacy God wants to have with you. And if he's wrong, he said, "I don't want Micah turned Jesus." The problem is what if Jesus turns out to be A turnbo Jesus and Rouselon doesn't want him. It's a John 6

moment. It's if this doesn't look like what I think it looks like, I'm out. And Jesus's response is like, "Well, you were never in. Depart from me. I never knew you." Now, while Mike Winger and Rouselon and I are discussing this thing about Micah Turnbo, understand that Micah Turnbo is the only one in this conversation who's not having sex. He's literally celibate. And so, by his fruit, you will know him. Now, I was celibate for 3 years before I got married. And I thought I was going to live that way. And and man, it is

a dark like chasm to pass through, especially if you're not gifted with the gift of celibacy and you do burn with passion, which I do. Now, I can tell you from experience that does cause a brand of hypersexuality to happen. Kind of like a priest who's taken a vow of celibacy who should never the Catholics are out of control. The Bible says to be A pastor, you need to be the husband of one wife. If anything, that should disqualify Micah Turnbo because he's not the husband of one wife. But by that standard, there should be

no female pastors anyways because while the male pastor is one flesh with this woman, his wife, he's the head and she's the body. You can't take your body and make it someone else's head. And so, yes, it happens. This hypersexuality, even in celibacy, can erupt into projecting Sexuality onto God. So, let's address that. Is that what's happening here? Is that what Micah Turnbbo is doing? the way you get out of sin. And specifically, let's narrow it down to sexual sin. The Bible says three things about sin. It says, "Resist sin. You have not yet resisted

to the point of bloodshed." It says, "Flee from sexual immorality?" And it says, "Put to death the desires of the flesh." So, which one is it? Which one do you do when you're Tempted? Do you sit there and you fight? Do you sit there and you resist? Or do you sit there and and and flee? And the answer is it depends on which season you're in. If you're in the Egypt season with your sin, you flee. You run away from Egypt. When you're in the desert, you learn to resist just like Jesus taught us to

resist the devil in the wilderness. And the devil will flee. And you resist him multiple times with scripture like Jesus did. And then when You get to the promised land, you fight the giants, put to death the desires of the flesh. Now, getting out of Egypt is letting go of the guilt, shame, and condemnation. Those are the shackles that are holding you in the slavery of Egypt. That's why it always says first you are not condemned. Then it says now go and sin no more. Paul says there's no condemnation for those who are in Christ.

But then he encourages you to fight and resist sin. Paul says all Things are permissible but not all things are beneficial. He says wherever sin abounds grace abounds that much more. It's always first. No condemnation. You're not condemned. get out of Egypt. Then you get into the desert, which is learning to resist. And then you'll get to the promised land, which is learn to fight. But you're doing the right thing in the wrong season. The devil has tricked you into tracking the wrong metrics. And this is Why relationships and marriages are so broken. You have

each person in one of three seasons. There's actually a fourth season of exile, but we'll talk about that later. And let's say the wife is in Egypt and her finances, in the promised land, in her faith, but in the desert in her marriage. but her husband is in Egypt in his finances, in the desert in his faith, and in the promised land in his marriage. And you take those two broken people who are in different Seasons in each walk of life, and you put them together, and it's going to be chaos. This is why most

marriages are broken. Typically, what we see in Christian counseling are young, attractive women who have married older, wealthy men because they thought because he has a BMW, he must be in the promised land. And so if I marry him, I get to get out of Egypt and skip over the desert. And this is the problem with the prosperity gospel. It tells you to take Promised land principles and implement them in the desert season. What these women didn't realize at the time of marrying this guy is that he was not in the promised land. He was

the highest paid slave in Egypt, which looks the same because the prosperity gospel is stealing promised land principles and implementing them in Egypt. And the big lie is that God doesn't want you to go through the desert. Of course, he wants you to go through the desert when you're In Egypt. Get out. When you're in the desert, learn to suffer well. When you're in the promised land, learn to prosper well. And when you're in the promised land, do not forget the desert lessons or you're going to get sent into exile. The problem is not that

Mike Winger is reminding the promised land people about desert lessons. The problem is that Mike Winger has overconfidently mistaken the desert gospel as the total gospel. He thinks it is the orthodox Truth when in fact it is a seasonal truth. And so now these women are married to the highest paid slave in Egypt who they thought was in the promised land. Now they've went into the desert with their faith and they're trying to get him to leave, but he doesn't understand why he would. We have all the same things here in Egypt as we would

have in the promised land. Why should I go through the desert? And they're in a living hell. And this is a Version of what Mike Winger and Rouselon are accidentally doing to Micah Turnbo. They are teaching a desert gospel which is true. Praise the Lord. But they're trying to get people in the promised land to implement desert principles. And that's where they're going wrong. Now, specifically with this issue of sexuality in Egypt under the guilt, shame and condemnation, the mental and emotional and spiritual slavery of Egypt, we are so hyperconerned with our Sin ratio. We're

like, man, I'm sinning like 20% and like 80% of the time I'm not sinning. Praise God. and we try to get that ratio down to like 15%, and 10%, and we think we're going to get it to zero. If I can just stop sinning, I'll be fine. Meanwhile, Jesus is not talking about your sin. He keeps talking about your faith. The Pharisees are obsessed with how sinless they are, and Jesus is like, "You have no faith." The Gentiles are obsessed with how sinful They are, and Jesus is like, "Yeah, but your faith." And so, this

sin ratio starts to go down, but the problem is you still like sin. You haven't learned to love what God loves and hate what God hates. And so you love sin and you're trying not to like let it go rampant and try to get the needle down as low as possible. What you need to understand to get out of Egypt is that you're not condemned. And the reason this is so terrifying is because it takes the Constraint off the speedometer of of sin and your sin is basically just like flooring it. Right? I love it

and I'm allowed to do it. What's that going to do? It's going to cause you to go run and sin some more. And this is where a lot of these pastors are. They're either in the box, like I call it the closet, which not trying to be funny or anything, but uh they're in the the sin closet of I really secretly love this sin, but I'm not allowed to do it. And That's where they're living. That's Egypt. They need to accept that they do love the sin, and it's not okay. It's not a justification for

sin. Sin is like way worse than you could ever possibly imagine. It's just that the sufficiency of the garments of Christ are so much more opaque than you could ever comprehend that God doesn't see the sin. It's not that the sin is okay. you need to confess, which is steel man the sin to like the most deplorable possible Thing that's ever existed, but also steal man the grace of God to absolutely covering any possible sin that is emanating from your life. And what this does is it puts your trust in God. It puts your faith

in God's grace because we're saved by grace through faith or faith in God's grace or trust in his promise. Being fully convinced that God will fulfill his promise. That's what it means to have faith. And sin is anything not born of faith. It's not about your Sin. It's about your faith. And the cool thing about faith is that God himself has issued you a measure of faith based on his grace. It's the garments that you plunder from the Egyptians that never wear out in the desert. You don't have to endure the desert. Moses didn't endure

the desert. The garments never wear out through the desert. That's what endures till the end. So, you get these repressed pastors who are engaging in secret sin, but trying to keep it uh Under wraps or keep a lid on it. And that's a horrible place to be. you're taking Egypt lessons from a pastor now. Really bad. Then you have pastors who love sin and they know they're allowed to do it. And that creates this weird season of like going rampant into sin. This is the prodigal stage, right? If you didn't notice, the prodigal has three

seasons too, just like Egypt, desert, promised land. He has the pre-prodal season. He has the desert of Going to the prodigal city and then he comes home to the promised land. Now, this is why most people don't go down this road because it's so terrifying and it's so dangerous to teach this that you love sin and you're permitted to do it. So, you just need to let that go wild in your prodigal season. But the reason for this is that you need to understand that grace will abound. It's a faith issue. And what will happen

in time as you start to have more faith is you will Start to love what God loves and hate what God hates. And you'll end up in a position where that's that sin ratio is now I'm 100% permitted to go sin but I don't want to do it. Now you don't want to do it. And before it was I love sin and I'm not allowed to do it. Then it transitions to I love sin and I'm allowed to do it which is like this spike in your sin activity. So now you're sinning like 50% of

