welcome to another explosive debate shikhman IB Faro claims that Jesus was a Muslim according to the Bible But as God logic starts dismantling the argument something shocking happens some might say shake Amman Runway or it was a convenient coincidence just watch the video and let us know what you think in the comments [Music] section don't it's my turn now yeah I just I just want I just wanted I just wanted to touch on uh something you said a little bit earlier and this a little bit too so you you so you mentioned how you don't
believe you don't go to the Bible to show that Jesus is a Muslim but I don't but you but you have in many of your videos and I literally have one you're you're with you're with what let me just explain what happened okay you literally said that even the Bible shows that Jesus is a Muslim and that because he prayed to the father and and uh and you said that you prayed to the same God that Jesus prayed cuz he prayed to his father you said that in the video did not say that yes you
did I literally have it on my chan expain what I said go ahead do you want me to explain it did you ask a question or well no I I just made a statement so so okay yeah so what's your question so so if you're saying that you don't go to the Bible to show that Jesus is a Muslim why did you go to the Bible in your earlier videos when you talk to other Christians who are not really that knowledgeable and you quote the Bible how Jesus prayed prostrating how he said he's doing the
will of the father to show them that he submitted to God and that he's a Muslim from the Bible are you done with your question yes are you going to interrupt me I I promise I'm on I appreciate that okay if you ask me why do I believe Jesus is a Muslim it's not based on the Bible my belief is based on the Quran as you know because we've discussed this many a times I don't believe the Bible is preserved I don't believe it's the word of God I don't believe in the Bible but if
you're a Christian and you believe in the Bible then I will ask you that even according to your scripture if it shows Jesus praying to God according to the Bible of the father right if it shows Jesus saying that the father's greater than I if it shows Jesus saying it's not my will but yours then even according to your belief according to your understanding if you're Christian then it shows that Jesus was worshiping a God above right but that's not why I believe it do you understand the difference there yeah I believe it let me
finish I believe it because I believe in the Quran I believe in Islam I don't believe in the Bible but if you come to me as a Christian and you say you believe in the Bible then if I show you something in your book that your belief has then that doesn't mean that I'm using it for my belief when he asked me the question to prove to me why do I believe Jesus is a Muslim I'm not going to quote the Bible yeah although I would say that you as a Christian should see that in
the Bible Jesus did pray to the God above right okay so I understand what you're saying you're saying that you don't believe that Jesus is a Muslim based off what the Bible says you believe it because of what the Quan says I understand your position my my thing is this is that when you talk to Christians you're showing you're saying that even according to the Bible Jesus is a Muslim and you you quoted the verses that you quote now here's my question with this okay when you quote these verses and you obviously you see that
Jesus prays to the father he submits his will to the father he was sent by the father he's the son of the father right my question is this can you be a Muslim and believe that you are the son of Allah I do not believe that Jesus believed that God was his father okay when I show those verses I am not saying I believe that Jesus said that my point is that if you believe in the Bible if you do mhm then you see in your own Bible things that do not make sense from your
Trinity because if they're co-equal how can one be calling the other my God and worshiping the other according to you I do not believe Jesus called God father right now as I said earlier there maybe a term of endearment was used as the father but I would never think that would be literal right in the sense we have a Muti called right we may say Alid the father because of his status and knowledge but none of us would be stupid enough to think he's literally Our Father understand yeah so in that could Aramaic have had
that context maybe I don't know and I don't claim to know okay but I would agree that biblically there are people called gods for example in the Old Testament when you see the the son the sons of God and then God being a judge amongst gods which I think me and you would both agree don't refer to God as being the all powerful right yeah so I like again those are linguistic right well it's not it's not it's not just oh go ahead sorry oh okay go ahead all right yeah so like I like I
said I understand completely your position and I know that you don't believe the words of Jesus in the Bible my my point is right right right my point is this Usman is that you when you talk to the Christians you say that a even according to the Bible it shows that Jesus meets the criteria of being a Muslim based on the Bible even though you don't believe in it you're saying that as a Christian you you have since you believe in these words these words of Jesus show that he's a Muslim right but so my
