The Most Important Interview Ever Recorded

Zandri is on YouTube If did if Satan is real or if demons are real if they really are a real thing and these occultists really can summon them you know how [ __ ] terrifying that would be just to find out that's real but isn't that like the old saying the greatest oh yeah thing that s that Satan's ever done yeah that's it that's it and and I look at the world we're in Right now Joe and everything going on and to me it's hard hard to believe that there ain't something medling or something you

know what I mean it's just something pulling on string dark energy right now of human behavior right like what would cause someone to want to embrace Satanism well I find it very remarkable that they were willing to share the strategy that Satan is working on yeah but with this group of course their plan Was that it would never get out that's right under seal of death they're that's right right their plan is that you don't have to worry about saying anything about the Great Master cuz as soon as as anybody uh Strays some the spirits

will tell the the high priest right away it's taking place they did with my Bible study by Wednesday night I studed on Monday and Tuesday by Wednesday night the spirit counselor appeared to the high priest and says you have one of Your defectors he says that moral guy going to get rid of him because he's out there studying the Bible with the advanti the people that that the master AIDS hates most on the face of the Earth what you are about to see is one of the most important interviews I have come across during my

15 years of research into the Supernatural and occult it is an absolute mustsee to understand the reality behind the subjects of ghosts demons and the so-called globalists the Man being interviewed is Roger morau in his youth he was recruited by a secret society of Elites that turned out to be deeply involved in Spirit Worship and engaged in the occult and Supernatural everything that Roger reveals in this interview comes from his experiences in the early 1940s and he made some frighteningly accurate predictions about global events that are taking place now this interview was recorded in the

mid 90s you told me hey I got something fantastic to tell you he said I am affiliated with people that speak with the spirits of the Dead how would you like to talk to this the the spirit of your dead mother and I was shocked I was shocked he said you wouldn't be uh afraid of talking to to the spirit of your dead mother would you while still I have to give Involed in the worship of demons in this two-part series Roger gives us a firsthand account of his heroine brush with the powers of darkness

and ultimately his Divine rescue conducting this exclusive interview are Dan and Karen hton of heart Research Center let's now join the hton and Roger morau as we together enter part one of a trip into the supernatural [Music] how in the world did you ever get Involved in praying to demon spirits well when I came out of the uh Navy after World War II I um was looking forward take up a trade in Montreal Canada and at that time I ran across a fellow that had been on a particular ship with me and he said hey

mon you're alive how nice to meet you he say let's have a dinner tonight I said my boss can I have the evening off because I was the Assistant to the Windsor bowling alleys and Billiard you know it's the high class uh place in Montreal where all the dress manufactur manufacturing people go and relax so I got the evening off and I went out we went out and have dinner he told me hey I got something fantastic to tell you he said I am affiliated with people that speak with the spirits of the Dead how

would you like to talk to this The the spirit of your dead mother and I was shocked I was shocked he said you wouldn't be uh afraid of talking to to the spirit of your dead mother would you well I said I'll tell you what I would have to give that some thought because something I never thought about before in my life most most of us probably haven't a little afraid of something like that well he says you Know you know it's written all over your face you're afraid of of going to se but he

says I know you he said you're going to come and then he started to tell me how Brave I was when I was a Bo ship you know different things he says you're not the same man you changed you're you're chicken that's all I needed to hear I said when do we put So one Saturday evening we were in the place it was the very first time very beautiful place the medium was a lady she had a gorgeous new home Montreal and there were about 20 uh invited guests there which I was one of them

and U she communicated with the spirits for there different people there and telling them what the spirit said and then there was one lady that had been talking almost continually before the S started and she didn't Believe in the you know the dead appearing and all of this and all that and she said well I would have to see my dead sister she says to believe it so while this the was going one man said I would like to talk to my friend that died 6 months ago but I don't want him to appear just

want to talk to him because he says I don't trust you talking to my my friend for me so the so the uh medium says let me inquire of the Spirit yeah the spirit will will talk with you and that big masculine Voice Was Heard in the place says hi Frank it's nice of you to ask for me talk with you and they had a little chat and after it was over Frank says this this is the greatest thing honored to be able to talk with the spirits of the dead then this the medium said

we have a very special surprise tonight for you people a spirit will manifest itself Openly here in a few minutes and it's right it's like a big gust of wind hit the building and right through the wall now the there lights weren't terribly bright but you know they were like living room lights uh a couple of floor lamps and maybe some of these and that uh translucent being seemed to come right out of the wall how did you feel right at that moment it's almost like my heart Stopped a little bit you know very weird

feeling so it was a lady in a beautiful evening gown soring and she said to Mary my dear sister you are so wonderful to have asked for me and Mary fainted and fell right off her chair on the floor and couple guys jumped up and pick her up and uh SP gone and that was the beginning of it that's how you got into it yeah that's the way I got into it after a while you see There's something interesting about the human mind you can adjust an awful lot of stuff you can adjust to a

lot of things that you that would terrify you to begin with after a while they become common and ordinary so you mean contact with the supernatural can become common place and ordinary and doesn't bother anybody yeah in other words the more that you do it you're not uncomfortable it's just not an uneasy feeling yeah so how did you Feel about it then I got into a secret society that worship the spirit see how did okay now how how is that different from the Seance Roger it happens that uh the Seance um are not involving in

many ways but when you get into a secret society of spirit worshippers then and especially when you're invited there by the direction of the higher rups in the spirit World you never get out of there alive and this is exactly what my friend and I were up against we didn't know anything about it and uh there was a very very popular uh big band leader Jazz mus yeah very famous played a lot in Montreal Canada Vancouver the big cities and uh one night we went to one of these sance and he was with his wife

now the spirits told him what to do Spirit told him there's two these guys give the names and your wife will want to talk it will make it so that your wife will want to talk to the to the medium when you say that you want to go home because you're tired as soon as you see that these guys are starting to to to want to leave then leave with them at the same time and as you get Outdoors you ask them if they're driving they'll say no they're going to take the traway a Couple

