Man Leading Double Life Denies Paternity (Full Episode) | Paternity Court

Please be seated. Hello, Your Honor. Hello.

This is a case of Touray v. Lacey. Thank you, Jerome.

Good day, everyone. AUDIENCE: Good day. Ms.

Touray, you are in court to prove to your ex-boyfriend, Mr Lacey, that he is the biological father of your adult son, Trevon Lacey. You state that the defendant has been an absentee father, full of excuses, and you want it all to end today in court with the truth. Yes, Your Honor.

Tell the court. Well, it's not fair to my son, and he really needs to man up. Because, um, he's depriving my child of a father.

He is the father of my son. And so, you believe that you are not Trevon's biological father? Yes, ma'am.

Yes, Your Honor. You believe that from the beginning? Yes, Your Honor.

JUDGE LAKE: All right, so. . .

Did you sign the birth certificate? No, Your Honor. Yes, he did, Your Honor.

Your Honor, I could not have. . .

Your Honor, I got proof today that he did sign the birth certificate. And his name is on my son's. .

. I'd like to see that proof. Jerome.

Your Honor, I could not have signed the birth certificate. I was not. .

. I was incarcerated at the time Trevon was born. Thank you.

You're welcome. So, this birth certificate. .

. Child's name, Trevon Lacey. Father's name, Larry Lacey.

But it's typed in. LACEY: Mmm-hmm. JUDGE LAKE: Was he present at the birth?

He was not present. No. You basically just gave them his name?

I gave him his name. . .

And they typed it in? Yes. So, Mr Lacey, when did you find out that she claimed you were Trevon's biological father?

Uh. . .

I'd say Trevon probably was about. . .

Between three and six months old, I received a court paper to go to the state of Ohio, child support court. And, uh, me and Ms. Touray, we did both appear at the child support court.

When I walked into the court, the judge, he looked at me and said, "That's your son, you know, "you have nothing to say. " That's not true, Your Honor. They gave him an opportunity for a DNA.

. . No, they did not, Your Honor.

. . .

if he had any doubt that my son was not his child. No, they did not, Your Honor. Hamilton County gave him.

. . I would have took the DNA.

. . .

a window of an opportunity to say, "Yes or nay. I want a DNA. " He said, "No, it's my son.

" We went forth with the child support case. You don't remember any of that happening? No, ma'am.

TOURAY: Yes, he does. That's not the way I remember it happening, Your Honor. Okay!

But he's on the birth certificate? TOURAY: He is. So he is the legal father?

TOURAY: Yes. JUDGE LAKE: And his court paper say he's paying child support. You pay child support?

Yes, I have proof, Your Honor. JUDGE LAKE: Let me see that. There you go.

But, Your Honor, I wanna put this to bed. I'm tired of reliving this. You know, okay, I made a mistake.

It wasn't even a mistake. I was just living. .

. JUDGE LAKE: Mmm-hmm. .

. . on my own.

And he just keep throwing this man in my face over. . .

And making my son feel bad. I'm ready to put it to bed. That's what I wanna do.

And get on with our life. Right. Your Honor, my intention is not to make Trevon feel bad, nor is my intention to make Ms.

Touray feel bad. Only thing I wanna know is the truth. Sounds like, as we stand here today, that there is in fact a question of, a real question of paternity that both sides acknowledged.

You presented this evidence to the court which indicates that you. . .

$37,000. You owe 37,200 and some odd dollars in child support, which you have. .

. LACEY: Knocked it down to $5,000. JUDGE LAKE: You've got about $5,800.

LACEY: Yes. JUDGE LAKE: It's past due. You've paid all of that.

So throughout these years, you've paid. . .

LACEY: I've been paying off and on. You know, sometime during them years, I was unemployed. Soon as I find employment again, then, you know, my wages started being garnished again.

But you've managed to pay that $37,000 down to almost $5,000? Yes, ma'am. Okay, so you getting it done.

And the only thing that Ms. Touray have told me is this, because I asked her about the other gentleman, and she told me that she went to this other gentleman and she spoke to that gentleman, and the gentleman told her, no, Trevon is not his child because he do not look like any of his other children. And Ms.

Touray accepted that. So, now, let me understand. Who.

. . Who is this other.

. . I don't know the gentleman's name, but he is.

. . The gentleman, when.

. . When me and Ms.

Touray was first got together, I had to leave and go out of town. Okay, take me back to that. How you met.

You met. . .

Okay, I met Ms. Touray. .

. Uh, I was on a city bus and she was on the city bus. And she had her oldest son to walk up to me and give me a piece of paper with a phone number on it.

Okay? (AUDIENCE LAUGHS) So when I looked at the phone number. .

. I know what I want. When I looked at the phone number, I'm wondering who is this.

So I turn around and I'm watching where the child goes. The child went back and he sat next to Ms. Touray.

I looked at her and said, "Mmm, nice-looking young lady. " You know, maybe we can get together. And so, Ms.

