Errol Musk, Father of Elon Musk, Tells His Life Story (Full Interview)

All right here we go today we have Errol musk father of Elon Musk who's currently the richest man in the world with a net worth of $427 billion which is almost half a trillion dollars welcome to Vlad TV well thank you thank you very much well I want to get into your whole story but before I do your son Elon has been in the news recently because when he was at the inauguration he made a salute which looked kind of like a Nazi Hitler salute did you see that you know I had people send me

the photograph what did you think when you saw that well it's nonsense you know I mean obviously it's not a just a air pump what do you call it a a sort of a victory wave you know they air pumping you know nothing nothing like that I mean you know that's ridiculous you know well the reason why people are referencing it is because uh back in 2023 Elon actually responded to a tweet you know what I'm talking about no well there was a tweet that someone put up that said Jewish communities have been pushing the

exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites they claim to want people to stop using against them I'm deeply disinterested in giving the tiniest [ __ ] now about Western Jewish populations coming to disturbing realization the hordes of minorities that support flooding their country Don't exactly like them too much you want the truth set it to your face there it is and then Elon actually responded to that tweet and said you have said the actual truth well you know uh what was he saying he's saying it's a good thing or a bad thing to have people

coming into your country or what do your problem well it was it was two two different parts so the first thing is saying that Jewish communities push a hatred against Whites that they claim that they want people to stop doing to them that's the first part I haven't seen that I seen that and the second one is I'm deeply disinterested and giving the tiniest [ __ ] about how Western Jewish populations coming to the disturbing realization that the [ __ ] of minorities that support flooding their country don't exactly like them too much so I

guess they're saying that the immigrants that are coming into These countries don't like Jewish people either that's the the gist of it and then elon's response he he you know tweeted a response that said you have said the actual truth you know I I can't imagine what he means or even what your statement means first of all the Jewish people are so heavily integrated into Western Society uh you know 50% of my friends are Jewish um I'm about one eight Jewish or something because my mother's grandfather was a Jewish guy uh Elon that for that

matter then would be also a little bit but you know we favor the Jewish people very much so I can't we love them I mean they such smart people how can they how can you not favor them but um yeah no I I can't understand what that means and I certainly can't imagine that people coming into a country particularly isolate one group of people like let's say the Jews or something and don't like them it's conceivable it's conceivable Because if many of the people coming in let's say are the from the Muslim World well there's

a sort of you know you sort of brought up in the Muslim world to be at odds with the Jewish people conceivably I don't I can't say for sure on the other hand I've just been spent two weeks in Dubai with the shake of Dubai as a guest of his and uh I mean these are the finest people you could ever imagine and not the slightest kind of you know dislike for anyone they're Very proud people in their own right so I think it's just nonsense I tell nonsense yeah I mean these things are blown

out of proportion sometimes and sometimes you respond to tweets you don't fully understand the context of them I think that's what Elon ultimately said he said he doesn't really understand anti-Semitism that much and I think he actually visited a holocaust museum at one point shortly afterwards so you know it is what it is yes no he's Been to uh you know Israel look I mean I don't like to uh like just show interest in the I I do care about the Jewish people and Israel obviously it's part of the judeo Christian world at the same

time I also am very fond of people I've met in the well they're like in Cairo and and in Egypt and to me they are just as important I've never been to Gaza but I think those people should get as Fair a shake as possible I don't think it's just one-sided story on the other hand You know what these so-called terrorist organizations try to do is is you know borders on Way Beyond in Insanity so you know at the end of the day um we're all people we're all trying to get along with each other

and I think that's what Elon would say as well you know we all need to see the best in each other what else yeah I agree I'm Jewish myself and my entire life Israel has been at War you know with various organizations surrounding them and uh I just hope at Some point it'll all be over and that could be some peace in the Middle East yes of course I mean uh everybody in the Judea Christian world you know is very concerned about Israel you know I I subscribe to the fact that Israel has you know

been there to half th000 or 3,000 years ago is Israel you know I mean let's face it you know you can't say now you know that's not where they should be I mean that's nonsense I mean obviously Israel is Israel it's been Through the through the difficult most difficult times imaginable I think it's very good what we've got today but I do think that someh orow other we have to like uh you know give the is it you know I read a while back that the Palestinians at one point meant people of Jewish and Arab

Faith who lived in that area you know so Palestinians were people that's like in 100 years ago and um you know those was called the Palestinians they grouped the Muslims or Rather the Arabs and the uh Jewish people together so today we talk about the Palestinians as being like purely the Arab element but I I think they if somehow we can give them a fair Shake I I hate to read about these Hamas I actually had a telephone call from maras a while back I must to tell you but at any rate I uh wait

wait wait wait you had a telephone call from someone from Hamas yes it was quite a long time how go uh It was in uh after the uh after the uh incredible atrocities that took place in October the 7th on October the 7th I think um a while after that I'm not too sure how far maybe already in the next year I'm not sure uh they wanted stalling so I got a message from them because they said they can't contact Elon and they need starlink in Gaza so I said all right well I'll I'll forward

their request to Elon and then subsequently sink was enabled in Gaza With the idea that it with the provide Proviso that it um deals it's only for humanitarian purposes soal you know and yeah so I did have you know they're just people I mean just other people they're not uh it's not Superman and Spider-Man you know so now that we got that out of the way I want to get into your story so you're born in South Africa yes so I'm born in South Africa elon's born in South Africa yeah now when you were a

child apartheid Was still a thing yes from your point of view how would you describe it well you know we aparte was something that you know South Africa inherited from the European powers that occupied Africa you up until about this sort of starting in the 60s they started to sort of get rid of Africa so everywhere in Africa up until about you know 65 or so you know was a part8 so if you went to uh any country which I did uh you know rodesia in those days Northern rodesia the Congo there was it was

all a part8 everywhere was a part8 it's just that South Africa put a label on it in 1948 calling it a part A but we we inherited this from the in South Africa we inherited it from the British occupier or the British uh um government that we had here for nearly um at the time nearly 200 years so um I don't know if you know for example um people of color were not allowed into Holland uh at all although Holland had Many um uh places in the world like you know bavia in the East and

all that sort of stuff colored people were not allowed into Holland it was against the law so even we had a colored uh governor in the cape when the Dutch were running uh South Africa that's before the British called Simon fondell he was a he was a molat colored he wasn't allowed he was the governor of the cape and he was very famous guy he was never allowed into Holland so these are things we inherited And unfortunately it took time to get rid of these type of things and you know um ingrain uh beliefs you

know had to be put aside took time and today we in South Africa we actually have a situation today in South Africa where you know it's like the best that's ever been we don't have any kind of racism I've never seen racism in fact I'd give you I give you $100 if you can show me even more if you could show me a racist incident in South Africa doesn't Exist well you actually remember when Mandela got locked up yes I do I was at M Mandela's trial in 1963 when I was in finally uh school

I was I went on my bicycle to I was interested in that kind of thing and he was on trial at the synagogue oddly enough in the main street in Petoria the capital city he was on trial for murder you know the murdering of women and children and he was uh sentence to death and then the uh sentence was commuted Which resulted in people literally crying and weeping in the street because they wanted him hanged because of the terrible things that he had done but it's thank God they didn't hang him I mean I don't

believe in that kind of thing and he went on to become a very inspirational leader I mean if I were to tell you in 1963 that Mandela is going to go to prison for 27 years and then get out then become the first black president of South Africa what would you say to me well I wouldn't have said that in the street at the time because you would have probably had upset people very much because they would have thought you off your head but I've said recently you know about this chap Tommy Robinson I said

on British television that he's similar to to uh in the respect some respects to Mandela because they've jailed him in solitary confinement for 18 months because he uh is pointing Fingers at the gang rape gangs in England it's also a political prisoner and I said on the television Tommy Robinson is very likely one of your future Prime Ministers same sort of thing and I equated it to the situation with Mandela I mean who would have thought but in the end you know Common Sense prevails and Mandela was a a fantastic influence I unfortunately I saw

him I saw him at the inauguration I've never actually met him but when he Was inaugurated as president but I never actually met him um but he was a tremendously good influence on South Africa okay so you're living in South Africa you graduate high school and you go to college at the University of Petoria I went to University of vit vron oh Vitz and then I subsequently went to ptor University okay got it got it now your first wife may you knew her since high school I knew her since Primary school I met her I

I bumped into at Primary School when she was about 10 years of age I was 12 I just come back from England we'd lived in England for 2 years with my mom my brother and I met her at the school uh was sort of bumped into at that primary school I was with her right through high school I went out with most of her friends I never went out with her but towards the end of the high school I started dating her and we got on very Well and then in 1970 you guys got married

we dated for 6 years and then we got married yes and on June 28th 1971 same birthday as me by the way oh really yeah we me and Elon I share the same birthday Elon Musk was born yes N9 months and 2 days after the uh wedding pretty weird mhm now during that time you guys were fairly well off financially no well look I started off absolutely at the bottom bottom of the Barrel I had absolutely nothing uh when I left you University I uh had had seven scholarships but I'd still borrowed some money uh

not a lot but I had to you know find a way to pay it back I I was fortunate enough to be employed by a firm of Consulting Engineers from England and um I was obviously just a junior electrical engineer with him and um at that time I was about 23 and um uh this firm very famous firm they were also doing the um This the Opera House in in in in Sydney so the these were Big Shots you know they were from Preston or PR Preston in England anyway they they were they treated South

Africa as a sort of second rate place which was pretty normal I mean the English people the England England you know officers officials who came to see us so was treated as a second class you know sort of second class people and um anyway they they messed up work they were doing that They'd be granted by the South African government they treated it totally without interest and they were actually given marching orders and told you know that either they they leave the leave the country as as or they're going to be taken to court by

the government here so they closed their office and um an older man you know he was about 10 15 years older me he came to me and he said look uh cuz I'd like this kind of work and he said why don't he and I take over this Practice so I said well you know know really and then he said yes so we we got together we found a way to do it because cost us at the time in today's money you know it cost us about $112,000 but in today that was in 1972 it

was a lot of money you know you could buy uh could buy a lot of things with $1,000 in 1972 and that's what we had to pay for the library and uh so you can add a couple of norts behind that you know and Uh anyway we um we went on and uh I really got into this I found it was work that I did very well and after a while the older man said he couldn't take the stress of not knowing when they're going to be paid we get we are going to be paid

because you didn't get pay on a regular basis and he asked if he could leave so I said all right so he left and I continued in the practice so within 2 years I I bought my first Airplane and um you know um all that sort of thing I was able to marry may I took on Hol on on honeymoon to Europe I I was really doing well I was able to marry her for the first time because I was earning a lot of money uh as a Consulting engineer and it just got more and

more so you know within a within a about four five years I actually bought the home of the uh I bought one of the five finest homes in the city and that home today is home to the European Ambassador to South Africa it was a little while ago it was also the headquarters of the United Nations for the southern hemisphere so that home I bought when I was about 26 27 and so it gives you some idea that are doing pretty well and um yeah really well bit like Elon you know but in a smaller

way so you were married for 10 years and in 1980 you got divorced that's right from your point of view what caused the divorce well you know we were at the Time on the as it happened on the top of the social Financial political I had become a city council of the capital city as an English speaking person the only English speaking person on the council in fact for for about 50 40 years or something I was always the one who was uh in the news because they could never get comments from these Africans or

