DANIEL CRUZ (CRIMES & PSICOLOGIA CRIMINAL) - PODPEOPLE #200

[Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] you who are waiting for the beginning of the episode Don't forget to subscribe to the channel, share the content and press the Bell to receive all the news, our guest today is a writer and researcher specializing in violent crimes, author of the books Jeff on the Trail of Madness and Cruel Angels, with more than 15 years of experience in the study of human behavior and criminology, he uncovers the secrets behind criminal cases and the motivations of Extreme acts in today's meeting we will address psychological aspects of violent crimes, including early

signs of psychopathy In childhood, the motivations and profile of serial killers, curious facts about crimes and how social networks and the dark web influence violence among young people with you Daniel Cruz [Music] Hello everyone, welcome to another episode of pod people a place where we meet to see and hear people People who Do People who happen People who inspire our guest today are a writer, researcher and the his name is Daniel Cruz but on the networks you will find it as @ oav crime everything is good my dear It's great that you accepted our invitation

thank you I appreciate the invitation Bia it's a pleasure to be here I hope we can have a pleasant conversation about a topic very dense dense and difficult PR information for people, right, dear, before I start, I wanted to ask you a little question, what are your goals for 2025, which are you starting to improve yourself B I think I always have this this this this thought this goal to always be a better person then sometimes people have goals, we have material goals, for sure, right, but it ends up that we put this as a

priority, since Personal growth for me is more important than these material goals, these things and material goals, do you have any material goals? Yes, I have the a goal for this year to publish another book, you know, so you're going to travel a lot more. Yes, you'll probably go to more podcasts. You'll travel when you pack a suitcase, which is fundamental when choosing the clothes you're going to pack. where you are going to work, but you can also go to a city and enjoy seeing something that It's essential that you put it in your suitcase,

it's essential to put some personal items in your suitcase, uhm, because sometimes when we get somewhere, you know, and we end up forgetting something, sometimes we don't, but I'm talking about clothes, let's talk about personal clothes, we have to briefcase toothbrush toothbrush you shaver, right Look at the shirt I think and fit for me clothes the fit you know the most important thing is exactly the fit and practicality C Prade for example it has to be light clothes light clothes so as not to pack a heavy suitcase that the people You walk from airport to

airport when you check in when we don't need to check in the suitcase, it's A very light suitcase It's good, yes, it's exactly Well, then there's good news for you, you know it. It's an insider, yes, I know it. Yes, you have insider clothes, yes. oh, which Tech t-shirt is yours? It's a favorite among men, and I only have one, ahem, so you're going to get another one. Look, look, I 'm saying that I already used insider before I had a podcast, and precisely because of this practicality, right? Because it's one The brand is very

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it's a skirt that, if you get rained on, it dries on you, it's wonderful, even down to the detail there that I put my cell phone in, I put a little bit of money in it and I'm ready for anything for a meeting at lunchtime But also a little show or theater and with the odor evaporation technology, you know, sweat, it doesn't retain the odor so you can stay all day but my goal is to travel a lot to work work good good partnerships and I'm going to do a lot of air transport I'm also

going to do a lot of traveling to the Northeast PR for lectures so my suitcase has to be very neat and I joke to everyone So 2024 was a year in which a lot of things changed but what was right In my life it was having insider clothes to travel very quickly and do everything I have to do and it's really worth it the clothes don't weigh you down So you go, I have a skirt that I've already engraved with it that turns into an exit on the beach she is beautiful but it turns into

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is also helping we bring more people and more knowledge But there's one thing that few people talk about is the quick drying, we don't talk much about the insider pieces because you wash them, I wash the panties in the shower, wherever I have them, I put them on in the morning, okay? dry is impressive This makes it a lot easier and there's my favorite which is Suí, right? It's a bit cold so I throw it over here, we 're here in the air conditioning, I always have it here close by, throw it on the screen

so we can see, look at this one I I'm using it, we're the one textur, right, that's the Texture vest Texture vest, right, it's this blue one But it comes in different colors and the skirt I'm wearing is the mid Kyoto one, folks, Unbeatable, Unbeatable, even for going anywhere, it has this little charm about it being uneven, right, I love it, darling I have a gift here from Insider for you, I don't know if you have this color, you can open it and you know that this bag is wonderful because you throw it in the

washing machine and it never pills on your shirt, so I thought this color was very It suits you, it's not very pretty, It's not that one, you don't have it, so it's already there, you can use it at Christmas and New Year's Eve this coming year, thank you very much, I really appreciate it, my dear pleasure, but come on, it's a bit like wine, which we talked about like this, the theme Today there's a little bit of blood, there's a little bit of pulse, so first Daniel wanted to know how you're an engineer, you can

throw it aside, well, then the children will pack everything for you to take And since you're an engineer, you became interested so early in behavior and a dark side of human behavior in this matter of crimes of violence of things that are inexplicable to most people, right And how did you migrate from engineering, did you start the blog, right, you had more than 1000 cases there It was a success, your blog, ooav crime, right, and then the writer tell me a little bit about this so D Beatriz I can call you Bia P love and

now almost mine let's start again Hi Bia, how are you? It's okay that I'm going to call you Dani in a little while so Bia and this interest is not an interest very common, right, I think that some people even find it a little strange, they think it's a little different, right, and so I usually say that it's not us, Well I'll speak for myself, right, I'm not the one who chooses my interests, if it's not us that we choose our interests S the interests that choose us in some way are in some way so

I believe that we are born, grow up and have contact with certain subjects and that certain subject ends up making sense to us and you had contact with this type of criminal behavior violent to the point that it causes you that reason and looking for answers was a bit of an enigma for me, you know, when I came into contact with stories, mainly what fascinated me . a whole narrative around these cases, right, within the media, it's always that narrative of the extremely intelligent individual, sometimes charisma, who is sometimes successful within society, I don't know

what, and then out of nowhere there's another parallel life parallel to that. who commits these atrocities huh, then it was reading so reading Exactly because so the Cal Killer He has always been talked about a lot in American society, Right, there was Ted Band which was an emblematic thing and Ted Band was a serial killer who for a long time remained the greatest serial killer in history and he had one thing that I think was very bad for society for him it must have been wonderful because he caught on when television started broadcasting live trials

Yes, so he knew how to use the media, especially television media, in a way that no other someone else had done it world until then he became almost a star yes he instrumentalized it there, right? All of American society through the media, right? It's around his image and he knew how to distort things to the point where most people felt sorry for him, yes, people collaborated. for him to pay, they donated money so he could pay the lawyer, yes, and it exists and existed, a whole image was created around him, right, and an image that

was even strangely positive, right, because like, oh, he was ooo charming, charismatic, handsome, handsome, charismatic, a lawyer, right? so and some positions that he had within society, which in fact weren't even great positions, right, but that society saw as positive Because it really is, right ? He had knowledge that in the hands of the wrong people like him they could manipulate a mass, exactly like that and took the focus completely away from what he was, right from the crimes he committed, from who Ted Band really was, right? In other words, a person is a monster,

right? committed horrible atrocities and took the lives of several women and this was denied, right, and it was mythologized, so we have within society this distortion that I believe exists, you know, that of mythification, that's why I think your work is so important, because like that, even today there are people who attribute like that, no, but he must have some trauma, no, he must have been abused, as if that would make mere child abuse produce killers, no, that would happen, we would have a lot more seral, that is, if that were an absolute truth, I

think even the human population would be even smaller because child abuse exists very, very, very much, right ? determining factor exactly, many schools tried to explain child abuse in this case it would make sense to that subject but it is not just child abuse that is present in the pathology of that subject and many other cases we don't even see, right, child abuse has others cases we are talking about Ted Band but there are other cases that When we do a previous investigation into the life of the criminal of the serial killer , it's the

serial killer . he was a child who abused other children of animals, that is to say, if it reverses a little, it does invert exactly because then you'll see, it was really him who was the aggressor And since he was a child and sometimes as a child, the family, the people who have been around for a long time Turn a blind eye, yes, it's just a child, just a child, it's a bad creation, Right ? like that of cial kilos that you read or saw or followed that awakened you that uncovered this interest is like

I want to know more about this I like that perhaps the most famous one is that he was the stripper Jack, right? I think he's the most famous in history, right? What never? was caught and like that, but what initially caught my attention the most and what made me want to study more and research was the case of Jeff dummer, you have a book, right ? Guys, this book is recent, it was published in 2023, 2023, Jeff's life and crimes on the trail of madness are like this, this book is the first one that you

caught the most attention, it was the first one that caught my attention the most, so from the beginning I started researching the case . the interesting case that I was thinking about here is what makes a person so interested in this, I think that Inexplicable things are very uncomfortable for those who really like knowledge, yes, right, we search like that, no, but it's not possible, we have to have something here that why would it give us the opportunity to prevent ourselves because we are very vulnerable as human beings, yes, we don't have the slightest idea

of ​​what this monster could be, disguised exactly like that, so it's like I usually say, right, it's not written on anyone's forehead and not even on the face, right, sometimes when you Look, these cases are men, there are women too, but less so, the majority are men But you look like this and you don't see anything suspicious, there are suspects, right, you look and say, you see the one on the side with a bad face yes, right, it's just the same as the case of Jeffrey dummer, right, he talks a little bit about Jeff Jeffrey,

so Jeffrey dammer, he was an American murderer, right? He was arrested in 1991 and when he was arrested, in fact, he was a victim who managed to escape from his apartment, the police came back because he he had handcuffed the boy and the boy had the handcuffs in his hand and was running down the street and the police saw him and thought he was a criminal who was running away from a car something like that he said no someone a crazy boy Handcuffed me in his apartment and you guys go back there with me because

