He said there's 13 steps to becoming a saintness and you've done almost all of them already all I had left to do I had to slice my left thumb and bleed onto a document and on the final page of a five-page document I agree to sell my soul to the devil we're talking and he says basically in a nutshell Satan has chosen you to be the next high wizard can my heart ski to be these guys are sought after by everyone actors rock Stars kings queens presidents diplomat my first month I was chosen almost on
my 21st birthday and it was a few days later I found myself in Bohemian gra hello and welcome back to the OS false podcast we're interview regular people with Incredible stories today's story is one of the darkest you will ever hear and his very Graphics so watch at your own discretion Zachary King is a former Satanist and has been on a journey to expose the secrets of the Groups he used to be a part of but Zachary was not any Satanist he used to be one of the 10 most powerful people in the entire world
working with names that all of you would be very familiar with and to end up in that position is not something that happens overnight so in order to understand his life we had to go all the way back to his childhood where everything started uh it was the very first day of the fifth grade and this kid came up next to me and he said Meet me in the bathroom at the first break now this is 1976 there's no internet there there's no way to look up hey if somebody says meet me in the bathroom
don't go so this kid tells me to meet and I was like okay I don't know any better so I walk into the bathroom at 10:20 and there's about 49 other kids in there boys and girls just Milling around waiting for something to happen and they tell us that we're going to turn out the Lights and we're going to chant a phrase into the mirror 11 times and if we do it correct the spirit of a burn victim will show up in the mirror now none of us believe what we're being told you know I
haven't ever seen this in a movie or a cartoon I haven't ever had a friend tell me I've got an older brother he didn't tell me he did this um my parents have never told me this story never done the Church never heard this anywhere but this kid same age as me it's telling me this story and it's like all right let's try it and see what happens so they turn out the lights for that alerts everybody that something's different because some of us are still scared of the dark so now all of a sudden
we're in a totally dark room and you know you're in there with 49 other kids and we chant the phrase 11 times and Suddenly the mirror flickers and there's a face there that's not one of us and it looks like the spirit of a burn victim me his face is melted parshley some of the upper lip is melted over down to the bottom lip over the snarling teeth and 49 kids ran screaming out of the bathroom you know in my talks I say one child he's an idiot and call him an idiot because it was
me stayed in the Bathroom and thought I did this I chanted this phrase 11 times and I made this face appear this is incredible now remember at 10 years old you're not always the sharpest attack that mirror land there that I'm looking at is not some distant land that I'm able to tap into and it's not the room behind the mirror if you're seeing it in the mirror standing next to you so there's a demon standing next to me that I can't see That I'm seeing the reflection in the mirror and notes were ended up
being sent home because a couple of kids got hurt not like bumps and bruises HT I mean broken arm broken leg hurt and they didn't care about kids spiritual well-being all they knew was that kids were getting hurt and they were going to be sued so they sent notes home and I had to take this note to my dad my dad's in the den he's reading the Newspaper and my dad had been a sniper in the Marines and there wasn't a whole lot of love in his voice ever so usually he gets this note and
he just signs it and goes it back at me but today he read it and he got this scowl on face and in his usual loving loving tone he said have you been playing this game being terrified of my dad as I was I told him the absolute truth no so that I wouldn't get caught at school get suspended for three days and spend those lovely three days with my dad I started playing the game at home now when I played it at school I played it once day now that I play it at home
they wake up play the game go to the bathroom play the game wash my hands play the game brush my teeth wash my face play the game go out have breakfast come back Brush my teeth again play the game before I leave for school I've played the game 10 times at least when I get home from school there's usually nobody there my parents aren't home till late at night so I'm playing that game anywhere from 25 to 50 times today every time I play I get the scary face but you know I I attribute the
scary face to the law of Bulldogs Bulldogs are one of the friendliest dogs In the world with the ugliest face they W they didn't choose their face maybe this person had luck of the JW maybe they were born with that face maybe that face melted in a fire they can't control what face they got maybe they're a nice person I'm I'm not realizing at this time that I'm looking at a demon right and why did you do it so much because it seemed like you do it a few times the face appears and from the
Story that I've heard the face didn't move it was just a mobile face in the mirror right so why were you doing it so much because I could make the face appear if you could do something that no one else seemed to do I mean it went through school and they sent notes home and told you she had to stop most kids just stopped some kids kept playing it I don't know why they did because you're risking being suspended for three days Just go home and play it I did it at home and it worked