blocks away well he you invite them to get in your car with you with you and that you will take them to a fancy restaurant and and treat them to some good food and and uh talk about the Merchant Navy and that's what they did the guy did and there we were in this uh went this splush restaurant pulled into a little Alle and I can't still see it like it was yesterday I just enough room to pass the car back alley that happened To give on a restaurant that was on St kon's Street which

is the main street of Montreal and um that was quite an evening so Roger you're at this restaurant what happened well after we were seated in entering there the place was just full packed tight but there was a couple of table against a wall that was headed a reservation sign on it and the uh Owner of the place recognized the band leader and came and say good evening and uh you gentlemen want a table so you're one of the reserve people so we sat there and uh we had our favorite alcoholic beverages you know and

uh as we talk U um the band leader says how long have you fellas been involved with sorcery and he chalked us a little bit and I said exactly what do you Mean well he said you know what what you people are doing talking to the supposed spirits of the dead he says this is this is this is silly and this man had been at the Seance with you yeah oh yeah and he's telling you that it's silly what you've just done cuz see my wife he says goes to the seances because she gets comfort

and she gets uh something good out of it good feeling out of it and she lives for what the spirits you Know are going to see that the future is going to be like to says I can't bother with this stuff he says I want power I go right to the source of power and he says how do you think that I became famous that way that I am when I said you must have had some good luck what he says there's no such thing as good luck he says there's either some power working for

you somewhere or you don't get ahead in this world not in my my type of Occupation so um it went from there we went we got talking about the Spirit Worship did it Intrigue you or did it make you want to find out more about what exactly he was talking about yeah so he said the the supposed spirits of the Dead that you're talking with are demon Spirits your Fallen Angels the beautiful beings just set it Out just like that oh yeah it didn't make you uneasy when he said they were well you know sharked

you a little bit you know something that you first hear mentioned to you he said you guys have got a great future ahead of you because we've been told the high priest of our society secret society has been told that the master has very special plans for you to now what did he mean by the master uh Satan and um we were interested to hear More about it and he told us he says look we worship Spirits we worship Lucifer the Lucifer and All His angels they're just as beautiful as they did before they were

cast out of Heaven he say there was a misunderstanding in the whole thing he says among the inhabitants of the galaxies and he says our master was misunderstood and God did not bear with him like he does with with people that Make mistakes today so we're in a Warfare good against evil and we happen to be the evil ones but we're not that bad he says I look at this business between the force of Good and Evil he says you believe in in one person believe in God every One Believes In Lucifer it's like politics

so the great controversy MH is real and you've heard someone talk about it that's on the other side mhm and to these People they are sold to the fact that uh Christ will not return to this planet with power and great Glory he's going to abdicate all claims to the planet because this the high priest once said that uh Christ will Advocate all claim to the planet because he knows that it is lawfully and rightfully Satan and and at that time he says Luc Lucifer you mentioned Lucifer a Lot of times but he mention Satan

also he says the master usually they like talk about the master the master will resurrect his people from the graves now George is telling you all this or the high priest George George okay when the evening wound down and you're putting a cap on all that MH you guys had consumed some alcohol yeah and you did you feel like that they was kind of a one shot deal you didn't know if it ever happened again what happened After that well he said no I said listen guys he said I I like to have you says

meet some of our people what about next week Wednesday evening I'll pick you up at your place and uh you're invited to one of our uh Services services like a church service yeah something simar like that it's a testimonial to the spirits how the spirits have blessed your life see so when we left there I said to myself this guy is have drunk I'm not going to hear from him again you know but it was true that Wednesday night came he was there with his big linkoln steeping and we went to one of the uh

most beautiful area of Montreal um and uh the place was a mansion now Mansion is usually very large we we'll call this a little a small mansion it was beautiful was beautiful place yeah Roger your friend George took you and Roland to this Mansion where people Worshiped the demons what was it like there what kind of people were there well it was a big surprise for me as I kind of made up in my mind an idea that they were going to be rough looking characters but as we enter the place I was amazed to

see that they were all very well dressed well-mannered and that a lot of the people as we were being introduced to people were professionals doctors Attorneys uh a lot of business people and see what they had they had a praise session to the gods which is the uh spirit counselors which are in charge of Legions of of spirits of demon spirits and uh they talk about what the the Lord of their lives has done for them because they call on particular Spirits like uh um the godash which you read in second king about the Israelites

worshiped the golden serpent that Moses had made mhm well beh behind the Spirit Worship they behind that they were worshiping the serpent they were actually worshiping this uh spirit nasna and The Same Spirit In N is the pr was telling us that the medical doctor that was telling us how he was making operations that had never been made before because people had to be awake yet have no have no no feeling he was able to you know carry on surgeries that had not been done before but the spirits would give that capacity to be able

to Operate without people feeling any pain and things and also without no problem with with the blood because as you would cut his incision because incisions everything open and with no blood running so you could do work that there's not been done before now I recall reading in your book that at this um praise worship service they had they would sing hymns why would they sing hymns in a demon worship yeah um this was kind of a big surprise to me When I when that took place the priest said let's go down to the worship

room of the Gods and uh have a praise session know a singing session so we go down there and what did they think you think did they pass around Church himels you know Christian Church Mills and I couldn't believe this I said what's his business so the priest says well now he says for those of you that are new let me tell you that this is the most feasible way says to please the Spirits is to deride Christ and his people you know and his church and all that so they sing uh uh out of