question is based on these words that Jesus says the is the the son of the father right he does the will of the father everything that the father owns all also belongs to him all these kind of things that he says right can you be a Muslim and believe that you are the son of Allah as I just said I do not believe that son and father here would refer to a biological relationship example let me let me okay good so for example if those terms were used as Terms of Endearment in the language I
I can understand that that could be possible Right But as a Muslim we clarify that Allah has no children right now like I said in linguistics at times I can talk to somebody and say son come listen to me but if somebody comes and says that that means you have a biological son in this person or your physically children then I would say no no no no you don't understand what we mean here right now when I say that look at the aspects of servitude of Jesus the God above right that doesn't mean that those
verses in the in the verbage that it is used are going to be used by me for my credal belief yeah right meaning in the sense that if G like for example in the Bible Jesus did say the father is greater than I right y right so now as a trinitarian when you say they're equal but Jesus says the father is greater than I for me to point out that that doesn't make sense right the Bible does say that Jesus became lower than the Angels right well yeah that but that's not the issue here the
issue is not the deity of Christ about his religion issue that when I point out that even Biblical verses go against the Trinity and show Jesus as a servant of the God above now what words that's a trinitarian belief the trinitarian belief is that God God and Jesus are not equal uh in Authority that the father that he submits to the father's Authority so that's not a that's not a a issue when it comes to trinitarian belief and it's not an issue it's not it's not it's not relevant to whether when we're asking about how
what did Jesus believe and if his belief in his practices followed like under the criteria of being a Muslim mman like that's what that's what I'm asking when you say Let me let me just say this let me say this please if I can please goad so when you when you say I appreciate it so when you say that um like maybe it could have been used in a term of endearment you know you don't know right you're not giv a statement you don't know you're saying it could be so my my question is this
like within Islamic theology was Allah ever a father in any sense the term of endearment metaphorically was he ever a father once again if you're talking about Islamic theology it's based in the Arabic language right uh sure these words have meaning what yeah yeah yeah I mean yeah it's Arabic but these I mean it has meaning it has theology so again languages have difference in meanings right for example when in Arabic we say AMU for an uncle right you understand what I'm say sure how we use that context will differ in the Arabic language in
context father has been used for respect but for yeah but is that is the word father in Arabic used for Allah oh sorry let me explain it to you so you can listen I mean I know you don't want the answer now so no I'm following you I I didn't mean to cut you off my bad go ahead thank you so as Terms of Endearment go the word father for example I gave you even in Arabic context can be used for even a scholar right meaning Al they would say right yeah for example L was
called the father to the daughters of lot not literal fathers right we would never utilize that for Allah because of the fact that the that had happened clarified that to us okay Islamic Arabic language we wouldn't okay but put it again let me finish in the earlier Nations right when they didn't have that fear could they have used an Aramaic term that would be later translated in K Greek which are your original manuscript right I I can't speak to that but I can say that in Islam Today We we would never call God our father
because of the fact that the sh that came out okay can I said that let me finish because having said that having said that I'm not saying Jesus used exact those words in my belief but as a Christian if you're saying that Jesus submitted right then we would say that if he humbled himself and made a servant yep right then that would not make him God I understand your I understand your argu I understand your argument it doesn't so I don't agree with it but I understand your argument so but this is what I'm this
is what I'm dealing with okay not agree with that that's right I'll show I'll show you in a second let me respond resp let let me respond please because Ser servitude and servitude has nothing to do with ontology uh that's just to do with role your status like for example you you you serve you serve your let me come on brother you serve I'm listening I just want to understand okay yeah you serve your boss at work you're under you you submit to your boss's Authority at work yet you guys are both human so you're