South African Dutch people counselors and so we were at the top of the social Political you know and financial I suppose you know we really had everything that you could buy at that point and of course people get a little blaz as they go along take things for granted and I imagine that's what happened I I really have no real clue I was in in Cape Town at the time I wanted to have a house in every city in South Africa so I had a bush farm and I had the house in Toro the house

in Natal the house in platenburg but I wanted a house In Cape Town sort of sort of like we could move around to these different houses and and I was in Cape Town with my two sons and uh Elon and Kimbell and I then I got this notice of that she wants to be divorced so I agreed and we actually because I was very connected at that time with the judges and everybody I I had them put the instead of in six months or something I had them put the divorce onto the role on the

following week so we were on the role in the Following week and officially divorced the following week one week well your ex-wife may she wrote a book yeah the book's rubbish in the book she she you're abusive she said at one point you pulled a knife on her and you she had to run to her neighbor's house to to run away from you and the knife you know what I'm talking about though no no um I uh I saw this first of all let me say that we've been divorced for 44 years and uh we've

been to many functions together we even lived in La for 2 years um near her or rather not near her but she was often in La so we had lots of thanksgivings and stuff like that together and nothing of the kind was ever mentioned uh about 4 years ago I would say she started coming up with this kind of thing so it was mentioned to me I I never bought her book and it was mentioned to me by people and uh and particularly one was a reference that Was made about my daughter saying something so

I sent a note to my daughter what is this about and my daughter said no it's just the media that's doing this so then I wrote a letter to my daughter I said please ask your mother why she's saying these things if she's saying these things because I don't understand and uh why she did it because we never had any problems and um of that kind and I never got a reply but my daughter replied Again and said Dad don't worry it's just the media the thing is you know um I don't know it really

temp attempts to trash me you know but it doesn't work it hasn't worked and so I don't know what the reason is I mean I have no idea you know women or woman but um I did then do something else I got a hold of a per my partner in in well he wasn't a partner in my engineering practice about halfway through uh about mid 70s I started doing property development in other words Where you buy land and you you you put up the you point point all the people and you you put it up

you know the building and all that so I had a partner to do that with he lives in he's been living in Atlanta for the last 40 years and um for 5 years him and I did this work uh before he uh five or six years before he decided to take the money we made and immigrate to America Irving Jacobson was his name is his name and recently or a while back I said to him You know this is what may is saying because he was with us every single day May used to come to

work with not to work with me but she would come to my office every day and so with with Irving and me we would go out to lunch every more or less nearly every day and and so on so I asked Irving for his opinion so he wrote a letter to my son my children Elon kimsa and uh I haven't I can read you the letter if if I have a moment but he he said that in all the time that he Was with us which was in in our professional capacity and also in our

social capacity cuz we often went out together as a foram with his wife um he never saw anything of anything abusive anything um ugly of any kind whatsoever I forget his exact words in fact he said quite the opposite he said May wanted to be with me in everything that I did so that completely you know just throws this whole thing out the window and um I send it to my children and um Yeah I I can't explain woman you know but it's totally untrue what she's saying totally you know and this Isaacson put it

in this book of his it's a junk book that it's not worth reading not only the stuff on me the rest of the book's full of faults and errors it's not accurate well yeah they say Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned I never I never scorned her you know people said to me f enough people Said to me woman said to me um you know why she's upset I said I don't know why why she said she wanted you to fight for her and not just grant her a onewe divorce I said really

I thought you wanted a divor no you should have fought and cried and and and fought for her and everything you didn't do that and instead you just went and got the divorce I said oh well I haven't thought of that before it's Ridiculous so after the divorce Elon lived with you initially uh yes she left me with the two boys we had two comp complete homes running with servants at the time so we had two setups so servants in one home thought we lived there and the servants in the other Home thought we live

there so she went to our other home which is about 400 mil away in Nel and um she moved there when when we split up she took my daughter and my son stayed with me and then after few Months she came to me and said she misses the boys and so I said well you know uh against my family's wishes my mother said I shouldn't do it but I also felt that in the type of work I was doing I you know always had to be all over the country and I was often flying private

my own private Trin engine airplane away to places with very little contact with uh where I was where I was from we didn't have cell phones in those days and so um I would have to get other People to take care of my sons and they were quite small still you know 8 and s n and 8 sort of thing so I I decided yeah now let them rather going to be with her so uh you know so I said okay that's fine so they she went to they went to stay with her and about

10 months later although I saw them in the holidays when the school holidays came they came up again to me because I bought a horse stud in uh near Johannesburg and it was fun there and They could ride their motorbikes that I'd bought them and U and so on and um I uh they came up all the time and then Elon came about 10 months later I just got a note on my desk saying Elon will be on the overnight train from Durban which is 400 mil away sending a 9-year-old on a on a on

a train overnight not a very good idea but anyway the next morning I went to the I don't know who left me the note but I went to the train station and there he Was and so he continued with me and um contrary to what he has said I think you know friends in the second book written about Elon called risking it all the author interviews a number of elon's friends of that time and in this book uh this author uh Michael fmas uh says how the friends described how happy Elon was and how happy

they all were because with the horses that we had the motorbikes and all the things we had on the you know the this uh Farm as We called it um you know the boys would come for weekends the friends his friends would come for weekends and they would have really a very good time because there was only me and nobody to tell them they can't have what they want so they you know it was burgers and steaks Galore and you know you name on weekends for that was the easiest way for me to deal with

them you know well there was a story you told When Elon was nine you took him to a party and the host got up and threw towels at everyone said we're all getting naked we're all jumping in the pool yes you know um uh I I got this invitation from a very well-known South South AFC Johannesburg businessman who was very wealthy man and he he invited he was sort of guy if he invited you you couldn't like so I'm not coming but anyway he invited me to a meal in a week on a week in

the evening and I said to Him look I've got my son to pick up from school so Elon was alone with me at the time saying before Kimble came and um cuz Kimble came shortly after after Elon um I said I have bring him I can't bring anybody so I took El on to this party and it was lavish as usual and the the the in thing at the time was uh jacuzzi and uh he he you know it was like a craze that everybody had a had to have one of these things and he'd

had one put into his giant house and um after the Meal he threw towels at everybody and said okay it's jacuzzi time you see so uh you know there were probably about 10 12 people people I'm not sure how many including me and Elon and um I saw it was what happened I I of course steered Elon who was not interested at all and took him to the this chap had a fantastic Library you know real library in his own home and with a sliding ladder you know the works and um put Elon in the

library and uh you know Promptly then I went off to the uh jacuzzi party and promply everyone men and women you know stripped naked and jumped into the this giant jacuzzi and um yeah so it was kind of funny you know if you know what I mean it was unusual but it was it was it's difficult to say you know if people are very prudish but it was good fun there was nothing ugly you know nothing ugly took place so um it was a bit odd though for the Time well when Elon was 10 he

started getting into computers uh 11 and 10 years 10 11 10 okay and about a year or two later he actually made his first game called Blaster that's right and he actually sold it yes for $500 uh yeah actually um in in today's money i' call say we sold it for about we sold it for about we got at the time what we got and what we would it be worth today more like $1,400 we would have got in today's Money so um you know they gave him a good price for it I would say

and uh yeah no I he was into the early computers like some of his friends but Elon took it took them very seriously like Atari Vic Commodore Vic 20 Commodore you know that sort of thing they they these little sort of playplay computers came out and then um when he was about when he was 11 in fact um he Elon came to me he was tiny little fellow he only grew taller later and and He said to me he showed me an advert he'd seen in the Sunday Times which is the local Sunday newspaper and

it was a large advert and it spoke about teaching people how to use computers now I had done a course in fortron and Cobalt programming on the IBM 360 shortly after I left University so I was fortron and Cobalt certified by IBM so I knew what it was we used Punch Cards of course so anyway um the IBM of Course 360 was full entire house it's such a big computer but at anyway the new computer was coming out and by IBM and this advert said that people they are advertising a course that they're going to

be giving over a period of probably 6 months or something at the University of the vorr which was our Premier University at the time um people are coming from overseas England and they're going to give this course it was under the orices orices of our biggest Uh retailer at the time it's called the hyperama like hypermarkets you know and um and it was $1,500 R $1,500 ran the dollar was the same at the time so it was $1,500 which is in today's money you know probably about $9,000 or something if not more and uh so

I said whoa you know I don't know so you know said no he really has to see this he has to go you know I found them immediately said no no children no they're not taking any children he was only 11 so I pleaded With him and I fortunately I was able to turn to him and say sorry they don't take children anyway he was very upset and then another ad came out in which uh they advertised an introductory lecture for $75 now that's $75 in 1972 1982 so a lot of money you can say

in today's money anyway so it's $1,000 let's say today's money he said can't he go to this so I called them and they Said no and then eventually I pleaded with him they said right he can come to the introductory lecture uh but he has to wear a jacket and tie and and that was no problem and long pants he has to look right and he he actually sit on the side of this huge uh lecture hall and um so on on the due date I took him El Kim had already arrived and I took

Elon to the we took Elon to this uh lecture and and um um we dropped him off it was a 2hour lecture and after the 2 hours we Came back everybody came streaming out and uh and but no Elon so we went I went into the into the lecture Halls which I used to know quite well obviously and then I found Elon I look down in this letol that sort of goes down and there at the bottom was Elon with his jacket off his white sleeves of his shirt rolled up and his tie off talking

to some tall men down at the I went down to the bottom and as I approached them the the tallest one as I Recall with a beard and glasses and he said turned to me and said this boy has to get one of these computers my first reaction as a South African man was how much do they cost you know and uh and um then the head of the hyper arm was there because I knew him because I'd been designing one of the two of the hyper armas so he he said to me Erol uh

he was a British guy he said to meol don't worry it's very expensive but We'll give you a discount so anyway we bought this thing it cost $7,800 I got a discount of $400 and uh so it cost me about 74 $7,400 was the IBM XTA with a mouse with a printer with a PC keyboard the works it was actually a a real you know PC and on this thing he taught himself to program it was do or or or Disk Operating System so for anyone who didn't know what it was you couldn't really use

it it it's not wasn't usable To the average person you know but he taught himself to program on this thing and after a while he could really write a program on anything I wanted so I could describe a situation to him and he would write up a program and um a while after that he he did this he called me to the screen and showed me this blastar game and where something comes down and you can direct like bullets at it and things like that and you can shoot them and then I said that's that's

really Cool and you know the sort of thing you get on a video video arcade uh later on and so I sent it to PC Magazine and they said can they they'd like to publish it and um they uh would pay him for it and so he received the equivalent of about let's say $1,500 in today's money and um yeah and I kept it for many years he forg forgot all about it I actually sent it to him all the the page from the from the magazine I sent it to him about four or five

years ago saying do you remember This and because I'd kept it myself all the years he'd sort of forgotten about it and uh and and that's what brought it to the for so that people started seeing this this program you know and um you could actually use the program you could put you could enter it into your computer and you could use it yeah well in 2021 Elon hosted Saturday Night Live and he mentioned that he has Aspergers which is is a type of autism yeah uh were you aware of this at all and has

he Actually been diagnosed with aspergers or this is just a self diagnosis well you know I don't know if if he had some sort of diagnosis but as a a young boy it's not only him it's me and my brother couple of the people in the family are a bit like that once we focus on something it's difficult to get our attention and so um we sort of cut the world out he was very much like that and um in when he was in grade two uh I think he also called it grade two when