Christian himels they didn't sing Christian words to the hymns however well they change they change a lot of lot of them yeah it's a form of it's a form of blasphemy yeah such as you see today in the rock music world you see the the entertainers they have these crosses lers got earrings crosses the guys got the cross this is a form of Blasphemy a form of deriding Christ you see spirits uh cause the people to do that to find pleasure in wearing this type of uh uh emblem which is the the cross is the

emblem of the crucifixion of Christ to the Christians so what were your impressions the first time you went down into that worship room well it was uh we' been there maybe a half a dozen times and uh the high priest uh told us after the meeting was Over he wanted to talk to us my friend and I so after the most people had left he says uh the master of my life has revealed to me that it is time for you people to become acquainted with the worship room of the Gods well we started to

move toward a beautiful uh um Grand Staircase beautiful the banister was was huge it was massive and the iron a iron work that they had done and it was super the beautiful decorations on the walls The ch theier on the first landing it was the first landing about you go down about eight or 10 steps and you had the first landing was huge and beautiful the the light Arrangement was the nicest I had ever seen in my life when we got into this this uh Sanctuary area it wasn't very brightly lit but everything re was

um well magnified the beauty of certain things you know like a lot of the things were gold PL Are gold trims see the little altars where they had they had the the spirits that had materialized they took they photographed them and then they had paintings made of them and there was probably about maybe hundred of those around the place sort of like a shrine yeah and underneath there was a little altar where you have incense and uh things that they would use in their in their prayer sessions and things like that devotions to to certain

spirits and Some of the objects in there the priest said were solid gold it was it was a unique experience to see that so how did you feel when you walked into that room I um felt that uh these people had power and they had a lot of it did that attract you uh yes and no you had mixed feelings about I had mixed feelings about it yeah because to a certain extent things look So good and sounded so good to us but you see I'd been brought up in a Christian home where my parents

had told us we were eight children in the family and especially the the older ones you know uh my dad says well you know if you get involved in wrongdoing you're going to have to pay the price there's always a cost for everything in this world so this thought kept creeping to my mind just how far you go with these Spirits before we start paying the Price see so made you just a little bit nervous oh yes but yet you kept going back oh there was no way out because that we were told you knew

at that time so you were moving forward more on fear more on fear yes because the the high priest said that the the master had special plans for us in our lives and that no one ever went into this Society unless they were invited by the spirits so that was made very clear And he also expressed to us the danger explain to us a danger of uh uh going against the will of the spirits and he mentioned about this one man and his wife that live in a fireproof building in Montreal the place burned right

down with him in it he was one of their members that had decided that well he wanted to think things over he was not going to get initiated at the time that the SP said he would like him to be initiated into The society so in reality Roger you were chosen by high-powered demon spirits to be a part of their human special privileged group you see these people in Montreal the society like the priest mentioned there's thousands of spirit worshippers in only different societies of spirit worshippers in this world but he says we are the

Elite we know the real truth about the master and his angels and they're not idious looking beings they are gorgeous creatures and From the paintings that they had on the on that in on the wall of the walls of that worship room they were unique beings especially the there was a painting full uh you know full size full length painting of of uh the Fallen Lucifer above his Altar and that was very fascinating a CU he looked like a man of great intellect High forehead the way did he look with his eyes the way he

had the eyes looking it uh gave you a depth Of perception of somebody that is very very knowledgeable in powerful power and Powerful yeah so Roger this high priest that you talked about he is the one that ushered you down into the worship room was he also the one that led out in the praise sessions that you talked about yes and he had an assistant also another priest okay now when you'd go to these praise sessions mhm what kinds of things happened at those at those sessions well There's a lot of um success stories positive

mental attitude kind of things well yes a lot of success stories the the Masters has done this for me and that for me I remember one uh Lumber dealer he had like half a dozen different operation FR of Quebec and everything that he touched seemed to turn to money you and he was telling about it and then there's uh this other person that was the CL voan that Uh would work only for the wealthy people only for the super wealthy he says I have the know how they have the means let them pay so he

advised in in business transactions they would come to him and say listen I I look at this deal that I might get you know this Factory or whatever it is like because this guy was this person was interested in industrial real estate see and he would talk to the spirit and then he would the spirit was Audible to him see you could hear the spirit talk to him but the the the man did not hear so the spirit was telling what was telling the the CL what well he called himself an astrologer reading the moons

and the stars and you know now what was the term you used for his title this man Clairvoyant Clairvoyant oh Clairvoyant clant yes and uh it was interesting this person stood up and says I had a nice little experience last week and he says the master he says they Take care of you this lady and her husband brought him uh to this astrologer a bundle of money they said this is the deal that you and he works at only on percentages only on percentages his Fe doesn't work for set amounts of money only percentages of

what the people are going to make so he said they brought me a substantial amount of money and they were very happy with it and I thought thought it was very Reasonable but then my guide spirit says ask them when they going to give you the other $1,700 that is really yours and he says to the folks I would like to know now before we leave here when will you have the $1,700 to give me that makes up my part of you know rightful part of of of the uh the deal the wife fainted and

the husband says we'll have the money for you within 24 hours so That was this type of PRI session so he was thanking the demons for helping him to know that oh yeah MH Spirit you at what point did this demon worship start to affect you personally Roger well it wasn't too long that the priest mentioned to us that uh the time had arrived for us to start trusting the spirits and give the spirit a chance to work for us and there was a number of gifts that you could choose From you see and um

I used to play the horses some not not knowled knowledgeable at all I used to go to those bookies you know the horse so often but I said hey I would like to to to be able to for the spirit to to instruct me on the the numbers and the name of the horses is going to win you know at Belmont or some other uh racetracks like that make myself a little Money so the priest says it'll be it'll be given you and sure enough one night I I where I fell into a TR or

dreamed the thing I don't know exactly what happened but I I saw three races that were really going to pay big and these horses were were dummy so to speak you know what I mean they were not really good horses they were like the one one horse paid 21 to1 because he was that poor right the chance of winning Was so poor that he paid 21 to1 on him and it showed me the I saw the the the board at the bouet and the number on it and I went there and U they said it

was going to be on Saturday uh that was like on Wednesday a few days later it was Saturday I went there sure enough there they were on the boards I went to U uh the Wicket and uh handed some money and and uh uh got myself uh a winner now I said where am Look crazy I had to put more money on there so I I I put $20 onto the next horse and that paid 21 to1 so you know I left there with maybe $4 $500 in my in my hands and uh I started

