I grew up for 18 years in the Mormon church and like strict to the tea Mormon so were you repressed um I would say so just a little bit I mean sex was only between two married two I mean we obviously have sex but two married couples and that was it I mean well between one married couple one married couple yes you're talking about the old days yeah the old days yeah that was but so so the situation with you two so that you um Holly you were in a previous marriage and then that came
to an end and then you two met up and actually Michael for you it was important that you both understood fully what was going on here and you didn't rush into this this was something you just talked about for three months we did when we first met uh Pockets we we call Holly pockets and she asked me about my past cuz I was honest about it it was not a requirement for our relationship she asked to attend a party because she had certain ideas and thoughts in her mind that she'd wanted to live out out
and after talking a few more months about it we then pursued it together tell us what you can about your first party um well I expressed to him how I felt about just opening up our marriage and possibly sharing herself with someone of the same gender and what that would be like and how I would feel about it and would it be infidelity would it be cheating and I shared with her when you do something consensually you don't need my permission to do it but the fact you're asking and we're doing this together means we
are doing it consensually and our Love Can Build and our trust can build versus going behind my back in doing it it's not acceptable to cheat it's not acceptable to lie it's not acceptable to deceive but when you build trust and you open the communication then we're doing it and we're having fun but how how would you keep jealousy at Bay then because I think a lot of couples would be the thought of their partner seeing their partner being that physical with somebody else would you wouldn't be able to suppress those feelings of jealousy which
would then impact the relationship in a negative way for me personally it's the fact that we talk about everything I mean we talk about everything before we go to any of these parties we talk about everything after we have rules and boundaries that we set up pre going to the parties and we don't break those rules so we don't get behind each other's backs we do everything together one of the rules we have whether it's being with just an individual female or being with a couple is that it's always done as a group and we
stay in the same room it jealousy is is normal jealousy is real if you accept the jealousy you talk about the jealousy then you don't allow it to become a major insecurity and that's what we do if something turn me on a little more or turned pockets on a little more we don't throw that in the other person's face we talk about it because I'd like to learn or she'd like to learn and it's interactive it's doing it together it's doing it as one because when you do it as a we not a me you
have lot L less to worry about what about what about if uh if one of those others excuse me D sorry um if um if you fall in love with someone if you uh if you if you suddenly realize that uh that hang on a second you're doing this really really well um I prefer you what happens if that what happens then you know you can never say never and we don't do that but we are 100% emotionally monogamous and by communicating there's a better chance I have a lot of friends that say how can
you why do you and the fact is I can't control her I don't want to control her you know we watch movies like 50 Shades out there and not all that is real it's the fact is is everyone's got free choice and what Pockets wants to do pockets is going to do I have a better chance of losing my wife to a woman than I would ever to a man but again by communicating and by sharing it yeah I I would never leave him he's he's my rock he's my he's my everything and we we
talk about everything so there's nothing that I feel that he doesn't know when you talk about fear too you talked about fear and jealousy knowing that when you're at an event you don't change your rules you don't allow something to happen you haven't discussed we can never go over every what if but what we can do is say hey if something comes up that we haven't talked about let's excuse oursel from the situation with I mean it sounds wonderful it sounds like that's like your relationship you discuss each other W with everything brilliant but you
can't control what other people feel about your relationship and you've you've lost a a job because of your what you two did together seven figure salary being the executive director of a medical oncology Association absolutely and my CEO the night before I was released was bragging about cheating on his third wife like he did his first and his second wife hiring people so he could cheat but when the HR called me they said what he did well people understand cheating they don't understand open relationships and I said well that's unfortunate and they understood it was
going to be a big payout because that was discrimination yeah we're not protected the lgbtq is protected we're not and what we do in the privacy of our bedroom should be I was sued for full custody of my daughter because of what we do and it was a very very expensive lawsuit but there had been no case law in the United States and the judge determined after 7 minutes that no what we do in the privacy of our own bedroom is between a husband and a wife we're not including the children and when a couple
that doesn't understand what we do asks well what are you going to tell your kids I asked them when was the last time you were intimate and when they finally answer I say did you tell your children and I just stop because the fact is we don't share with our children as parents when we're intimate whether we're in a monogamous relationship or a consensually non- monogamous relationship always say playing you know the only thing we want to bring home is a memory we don't want to bring home an STI or an STD no matter how
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