I want to take the handcuffs off my wrist here and he has the key there The police came back and that's when he found out because his apartment was full of bodies, you know, pieces of bodies from their victims PED color so and then he was arrested and he admitted it straight away he admitted it right away in relation to the guy who ran away, yes when the police came back with the guy he no no he didn't admit it he said it's not just a joke we called him joking yeah I was kidding I

called him here to drink with me here in my apartment here I handcuffed him as a joke and so on, right, we were going to have consensual sex, it's exactly to take a little bit of it, so in fact, like this, and the situation itself It was quite terrifying, right? Because when they were in the apartment, because like that What is Je Framb's operating mode? He would go out to nightclubs, streets and shopping malls to approach men, right? Then he would approach his victims in those places, right? So he approached this specific victim in the

vicinity of a shopping mall and convinced him to go to the apartment. Let's not go to him, let's drink and Talk a little he also offered money I won't give you 50 dollars here because I'm a photographer to take some photos I don't know what and then when these boys entered the apartment they never came out again, right because alive, right alive exactly He left in parts It came out in parts, exactly because he sometimes even left a glass with pills Ron, which is for insomnia sprayed in the glass, then he would come, pour a

drink and give it to the guest, the guest didn't even notice, it was already Good Night Cinderella is Good Night Cinderella is so then he incapacitates these men through Good Night cell And then he H ah continued with the murder there, he completed the murder and did All those barbarities that we know from the dammer case, right this specifically the quartered, sedated, yeah In a few cases like this, there were two or three in which the victims were killed without sedation, but most of the time he sedated Uhm, he said it was a more humane

way of killing someone, it's just that it's This statement is quite tragic for a person who is going to dismember another to say that it was humanity you are going to take the person's life So don't Inter this way you are going to take the life The result is one and the same, right you go, you are taking the life of the individual that you have no right to do that and but He said in his later confession, right? I said he had this more humane way that I think of humanity, it's a more humane

way that I found of murdering the bi because No, it wasn't something pleasant For me, the murder itself is in fact Ah, I believe this to be true because his pleasure came after death, right in this case, what do you mean, let's tell the story straight that people don't know, yes, that's how he had Ah, a distorted concept of relationships, right, he was a needy guy, a needy guy and who always sought to have the company of men but he was not capable of having a normal relationship of approaching the man in a way he

was homosexual to approach that man and talk to him ask him out for a date no yes like any relationship Should be no know how to exchange ideas about these internships, right, so what was his way of interacting with, applying Good Night Cinderella, okay, so He went to nightclubs, right? There was a time when he killed several men at his grandmother's house when he lived with his grandmother. He lived this, what a teenager, no, he was already an adult, that's it, after the age of 20, his first homicide was he was a teenager, he was

18 years old, then he only committed another homicide 9 years later, so he was already 18 27 2 years, that is, 27 years, he was living with his grandmother, okay, so he took men to the basement of his grandmother's house at dawn, he applied Good Night Cinderella and these he didn't necessarily kill, he didn't kill everyone he caught, he caught Pou OK, that was actually a minority, yes, in his confessions he says he had homosexual relationships like that, but with 100 , 150 men he says So, like that, So it was a minority that he

got there. to kill these in this case he said that they were men who were too beautiful, right And that he couldn't let them go and that they should belong to him criteria of death It was yes Beauty, beauty, like, it's so beautiful that it can't return to the world, it has that stay PR I can go back there he even Kept parts of the bodies of those he thought most beautiful I understood and frozen what was the process of preserving these bodies of these pieces, right For example of ah of one of a specific

victim for example He removed the scalp the whole scalp the whole part because this in this case is Anthony Sears, right the victim Uhum he killed him in 1989 Oh he thought he was very handsome and Anthony Sears had that Jerry curl, right, it was a hairstyle from the 80s there that was like some curls some curls it's exactly like Michael Jackson those curls like that and he thought he thought the boy was very handsome, right and he took him to his grandmother's house he killed him and as he lived with his grandmother he always

lived with his father or with his grandmother, but in the end he went to live alone so he couldn't keep those same bodies, he couldn't keep them with him so he had to dispose of the bodies, right? But like some of the victims, he thought they were very beautiful, so he kept some parts Look how interesting you're saying something Daniel that came to my mind here now I've always said that The Psychopath is that person who is in front of Someone He wants three things right status power or fun and status is not just money

status for example a person who buys a lot of money Picasso, right? He won't be able to put it in the living room of his house, so he has almost a Bunker of a room in which he opens and shows that collection, sometimes even of stolen works, right? And I keep thinking why would I have a Picasso? or anything else that couldn't brighten my day, right? Put it in a place like a safe inside the house and I'll go there and show it, display it as a manifestation of power, yes, exactly, and of status. Look

at my Picasso, as if that gave me of that identity this is really crazy because it is turning another object into a work of art, it is turning an object into a work of art, it is to be seen to be hung and exclusively hidden, imagine doing that with a person, I mean the person was too beautiful so he had to capture that beauty capture exactly the dam did something until few people know he did a one even on Netflix Netflix right now there's that series Monster it's coming out right there was a series of

it and so on and now another one is going to come out which Is from Ed guin, right, which is another killer Even if it's someone else's killer, it's someone else's edging, he became famous because he made clothes from human skin, right? based on The Silence of the Lambs, exactly Silence of the Lambs , based on the first Silence of the Lambs . woman because he is a homosexual who wants to be a woman, he wants to be a woman, in reality he had this thing about being a woman, he is more trans, he had

this desire to be a he even he even tried to do one in this case there is this in the script in the book, you know, he tries to have a sex change operation, but because he is very disturbed, you know, the psychiatric board didn't release it, it did because it wasn't like that. he didn't have that right, he did, but they saw that there was a disorder there that he had to deal with, right, before making this gender transition, and then he started killing women, right, overweight women Because they get their skin, right, and

make a skin So this This idea from the film was copied from the real case, both Jeffrey and Gui, right? You see that the thing about wanting what belongs to someone else has to be mine and only mine is only mine, it's like a fusion of identity, right? fo no And at the same time I want that and that but it's on the other I'm going to put it on myself it's from a utilitarianism if we see it like this the other is worthless n from a gigantic kind of violence, exactly not because I'm going

to kill him because I want the eyes I want the hair I want is and he and he kept the skulls, right he kept the bone part the bone part, right he was boiling the head, removing the skin and the brain, everything and the soft part. Theoretically exactly, it was left with a skull and the skull was put on on the shelf as if Jeffrey Jeffrey is the dammer Exactly it's as if it were a collection a collection there the victim was his I understood even after death even after death exactly it was His Possession

is almost Funny that right, I never hated those American hunters who took the moose's head and put it on, I think it's Horrible, I also once wrote a text comparing these types of killers to serial killers because they have no empathy for living beings. No, and the thing is the vanity of showing that you ended that animal with that victim, and there's a trophy there, a trophy, right, and displays that trophy as if it were something, so it's something, a distorted view, right, of the life of the from nature to oneself zero respect zero zero

respect for human life exactly or for the life of an animal I also think it's dangerous so it's not very dangerous so that's how it is I think it's behavior that isn't at least raises a flea some I think a dozen jumps behind the ear exactly when I arrive at someone's house who keeps showing me things like symbols of power and vanity, estates, estates, and the remains of people or the remains of animals, it's Dantesque, that's not Dantesque, that's how they are, extremely individuals. borderlines, right, that generate like this, they are enigmatic, right, you try

to understand why the subject is so, right, that way, committing this type of act, well, he's a human being like me, Right, he's not from another species, right, so what? It went exactly wrong for him to commit this type of atrocity, and in quotation marks, apparently, within society, he functioned normally, he worked, he was a worker in a chocolate factory, no one ever suspected, he spent his entire life, right, because he was imprisoned at the 31 years old but he started killing at 18 but since he was a child he has demonstrated ah being a

child how could I say differently right At least exactly and no one has ever suspected that he was committing this type of atrocity which is an atrocity that is beyond our imagination right, beyond imagination, ex endeu, so there are details that are very graphic, right, of the case, so, he led a life committing this type of crime while he operated, in quotation marks, normally within society, right, making chocolate, which is something sweet, which is one thing, right opposite, you give someone a chocolate, it's always a show of affection, kindness, right, yes, exactly, so, uh, and

these cases You know, of these serial killers, I think it's actually the majority, right, there are very few of them that Are completely dysfunctional, so within society, the majority operate like this with a certain normality, it's as if they had Two Lives, exactly as if they had Two Lives, right? There was even a recent case from the United States, right, hex Herman, right, that's the killer who started in Long Island Lisk, right, not on Long Island in New Ah, okay, that's a case that about 14, 15 years ago they started finding remains of skeleton in

Long Island, which is very close to the airport on that coast, right? I found several remains. And then the conclusion came that there was a serious killer who was disposing of those there, right? So, they discovered there some identities of those victims who were women who they offered their escort services on Craig list, which is an American classifieds site, so at the time the authorities , professional call girls, contacted the girl on the internet and killed them and was playing there in longis, right? And then last year he was arrested and they finally identified him.

he what is his name hex Herman hex Herman is Uhum and he was an extremely successful architect from New York Swear with the office in Man rat lived in a house on Long Island kind of like a mansion er spend the weekend on Long Island And he lived in a rata living in Marathi needs to be very successful exactly for you to have one is now you're going to have an office there a room there in Manata to operate your business right it's not difficult it's difficult exactly so he had an office in rata he

was an architect married children lived lived married married son lived with his wife lived with his children no one ever suspected and he was this monster individual who took these women the family went on vacation that's when he operated when the woman's wife went out and on vacation he went to travel somewhere he was alone in home there was when he he and he also had this thing about dismembering he had ah some victims who were dismembered in this case so ah it could be due to disposal issues, right, but there could be some pathology.