to do that in this in this case I went directly down to the finest man shop on St Catherine Street and bought myself a $200 suit and in 1946 a $200 suit was uh was 46 people used to work at the RCA Victor where I had worked before I went to the Navy for $18 a Week and uh the good earners were 75 to 50 $75 per week you know for U labor so the the demon Spirits looked on you so favorably they began to help you win in your gambling then I went to other

bookies you see and one day I um am told of the man at the cage where you do your beted he says my boss would like to talk to you and he said you go right through that door over there oh sure so I know the guys has Come on in gu sitting behind a big desk smoking the big cigar so he says you're uh Roger he says yeah he go up and walked around me he said you don't look that smart I said what sir you don't look that smart he says that you could

pick horses that are winners when they're supposed to be losers where do you get your help what do you mean help I'm not Getting any help I just happen to go and oh no we've been watching you here he says for a number of weeks and you always leave here with some of our good money and I'll tell you buddy if you want a list of all the bookies in Montreal I'll give you a list of them but he says I want you out of here and don't show up again because somebody's going to put

a you know what I you know what I mean I said okay sir I want to be back Again so it's a tough business to be in there gambling so even with the spirit help it was tough yeah well it's stuff is going to shoot you yes yeah the high priest would say a number of things to you when you were in these Praise services and you went to a number of them over a period of time talked about the issues of the great conflict you've already touched on that a little bit I want you

to follow Up on that a little bit more Roger um some of the things that you wrote in your book trip into the supernatural sounds a whole lot like what we as Christians today know as the great controversy mhm what were some of the things that that he told you there well he says that there's a great controversy going between the force of Good and Evil between Christ and Satan and he always praise the the Great Master Satan as a super intelligent Being that he is beautiful to behold and if he ever appears to you

you won't be able to look upon him because he'll be too bright it'll just ruin your vision the high priest said he was in Chicago and uh Spirit appeared to him and said Maro and his buddy George has invited them to to the service and the fellow that is in charge while you're away says that he's going to wreck all the work that the spirits have done for the last few years to get these people Into the society so the the high priest which is in Chicago picks up the phone and calls and the spirit

appeared to him and he said it was the spirit the angel was so bright that he could not look upon it upon him and he says after he picked up the phone to dial he couldn't dial the phone because of the fact that his vision was so terribly blurred By the Light the beautiful light of the bright being and he asked Z you know dial zero And the operator came on and he she had to you know dial for him and they talk about uh many many things in regards to you know who's going to

win this conflict any discussion about uh fire and brimstone yes he says the Bible people talking about the Christians you know they reading the Bible that you know we're all going to Land in L Lake a fire and this and that that's balone he says the conflict is going to end peacefully Christ is going to realize that that you might as well abdicate the rights of this planet take his few people on with him to his planet in the center of the galaxies and we will be left with a master who will resurrect all his

people that'll be as numerous as the sand of the Sea see and the master will rule forever and ever and ever a happy people and he named some of the people going people is going to be there I want to mention the names because it they known to history yeah so that was quite impressive did you always feel Roger that these people were telling the truth oh yes yeah yeah they were they really had things down Straight um but I was not satisfied with with the uh the answers and I was getting I was there

I there was something and I understand now it was a spirit of God saying hold back fellow hold back and uh the priest had talk about us thinking seriously about being initiated into the uh um right so they let you come to sort of uh take a look see but you can't go back For several months oh yeah it's not a matter of whether you're going to be initiated or not it's when you see so they begin to press you for a commitment so the priest said look fellas I'm not going to pressure you into

anything okay what I want to show you what the spirits can do for a devoted servant we went downstairs not through the the the staircase that I talk worship one of the Gods but at the other end of the Building went downstairs and a number of times I'd gone there to the men's room and I heard these typewriters clicking like the Dickens man is going I said why do we have a lot of people typing in there in that room well went there that that that even think he knocked and the man says come on

in and there was all those typewriters moving along by themselves typing at the speed that I'd never seen before and not only That the the high priest says I want to show you something clever so he follow me so we went around a table that was like two long tables and they had about 10 typewriters and he says now notice that that the typewriter types to the right then then doesn't go back it types back to the left isn't that something I had never heard of things that it before he said the spirits are Doing

the work and he introduces to the man and the man is a lawyer and he said how much money did you make last year oh he says send this six figures you see so this lawyer had a business in the building that housed the worship room oh yeah and he had a whole room full of typewriters yeah and he put paper in there and demons that's all he did put typew paper in there I was and and what came out what was it that came out different uh uh briefs for court uh Cases and so

he would sell these to people he had the service to to the uh to the legal profession and the high priest was United States and Canada so the high priest was showing you this to give you an idea about the kinds of blessings that you would receive y but after you left that typewriter the the room where the lawyer was MH they tried to draw you into a commitment by getting you to make a public profession tell us about that well they have a a super Beautiful Resort in the lenci mountains which is north of

Montreal north of santat santat is a famous name there in Montreal montrealers because they all go Sant North there you know the summer home and that so they had a a big uh uh Resort up there for their people you know this was a close society and they had uh uh on uh October the 30th Halloween is that October 30 31 and last day of October they had what they call live animal sacrifices I don't Know what it is they did we we could never find out by the time that I that the Lord pulled

me out of there I had not yet found out what it was so you have this uh Intrigue involved in there and um he talked about um three three very unique services that that I attended there that sit on my mind forever one was entitled Christian idolatry and the other one was entitled the super deception of a glorious New Age which actually applies to the new AG today and this was 1946 that we're talking and then the other one was Satan's great General Council of the 1700s and Mr the things that I heard there was

an eye opener first of all we'll go through the great General Council okay at the beginning of 1700s said the high priest Satan and all his Spirit counselors held a great General council with one purpose in mind it was to prepare for the great Industrial age that was soon to break upon the world and uh Lucifer also foresaw another age that was to follow that where tremendous scientific discoveries would be made by people and we would enter a unique age that would change the way that everybody lives it would also serve to usher in the

