hey guys it's Tim Miller from the bull workk and I'm delighted to be here with somebody I've been reading for a long time CLA berlinsky she writes The Cosmopolitan globalist on substack she's based in Paris and true to the name of the substack she's coming at us from mares a real Cosmopolitan globalist what's happening Claire hey everyone out there in Bull workland I'm a big fan of the bull work so I'm delighted to be tuning in for maresh all right check out her subse if you like what she has to say up next but um
there was a prime time address that president maon gave um uh France obviously I wanted to bring in you know somebody who's among the French to talk about it with um there were two key points but uh let's play One Clip first then we'll come back on the other side I want to believe that the US will stand by our side but we have to be ready for that not to be the case whether we whether we reach peace in Ukraine soon or not we need to be able to recognize the Russian threat and better
defend ourselves in order to deter such attacks whatever happens we need to provide ourselves with more arms more equipment in terms of Defense before we get to the nuclear part of this I want to talk about uh him saying that he he wants to believe that the US will stand by our side but we have to be ready for that not to be the case a pretty striking comment uh and very direct uh what what did you make of it and what's kind of the view from France I think everyone in Europe is stunned absolutely
stunned and although the writing was on the wall much earlier than last week I think last week was the moment when it became absolutely impossible to deny that something was horrifyingly wrong in the United States and I think the speech that macron gave was an effort to reassure uh particularly that we have a nuclear weapon over here guys we can we can rest assured that the Russians aren't actually going to invade us tomorrow um but I'm not surprised that he gave a very strong speech uh the question is what is Europe going to do now
that everyone has realized that it's Panic time and can it actually pull things together in time to make a difference what do you make of that I talked to Michael Weiss about this earlier in the week and he he is maybe an optimist I don't know when it comes to to Europe at least that uh that if there was the will and they have the time you know it's like it's going to take a little bit of time um that it is possible I don't know what um what do you what do you make of
that let me give you both the pessimist case and The Optimist case right the pessimist case is that not since the Roman Empire has Europe ever United to repel an Invader ever United in fact the EU is the closest thing that Europe's ever had there is no one Center of power in Europe that can dictate we have a lot of problems with countries like Hungary which are playing for the other team y um Europe did repel the Ottoman Empire at the uh it's a long time ago right yeah and the other and and France didn't
participate in that by the way so um the other big problem is that everything in Europe every bit of Europe's military preparation is in is meant it's designed to work with NATO which is all designed to have the United States sitting at the center of it like a spider at the middle of a web Ian it's the United States has all the satellite intelligence it has all the all the data it has um it has all the software updates for all the fancy Advanced new weapons which don't work if the software isn't kept up to
date it's like your computer if you don't update the software it just doesn't work and the United States has deliberately promoted itself as the center of the of Europe's military Alliance so how does this function if the United States is not only not playing for the team but playing for the other team that that is a nightmare that is an absolute Nightmare and the sense of betrayal in Europe is it's the sense of shock and betrayal is like nothing I've seen before here wow um what do you make of the mccrone strategy here or the
political kind of calculation right because you could you know up for up until again last week you saw kir starmer coming to the US to be almost obsequious to Trump right like like that the strategy was maybe not that he liked Trump or whatever but that like the right thing to do is to suck up and to you know rub his belly and to tell him it's going to be okay that you'll be by side you're so great you're so strong Mr Trump and so for mrrone to decide to give this I mean obviously the
text was reassurance to the French citizens right but the subtext really was like a shot across the bow of trump it's like that we can't trust them anymore we can't we we cannot they they might not have our back we might not be in Alliance with them like that was a a strategic move and I'm wondering whether you think that was you know out of anger out of just real politique like what do you make of that well there few things going on first is that France is trying to position itself as the leader in
Europe of a European Revival which France has argued for macron is not the only one who's argued for this but macron has strongly argued for this for quite some time but ever since charul you've got the fr the French tradition of saying we can't fully trust the Americans remember France for a time left NATO or at least it left the integrated system and um so there's something very natural to comes very naturally to the French to say okay time for us to take over and we're the only ones with the bomb at least the only
ones in the continent with the bomb and the only one with an independent bomb because the because the uks won't work without us um so it's it's very natural that he should do that and I think in saying we don't know if we can trust the Americans anymore he's saying only what's absolutely obvious to everyone in Europe um I don't know if they even I don't know if he's even imagining that Trump will hear that speech or care I think they've pretty much concluded that Trump is not paying much attention to anything outside what he
hears on Fox right yeah so as long as he's speaking French there's no uh no problem he's not being is Trump being briefed by by someone who would tell him what's going on in Europe I would be very surprised if Trump actually knows what macron said it's hard for me to argue with that I guess maybe there's something to I did that did thought did cross my mind I was like it's and you know because you you had seen this in the first Trum turn I can't remember the exact example but where like the the
you know speak in the native tongue the message of the native tongue was different than like the Tweets in English you know like slightly different figuring that Trump would see the the English tweets you've mentioned the nuclear thing twice I just think it's worth just putting a finer point on it he says our nuclear deterrence protects us it is complete Sovereign it's French from end to end this protects us much more than many of our neighbors um and uh so I that's speaking about the the the French side of this but then he goes on