But back to the dammer, right, you He said that the worst thing was what he did afterwards, because you said that he sedated himself, most of the time he did Good Night Cinderella and then he started dismembering and removing part of the body that he Thought was too beautiful to not be his, so to speak, and so on. Then, well, he did a lot of things, you know, with the bodies, like the serious killer, he always evolves, he never starts in one way and ends the same way, he starts in one way and ends in

another, he becomes more sophisticated in the cruelty that he will practicing And if he is psychically ill, right, the severity of the horror increases, there is no limit, right, until he started in one way and arrived, for example, at the 11th victim, for example, he began to ingest parts of the food, even eat, right, you know? He thought he thought it was pretty there, there was one, for example, with biceps, right, the arm, a victim who had exactly the biggest biceps and so on, he there ate the victim's biceps, right? Funny that It's such a

grotesque thing, right? It's almost something like, yes, these biceps belong to me, right? It's that sexually attractive feature for him that I don't want and it's going to be mine. This literal bicep is going to be part of me, Right ? in possession even exactly in possession Even so, for example, he once completely skinned a victim uhum and dressed that victim's skin with the mask on his face, everything so it's like in the case of Guim, right, he did the same thing, so a form of intrusion, right? associating with the Victim there is not even

the victim because then it would even be Generous, right, merging with the other is taking from the other what interests him that interests him is nothing else, right, so , well, he did these things, several others And then one arrived point where he it had to be good to discard, discard, then he, then he dismembered, dismembered, bagged and threw most of it away and From certain victims he kept his trophies, right, they were skulls. Ah, he also kept the genitals from some victims, he wanted to stay there and with them preserved, right, preserved, exactly, for

example, this one from Anthony's boy, who was scalped, right? He also kept his genitalia and kept it there for several years and it remained there until then when These police officers came in. They arrived They arrived, there was no way to say that they found that one there. I called him to play a consensual joke, exactly that horrible thing. right, they opened the refrigerator, there was a head inside of a previous victim who had killed days before, the victim's head was inside the refrigerator, so the police saw that and already specific beginning when the police

came back he didn't admit anything, right it was just a joke T so the joke the corpse there also in the head joke they saw photos there too because he took photos, you know, he had vanity so he took photos of all the stages there of his way of operating from the victim, sometimes reaching victim still alive but unconscious in bed he had taken the photo and after all he took photos too and well then he was taken to the police station then at the police station he saw that his world had collapsed that he

had already been unmasked there was no way he could anymore so he it opened like and was even sincere, very sincere, I don't know this sincerity, Daniel's interrogation, I think that Cal Killer, and since he can no longer deceive, he does the ultimate act of vanity, which is to show off uhum, to me, the sincerity that I killed 200 eh quarter no that wasn't quite like that no that wasn't because it's the last moment of Glory in the sense of and since I'm going to be here I'm going to call out my vanity And then

the competition between one and the other begins, right, yes, they say that even suicide, right for some of them, would be a final act of power, right, yes, I decide life, God is not the judge, not by de Band, right, he said that God was him because he decided the time when the victim died, he decided the last breath he had many killers Seriously, there's this line exactly, so real, I feel like God, right, when I strangle, yes, because it decides life and death, right, Theoretically, then, I don't think this confession is sincerity, I think

it's the moment that, just as I'm not going to have that pleasure of domination, of power, yes, in the face of a victim, I will have the power to show off, Show off, right, my achievements, I think, yes, there is, in the case of the dammer, this is what I say Oh, he was sincere like that in this case because there are some details that are very very so much horrible, right? Very horrible and that perhaps he could have omitted. So this guy was very close, for example, to his father's grandmother's family, so, oh he,

he seemed a little human in that sense of this family relationship and trying to hide it, he tried to hide some things during the interrogation, for example, the fact that he had practiced cannibalism, he didn't say right away, that was, for example, the coroner who saw it there, went to do the examination, for example, in the refrigerator there were fillets of meat cut and commented to his interrogators, the suspect per question is Ask him about it and then they asked And then he got a little angry but then he confessed it's not really I didn't

want to talk because what my father will think I don't know what he understood so some things he omitted, you know But it's interesting because So, this thing in the dammer is very contrasting, this thing, this cannibalism, this perversity, this grotesque thing, right? Eh, and this thing is also kind of childish, talking to your grandmother who is 27 years old , it's very strange, he's like that. He was a guy. schizoid schizotypal schizotypal, you know, there was a lot of difficulty with him, he already caught the person, the guy and he was already doping and

he was already doing Everything he had to do, yes, he didn't have any kind of conversation about sex, nothing, nothing like that , when I went to write the book some Some testimonies, right? For example, he went to nightclubs, he didn't interact with anyone, he sat and sat there observing the beauties, probably looking for beauty for himself, so from the people who knew him from those places, you know, because he he didn't interact with anyone, everyone said the same thing, he went and stood there looking and and when he and no one saw when he

left he was very sneaky Uhum So he always approached men at the end of the party at the nightclub, right, he probably stayed there like a wild animal capturing its prey Predator without making a sound without do nothing without doing anything exactly a Predator watches who who is with someone who is not with friends that man over there is alone let me keep an eye on him so this is what he did Exactly that you understand so that man over there who was alone at the end at the party, he probably sometimes wanted company because

he didn't find anything there, he went straight to studying his prey, studying , and the approach to the approach was sneaky too, because no one saw him, he appeared from the side, he appeared out of nowhere, so much so that he operated within these nightclubs and no one ever suspected anything, men disappeared from there, you know, from that community there and no one ever did, yes, never suspected anything, he probably never drank, there was a scandal, there was a fight, it didn't pass, he was suspected, right, there was no record of violence Yes, and he

had one There was also a problem with alcohol, you know, he drank too much, he was an alcoholic, a chronic alcoholic, so he had a lot of difficulty finding a job, his father did everything he could do, and when he finished high school, he took him to college, he paid in advance, he didn't last three months in college then his father forced him to say go and he said we have to get a job he didn't get one he was just drunk all the time so his father took him to the army so he served

in the army But he was dismissed from the army later because of drinking too And Then he went back to his father's house and his father, oh you have to get a job You have what you want to do with your life, right? Cus, no, at any time, it's the mother, yes , the mother seems to have a right, it's the mother, so she had her psychological problems, she was a woman with mental problems, Dame Dame's mother, so now, the father, no, the father was like that that cold man, far away who he provided oooo

money, the food of the time and of American society, he played the role, yes, the role of a stately man of that time. Exactly, it's even interesting because he talks about it in his book, he wrote an autobiographical book that he talks about , right, his father talks about it, right, I even in his relationship with his wife, you know, he was distant and so on, it wasn't very loving, but I was raised like that because my father is like that, we are men, we have to provide, so I was out all day working so

I thought that mine This is my part. It was exactly about providing a house, so I didn't see that this was a problem. Today, I see that this is wrong. His book is very interesting, so this one, this story, right? But he wasn't a violent man, no, That's what we're going to talk about, right? If an omissive father, right? Eh, would justify it, it would be alkyl, we would have a lot more. exactly I even commented once with my father, you know, hey, in the past, he says, you know, because my father beat me too

much, I don't know what, and I, father, this is this generation, right ? There must be one or the other there, but no, it's not a rule, it's not exactly a rule. No, it's not something that will make the child go wrong, right ? something for dad that his father questions violence, that's it and you said that you taught me I think that in relation to animals, no, that's what his father because his father was a chemist, ahem, right? And then the dammer, he used chemistry, for example, to dissolve Corps and He also used chemistry

when he was a pre-adolescent teenager, there the very sedation of people , he was very interested in that, he even imagined committing suicide by injecting Him with hydrochloric acid, he says, right, because that's how it is, he's a biochemist, a chemist father, that was an accessible reality. then when For example, he was a child, his father introduced him to chemistry, right? everything and what a matter of substances, these things that he later used to flesh out animals Uh, he picked up animal carcasses on the street and Car carcasses, there aren't many reports of him practicing

torture and cruelty with animals, so what there is is that he picked up the carcasses of dead animals, in other words, it seems that it was the thing that fascinated him, it was death, this decomposition, this decomposition, that's exactly where he took these carcasses and took them to a place behind his house, he used his father's substances to flesh out these carcasses and keeping the skulls and everything, so he had a collection of animal skulls, you can see that in some way, right? This is very typical in the escalation of violence, o The Psychopath, he

starts testing, right, from a very early age, he starts testing the limits, he starts to testing this on animals and then reaching human bodies are the first victims of killers in being I think the worst thing that Can happen to a child is for them to commit cruelty against the animal and not be not punished not be punished and no and no don't look at it with a look like is there something wrong or is he seeing someone do this cruelty depending on the age reproducing or is there something I'm you talking about something eh

I looked after a child a child no eh a grandmother came to talk to me that the parents They traveled a lot and he stayed on the farm with his grandmother and one day his grandmother said: Doctor, I'm going to tell you two things that are happening to my grandson, he must have been around 7 years old, hey, my son traveled with my daughter-in-law and I'll take him he went to the farm and had a day that he wanted, I don't know, for me to buy a game, something like that, and then she said, let's

not wait for your father and mother to arrive, we're here, we don't need this, you have it there to play, there you have it, you have the boy's son, he took care of the Farm, you can go horse riding, you can, and fish, you can, you can, bathe in the river, so many things, so he did it for three days, I want it, I want it, I want it, she said no, my son, I told you no, and then on the fourth day, grandma you a pet cat she Loved the cat It disappeared Uh, then

the cat disappeared, everyone wanted the cat five days later there was one, there was the kitchen But there was something like there were refrigerators, freezers outside the house, like, in a specific place that kept meat, things like that, then ooo the cook goes there, oh, there's no This meat is there in the freezer, ok, ok, ok, so it was there, the woman came back with the face, the cat was there frozen, wow, then she looked at him and said you were the one who did this. He looked at her and said, you didn't give me

the game that I asked you then for this scene then she said like this there I was still, no, no, maybe he didn't know that the cat could die, right, at first, five days later, she catches him playing with the caretaker with the caretaker's son there and then they are there seeing them at night like that Uhm there and there were some lights like a little firework so she went there to see what he was he convinced the caretaker's son they were catching frogs by dipping them in alcohol and gasoline he set them on fire

and threw them up that was the fun of the thing Jog up, the parents arrived, grandmother went to say Oh, no, that's childish stuff, okay, okay, she said that, I just want You to tell me if there's a possibility, I said, yes, if there is, right ? I said she's going to stay, right? She said no, I'm not going to stay with him anymore, that's all, grandmother like that, you know, I said like that, grandmother had Lucidity like that, you know, and I don't want to go near the son of the exactly caretaker uhum because