the time but you're not sitting there and crying and And and wallowing in your guilt, shame, and condemnation. and the other like 30% of the time which only left 20% of time to spend with Jesus. Now you're accepting that there's no guilt, shame, and condemnation no matter how much sin you have. And so let's say your sin ratio went up from 15 to 25%. You're sinning more than you were before. But you're not wasting all this time with the crocodile tears about it, which was taking up, let's say, 50% of your time. So you were

only spending 25% of time with Jesus. Now you're sinning 25%, but now you actually have 75% of your time freed up to spend with Jesus. You're taking your eyes off the waves and you're keeping your eyes on Christ. And this is how you stop sinking into that water. Take your eyes off the water and the waves and keep your eyes on Christ alone. And so, sure, you guys could accuse me of being in the same boat as Micah Turnbo where we're both like Hypersexualized and projecting our inadequacies onto God to reverse validate our own false

identity, but I don't think that's what's happening. There are people that do that. There are people who are doing that. But I'm not trying to justify my sin life. I am actively learning to hate sin. I know I'm allowed to do it, but I'm starting to not want to do it. Because as I go further through the desert and on into the promised land of faith, I am Starting to love what God loves and hate what God hates. And if God loves righteousness, he has to hate evil. People like to say God is only love

and he has no hatred. No. If he loves righteousness, he hates wickedness. And you must learn to do the same as well. All right, let's get through some of Mike's content. We're going to rapid fire answer some of these questions. You clearly see I have the tendency to go into long deep teachings. I'm going to try to avoid that and just answer these questions clearly. The burden on me is not as high as it is on Mike because he's claiming that Micah Turnbo is saying things that are against scripture. I'm just trying to show that

they're either not mentioned in scripture or that they are mentioned in scripture, but Mike doesn't want to recognize it. All right, let's do this. Every Easter will take me to hell. Not my choice. He wants to do it. Okay. So, all through the Bible, there are people who are ascended to heaven. In the Bible, there's a parable of a man going to hell, the parable of Lazarus. But this is just the story Jesus is telling. It's not an actual person going there and coming back. In the Bible, we do see multiple cases of people going

to heaven. But there's also a verse that says, "No one has ascended to heaven except Jesus, who also descended from heaven." And so the Bible would seem to Say that no one has ascended or descended from heaven. However, we have multiple people who have visions of heaven and multiple people who the Bible says ascended to heaven on a whirlwind. And so this is one of those ones that's gridlocked. It's not a point for anyone. He's just making a claim that can't really be verified. We do see here in 2 Corinthians 12:es 2 3 and 4

that Paul is saying something very interesting. He says, "I know a man in Christ who 14 Years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether in the body or out of body, I do not know. Only God knows. And I know that this man was caught up into paradise." Seems like Paul believed him. This would be like if Paul met Micah Turnbo and Micah told him he got caught up to heaven and Paul actually believed him. And this man heard things that can't be told, which man cannot utter. Sounds like those are things outside

of the Bible. Now, this isn't a mention of Someone getting called down to hell and taken back, but this is a clear and reliable reference in scripture to someone getting caught up to heaven and brought back. And Paul seems to be saying that he may have actually went there in his body or he may have went there in spirit. Micah Turnbo claims that he actually leaves the physical realm and goes there himself. Paul seems to be saying in this verse that that may be possible. Let's keep going. Okay. The Lord allowed me to to sit

in front of demons and ask them question. Okay. So, he's claiming that he can ask demons questions that God gave him the permission to do this. I do this all the time. In order to do an exorcism, you typically have to understand which demon you're dealing with, what they're attached to, how to bind them, and how to tell them to leave. This represents three prayers that make up an exorcism. Confession and repentance. You also work On identity issues in this first prayer. Then cancelelling any ground or permissions the demon has, and then binding them and

asking the Lord to rebuke them out of their lives. The quality of the results you get from an exorcism is directly proportional to the depth of the confession and repentance in the first prayer. Oftentimes, the demons don't want you to figure out what permissions they're still holding on to. And I could get into a long explanation About the legal system of heaven and how this whole thing works, and I probably will later in this video, but it will suffice for now to say that there are three ways to get that information. You can either ask

the person what they think the permissions are. Typically, the person knows what they've done, but sometimes you're dealing with repressed memories, things that may have been done to them that they don't even realize happened. That's called the pastoral Approach to getting this information. The next one is interviewing the Holy Spirit. Just asking God, please help us figure out what sin needs to be confessed and what mindset or heart posture needs to be repented. Meaning, repentance is to love what God loves and hate what God hates. And if you love something that God hates or hates

something that God loves, that needs to be fixed or else the demon's going to use that as a permission to stay. Also, If you're still under the guilt, shame, and condemnation of your sin life, that has to be fixed because that's a repentance issue. You're calling Christ a liar by claiming that you actually are condemned when he says you're not condemned. Okay? And so, the third and final way to get that information is to interview the demons themselves. And I usually only do this in advanced exorcisms because demons are like little cocky toddlers prank calling

the phone Of your mind. It's really hard to get accurate information out of them. Now, we're under grace, but the demons are under the law. And so, if you understand the spiritual legal system, you can compel them by the power of the court, which is of course the blood of Christ, to answer these questions. But typically, they're not going to try to help you bind them and kick them out. Where is this in scripture? We see it in Mark 3:27 says, "In fact, no one can Enter a strong man's house without first tying him up.

Then they can plunder the strong man's house." This is a reference to plundering the Egyptians for garments. We see it again in Matthew 12:29. Or again, how can anyone enter a strong man's house and carry off his possessions? I don't know, like garments, gold, and silver. unless he first ties up the strong man, then he can plunder his house. Now, this is in reference to an exorcism, but it's also An homage to the story of Samson. The story of Samson is literally the story of a strong man who is lying about how to bind him.

And so, in an exorcism, I'll actually cut their hair and gouge out their eyes, which is a reference to the story of Samson. Now, this is a reference that people like Mike Winger and Rouslon would miss because they don't read the Bible like children. Jesus forming a whip of cords and whipping the money changers and the People who were buying from them out of the temple again is an exorcism in scripture. Clearing out bad actors from the temple is an exorcism. And during exorcisms, it's very easy to talk to demons. As a matter of fact,

let me just prove it to you right now. Close your eyes while you're watching this and repeat after me. Are there any demons at work in my life? And just wait. Listen for that thought voice. You're going to think it's your own mind, but it's not. Now, typically the demons will either say yes, no, or if there's multiple ones, they'll say yes and no at the same time to try to confuse you. If you didn't hear anything, repeat after me. Lord God Almighty, tetragrammaton, the God of Israel, the God of Jacob, Abraham, and Isaac, Jesus

Christ, Holy Spirit, Father God, I come to you today to confess that I am a sinner. I have broken the law of the living God. I have committed high Treason against your kingdom. I am a criminal. I am guilty. And I make no excuse for my sin. I confess all of my sin right now in Jesus name. And I lay it all down right now at the foot of the cross. I also repent. I change my mind and heart to love what you love and hate what you hate. I subjugate my heart under the governance

of my mind, my mind under the governance of my spirit, and my spirit under the governance of the Holy Spirit. With all sin confessed and Repented, I command any demon at work in my life to answer me right now. I call forth the highest ranking demon in all hierarchies across all categories. you will answer me in a yes or no right now. Are there any demons at work in my life? Let me know in the comments if you guys heard anything. And if you did, it's not really that big a deal. Everyone has demons attached

to them. This whole idea about being possessed versus oppressed is kind of a misnomer. Demons are Attached to your life like case workers. When you get saved, you take the file that they have on their desk of your life and your sin and your unrepentance and you dip it in the blood of Christ so that when they open it, all the pages are stained red and they can't read it anymore. This is the right that is guaranteed to all Christians. And then, man, I'm going to get into the whole explanation. Let's move on. I'll probably

get a chance to explain this Further on in this video. I'm with God, you know, the father on his lap and and my hands are I I love his beard. I love his his beard. I don't put my hands in his beard. Okay. So, not only is he saying that he's seen the father, he's saying that he plays with the father. He plays with his beard. And later on, he talks about how gold dust comes out of the beard. It's very hard stuff to defend. Matter of fact, I'm not very comfortable trying to defend something