equal in in nature because you guys are both human yet he your great your boss is greater than you because he has a higher status than you in the workplace so having a higher status is not the same as uh being more valuable or greater ontologically but I want resp not not not just yet not just yet I wanted to say something to the to the father thing still because there's still some things that are not clear that are I'm not getting a direct answer on I feel so you said that you can you know
refer to like certain Scholars or people of um you know I guess high regard with these terms right um and and metaphorically you can do it right linguistically and metaphorically you can do it um now my question is now see I know that you don't call Allah father but I'm I'm asking right but I'm asking can you identify Allah as a father as in a term of respect and Endearment even though you know you're not using it in a literal sense but you're using it metaphorically that he loves you that he's your caretaker can you
call Allah a father in that sense again I I I've made this clear but maybe you're not getting so I'm gonna make it I'm gonna try one more time all right let me see if you can get it right that one's not being answered respectfully it is being answered but maybe you're not listening but let me try it again okay for example we say R Lord to Allah right right R Lord can be used for other than Allah right but that doesn't mean that we consider anybody else like Allah understand so as I said in
a linguistic perspective can be used for somebody out of endearment can it be used for Allah we we would never right why would we never because of the fact that when people use used it for we took that Linguistics even and said no we don't want to go there you understand yeah yeah please don't interrupt Islam we would never use the word up for Allah right right having said that I'm discussing it from an Arabic perspective in our context now when we're talking about the Bible obviously you know the Bible was not in Arabic and
you understand the context of the language of Aramaic was different but what I'm making very explicitly clear today we would never use the word for I know that you would I I'm interrupt me don't tell me I'm not answering because that's not my question my question isn't would you as a Muslim like if my question is not would you ever use this term for Allah my that's not my question my question is can you can I know that you wouldn't but can you use the word AB for for Allah in as a term of endearment
are you talking about in Arabic or Aramaic what whatever yeah whatever language you speak whatever right the word word AB means father listen the word father has a lot to do with the language you're speaking right for example when you speak to a priest what do you call him a Catholic priest they refer to him as father yeah father not you all right but Catholics right yeah in my language in PTO a Catholic priest could never be called father okay you sure do you understand the difference yeah why not because in PTO that would make
absolutely no sense why what do you mean why I'm telling you from PTO in the language PTO to call somebody who's not your biological father father cannot be done and PTO you said your languages P yeah I I'll check that out but okay go ahead check it out man right so when you're talking about AR and Arabic those are two different languages right could Aramaic use it could be but in Arabic we would not okay I got you so so you're saying that you don't have a you're saying that you don't have a word that
I guess can um like the word father in Arabic cannot be used figuratively for Allah right you could be used for others maybe but not for Allah in Islam so my my question is this my question is my question is this man so like when Jesus says that he is the Son of God that he was sent into the World by God as his one and only son his unique son right can he be can someone say that and be a Muslim so once again to respond to you what language did Jesus speak spoke Aramaic
Hebrew and Greek so in Aramaic could you use that for endearment I don't know right you don't speak Aramaic and I don't speak Aramaic to be honest right I'm just I'm you're not getting my you're not getting my question you're trying to run from my answer no is it okay if I clarify no I'm sorry is it okay if I clarify aric do you speak Aramaic I I don't but is it okay if I clarify my question I don't speak Aramaic either yeah so how iser used in Aramaic I don't know there's no there's no
different it does there's no different word for for that type of stuff no that's not they use they use they use the word my brother they use know they used the word ABA they used the word ABA in Aramaic the Jews used it for God and they meant it in in as a term of endearment they're not literal sons of God they don't believe that the word was ABA that's used so my question look my question isn't you know that because we have the Lang we have we have it in the scriptures we have their
language we have all of this so where did you get that from from the Bible give me a reference from the scripture from the Bible no no the Linguistics you said the Jews used it for other than God or God no no no no I'm saying that they that they used the word ABA they called they called God ABA in Aramaic that's father and so they don't yeah oh yeah Jesus did it too yeah but Bible's not an Aramaic well no it has Aramaic words in it you didn't know that no no no but where