I said, you're a good boy that's a good boy I won't let him mistreating the boy mistreating the incredible boy is And so is cruelty against animals Maybe it's like this the earliest characteristic, right, earliest and most serious in relation to future antisocial behavior uhum if there has to be a factor of if you can choose one I understand just one characteristic of prediction, right of prediction, that would be cruelty against animals, for example, even in my research for the book Cruel Angels, well, there are several children, right, homicidal ones that are present in the

book, several of them begin before they begin to evolve, right, to begin with, angels cruel, come on, we showed Jeff, which is just me, or was Jeff used to make a series, something? How do you Consult your research ? Friday night in five very late chapters and replaced it right after it was routine to have the normal ones which was a wonderful, fantastic comedy series Hey, put that series in there, it was like that, right? But it's a masterpiece, yes, it's one very good series, right and at the time So, even Bruno Gaglio, right, who

played the main actor, he shared a text of mine saying, I'm studying here for the character, it's glory, Perz, he also shared a text that I had written, she created a website at the time about the series, so, so and some of my texts were used like this What do you mean, some study sources like this to compose a character, these things are perfect and then Jeffrey is recent, Jeffrey is recent, he is from 2023, which was published, was published in more than 2013, and then now you there's Cruel Angels, which is pre-Jeffrey, just mini

jeffreys, then mini je is mini jeffreys, then I thought it was a sensational cover, designer, it's Like that, despite being a difficult topic, a difficult topic, but it's a topic that has to reach more in society because no one wants to talk no one wants to talk it's a subject Taboo it's a subject Taboo it's so necessary because Jeffrey was once a child Ted Band was once a child exactly and we close our eyes to that we have to remember that it's a minority But it is a minority that can do so much harm, yes,

so much harm that it is impossible that a society is not aware of this aspect, yes, definitely, and even so, those who do not become homicidal, right, but who become, for example, Psychopaths, and that society is scattered with them, right, These people are around there exactly Committing evil things committing fraud, right How many toxic relationships not breaking hearts Exactly How many toxic relationships are there, he's a psychopath that people talk about a lot ah, but so-and-so is a narcissist, yes, but to be a psychopath he has to having narcissism embedded with perversity, yes, there it

is, it's a dimension there of psychopathy , well, I always say that every psychopath is a narcissist and not every narcissist is a psychopath That's good, right, Because we have to know how to differentiate where there is perversity and where there isn't. OK And what was the idea of ​​writing this topic, which is difficult, yes, you must have received a lot of people saying something like, you don't feel sorry for your childhood, like If Everything Were, eh, everything around the child was a product of the environment, right? not always yes exactly cruel angos It was

born from an article I wrote in 2012 about homicidal children I wrote this article for my project, right on the internet my blog and from then on it was widely accessed it was an article that was accessed a lot it was shared a lot I received a lot of messages like that, a lot of comments from even and from AZ, right from AZ, exactly, and so I was impressed, there were a lot of comments like that, even from mothers and from people who had children with them and had doubts, you know, And then they had

doubts Ah, my son does this my son does that my son is intractable and so I was even impressed, you know, it's a reality that is hidden, these mothers who say this are taken as a problem, it's your problem, you who don't know how to educate you, who didn't know how to do it, and it's not exactly, right? It's not so, uh, I wrote the article What was The article called at the time? The article was called H psychopathic children to find out more psychopathic children ah Psychopathic children and then I wrote this article more

cases related to homicidal children, right? This issue of Cruelty against animals then went it was a very broad article and then a while later a publisher itself, right Dark Side itself, had it, one is the name of the publisher is the name of the publisher is darksider which is the publisher here in Rio Uhum And they They came in because we already had a relationship, you know, I had already translated some books for them and so on. He said that your text is very, very good, very cool because you don't turn it into a book,

right? So the idea for the book came from this article. Yeah, but it's until I actually sit down and start researching. It took a while, right? Yes, because it's very difficult. It's one and there's very little published because no one dares. I remember that there have been several authors who would like to publish series about this , but it's never been accepted. It's and there is. there is a social issue there isn't even one I even put it in the book A speech by a Canadian psychologist called Richard Trembley who was a Child psychologist who

throughout his life he did research on antisocial children Uhum And then he says something interesting that he was participating in an event a congress where he gathered and other researchers who were investigating scientists, who were investigating antisocial children, antisocial children exactly And then he said the following that they decided that because of the social reaction they shouldn't label these children with words that if it were a adult uhum eh it could be used for example, I don't know, the word psychopath, yes, yes, that's why conduct came, right? Exactly, conduct came, they put it as a

kind of synonym there, Car, exactly, you could only put the psychopath from an age that would be the age criminal digal, that's exactly where they postponed this Uhmm, but I found it interesting, you know, saying something like that because it's still a social issue, society is not prepared to accept or sometimes to discuss this issue because the child in our society is like purity right, it's always associated with purity, angels, right, angel, she's the mainstay of the family, right, the center of the family, so Nothing that indicates perversity or evil can arise from a child,

it can be cited, but I think this discussion is very bad. Of course, I think it has to be done very carefully, yes, exactly like that, make it very clear that absolutely the minority is OK, but it is a minority that can generate many problems for the majority and because you are a child, you can still have an educational and social attitude and to improve, reduce possible future damage, that is a fact is a fact is this is a fact if there is a time in the age of human beings where it is possible for

us to mold ah reduce the impact it's childhood is childhood then we don't talk about it right Then we discuss it for example it's something that everyone the countries right What is the age of criminal responsibility right? In several countries countries is different, yes, but I find some studies that talk like this very interesting. The problem is not age, the problem is the nature of the crimes. Exactly because if you take, for example, Ah, you can only make a certain diagnosis from the age of 18, so that means that If individual F sits in front

of a psychiatrist and the psychiatrist is 17 years old and 360 days Away from turning 18, then that diagnosis that the psychiatrist would give if he were 18 he cannot give, he will have to give other is not that It makes good sense to never offend schizophrenics, but that's the way it is, it's a dichotomized thing, yes, exactly, that 's what happened with Champinha, right, Champinha committed that horrible crime, right with that couple, yes, he thinks that the day before he would have had his birthday the next day, so no. You can't, you couldn't Yeah,

so it doesn't make any sense and he is, right, he is, he's like that, he's been there since he was a child, he has characteristics there that sometimes science really likes to use psychopathic traits like that, right, so there are psychopathic traits can be measured there in childhood, so for example cruelty against animals, right? So he had a history there and even with his classmates, yes, right, with siblings, people with him at school, you see a difference there. people say oh most people grow up and that's not the case most people can't be renters but

the majority must be exploiting someone and giving them one if one is affectionate, a fraudster, There's even a case that is reported in the book in the book's introduction from Angel cruis which was written by an American journalist the introduction to Bárbara hegert then she tells a story about why in the United States there is an institution in Wisconsin in Mendota that takes care of these young people, they have psychopathic traits, right? a specific treatment to try to reduce Ruz's power of harm, so for example this has had a good result because the majority who

leave are not reoffending, at least not reoffending in crimes. serious, so there is a case that she mentions there of one of a guy who entered this institution and he entered, yes, he was practically a serious murderer, he was not a serial killer, in fact, because he had not killed anyone, but he had all the symptoms there that he was evolving Every thought and all the morbid thoughts with that yes exactly so he was evolving he would be climbing the script exactly And then he was treated at this institution and then left, right And then

Ah, she got in touch with with He talked to him, right? Oh no, I became a businessman, I Got married, I don't know what. And then he went to talk to his wife, she went to talk to his wife, to talk to his wife, and then the wife said, oh, he's a promiscuous person, uh, right? women to the family's house, ah, he took them home to the house, that is, he didn't stop being a psychopath, right ? the wife, the son and And then a beautiful moment, one fine day, the wife arrived and there was

another woman inside the house and then she thought that, right, it was no longer the limit and so she got into physical trouble with him and then he was arrested for domestic violence, right? And then she, Bárbara heget, came back to the institution and talked to the psychologists about it, right? He was arrested there, then the psychologists even said, okay, here's the thing, he's still a psychopath and so we still believe that we did good because he is not killing, no, yes, he didn't become a killer cé harm reduction Exactly that's what you said exactly,

you understand So, so So if there is a moment in an individual's life where we can try to Reduce shaping the brain of this child or young person, right? for someone to have a minimally decent life to have a better prognosis both for this person and for society for society Exactly because we know, right And that a psychopath is only one thing in society, right, just one thing, and if he has power, yeah, that's what that has power and capacity and we see that in the great dictators we end up, we saw that, right, they

are murder machines, they don't stop being a cial, right, they stop being these great dictators and and musselini means we, we are there, you can see they were children, one day they were children exactly so that's the way it is it's a subject that's important uhum despite it being a difficult subject a taboo subject that people take a kind of look at from above but it's but I think it's a it's a reality that no one wants to see I'm I'm speaking for myself So, I never thought about writing Dangerous Minds, never uhum, right, it

was until a conversation with Glória Perez and she said, why don't you write, I said no, but imagine I'm going to write something that has no treatment, I don't know that I already I had written some books on anxiety, which Was the first insatiable minds of eating disorders and I had already written TDH so I said, no, that's my goal, she said to me, very simple, but come here, how many people have TDH, I said Ah more or minus six how many people have anxiety I said Oh it depends right because the spectrum is much

wider but let's put 10% 12% of all anxiety disorders ok How many people have it and eating disorders then I said there too oh it also depends it's a large area but let's go put it there and 8 10% is at the time, right? She said, how many people are there and psychopathy? I said, look, among everything, right, it's not what kills, among everything, Let's put about 3 to 4%, she looked at me and said, like, what, huh? you worry about 6% you worry about 88% about 10% but you don't worry about 96% then I

said what do you mean 96% she said that because if they don't have treatment the 96% of the other people who don't believe in them and who can be victims of them it's for this audience 96% that you have to write and that gave me Impact so from then on I had that in my head I said I'm going to write but like that I had never thought of why and I I confess the research period was Days what was it was difficult to sleep, Sônia was having a problem, my God, it was just a

nightmare, a very heavy subject, right, very heavy, now you can imagine with a child, but that's what it's like. Funny that in the dangerous mind I wrote a smaller chapter, too dangerous, no one ever touched on that subject, no one ever talked about it and I've always said we have to look at the nature of the crime, not the age, because depending on the crime, only a psychopath is capable of breaking so many criteria of humanity. put it on the train line in England, there's this case in the book, it's John Vab and Robert Thompson,