Like that cuz I have no idea. The Old Testament says that no one has seen God and lived. And how can Jesus? I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. No one's seen God. Yeah, if you go to Exodus 24 9-11. Then Moses and Aaron, Bob and Abbeu, and 70 of the elders of Israel went up and they saw the God of Israel. They saw the God of Israel. There was under his feet as it were a They saw God with feet. Go to Isaiah 6:es 1-5. In the year that King Yuzia died,

I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne high and lifted up and the train of his robe filled the temple. For my eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts. He goes, "My physical eyeballs, these physical eyes, seeing the King Yahweh of Hosts in a visible shape and a visible form with a visible robe seated on a visible throne." The Bible's clear, God has been seen, can be seen. In fact, I can give you a case where Daniel sees God the Father and Jesus Christ. In Daniel 7 9 To10, as I looked, thrones were

placed and the ancient of days took his seat. So remember ancient of days and he's seeing him seated. That means he's seeing danger that he's in a visible shape in a visible body seated on a visible throne. And he describes what his head is like. Ready? His clothing was white as snow and the hair of his head like pure wool. Notice at first he says he saw thrones plural but the ancient of days is seated on one throne Singular. The other throne is for who? Daniel 7 13-4. I saw in the night visions and behold

with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man and he came to the ancient of days. You see that brother? They're not the same. Son of man comes to the ancient of days. So, he's not the ancient of days. And I see the son of man going to that ancient of days who has got white hair and a white robe. So, he approaches him. Now, finish it. And to him was given dominion And glory and a kingdom that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion

which shall not pass away. And this his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed. So the other throne is for the son of man cuz he's an eternal king with an eternal kingdom who reigns over all peoples and whom all nations must worship. So that's why he saw thrones. One for the ancient of days, the other for the son of man. According to the New Testament, Jesus is that son of man. How do we know? Because in Mark 14:61-62, the high priest says, I adure you by God, are you the Christ, the son of the

blessed? Jesus answered, I am. And you shall see the son of man seated at the right hand of power coming with the clouds of heaven. So Jesus just said, "I'm that son of man." If Jesus is the son of man, then who's the ancient of days? That's the father. Now, I hate To quote Sam Shimone because I have my problems with him, but he's right on that issue. If you want to understand why the Bible also seems to say that no one has seen the father, it seems to go back to the Greek and the

word exed, meaning no one has perceived the father. Now, that makes me very uncomfortable. I don't like to go back to the original language and try to change the plain meaning. I think if you do that, you can kind of make things say whatever you Want them to say. But if we're all on the same bandwagon of scripture is infallible and inherent, then it seems like it would be necessary to interpret it that way. Let's keep going. No, God goes for walks. He walks around. Okay, so now Mike is claiming God, I assume the father

gets out of his throne and goes for walks. We see here in Genesis 3:8, "And they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of day, and the man and his wife Hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden." Now, a lot of people say that this is Jesus, especially because it says Lord, and it might be, but again, this is one of those things that can't really be verified any further than this. You know, he has like favorite things like God loves

spicy and salty food. Jesus has the sweet tooth. Okay, so look at Mike Winger's face. He's sure that this is impossible, but again, you might Think this is something that can't be verified in scripture, but actually, I think it can be. In Matthew 22, we have the parable of the wedding feast. It seems that God himself likes to eat. Why else would he plan a wedding feast? We see in Mark 11:12 that Jesus is hungry. Now, you could say this is just his physical body. We see in Matthew 11:19, the son of man, that's Jesus,

came eating and drinking. And they say, "Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend to Tax collectors and sinners." Why would they call him a drunkard if he didn't like drinking wine? Why would they call him a glutton if he didn't like eating food? We see in John 2:10 that he had good taste in wine. They said, "Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after. But you have saved the best wine till now." If Jesus himself manifested wine and it tasted good, it may very well indicate that Jesus has

good taste because he Enjoys things that taste good. I don't see this as very problematic. You can touch God the Father. I know what he feels like. For this, I would go back to 2 Corinthians 12:2. Paul says,"I knew a man in Christ who 14 years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether or not it was in body or out of body, I don't know. God knows. If it was in body, it makes sense that you would be able to touch things." Now, in favor of Mike Winger, we have Exodus 33:19. And the

Lord said, "I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the Lord, in your presence." Now Lord here indicates this might be Jesus or this might be God the father. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. Now look at the next verse. But he said you cannot see my face for no one may see me and live. The reason this is confusing to me is because People want to pretend that they think this

is God the Father. But if it's consistent with their other contentions, this would actually be Jesus. But people do believe that we can see Jesus's face and live. There have been visions of Jesus with wool, hair, and eyes like fire and voices of many waters. We saw Jesus's face in the flesh. If the shroud of Turin is true, we've seen Jesus's face reanimated in the Shroud of Turan. And so for me, this becomes one of those Points where people want this to be God the Father. But if they're consistent about all the references of God

being seen, and they're insistent that that's always Jesus, then no one could look upon the face of Jesus and live, which doesn't mesh with other scripture. And so again, I don't know what's going on here, but I think again, like a turnboat slips through the cracks on this one. Now, this is frustrating for me, too. Why do you guys think I want to go back Behind Micah and clean up his mess? I don't. This is very unpleasant for me. I'm losing a huge chunk of my audience doing this. And that's because, again, this has nothing

to do with defending Micah Turnbo. Tomorrow, I myself might render him a heretic. I just don't think he's cross that line yet. What this actually is about is that I'm trying to defend the gospel of Jesus Christ from Mike Winger and Rouselon who are trying to tell you that God does not want to be Intimate with you to the extent that I think he actually does. I want you to buy in to a deeper relationship with Christ, a deeper love, and a deeper intimacy with him. Whatever it looks like, yes and amen. I want you

to take off any constraints of what you think it has to look like and accept that whatever it looks like, you're still in. Let's keep going. I know what his hands feel like. I He has hands. He has feet. Look at Mike Winger's face, but there Are Bible verses that says God does have hands and feet. even the father. Isaiah 49:14 says, "But Zion said, the Lord has forsaken me. The Lord has forgotten me." Next verse, verse 15, "Can a mother forget the baby of her breast and have no compassion on the child she has

born? Though she may forget, I will not forget you." Next verse 16. See, I have engraved you on the palms of my hands, your walls are ever before me. Now, this could be talking about Jesus and the Holes in his hands, or it could be talking about the father. Isaiah 66:1, this is what the Lord says. Now, again, this could be Jesus, or it could be the father. Heaven is my throne and the earth is my foottool. How's he going to have a stool for his feet if he doesn't have any feet? Now, I have

to admit there is a bit of a sick pleasure in this. I like that Micah drives these guys crazy. It is amusing in a certain sense. Mike Winger comes across as like A middle America bunny bred wholesome pastor and I think he largely is, but he's also kind of like low-key smug. And I like that he's getting humbled. I like that this is driving him nuts in the exact same way that I enjoy reading Jesus and John the Baptist trolling the religious elite of the day. And I and then he took me back in time

to where I watched him form Adam. Okay, so now we've got time travel. You guys might not realize this, but this is nothing New. Do you remember when Jesus sees Moses on the mount of transfiguration? Some people think that that is a time portal. And so when Moses in the Old Testament went up on Mount Cyani to see the burning bush, the idea would be that that portal was connecting them, which is time travel right there in the Bible. Another idea is the fishbowl effect. I don't know if you've heard of this, but the idea

is that if you were a fish in a fishbowl and the Humans stuck their hand through the fishbowl to give you a piece of food, your hand would be disembodied because the surface of the water would look to them like a severed hand. Now, we actually see this in the Bible as well. The floating hand in Daniel that writes on the wall, which is where the phrase read the writing on the wall comes from, by the way. But the fishbowl effect is a direct reference to portals. How do you think Philip teleported to the Ethiopian