end times and the close of the great controversy between the forces of Good and Evil and the priest said that that Lucifer Had been studying the Bible and he found in the in Daniel 12:4 where we are told about the time of the end many shall leun to INF through knowledge shall be increased you understood it to be that we're getting to that point and you had with all the spirit counselors to change their modes of operation in order you know to ins snare people mhm and uh did device a way whereby people would disqualify

themselves from being members of Christ Kingdom and he was just very candid about this oh yeah telling you and the rest of the group 60 or 70 people there the plans that close 100 people Lucifer had revealed to him mhm and by the time the council came to a close they had three major policies that were going to be followed first they were to see to it that humans would be made to believe that Satan and his angels do not really exist cuz up to that time you could walk down a a street of Paris

and you would have signs that would that would say where you have a suits or you know or fortune teller or some type and and if you want to put a a curse on someone you could go and see this other old lady over there you know the the old witches that's way it goes uh but now it had it had to change Lucifer says we have to make sure that People humans get to believe that that Satan and his angels do not really exist you know Roger that's interesting because a recent research study report

that I read indicated that in a national survey I believe it's over 75% of people do not really believe in a real tangible devil but there is one oh yeah now the next thing that the three parts policy that they had adopted there the second one was to find a way of being able to get total Control of people's minds and that would be done by taking hypnotism out of the realm of the occult and introduce it as a new science for the benefit of mankind so part of what the high priest told you was

Satan's strategy to take total control of people's minds mhm they felt that um by taking hypnotism out of the realm of the occult and introducing it as a new science for the benefit of Mankind they could then use people of great Renown Educators people of capacity that would uh do great things such as supposedly regress people in time to pre to former lives that they had and of course after the session is over the person would not know a thing about ancient history and the person that she's talk she or he has talk about uh

performing you know certain Deeds we'll say 3 4,000 years Ago but this was their their strategy now what this would do for the thing is this that it would create in the minds of the general public solidly set in the mind of general public uh an unwavering trust in that great dis in other words people could you know they would believe it this person is as was hypnotized was regressing time to you know former lives and uh did this and did that in no decep maybe Alexander The Great we say you know and some of

generals and people like that and the person after the SE is over you know brings out comes out of hypnotism and he or she doesn't know what she talked about so now this would be a way of this of De christianizing the Western world through the Avenue of mysticism now the time came when um Lucifer decided that he had to choose a person to initiate this Thing and U FR Mesmer which was an Austrian physician was chosen because the priest told you all of this oh yeah okay because he was most capable Mesmer originated a

theory called animal magnetism later on later on named mesmerism mesir was led by the spirits to believe this is what the priest said was led by the spirits to believe that certain Persons have a magnetic influence within themselves so to speak that would cause them to have great power over over other persons even to the point of placing them into a trans and at that time that was readily accepted by people in general at the time that Mesmer lived so people realize you know they said some people got a capacity to put you into a

trans that's now by the time that he died In 1815 a lot of the physicians in Europe were using hypnotism as a means of anesia now hypnotism is the same as mesmerism that's right okay so mesmerism that's been U developed to a higher degree of uh refinement and um the priest went on saying that he the plane of Satan to um deceive the Human family this way he says it's the most intriguing thing to his Mind and he went on saying how it was going to be brought about said that a fellow by name of

uh Darwin and um another fellow by the name of uh Thomas Henry Huxley would be used by the spirits because in their childhood they had been hypnotized by medical doctors and they figured that that they would be real good subjects to uh lead the people Into this belief um that they had that Satan wanted to bring into people's lives now what were those three points again Roger the three things were number one that they did not want Satan Satan did not want the Human family to think that he or his angels existed right the second

point that you made had to do with taking control of people's minds that's right the third point was what was to destroy the Bible without burning it Okay see and what was his strategy on that on that um it was very interesting because after the great General Council it was decided that Satan would tutor Charles Darwin personally in setting up the uh uh the principles of is his theories of evolution he was cheed by Lucifer himself the Fallen Lucifer and at that time it was understood Satan and his Spirit Counselors understood that if a person

was led to believe in the theory of evolution it would in his life destroyed completely the the the creation weak of the Bible the fall of Man and Plan of Redemption it would do away with it and one Fell Swoop yeah now you made a a unique statement he said that according to the spirits anyone that teaches a theory of evolution is considered to be a minister Of the great religious system see they call it the religious system the theory of evolution because it is a system of schooling people and getting into disqualify themselves and

being members of Christ Kingdom and he said that every teacher of that theory is recognized by the Spirits as a person of Great Value he and receives a very special unction from Satan himself giv great power to induce Spiritual blindness to convince and convert three capacities are given to those teachers of theory then that's not all the priest says that Satan considers the teachers of the theory of evolution to be so valuable to him that in the sight of all the inhabitants of the galaxies he assigns a written of Bright Beautiful angels to follow the

that uh Educator all the remainder of his life and that in the sight of the inhabitants of the galaxies is the greatest honor that he can bestow upon his workers on Mankind and to uh you know until the controversy is finished that was quite uh enlightening now the high priest was talking just sort of like a preacher would talk up front was he enthusiastic Did he have a was he did he seem like he had bought into this and was excited about it oh yeah he believed it 100% the question about it everything why why

would he be so excited about spirits trying to deceive human beings because obviously out of this Council of 1700s deception was a major part of the strategy why what he says deception it's like politics you know you believe in one candidate the other person believe in the other candidate and they're all They're fighting to get to get you know the position and it doesn't matter who's going to be the smartest and with the Lucifer the Fallen Shad of him he's very smart he's going to win and Christ going to advicate the the you know the

rights of the planet he's going to resurrect his people have established his kingdom that last for ever and ever God won't be able to destroy him because it wouldn't be against against Gods uh the creators nature to destroy lufer and the fire Beside that he said uh Spirits now even Spirits have the capacity now to outlive fire he says you don't believe it go to India or some of those countries where they have uh fir Walkers and done by the power of the even Spirits these people are energized by even spirit so they can walk