that's whoever imagines something like that, you know, it's something like that. That case there, right, we see that you know what that is. It's pure evil, that's what What do you want to see the baby being walked over ? MB did something bad to a 2-year-old baby, you know, It didn't hurt anyone for him and so on and that case, that case, right? It's so surreal because they really acted like mini Jeffrey giving an exam a Shing, they kept preying on children They went there with the aim of catching a child, that is, we are

talking about two 10-year-old boys, exactly two 10-year-old children. They went to the shopping mall and there they watched the little children, they tried to catch one, the mother saw them, they ran away until They caught James Buger there, you know, he was two years old and for a few seconds he distanced himself from his mother. They went there and took him by the hand by the little hand and he licked him out, it's surreal and we see this happen every day with children here in the Brazil of mothers who get distracted, someone comes and offers

something, right? So it's so necessary for us to talk about it, not to terrify anyone, but it's for us to know that this happens, yes, right, it happens unfortunately. So I think it's a lot of denial, I think people like no this happens there no this happens in the world S it happens in the world and so we never know right Bia who who could be the next victim let's say like this oh it happens There but Hey no one you don't have a son you don't have a nephew you don't have so This can

happen to us, this has to Being very well spoken with children, right, it's not terrifying, but look, don't go out, don't go with anyone that's strange, run to a place, whether it's a pharmacy or a store, go in there, call a relative, call, you know, we have to instruct, there is, there is what to instruct because evil lurks evil I usually say she has no face no color no smell but she lurks so a way out to go for example there is a case in the book that the mother lived the family lived in the

city of this case happened in the United States the family I lived in a city in the interior of New York, a super quiet village called Savona, you know, super quiet, bucolic, there wasn't even a police station there, there was a police station, it was in the neighboring city that covered there, so there was no danger, there was nothing, so the children played in the street, right? there was a little boy of 4 years old Ah, there was a summer camp that was 400 m from his house and then his mother wouldn't leave him alone

but he got a little big, no, I'm going to leave him alone to give him a little bit of dependency , that thing, you understand, that was enough, you understand, So he never made it to Felis Sa's column , it's finding his body in an area of ​​the forest nearby, no, this happens every day in Brazil, every day and no one gives a voice to these mothers, no one gives a voice to these children who are already gone without having done anything nothing and this is so so Dantesque and it's as if these children didn't

exist in the world the victims it's because no one talks no one talks right the victims they seem to be to blame for what happened to a child 4 year old was guilty cul is the child was alone and the father was there because the father left him alone, you know the fault is always with the victim of the mother's father, exactly not the predators, right? So you have sheep in your farm and suddenly one starts to die per night and then What 's the fault of the man who didn't take care of it or

the Predator's fault, and in this specific case there was even a certain discussion around it. Ah, because the father and mother left the 4-year-old boy alone, that doesn't just justify it, but I think it's a fear of people so big to deal with the reality that is an indigestible reality is that they keep raising it, but that's because it's the mother, that's not it It would happen to me because I don't know what could happen and people today say this, I see a lot of people leaving Brazil because of the violence, but this psychopathic violence

is everywhere, there's no place for violence, so I'm going to change, like, no, my son. Now you can go there if he doesn't have information like that, don't accept anything ah but here everyone knows each other, yes, but if a psychopath is in the family, I don't want to, there's no way, no, just like you said, right, there's 3 4% there of of and psychopaths in the world if we take in the general population are what 200 250 million psychopaths that are spread there is a lot They are all over the world it's not just

here don't you understand determine if we are going to put this for example diabetes diabetes today in the world if I'm not mistaken come for me, oh, Bru, but it should be something around 2 to 4% if I'm not mistaken, so it 's not a little, it's not a little, it's not a little, and why do we talk about diabetes, we need to talk, I agree, it's not a thing or We have to talk about everything, yes, it's very important, right, education about two 12 12 12% of diabetes Wow, there are a lot of millions

of people, wow, it's a lot, 12%, a lot, It's increasing more and more, right? Every yes, because of the sedentary diet, but so let's talk about diabetes, let's talk about prostate breast cancer, let's talk about everything people, but this is also a problem, victims will never come back to talk about it, it's just once, right, it's just happened once, there's no way to go back, so I think education is the basis of everything, right, bi, so ah, an educated society on the most diverse subjects, including those that are considered more sensitive, right, some taboos, things

that we wouldn't like to hear, no, I, I don't know if I'm very attentive. The other day I was driving along a street and I saw a child not wanting to give a hand to a man I stopped the car a little further ahead I got to the side and said hi then the guy arrived like this hi then I said is everything ok with you then with the little girl she said is there dad You said this, you're doing it because I I don't want to take her for the weekend to every mother because

the mother will have to travel if then I said are you sure I said this guy is really your father because I think it's very different from you joking I'm pretending I'm joking she's my father unfortunately Then I said Oh, okay, but he also has good things, right? But today I wanted to stay with my mother, so I came there. I was super calm, but it passed me by, you know, if I have a shadow of a doubt, yes, and your story is interesting because the case you mentioned, right about the little boys there from

England who placed the baby on the treem trail during the investigation it was discovered that 39 witnesses 39 people saw it and no one did anything and no one did absolutely nothing because so on the route from where they caught the bulger Right James bugler who was two years old to the place where he was found 4 km then they walked 4 km And during these 4 km the two little boys beat him they walked beating him they lifted the Little Boy in the air threw him on the ground he stepped on he kicked, he

beat And then 39 witnesses saw him passing by in the car sometimes, what are you doing but you didn't stop, you know, they shouted from inside the bus, you're hitting the little boy, but no one stopped to go there to help, I understand, you know, so, like, you can't hit this child, give it to me here, yes, see, but and take it to a police station, look, these boys were beating this This baby is this baby exactly, but they didn't do anything, you know, so, but you understand that this way we have an attitude, I

think out of ignorance because lack of knowledge is that it is very easy for evil to reign because it is a mass of people who are not psychopaths because the mass who are not have a passive stance towards this so if you choose eh the wolf you will be sacrificing the Sheep and the We have to understand which side you're on with the Sheep or the Wolf, yes, it's like that thing between husbands and wives who don't get involved, right? What do you mean, right? You're going to let a man hit a woman, that doesn't

exist, you have to go. there and You can't intervene, this hasn't happened for a long time, I lived in Panema, my apartment led to the living room on a small street Redentor, it led to the living room of the other apartment opposite and then every now and then there was There was an argument going on app man and that thing closes the thing turns on the air but I kept taking a look I remember I was married at the time my husband said leave these two I said no I'm just looking I'm not saying anything

I'm not here Shut up ok ok And then there was one time when he was drinking a lot He drank and started throwing things at the wall and got in her face so I caught him and called the police he gave the address which was opposite I already knew And then the police knocked there right, and it knocked, it didn't even take long to police knocked there, okay, I just know that the next day, life goes on, then my husband said like this, you see, Fi, I did my part, if yesterday the opportunity was given,

he now knows that there is someone who cares. I hope he thinks better of it or that she also reflect better, right, because the police officer, I remember he was very clear, there were times when you couldn't hear what he was saying But he said it like this, it's like he said it like this, you want to go with us because he said it like that to follow, ahem I didn't want to but look, it took time for him to download it again, there you see, so I reduced the harm reduction, perhaps, for her, every

week became six six months, but I did my part, I have to give her an opportunity to think or for her to think about the possibility of leaving now to do it. nothing, not impossible, not impossible, people have to have this thought, you know, of cultural intervention, we have to change this culture, it's a question of empathy, Right, we have to change this culture, a sea fight, woman, no one gets in the way, you don't go there it's in his face, you understand, so you're using the same weapon But you You have to have a

stance because it's an opportunity to give someone else a chance to think about it. It's exactly I think even an intervention, right? I think it would already cause less damage, but it caused just like your example because it was weekly, it was me, Thursday, I was speaking for that Thursday I said he must have something somewhere he goes and drinks and comes back crazy I don't know I'm not even saying he was a psychopath yes I can't say but I said no it's not possible for me and I ended up moving I loved this apartment

but I said no Is it possible for me to have this scene so that everyone doesn't put it on? blackout I said, okay, I know it's just that there isn't even a sun in the daytime, you say like that, ah, the sun didn't appear No, it's there, my love, the clouds that I'm not letting you see are that there aren't even stars, there are always stars, we don't see them, but that's not the case. It's possible for me, but I think it's cultural, it's not. There was a time when having slaves was culturally and morally

by law accepted, we accept that today, no, so this has to be changed, We have to have empathy with people and Don't stay in this judgment Ah she likes she doesn't know me I don't know if she likes it, I don't know her story, but I don't like to see this as a human being being done to another, so I answer for myself, right, yes, no, I think it's attitudes like that, right? B that we're even changing society because society changes, unfortunately it takes time, right? The issue of slavery Quest slavery was, right, more than

a hundred years and so on and to this day there is a certain amount of slavery , right? Many of us, as members of society, don't expect authorities or laws these things do our Ah, our work to do, right, our movement to try to improve a little bit, even if only and there was one, there are two things I wanted to talk about here with you, the issue of that boy there who killed the little animals, all of them, put it there guys, Bru, and then also last year December, more or less, there was some

news about I don't know if it was BBC Brasil, I don't remember one of a lawyer who said she was a psychopath and saying that she has to Be welcomed, then an option for us started sending me these things I said dear wolf standing on a lamb's foot, first of all it's not doing that so people have to be very attentive Because when they make that kind of speech if it's actually a psychopath Uhum it's always to justify the or unjustifiable non-reception Have you ever seen a psychopath wanting to be welcomed I've never seen this,

no, no, so, so, this was an article that came out last year, this was last year, too, do you remember the one about the boy there, I remember Nova Fátima, right, in Paraná, which killed 23 animals a lot people He asked why and I don't know what, anyway, it's something that we start to put half a dozen snails behind our ears, the least we need to observe is certainly harm reduction, if we had a policy that It had to be harm reduction, well this child committed a very cruel act, you know, I had never seen