Unic? Now, one of my all-time favorite books is Demonology by King James. This was written 500 years ago. Now, before you freak out that I like a book called Demonology, have you actually read it? This book is absolutely wild. It discusses genies, werewolves, ghosts, vampires, quantum mechanics, and if memory serves, even time travel all in the Bible. And it's written like a Calvinist Puritan wrote it. Meaning the theology in the book is Calvinist. And The theology itself is discussed like the Puritans would describe it. But it discusses all of those crazy topics. It's a short

read. And it is a serious humility check that 500 years ago their knowledge of scripture and their speculation on theology was wilder and more well researched than any fringe video you can find on the internet today. Next point, but I've talked to uh Abraham Lincoln before. Okay. I man, you guys know how hard it is to be in this position trying to defend this stuff. Realistically speaking, if heaven's real and people are up there and he can go there, which I've already tried to establish those points as possible, then why wouldn't he be able to

talk to Abraham Lincoln? Next point, let no one disqualify you um insisting ones as aceticism and worship of angels. Now, does Micah advocate for worshiping Angels? Not no I don't think he does. I know Micah, I've asked him that. He does not advocate for worshiping angels. He absolutely condemns it. But I do think he does something else which seems to be a symptom of a unreasonable sensuous person. Now here Mike is actually quoting scripture. Praise God. We're not going to ignore this. Let's actually read it. Let no one disqualify you insisting on aeticism and worship

of angels going on In detail about visions puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind. Now this is a good point. I do believe Micah has a sincere gift and I believe he can see in the spirit. Like Paul said, I don't know if he's physically going there in body or if these are just visions, but that doesn't necessarily mean he should be talking about it to the extent he does. That might be a character flaw on him. So yeah, I don't know. Maybe Mike is a wonderful person And I do believe he has a

legitimate gift. But I do see that it's possible that maybe he's not supposed to be telling us all the stuff he sees. Unless, of course, God told him to. I'll ask him next time I see him. Now, in regards to long- winded, detailed explanations of visions in the Bible, I submit to you the entire book of Revelation. Next point, which is he goes on in detail about visions puffed up without reason by a sensuous mind. That I think is the case. Now, I'm going to build a case for it. I'm going to offer this to

you because of his public ministry, not because of something he doesn't it not because I just like grabbing people randomly and doing this uh but because I believe the church needs it. I think that this this idea of going on and on about details of visions that is a red flag. Okay, Paul doesn't do this. He's he's very hesitant to talk about His visions. When you read about it in First Corinthians, he's very hesitant. He's very self-aware. He's very concerned about talking about these things. He distances himself from it in different ways. Paul admits that

he's a sinner. His actions and habits are descriptive, not prescriptive. His words are prescriptive, I think. Although even Paul says in some verses, I not the Lord say this. And so that's weird because you're reading scripture which we Believe is God breathed. And now Paul in God breathed scripture is saying God didn't say this. I said it. But Paul's a controversial figure. Paul says in 1 Corinthians 4:15, "For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I have become your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel. Now, of course,

we see Jesus in Matthew 23:9 say, "Call no man your father upon the earth, for one is your father which Is in heaven." You could argue that Paul did not perfectly follow Jesus on this point. And so, Mike Winger trying to use Paul's preference to build a case on what is prescriptive for the rest of us falls flat. That is not the case with Micah or many others who go around all their visions. He says, "Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you, filling you with vain hopes. They speak visions

of their own minds, not from the mouth of the Lord." This is very true and there are many people that do this. Micah Turnbo might be doing this and I'll be the first to let you know if I think he is. I don't think he's doing this. I see many others doing it, but as for Micah, I don't think he fits in that boat. This concept blew me away when I read Jeremiah. I mean, it was years and years ago, but when I read it and thought, "Oh, I always thought prophecy or something would either

come from God or from Satan," it didn't occur to me that it might come from just my own mind. That it could be perhaps a result of some sort of mental illness or result of some sort of wishful thinking, some sort of mistaking your imagination, this is a big one, for the voice of God. Yeah, it's naive that he didn't know this. The Bible talks about the world, the flesh, and the devil. All right, this is chapter 19 from the war within. Whenever you are attacked, the first thing you Should do is pray. And in

that prayer, you should ask God to orient you to the enemy attacking you, the weapon being formed against you, and the battlefield you're dealing with. The enemy. Figure out if the attack is coming from the world, the flesh, or the devil. The weapon. Figure out which weapon is being formed against you. Usually, the weapon being used in the attack will be under the broad categories of confusion, distraction, or apathy. And finally, the Battlefield. Figure out if the battlefield for this attack is the path field, the rocky field, or the thorny field in the parable of

the sewer. Look, and I'm not trying to be rude to Mike. I am warning you about him as a novice teacher the same way he's trying to warn you about Micah Turnbo is systematically taught in some of the charismatic circles and has to be undone. This is this this this needs to end. I agree. Some of the things being taught in the Charismatic circle are straight demonic. I believe, and forgive me, I come on I'm coming on strong here, but that's because there's so much going on right now that needs to be addressed. But Jeremiah

23:21, God says of these prophets, "I did not send the prophets, yet they ran. I did not speak to them, yet they prophesied." In verses 25 and 26, he says, "I've heard what the prophets have said who prophesy lies in my name, saying, "I have dreamed. I have Dreamed." This is what they claim, but it hasn't it's not the case. Micah is not saying that he's dreamed. He's saying he got caught up to heaven just like we saw in scripture. How long shall there be lies in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies and

prophesy the deceit of their own heart? God doesn't really pull punches. It's not like, well, you got to get prophecy wrong sometimes in order to try to get it right the rest of the time. That's Not really the philosophy I see here in scripture. Totally agreed. If a prophet is wrong once, they're not of God. Now, people can be people. Like when you're trying to harness the gift of prophecy, you can add your own stuff in. Like when I'm getting a download from the Holy Spirit to teach something, I'm supposed to be a perfect pass

through, but I never do that. I always mix in some of my own stupid BS. I always mix in some analogy that I came up with myself and It's wrong and I shouldn't do it. I think prophets go sideways for several reasons. Either God didn't speak and they're desperate to be seen, so they go ahead and speak anyways. Or they legitimately heard it from a spirit, but it wasn't the Holy Spirit. It was a demon. Or they legitimately hear it from the Holy Spirit, but they leave something out or they add something to it from

their own mind. Now, I'll go ahead and admit and I'll tell you Micah's dirty little secret. Micah is guilty of this. Jesus told Micah to bring him quote lovers. Knowing that that would be a hard cell, Micah changed it to friends. And so when he retells that story, he says, "Jesus told me to bring him friends." But that's not what Jesus told him. Jesus told him to bring him lovers. Now, you guys are so freaked out by all this stuff, greeting each other with a holy kiss. It's no wonder why Micah is terrified to tell

you guys That, but I think it's about time the cat comes out of the bag. Jesus told Micah to bring him lovers. Now take that to mean whatever you want it to mean. And if that's too much for you, walk away. If your heart posture towards Christ is not quote whatever, end quote, then your faith probably won't endure till the end anyways. If you have reservations about what it has to look like and what it cannot look like, or else you're walking away, you're Probably going to walk away at some point. You might as well

just go ahead and do it now. The person who prophesies and it turns out that it was from their own heart, from their own imagination, from their own desires and wishful thinking. That is that is actually a lie in the name of God, I think is deceit. The deceit of your own heart. Yeah, totally agreed. Just because it's a positive lie, it doesn't make it okay. And that's the parallel with Jeremiah. Uh here's the verse. I always had a love for the spiritual world. I could always see into the spiritual world. I would also see