again you know I could play this anytime I wanted and every time I did it the face appeared you know it didn't talk to me it didn't it wasn't a different face it seemed to be the same face every time so it's kind of like it's familiar and I got the feeling like he was my friend even though he didn't say anything to me he didn't talk to me but I could make this face Appear all I had to do was stand in the bathroom in the dark Can chant this phrase and this guy shows
up okay well that as weird as it sounds was the gateway to the next part which I would call kind of like real magic because it has tangible effects in your life but you were already interested in Magic from a young age you were wondering if that was real then you had that episode in the bathroom and then you started doing it so obviously You're like there's something here and people didn't want you to play but you felt empowered because you could do something that most people didn't but it started to become more and more
intense when you added other spells with it can you explain where you got those spells in the first place and why did you start doing it I was playing DND with a bunch of older teenagers and there was two of us that Were playing D and D that were young kids I was 10 and another kid also 10 and I was always the wizard or the saucerer in that and I started noticing that my magic spell works every single time now I'm not doing a real magic spell you know you roll the die and find
out the dungeon master rolls the die and you find out that you made it across yeah because for context for people that don't know DND d stands for Dungeons and Dragons and it's a a board game so that this is what he's talking about so this is you were playing the board game and in the board game when you were trying to do something like with a spell you would always get between a 15 and a 20 so it would always work in the game that's what you're saying right and I guess for more context
for people it's a role playing game so you play a different role based on what the character you've created uh you have a Dungeon master that does a lot of things and sets things out so you're not actually getting to roll the die even he does that uh it's a 20-sided die um and it's a math-based game so a lot of nerds play and um so I'm having a great time playing this but my magic always works so I start thinking what if I did a magic spell in real life not in the game just
what if I did a real life magic spell and it Worked now I know better than to tell anybody I'm going to do a magic spell uh I'm a little nerdy kid I get made fun of enough as it is I don't need to be made fun of for one more thing so I I'm not going to tell anybody but I'm GNA see if it works now if it doesn't work I'm probably never going to do magic again I'll just leave it alone I'll find something else I'll start making model Cars or something but if
does work I do this every day for the rest of my life so we have spells in dndd books and the TSR gaming books that it turns out that Gary GX one of the founders of the game went to satus and asked for real spells so the game would be more authentic so there was a spell in there to give money because it takes money to run a campaign so I did spell for money and the next day I did it on a Friday Saturday I went out to play and I found a can of
tennis balls I opened it it was three new three new tennis balls that's really cool but also in the can was a $5 bill now this is 1976 the three most important things in the world to me are comic books candy bars and Penny Candy any candy now will cost you anywhere from 25 cents to 50 cents a piece when I was a kid they cost you a Penny so colic books were 15 to 20 cents candy bars were 15 to 20 cents and Penny Candy was a penny for five bucks I could get 500
pieces of candy you know you're one 500 pieces of candy that's amazing treasure drove but that could have been a coincidence somebody had to find that can so the next weekend I did it again and the next day I went out I found a $10 bill on the side of the road again everything I want's dirt Cheap and that's a thousand pieces of candy but this still could have been a coincidence so the next weekend I thought of an even more ingenious idea I don't know what that face is that's appearing in the mirror but
I'm making it appear from nowhere where is it coming from and how do I get it is it coming from heaven or hell am I Conjuring it from the cemetery maybe that's magic and Maybe this is a power that I can somehow harness for myself and do something with it so I did the magic spell for money in my bathroom at home and then halfway into the spell I did a bloody mary chance and when that face appeared I let it know I was doing a spell for money and then I finished out my money
spell you went to bed that night next day went out to play and I was at us sugar in a big unpaved parking Lot and something caught my eye something bright and shiny and I ran off to see what that was when I got to the area there's nothing bright and shiny there but there's what looks like Monopoly money M the Titan rot bands so I put that in my pocket I go back to play and eventually you know it's late at night everybody's had their bath and everybody's in bed going to sleep I'm in
my bedroom lights out but I'm sitting in my bed with a Flashlight over my head or sheet over my head with flashlight in my mouth and I'm unraveling my rubber bands to see what I got what is this treasure and I it I said it look like Monopoly money because I've never seen a $100 bill and when I unra the mall I had $1,000 at 10 $100 bills and that's in 1976 yes that that would be worth about $7,000 Now and that is well think of how many pieces of candy I can get with ,000
I mean it's unlimited that pretty much at that point no I didn't spend it all in candy I just got a lot of a lot of stuff that a 10-year-old kid shouldn't have m and um realizing that you know if I did the spell every day and every day it work like this that in one year I could buy a Lamborghini Crest which is what I wanted that was my number one dream car Lamborghini Kos you know or if I did it for three years I Could Be A Millionaire you know I'm I'm not considering
