Will you answer my question or is Harry pay paying me 20 bucks? What is it? What is Should we deport the illegals?
I don't I disagree with the premise of the question. 20 bucks, buddy. [laughter] I believe No, no, no, no, no, no.
Michael Nolles went on this show and got into a really heated debate with Harry Sison and Chris Malerie here. And Michael Nolles, of course, you know, he stays very calm and he absolutely annihilates these these two woke idiots in this debate. It's really kind of crazy to see.
Uh, I don't know if you would say sad or satisfying. Whichever side you're on, I guess would depend on that. But it's it's definitely very evident that these people, you know, Harry Sison and the others are completely outmatched by Michael Nolles in this debate.
And things do get heated, but Michael Nolles stays very calm and just dismantles Harry Sison and and dismantles all of these woke talking points very calmly. And it is very satisfying to see. Let's check it out.
I you can't murder people or rape people even if it's stolen land. Uh but the second reason that her claim was false is that America is not stolen land by by any measure any way that we think of international law or history in anything resembling a global standard. By that standard America is not stolen.
So before I even go on with my diet tribe, you guys are relatively more moderable maybe. Do you think America is stolen land? I think two things.
I think that the phrase America no one is illegal on stolen land shouldn't be I think it's it's an issue when you take it so literally. I think the point is that uh obviously America was founded on or we were we were all immigrants. We came over here on hold on hold on hold on.
Let me finish. So I disagree with that point. Okay.
Okay. Okay. Uh, we're all immigrants.
Uh, we traveled over here. We killed a bunch of people. We took land.
I mean, all pl all land is technically stolen land. All countries were founded. Hold on.
Hold on. All countries were founded on some amount of sin. I think the more important point of this is that uh I don't understand to the latter half why the demonization of illegal immigrants.
The point of the phrase demonization. We just want to enforce the law. Okay.
But why? You saw me answer that question from earlier. Why not?
Because it's the law. Okay. Okay.
But there's a lot of laws we don't enforce. Hold on. We should enforce them.
Okay. Well, there's a lot that we don't. Give me a Why do you believe besides it just being law it should be enforced?
Because I'll answer that if you'd like me to. Because it's like saying, "Why shouldn't I do drugs? " Well, because it's bad for you.
But there's a lot of people that do drugs. Uh, okay. They shouldn't do them either.
Like what what does that to do with anything, you know? And also, that's that's just how the world has always worked up until like modern times. And and Loki, it still does work that way, just not for the first world.
But it still like there still is conquering going on, you know, like Russia invaded Ukraine to conquer it. Like that that still does happen. It just doesn't happen as as commonly as it used to.
But that's just how the world worked. Yeah. that, you know, if we were living in an ideal world, right, and full of rainbows and unicorns, then yeah, like the Native Americans wouldn't have been massacred and, you know, they wouldn't have had to die and we could have all lived in harmony, right?
Of course, that's not how the world worked. It's not how the world works still. And and unfortunately, that just had to happen.
And you know, it America prospered because of it. North America. I I'm obviously not a fortune teller, but I don't think North America would have become what it is today.
If that didn't happen to the Native Americans if the, you know, the the Europeans didn't conquer the land. It wouldn't have become what it is today. So, it it ended up working out.
Unfortunately, people had to die. Bad things had to happen. I'm so sorry for Harry Sison and this guy Chris Malerie.
I'm sure they they really care so much. They're so empathetic and they cry themselves to sleep every night because of what happened to the natives, right? They definitely are not just being performative and and like to use these talking points because they sound really good.
Let's see what else Michael Nolles has to say. Nation is defined geographically by its borders. The most basic right that defines a political community is the right to define who is part of it and who is not part of it.
So it is be beyond the laws passed by Congress that are supposed to be enforced by the executive. They're upheld by the judiciary. It is a basic tenant of any political community that you get to determine who's in and who's out.
If we do not enforce that most basic law, we would uh cease in any meaningful sense to be a political community. Both parties agreed on that until I don't I don't believe that there's anybody advocating for not uh at some level enforcing uh immigration law. You don't think anyone's like advocating open borders?
I don't think there is. I don't think there's I don't think there's I don't think that there's a single problem under saying that no one is illegal in Hold No, no, no. But the second point of this is that everybody believes that at some level we should have better immigration reform.
We're just going to disagree about how to do that. Should we deport the hold? No.
Because the point there is that No, there you go. Then I guess we No, no, no, no, no. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
I believe that undocumented individuals in the United States are generally a net benefit currently for the American people. No, no. People are going to laugh.
The KO Hold on, hold on, hold on. The KO institute, it's a right-wing think tank. Let me point this out.
libertarian. That's okay. The KO Institute this week, this week uh released a study that since from 1994 to now, undocumented people have uh uh paid the federal government roughly $10 trillion in taxes.
Wow, that's I thinkillion. Hold on. Hold on.
Can I hold on? 10 trillion in taxes. And they have used benefits from the US government of about 6 trillion.
That's a $4 trillion surplus. And they analyzed why economically are they a net benefit? Yeah.
Libertarians like open borders and especially no those numbers are are wrong but even why are they wrong because because because they actually are net takers and if you don't want to look at you can look at the center for immigration I don't want to believe that they're mass migrant one is anti-mass migrant but it's evading the question because we're talking about the law do you think that the American people have the right to enforce the laws duly passed by congress to have their own borders and define who's in the country I think I hold on hold on no because because I think it's a dishonest premise there are so many laws I'm not asking about so many laws. I'm asking about this one. Let me Can I just say something really quick?