a case like that of a child that we found out about, right? Once he committed this kind of cruelty, right? ah in relation to cruelty against animals Ok, you Have to take this and understand that there are two things which are the frequency and the sadism used, right, and the intensity, frequency intensity Exactly because sometimes children sometimes do really stupid things, right? The children themselves they're not socialized, they can't, depending on their age, right, sometimes discern their own and the other's cognitive processes, so sometimes she is, sometimes she's poking a cat there with a stick,

for her, it's okay because she's not the one. You're feeling pain, right? What's the oooo problem in this issue is the frequency and intensity so the attitude of the adults around exactly then a child who commits cruelty against animals frequently well let's keep an eye on the intensity of this cruelty of this brutality as well Exactly because eh sometimes it starts to climb exactly V ah, he found a dead kitten then after a while he found the kitten that has its neck hanging from the No wakes up on the clothesline at home then after a

while he finds a cat's head, that is, he's climbing So This is very dangerous so child who practices Cruelty frequently and escalates in a sadistic manner, so ex a factor a predisposing factor very serious very serious so this child already has a problem, no, and that thing we have to get to the point of having harm reduction policies Certainly Trying to reduce the damage or who knows, maybe getting better can be a temporary thing, but we can't keep waiting for time, let's wait for time to get better, there's no such story, time gets better and

we had to have a register of these children so they can be monitored because, for example, changes in another to another state Ok, follow-up continues It's not there to discriminate, it's just to give the opportunity to have a better prognosis, yes, a database, right, to monitor this child, that's not possible, there 's no way to improve it, there's only way to make it worse, in this case it could be with very good monitoring, eh this is disguised but it can be and but if you leave it the way it is the probability is immense, yes,

if you don't leave it the way it is without treatment or follow-up the tendency is to get worse and to escalate, you know, so I actually agree that there should be public policies It has to exist because There is no way to talk about it because this It's a protection against society, we have to talk about it as a protection of the Child and their society Exactly because no one wants it, I wouldn't want to see someone arrested, no one wants to see it, you know, as an empathetic and human person that I am, I

wouldn't want to. that there were people in prison And then these people are often in prison, right, you get criminals who didn't have it - they were born in a different way, right? Sometimes they have a different brain, we know, for example, that psychopaths have an injury, right ? of the frontal lobe The limbic system, which is less functional, is not a lesion in terms of structure, it is a change in functioning, right, the limbic system, which does not function properly, does not connect so much with the frontal lobe with the consequence part, right ?

who is predisposed to a type of behavior, you know, antisocial, everything and what is the future of this person is prison, right, so or so, or doing a lot of things against a lot of people who are going to kill themselves, who are going to get depressed and we won't even know, nor will we then know about fact you know how to identify these People, right? As soon as possible Ah, having this monitoring of these public policies, a Unified database, just like you said, it's in one place and moves to another, it completely ends, it's

as if it erased its history. It ceases to exist, right? so to the authorities have, you know, a trail of this person and follow the evolution, persecution is to monitor you, you don't monitor a green area, you are deforesting, how come you don't monitor human beings who can be absolutely destructive, yes, for themselves and for the whole society, that's how delinquency is, right? Violence in childhood is very dangerous, for sure, and we can, there is a possibility , right, for us to reduce this, this, this type of behavior, exactly shaping the child's brain, as you

said, those centers there in the United States, right, what a reduction of damage rather reduction of exactly the damage the child enters there as a murderer because there are murderers there, many young murderers who even committed serious crimes such as mutilation, that kind of thing, you know, and he leaves there and returns to society and the child is already an adult, right, he doesn't repeat it again, Yes, maybe Maybe the universe is the woman of the one you talked about, right about promisc and everything, maybe for her he continues to be very harmful, yes, exactly,

he will commit other, less intense types of violence in our current stage of society. Maybe it's a no, but it's already great progress Progress n If we could one day, for example, I think everyone is corrupt, let alone a psychopath, a type of cereal that I think. You know, those who steal, then you already have the guy, he's already stolen so much and continues stealing. You say that, my God, but what's the point, right? There is a need for PR, which is what I told you, put Picasso in the house to watch it, just to

have status, power, because then you don't even need eight generations, you're going to spend that money, so I think we had to have a vision a little wider because a person who all the time he wants wants more wants more within corruption we see a lot this for me is a cial because everything that is stealing there is missing for health is missing for education no the damage he does is a lot is much worse than the of a cereal Killer of an Assassin series That commits murder is much worse it's much worse because he

and no one talks about it no one talks about it even There was a case of a boy who died sitting down, right, in one I saw in a health center Look what's waiting then So look what's hanging in the century XX in this current moment where we are, you know, high technology and everything is a country that has a lot of money Brazil is a rich country and a person dies sitting around waiting, so look how brutal that is, right, so these people really commit Ah, the impact, right? of their psychopathic behavior within society

is much worse than that of a Murderer and being n so ah in this child's case it has to be seen right It has to be seen it has to be seen it has to be discussed analyzed and thought about you know you found the BBC thing the woman, a lawyer, said that She was a psychopath, she wanted support , understanding, see if you think so, if you don't think so, no problem, we'll go to the reporter pipinho But I thought it was so Humble then I said so, very very honest, very humble, I said

what a manipulation, oh, So I got it right, BBC, oh, one very painful face, right you, I'm a psychopath And I want society to understand and accept my disorder, a lot of people kept sending me things at the time, I just put it like a wolf in sheep's clothing, then I even put an image that I really like if you put it ibro wolf in sheep's clothing puts an image that I love that appears that is my answer as I gave it to everyone and we here also reinforce which one is this one here this

one this one because this is this girl is It's the portrait of the psychopath in it's not like that, don't allow yourself to be manipulated, please because this conversation I want to be welcomed, this embracement can be so many things, just not a welcome where we know what she's planning behind it, what is the strategy you us you have to think like this about the murder and mass of all the people who believe it is now Well, this is the answer guys and whoever can't answer in December last year, let's go to the pipinho reporter

pipinho reporter what I told you ah we have a community called sustainable human beings because I believe that one day we will have sustainable human beings and there are more or less 2300 people, they are people who really like knowledge, there are lay people, there are professionals, everything and we send it 15 days before you come, we send you your Instagram @ oav crime and we say go take a look and send us the questions that you think are relevant and that you want him to say something about, ok So let's go, first I read

that a 14-year-old teenager killed an app driver in Marcélia, how violence on social media and the Dark Web is fueling this new generation of juvenile killers is a complex question . um This guy, he was a professional killer hired by the drug trafficker there, a drug baron from Marcélia and he carried out contract murders. And then he got into a taxi, giving me an app, right? He got into a car and headed to execute a contract I didn't understand with 14 years old with 14 years old Look, what's up Ah And then the app driver

was taking him and then the boy saw the target and asked the app driver to stop but the app driver didn't stop why where he was, He was not allowed to stop there so the passenger could get out. I understood that what the teenager did, he simply took out his revolver and shot himself in the back of the head to stop the car. It's as simple as that, I have an objective and I'm going to execute it. objective if you are on my run track I will shoot you that now I stopped the Car exactly

and simply did this and killed the application driver simply as simple as that, exactly I have an objective I will run OB to do what they hired me to do exactly or what I like to do it too, to do it with so much, to do it with so much mastery, you have to like it a lot. No, and with so much evil, right? You can already see that he was no longer a newbie, he was already at least six or seven years old . 14 years old and in this case Ah, he was hired

by the Dark web, you know, there the Dark web, we know, right, that it's a place on the internet, Ah, it's a bit obscure, right, where we have drug trafficking, pedophilia, Ah, people are even hired to beat if you hire professional assassins even to kill someone it's on the Dark web so the Dark web is like this, everything that is a type of Crime violence you find on the Dark you even find things like this Horrible, right, related to pedophilia, these things online broadcasts have horrible things, right, and well, we know that social networks and

the internet are not regulated, right? So imagine if not even the part that is visible from the internet, bigtec and everything they operate on God will give as they want, so imagine a eh servers, a shadow territory that is unknown, right where you have servers that you don't even know about where are these servers that host these sites, they host these things, right? So, it's a field, unfortunately, it brought very harmful instruments, exactly at the service of psychopathy, with exactly so, that's how human beings are, right? We have incredible technology, the internet, right? but you

have a mass of people who only use it for evil to get scammed, right, and so on, this case is a case that shocked Spain, right, it was recent, not long ago, and not just this 14 year old boy, but cases of other young people also committing Heinous crimes hired by the Dark web hired by the Dark web for, uh, usually drug lords, drug businessmen And so on and hire these kids because they're better for him to hire a boy than to hire a man because he's hired a man I trust him, I read his

name, he could be arrested and serve 40, 50 years, now a 14-year-old boy, I don't know what the law in Spain is like, but he's probably a minor, right? arrested, he's probably underage there too, I don't know, but there, right, so perfect, next Bru Daniel, over the years, what caught your attention the most, studying cases of children who committed homicides, was there a case that was more horrifying than another, they're all terrible, but Look, there are many horrible cases, right, in many terrible cases, many many impressive cases and so on, from various points, right? From

perversity, like cases like that, we have no explanation, like, there is a case that happened that even happens in angels. they're cruel In the book , right ? she never had anything at all, a normal girl, she grew up, the suspicion grew very well, you know, her loving parents, you know, she liked to play with the animals on the farm, ride horses, things like that, and then when she turned 12, when she turned 12, her parents decided that she should change. move to a bigger city to have better opportunities In life, I study these things,

it's quite common, so just for us to notice this type of concern on the part of parents, we already see that because we analyze the case kind of from afar, you know, we don't really know what actually happened there, right? what we have is information that is told that is told to us and Ah, well, well, So her parents decided that she should move to a bigger city, right, so she could study and so on, so she moved to California to a city I think is Orol Ville that call in California, that's where her uncles

lived, a couple who didn't have children were her uncles And then she was enrolled in school and started studying a month later she killed her aunt with an ax a month a month a month later the aunt arrived and talked to her, right then the aunt turned her back to do something She came with the ax and killed her aunt, not only did she kill him, right, but she committed what we call Overkill, right, which is that oo exaggeration in the murder, she did several things, the perversity is exactly the same perversity, she did several,