that I have to tell my dad where is all this money coming from you know my dad would probably make me stop you know doing it right it it was a awkward way to uh to talk about it so you kept you kept that secret but also I want to clarify that you didn't Find $1,000 every single day you did that spell every day and most of the time you you get like only a little bit right right yeah I I would do um it took me a long time to run out of $ thousand
and when I finally did run out of it then whenever I would do the spell again I'd get 20 bucks which is still significant like it in today's money it would be close to like $100 $100 bill right right imagine finding a $100 bill Every single day uh it's it's very significant and I understand why you wanted to go deeper so kind of got teased and then it continued to give you a little bit to put you deeper deeper into magic but a year after you started doing that or about a year after you started
doing that um you got molested by a teacher in school and I think that's when after that that's when things really went to a different level can you explain why that was so Important in your story well in my school the your time to go to the bathroom is the three minutes in between classes PE is on the far side of the school outside when you come inside from that you've got three minutes to make it all the way to the other side of the school to my next class it's a math class so I
got in there had really had to pee really bad so I put my hand up You know Teacher Calls on me and I say can I go to the bathroom you had three minutes in between classes why didn't you go then 3 minutes isn't enough time for me to go to the bathroom and come here I'd have been late you'd given me a detention I have PE before this I don't have time to make it so she gives me the pass and she tells me not to dilly dally not to play in the hole don't
play in the bathroom go do your job and come Back okay so I take that walk down the end of the hway and go to the bathroom when I enter the bathroom there's a noise in there it sounds like somebody's breathing hard in the b in the bathroom but I look under all the Stalls there's no feet and we have like five stalls and then we have a large handicap stall so there's nobody at the Ys I walk to the first door open it Nobody there next door open it nobody there third and fourth doors
nobody there this is getting Uber creepy because I can hear there's somebody in this room but I'm not seeing anybody anywhere I mean I'm checking the ceiling the corners vents you know somebody hiding if somebody had been hiding in a vent that would probably scared the crap out of me or if I looked up and seen somebody Attached to the ceiling I've seen seen all those movies you know that that would have scared me too but they're not in in any of the Stalls and then I open up the final one and there's a female
teacher sitting on the toilet with her skirt hiked up to her waist I can see your vagina but I'm 11 years old I'm not interested in sex and women are not on my radar Whatsoever I'm not even looking at girls in school and I don't know whatever it is to me it looks like she has a wound it looks like somebody cut her or something and that there's something there and she's playing with it and moaning and ring and tells me to come in the bathroom so I come into the stall and she tells me
to lock it behind me so I do that and then she sexually assaults Me and she ends up pulling down my pants of my underwear having me lay on the floor and she climbs on top of me when we were done she told me that it was my idea that I liked it you have to admit that you liked it I had to admit that I liked it and that if I told anybody I would be expelled from school I would be arrested I'd be put in prison my parents would disown me hey it's me
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right and so I can't tell anyone I have to keep this a secret then I walk back to my classroom where my teacher is saying You must have had diarrhea to be gone so long you know and baged me in front of the entire classroom keep in mind I still haven't peed you know I didn't get to go to the bathroom I was in the Bathroom I can't go now because the teacher won't let me go back she makes fun of me and then has me sit down and she says I hope you had fun
in the bathroom which made me think did she know what just happened to me or is that a routine comment that she would ask anybody but I don't know I didn't trust any of the bathrooms after that like I never went back to the bathroom in the middle school again I didn't want to be Sexually assaulted again and I couldn't do it on the way home because what if she's waiting for me in a different bathroom so I walked home peed my pants on the way home got home and put my my clothes in the
hamper and then I took a bath in the hottest water I could tolerate to make myself clean and I was doing that almost every day I did that every day from for Probably 3 weeks just trying to clean myself from the dirtiness I felt and that wasn't working and one day I was thinking about drinking bleach not to kill myself because I know that would kill me but to clean myself from the inside out cuz I felt so dirty all the time and the the one thing that made me feel better was magic when I
did Magic I was On top of the world I felt like nothing could defeat me at any time so that's what I that's what I dove further into I had a lot of books on Magic in the library and I read those and honed my skills and I was doing magic for everything sometimes it worked sometimes it didn't you know and that this that the kid remember I talked about that there were two 10-year-olds Playing DND D at the same time and then a bunch of older kids well those 10-year-olds eventually stopped coming to school