on those hot clothes without buring themselves and this is what the high priest said and he says if they you want to use fire they can't use it it's not going to burn Anybody so that's the way that's the way to believe on so this this high priest was almost talking to your group in an Evangelistic fervor oh yeah because he figures that he's going to be one of the higher ups in the in the great Kingdom okay now of the group that was there that night 60 70 people I think you've mentioned before yeah

very how many of those were people who were hardcore members and how many of them were new Inductees well we were we were the only two youngsters you and your friend and how old were you at that time Roger I was about uh 20 20 years old mhm yeah 20 years old did you have a feeling of awe over the fact that you had been chosen yes in a way and then I I got thinking about this when am I going to have to pay the price the cost my parents had brought me up like

this if you get involved with evil you're going to reap what you sold so you want to be Upright in life and if you associate with evildoers they'll probably lend you in jail or somewhere else that you wouldn't want to be so there's always a price to be paid so you had that little something maybe instilled by your mother yeah and father long time ago that kept you from making that full commitment now one of the things that uh really amazed me and and uh shocked me and made me sick at heart it's when the

priest uh talk about Christian idolatry What is Christian idolatry the priest mentioned that word tell us tell us what he said Roger he said that Christian idolatry is the the the most grandiose or great deception that has ever been brought upon the Human family upon mankind and he says in and he boasted that demon Spirits are continually defiling Christian churches through the Avenue of necromancy by using a form of Spirit Worship that involves hundreds of Millions of Christians into idolatry without there being aware of it now what is necromancy describe NE or Define necromancy for

me their belief popular belief of necromancy is to conjure the spirits of the dead so that you can speak with was someone who was died the Seance that you originally went to was the practice of necromancy now the priest says that the this super deception is brought about in only one way through the deceptive belief that Man has an immortal soul that lives on after death and he said that constitutes Idol idolatry through necromancy so he says there are hundreds of millions of Christians are practicing idolatry well they think they're glorifying God you see because

they believe that the soul is Immortal they may not be talking to the supposed spirits of the Dead yeah contrary to popular belief necromancy does not consist of conjuring the spirits of the Dead the reason being That man is totally mortal and does not possess an immortal Soul so who are they talking to he says the friendly demon spirits that have always found over the centuries great Delight in impersonating in apparitions departed loved ones and persons of great Renown now friendly demon Spirits friendly demon Spirits are there more than one kind of demon Spirits Roger

well there's three main divisions and then there's divisions within those Divisions you have the friendly demon spirits that seem to have uh their finesse and the refinement and uh they're not upset about what happened when they were thrown out of Heaven from what I gather then you have the Warriors they like to bring misery and destruction in the lives of people then you have the oppressors and the oppressors are are the real Wicked spirits that that hate God with all of their the Creator with all of their Might you know so he went not explaining

he says now necromancy is in reality a belief a religious belief people believe that the dead have entered into a higher state of existence than they had when they were alive also that they are in a position and have the capacity to help the living here on Earth see then he said is he says this is where things get really Interesting he said according to the Great Master a person does not have to supposedly call upon the spirits of the Dead to receive help you see to be involved in the in chroman all he needs

to do is to believe in life after death because he said necromancy is the belief that man is human as a human being as as a Immortal Soul so anybody that believes that man has an immortal Soul is involved in necromancy is that simple that's the way you explained it y so how does that constitute idolatry by people believing that they are either talking to the Saints you see the spirits of the dead dead Saints or a dead relative or a dead person of some type and you take for instance like lorett Lynn she owes

she says on national television and I have the date On it that I heard it myself she said that she was made successful in her singing career by a dear friend of hers was the same age as she and died when she was 18 years of age and Loro was trying to get into the the singing world you know but it it it would she says I had no success at all until one night I was s sitting in bed reading a book and she says who walks right through the wall with my my friend

the spirit of my friend and she says Loretta I'm going to make you a very famous person in singing Western uh country music and I will be with you all the time trust me and she says she had a big concert one once and she was coming down with this bad cold and she thought that her voice was going to give she talked to her spirit and felt felt that she was going to be helped and she got in on the stage and she started to sing and right in the middle of where she really

needed the the power no power at All and her spirit friend tapped her on the shoulder and said and started to sing for her she said her voice went through me the power and you saw this in a television documentary yeah yeah that's was I believe 1976 it took place now the priest explained that when people believe in this business they are actually opening themselves to be completely deceived by demon Spirits Because it gives the the Dem Spirit an opportunity to impersonate the dead see and for people to believe their lives and the priest says

that Thrills the first of all it says it brings to the Great Master the respect and the reverence that is due to his great name and it makes all the other Spirits exceedingly happy because they are the ones that have worked to lead people to believe in life after death see and they Rejoice also And that's the extent of uh what Christian idolatry is all about friendly Spirits just to digress for just a moment you mentioned three different categories and the friendly Spirits are the ones that love to in impersonate yeah uh being a historian

or something in your specialize in that in your experiences in the Praise services or in the worship room or the other places where you were any of the places you were did you ever witness a an event Where necromancy or even uh something that would be popularly called channeling today took place where you actually heard the voice of someone in response to someone's questions yeah a number of times but there was one time in particular that fascinated me because um it was unique in in one way the priest told us that there was a French

historian that was affiliated with Montreal uh University of Montreal which is a French University and the English University is Miguel so the University of Montreal is the French uh uh University and this man was from Paris but he's affiliated with the university and he wanted to have some details in regards to uh Napoleon on aart and one of his generals so by the way there are also in other parts of the world Elite Spirit worshippers like the group that we had In Montreal and he mentioned there that uh he said you guys are fortunate when

my friend and I went in because you right in time to see something very interesting my friend there is having his devotions done the worship room with the gods and he will um use uh a trans medium to converse with uh certain demon spirits that uh will inform in in regards to ancient history by Napoleon and sure enough we went down there and Uh somebody came up and say he's ready to for the the session and we went down there and uh he said you would need uh three people um you would need three people