Can you answer the question? He's literally rage quitting the argument because he knows he's losing. You know, even if let's just grant this point to this guy that he's trying to make to Michael Nolles.
Let's just say that they are a net benefit in terms of the economy, in terms of paying the federal government money, which I don't like. Why all of a sudden are they using how much money the federal government gets for if something is beneficial or not whenever they're so anti-government and there's, you know, the government is all evil and every single tax dollar that we pay to them is all going to waste. Why would we pay anything to the corrupt government and now all of a sudden the argument is that because the legals pay a lot of money to our corrupt government that just uses the money to our detriment and uses it for racism and sexism that then they're a net positive for the country?
I don't I don't really get it. Let's just grant him that point, right? Does that mean that we should just let anybody and everybody who comes into the country illegally just stay just because it's the nice thing to do?
Because what if, you know, and and this is not the case for 99. 9% of cases, but what if they send in, you know, a spy from China or a spy from Russia or even worse, a terrorist from a Middle Eastern country? That was that was that was a a bit racist.
Okay. But what if they send in a terrorist from from one of these countries, right, to to go take, you know, take out a a crowd of people in a certain city to make a point? Like, do you understand the the national security threat that would be caused by us just having open borders and having and letting anyone and everyone stay that is able to make their way in illegally against the law?
That that' just be such a a massive national security threat. Even if it would make you feel warm and cozy and fuzzy inside, unfortunately, we just can't do that. And if you really knew the world that we would live in, if we did have open borders and we didn't, you know, try to enforce this law, you wouldn't want to live in that world.
And and I think that these people like Harry Sison, the people that Michael Nulls is talking to right here, Chris Mallerie, Harry Sison, I think they probably know that. I think a lot of these lefties really know that, but they just like to to spout off these talking points because it gets them clicks, because it gets their audience, their idiotic audience going. They know the truth that what they're saying would not be beneficial for the country or anyone inside of it.
They know that, but they just say it because it makes them money. Now, right now in the United States, we do not have enough native born I'm just giving one example before you speak. We do not have enough nativeorn US citizens to work every single job.
If every single undocumented person right now was uh was deported this instant hold one second. I'm going to bet you in the front row $20. I'm going to bet you right now $20 that he will not answer my question.
I'm going to answer your question. [laughter] You don't want to take that. All right.
Fair enough. No, no, no. I'm going to answer your question.
I'm going to [laughter] I'll take I I I'm going to take the opposite. He's going to answer it. Okay.
You're a matter of law. I I I will I just please quickly again there's clearly like that example I just gave. If every undocumented person was deported from the United States tomorrow, our economy, just as one example, would fall apart overnight.
Simple question. I am going I am going I'm going to promise me that for about 6 minutes now. It's very clear that in the current setup of the United States, we should allow undocumented people to have a process to uh find uh get legal im immigration status and we should pass immigration reform to increase security at the border and make it easier to get into the United States legally.
I think the premise the answer to your question for my question you owe me 20 cash I got you the answer the answer is that we should enforce laws in a uh civil way and currently the civil way is to enforce them it's called I I I disagree and there's so many it's literally what it's called there's so many good examples of US laws that we don't enforce all the time yeah will you answer my question or is Harry paying me 20 bucks what is it should we deport the illegals I don't I disagree with the premise of the 20 bucks, buddy. I [laughter] believe I believe No, no, no. Easiest money I ever believe I believe.
Actually, that might be the hardest. I believe I believe we should easily Hold on. I believe we should deport undocumented individuals who have committed violent crimes.
Yes, that is the illegals. No, I think I think [laughter] is an answer. I don't understand why we have to wait for them to commit a violent crime to deport them.
That doesn't really make any sense. uh if you know and as harsh as this sounds, you know, I if somebody comes into the country illegally, if anybody here watching this video has ever run a business or just has any sort of like business knowledge at all, knows how businesses work when you when you buy something from someone or some company one time, you're a whole lot more likely to buy them. Again, it's just human psychology.
That's why they have so many free trials where, you know, they just let you try something free for two weeks or you go to Costco and, you know, they have free samples and stuff like that because you you get something from some place one time, you're a whole lot more likely to buy more or get more of that thing. It's human psychology. It's not just with purchasing items, it's with doing anything.
If you come into the country illegally, you're breaking the law. If you break the law once, you're a whole lot more likely to break the law in the future. It's just human psychology.
Now that is multiplied by probably 100 or a thousand whenever you break the law once and not only does nothing happen, right? Like we just you know like let it go like ah you just broke the law you know one of the most important laws and you know of the land [laughter] that's fine you know you could you could just chill but also you're kind of like celebrated and championed by a lot of people saying that you're the backbone of the economy and all this stuff. And look I don't completely disagree.
I think a lot of these people who were coming here illegally, especially like the Latinos, they're they're very important to the economy. They're some of the hardest workers, if not, you know, harder worker than Americans because they got a lot of hunger. They're coming from a place where they really don't want to go back in a place that's really terrible.
And I think they have a lot more appreciation for this country than a lot of Americans who were born and raised here do, who just don't realize how bad it gets outside. But unfortunately, the law is the law for a reason. It's not for no reason, and it has to be enforced.
Like Michael Nolles was saying, let me know in the comments though, who do you agree with? Do you agree with Harry Sister and Chris Malry or do you agree with Michael Nolles here and myself that as unfortunate as it is for some people, the laws do just have to be enforced and these laws are not they're not for no reason. You know, they don't exist for no reason.
They're very important laws. Let me know in the comments what you guys think about this whole Michael Mills versus Harry Sison and Chris Mallerie situation.