stopped going to church stop playing DND D so I just assumed you moved away the next year being 12 years old he came back to school and he came back to church and he was playing D and D again and I was like hey where' you move to and he was like we didn't move away I Was just homeschooled and my parents put me in a different church and I got different friends you know and like oh so you've been here this whole time and haven't played with me and now suddenly you decided you're going
to play with with me and he's like I found a a group of people that are really cool really awesome they play D and D every weekend and they believe magic is real why don't You come check them out well I know magic is real so okay so at my house my parents have a 26in console TV but going over to this place they had a 50inch projection screen TV you know and my house you could watch a lot of G-rated movies or a pg-rated movie if it had been vetted by my dad first but
over there they have R-rated movies X-rated movies triple xrated movies triple x-rated movies with kids in at my age you know and they told me that what Happened to me when I was 11 was very sad and terrible and should have never happened to anybody but now I can get my power back I can decide to have sex with anybody I want to nobody can tell me no and if somebody wants to have sex with me and I don't want to do it I can tell them no and they'll make me famous they will put
me in movies and people from all over the World will write in and want to see me perform so I said yes I'd love to do that they showed me a bunch of movies vids and loops and still photos and all this is naked kids most of them they're any from 3 to 15 years old most of the kids being like 8 to 12 and this looks like fun to me so they introduced me to three girls that are sisters one is eight one is 11 and one Is 14 how old are you at that
time 12 okay and these girls are going to teach me how to have sex because I don't know I don't know anything and they said you know you're going to learn with the 8-year-old first once she feels that you know everything that she can teach you you'll move to the 11-year-old do the same thing then move to the 14year old when you graduate the 14-year-old you'll be good enough to be In movies okay before we move on because I I definitely want to hear the rest of this the friend that you had told you to
go to this place they were really cool they were playing d and d and when you went there they had all this technology all this this stuff that you couldn't do at home so you thought it was cool so you started hanging out there and you had no idea that this was a satanic Covenant right to you it was just people That were nice to you were letting you do things that your parent wouldn't yeah they had um a pantry that was filled with boxes of candy bars and I didn't have to ask permission and
you you don't have to walk in there and take five at a time just walk in and take one you can go in anytime you want and pick one eat as many as you want you don't have to worry about it you know Like your dad will tell you don't eat too much you get sick well they don't tell you that you know just go ahead and eat whatever you want you get sick you'll no better next time um at my house we probably got pizza three challenge in my entire life over there I could
get pizza every night ever I wanted it you know anything that I want to eat I just tell them what I want and they'll make it or they'll buy it you know the opposite of my house you Know and my parents were the no police same as God from the perspective of the 12-year-old you thought that the Bible was always saying no your parents were always saying no and then there was this group that was saying yes so you started gravitating towards them right we were taught in the Baptist Church that Jesus defeated the devil
on the cross 2,000 years ago and he's no threat to us now and that the devil is afraid of the Baptist Church so the devil wouldn't be doing anything to me because he's afraid of me because I'm Baptist you know but if you believe if you truly believe those things then when you're involved in spiritual warfare and everybody that's alive is involved in spiritual warfare if you don't believe that the devil is any threat to you he can attack you every day with impunity because you don't think it's The devil attacking you and he did
he did to you from pretty young so let's go back now to what you were talking about with the the movies uh but first how long was it before the first time you started hanging out with these people and the time that they introduced you and gave you the opportunity to be part of those movies I started hanging out with them probably right around my birthday but that was around the first Time I went it's a couple of days after my birthday and they showed me all the porn like I'd seen every piece of porn
they had in their house probably within the first month of being there and then they gave me these three girls to sleep with around that same time I agreed that I wanted to in these movies you know this look like fun and suddenly I'm interested in girls and you know not only am I Interested in girls but I have the opportunity to see as many girls as I want to naked in real life like I'm not just looking at it in a magazine or in a video I'm going to be with this girl on the
bed doing whatever it is we're told to do you know and this is very exciting I find out that the girls are sisters and they have been involved in child now it wasn't called Kitty porn it wasn't called J Berard it was called movies but they'd been in movies since They were all three of them three years old and their mother had been involved since she was 3 years old and the when I was with the second girl and we're she's teaching me you know everything we hear the back door open up and I freeze