them like colors, like little balls of ribbons of I saw these same things when I was a kid. My brother saw them too. And so if this is a delusion, it's a corporate delusion that I myself has seen and my brother saw too. We thought they were demons and they were like little orbs and they were moving up and down the walls and kind of Whispering to each other. I was about four or 5 years old. This was the same year I got saved and addicted to pornography. Uh the neighbor showed me a Playboy magazine

in the trash can at 4 years old and it was like from that point forward something attached and it's been very hard to get rid of it. I'm 38 now and that same year uh I was filled with the Holy Spirit uh at 4 years old. I still remember it. And apparently I witnessed to someone uh we Have some when my mom was dying, we had uh some family friends call in and and tell us a story. And the story they said was they remember when I walked up to them, they walked in the house

and we were in Rochester, New York and I was four years old and I was walked up to them in my underwear. I used to put a belt on in my underwear and pretend and like put a a pillow uh holding on to my back with the belt and I would pretend I was a ninja Turtle. And so I'd walk up I walked up to him like that and I said, "Do you have a personal relationship with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ?" And I was just repeating what my mom told me from uh you

know, vacation Bible school, which she was terrified to teach, but she did it anyways. It was so fruitful. All the kids in the neighborhood got saved. I got saved. I felt the Holy Spirit. God, he's so good. And anyways, those people were atheists and they went And got saved. And then they ended up starting an anti-abortion ministry that saved like tens of thousands of children across the world. Praise the Lord. And so from those early years, there was fruit even in the ministry of my life. Not to my credit, but just to demonstrate some level

of fruit even from an early age. And even back then, I saw those orbs that he's talking about. Light that would just move around people when he was a child play with the Angels. We would we would have our transformer toys out. I would say to Lucas, "Lucas, let's turn off the lights and let's see if the angels come." It was easier to see them when there were no lights on the room cuz a beautiful spark of light would go like that. And I say, "Look, there's one." And there would be another one. And it

just started flashing our rooms, these lights. And then when we turned the light back on, the room was covered in These beautiful feathers. I've never seen the feathers. I've never seen the gold dust. I can't verify that at all. It doesn't seem to be in scripture either. And so my brother started collecting. He started collecting angel. It's sort of an indefeable proposition in that case. Correct. It's an indefeable proposition. Now, luckily, Mike Winger has a feather and gold dust from these supposed Bethl events. and I'm interested to see what's going to Happen when he sends

them to a lab. Um, I'd be interested in looking them under my microscope, too. I'm not a scientist in in the lab respect, but I do have a doctorate in the medical sciences, and I'm, you know, pretty decent at looking at that type of stuff. Um, I don't know that a physical a physically manifested angel feather would be any different than, you know, an animal or if there would be something majestic about it. Um, I don't think that will really Verify anything either way. And my gut tells me that that's going to come back as

like a duck feather or something. Which again, like Mike says, they'll just deny it and say, "Well, that one was fake, but the other ones were real." Again, he's right. These things should be tested. As a matter of fact, I'm still trying to get the Catholics to send me some transsubstantiated biscuits, or even better yet, a true Eucharist miracle. As you can imagine, They haven't responded to that request, you know. And that's that's like where I started, you know, with with um playing with Jesus, playing with the spiritual realm. Jesus. Mike Winger is like the

dude in the Bible who told the kids that they can't come to Jesus because this is mature time. And Jesus is like like rebukes him and says, "Don't inhibit the children from coming to me. Theirs is the kingdom. You adults have to become Like them." I don't understand why he's so confused why Micah is so childlike. The Bible says you have to become like a child to enter the kingdom of heaven. It says the Bible is revealed to children and hidden from the wise and learned. I am so confused why Mike Winger is so obsessed

with this uh childlike nature that Micah Turnbo has and the way he experiences the spiritual world as a child. The Bible seems to say that anyone who can enter and exit from the Kingdom of heaven, which is what Micah Turnb's claiming. Now, I know a lot of people talk about there's a difference between heaven, the kingdom of heaven, and the kingdom of God, but glossing over that for the sake of the video, someone who claims to be moving back and forth between these realms, it would be like Peter Pan. Like literally the faith of a

child, all you have to do is just believe. If anyone could legitimately do that, and especially to the extent that Micah Turnbo is talking about, biblically speaking, you would expect them to be very childlike. Next point. When I got older and the angels start talking to me cuz they before they were just kind of there in my teens, they started talking to me. They would appear and sit on my bed and I would get like, you know, just kind of startled cuz they then they were like full figured like a purple. Now, I've never had

angels talk to me, but I did see one once. I was Finishing up medical school. I was in Nepal. This was right around the time COVID was ramping up. And uh I was dating a Catholic girl at the time. And this is part of how I got so in in in the trenches of Catholicism and really understanding the nuanced deep issues. And we were going back and forth. We had agreed to be truth seekers and basically just say whatever is actually true. I'll become Catholic if it's true or you'll become Protestant if it's true or

we'll Both become atheist or Muslim or Hindu if that's true. like we had made a deal and a pact to not try to uh go with man-made traditions and what we wanted but rather to seek truth whatever the the destination whatever the cost she reigged on that and started uh praying to St. Jerome to convert me to be a Catholic without telling me. It's crazy though because this is when I started hearing the Holy Spirit. I came in one day and she was on her knees with her Hands in the air and I'm like, "Wow,

what a you know what a great thing. I'm dating this woman." Given we were living together and having sex, we shouldn't have been. Um but I'm dating this woman who um you know loves the Lord and the Holy Spirit said she's not praying to me. And I was like I was like what? Like I literally heard it in my head and it was like I wasn't used to hearing the Holy Spirit at the time and I'm like is that you like and he said I asked her And so she got up and I said who

are you praying to and her face she's like Indian so like her face was brown but it turned like white and she's like I said are you praying to angels and she said how did how could you possibly know that? I was like I think the Holy Spirit just told me. So, uh, anyways, right around that time, one of those nights, I was laying in bed and I heard, "Open your eyes." So, I opened my eyes and I didn't see anything. And he's Like, "No, open your eyes." But I I knew that I understood that

to mean close your eyes. So I closed my eyes and as my physical eyelids were closing like my spiritual eyelids open kind of like it talks about how the eyes of the pupil of Elijah were open and he could see the fire angels and chariots and everything and there was this freaking angel standing there and he was like like 7 feet tall kind of like Micah describes. He was made of fire, kind of like Marbleized fire, very stoic. He was standing guard and he just was chilling. He wasn't looking at me. I could see his

like back, but he had he didn't have any defensive weapons like a shield or anything. He had two offensive weapons, a sword and a spear. And I didn't know anything about angels at the time. And I told my girlfriend at the time in the morning and she said, "That's Michael." She's like, "He's the only one that has Two offensive weapons." And then uh you know I was named after this guy. Um not to say like in a Catholic way, but my parents named me after the Archangel Michael. So anyways, very interesting. I saw that with

my own spiritual eyes. And so uh it's a little easier for me to swallow some of this stuff because I'm like, well, I've had the experiences and I've seen it in scripture. Um and so I understand how this would come across to someone who hasn't. But let's keep Going. even has teaching that is definitely unbiblical that he says he got from private revelation. Plus, he also has stories of visions in some cases that contradict that prove that he's making stuff up. I'm waiting, bro. I keep hearing you say this. The only thing I've seen you

bring up so far are examples of things that frustrate you that you can't find in scripture. Now, let me explain the reason why I don't have a problem with that. 2 John 1:12 That says, "I have much more to write to you, but I do not want to use paper and ink. Instead, I hope to visit you and talk face to face so that our joy may be complete." Here, the author is saying that he has more to say that isn't written in the Bible. John 21:25, Jesus did many other things as well. If every

one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have enough room for the books that would be written. This is not Just a reference to Jesus did a bunch of stuff and if we wrote it all down, there wouldn't be enough paper. This is the Bible we're talking about. This is the inspired, inherent, infallible word of the living God. This means something deeper than what it actually says. This is a reference to the fact that you yourself are a gospel of Jesus Christ. My life is the gospel of Jesus

according to Michael Cochini. When I get to heaven and when you get to heaven, people like King David might run up to us and say, "Hey, wow, you're here. Please tell me about your story. Tell me what Jesus did for you." And we're like, "What are you talking about? You're King David. Tell me about your story." And King David might say something along the lines of, "Don't you understand that you are a gospel of Jesus that heaven hasn't heard yet? Think about it. I'm not talking about adding to scripture. I'm not talking about another gospel.