where does Jesus use Aramaic ABA in the Bible Mark chapter uh uh Mark Chapter 14 verse 3 I think six Mar what Mark 14:36 okay what is the verse it says it's talking about where Jesus prayed in the Garden of Gethsemane and uh he went prostrating and it and it says what he says he said it went he went prostrating and fell in his face and said ABA father ABA poo if it be possible let this C pass from me okay so now you're saying that this is Aramaic for what that's Aramaic for father that's
Aramaic for father is it endearment or literal well when well when Jesus is talking wait don't don't interrupt me why are you interrupting me you're lying's don't interrupt me Omar what's happening Omar is GRE Omar you guys let these guys up and you're letting these dud interrupt you're letting these dudes interrupt Omar hold hold on Omar don't interrupt don't don't interrupt please go ahead so go ahead so so you're saying is this literal or figurative so what I'm saying is is that this is the only word for father now when Jesus says it obviously he's
he I'm sorry you said that's the only word in Aramaic for father yes are you sure about that yes have you checked that yes and if you find other words in Aramaic for father then then I I guess I'm wrong but from what from what I've seen from what I've seen that's the only word for father okay so there there there will be different forms of it depending on how the phrase of the sentence is like my it might be you know ABI or AB or something like that but um ABA is father in Aramaic
literally or figuratively yes yes so of say that again of in Aramaic of I I don't know I don't know what that is but so so this so this is so this is where we're getting in aric there's also of that me Father Can you show that for father can you show that what can you show that yeah you bring it up from the thing father put on the screen yeah let it let it uh so the word is Aba the Aramaic term for father is Aba so that's that's ABA right there man the but
but when speaking yeah look but when speaking to someone hold on let me read it let me let me read it if you can please uh the live is freezing up guys literally says ABA on the link um I don't know what happened guys but the live is Frozen like uan you're Frozen I can't even hear you guys if you guys can hear me it's possible their phone probably died we'll try to stay here until uh until otherwise now unfortunately the conversation ended uthman's phone died and therefore the live got distorted and had to and
got shut down so we didn't get to conclude on our discussion but I thought it was worth me giving a proper conclusion to this notice how they were now questioning the word ABA and whether the word ABA uh the word that Jesus used for father is actually Aramaic and they brought up something that uh where it related it to the word of um but let's actually see what the word a is so when we go over here to uh logos logos.com and and by the way I encourage everyone to download Logos it's a beautiful database
a lot of information on there a lot of scholarly work the origins of ABA Watch what it says here it says of Aramaic origin all right seen in Daniel 5 2 verse 11 13- 18 Abba parallels the Hebrew word of from where ABA or father is derived so the word a that they were bringing up saying oh well this is actually another word for that this is another word for father in Aramaic no it's not Aramaic it's a Hebrew word it's not Aramaic so again point is that Jesus used the word ABA Jews used the
word ABA now watch this here some Scholars consider it to be a colloquial term of familiarity that a young child would have used similar to how American children use Papa or daddy jeho jeremias a German Lutheran Theologian held that ABA is a children's word used in everyday talk and in and that it express the heart of Jesus's relationship with God right he writes Jesus spoke to God as a child to as as a child to its father confidently and securely and yet at the same time reverently and obediently so you see here that the term
father is was a colloquial term used by those who spoke Aramaic and uh you know it's an Aramaic word not a Hebrew word the word a in Hebrew is it's different from from ABBA but I want you guys to pay attention to how this went down notice umman would not answer the question he kept repeating how we as Muslims would not use the term father for Allah we can use it for all these other people and yada y yada we would not use it for Allah now that wasn't my question my question was can you
can you as a Muslim refer to Allah as a father even in as a term of endearment not meaning it literally but meaning it metaphorically with respect and he would not answer it he kept deferring to and sticking his toes down on I we would not do it he did he wouldn't answer if can he because once he said no you can't do it as a Muslim then he would have to admit that according to the Bible Jesus is not a Muslim and he's been lying to Christians that he's been talking to for years at
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