because that's the door their mom comes in and her mom's knocking at the door and I'm like don't open the door you know she's like it'll be okay and I'm Like terrified I'm thinking her mom was going to be like my dad you know like she's going to walk in scream at me start beating me with something you know and kill me and then once I'm dead she'll call my Dad and tell him what I'm done and then she walks in speaks to her daughter speaks to me um talks invites me to supper and ask
her if I'm learning everything as well as I should or do I need extra Time and she said no he seems to be pretty on time with everything he's learning everything he learned everything with you know younger sister first so he's pretty much on Target right now so you weren't the first one cuz she knew how long it should take so that means that she did it to other people before right and and and she said so how long do you think you'll be with the older sister She goes maybe a week or two she
I think he's pretty much ready now and um and I was like you're not mad she was oh no this is their job they they know what to do they're all to be good trainers you're in good hands and that she asked me if I could stay for supper I said I have to call my parents you know and she like okay so I call my dad and he said yes that's fine I'm just like a block behind the house so I got to stay for supper that Night and then she asked my she called
my dad and asked if I could stay for a sleepover but she also has a son and you know I'd be in the sun's room and so my dad said okay that'd be fine as long as I'm home this was like a Friday night so Saturday will'll be fine you know if I come home and then I I said I don't even know your son she goes I just told your dad that you know you can be with any of the girls you want to that's another part that's important to Mention because you were hanging
out in a satanic Covenant and your parents were claiming to be Baptist they were going to baptist church but they they definitely they weren't actually they weren't going they were forcing you to go uh but how did they not figure out that you were hanging out there and why were they so comfortable letting you be with other people because they knew almost everybody that was a Member they knew almost the entire coven they just didn't know it was coven you know um my deacons or my church are coming into my coven all the time and
they're not performing sexually but they seem to know everybody and they're talking with everybody and it made me comfortable to be there because I've seen them at church for the last 12 years so you know it seemed like a safe place for me to be and my parents knew The deacons they knew and they didn't like all the Deacons you know they didn't like everybody just because they knew people didn't mean they like them right but they liked them good enough for you know it seems safe for me to be there it didn't seem like
anything bad was ever happened you know both my parents worked they owned two companies and they weren't investigating what was going on they just saw it on the surface And thought it was okay so your parents were comfortable letting you go there because they knew the people and you were comfortable because they were letting you do things but you still had no idea that this was a satanic coven how did you find out and when did you find out um I was still 12 you now remember I'm starring in these movies now remember to that
I'm not realizing that I'm being revictimized every time somebody has sex with me because we have The we'll receive letters and they'd open up the letter it would have a certain name on the outside of it everybody that was in a porno video Loop or whatever we all had fake names so my name on the screen was Tommy people would write in and they would write in the letter and the letter is written a lot of times in crayon on paper that you would use when you were in first grade so I don't Know how
they make you write things now in the first grade but back when I went to school in 1872 um the paper was wider and the spaces were bigger and you used a fat pencil to write with instead of a regular siiz pencil you know when I was a kid that's what it was so You' get um the first grade paper would be sent in with a message written in crayon asking for Tommy to appear with a little bit we had A little girl name a little bit and nobody ever knew a real name and we
had another girl with a similar name her name was mosquito bites so we had mosquito bites in a little bit and people would request mosquito bites to be with Tommy and they refer to me as the little Hispanic kid and they would sometimes be very specific in what they wanted to see and people would read us that and we all of us felt good because we have fans and Our fans are wanting to see us in these movies and it never occurred to us that these were adults watching the videos you know we we wouldn't
have known the term pedophile back then I don't know when pedophile came into play I just don't remember hearing it so probably I was in my 40s but you know it's pedophiles obviously that are watching the movies pretending to be kids writing to writing to you or writing requests right you Know and some some of these people wanted like a picture of us but a naked still picture and then our autograph on it so we would do that and we thought you know like I'd write something funny like eat your veggies you know something that
you know kid doesn't want to hear you know and um not realizing that I'm writing this to an adult so in in your head you were famous you had tons of fans they told you You' be you'd be famous so yeah you think That you're you're this big guy that everybody knows you have no idea these are adults requesting things from you when did you figure it out and was it did it coincide with the time that you you finally understood that this was a satanic Covenant no I I didn't realize that they were adults