He was in grade two he was about eight or something seven seven years or eight years old um the uh the the Headmaster of the school phone me and said he needs to see me so I realized oh boy it's about Elon Elon had this Knack of telling older people who queried anything he was doing cuz he would often read books that were very thick and adults might say to him you know what are you reading that all don't you look at the pictures or something then you'd Say to the adult well no of course

not stupid I read this book you know he was I sort of discipline discipline him a bit on that kind of thing anyway um I thought oh my God he's told the teacher the teacher's stupid or something so I went to the school you know with trepidation and when I went into the headmaster's office there was this uh older lady I think she was obviously the teacher ringing her hands you know and and and uh looking terribly unhappy and The Headmaster was a very good man and I sat down I said what what is the

problem and he said to me uh it was course 19 what year would that have been about 19 uh 7079 or somewhere there or something that I mean they didn't mince words in those days he they said to me uh he said to me your son is [ __ ] we think your son is [ __ ] so I thought oh wow I was glad he wasn't saying something else anyway um of course I knew Elon wasn't [ __ ] So I said well why why do you say that and they said well and then

the teacher took over and she said well yesterday again he sits and stares out of the window while everybody's taking note in the class the other kids taken out he sits and stares out of the window a very leafy suburb that we lived in and um and and I and she said nothing she does gets his attention and she actually went up to him as she explained and she would pushed him on the shoulder before he Jump around and and look at her and and then he said she said what he asked him why what

are you doing and he said look the trees are getting green or you know all getting leaves or something to that effect so I thought well that's a reasonable I didn't see anything wrong with that but but um they figured he's there something wrong with him and of course that ties in with a certain amount of I suppose you could call it a sort of autism um and uh you Know today for example with Elon even today it's quite a handy thing it's very difficult to actually upset Elon because you can often say something to

him which is rude and it just bounces off him he doesn't even listen he doesn't doesn't penetrate you know it's a sort of Handy trick to have anyway the thing is um what I did was I I went back I said at that meeting with the Headmaster I wasn't sure what to say and then finally we were all uh wondering what are we Going to do and then the Headmaster said perhaps you can't hear properly so we we we all jumped on that I jumped on that oh yes yes I'll take you for hearing test

the next day which I did and of course there's nothing wrong with this hearing and I moved into another school a private school uh that was a government school I which was a very good government school but I moved him to a private school we never had any more problems But he is someone that would probably qualify for a certain amount of uh an inability to or rather the other way around that once he gets focused on something you don't easily get him distracted if if you know what I mean he he he will focus

on that to the point of cutting you out or anything around him out and that's true I didn't even know what Asbergers was when I heard about this I looked it up and said something about focusing intensely on a Subject or something like that well when Elon was in high school there was a situation where he got into an argument with one of the kids and I guess the the kid's father had just committed suicide that's right and I guess Elon had called him stupid or something of that sort and the kid pushed him down

some concrete stairs and I guess him and the kid and his friends ended up beating up Elon pretty badly that's right now was he hospitalized for uh From yes he was very severely injured um uh it was only the little kid the little kid was a tough little guy I suppose you could say I would say tough but I mean he wasn't a thin he was a stocky little bloke a chap he um he was the only one who who took a log or something and saw it hitting elon's head with it or something and

at the bottom cuz Elon was basically knocked out from falling down these Concrete stairs and and um you know he pushed Elon when Elon wasn't looking and so Elon was in hospital for 10 days and uh the thing is again Elon when this kid's kid was obviously totally traumatized about his father as a I only heard this from the Headmaster of the school and um the Headmaster told me the kid was terribly traumatized and Elon had said when it had been mentioned I suppose at the school that your father was stupid which is reasonable in

under Certain circumstances to say but certainly not under those circumstances I mean his father was probably did make shouldn't have done that but you know anyway the thing is under the circumstances I went to the police and everything I wanted uh I wanted some sort of Reckoning but when I saw the situation and when I saw the little boy that had done this who was who never stopped weeping all the time I saw him I realized there's nothing we can do here And so I dropped it and I um decided to move to another city

I had to move to another city uh Petoria we were in Johannesburg or santon at that time so I moved to another I bought a home in another city kept the home in santon I had to buy another home uh to take Elon to a school like uh that would work for him called Petoria boy high and after that there were absolutely no problems at all and the Headmaster of that school when this bullying stuff came out wrote A is saying there's no such thing um they don't allow bullying at that school but on the

other hand boys teasing and and fighting with each other that's something totally different you know and you'll never get that out of out of boys so you know but actual bullying where a big boy tackles a Hess little boy that I haven't se that's nonsense well the story gets a little fuzzy when he gets out of the hospital according to him he said that you Screamed at him for an hour you know he said I had to stand for an hour as my father yelled at me called me an idiot and told me that I

was just worthless no no obviously that's not true that maybe his interpretation or something no no no no um obviously I'm his father you know I'm concerned about him I'm concerned about what happens to him in the future what happens to him now uh when I see the situation I'm not I'm not a coddler I'm not going to coddle him I'm going to Say what have you what happened here he tells me what happened I say you know I have to teach him my job is to teach and so I wouldn't have said to him

he's an idiot that's ridiculous I mean that's absolutely stupid I would never have done that but I would have said to him you shouldn't have done what you did and uh this is not right you have to you have to be careful with with people you can't you know in in today's world I can imagine in today's world it's so rough Here in South Africa that uh you know my lady friend here was attacked by a man with a knife 4 days ago where we live you know with a knife in her side this is

this is here just 4 days ago this is a rough place and I said you know sometimes you might say to somebody that they're stupid or or swear at them or raise your fot at them might just put a knife in you you know so you know people are you know uh with the breakdown of sort of Law and Order in the world I Mean you have to be careful anyway the point point is at the time I would certainly not have done that I would have been I was shocked of course and he had

10 days of recuperation where we visited him every day there wasn't a possibility of saying things anything to him in the beginning eventually when he got home I would no doubt have said to him look you have to be careful with these kind of things that you're saying you can't do that you know and oddly Enough even in America in the last few years or since the beginning I've I've cringed when Elon has called people douchebags you know I mean in this country uh if you uh call somebody a douchebag uh it's very very likely

if you to his face that he's going to plant five fingers in your nose you follow him me and you're not going to look the same afterwards so that's South Africa I don't know what it Is there and in this country that's called retribution the police will walk away from it because when you tell the police this man called me a douchebag or something like that you're fully entitled to return that with a punch in the nose and um so um yeah you have to be careful what you say recently Elon made another uh terrible

thing to say that he will not let anybody stop the H1B V uh visas he will [ __ ] them in the face what the hell you can't talk Like that who talks like that that's crazy talk so he's still a little childish I remember that tweet he was actually quoting a line that Tom Cruz said in Tropic Thunder oh all right then fair enough it's it's like one of these kind of geeky movie references basically okay all right fine yeah Tom Cruz was like yelling like I'll [ __ ] you in your [ __

] face and something like that so Elon was quoting that but see come about You know I don't think that's language that should be used by a person who's even in the remote level of authority so I don't agree with that and U so and if you do that kind of thing and you do that to people's face you must expect the consequences you must expect the consequences well yeah I remember uh watching an interview with your other son Kimble and he was saying that around this time in South Africa it was Extremely dangerous he

was saying how some of the the the black groups were sort of at war with each other where he was like I think on a train or a bus and one just walked up to another and just stabbed him I think in the head to the point where blood just squirted all over the floor and he said he still remembers how sticky the blood was as he was trying to walk off the train so it was you know when you talk about how violent it was I don't think people really Realize how violent it really

was in South Africa during that era yes yes you know there are 11 different groups of blacks people in South Africa and so when South Africa was under a partti and they were starting to and during the time that Elon and Kimble would have been young young men youths at that time these groups were were at odds with each other they didn't all agree on uh you know they weren't one voice against let's say the white uh government they Were they were at odds with each other you know a lot I mean they they had

been for centuries uh foes so for example the Zulus and the kosas are are like what you call Total foes they they're not to the day I mean uh if you go to the parties in this country the political parties the MK is all Zulus and thec is all kusas and so it goes you know so kusas are the biggest group and so you've got these different groups and that would have been I wouldn't call it Normal but we did have a lot of that kind of thing you know as I say 4 days ago

a black man put a knife in the side of my the lady in my life she's 37 as she got into her car a 10-in knife was pressed into her side demanding her Goods her things she actually fought back which was really stupid and and it was severely cut to know she's got her arm in bandages at the moment but they managed to get away with all those things so anyway there were two of them You I mean around that time it seemed like the world was really against the apartheid in South Africa I remember

there was a song called Sun City that came out you know what I'm talking about right where it was just a bunch of big artists that basically were saying we're not going to play at this big uh I guess uh Event Center called Sun City in South Africa because of the aparti and that's when I first started noticing how you know what was really going on over there Like from your point of view did you feel like AAR tide was going to actually survive or was it kind of on its way out during this time

well yes your first point uh I went to Sun City a lot and uh at least every month an international star came so I can tell you I saw all of them nearly all of them Frank cetra an Margaret Lisa Manelli um uh Queen Rod Stewart uh Julio glaus I mean just lists goes on and on there didn't seem to be Any hesitation to come and perform its Sun City so I'm not sure about that uh some people may have objected I don't know did you feel I mean at the point where there's now hit

songs about apartheid in South Africa did you feel like a partti was going to survive for the next few decades okay in 1976 we had riots in South Africa which would later termed the soo riots where African children in their thousands apparently or Hundreds uh refused to be taught said they don't want to be taught in the Africans language the Dutch language they wanted to be taught in English and these rights resulted in injuries and one I think child was killed Hector Peters and the day is actually named after him now the the day annually

to this day anyway um um I was interviewed by the CBS came to South Africa at that time and wanted to interview all the people that were uh involved in running South Africa and um one of the things they did is they went to see the Youth of the Petoria black community called mamaloi and the the youth leader there was Andrew um Andrew um masuka and he referred CBS to me and asked CBS to to come and see me CBS interviewed the ministers and the Prime Minister and the head of the Brotherhood of africanas and

all sort of thing but CBS interviewed me in my home in 1976 and they asked me the same question do you think that South Africa will continue and I said the way I see it we will continue like this at least for 25 years which would have put us at about the year 2000 I remember saying that to them and um they were they were you know they were critical of my my my observation of course they were right I was not right and um um then uh I also said you know we have gold

until another 25 years you know I was really not that Old myself I was still a youth you might say so I wasn't really too knowledgeable but anyway the thing is it all really came down much sooner than that and um but as the 80s progressed in 1985 the Prime Minister the president he become the president they changed the name from prime minister to president who I know I knew him quite well the president um PW BHA and he he made a speech in which he um said that South Africa will never have a black

government ever and this Was in response to much pleading from the International Community and the result of that was massive sanctions against South Africa and so from 1985 onwards the situation in South Africa became extremely difficult for people like me who were doing property development so any form of speculation in South Africa started to Just Fall to Pieces people who were who had previously worked in jobs where you know was based on future earnings and all That sort of stuff you know were just leaving the country they just had to there was no future there

was no hope in my own case my work came to a dead dead stop white people were started moving to trailer parks proper white you know decent white people to go and live in tents and trailer Parx cuz they just couldn't survive they couldn't live in their homes anymore that to rent their homes out and so on and um I remember in my case I had a very large motor a Propeller driven plane Twi engine plane called a cesna golden eagle and I decided I'll try and sell it I couldn't sell it in South Africa

so I set off to sell it in England because I was told if I can get it there if it has fully icing they'll buy it and I set off and halfway there I uh landed at Lake tanganica and I met a pal uh not a Palestinian a Panamanian company that was building roads for the Zambian government or an Airfield and roads I landed on that Airfield on the lake itself and they saw the airplane they said what are you doing I said I'm going to sell it they said they'll buy it from me and

at the same price and I was amazed and I said okay well great and um and they paid me the same price and then the next day or so they said to me if I would like to give them half the money back they'll introduce me to uh they'll help me with a supply of gemstones in this case emeralds and um and with those I was Able to uh get into that business and I managed to turn it into a uh an income producing uh business you know for the next 5 years because you I

guess that you would co-owned or owned shares in three Zambian uh Emerald mines well look they had a mine and the arrangement was that they would they started off by giving me about 118 cut emeralds these are the best emeralds in the world they are the Zambian emeralds the best color you can get sorry I'm Just doing some sales sales here sales now they're the best emeralds you can get and uh the Colombian ones are a little yellow and the other places are a little this and a little that but the Zambian ones are a

deep green and um yeah so um I the arrangement was they would provide me with uh rough uh on a regular basis after that as they as in when they nothing nothing furb it's all a handshake and uh you know that's how it Was in Africa really and uh paper Works didn't mean much and and I became very friendly I'm still very friendly with him the the main man unfortunately passed away a couple years ago but I'm still friendly with his with his wife she's in 8s now and um yeah so they sent me rough

