[Music] judgment day is hitting alex jones hard i've told you we're covering this case because it matters for accountability in what has happened to these families these victims families in sandy hook but it also matters for drawing lines and punishment to deter lying in our politics but that's not all this hit a whole another level the jury now has the case in the defamation trial of mr jones but there was this bombshell twist in court if you've been watching tonight you've heard me reference it but let's get into it jones was taking the stand in
his own defense so he's up there trying to back up the claims he's made which include the idea that he wasn't really lying that he never had any emails about this and so on and then and i'm telling you you don't usually ever see anything like this the revelation from the lawyers for the sandy hook parents suing him they've got the goods that proves he's a liar and maybe a criminal and they got it from alex jones own i guess incompetent lawyers because those lawyers accidentally sent alex jones incriminating texts and emails the emails he
said he didn't have to the other side take a look mr jones did you know that 12 days ago 12 days ago your attorneys messed up and sent me an entire digital copy of your entire cell phone with every text message you've sent for the past two years and that is how i know you lied to me when you said you didn't have text messages about saying did you know that i see i told you the truth this is your perry mesa moment i gave them my phone and then mr jones you need to answer
the question no i don't know this happened answer the question the judge has repeatedly tried to take control there when he has gone off the rails joan's stammering pushing back obviously caught and then this happened in discovery you were asked do you have sandy hook text messages on your phone and you said no correct you said that under oath didn't you everybody was mistaken i was mistaken but you've got the messages right there you know i just want to make sure you know before we go any further you know what it is yes i do
i mean i'm not a tech guy i told you i gave in my testimony the phone to the lawyers before whatever and so you've got my phone but we didn't give it to you this is as serious as a heart attack that warning about perjury is real jones is being sued for defamation a type of lying and now he's caught lying on the stand and he hasn't even reached the punishment phase of how much he might have to pay or it could get worse the cell phone data that is being discussed here is now all
in the hands of the other side now jones is doing his usual deflection he has tried to say that all of this is some sort of misunderstanding or just his entertainment and he's used his platform to repeatedly willfully and intentionally lie and hurt people and he knows that what he lied about what he claimed was some sort of false flag hoax he always knew it was real it's 100 real and the media still ran with lies that i was saying it wasn't real on air yesterday it's incredible they won't let me take it back they
just want to keep me in the position of being a sandy hook man i really do want to try to change things and hopefully be a more positive force when it comes to issues like mass shootings this is what the start of accountability might look like i told you we've been covering this story long before today's twist anyone interested would cover this this is truly wild i want to bring in will summer he's a daily beast reporter who's been following all this and the author of trust the plan a book about the related issue of
the rise of q anon conspiracies that can unhinge all of our ability to function as a fact-based democracy important stuff uh thanks for joining me thanks for having me uh we'll go big picture but let's start with what happened today how bad was this for mr jones on a scale of one to ten uh really bad i mean i think i'd say 10 maybe 11 or 12. i mean as you said these are the kind of scenes you just do not see in courtrooms where you know it's like a law order moment where suddenly or
as alex jones himself said a perry mason moment uh where essentially you know he's already lost the case uh at the judge's order because he has repeatedly broken the courtroom procedures now he's finding himself you know it's up to the jury to decide how much the damages are going to be and here they're deciding is this a credible guy do we believe that he's apologizing or is he just trying to get out of this um and then he's shown on the stand to be a liar you have this of course great moment where mark bankston
the lawyer says you know your incompetent attorneys have shared all these emails with me i mean i think it was really you know it's someone who's watching it myself i stunned it and i'm sure the jurors were as well and it was a complete shock yeah absolutely i don't think anyone saw this coming i think mark bankston the kind of the lead lawyer on this has has he's talked a lot about the case and he's been pursuing this for years but he really had not tipped his hand on this i think one thing that's interesting
is he's only been able to access these emails and text messages for about a day because when the lawyers inadvertently shared it with them he said hey you shared this with me do you want to claim this as privileged and then they basically have 10 days to do that that that deadline only ran out yesterday i believe or roughly so and so you know again his lawyers almost screwed up again by not trying to retract that those emails and those text messages so it seems like potentially there's more to come we know rolling stone is
reporting that the january 6 committee wants to see these emails and text messages uh you know i think potentially it's a treasure trove uh uh operating offering a glimpse into the right wing media exactly and how this is done for profit uh there is a wide and broad first amendment protection for all kinds of views um but there is not a free speech or a right to knowingly defey uh and when you do it repeatedly for profit that is when you with malicious intent try to sell something in this case he was selling a lie
that defamed according to the court these families these grieving families i mean you couldn't couldn't come up with a sicker kind of uh approach you're not in first amendment land anymore and now they're just deciding on the cost then you have what you raise and i want viewers to understand this because again the way this case goes down might set a precedent that does dissuade others or make them think twice about how they profit off lies he's in trouble for the misconduct alleged regarding the case and the larger idea of whether he can perjure himself
and break all these laws take a look at how that came up is it your stance that there should be no punishment for breaking the law as long as it's done only on rare occasions well this is this is civil but there is a law right wrong and we have paid a massive price for the mistakes we made okay mr jones yes read it again please yes or no let's uh well but it's not no i don't think even when people do stuff on accident i think they're still somewhat culpable but i did not do
this consciously nope mr jones that's not the question not impressing the judge not an easy defendant but he may be hurting himself that way again when it comes to judgment day final question uh if he loses bad does the outcome of this case what the families call justice uh deter others uh from profiting off lies you know i really think this is a precedent set in case this and the other two sandy hook lawsuits to come um i really i think this is the first time we've seen one of these cases uh make it all
the way trial or previous lawsuit seth rich's family swing fox news some other cases but none of them has gotten this far and i think potentially you know i mean the the plaintiffs are asking for 150 million dollars in this case it's not clear whether they'll get that but i mean you're looking at potentially a just massive massive judgment that could destroy infowars they're constantly trying to move in and out of bankruptcy to avoid it so i think you know i i think this could demonstrate to other people pushing hoaxes and fake news uh and
frankly uh profiting handsomely off it in the way that infowars has that they might want to avoid that uh and i'm out of time will but um did you pick a beat on purpose where you would spend so much time watching infowars and studying q and on no no judgment you know it's a i have a high tolerance for it i think that's all i could say respect uh and you're you're doing important work which is why we wanted to get your reporting on this issue your objective reporting thank you sir