until probably I was in my 20s oh okay but when I was 12 years old this kid came up there just an older kid in The covin came up to me and said you know you're in a satanic covin right and he took off running and I laughed it off now now remember what I have as a reference point I used to watch the Adam West Batman show from the 1960s when Batman was on the screen Batman and Robin and Commissioner Gordon they would be upright the screen would be upright Because they're upright and just
and honest and law-abiding citizens and when the Joker the penguin Catwoman The Riddler whenever they appeared on the screen the screen was crooked because they were crooked they were dishonest you know so there's clear distinction as to who the good guy is and who the bad guy is well in my life the bad guys to me tell me No dad I want to go see this no dad can I go here no dad this event is happening in Fort Meers it's only 60 miles away no no matter what I wanted to do the answer was
no that's the bad guy and so by default the people that went against your parents or your dad were the good guys right yeah I want pizza tonight here you go you know I want McDonald's for lunch here you go I'm going to go in this room and I'm Going to have a Snick bar and a Payday bar and a zero bar and Three Musketeers and um Milky Way and um you know whatever else I want and no one's telling me you're making yourself fatter this is unhealthy you're going to become diabetic you know no
girl's going to want to date you you know no no one's saying any of that they're just like you know do you want another bar So when that guy told you you're in a satanic coven you were thinking that can't be because these are the good people right these are the good guys what happened after for you to find out well it kind of it after like two weeks I was like I was thinking on that comment every day like could he telling me could he be telling me the Truth like it didn't feel like
these are the bad guys these guys do any anything I want like with these guys I got to go see The Moody Blues in concert whatever the movie was that came out on Friday I got to go see it the same day I Saw The Moody Blues play you know I'm getting to do everything I want to do how could Satan be the bad guy so I went up to one of the members That I trust it was an adult and I said hey I got something to tell you he was like okay I said
you're GNA laugh he goes all right I said I heard this was a satanic coven crazy right and I'm expecting him to burst out laughing and Pat me on the back and tell me to go play and it's not a satanic coven but instead he says it is and my heart just dropped into my stomach and I was like am I remember no Would you like to be so this is what I was going to ask you because you didn't want it to be a satanic Covenant you were scared that's why you didn't want to
accept it and then once you found out you didn't leave but that's why the reason you didn't live you didn't leave is because uh they were giving you whatever you wanted right um you know I'm thinking about what am I going to lose well I'm addicted to porn I'm addicted to Masturbation I'm addicted to watching porn and being in it you got to be 18 to buy porn I'm 12 years old I'm having sex almost every day at least on the weekends if I quit that's going to go away now I'm also smoking cigars cigarettes
pipes and you gotta be 19 to buy tobacco I'm still 12 I'm drinking almost every day at least on the Weekend get 21 to buy boo I'm still 12 I'm taking illegal drugs practically every day and if I quit this is where I get my illegal drugs I'll get it for free so I'm probably going to have to buy them but what if they shut they cut off I Supply what if I can't get drugs anymore you know and there's prettier girls in this coven than there are in my School my girl the girls in
the school won't give me the time of day except for the ones that I'm sleeping with but the regular girls in there they won't even talk to me but all the girls in my coven I'm famous I'm a movie star you know I'm having a great time so do I want to give up everything that I'm addicted to and go back to the life I had before I joined or do I want to side with Satan um so you you thought that Satan was the good Guy which is the deception that most Satanist go for
obviously you would talk against it today and we're definitely going to get into that later in the story but I want to go back to becoming a member because you learned that this was a satanic Covenant and uh the man you were asking said do you want to become a member uh what are the steps because you did become a member how does that work can you explain it I had asked I I said yes I did want to become a Member and his face lit up he was excited that I wanted to be a
member but he had to think that I would say yes because everything he knows I'm involved in this is a an adult that I trusted so I mean I confided in him I told him stuff and he knows I've met all these movies he knows that I'm drinking every day taking drugs every day and smoking every day so he knows if I leave I'm given all that up you know and they've made sure to Give me everything that I ask for and stuff that I don't you know they're like here try a salad bowl I
was like what's that or it's just one of every pill and you just take like two and see what happens sometimes they enhance each other sometimes they can't you know cancel each other out sometimes you might have a scary experience but there's a there's a good one you know and you it'll basically it'll be Positive you know so I mean he knows everything I'm going through you know I was like sure what what's involved in me joining he said there's 13 steps to becoming a Satanist and you've done almost all them already all I had
left to do I had to slice my left thumb and bleed onto a document now left thumb because it's closest to the heart the document is five pages Long you have to bleed onto three pages and sign it in your blood the blood of Jesus washes away all sin but not mine and I signed my name to that Jesus died for everyone but not me and I assigned my name to that and on the final page of a five-page document I agree to sell my soul to the devil so this is what people talk about