on a you know offen on and uh then I would uh I employed a cutter in Johannesburg at the diamond uh we cut a lot of diamonds in Johannesburg in the main street so I went to see a cutter There and I started employing him to cut the stones for me and start selling them on my own like that you know and so I did this for quite a long time and I was able to really I suppose make four times as much as I would have by just selling the plane you [Music] know well

this is where the story gets a little fuzzy because Elon said that you never owned any Emerald mines well you know that sort of story Came out somehow because people were saying he didn't make himself he didn't uh he didn't uh get success on his own in America he had this big start and that's not true so the the start what we got out of the emerals I was a wholesaler now I would sell it seven times what it cost you know let's say um what the base cost would be of the ore so my

markup was quite small the but it suited me because I would sell to the upend Jewelers the upend jewers would Sell it anything from 20 to 25 times what they paid me you follow so um you know I took a stone that I sold to Tiffy in New York there were two I sold to them Elon and Kim I called took them took the stones there first but anyway uh I sold one for $800 to tiffy's they said and the other one was 12200 they said I should come we should come back and see them

mounted a few days later I went back and they showed me the $800 Stone mounted and it was in the cabinet For sale and I've often asked the average person doesn't quite get it but Jewelers will give you the right answer I said how much do you think they had they wanted for it well they wanted $21,500 for it $21,500 so that's that's different I my uh my income from the emeralds was uh sustained us it just sustained us uh through difficult times and it wasn't uh like we you know we high-end Jewelers or anything

like that we it's like anybody Who has a Diamond claim somewhere you know that doesn't mean they're just finding diamonds every day might find one a year Well Elon graduates and he first goes to the University of Petoria but then he moves to Canada yes no no he went to the University of Petoria I suggested he go to the university of Cape Town which seemed more glamorous at the time and he said to me no I took him to the University of Cape toown he had to look At it he said no he may as

well go to the university which is bicycling distance from our home in Petoria at the time and so um he started the Petoria University and the year went all right but towards the middle of that year one day we were due to go out for a meal it was a holiday uh Republic Day and we were due to go out for lunch with people and I said where Elon they said Kimel said no he's in bed I was 11:00 or so I went up and there he was lying in bed You know and so I

pulled him on his big toes I pulled him out bed and he sat on the edge of the bed and he looked terribly dejected you know and I said to him it's not working for you here uh is it you know the university and everything he was marks were good and everything he was studying economics and um I said to him as I leaned against his desk and I said to him things are not working out for you are they you're not feeling good he said no they're not Working out for me and then a

sort of something jumped into my head just like that something jumped into my head and I said would you like to go and study in the United States you see and and he just changed instantly yes you didn't even hesitate you know yes and uh and so I said right let's do that so suddenly he was energized and I was in rotary and I the one of the uh um United States consulate people was the commercial Affairs at AA and I said to him I Arranged for El to see him and get books on what

universities he could go to in America the next day and off he went that was on the 31st of May and um he came back with these all these places we saw that the most reasonable University in America was the University of Texas so we sort of focused on that one and um and so uh on the 11th of June 11 days later Elon left on a return ticket that I got for him and with some cash and we started him off uh with our with May's Uncle and Aunt in um Montreal and uh we

gave him various friends addresses and places and gave him a sort of five-stop ticket so he could go to different places and meet the people and off he went now he'd been overseas with me at least by that time oh he'd been overseas with me at least uh oh I'd say six seven eight times so he'd been to America with me me before and he'd been right through America he'd been to about 18 states with me in America before been right through Europe he'd seen most of the capital cities of the World by the time

he was probably 15 125 12 to 15 so he wasn't new to traveling and so if he went and I was happy with him I knew that he was quite capable and um so off he went and um he he phoned me we made an arrangement to phone every Thursday evening uh at a certain time we didn't have cell phones we didn't have it was all booked calls so if you wanted to make a call you had To sort of book it you know reverse charges call and um so this happened and then he told

me he's decided to um he likes Canada which is where he stopped in the first place he's going to visit other relatives and so forth and he's thinking that he might not start in the new year which was September he might just keep on having a look around first so he spent the first year looking around and actually got a job with the Bank of Nova Scotia at one point in Toronto and um you know I went through regularly to see him and and so on you know took the other kids or took Kimel with

me and uh yeah a year later he then uh enrolled at um Queens University in in Kingston in uh Canada for an economics degree right but then he transferred to the University of Pennsylvania yes after a short time he I I got a note from him he he was contact me quite regularly he said that and I went over quite Regularly taking what cash we would allow we weren't allowed to take money out of South Africa it was against the law so we what I would do is I would take someone with me and get

their maximum business allowance and we take this money my business allowance the other person's business allowance and then I'd be able to give them that cash to sort of get by on there and um to help them with and um yeah and then let me know that Wharton I'd never heard of Wharton at the time but he told me it's it's a very big important school of law business and um they they've given him a offered him a um a scholarship so I said oh well that's cool so off he went you know and the

next thing he was at Wharton so the next place I went to visit him at was actually at Wharton yeah well as he's going to Pennsylvania around that time Mandela is getting out of prison And South Africa completely changes no yes yes yes yes that's right9 no no sorry you quantron you quanton car on yeah yeah so 1990 Mandela gets out of prison and then he gets elected as the first black president of South Africa and like how massive of a change was this in South Africa well it was it was very harsh you know

um the uh the white people you know didn't have much faith in in in in black people running the country you Know and we'd also seen you know what happened to Ria you know which is today a completely defunct destroyed country that doesn't exist it's nothing doesn't it's nothing it's not an existing country has no functioning it's not a functioning country that's Ria it's the next country up and so people the white people here were terrified of what this meant and um you know um the beginning we we actually through Mandela keeping many of the

existing um Structure you know government structures in place things weren't that bad but people had no faith no no no faith in things getting better you know and um and so uh people were very very worried and everybody May and her whole family left the country everybody in her family left the country you know may uh and and and her whole family they all left the country my partner had left the country long earlier much earlier before but nearly Everybody we knew who could leave left the country and so um yeah it was not good

it was not great and um I who had been a Consulting engineer uh and and had been Consulting engineer on pipelines and transmission lines up to 188,000 vaults I was a Consulting engineer on Sun City I'd been a Consulting engineer on the biggest shopping center to I was actually one of the owners of it for owners of it in the country um I I was reduced to fixing uh Axel and drive shafts and and and greasing cars and stuff that was my job I I to I started greasing Motorcar wheels and and fixing drive shafts

and fixing boots rubber boots on drive shafts and stuff like that that's what I did me and another black man well I remember one of the things that Mandela said when he first took power was that he didn't want black people to take revenge against the white people of South Africa he wanted a society where Everyone coexisted was that actually the case though did he actually say that I mean yeah he said that well you look I I wouldn't have that would have been very bad for the black people you know uh the white people

are the white people are not [ __ ] in this country you know the white men white men in this country are serious if you understand what I mean we wouldn't have wanted something like that to happen it would have been a a terrible thing to happen you know it's Not like we would all run away you know we would it was 450 white men and women who defeated 10,000 Zulus at the Battle of blood rer and left 6,000 of them dead you know so and not one injury to a white person so no no

the the white people that's a good thing it didn't because it would have been stupid and but it was very nice thing for Mandela to to try and say to people on on the other hand um they did start going into gangs of you know blacks they start Going into white people's homes and just shooting them in their beds and you know here and there you know they came into my home on one occasion seven or eight of them and uh you know I dispatched three of them to the next World and then uh the

rest ran away but they fired 52 rounds I want to I want to go deeply into the story here since you they F 52 rounds at me I F two rounds okay so so let's go ahead and and have the setting so this was at night You're you're at home asleep in your house no no I had a home the home on the horse stud that we had I still kept it all the years and um I was renting at Art and I was living in Petoria by that stage I had a new child she

was 6 years old Alexandra she's she now lives in Texas in Austin and um I went over with her which was 6 years old to see how the house looked because a big house and I painted it out you know with some sort of white paint and stuff and um I went To see how the painters were getting on it was 5:00 or so in the evening got there the painters were about leaving and we had a look at the house we lucky put on luckily put on all the lights and um and then the

painters left and my daughter said she we used to live there for a while and my daughter said she'd like to have a bath in the main bathroom so I ran a bath for her and and then I heard heard some noise in the lounge area and I went up to the lounge this Was probably about 6 6:00 in the evening in about March so dusk not night time not daytime and uh there were a bunch of uh black men in the lounge and U my initial thought was I had an electric fence around the

property and my initial thought was how on Earth did they get through the electric fence cuz i' built that fence myself and then uh I thought maybe they want to rent so I said can I help you and the one in the lead one who had a Jacket and tie on actually raised his arm his left arm towards me and thought he wanted to shake hands or something but he immediately fired a gun at me uh you know the Sparks I just saw the sparks my way I must have I could have moved I could

have I don't know what I did but it didn't hit me it hit a glass door behind me and chattered the door and then I you realized I suppose and then all happening very quickly I ran back down to the bathroom in the main Bedroom where i' left we always carried a weapon in fact I still carry a weapon and it's a magnum so I carried a 357 Magnum and I went to the bathroom where i' put it on a shelf when I ran the bath away from my daughter grabbed a magnum and um as

they came down the passage uh they were coming down the passage I stood at the entrance the main bedroom entrance to the passage and um I took the one in front out uh you know with a bullet through the Head and and that bullet actually went into the one behind him as well and then they they ran back and then um a while later when we were like in a standoff situation uh I looked again and there was another one on his knees waiting for me to look out and as I looked out we both

shot at the same time I shot him in the groin I saw the bullet go into his grin because I was right behind the bullet and um he fired at me and it would have hit me in the middle of my uh Chest but it actually went into the frame aluminum frame of a sliding door uh that that was between me and him or or you know a folding door and um and so I would have been killed but anyway he was uh he he disappeared we were able to they' fired 52 shots the police

collected all the shells that they fired I fired from a revolver no no shells I only fired two shots and um and um um yeah the house was a wreck but my daughter and I were able to escape Through a window in the main bedroom that had been completely shot out so we were able to jump through that into the garden and Escape uh a picture window out into the garden and escape and uh yeah so that was that was that so you ended up killing three people well yeah I'm not proud of it I

mean I didn't intend to you know they they try to kill me so you know okay they wound up dead three of them yeah I mean I've told the story Before I had a home invasion happened to me uh many years ago and I thought I'd killed the home Invader he ended up Surviving but but I remember you know the thought process I had during that time with the adrenaline the first thing I thought was good riddance cuz he I felt he was trying to kill me so I I did I did what I had

to do so I felt I felt no guilt whatsoever about the he end up yeah he end up surving but did you feel any guilt at all or no well you know I Do I mean not guilt but I mean I I look back and I think you know I was very sad when I saw them the police going through the pockets of these deceased men and taking out their little notes and things and and you know I felt well you know this is these were people you know it's just terrible and um so I

wasn't proud of it but what could I do it was it was me or them you know that my daughter's head would be hanging from a taxi at this moment you know dangling from a Taxi if uh if I'd let them get their way my my six-year-old's daughter's head would be dangling from a taxi so mirror you know no no so uh cuz they eat them and they use the children as medicine you know what do you call it medicine wait wait wait wait wait wait they actually eat children and use their body parts as

medicine yes they they they take the body parts and then they well we know this I mean it's not it's not me I mean it's I would say everybody you Know maybe they things are improving but that's that's it's called MTI MTI then they make MTI out of the people's bodies you know and then they believe that if you have this Moody thing you know you you'll have good luck and all that sort of stuff you know it's not it's not new I think it's been in in human existence among groups of people for a

long time that type of thing you know I mean we're not talking about Oxford University professors here you know um yeah I Actually looked it up as you're as you're talking yeah the mewy murders uh from South Africa it's like a witch doctor kind of thing yes yes oh so my daughter they would have probably just killed me but they would have used her for Moody you know her body parts so yeah so that's not nice to think of but anyway um yeah um you know just one of those things I mean you know um

as it happened I had Stables on that property 12 Stables which would had been turned Into rooms for by a local restaurant for their workers and all those workers came up and stood guard around my house all black eyes came up and stood G guard around my place after the event because they said in case they should come back for Revenge you know and so you know all the black guys not all bad you know they some of them very nice and so they helped me you know afterwards in fact the first people to go

into the house and try and see what was going on after All the shooting that I had were were black Gods black private um police uh we had a lot of private police in those days we still have um you know like ADT and so on they went in they were the first to go in with shotguns to see what was going on when the actual police arrived they put on full body armor before they went into the house to see what was going on you know I mean the house was really wrecked I mean