Touray, you don't remember sending your son up with the phone number? Your Honor, yes, I do remember meeting Mr Lacey. Okay.

And partially that is true. Um, the thing is, I found him very attractive and very charming. Yes, I did.

And I did approach him because I liked what I saw. So we. .

. The chemistry once we started talking. .

. The chemistry was good. And, um.

. . He decided to move in with me.

Well. . .

At this time. . .

The first time I had sex with Mr Lacey, he got me pregnant. But I didn't know it at the time. So, Mr Lacey, talking about how he left and went out of town, he just disappeared, Your Honor.

He disappeared. I don't know where he went. But later on down the road as time revealed, he was living a double life.

(SNICKERS) It was another woman in the neighborhood that he had left me for. So at that time I thought it was over. So wait a minute, you all in this relationship, everything's going fine, then you come back home and Mr Lacey is gone?

No, Mr Lacey had sex with me and took off. Oh, after he had sex, he left. He had sex with me and took off.

I didn't see him for a long time after that. Wait, I thought you said he moved in. That's when me and that other guy got together.

I thought you said he moved in. Yes, he did. That was after the fact he came back and caught the guy at my house.

So, Mr Lacey, tell me what happened with this guy? Okay, Your Honor. I had to go out of town to take care of some family business for a week.

When I came back into town, I knocked on the door. (KNOCKING) And the door opened. Well, I see my pajamas.

My pajamas. Ms. Touray has on the pajama top.

That is not true. That is not true. .

. That's not true. The gentleman has on the pajama bottom.

Your pajamas? My pajamas. I didn't argue.

I didn't fuss. I didn't create no drama. I didn't fight.

I didn't do anything. I turned around. I tell my cousin, I say, "Come on, let's go.

" So we left. So do you remember this incident with the pajamas, Ms. Touray?

He is straight lying. I'm telling you, Your Honor. When he came and knocked on my door, I answered the door and.

. . And my new friend came to the door with me.

He did not. . .

He didn't have. . .

He had on his own clothes, first of all. He had on a pair of pants, he didn't have on a shirt. .

. He had on pajama pants. He didn't have on a shirt!

. . .

it was blue. But he did have his own clothes on. You had on the blue pajama top.

And I had my clothes on. Okay, so, pajamas or no pajamas, were you intimate with this guy you said is your new friend? I was intimate, yes.

But I'd just moved into town. I got my new apartment. I was feeling all grown in my apartment, doing grown stuff in my.

. . LACEY: Mmm-hmm.

You sure were. You sure were. (LAUGHING) How soon after he walks in on you and pajama man did you find out you were pregnant?

Well, I didn't find out until I went to the ob-gyn, and I. . .

At the time, he had. . .

He told me that I was like 12 to 14 weeks already into my pregnancy. Really? And he was the only man I had sex in that time frame.

'Cause I didn't know nobody else. If she was 12, 14 weeks pregnant, and we had only been together for no more than a month, how could Trevon be my child? 'Cause DNA's gonna tell you he's your child.

We wasn't. . .

We were just having sex. Well, I get that. .

. Unprotected, I guess. TOURAY: Of course.

So. . .

Rubber in hand, and peels another one. (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) (CLICKS TONGUE) It just happened that way. (SIGHS) So, how soon after that were you.

. . Did you transition to pajama guy?

About two weeks after. Yeah, maybe about two or three weeks. JUDGE LAKE: About two or three weeks?

'Cause I already had eyes on him. But I ran into Larry. (LAUGHS) And I started talking to him.

Ms. Touray, you's on Team "Too Much" back then. What?

You's on Team "Too Much" back then. You had eyes on one. .

. I was Team "Too Much. " We live and we learn.

And I'm not saying "too much" now though. . .

I'm saying you. . .

But at that time, I was. Good. Yes, good.

Good, good, good. I was in it to win it. I was new in town.

I had my own place. Yeah, you. .

. You's on Team "Too Much. " Trevon, I haven't heard from you yet.

You've been very quiet, listening to this testimony. And I know some of it's probably difficult, son. Do you have something you'd like to say to the court?

Um, yes, I wanna start off by. . .

By saying my mom, you know, she was an excellent mother. She raised three boys by herself, um, all at different ages. So I wanna give her, you know, kudos for that.

You know, I believe I done turned out okay. Um. .

. I have. .

. (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) Um. .

. I also wanna go on and say that, you know. .

. Larry's absence in my life, it definitely affected me in a negative way. Growing up, it was tough.

You know, I started having sex at a young age. I just wish if I had a father there, he could have pointed me in the right direction. Um.

. . Talk to Mr Lacey about, specifically, how this affected you growing up not having him in your life.

Larry, I believe, you know, growing up with my mom, you know, there's a lot of things that I wish you could have been there with, you know, as far as her having to be my father as well as my mother. I feel like, if you were there, it was a lot of, you know, heartache and headaches that I could have avoided. Um, as far as my children, which I believe are your grandchildren, they have a right to know who their grandfather is.