we hear stories about people in Hollywood saying they sold their souls And whatever A lot of people don't believe it you're saying it's real you did it and this is exactly the the form is it the same for everybody or was that just for your coven that's for my coven but you have to renounce Jesus that's the main thing renounce Jesus and I'll ask you with what you know now is it possible to sell your soul to the devil no it's impossible to sell what you don't own so it's deception essentially Satan makes you Think
that you're selling your so so he can keep you more Bound in whatever he has you in right um you know in my talk I usually have somebody sitting next to me and I'll ask them what kind of car they drive and then I ask the audience who out there can legally sell me this person's car nobody puts their hands up I'm like why not and because it doesn't belong to us you're right that's why you can't sell your soul doesn't belong to you I Mean you may have heard God died for you Jesus Paid
the ultimate price for your soul you don't own it you can't loan it you can't lease it and you certainly can't sell it what you may have heard that the devil's a liar I'm here to confirm if the devil tells you good morning get a second opinion that's a funny quote but yeah and that's why that's why you're a Christian today because you you can't Actually sell your soul and right what what you have done is giving your will to the devil okay so now let's go back into you know the the story that you
were telling from that uh vantage point of when you were 12 you became a member by signing this because you had already done the other steps and I I think they gave you a robe at that time so robes are something that we see in like Satanism satanic covs if you see a movie on TV or whatever there's robes there's Usually a black and a red robe what do they mean and uh what's the difference between them well you you excluded one there's a white robe okay uh the white robe is the innocent person and
that's what you wear when you first come into the room they'll have a big coven meeting where they're welcoming you in and you come in a white Rob and they baptize You full submersion in a big it it looked like um an upside down demon Skull and you get baptized in that and it's human blood Pig's blood and human urine so they pull you up out of that and you go into another room and you take a shower and when you're in there you get changed into a black robe with a red inverted pentagram and
you come out with the cow raised up and it signifies you've been baptized into a world of darkness and the they read the document Off that you signed the night before they show your signature and you also pull off the banda and show your thumb so people see that it's your thumb that was sliced so it is your blood and then after everything they they give you a wheel it's about this big around and it has a crucifix in the middle and you can spin it you spin it upside down signifying human Sacrifice you grab
the Arms of Jesus and break them downward denouncing Christ and then you have an orgy to celebrate that you're now a Satanist but the reality is you're celebrating that one day you're going to die and go to hell and they tell you that this document is going to be forever entwined with this wheel in a vault and your soul is attached to this and when you die of course Satan will come and claim your Soul and then they gave me because I'm addicted to Magic I love magic and I'm always reading whatever I can find
um books or magazines or um there's esoteric weird um magazines that talk about magic that they sell in the back of adult bookstores and so I'm just embracing everything just absorbing everything that I can when I officially came into the coven everybody there that practiced Magic shared their Book of Shadows with me now Book of Shadows is your personal book where you write all your spells so you might have a different way you might do the exact same spells that I do but you do the different way you do them how they work for you
so then I would read your spell book to see how you do stuff because there might be stuff in there that I like you know where you know I'm doing my love spell a certain way and I don't like it but I like the way you do Yours so I start I incorporate some of your magic into my magic and they gave me the red robe and the red robe is for the Mage that's the official person that does the magic of the coven so anybody in the coven is allowed to practice magic but the
person with the red robe when somebody comes in and gives my coven $10,000 to do a magic spell it's the Mage that does it now you can request a particular Mage there might be five of Us or you could just request a Mage and in either case it's the guy in the red robe that's going to do it so I didn't I never wore my black robe you know I wore it when I came out of the room after I'd been baptized after I've been taking the shower you know had the the Black Rob for
maybe 10 minutes on me and then when I was done when I was officially a sist they had me take that one off and put on the red one okay so as soon pretty much As soon as you got into the Covenant as an official member you got the red robe which means that you m you would do the magic spells for the Covenant um you have a book your book is called abortion is a satanic sacrifice and so that's when we're going to get into uh sacrifices and and abortions because that was a big
part of what you were doing as a mage when did you perform your first abortion and why is that a big Deal uh well I was 14 years old it was announced that we were going to all the male members 12 to 15 were going to sleep with a female member that was 19 and this was her second pregnancy and she was what's called a breeder and a breeder intentionally gets pregnant so she can have an abortion and I was like all right that's cool and then I went home to look up abortion because I