52 shots there was no furniture but the amount of Blood in the house was absolutely enormous it was as though somebody had emptied you know 44 gallon drum of blood into the lounge it was it was just so much blood everywhere and as my little girl said when she had to walk I had to walk her over or carry her over it she said so much blood so much blood you know yeah yeah well I'm glad you got through that could have ended very uh very differently yeah yeah Yeah well in 1992 you were 46

years old at the time you got married for the second time yes to 25-year-old Heidi yes hayda ha Marie ha how do you pronounce pronounce your last name it's a German ha Marie there a flower Marie it's a flower in Germany hay Marie got okay why did you decide to get remarried at that point why did I decid to get married I was lonely I was in fact I'd set up a big yacht at the time I'd bought a 48t uh yacht a really great Yacht and uh sailing yacht that I was going to sail

to Canada to join the kids CU they had all moved to America and um then I met her and uh you know one thing led to another and I decided it was more fun being with her than going off uh sailing to another country you know so I put an end to the sailing and uh and not not totally I mean I did go on again later but uh yeah and I'm married and we had a child Alexandre and she's she's as she describes herself the favorite Child Uh of course they're all favorites but um

a beautiful girl an extremely beautiful girl and she just left here she was here until a week ago and she's at the inauguration yesterday of uh Donald Trump yeah with Elon at the inauguration well your second wife she had a child already when you guys got married she had three children three children okay and you had how many children at the time yourself well I had Elon kiml and Tuska so three yes and they they they were all in America by that stage right it's kind of The Brady Bunch almost right no not that many

okay so one of her children who was four years old at the time uh was named Jenna that's right now later on in life you know when Jenna was an adult I guess uh you were helping her uh pay her bills and so forth no no hater Marie and I or haters for short we had a good Marriage for quite a long time but she was much younger than me and um I don't know um it's you know like with all relationships it's I've become quite impressed when somebody tells me that their relationship lasted 3

years or something you know but these days but at any rate um our relationship you know didn't last very long we were married in 92 and we divorced in '94 2 years later and um so she went off she married another Man you know with a new divorce and marriage laws it was possible to jump around you know as opposed to the times of mine your parents anyway so she married another man I went off back to sailing did all sorts of things and then I met ha again in about 99 or saw met up

with her again although we had the child we had little girl so I would see the occasionally when I was back in South Africa go and see see my daughter Alexandra you know who was with The mother you know her mother and um and Ali had grown quite a bit and then we started seeing each other in in in about uh ' 98 I think 98 we started seeing each other again she divorced from that second husband that she that third husband that she had her first husband was killed in the car crash and then

um we we decided to get married again so we got married again and um and then Rose was born in 99 so Rose is now 25 and um at that time her her other Children that she had had been placed with uh because she was a woman on her own and had um didn't have the means and the man she married was you know a very I'm sure a very good policeman but they don't earn a lot of money or anything like that and so the children were placed in a sort of foster care her

three children you know and um so we got married uh uh and then after we got married and Rose was born she asked me if we can't bring the children back her Other children out of foster care back to join us so I said I'll do what I can and so one by one we by going to courts and making applications and so on I got all three children back her three children that's two boys and a girl Jana is one of the was a girl and it wasn't shortly after that in 2002 two years

after Rose was born that uh Elon I'd been going regularly to the states and then Elon invited us said we must come over and meet his new son um that NADA That he had had with his first wife who had be it was 3 months old so we went over and I we took everybody the the rose Alexandra and ha's three other children five there were seven of us went to uh America and on the way when we landed at Raleigh Raleigh the airline came to us and said they need to speak to us and

we went and spoke to them they told us that elon's son had died uh the night before and that they we need to they needed to tell us it was terrible You know anyway we continued and we arrived in LA and everybody was distraught I mean it was terrible time and um you know we we was Elon at that point had been renting the top the the penthouse of the Beverly Wilshire which is fabulous place to stay a huge could take about four families so we all began living in the top floor of the Beverly

walshire for a while and then um uh when we were due to leave Elon and Kimble came to us and said look We don't want you to leave we want you to stay we don't want you to go back to South Africa it's too dangerous which it was and um so after much talking we we agreed to stay with all the children and uh and so forth and so I started working for uh I I'd get to the point in a minute I started working for SpaceX I was one of the first nine or so

working for SpaceX I didn't they didn't pay me I just went to do the help to to fix things and so forth and um that that Also took me to the rocket site in um in Texas a lot and I was away a lot and as you probably know in America if you like your job you start it you go as early as possible in the morning and you come back at 10:00 at night and you do that 7 days a week you know so that's if you like your job they all seem to like

their job terribly and so my wife was my wife had Marie was very upset and she said if we she has to go on like this she's going to kill herself so Eventually cut long story short we decided to return to South Africa so we took all the children and including Yana the girl you're talking about and we all went back to South Africa we got temporary passports we didn't let the boys know and we got in the plane and we we flew back we left everything behind our home you know in first we lived

in Beverly Hills haded didn't like that so we moved to Malibu we had two acres in Malibu she Didn't like that so we you know this South African scene is more friendly you know people are more um sort of at home with each other and America people are sort of Workaholics as we we found you know but at any rate which is good for America of course and um and so we we came back and um we weren't back 6 months when I I I thought I was doing the right thing by my wife Elon

and them refused to speak to us I said we done we're done we're never Going to speak to them again because of what we did cuz we left the homes the cars everything a boat that I had everything behind a big five level boat in marid Del re anyway so um hay and I decided it's not working so so I could see things were going bad like they had the first time so I I sued her for a divorce in in 2004 and So within 2 years again I was divorced again and she was on

her own I gave her everything we had here I still had a few houses here so I Gave them to her all of them and a couple of houses and couple of stands maybe three houses and couple of housing stands and cash and so on and I just bought a yacht and I set off again on ocean sailing which I did a lot of cross the oceans you know sail to Europe from here cross the Atlantic a few times and so on and um I never saw her or the children again uh until about 2014

um oh well of course I saw her my Ex-wife if I came back to South Africa cuz I go see my daughters but that's another story about about two or three years after we got back Elon and Kimble said look surely you want Ali Alexandra and Rose to be here and not be in America where they safer so we all agreed that Ali and and Alexandra and Rose should go back so Alexander and Rose went back to school and then Allie went on to University in Colorado and Rose continued at school in um in Colorado

with the boys which is sort of a family agreement we made as for ha's other children they were growing and I never really saw much of them then in about 2014 I got a call from um an email from Jana to say that she's having a very hard time she was now about 28 29 years old and she'd already had a child a little girl of six or something and she can't make it she's just unable to live and so forth and the people at the social welfare had taken her child away And she was

living with a man in a store room and so I went to see her found her and and then saw the terrible circumstances and I said well look you know I'm going to give you money for food and toiletries every day I'll give it to you every day or every week which I started doing uh enough for food and toiletries at first and then that grew into a little bit more and a little bit more So eventually they could live better and then I got them both a a Secondhand car which uh they could use

and uh this went on for quite a while and then in about 2016 I got a call from Yana I never saw her because we used to send money through the bank you know occasionally might see her but I mostly didn't go and see her and then I got this uh um call in 2016 or so from Yana to say that um her boyfriend is throwing her out she's on the street and all her clothes are out on the street and all that sort of Thing and uh she don't know what to do so I

said well I was living oh by the way Rose had come back because she wanted to do it was very complicated she wanted to do her high schooling she'd finished her primary schooling in Colorado but she wanted to do her high schooling in South Africa near her mother now I had no her mother lived in a town where near very close to where I am now but I had no home I had no home in South Africa so Rose I had to then Find a home so that Rose could come back so in about 2013

I did have this home which I rented near where her mother lived and I put Rose in a local school so that's when Yana contacted me Yana said she's struggling I let tell me what was happening when they threw her out on the street and then I said she better come here if you still got the vehicle yeah she's got the vehicle I said come here so she brought the vehicle she arrived here and she spent the next 3 Weeks with us and we with rose and myself and we uh got on really well she'd

grown up into you know a great looking woman and um we got on extremely well and um you know and then after a while she left uh us to because the boyfriend started crying and coming and lying on our doorstep and so forth crying through the night and all sorts of things like that so she decided she'll give this bloke another chance and so she left and then two months Later roughly 2 months later she contacted me to say she's pregnant so I said well oh can't be me she said well it is you because

she she hasn't been with anybody else she went back with this chat but she's they're just friends so I said well you know all right well then I wasn't too happy with that so I send blood samples at that time he could only do it like that to Canada and uh cried gentically and and they uh confirmed in Canada that the child was 99.9% mine so he's now seven he's nearly eight he's probably the most smartest boy I've ever known he's smarter than Elon and Kimble were at that age and I'm very happy with him

and they uh you know they live here with me so uh they've got a little house she's got a little house of her own but she most of the time she's here and uh so we have two children now actually we have a little girl as well well yeah there's a 42 age there's a 42 Year age difference between right they say age is only a number I don't know they say I don't look 78 anyway I think I look 108 well well and a lot of people they have a problem with this because when

she was four years old you were her stepfather and then you go on to have children with her well yes you know I was her stepfather but she had three stepfathers afterwards you know so I was a one time stepfather she had three stepfathers subsequently so You know I don't I'm not the current but I mean you know I have no all I say show me the rules I'd like to see the rules uh please show me the rules I want to see the rules for Love and War and then if you show me then

I'll apologize if you can't show me the rules then don't talk to me show me the rules well what does her mother think of you having two kids with her daughter well odly enough her mother and I had been separated for so so long and her Mother was was married again you know to another chap who unfortunately was killed in a car accident last year I mean the drama just doesn't end but at any rate at the time she was married she had no interest at all and uh you know um there was no problem