True. You know, so. .

. (STUTTERS) I wanna let you know that, and, uh, I'm just ready to get these results so we can move forward in our lives. When you hear that, Mr Lacey, how do you feel?

It makes me feel good and it also makes me feel a little sad. You know, because during the times that I wanted to be in Trevon's life, Khadija didn't want me around. I never had hatred towards Khadija for what she done.

Only thing I disagreed with Ms. Touray on was not allowing me to be close as I wanted to be. Ms.

Touray, did you keep Mr Lacey away from the boy? Absolutely not. LACEY: A lot of times, due to the relationships she was in.

. . Absolutely not.

(STAMMERS) . . .

and the things she was doing in her life. No, I think, the whole thing in a nutshell, he's just trying to get out of child support payment. LACEY: Now.

. . Now.

. . Well, I mean, he done paid it now, so.

. . That's right.

So. . .

So. . .

TOURAY: Is that true? He's not getting that money back. So that's not a motive right now.

That's. . .

That's. . .

He probably doesn't know that though. That's irrelevant. When we started the case, it was.

. . Your testimony, you believe he is Trevon's biological father.

But through the testimony, it has been revealed to me that you acknowledge and recognize that there is a real doubt and reason behind that doubt. Because you engaged in sexual activity with another person. Right.

Is this the first time you were honest with Trevon about the fact that you really do understand and you say, "Yes," Trevon, you. . .

Yes. This is the first time in court today that you've heard your mother acknowledge that there really could be a doubt as to whether or not Mr Lacey. .

. And it's also the first time I heard this. He is lying.

JUDGE LAKE: So when. . .

Wait. . .

When Ms. Touray came from the doctor, and she told me that she was pregnant, I asked her. I say, "Is it mine, "or is it the other guy's?

" She told me. . .

She say, "It's yours. " So I rolled with the punches. And these are how paternity secrets, they affect the individual.

We're gonna go to the results in just a moment. But, Trevon, I think it's important today for you to share with your mom and your, the man you believe is your dad. What's going through your mind right now, now that you have the whole story?

Right. Um. .

. I have three children of my own. Um, because of what I went through, growing up as a kid as far as not having a father, uh, I have vowed to always be in my children's life.

If the results come out, that he is my father, now I want him in my life. I want him in my children's life. You know, we deserve that.

And if he isn't, then, you know, we have to move on and find out who is. If, in fact, he is not your biological father, do you wanna seek out this other man? Definitely.

JUDGE LAKE: You do? Definitely. My children deserve to know who their grandfather is.

JUDGE LAKE: Yes, they do. Mom, do you know where this other man is? I have no idea where he is.

But, um. . .

He's aware that I was pregnant. And Larry came back, and all that. JUDGE LAKE: Okay.

And he's given me pictures, you know, just in case the situation came out where the DNA says he is the father. He would be interested in getting back into my son's life. You didn't know any of that was going on, did you?

No, ma'am. Well, I'm sorry for that, son. I should have told you.

I'm ready for the results, Jerome. These results were prepared by DNA Diagnostics and they read as follows. In the case of Touray v.

Lacey, when it comes to 25-year-old Trevon Lacey, it has been determined by this court. . .

Mr Lacey, you. . .

Are the father. TOURAY: Thank you, Your Honor. TREVON: Yes!

TOURAY: I told you! I told you! Now stand up, give my son his respect.

Give him his. . .

Give him his father. Hug your daddy. How does it feel, Trevon?

Um, it's exhilarating. I wanna thank you for bringing out these results and, you know, hopefully that we can move forward with our lives. I have nothing to say.

(AUDIENCE EXCLAIMING) Cold as ice. You talked this whole case. Why?

I'll contact Trevon at a later date and I'll discuss with him, make plans to get together or whatever. But at this moment I just have nothing much to say. (AUDIENCE GROANING) Look, this is what paternity secrets do.

They rob people of their joy. They rob people of their family. He just got robbed of another moment.

And I don't like it! And you know why he got robbed? 'Cause of that chapter you left out.

You're right. We're in Paternity Court but some days it's maternity court, too. Because it is both parents.

. . (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) That cause these children to go without and to be robbed.

It bugs me that when I said you are the father, that you stood still like that and never looked over at your son. That bugs me. I.

. . (STAMMERS) I'm upset!

I don't have nothing to say to him at the moment. You don't have anything to say to your son? Not at the moment.

So what I wanna say to you is this. What you feel like is Ms. Touray lied and you feel like she manipulated, and you feel like you're a victim, because you feel like she manipulated this whole saga, moved away, you lost contact.

LACEY: That's not it. All of this, you made yourself into a victim. I'm not a victim.

That's how you're standing there looking like. I am not a victim. I know what you're doing.

But I will say this to you, you also, you may not be a victim, but in this moment, you're not a man or father in my eyes. And with that said, court is adjourned. LACEY: Thank you.

You go ahead with your sorry self.