but he wanted five people that volunteer to be the channel for the spirit okay so he was three was three of them was chosen there and he other went back and sit down and uh the man shook his head little bit Like this his eyes went glazed and he stayed at it for a half hour and the spirit spoke to him said I'm I'm a spirit counselor and what would you like to know and uh the he had a clipboard the historian and ask him some questions this historian was from Paris yeah and he was

wanting information some detail information about Napoleon nap parted in one of his generals and so he asked the questions of one of these human beings That was channeling oh yeah the voice changed in everything the voice changed the person completely okay and and it identified itself as a spirit guide Spirit counselor yeah okay a spirit counselor and and then proceeded to tell him all the events that he was asking answer his questions and there was a certain question that was asked and the spirit counselor said I will have Lord Remy and Lord Alon duplicate in

other words the the Dialogue had taken place oh the two other yeah the two other uh men uh fulfill what he was looking for but the one thing that interest me is uh the mayor of Montreal caman Hood during World War II at the beginning of the war he was very controversial when in regards to to the war effort you was you would tell the French speaking boys not to go into the armed service see because you're going to go and shed Your blood for the British you know and we're you know with their servants

so to speak and all that and he didn't want them to go into war and they put him in in prison he was jailed for the length of the war for this now the main said I would like to have you tell me to the Spirit uh to give me part of the speech that was given by chaman hood on on the uh steps of the Montreal City Hall on a certain date there are different Versions of what has taken place and you Lord would know the the exact one now the mayor of Montreal was

still alive was still alive and this hisor historian is asking what was actually said at a speech yeah okay the spirit counselor said I'm sorry I can't help you all of my activities and my people have taken place in Europe however after my departure uh our departure other spirits will come and help you and sure enough The the guy vibrated a little bit and he's back and he said boy I long say 20 minutes been us as a channel so they um again the spirit entered into him and the spirit said he was a spirit

counselor that could give him the information that he was looking for so um again it was given verbally and it was the voice of comedian Hood now how did you know that it was the voice well because of the fact you see I was a Youngster in those days just about ready to go into the army and caman we used to listen to the radio we had no television in those days it was only radio and read newspaper and all the speeches of coming in made and all of was on radio all the time in

those days they had no tape recorders as we have now so they would C would have to go to the uh Canadian broadcasting studio studio where they made a record a real photograph record and then they played it over and over You know for the rest of so you listen to those as a teenager before you went into the army so you knew his voice so I knew his voice really good so uh I said to uh uh George he was sitting next me he said isn't it amazing he said if you think that's amazing

wait he says until the spirits uh impersonate one of The Departed people that you know personally like an uncle or a brother or a sister or something that he says that is Unique but that's the way it was you are able to reproduce a voice man and the the just per the spirits are exceedingly proud of this because and and this also uh was right up my alley the priest said that as the times on this planet gets more and more difficult and calamas of all kinds are striking the planet more and more Frequently demon

Spirits are going to impress people with with the the importance of Sunday sacredness Roger when I was the teenager back in the 1970s I remember a song that came out talking about the age of Aquarius MH and since then we've seen the development of the new age and I wondered if back when you were involved in Spirit Worship if they talked about new age at all oh yes it was a big thing that was coming up one of the uh major Deceptions of the last days and the priest told us uh he had we talked

quite a while and then he said could I have a little bit more your time I want to do something very fascinating he says the grand plane the Master's Grand plane for harvesting the Nations for for harvesting the multitudes of the earth into his calls just before the close of the great controversy between the forces of Good and Evil so we continued you know after We express ourselves we're deeply interested to know more about the activities of spirits and he said it's going to be done in a unique manner this this Grand PL is going

to take people people are going to eat the stuff because it says Spirits demon spirits will declare themselves to be inhabitants of far distant planets in the galaxies that are coming to warn the Inhabitants of planet Earth of the impending destruction of the planet unless something seriously proper is done to avoid it M and he went on say show saying that they will claim to have out of body experiences are you familiar with out body experiences I've read about that in other words so person's uh there some persons are supposed to be able to you

know uh they believe in their Immortal Soul projection yes right goes into different parts of the world and sees things and come back and then they write all about it you know I heard of that so due to the fact that the millions of the earth people believe in having people having an immortal Soul he say to be read readily accepted when the spirits will through a trans medium converse with influential people of the lane you see now what is a trans medium it's a Channeler today what what is Known today as a Channeler Channeler

yeah okay uh Shirley McLean's experience of getting involved in spiritism and with the uh inhabitants ofos inhabitant of faran plants in the galaxies I tap the whole things three hours when you were hearing the Fulfillment of what this high priest had said 45 years ago yeah exactly so he went on explaining about the fact that the spirits will show Themselves willing to give valuable guidance that will not not only help people avoid the destruction of the planet but it would cause it to enter into a higher state of existence for instance he said the spirits

will will promise and this is a big word promise that if their recommendations are followed carefully they will usher in a glorious new age of peace and Prosperity and there there'll be um well there'll be no more Wars you see uh there'll be no more more famines there'll be no more uh people getting unhappy to one another neighbors will love neighbor and social unrest will not take place no more it'll be sure there'll be perfect happiness for a thousand years that's what the spirit is going to promise almost like the Garden of Eden created all

over again and now we find That a lot of preachers are are preaching the great age of Glorious new age of victory victory over Wars victory over social unrest Victoria over famines and victory over all kinds of uh and he used the words new age to describe what was coming it would be a glorious New Age yeah and uh this is exactly what the movement is all about today and he went on and said as I said earlier that As life on this planet becomes more and more difficult and calamities will strike the planet more

and more frequently the spirits at that time is are going to put all their effort to impress religious leaders to bring before the the masses of the Earth the the sacredness of Sunday you see they will teach Sunday Sacredness and with the religious leaders looking forward to a thousand years of perfect peace on Earth they will put all their effort into it then laws will be passed by governments yeah when one person asked what's going to happen about people that don't believe in the spirit's recommendation the pr says that be no problem at all laws

will be passed by governments that will force people to go along with it regardless of whether they Believe in it or not and he says the law enforcement officers will explain to people make it clear that such a law is necessary to assure the well-being of all people say the will be passed no effort at all and then he he went on and he and and he said about the fact that um uh the venerability of the sun which in ages past was such in irritant to the Creator all of these great Nations and other

nations of smaller ones were all involved in Sun worship and in those centuries the Creator found that teaching of worship of the son to be terrible irritant and he said it is going again to take place but not in worshiping the son in Remembering Sun did to keep it holy you made a statement I would never forget he says by the observance of the day upon Which the master Satan has placed the unction of his authority and Power yeah he receives homage regardless of whom people claim to worship that something so can you understand now