I'm Talking about another testimony of the same gospel of Jesus Christ that he saved you despite yourself by grace through faith for every good work, but not by works and not through works lest any man boast. When this is talking about books that have stories about all the things Jesus did, it's referring to us. The reason you can't write it down is because those stories are still happening. Jesus is still saving people. This idea that everything that's ever Happened and that Jesus ever did is contained in scripture is ironically not supported by scripture. Additionally, there

are almost two dozen other books referenced directly in scripture itself. The book of the wars of the Lord, the book of Jasher, the chronicles of the kings of Israel and the kings of Judah, the book of the acts of Solomon, book of the annals of King David, book of Samuel the seer, so on and so forth. There's even letters referenced in the New Testament that aren't included in the New Testament, like Paul's early letter to the Corinthians mentioned in 1 Corinthians 5:9 and the epistle to Leodysia mentioned in Colossians 4:16. Don't turn off discernment because

you've you've heard someone tell you that something happened when they were a child. You keep using this word discernment, but I don't think you know what it means. The way you're using discernment is common sense. If it Meshes in with your systematic theology of what you think you already know and if it passes the common sensical test of logic and what you've experienced in your life, but anything outside of that is weird. Now, there are things in the Bible that you admit are weird. But because they're in the Bible, and submitting to what the Bible

says is part of your systematic theology, you've inculcated the weird parts of scripture and normalized them as now nonweird. So Now, anything outside of that is weird. And so this really is the standard you're drawing. If it bugs you and if it's weird, then it's not of God. Because all the weird stuff in the Bible, like in Revelation and Ezekiel, are now no longer weird because they're mentioned directly in scripture and scripture itself is not weird because you've already accepted that as part of your systematic theology. And so you've negotiated this mental understanding to Pacify

the sense of cognitive dissonance that you get from all the weird stuff that is mentioned in scripture. Whereas the Bible's talking about your mind governed by your spirit. Going up to the spirit is where discernment kicks in. You're using the word discernment as interchangeable with common sense. We see in Hebrews 5:11, "About this we have much to say, and it is hard to explain since you have become dull of hearing." Other translations say, "No longer Interested in understanding. For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the

basic principles of the oracles of God. You need milk and not solid food. For everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness since he is a child. But solid food is for the mature. Now, ironically, being mature in the scriptures means being childlike in the spirit. As Jesus said, God has revealed these things to children and Hidden them from the wise and learned. Becoming spiritually mature means to become more childlike in spirit in your faith. Now, yes, study to find yourself approved. There's even a verse that says the intellect is an

organ of worship to God. Praise God. But your mind needs to be governed underneath your spirit. for those who have their power of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil. Mike Winger is using the word discernment, But he's conflating it with common sense intellectualism. Now, how do I know that powers of discernment is not referring to common sense intellectualism? 1 Corinthians 2 12-16. Now we have received not by the spirit of the world but by the spirit who is from God that we might understand the things freely given to us by God.

And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the spirit interpreting spiritual truths to those Who are spiritual. Mike Winger is not spiritual. He's intellectual. He thinks discernment means understanding the things that God has freely given to us as taught by human wisdom. But this verse is saying we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the spirit. This is spiritual discernment. The natural person Mike Winger does not accept the things of the spirit of God. Like for instance, the things Micah Turnbo is talking about, For

they are folly to him. And isn't this Mike Winger's position that the things of the spirit are foolishness? Ask Mike Winger if he understands the difference between the soul and the spirit. Ask him to do a whole teaching on it. And he, Mike Winger, is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. Mike Winger is talking about discernment, but he's conflating it with intellectual common sense when this verse is clearly telling Us that these things are spiritually discerned, not intellectually understood. The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by

none. For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. He even has teaching that is definitely unbiblical that he says he got from private revelation. Plus, he also has stories of visions in some cases that contradict the Boogeyman. Like, you're losing all your credibility, bro. Let me show you what he's talking about. Second Peter 120. Knowing first of all that no prophecy of scripture comes from someone's own interpretation. There's no private interpretation of scripture. He's saying that Micah Turnbust stuff is outside of scripture,

which ironically protects him from this allegation. He's not trying to Reinterpret scripture based on his in his own personal experiences. He's saying, "Mike, don't you get it, bro? You're you're like hodge podgeing this together. It's like uh what's the It's like one of those ransom notes that like there's pieces cut up the letters from each thing and it's like um like glued together to try to make it into some like coherent thing. Ironically, Mike Winger is an example of What he's talking about. Oh man. By using his own human mind to tell you what scripture

means, he is giving you a private revelation of scripture from his own mind. It has to come through the Holy Spirit. Look at Mike Winger's video and tell me that the Holy Spirit told him to do this. Mike Winger used his mind to read the Bible and determine that he thinks the scriptur is telling him to do This. He's not listening to the cues of the spirit. He doesn't even know what that means. The closest he would get to thinking he understands what that means is the concept of it as described in the Bible through

his mind. He is not a spiritual man. He is an intellectual. You're trying to eat your cake and still have it too, bro. You're saying that Micah Turnbbo's experiences are not found in scripture. And then you're also saying that Micah Turnbo's experiences Are a private revelation that reinterprets scripture. Those are not the same thing. Even has teaching that is definitely unbiblical that he says he got from private revelation. Do you see how that's an oxymoron? If it's unbiblical, it means it's not in scripture. And so the private revelation verse doesn't apply to it. It would

have to be a reinterpretation of scripture. Plus, he also has stories of visions in some cases that contradict. Now, he's Saying that Micah has stories that he tells that contradict one another. I don't think he's saying here contradict scripture. Although he makes that claim, I believe specifically with Micah Turnbo's claim that we pre-existed, which doesn't violate scripture. it violates Mike Winger's mental understanding of scripture as I already explained in the beginning of this video. But he's saying because Micah's stories contradict each other or that He's told the same story multiple times with different details that

this means it's not of God. No, it does not. It means that Micah Turnbo is a human being who is not held to a perfect standard in his flesh. It doesn't mean that the revelation he got is wrong. It doesn't mean that he didn't experience what he claims to experience. It means that the memory stored in his fallible human mind as he's retelling that story is prone to error like the rest of us. For example, Earlier in this video, I meant to say Micah Turnbo, but I said Mike Winger. If you caught that mistake, that's

an example of my human mind making a mistake. That proved that he's making stuff up. Here's the bladed angel. I was at the park in downtown Cincinnati. There were a lot of kids around. This angel was huge. I mean, 13 ft tall. He was made out of knives, blades of knives. If there were demons that approached, and now this honest truth, Behind around him, there would be, let's just say, body parts of demons that he had dismantled cuz he was protecting the kids. So, this angel is is violent. Yeah. But not towards kids, but he's

he's fighting off demons. I don't know what kind of trauma this would do to you if you were a child hearing this story. Then you're thinking, I'm playing and there's demons trying to attack me and there's bladed Angels slicing them into pieces. Have you read the Bible, bro? I'm having a hard time believing Mike Winger is sincere on this. Judges 19:29. And when he entered his house, he took a knife and taking hold of his concubine, he divided her limb by limb into 12 pieces and sent her throughout all the territory of Israel. 2 Kings

2:es 23- 24. He went up to there from Bethl. And while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the City and jered at him, saying, "Go up, you bald head. Go up, you bald head." And he turned around. This is Elijah. And when he saw them, he cursed them in the name of the Lord. That's interesting. And two she bears came out of the woods and tore 42 of the boys. 2 Samuel 24:16. And when the angel stretched out his hand towards Jerusalem to destroy it, the Lord relented from

the calamity and said to the angel who was working destruction among the People, "It is enough. Now stay your hand." And the angel of the Lord was by the threshing floor of Aruna, the Jebusite. It looks to me, bro, like the Bible and angels are pretty violent that the spiritual world is exactly as Micah Turnbo is describing it. Maybe his interpretation of it is childlike. That doesn't mean that all the events that happen in the spiritual world are childlike, but that you would need to be like a child to enter into it. And if You're

enough of a child to enter into it, your perspective of that world would be that of a child. Next point. And this is the vision you're getting of of life. And it it played with like pretty music, but what he's describing is horrific and scary and terrifying. Um, and if in fact it's just him imagining things, then this is this is inappropriate. If you do watch this, I I think you are um I think I think you need to talk to someone you respect Um who can tell you that there's there's danger ahead for you.