I think uh my two boys said H Kimel said oh it's nothing it happens I mean he had a child with one of the girls who worked in his restaurants I mean you know while he was married so the these kind of things Happen you know and um and I think the people who were most sort of surprised were my two daughters Ellie and Rose because they were they they known Yana a little bit as a sort of sister if if you know what I mean so but that kind of thing is well way long

gone with us you know that nobody sees it like that anymore you know I mean we've just spent Christmas with the two daughters Ellie and Rose and Jana and everybody had came out from Texas now Just the last couple of weeks you know two two or 3 weeks ago we had Christmas all together you know no no it's not a problem at all and the mother haa she's she spends he the little my little fellow goes and spends whenever she whenever she can get him she he takes she takes him you know to her place

and he goes there and that's his Omar and he his his Omar as we call it his his what do you call it in your country it's Omar grandmother and and so so um yeah so no No there's no trouble at all nothing nothing at all we all had Christmas together how would you compare your situation with someone like Woody Allen who ended up marrying his adopted step-daughter at one point well you know no rules in Love and War you know no rules in Love and War I I have a friend here who is one

of the this little town is full of quite interesting people it's a a lot of sort of wealthy people seem to retire in this particular seaside Resort that I'm in and um and there was this one Chap and he was married for 30 years to this very beautiful woman that everybody used to was I mean everybody amazed with her beautiful red hair and everything I don't better not name it put any names and then last year or something he wound up having an affair with a woman of 20 and and they have a and she

was pregnant and and now he's left his his wife and he's living with a 20-year-old in in Cape Town and he's a Friend you know so so we all like you know everybody's likeo you know woo you know what can you do I don't know you know the way I understand it if you can you can be married apparently happily married for 20 years or something walk up to your wife and say listen I want out she can't sue you she can't do anything she's going to say yes if your wife comes to you and

says I'm done I want out what are you going to do so how many kids do you have right now I've got seven seven kids seven yeah okay but didn't you say that there was about five other women who claimed they have your child as well oh yeah yeah now I've had I've had about six women over the last 20 years claim that I'm the father of their child one went so far as to go to all the newspapers in America and claim that she was I was her daughter one of of them claimed she

was my daughter that one I had to have DNA testing done to prove that it wasn't the Case uh but I have other people and they you know I explain they show me tell me the timelines and I explain to them that's not possible you know there's the timelines are not not possible and so what do you do about it there's nothing you can do about it I mean you know um I you know it's difficult it's difficult one but no there are no other kids that I know of but if there was if somebody

came to me and said you know remember me we met and we went out for a while or Something to that effect and we we made it together a bit or something like that and I actually have this child and this is who the child is man I would grasp that child with everything that I've got you know I mean I would take that child I'd say listen lady you can leave leave the child here you can [Laughter] go well in 1995 Elon moves to California to attend Stanford University although he never actually went to

any of the Classes there and around that time he co-founded a company called zip 2 yes with his brother Kimble now did you give some of the seed money for this company well what happened was they asked me what money I can give them and um South Africa as I told you earlier in 1994 when thec took over you know let me just say at the moment in South Africa we don't have a single government Department that functions we we have partially functioning government in this Country even to this day nothing really functions so for

example for about the last 18 months no one could get a passport here it was almost impossible to get the home Affairs doesn't work and so the banks started issuing passports here with the with the approval of the central government I mean there's no functioning government Department in this country let's face it it's no good tending you you know uh things aren't what nowhere near what they should be in This country but at any rate where was I now um back in '94 when the ANC took over I mean you know the first thing that

happened I was a city councilor for 10 years in one of the most beautiful buildings I had my office in in the in the country in probably in the world uh in the first year they burnt it down to the ground you know this huge magnificent structure was burnt to the ground in the first year in '95 anyway that's typical You know anyway so yeah so Elon wanted to start a business he said he he was going to S it he thinks he should take advantage of the dot of course I knew nothing about Dot

and I we didn't have internet or anything in ' 95 here and um so I said to him look I can I sled the 48t yacht I said I can sell the yacht I slay the bush Farm I said I can sell a bush Farm but I'm not going to get anything like the value I'm going to get like a third or quarter of the value in Fact the yacht cost me 400,000 and I sold it for 105,000 and the bush Farm was worth about 8 800,000 at the time today it would be worth 8

million but I sold it for 234,000 as I recall and with that money I was able to send it to them and to you weren't allowed to send money out of the country I mean that was one of my friends tried that he got eight years in prison and for which he served four you know I Mean a chartered accountant sent to prison for four years Jewish guy eight years but he came out after four years and um um so what I was told is that if you take money to this certain also as it

happened Jewish people that own this certain franchise and you give it to them they send the money somehow through Israel or something to that effect and then they take a commission and then you can send this money to the your children so that's what I did so I went to them And I said look I I need to send this money to them and then you don't know what happens to that money but I would contact them and say did you get the money did you get the money so what they took off on the

money is about a quarter they they took about a quarter of the money and the exchange rate at the time was not great so you know that I probably wound up sending them about $445,000 of which they probably got about 30 something ,000 something like That but then I also went over there and I would take a business allowance so I'd give them that as well you see and then I bought them a call when I was there so they had a call for zip to well yeah according to reports you gave Elon $28,000 to

help start zip 2 but Elon said that you never gave him anything no I did yeah I did give them that I I where the $28,000 comes from I don't know but it by my Reckoning it was more like based on what the amount was That they took off I would think it more like $32,000 but then I'm not sure because I had no way of of checking and when I would ask them what money they received they were they were too busy to like tell me but um no no I definitely sent them money

Kimble said to me without that money they could not have lasted the 6 months that they did uh because it was food and rent money and Kimble said they would never have been able to Get through it without that money so why Elon says that I don't know I have no idea well zip 2 gets acquired by compact for $37 million plus shock options of 200 million right so Elon had 7% of the company so his share was $22 million yes that's right did he you know with you helping to invest in the company early

on did he give you some of the profits or just a thank you uh they send me $200,000 oh that's nice yeah okay so Elon takes the money from zip 2 and then he co-founds the original x.com which in 2000 merges with confinity to form PayPal so then PayPal gets acquired by eBay yeah for $1.5 billion yes and with Elon being one of the big shareholders the biggest shareholder actually he gets $176 million after this acquisition well yes you know around about when they sold Z two I went there And it was interesting because I

never thought they'd make any success with it I thought it was just you know waste waste my money went as a waste I thought to help them I I didn't expect anything and then I was friendly with the uh um a American Air Force liaison officer in South Africa for the American Embassy and then he was a very nice Chap and he he came and said you know with his American draw he said to me do you know that company that elon's got it's worth $52 million this was zip two I said what $52 million

are you crazy what are you talking about he said yes and um you know even then we didn't really have a fun a really functioning internet in South Africa anyway so I shot over I went over there I wouldn't say shot over there I went over there a little while later few weeks later trying to find out what's going on and then I discovered it was actually well much much more than $52 million but um yeah um at the time after when I was there Elon said to me how much do you does it cost

you to cash a check so I said to him well I'm not sure but I think it costs round about 2 R50 that's our currency you know he said yes it's same here it's about $1.75 or something to write a check in America you see so I said yeah and I and then he said and this I said well I think some of those other things you're talking about cost as much as 10 R and he said Yes he had cost as much as $7 and he said but if you do these things through the

internet then these transactions would cost a fraction of a cent that was what he was saying so I said I said yes so he said he's bought this um this x.com for $600,000 paid $600,000 for the domain which the original guy bought for $39 and um Wanted a million for it but he got 600 and Elon was going to use this x.com as the name of the bank so That by that stage I sort of realized I saw the computer thing you could just press X and then you'd get into your you'd get straight into

your into X you know just have don't have to have anything more you just type X and uh as he and then he said he's going to start this electronic bank and you know the next thing one thing led to another and then it became PayPal and as you say they sold it to uh to eBay um I Su it for $1.8 Billion um and Elon got about 22 and 12 Elon Kimel got 12 and so forth you know out of it right so now Elon is worth $176 million yeah and he he takes 100

million and puts it into SpaceX well yes it wasn't so much that after during the during Basics uh um pay uh PayPal's existence um of course PayPal today more than 60% of all transactions on the internet go through PayPal you know it's it's absolutely Amazing it's worth more than eBay so um anyway so he had a ra with Peter teal and those guys uh they thought Elon was too bombastic Elon figured he could take he could take PayPal to much higher much higher he could take it into the Realms you know of you know8 10

billion dollars but they were they were always like at him at his throat saying we're happy with what we've got and so forth anyway they sort of as you probably know they had a board Meeting and he was asked to the CEO so he then had some time on his own and he moved to an apartment South of San Francisco and he started learning to fly pilot learn got his pilot's license and so forth and he didn't quite know what to do with himself or I wouldn't say that putting it a bit strongly but he

wanted something to do so he read about Robert zub's rocket societ Mars Society you know the Mars society and he joined the Mars society and he was he was Really enthralled by the Mars Society uh and their their plans and how they had people living in the desert outside um San Francisco you know pretending to be on Mars and trying to imagine how they would live and all that sort of stuff if they were on Mars and Elon was very excited by this so much so that he gave them $100,000 deposit U um gift to

the mar Society you know and um and then he decided he's going to build his own rocket oh he's he's going to buy a Rocket from the Russians and he's going to launch it and I think you know the story and then he that that turned out bad and then he decided well he's going to build his own rocket so he started actually sort of uh what do you call it when you pinch other people's employees or something he started looking for people who working in the space industry and suggesting to them that they come

and work for him instead you know at the various agencies around the country and He managed to get quite a few of them one from Germany couple from you know the jet propulsion lab and so forth and they came over and started working and uh he put this money to work I was one of the first workers there as I said earlier and uh we we bought this somewhat dilapidated Warehouse big though and in in elak gundo south of LA and um the lamps were all hanging out of the ceiling and the ceiling boards were

all hanging out and There was water damage and God knows what but anyway we set about fixing this place up until eventually it had an enameled floor white enameled floor floor so much so that they made a movie called Iron Man in there but at any rate um uh he started building these things and as you pointed out it got to the point by the fourth launch that he was going to be he's going to lose $100 million the last he had because he put other money into Tesla an electric car Startup and he was

really going to be without any funds at all and the fourth lunch Launch the third launch was almost a success I saw what was wrong with it I immediately told him what was wrong with it I think they listened to me uh you know uh it started spinning and because I have a lot of experience with aircraft the the fuel was was being thrown to the sides it was not reaching the the U exit pipes and and so it was fuel stared you need to put baffles all the planes like The boeings they all have

baffles so when they turn from one side to the other the fuel doesn't all run to one side or to the other side if you're know what I mean and so um the fourth launch was made and it was massive success it was 5 Seconds true in other words it was only 5 Seconds of Arc out of out of orbit out of the orbit they wanted which is ridiculously small and um you know it was a major success well he puts 100 million into SpaceX and then he puts 6 million into Tesla and he also

helped create Solar City so essentially all the money he made from the sale of PayPal went into other companies and like you said he was essentially broke I mean was that elon's mentality like his whole life he didn't really care about money or you know growing in you know using compounded interest to kind of have a huge pile of money yes yes yes you see Uh Elon and Kimble and tosa they grew up with me um from a very early age as I said spoke to you earlier about they only knew that they lived in

a very fine home in water CL where all by the time they were eight or nine years 7 8 n years old I had given up Mercedes-Benz cars I had moved on to Rolls-Royce cars so they only rode in Rolls-Royce cars if you if you understand they they knew that if you wanted to go somewhere you got into a twin engined airplane that Belonged to you and you flew there and then you landed on your air strip and you went to your Lodge if if you understand they weren't like other kids and um you know

they'd been to as I said every they learned to ski in Europe when they was still 10 or under 10 years of age you know so they lived what I would call A Life That's not the life I led as a child I I but I never had a I never even had a bed until up to the age of 10 never mind a bedroom I never had a bed I Slept on a on a couch until I was 10 years old my parents were too poor we lived in two rooms in a boarding house

in the Immigrant section I I mean you know we weren't poor poor people were Rich comp to us so um no um I never had anything like that so when you start like I did you do get money and you start to think well I should keep this and spend it as slowly as possible but when you grow up like Elon and Kimel particularly Elon with also with his s Of sort of you mentioned like Asbergers or whatever it is um you know with a sort of different outlook on life you know what the hell

you could you make it you can make it again you know you're never ever going to go down you know you're entitled man you you're one of those who just gets it you know no matter what and um you know we you know there's another term for it [ __ ] floats you know or something like that sorry for that gross comment but anyway so uh Yeah so so they were not used to anything like that they to them uh you know a hardship was uh when uh the Hilton ran out of phet Stak or

something you [Laughter] know well yeah because in 2012 Elon actually appeared on Forbes billionaire list for the first time he had a$2 billion net worth yeah how did it feel as a father to have a son that's now a billionaire well you know before that in In 20056 2007 he was getting on and I remember that they said that his net worth is gone up from is gone from is now 672 million I remember somebody telling me that he's now estimated to have 672 million around about 2007 thereabouts and um I they said Gee and