I I had 28 Bible studies in one week and started to go to church on Sabbath and I never missed since uh until I became him sick the issue of a day of worship came up in that meeting mhm was Sunday the Only day mentioned when you see the the priest mentioned yes about the fact Satan as chosen Sunday as is day the creator has chosen the seventh day of the week Lucifer has chosen to call his day the first day of the week Sunday you see and regardless of what people claim to to worship

worshiping God the Creator by observing that day that particular day they are bringing homage and respect now at that time in your life you were 20 Years old or so mhm had you ever heard of a Seventh Day Adventist never in my life in that mean he didn't talk about seven Adventist they talk strictly about Adventist they just talked but they did the word Adventist was mentioned the priest was telling us that U nicoman as I mentioned earlier is the belief that the dead have entered to into a higher state of EX existence Etc and

he says for centuries friendly demon Spirits have Worked diligently to establish and uphold in the religious convictions of all people the believe that man has an immortal Soul see then he boasted about the fact that the master was so smart and that he had deceived the whole world even this in this age of great scientific knowledge and and understanding then one person put his hand up okay PR says yeah yes you want to say something he says what about the Adventist you can't count them deceive regarding the the the state of the dead and I

got a question what about how come they they they can't be brought under the great deception the priest said you you're you're right I apologize says here I made a mistake when I said the all the millions of people living on the face of this planet everybody you know was on the ring the the Great Master I forgot the Adventists there's So few number when you figure the billions and all people I didn't even me think I'm mentioning him so I'm sorry then he says secondly the reason why they can't be brought under the great

deception let me explain about it now he said my next statement is going to upset some of you but what I'm telling you is the honest truth it it it is factual it's reality the fact that get van observe The biblical Sabbath of creation and reverence the Creator on that day it makes it impossible for the spirits to deceive them they are giving very special help and great in spiritual insight and he said under these conditions they are not ordinary people and that state with me man just like this and when I heard the the

the the word Adventist when s told me later on we we going to cover Later I asked him I said where the N Mission you belong to 7 seven advanti what's that again he said I'm a seventh advanti I said is that the same thing as as advanti oh yeah he say a lot of people call us the Advan don't talk about about the 70 same thing Bo I was interested I bet you were now I want to know what his Bible said yeah I bet you did because that was the one group that the

under question only the high priest of the Demonic uh uh worship house yeah the thing that he had said to you was this is the one group that can't be deceived that's right and so somewhere back inside that that uh that resistance you had had mhm came out and you awoke a few months later that experience unique experience was instrumental in helping me make a decision for Christ and also I had no hesitation to join myself to God's commandment keeping people Because of the fact that I knew what kind of people they were and after

having had 28 Bible studies in one week I started to keep the the Sabbath uh you know kep forever but you see the time that I had these Bible studies 4 hours per evening we started at 7:00 and finish at 11:00 at night we had do Bible study similar to what you have what you showed me the other day that you have in your pocket the Bible studies were about an Hour there were questions and then you look at the verses that they give you in the Bible and you had you answer it was so

fantastic and uh the spirit of God was really ministering to me The Graces of redemption every moment of that of all those Bible studies was precious precious precious precious Roger at that time your major language was French you did not speak English and all of this happened in the French language in Montreal how long after you became a sth day Adventist or after you learned of sth Day Adventist did you read the book great controversy by Ellen White well I um joined the church I mean I mean I first had the Bible studies in October

of 46 in April of 47 I was baptized into the church in October September of that year ELO and I got married and the French Church Montreal gave us as a Wedding gift the conflict of the ages series and I I had not read the great controversy up up to then but then you read it yeah and what went through your mind when you read the book great controversy thinking back on the experience you'd had maybe just a year or so before that's right what went through your mind this this person is inspired this person

has got knowledge that nobody else has on the face of the earth except you know the spiritist that I was mentioning because it's so unique well I find it very remarkable that they were willing to share the strategy that Satan is working on yeah but with this group of course their plan was that it would never get out that's right under seal of death their that's right their plan is that you don't have to worry about saying anything by the Great Master because as soon as as anybody uh Strays some the spirits will Tell the

the high priest right away it's taking place they did with my Bible study by Wednesday night I saided on Monday and Tuesday by Wednesday night the spirit counselor appeared to the high priest and says you have one of your defectors he says that moral guy going to get rid of him cuz he's out there St sing the Bible with the Adventist the people that that the master hates hates most on the face of the Earth the high priest almost had a Heart attack cuz he said I kind of like you he said that's what he

told my friend because I didn't see him after that but he told my friend try to convince me to go back you know to Spirit Worship Roger you were 72 hours away from making a full commitment to the elite Spirit Worship how did God rescue you at that strategic moment well I'll tell you I should really go back a couple of weeks in Time um as the high priest had talked to us about the advantage of getting initiated in the in the society on the 31st of October uh that night I came home went to

bed and I couldn't sleep till about 3:00 in the morning because I had all of this experience of the supernatural had gone through for so many months now and my Catholic upbringing that I've had you know and it questions about God now I knew there was A God because the spiri is made me well aware of that but I was in a state of of uh terrible unrest I could not I could not have slept and without even giving it a thought somehow I said as I was laying on my bed I said if there's

a God up there that cares for me help me