There's danger behind, there's danger ahead, and you're a danger to others. And um I don't know any other way to say this. There's visions of your own head that you you think you can make them safe by trying to make them as biblical as you can, but you go off the rails, man. You're way off the rails. This video is going to show it. This is the honest truth. I had this thing where me and the angels, we Would play and I I would poke them. I still do this to this day. If I meet

an angel that I haven't met before, I will poke them. I will go up to them and I would poke them just to see if I could get them to smile if they're a little bit more stoic. This is his habit. I'm just going to poke the angels. That's my my my my intention. Um he then goes on to talk about with this bladed angel how he couldn't poke it. And so what he did instead was he walked up to it, but the Angel could read his mind. So it knew that he wanted to poke

it and the angel he couldn't cuz the blades. So the angel just sort of smiled at him and then he knew that the was angel was a nice angel. He likes to discuss these things. He likes to talk about stuff like Michael the archangel is really stern but Michael the archangel loves children and so if you bring up children or show them children he'll smile and it will soften his sternness. This is the Infantilization of spiritual things. We don't see this in scripture about having angels on your worship team and church greeters and children's ministry.

God calls that lying when you share prophecies that aren't really from him. It's not an oopsie. You lied in the name of God. That's a big deal. Visions that he didn't give, God's not okay with that. Even if they're positive, even if they're childlike. So, here's a here's a prophecy. And I remember the Lord told Me that. He said, "Micah, it's going to become common. Angelic ministry in in the normal life is going to be common because it needs to be because of what the Lord is intensifying on the earth. It's going to be normal

for us to see angels part of the worship team, part of the greeters team, part working in children's church, and people are just going to see them. I believe that's coming. It won't be like a rare thing to see an angel and then not see them Anymore, but see them all the time and them being part of the family. Biblically speaking, I think Micah Turnbo may be explaining this incorrectly. 2 Corinthians 3:16-18 says, "But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away." This doesn't seem to be described as a thinning of the

veil, but that the veil is completely removed. Verse 17. Now the Lord is the spirit, and where the spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And we All who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord's glory are being transformed into his image with everinccreasing glory, which comes from the Lord who is the spirit. I don't think the veil is thinning. I think the glory is ever increasing for those who are already unveiled. And I think as our faith grows deeper in Christ, we will be able to see these things more and more. This is not

unbiblical. Okay. I believe in angels. Yes, angelic world Real, but his version of it is not real. That's the thing. What about your version, Mike? This sterile Jesus who doesn't want to be intimate with his bride. If you're wrong, your folks are going to hear Depart from Me, I never knew you. Your whole channel is called Thinking Biblically with Mike Winger. And it's about a book that says that God is no respector of the human mind. It says your mind needs to be subjugated to your spirit. It says God, the author of The book, has

hidden it from the wise and the learned and revealed it to little children. Now you're using your intellect and your wisdom and your scholarly prowess to tell us why Micah Turnbo is too childlike. Are you not seeing the problem with this approach? Next point. Been to heaven. Yes. You know, I'm brushing my teeth and gets swept up in in into heaven. I have been on the toilet, get caught up into heaven. I Have had that happen. I have been playing video games. got caught up into heaven and my character is is is is defeated on

the on the I'm playing a fighting game just well because I went to heaven and they, you know, I left my controller there. Again, I already addressed this. The Bible says that Paul himself knew a man 14 years ago at the time of the writing, of course, that was caught up into heaven and Paul's not sure if it was in body or in spirit. I Think that Bethl church in writing, California is partly responsible for this. I know that Bethl was an influence at least for a while in Micah's own church. Okay, I agree. Bethl

uh straight heretical, right? Grave soaking. It's right up there with the cult of relics. Now, even that could be construed as biblical. For example, the man thrown on the bones of Elijah, which is where they justify these things from. I disagree. I think grave soaking is ancestor worship. I'm not a fan of Bethl. And funny enough, Mike Winger brings up that Bethl claims there were angels having a farting contest. When I watched through this the first time, I imagined I was just going to throw Bethl under the bus and bypass this objection. But when I

prayed about it, God had other plans. I can't believe I'm about to defend farting angels, but when I sought the Lord on this, his response was, "Did I make humans?" And I said, "Yes." And He said, "Do humans have farting contests?" And I said, "Please don't tell me you're going to have me publicly defend an angel farting contest." And I said, "Yes, humans have farting contests." And he said, "Do you think anything exists in your world that doesn't testify to the spiritual world?" And I said, "No, the Bible says all creation testifies specifically to the

glory of God." And he showed me that what Mike Winger is doing is denying That all creation testifies. Mike Winger believes there are things in our world like ice cream and farting that angels don't participate in in their world. What God showed me when I asked him about this is that while the angels are fascinated by our world, the things they have access to in their world are far greater and more dynamic than what we have access to in our world. For everything there is in our world, there is a version of that in the

spiritual World. And so if we have ice cream, you can bet that they have ice cream. If we have farting contests, you can bet that they have farting contests. I'm trying to remember exactly what God said in the spirit, but it was essentially, "Who says I can't give angels personalities?" If you've ever interacted with a demon, you know they have personalities. You'll notice this theme with Mike Winger. He continually claims to be absolutely sure that there are things that exist in our Reality that do not exist in the spiritual world. They cannot exist. they must

not exist. But that's not what the Bible says. Mike Winger is trying to get you to believe that all creation does not testify. Only some of it. Here's what I'm not saying. I'm not saying Micah says weird stuff, so he's not so he's not from the Lord. Ezekiel says weird stuff. The Bible has some strange things and visions and stuff in it. Yes. But it's not infantilizations. It's not Just that it's weird. It's that it's you've taken the teeth out of heaven. you've infantilized God and spiritual things. This okay, I already addressed this. Mike Winger's

standard is that it's weird. It's just that the weird things mentioned in scripture are already inculcated under the umbrella of his systematic theology, which takes the teeth out of them. Ironically, it makes them no Longer weird. And so for him, now it all makes perfect sense. Again, the problem with this is that the things of God do not make sense to us. but they work. The things of man make sense to us, but they do not work. Mike Winger is trying to get everything to fit perfectly like a little mathematical equation because that's the satisfaction

you get from accepting a systematic theology. Next point, this is a red flag. God likes spicy food. Jesus has a sweet tooth According to Micah. The father that the father has a body, a a spiritual body that's basically like a physical body and he likes eating spicy food according to Micah. That sounds like Mormon theology to me. I've already addressed this point about how God likes food. But notice what he says at the end. This sounds like Mormon theology. Now, Mormonism is a saved by works cult, but even a broken clock is right twice a

day. Mike Winger and these types of guys Tend to form their theology as the inverse of what they've seen abused. If the Catholics do it, it's deplorable. If the Mormons do it, it's deplorable. And in doing so, they become predictable and subject to the devil's reverse psychology based on what could be described as an oppositional defiance disorder. The Catholics worship Mary, so screw Mary. When in fact, we should love Mary. We should just accept that she's not answering our prayers. She's not a God. She's a dead woman who was a sinner and like to have