I said no no no Elon will not stop until he's number one I said to these people he won't stop until he's number one at that time I Imagine Bill Gates may have been number one I'm not sure but he won't stop until he's number one I mean that's what I know because I'm his father I know that he's not going to stop until he's number one and I can tell you now what's going to happen you know so it's it's because you know the people concerned you know how they think he's very frugal he

he is very careful with how he does things uh he's going to go he's going to go on and On you know he will the IPO of saing is going to be worth a trillion dollars so you know SpaceX to all intensed purpos is already worth a trillion dollars so it's really a matter of uh it being a private company no no I expected him to do that so when Kimble started rest restaurant I knew that in Du course he would have many restaurants so at the last count a few years ago with all the

um eateries that they had takeaways they had over 3,000 uh and about 80 formal restaurants so the same sort of thing you know they they just keep on going you know it is a bit weird but that's what happens you know and my daughter started making films now she makes films every every 3 months she puts out a film a ful length film well yeah I mean right now I looked it up he's worth $430 billion doar at this moment so he really is poised like let's just say Tesla stock doubles which is very plausible

because you've seen You know I own Tesla stock myself I actually have I've owned four Teslas it's my favorite car company just to be totally honest and the stock always goes crazy for example when Trump got elected it jumped up like I think like 50 or 60% it was insane so it's very plausible within a you know within a year or two he could potentially be a trillionaire the first trillionaire in human history yeah sure you know it doesn't help you know you can only eat so much full at Steak and you can only have

a a bed this soft you there's no there's not there's not unlimited Improvement to your personal life doesn't make much difference to your life you know it's like Lord AA said back in 1912 when he was getting on the Titanic before he was drowned he said having a million pounds is the same as being rich he said that in 1912 he said someone who has a million pounds it's the same as being rich you know if you Can understand that what he's meaning you know so you know you is very frugal so you know he

doesn't uh indulge in in in things he's not like buying himself some sort of anything fancy so maybe he'll get there and Kimble's much the same they they forever looking at new things that actually are interesting that's the thing so Kimble's Kimble's got latest passion is uh these these um drones that make drone shows you know where they send 40,000 drones up and it Makes a picture for for a half a minute or something then disappears you know uh kimel's into that and I bumped into him in UAE a couple of weeks ago where he

was doing this 2015 Elon co-founded open AI yes and then in 2016 he co-founded neuralink yes which is the the brain computer interface yes and he put $100 million into that company yes he also started the boring company which makes tunnels and I think they have some in Las Vegas right now yes so in 2016 you and Elon had a falling out over your support of Donald Trump which is very ironic because now he's Donald Trump's best friend yeah yeah it's funny it's weird that's really weird well what happened was do you want to hear

shall I tell you okay well after we left the us the way we did with our temporary passports things never really things were always a bit icy between us whenever we went overseas subsequently To see our daughters and things but we never discussed it so we just sort of kept our cool anyway in 2016 though I turned 70 and um they came out to South Africa in private jets with about 50 people many children and also the cost of the Jungle Book movie with the actors and actresses that were in that movie in the crowd

you know very wellknown people and also I think one of the owners of Google and son and um anyway uh during the we had this terrific lunch for me 70th birthday it was very nice we sequestered an entire Block in the city and um yeah and so um at the end of the uh meal towards the dessert portion or coffee portion um John favro turned across to me from the other side and said uh so you support Trump we believe I believe you support Trump so I it was 20 it was before the 2016 election

6 months before the 2016 election so I said yes yes I support Trump and the result was you know Massive laughter the whole crowd just burst into laughter and uh you know the three of us Elon Kimel and I just sat there you know while they laughed and laughed and then finally pharoh said uh uh um why why do you support Trump with more laughter you know so I said well he's just like us you know he's just like us uh to my mind he's doing the same kind of work I always did property development

and he's much bigger than I've ever been and U you know he's it's Great to see somebody who's not a career politician doing this kind of thing which they all laughed and said no he's he's uh they use profanity they said he's a this and he's a that and he's he's a this and he's a that and everything you know and they were all laughing their heads off and this sort of brought the whole lunch to a a sort of grizzly end people started getting up and leaving and heading back to their Vans and I

was Left sitting alone in the restaurant all alone at the time you know um I just had a heart open heart operation so I was sitting there with my monitor draped around my neck and on on my on my waist my actual monitor radio monitor for me to be monit all the time sat there you know and um cuz the tube was very long so I turned around my neck anyway so I was sitting there and and then Elon and kemell came to me and said uh what on Earth do you think you're Doing saying

and I said well um you know he's just like us I mean Trump is just like us he's he's he's us you know he's who we are and they said you know Elon Kimmel was fanatically unhappy frantically unhappy using language I've never heard Kimmel use Elon said Elon uh Trump is evil and uh and and so on you know very matter of fact look he's evil you know get get it get it into your head and then they left I was left sitting alone and U that was Uh you know that was it I mean

um I never discussed it again with them I did go over a few times to my daughter's graduation and so forth in the next year or two and to various other things saw them would see we never discussed anything we just kept quiet and so I was moderately surprised but it happened gradually when things changed okay now at one point Elon had a book that came out and in the book he spoke about you he called you a terrible Human being he said my dad will have a carefully thought out plan of evil he will

plan evil he said almost every crime that you could possibly think of he's done he's good at making life miserable that's for sure he's not a happy man I don't know how someone becomes like he is and he also mentioned that him and his first wife Justine promised each other they wouldn't introduce their kids to You now when you hear that what do you think well um I have met all these kids so that's kind of strange to me I met all the kids you know when they were small so I mean the first wife

you know Justine less said the better from my point of view you know so um you know that was a mistake um as far as Elon saying those things I think it was interviewed by Rolling Stone magazine And I think they they I don't know they must have caught him on a bad day or something but I I've never as I reply they actually Runing Stone phoned me and asked me if I'd like to comment I said well I've never never actually planned anything evil that I can think of and I've certainly don't make plans

to hurt anybody I've simply never hurt anybody deliberately anyway in my life I don't know what you're talking about but um I don't know it depends how your kids See you I mean what I did do in my kind of career was I I didn't suffer fools and if if if something serious was going to be destroyed or ruined by the action of a fool then I would not let it happen just not let it happen and so um they were very aware of the fact that I was somebody who acted very immediate very quickly

in the event of things going rotten and so you know um I look at the situation you had with Biden and the situation they've now got in England That wouldn't have happened if I had been there under my watch never I didn't I would never let something like that happen IID do whatever is necessary to stop such bad things from happening that these so-called government people did you know fortunately now they're going to to face the music but at any rate yeah it's possible that they were aware of me dealing with contractors dealing with people

harshly and um not deliberately it was In in where where a person was put into a position where you either deal with the situation or or it's going to get worse you know so I don't really know what he was talking about actually it was a surprise to me because at that time I was more or less retired you know I was I mean I actually retired from very uh big involvement when I was about 35 so you know I was you know I don't know what he was talking about so Um what I can

say is you know I'm an ocean o open ocean qualified Skipper or yachtsman you know and um people have said they all let their children or the people go anywhere with me across the ocean whereas they won't let them go with anybody else and the same thing has been said about me with flying because they' say I'll let my child go with ER but not with anybody else because I think they see I'm I'm not going to let them down something Like that anyway you know so what I would say is um it's pretty that

he said things like that stupid really well you responded you said uh Elon needs to grow grow up he needs to get over himself I'm not going to hit back I'm going to wait until he comes to his senses he's having a tantrum like a spoiled child yes he can't have what he wants and now I'm apparently an evil monster what exactly does he want well I don't know you know I mean Uh I think the working in the technical field was nice to see your ideas come to fruition but at the end of the

day we we are we are Political Animals all of us you know U we are much happier uh among a crowd at a party than we are in a crowd doing drawings or something where we can we can you know argue with one another and s i I've always said well my my history teacher used to tell me politics is 50% of life so now he's changed he's now got into The political world and the political pool the swimming pool let's say of the political world is very very deep it's you're never going to hit

the bottom you you can swim as much as you like you can try as hard as you you want you're never going to get to the bottom you're never going to get to the side and you're never get going to get to the other side so that's great because you're not going to conquer that world you're going to come out as a battled uh wounded veteran But you're never going to conquer it no one in history is is labeled as he conquered politics no one no one you know what I mean and so so in

that respect Elon is now in the political world and all the money in the world all the uh you know whatever you want to put it is not going to help you because if you if you haven't got the quick slap back you haven't got the WT if you haven't got the repar te you've done you're done you know so you have to be Able to to you you you know no nobody knows what it is what makes a champion movie actor what makes it's a little bit similar what makes a champion politician it's very

difficult to say we think of um when we think of politicians people say Churchill he was great what do you remember about him oh he said we'll fight on the beaches you know then who else oh I don't know Reagan was good wasn't he what did he say uh tear down this wall Mr Gorbachov you see so that's what you remember these people for it's not because they were consistent or something like that and you know it's it's a very new world for him and it's a it's a world that has no bottom or sides

and so that's probably quite good and it's a world where you easily easily get wounded it's like being a weak Gladiator in the Coliseum you know what I mean you know best make sure you can run you know if you are a weak Gladiator in the Coliseum well 2022 Elon buys Twitter for $44 billion yeah I didn't see this one coming were you surprised that Elon bought Twitter well I was involved with that so it's not that I was surprised what happened was towards the end of 2021 Biden who Elon had done everything he could

to support by the way you know he was a oh he was a Biden man you know all his friends who came with him to the birthday party I had they were all these Flaming Democrats Elon was a flaming Democrat Kimbell was a flaming Democrat anyway towards the end of 2021 uh when Biden was already showing what he was doing nevertheless he invited all the electric car makers to the white house for a week to come and discuss the making of America into a an electric car country country by 2035 invited all of all the

car makers except Tesla now Tesla had made a cars that year and sold them the other five Manufacturers had built 26 cars and hadn't sold one not one and so Elon couldn't understand this at first he thought it was some kind of joke because in his book he was he was the Golden Boy of everyone everyone viewed him as the Golden Boy you know at that point in time um SpaceX was humming you know and and uh we'd already you know put people I think in space or or nearly got people in space so SpaceX

was humming everything was humming and Tesla was Looking for the first time like it's going to be okay and he's left out so in the month that followed Elon started saying things like Biden is a looney he's a lunatic we got a lunatic for a president and the government is Looney it was sort of Canadian expression actually and then um I said to him you know uh immediately I started seeing these things I said during realize what you're doing you're now entering the political world for the first time and You are saying things that are

aimed at political uh targets and these I said these people don't just take your money away they kill you they take your life away if you get in their way so um because I knew that from my own life my own experience when I stood as a candidate for parliament in this country I was threatened with death we actually caught the people who were doing the threats the police caught them in my time anyway so I said to El you have to be careful what you're doing and but he carried on he carried on and

then a deluge of of bad of things were said on Twitter that Elon is a piece of a POS and he has to be deported and he must go back to South Africa he's a he's a blur on the landscape of the US and all that kind of stuff and he'd never ever had anything like that said about him ever and this all came from Twitter and then it was explained to him and I said to him get Your body guard s right get your get your bodyguards and check who see who's appointing your bodyguards

to start with anyway then I said then then people said to him Twitter is not a private company it's a political arm of the Democrat Party and it's even part of the Crooked FBI they they used they use Twitter to pretend that it's private but it's not it's a government uh Department Twitter is essentially just another democratic government Department and so when he Heard this he said okay if that's the case it's a private company I'm going to buy it at that stage we we valued test uh Twitter at $7 billion which was for their

database really a lot of money it's a huge amount of money but they started making it very difficult for him to buy it until eventually as you pointed out he was forced to pay 44 billion for it if he could have waited but the courts forced him the Democrat courts forced him to pay 44 billion if He could have held out until nine months later say April the next year he would have got he would have got he would have been able to buy Twitter for a billion dollar because it was bleeding a billion dollars