she applied several ax blows The aunt took a knife and stabbed the aunt several times, the handle broke, she went back to the kitchen, took another one and continued And then Ah, she stayed there Then the uncle arrived, right? He saw her in a corner like that and asked what are you doing there for, right? Then she, I just killed auntie Then he, oh, but what do you mean, stop talking nonsense, um, then when he came into the living room, he saw it, you know, and so in this case, there's no explanation, right? Why, oh,

the girl, she had a super normal childhood, right, the uncles They treated her well, right? She was a month, right? And a month, let's say she was treated badly, but it was a cumulative thing, I don't know, a year of mistreatment, yes, it's nothing like that, there's absolutely nothing to talk about, you know, it was a loving family and so on, and so on. What happened at the time was that she had a certain trauma when moving from the countryside, I understand, to a big city, if that was a factor, that's kind of, yes, she

was epigenetic, Uncapped, uncapped, she had a type of dissociation, let's say, you understood this change like that social change where is it She went from being a child to becoming an adult Because now she had duties, responsibilities, she had to go to school and get a good grade in an environment that she was completely unfamiliar with. So imagine a country girl who has always lived on a farm but you see she has to have genetics that will be uncapped because so the number of people who leave the countryside to be able to, yes, it's exactly

there isn't something more, right? There's something more there, but no one has ever been able to identify it because at the time she was psychologists, psychiatrists examined her, there's nothing normal about her, she's sane She is not a girl Insane Psychotic break didn't have a Psychotic break didn't have anything she doesn't have it she doesn't have it she has zero problems Worse, right? Exactly what's worse and then there was this idea that she killed out of homesickness and she wanted to go back, you know? Then he asks her that she doesn't want to shut up,

she ate her aunt to satisfy her longing, sorry, sorry, the justification isn't yes, but a crime like that is violent, Dantesque, Ediondo knows that without explanation, He knows, how old she is 12 12 years old 12 years and so and the last irony in this case is that she was convicted, she wasn't tried as an adult, right, but she was sentenced to stay in a reformatory until she was 21 years old, but she didn't serve all of her sentence, she left before she returned to farm to city Farm to farm to city in her city

And then when she was 21 years old she died in a car accident so it's a very tragic story, right? And so it is, it's ironic Because if she had even been in prison until she was 21 she didn't have I hadn't been in the accident, I hadn't died, right, but this is a case like that that caught my attention, you know, and woman, right, woman Exactly this type of violence is so marked but there is even another case from the book A This is quite a case that breaks without paradigms, right, how was this

case this case also involves a 12 year old girl a child woman Look at this case M Ah this case happened in England in 1993 an 18 year old teenager she was found dead in a street near a cemetery and when the police arrived they found the body they were horrified because the woman She suffered was killed by a brutal flag, you know She was mutilated, her genitals were mutilated Ah, you know, ripped out , mutilated and everything, an investigator at the time even compared the case to a stripper deck Wow, because that's what the

stripper did, right? Uh, so just to see the degree of brutality involved in the crime So, this case at the time went on for several years and they never discovered who the killer was , why? her feminine identity destroyed man thinks that It 's a man more than you think as an adult of penetration, right? All this stuff, so ah, it was a man, because he's also a man, because for you to subdue a woman who is already an adult, you, right, you're a man, you need physical strength and everything, so you're a man, so

the police are here, man, looking for the man. you know, they even did a psychological profile at The time and the profiler said the following, oh, he's a white man, he's 17 to 25 years old, you know, so it's a man , a man, a man, right, how was this crime solved, oh, a girl who was arrested began to be arrested because she tried to kill a friend inside from school another girl who doesn't see this that has nothing to do with it she was at school she called her friend to the bathroom Oh come

on, help me find a coin because I lost a coin And then her friend, let's go her friend came in then when the friend She looked back, she had a knife, her friend told her this story in the car, she told the story because she survived, right? with colia now you're my kind So she stabbed her friend but then other girls came into the bathroom at the time and that ended up saving me, I understood the victim And then this girl was arrested, right ? inside the reformatory she started aa bragging about having oh it

was me who killed those behind Look at the narcissism ostentation of perversity exactly it was me who killed And then This story reached the ears of the reformatory management they called the police the police went there to plead with her she knew details of the crime that only the killer could know, for example, she stole a bracelet from the victim, she took it as a trophy, I understand, I understand, she was with the victim's milk and so this information was not disclosed, in fact, not even the police knew that the victim had a bracelet, right,

because when they found the body there was nothing, right, they went to this child's girl's house, ah, they found diaries where she details, even in a sadistic way, her crimes, you know, so ostentation, ostentation of perversity, and so a child, a 12-year-old girl, so This is completely different, we understand that this specific type of crime is brutal, not terrible, terrible. Look at vanity cheating, right? Exactly, it was vanity like that. It was diagnosed with all kinds of disorders, you think about these years, so it's a child. who committed brutality and even obtained sexual gratification during

the act, you know, so it's a completely out of the ordinary case involving a child and female sex, right, so this case was also quite a lot, we can't Help but think about all the possibilities, yes, exactly, right? next Bru in cases like Martin bry there are signs that something could go wrong or these extreme behaviors could appear suddenly who is Martin Bryant o Martin Bryant is he an Australian mass murderer Australian, he eats, he killed But I think 35 people on one day there when he went into an emergency, so he took a rifle

and left, oh, but all at once, all at once, all at once, and he killed more than 30 people, that's it. These strange behaviors, they don't come out of nowhere, right, it doesn't happen overnight, so what about Martin Bryant, in this case, since he was a child, right, he already had this, so probably other crimes, just this thing of killing 35 once, maybe it was the tip of the iceberg. It's him yes he he he He had mental problems, right? Martin Briton, I think he was schizophrenic, if I'm not mistaken, you know, that Rare Association.

But schizophrenia can happen with psychopathy, that's exactly it . out of nowhere, a person goes into an outbreak and Yes, yes, but then they wouldn't have the past history, exactly, they wouldn't have The history . In this case, it seems to me that he had a history that combines psychotic illness plus psychopathy, including his father died and at the time he drowned, right ? So the possibility arose, the possibility Did he not kill his father? He also had an older woman that he had a relationship with, they were close friends and this woman also died,

you know, she died in an accident that he was in the car with, so it was her. Very suspicious, right? suspect around him does the planned thing really seeming that what happens right away people will think about suicide accident is exactly they make it look like it was an accident right Exactly exactly so Mark BR wasn't it wasn't it Suddenly That's why he always has this Association, since C showed signs that he was a different problematic boy and Psychosis came later Just to boost this, right ? This type of behavior is so common among people

who later commit serious crimes Animals are easy victims, right for us, for children who are perverse, the human being who is perverse, right? Animals are easy victims, they are easy to catch, right to mistreat, to subjugate, so that's why he Torn are always the first victims of these children and of these individuals and then they escalate and then they escalate because for example in my research for cruel angels I researched hundreds of cases, right Bia and I AF merged there for about 230 In which I analyzed better, I researched everything and the child emulates the

adult when he goes to kill, that is, he kills someone who is weaker, yes, he understood that he is smaller in stature, younger, right? That's why animals, right? They are the first victims of these perverse children, right? And they have psychopathic traits, lack of empathy and remorse , then, if that's the case, it goes to babies, right? And 10-year-old child caught one of two years old, right, so children are the same thing as adult homicide, the weakest are always the vulnerable, perfect, so Eh, and among children, also the most vulnerable, children on the autistic spectrum,

are always going to be the most vul neurotypical children always even if it's physically also in some way, you know, it's always like that, you know, friss, that's why society has to have the mission of defending the most fragile, always ex in this aspect and everyone, right next Bru Is there any curious or interesting fact that you can share about your book cruel angels Ah, you shared these two female cases, yes, right, now there is a fact that is curious, no, it doesn't even have to do with homicide or crime, but it's a fact that

I found curious when researching this book is that there is an American case of a boy called Albert Jones who killed two women, in the decade of how old he was from three to 14 Um, but his case because despite being a pre-teen he was already was a child With disorder conduct disorder understood a child with all the problems is stopped with cruelty against animals so that's why I consider it Even though he committed the homicide itself he escalated n so that is since he was a child so he was a little angel Cruel there

that guy you It's really escalating And it's like that, it's predictable, it's predictable, exactly, expert And then he killed these two women and his case became very popular at the time, you know, he became a bit of a criminal celebrity at the time, you know, And then he, ah Dark Celebrity Dark Celebrity It's exactly what unfortunately happens, I think, and then during his trial a girl started attending the trial to bring him sweets, that is, he gained an admirer, yes, that's what I thought was curious because we see this a lot, Ted Band, right, women