sex with her husband. Watch for this pattern with Mike Winger. He tends to do this quite a bit where he forms his theology as the inverse of what he's seen other people abuse. That God would just be sitting on his throne all the time. No, God goes for walks. He walks around, you know, he has like favorite things. Like God loves spicy and salty food. Jesus has the sweet tooth. This is all you have to know um To be able to say, "Hey, there's a red flag here." Okay, Mike Winger is saying this is sufficient

evidence that Micah Turnbo is either insane or a heretic. But the Bible describes Jesus as being hungry. It describes God the Father as making a wedding feast. It even says Jesus is fasting from wine until the wedding. Matthew 26:26-29. While they were eating, Jesus took bread and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to the disciples Saying, "Take and eat. This is my body." Then he took a cup and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it all of you. This is my blood of the

covenant which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. I tell you, I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until the day when I drink it new with you in my father's kingdom. Luke 7:33-35. For John the Baptist came, neither eating bread nor drinking wine. John the Baptist didn't eat much food, and you said he has a demon. They called John the Baptist demon-possessed because he didn't eat food. But Jesus comes eating and drinking. And you say he is a glutton and a drunkard. Mike Winger wants you

to think that Jesus ate and drank but did not have a sweet tooth. He didn't enjoy savory food. He didn't like spices and salt. God created spices. God created salt. God created sugar. How in the world are you going to get on the Internet and tell people with certainty that the God who created spices doesn't like spices? and you're going to try to derail an entire ministry based on this as evidence. What you're doing is extremely dangerous. Mike Winger, this is not good scholarship. There's a red flag here. You've taught us something about the nature

of God that seems to disagree with the teachings of scripture. Does it disagree with the teachings of scripture, Mike Winger? The God who created food doesn't like food. The God who created salt doesn't like salt. The God who created sugar doesn't like sugar. Bro, I've got to call you to repent for this. You are doing what you just accused Micah Turnbo of. And the punishment for doing this as you warned Micah Turnbo about is severe. You are a teacher and you're held to a higher standard. The father does not have a body and Michael described

as a large humanoid type body, larger than average, Right? So he's very tall, very big. That's exactly how Joseph Smith described the father. Um, yes, there's visionary experiences where God appears in a type of form. He's usually not described, the father, um, or, you know, he's on the throne. He's usually not described. All we need in scripture is one description, not multiple. Mike Winger should be fired for this. This is what happens when you get basically a cessationist to try to teach about Spiritual things. He's way out of his league. He's throwing rocks into the

promised land from the desert. And he has absolutely no idea what he's talking about. Daniel 7:9, I watched till the thrones plural, were put in place, and the ancient of days, that's the father, was seated. His garment was white as snow. And the hair on his head was like pure wool. His throne was a fiery flame, its wheels a burning fire. Then down in verse 13, I Was watching in the night visions and behold, one like the son of man, this is Jesus. This is why there are multiple thrones here, coming with the clouds of

heaven. And he, Jesus, came to the ancient of days, the father, and they brought him, Jesus, near before him, the father. Now the Bible does say that Jesus Christ is the image of the invisible God which means God the father is invisible to us which means no one would be able to see him. But clearly That does not mean that no one can see him because here in infallible inherent scripture in Daniel 7 he describes what he looks like. Mike Winger is trying to get by this by saying he's not described many times. if he's

described one time in scripture that is God breathed, infallible, inherent scripture. Rouselon tried to pull this crap, too. Rouselon said in a comment, and get this, the number of times something's referenced in scripture means that you can use it To delete other scriptures because they aren't as frequently used. That is heretical. These guys are not good biblical teachers. They do not have the Holy Spirit teaching them these things. I'm not saying they're not saved. I'm saying for though by this time they ought to be teachers and sadly they are actually teachers, they need someone to

teach them the basic principles of the oracles of God again because their powers of discernment are not being Trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil. They should not be teaching. Now, a lot of people miss that Nebuchadnezzar is a king who's created an image of himself for his own glory. That's what the Bible says about God. He's a king who created us in his own image for his own glory. This is what kings do. They make images of themselves for their own glory. Jesus is the image of the invisible God. He's the statue

of the king. Now, he's much more Than that. The entire godhead is present in Christ. Christ is God in the flesh. But when you bow to the statue of the king, you are bowing to the king by proxy. And when you bow to Jesus Christ, you are bowing to the father. That's why Jesus says, "If you've seen me, you're looking at the father because he is the perfect image of the father." Now, we are images of the father, too. We're image bearers, but we're imperfect. Which is why Jesus is sent to us to show Us

exactly what the image is supposed to look like. so we can start to resemble it. The Holy Spirit would be like the sculptor who's chiseling us into the image of Christ. So that when we resemble Christ perfectly, we now resemble the father perfectly. And this is not by works. It's not by achieving sinlessness. It's not even through the perfect fulfillment of our sanctification. Jesus is the perfector of our faith. We put on the Lord Jesus Christ like a garment and that's how we end up looking like Jesus. Because when the father looks at us, he

sees Jesus. Just like when we look at Jesus, we see the father. Jesus is the bridge. He's the interface. When we look at Jesus, we see the father. And when the father sees us dressed in the clothing of Jesus by grace through faith, he sees Jesus. And this is what allows us to enter heaven. Um, yes, there's visionary experiences where God appears in a type of form. He's usually not described the father um or you know he's on the throne but we're just we just get the training of his robe just now he's lying. Mike

Winger is literally lying right now. I just showed you in Daniel 7 where he has a head with hair and this is the father because the son is also mentioned juxtaposed to the ancient of days. Mike Winger just lied and he needs to repent for this. This is all I can stomach right now. I'm going to go ahead and post this video and I Will work on trying to get through the rest of Mike Winger's reckless garbage attack against Micah Turnbo and I'll post that when it's ready. Now, you guys want me to rebuke Micah

Turnbo? I've got a rebuke for Micah Turnbo. If you've allowed this level of shoddy biblical scholarship to derail your ministry, stop being a coward. You claim to have stood in the throne room of the living God. How in the world are you going to be shook over a stupid YouTube video if What you're saying is true? You are obligated to live and not die. You are not allowed to sit down and die on this. Now, let me tell you guys something about my friend Micah Turnbo. While he gets criticized for being effeminite and not being

masculine, he's actually jacked. When you give Micah Turnbo a hug, you're afraid that he's going to try to beat you up. He works out like a fiend. He also trains MMA. He could literally tap you guys out. But that's Not even the most impressive thing about him. Call it schizophrenia if you want, but Micah Turnbo has woken up before and had the devil standing in his kitchen. A scene that would derail the lives of most of you. And he looks the devil in the eyes and tells him, "Get out of my way. I want my

coffee." That's how he wakes up in the morning. The level of courage that shows is off the charts. Now, if that is actually real, this dude is a warrior of unspeakable proportion To the kingdom of God. Micah told me a story privately once of a guy trying to astral project into his apartment. The dude shows up and Micah says, "If you don't get out of here in 3 seconds, I'm going to cut your cord." Do you know what cutting someone's cord means? Read Ecclesiastes 12 where it says, "Before the silver cord is snapped." Shooting someone

in the face with an M4 would be nicer than cutting someone's cord. Micah Turnbo is not a coward. You looking at His hair and listening to his voice and determining that he's a feminine, is the same mistake Israel made in electing Saul king because he was tall. When in fact, David, the shorter of the two, was the better king. You're judging with your own eyes. Micah Turnbo is so far beyond Alpha. The reason you guys think he's beta is because he doesn't feel the need to tell you his secret business. Did you know that he

could kick your ass in MMA? Did you know he could bench Press you? Real men don't need you to know about their secret manliness. And Mike Turnbo is probably the greatest example of that that I know. Effeminite masculinity actually looks like men not leading their families. Now, these men could have 22-in biceps. They could shoot all the guns they want. But until they understand their identity in Christ, they're not going to be able to achieve the level of manliness the Bible is calling us men to. Micah Turnbo knows Exactly who he is in Christ, and

I would argue, ironically, that he's more of a man than you'll ever be. All right, I hope this all made sense. I will see you in part