a month at the time you know and and um anyway he paid the 44 billion he said fine and he's now turned it into a free free speech platform and the only real free speech platform at the moment Available well last year the Wall Street Journal did a report and they said that the 13 billion that Elon borrowed to buy Twitter is considered the worst deal in merger finance that banks have participated in since the 2008 financial crisis because they say that the company has lost $24 billion do in equity since Elon took it over

well it's now doing 10 times more than it ever did uh as Twitter and uh it doesn't stop growing and elon's plan to make it into a an Information Source like a search engine like Google a place where you can pay your your electricity bill your car finance can be done through it you wants to turn it at all those things um I would not bet against Elon definitely I would advise them the other thing is the banks were running to lend him the money so uh please please take the money from us so um

yeah no so I don't I'm not worried about that at all I mean Twitter will become worth hundred billion so Then it'll be fine well I mean recently he introduced the Tesla robots and he said that in the future these robots will be the biggest selling product of all time yes and and that kind of makes sense because if you think about it you know iPhones are now probably the biggest selling product of all time yeah so this is essentially an iPhone with arms and legs that can go around and do stuff for You yes

so I could totally I could totally imagine this as long as you know no humans get get killed along the way of these robots doing their job I would love to have a Tesla robot he said the other day I'm not sure I totally agree with him because it's so soon but Elon said by 2040 there'll be more Tesla robots than people you know which is bit odd but yeah I mean if you look at human history at one Points you know cars represented 1% and horses represented 99% of Transportation in America and now cars

are 99% and horses are 1% if that yes yes absolutely so so technology definitely you know at one point people used to use oil to light candles in their home and then electricity came around and now nobody uses oil except for just decorative candles so it's very hard to tell the future very hard but uh I I would elon's very good at that he's Very good at uh the future so for example back in 1994 um when they started zip 2 what they didn't know what they were going to call it but let's assume it

became zip2 but um Elon they started with the idea that they would start a search engine for uh for find like Garmin GPS maps or something like that so that in the first they did it they brought one out City search or something and then you you put your location down and then the computer Would print out a a written page and with little arrows and tell you give you all the directions to this place uh you know and then you would follow this written written schedule and then this was about 95 and then 1995

and then uh they they they discovered that there a lot of people doing this a lot of people are doing this so around about August 95 Elon would had been in computers since the early 80s he'd also had a modem Since he showed me a modem when he was about 12 13 said showed me this gray box with a red light on it he said dad what do you think this is I said I don't know what is it he said this is a modem now he was about 12 or 13 he said with this

thing I can communicate with my little computer I can Comm communicate with the computer at Oxford University I said well how do you do that he said I just put it into the telephone line and then a commun cases I said what does how much Does that cost he said no they it's not a telephone call it gets superimposed on the lines the information something like that anyway so he was good at looking at the future and he said one day everybody will have a modem and so um in '95 Elon said to me and

to Kimble uh or rather to me he said to me that um the internet's going to have to go the newspapers are going to have to go onto the internet now that was so such a far out idea you know I mean what what do you Mean you know in those days everybody bought their newspaper every day and it was a thick Ward you know every day and he said no the newspapers are going to have to go onto the internet there won't be paper newspapers so we all said well you know what are you

going to do he said he wants to go and see a publishing company that publishes paper newspapers called rder so they're going the next day they've got an appointment they were 24 And 23 years old more or less you know and and and they're going to see this place to explain to them that they're going to have to change because they were at that point this nro was publishing Miami Herald um LA Times San Francisco Chronicle and about 11 major newspapers and they're going to have to change to to do only online publishing so they

went to see them and came out of that meeting with a check for $4 million from nit rder do it and so the ability To see that far ahead Elon has that ability there's no doubt about it I have a certain amount of that ability for example right now I'm busy with a new Institute that we're trying to establish people have said we should call it the musk Institute I didn't say that but we need to study space-time travel we need to study SpaceTime travel which is coupled with gravity we we need to solve Fusion

if we don't do these things then the popular Vision that we all have of The future of cars and things floating up and down as you see in all the movies it's not going to happen it's not going to happen we'll still be doing the same thing 100 years from now so we have to do that we have to move into the future and so I have the idea to start an Institute of study in that direction where we attract all the crazy Geeks of the world to come and think anyway that's another story but

has the ability to see what the future needs so his idea On robots is not lost I agree I definitely agree well late last year the two of you hugged for the first time in years is that true late last year yes yes I he asked me if I'd like to come and see the launch of a Starship so I said okay so I went over to bokach Chica and the two of us yo we had a great time and uh we spend the weekend together together and um interesting enough during the after this very

successful launch they had a Party afterwards sort of a Hawaiian party of for about 250 workers everybody's having a good time and Elon stopped the proceedings he said to everyone this is my dad put his arm around he said he's taller than me you know put his arm around me and he said uh my dad taught me everything I know about engineering which is rather a nice thing to say I immediately said no no no you taught yourself a lot of things but that's what he did and so y yeah so we Had a good

meeting it was nice very nice well Elon has been married twice has 12 children yes he lost one child through sudden infant uh death syndrome unfortunately yes one of his children is transgender yes you had mentioned at one point that he didn't really spend a lot of time with his kids yeah yes I did see that he because of divorce that's what happens you know it's very difficult and then with the type of work youing I had The same problem when they were small I was always away I relied on my wife I I couldn't

uh you know always just be there you know uh I didn't work a fixed schedule so yeah he he had the same problem I think many men uh Kimble as well you know had that problem I see now with the new little boy x which I met last year and Siobhan's children I met last year um they um he spends a lot of time with his with that one he's he's trying to make sure that he spends time With this one yeah yeah that's the baby he has with Grimes right yes yeah one of the

one of the two kids yes I remember um in in elon's book I saw an interview with uh with the biographer and he talked about something called demon mode where at certain times Elon just gets really hyperfocused and really angry and really short with people and so forth and Grimes even pointed out to the biographer at one point goes look you know elon's in Demon Mode right now do you know what that is and have you experienced that yeah you know I think it's roughly the same thing that he was referring to me you know

when you get into demon mode if you see a situation where a Calamity coming your way you either get into demon mode it's even if you're sailing a ship or flying an airplane or running a business or you're going to go down in flames and uh if you don't do it and get people to uh you know you know perform properly and Wake up so demon mode is sometimes needed in every business I think Steve Jobs was famous for demon mode and I can tell you a few others that I know in this country who

uh actually went beyond demon mode and went to fist mode in business meetings you know yeah the same biographer that wrote elon's book also wrote Steve Jobs final uh biography and he called Steve's situation the reality Distortion field yeah Where you know he would go to his engineers and say okay uh the new iMac how long is it going to take and they'll say six months he'll say I need it in two weeks yeah and and they'll say that's completely impossible but he's like no I need it in two weeks and he'll drive them and

two weeks later it'll actually be done yeah but you know so it would get accomplished but the people end up getting no sleep and you know they'll go through hell in order to do It is that kind of a similar thing that Elon does yes it's a it's a some of thing that every successful businessman does every successful businessman Commander General um you know Captain has that situation it's called you know live or die final question you know like I said in the beginning elon's worth almost half a trillion dollars right now yes does he

financially help you out and his other siblings or are you guys pretty Much on your own yes the Family Foundation the family uh company rather uh uh provides for uh all the single woman um monthly and and also a little bit of help to those that are married the woman and um yeah for me I uh a little bit of help I don't ask for much help because I'm self-supporting you see so I don't really have a um much need for help I don't really need help but but last year I must just tell you

I wanted uh Elon suggested buy me a car Last year you know so so I uh it was originally going to be a Tesla which was going to be sent out here but the price was astronomical and it's we're not set up at all for anything like that so I I thought no I don't want to be outside service range and all that sort of stuff anyway that was two that was about 18 months ago and then last year towards the end of last year they said would you like a car and I said yeah

so they said well well what are you going to get why Don't you get a Jeep or something you know so I said I don't want a Jeep I want something decent so yeah sorry Jeep is very decent what I mean is I wanted something else so they said well what do you want I said I want a Bentley so Elon said sure Bentley so there's a Bentley in my garage now uh Bentley flying Spurs so it's very nice I haven't put the number plates on yet still trying to put the number plates on I

haven't got the you Know okay but you're saying that there's a foundation that basically financially supports this whole extended family somebody gets ill or or needs anything but all the single women receive a monthly uh income you know oh all the single women my ex-wife in fact haer receives an annual a monthly income all the single women and and then if they married they also get a little bit of help and so on you know so um they help they help Everyone yeah I don't really have a great need for assistance but occasionally they help

me if I ask you know if I ask they helped me with um my medical costs my medical costs were nearly were a million you know so the Medical Aid uh only provided 600,000 so they bridged that gap for me that was nice that was a big help yeah that's great I mean what Elon is doing is you can't even call it generational wealth this is Like Millennial wealth I guess yes yes I mean if the if these companies like the SpaceX go public they'd have a great deal of it would be a trillion he'd

be worth a trillion you know but of course it's not always a good thing to go public you know no no look they they do whatever is necessary financially uh to help I certainly um um have no complaints with them you know all either Kimble or Elon you know if you ask them they help you it's as simple as that No look I've always been a huge fan of Elon Musk I remember I bought a Tesla around nine years ago it was a Model S and ever since then that's the only cars that I bought

sure once you I'm my fourth Tesla right now yeah I've got a my current car is a model X plaid which is basically the fastest car in America I know that whenever I'll do interviews with like you know you know Fighters or athletes and I'll put them in the you know in the passenger seat take them Around the block and they're like screaming like little girls cuz you know they're so terrified surprise once you start the electric car I mean when I'm over there I only drive electric cars when I'm go to the US I

mean I've just been I've been twice this in the last 12 months I've spent 12 weeks there so you only drive electric cars I mean why would you drive anything else and uh oh yeah um you know I I've quite surprised with my Most recent trip or was it the one before that when you uh you the long trip to bokach chica you know you go to a Shell service station and on the one side is the petrol pumps on the other side of all the electric charging stations and the big thing is to get

in there and find an empty one an empty charging station you know because there might be like 15 charging stations and it's Qui every single one you know and you oh and uh so you wait for one to Move on you know and so you can you can go in and charge yeah so that was a new one for me quite recently but before that we always did home charging and so uh yeah once you drive an electric car you're not going to go easily go back to a petrol car no no yeah once you

go electric the thought of going to a gas station the smell the dirt picking up the the nozzle putting it in putting your credit card in dealing with the homeless guy the homeless guy that wants To wash your wash your windows and and so forth there's nothing like it it's almost like going from a a cassette tape to an MP3 yes absolutely no no it's really funny it's it's completely agree with you you know in fact uh if I went over there my my daughter's got the new x uh the one with the the doors

set up yeah yeah the model X that's what I had yeah yeah and uh yeah we really like that one really like that one she had the Y before but they've got a y and and S but the Y was for the baby she got two babies and so um but now she's got the X cuz the Y's also got three rows of seats yeah no listen uh like I said the best cars I've ever owned uh and I could pretty much buy anything if I want to buy a Rolls-Royce or a bentle I would

I would go get one but I just find these cars to be more enjoyable to drive which is why I've been buying them yeah yeah no no no no question about it no question about it in due course there Will only be electric cars I mean obviously you know it's not a not rocket sign yeah that's inevitable yeah it's not a if it's a when yes well Errol musk I definitely appreciate you uh coming in and telling your story uh I've been a huge fan of your son and you know now I see where where

he got it from so congratulations on U really your whole life and all your accomplishments along the way thank you um and U you know I feel that you're a very big part Of of elon's story and you have an incredible story yourself as well so I completely appreciate you coming in and hope to do it again thank you so much thank that's what it is until next time peace okay bye