Richard Ramirez man from the park, right, he received thousands of letters in the post there after his arrest, probably to this day, right, people fascinated by Dark Celebrity, yes, so these men end up having hundreds of thousands, right, of admirers, right, some even got married, right, in Denmark recently I even banned it, I don't Know if You know that, but there's that Peter Maiden, right? He was that engineer and builder who killed a journalist in a submarine, but he dismembered him and threw the pieces, I remember, he was receiving so many Admirer letters that Denmark

approved a bill banning this type of communication, you know, he even married an admirer Look, I thought it was curious because even a child, right, got an admirer at the time, so a follower is just to get an idea of ​​the issue, but it's much more than just people imagine, I also think that there had to be a bill regarding this, otherwise you're feeding, yes, you can't, but it's difficult, right, because we can't even remove the cell phone signal, can you imagine the bill that prohibits them from getting married or communicating, that's how time goes

by, doing the necessities, right, everything has its time, it's close, Bru, in the case of Úrsula, there is a suspicion that she was manipulated by her mother, how do you view these stories where it's not so clear who is the real one? guilty who is Úrsula, I don't know ah Úrsula Úrsula is a case that's in the book, no, it's not in the book, it's in I Wrote a case like this about Úrsula on Instagram, yeah, it's a girl who killed her father Uhum And then her mother married her another man then she killed this

one, this stepfather also knows, man And then Oh, she, at the time she killed her father, oh, her father was beaten, he was violent at home, that sort of thing, right, so then she was acquitted, right? She was prosecuted or nothing, but then when she killed her father, people were like, oops, there's no problem with this girl, so the mother only has one rotten finger, choose another, that's exactly it, there's something there, right? So theories arose, right? The girl was perverse and her mother induced her because she wanted to have life insurance, I don't know

what, so it didn't happen. Of course, you know, the official story is that the two men were violent men, you know, who practiced domestic violence and such, they beat her mother And then she took and killed them to solve the problem like that, right, because if the mother induced it, it's very complicated, right? Saying something, yes, no, there's no way to prove it, right? Eh, but one thing is also certain, the mother has a pattern of choice of quite dysfunctional partners , what can be said ? this twice in a row is also yes super

this case is super curious You have to see from several years perfect exactly close Bru Do you think that child violence is something that is born with the person or is there always some factor influenced by the family or social environment is That Old History it's all involved right yes there are no people want a silver bullet So what's the cause? So I'm going to eliminate myself. There isn't. Normally people want easy answers like that. I wish they want easy answers like that. But there is no such thing as an easy answer. Family social influence

does exist, the girl who went to California from the countryside exists now, that justifies it, not every context doesn't justify it, it's a trigger if we understand that we have countless genes that you are born with, with so much G that it has no use, but that can being Connected At some point yes and we know very little n still I think you know we have exes we only know Is that there is a lot of useless genetic material like I think nature never has this uselessness I think it's there depending on the pattern of

life that I lead actively in one direction or active in another maybe it's Liv It's true next Bru some stories show cruel children who never hurt humans while others become murderers What differentiates these difficult cases this one huh danielas stories show that cruel Gres who never hurt while others become murderers What differentiates these good We also have to sometimes differentiate between cruelty Just like I said before, sometimes children commit something stupid, you know, they commit bad things, but they don't mean it because of immaturity . and intense, that's another story, that's another story , even

C in the book here, I tell a curious case of when I was a child, I caught a calango and tortured the calango, so I caught a stick and ended up fined him, you know, and that's how I die. I was ashamed of my behavior and after I grew up I was aware of what I did with the animal, you know, so, but I was a child who, you know, had no idea what I was doing there, so children, sometimes they they commit this kind of thing and so on right, we don't know the history

of acquaintances, sometimes even people from school, when we were kids, I saw a friend doing something, right? I remember that in a biology class as a child I must have been eight eight years old I think and the biology teacher told us to catch the butterfly and take it uhum I caught the butterfly I said my God how do you do it because she wanted me to put it hanging on something I was so excited to see That butterfly dies, I said, but how are we going to do that? Don't you cover it in place,

there will be a lack of oxygen and it will die. She said that as if two and two are four, so I did it, right? I picked it up, put it in, I was going to sleep, I said agony, that's where my mother ordered it, she ordered it, and one day I did it like that, the next day I dropped the butterfly there and said, Mom, I can't do it, she said it's Good, my daughter, that I also don't buy a ready-made dead butterfly, find a bobol, okay? dead in the Jardin that one I couldn't

I was like that thing and she was beating herself, beating herself, in a little while she'll get weaker, I said I can't do it and sometimes you're a child, right? Then I had my mother's permission to take the zero from work, they're like a butterfly. dead at least it wasn't you and today I'm thinking people, what a horror, what a horror, right, today you're an adult, you would never do that, someone but you're from BR, no, but when you're a child, you used to make us draw such a butterfly on the board I don't know,

nowadays you don't even need it, you do butterfly virtual reality flying But I thought that, I said, I wasn't angry with the teacher, but today, looking back at the time, I couldn't even manage it, it just gave me anguish, but I didn't know exactly, so today I keep saying, oh my God, I would never ask for that, so I'm left with my nephews, grandsons, teacher, don't forget, I said, it's changed, you know, because you study at a small school that even has dogs, eh, there are chickens, I don't know what, and they take care of

it, you know, yes, it's from The world, it's calmer, next Bru, when revisiting old and forgotten cases You notice differences in the ways people understand and react to these crimes today in comparison to the past, interesting, this question is very much about social values, right? In relation to the fact itself, there is no crime in the past, and today it has a society, right? H sees it in the same way, what will change? It's some value from the time, something, right? Just like, for example, there are a lot of old cases, so I that I

research and that, for example, you will see an old publication, whether from the 19th century or even from the first part of the 20th century, you know, the journalist spends an entire stanza just talking about the physical attributes of the victim, you know, or of the accused, so something that for me is, you know, completely unnecessary, you know, so, wanting to kind of induce, it's not because of that, right, or or it's wanting to justify it in some way, you know, ah, because the defendant, she was a minissia, she was a miniskirt that she He

entered the courtroom and the stars in the sky shone, you know, something like that, you know, so it's like fictionalizing, creating fiction on top of it, right ? to this day there is still a bit of this, you know, this type of mythification like that around people who are exposed, you know, even murderers, right? So there is a bit of this and but in past periods, at least from what I see, it was a bit more so much worse it was much worse this thing where you want to justify it, mainly for the victim, that

was or that I think we took a little step but we still took a little step too much, it's this moral thing, right? It's going slowly, right? It's a lot, but at least I think we took a a little step of considering the av no for sure next Bru did you find examples of children who were helped in time and changed their destiny or are these behaviors always a sign of something Irreversible Irreversible no these signs are when they disappear it doesn't mean that the child he okay predestined PR Ah, so a child here She

has insensitive traits and deficient affection she will become a psychopath, no, not necessarily, she will kill, and commit id crimes, no, not necessarily , so there is a possibility there of you directing that child to have a functional life , right, less destructive, less destructive, more socially functional, yes, that's exactly what we said about public policy, there has to be monitoring, there's not even research, we're going to have exactly and there's very little, how are we going to have intervention based on science if you don't have one policy that gives us serious studies, right, long-term,

long-term, exactly what we need, we really need, because we need it, even to guide public policies, we do need, yes, we need an assistance policy, right, investment in this area is necessary There's no way for sure, otherwise you'll dry out the ice, right? It's violence, you're drying out the ice, yes, exactly right on the beach, it's true that it's worse next time, Bru, what's it like for you to deal with such difficult and heavy stories? Does it impact your way of seeing the world, right? oh, always stand back right, when we enter into these contexts,

you know, of evil and we realize that evil can be anywhere, right, lurking and well and well camouflaged and well Completely camouflaged, I even mention it at Jeff's house there because what the hell It happens when he was at his grandmother's house, he killed his victims, dismembered them, put them in bags, left them and threw them in the trash, right? So I was thinking like this, I was imagining the people on the street at my grandmother's house. grandmother saw that boy there throwing the trash away, it was just another neighbor throwing the trash out, you

understand, it's the normality of everyday life, so the evil She operates in this normality of everyday life, she C normality Fantastic, you said it, so you see there, that doesn't mean anything to you and It's evil, pure evil is right there in front of you, you know, and you can't see it because it's camouflaged from everyday normality, so it definitely impacts the way we see the world, see people, right? I agree, I felt very sorry. That's when I wrote M dangerous I felt uhum I really felt it's close Bru ah we're now at the moment

pipinho pipinho is my son this very good-humored brain that I don't let watch television nor does he have social media he only listens to the good content that goes on here show ball he And then the whole team helps pipinho pipinho Now sends us words or phrases to complete eh and whatever comes into your head you return it is free Association ok nothing sophisticated yes one Justice fails two necessary love three one curiosity universe four Complete the sentence writing is ah writing an act of ã a Noble act of generating knowledge for future generations and

who saw perfect is sharing knowledge knowing that after we don't have it here someone will still benefit from leaving it there one a seed for the perfect future if you could change something in the world and you had that power What would you change free hate six Happiness is a state of mind seven empathy each time I see less each time we need more yes each time we need more it's not it the same thing exactly eight If I could interviewing a historical criminal Who would it be and why would a historical criminal be dammer,

do you have a book about dammer ? eh ah medical conclusions psychological psychiatry, right, his, right, that is, there is a lot of material, there are still holes, right, that you would like, that's exactly what I would like So I think dam would be a good criminal character esp then I would definitely update the book a new one volume would exactly give the rotor isar script book for a more fid worthy series, right, but it can also happen, right, it's nine purpose of life, living perfect and 10, a sentence, a thought, could be yours, could

be something similar to, could be from a philosopher, a writer, what do you If you want to leave a message, it doesn't matter what they do to us, but what we do with what they do to us, it's a phrase by John Paul Sart Sartre, exactly perfect, my dear, I really wanted to thank you, it was wonderful, I hope we have other meetings because we lacked material It's definitely because there's There was a lot of material left to cover, but I really liked it, I learned a lot, thank you very much, this thing about psychopathy

disguised as naturalness, I'll never forget this phrase, it's a phrase , I like this phrase, you know, it's really, really good, Let's get to the gifts So, come on, you're winning here this is updated for psychopathy in politics and psychopathy in the family Oh interesting There is one here happiness there is this was a dangerous moment happiness and I wrote it during the pandemic it's during that time when we all know what happens I said I'm going to study happiness not to succumb too and have here, which was my last release, it was released last

year at the end of last year, it's a time for me that is 365 sentences of mine that I propose that we take 10 minutes to read and each one draw their own conclusions about what is being said there, it's a self care is mental care for 10 minutes because 10 minutes is enough, right? And then you can write down what your feeling was. What was it? I think it will be cool, oh, very good , oh, but it's not over, we also have an ecobag here. pipinho's ok and pipinho's ecobag in the back, here's

our motto, right, make it happen and inspire , can I? Transfer everything to this side here notes is that PR people, right, I have many and here is a little mug from the pod people for you to have your coffee there to have your tea V leave it there right away so you can remember us to leave everything here and the children will fix it. everything for you now that moment has come that you are going to use that camera there, you may be rude, you don't even need to look at me and give your

messages, I would like to thank you for the invitation, it was a pleasure to be there, and to participate in the podcast, for those who are interested, in my works, my Angos Cruéis books are available on dark side books official store on Amazon also Jeff on Amazon a book about Jeffrey dummen whoever wants to follow me on social media just follow @ oav crime and you will see a lot of content in relation to ah true crime criminal psychology ah a lot of text, right? of several years a long time research so thank you for

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