to talk about the nuclear umbrella of France and how they would be willing to protect their neighbors again just like very striking kind of like an unimaginable thing for the president of France to say like three years ago right like they like oh no worry we will we'll defend you what's happened is unimaginable what's happened is utterly unimaginable and I don't think there's been any kind of planning for this scenario ever in the history of NATO there's been planning for all sorts of bizarre scenarios all sorts of threats but the American president being a mansurian
candidate that's that's not what anyone really thought was was on the on the docket yeah it is uh I mean it was unimaginable here until it wasn't I guess we we some of us like you and those of us who are the bullar folks I mean we've seen this coming for a little bit now but still just the degree that you know kind of it's like how it's been a light switch of some of these folks just waking up to the fact that we can't just pretend that this isn't what it is at this point
that like who knows maybe he'll change his mind he's impulsive maybe you know the rare earth or whatever but but no he's not gonna change his mind he's been absolutely consistent about this since the moment he entered our national discourse he's he loves Russia he loves Russia truly something um you flagged another speech for me and um I'm gonna let you say his name Claude malur malur uh he is a center from the horizons party it's like kind of center right minor party I was doing some Googling uh just a fun side fact he was
the mayor of vichi so we've come a long we've come a long way uh V is just it's a city right yeah I know in vichi France we've come a long way um uh but he also says bluntly the American Shield is slipping away um so just kind of talk about the extent to which this is being accepted even on the right in uh in Europe well let's separate the different kinds of right uh m is really a center right figure he's a beautiful orator I've always admired him I've always admired his French which if
you have any students of French in the audience you can hear it's a really beautiful French um and that was a particularly good speech I thought and it was very very straightforward and some of the language was um was very appropriate but it was very strong and he explicitly calls Trump a traitor um and that speech has been noticed throughout Europe and it is viewed as appropriate which is shocking in itself but also Condy he is speaking I think for the majority of France but he's not speaking for the far right and what's really interesting
to look at is where Europe's far right is going to go right now and I've been particularly to see where Marin Leen is going to position herself and where Jordan bellaa is going to position himself these are figures on the in the formerly National front now the anden is just keeping her head down she said something about Trump's withdrawal of Military Support to Ukraine being brutal being um Hasty and being she she really doesn't know what to do because she understands that this is not popular and that she has hitched her wagon both to Russia
and to Trump and suddenly it's not looking like such a good thing to hit your wagon to so I don't know um she had a decent chance at the presidency um a few months ago but I don't know if she does anymore and I'll be interested to see the polls when they come in and I hope they're terrible for her it is it it was interesting her comments about kind of him being to abrupt a farage also criticized him I thought that was interesting yeah um and you've seen uh I saw this a little bit
in Germany that like I think that among the concerns that some of us who maybe aren't living it as intimately as you are had were like you know and if with the Russian disinformation online with Elon owning Twitter you know that that that this the far right could infiltrate European politics Western European politics in the way that it's infiltrated American politics and it feels like that is backfiring a little bit I guess that's one green shoot from your mouth to God's ears I hope so it's my worst fear is that the combination of Russian influence
operations and American ones could bring these ghastly parties to power and then that's it then it's game over yeah um you uh you wrote uh about the Oval Office meeting that it was the single most shameful moment in American history you know the day where everybody's kind of hot do you five days later you stand you stand by that single more sh more shameful moment I can't I mean I can think perhaps of more shameful things that we have actually done um but as a moment um broadcast to the entire world broadcast to the entire
world with the concluding words that'll make great television the contempt I feel for the two of them cannot be expressed in the English language not even in the language of Shakespeare can I find it in a different language for us they are awful um what's interesting so uh I guess finally just kind of closing the loop on the on the French perspective I like it it does is it overstated to be like this is a that this was a rally around the flag moment I mean do you is there splintering around mcon on this at
all I say a rally around mcon moment in Europe I don't know whether it actually is in France I mean the thing that people have to remember is that mcon is a lame duck and he is widely loathed yeah he is not a popular president in France this might be a good moment for him his polls might have gone up a little bit but basically he has not been a popular president here and at the same time he's doing this he's already he's also passing legislations that annoy the Bakers and and you know I French
domestic politics are going to go on in their own way and whether the French it'll take me little while to figure out whether the French really get it whether they really get the gravity of this that and if they get it to the extent that they are not going to screw around with putting either the far left or the far right in power the next time they have the chance yeah um we'll see it is there is a long uh there's a history of not to compare mccrone to like Churchill or whatever but like there
is a history of people that were not that popular domestically though rising to moments at times like this so you know there's a lot of people are made of yeah um interesting Claire I will keep reading you everybody else should too the Cosmopolitan globalist um thank you so much for joining the Little Bull workk YouTube feed here we appreciate it enjoy maresh get back out there have a what are they drinking in maresh these days they drinking tea tea it's Ramadan they're not drinking any booze right okay well get out and have a tea then
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