didn't know what it was I knew That my parents one time whispered the word so I knew it was a dirty word but I didn't know anything about it and my dictionary at home was so old it didn't have the word abortion in it so I went to the library and found two books both of them two inches thick and I'm not reading 300 pages to find out what an abortion is so I go back to my cousin and ask them hey I here I've got a committed an abortion in nine months what's that and
he goes oh you're Killing a baby like that legal he goes in the womb legal out of the womb murder so satanists consider this a baby yes and why do they do it so much well our our covenant did you know we have everything from the simplest of spells all the way up to the most comp black spell which is a hex and in a hex if you're going to do a Hex you need to do an abortion with it if you're going to do something that somebody's willing to pay big money for you need
guaranteed success so to guarantee your success you've got to give the devil something he wants you give the devil something he wants he grants your request what he wants is the murder of a baby so so you murder a baby Do It For the Devil the devil grants your request your your acts is Successful and this is what we see in ancient cultures with child sacrifices they would they would sacrifice their children to have the favor of the gods or whatever favor they wanted they would do that and now they do the same thing but
they package it as something that is it's not a baby but it's exactly the same practice that he used to do right um it would have been um back in ancient times baale or molok was who they would sacrifice To and now um you know I never understood my dad used to say that people talked out of both sides of their mouth and I never understood what that meant until 2015 the 15 secret David deidon uh videos came out about Planned Parenthood and out of one side of their mouth they say it's a lump of
cells it's just some tissue and out of the other side of their mouth they're saying we're selling Baby body parts how do you get baby body parts out of a lump of cells right how do you get a brain a heart lungs kidneys spleen liver how do you get those things out of a lump of cells don't you need a baby to get baby body parts and checks out and so you got one side of their mouth going it's not really a baby and the other side of their baby we're getting rich selling baby body
parts and It's like really somewhere there's a disconnect because you're admitting that you're selling baby body parts yeah so you we started talking about this because uh you did your first abortion at 14 or or 15 around that time because you talked about they they had this party and then you were going to abort the baby it was planned this lady you called her a breeder the 19 year-old she wanted to do that for whatever whatever Spells they were going to do what was your role as the Mage they originally told me that it was
just a lump of cells they're just going to scrape out some cells they're going to vacuum it up with a little vacuum tube and I'm not going to see anything but that I I needed for me to do the hex I needed to get blood on my hands so it would probably be the mother's blood you know and you're not There to hurt the mother just get some of her blood and put it on your hands then go do your ex okay and so they had me practice though with a scalpel and an apple or
an orange or a ball of Play-Doh and practice stabbing each one of these things and that'll be this lump of cells that you stab and you know just just getting blood on your hand so don't worry about it it'll be Simple and so that's what I did for nine months you know I went and participated in the orgy with everybody else and you know she was telling me that this is her second pregnancy you know I was like what's the goal here and she said we have as many abortions as our body can handle and
the more abortions we can do the higher position we get in the end and that's what it's all about is power and Money you know and if she can have 15 abortion she'll be on to of the world and that's why they fight so hard for it some people some people probably are listening to this and and they don't believe it uh but there's there was this story a few years ago I know that you're aware of it this satanic church that I think they filed a lawsuit saying that s abortion was a their religious
right that's the satanic temple and that was I think in Minnesota they have opened Their own abortion clinic in New Mexico so it's like the Samuel Alo abortion clinic or something like that Nam named after I don't know if it's named after him or his mother mother but they're saying his mother should have aborted him and then a row versus Wade would not have been overturned this this is this is um heavy stuff and I feel like the the mothers uh especially if if some moms have had abortions are definitely going to relate To uh
how serious of an issue that is but let's go back to I guess your story because that abortion I think you performed at 15 but eventually you went you left and went to college and you had to leave your Covenant but you still were a Satanist you wanted to find a new one how did you find a new covenant in this new place you were living in well you know I was thinking that this coven was in my hometown there were two Satanic covens one had people that I didn't like that was like the lack
of a better term white trash you know they were just bad people and it made sense that they would be in a satanic coven with bad people joining a bad group my group seem to be nice people you know ultimately both groups were satanists you know but you had to be in the know to know these satanic covs were there I didn't know if if that kid at 12 Years old had not recruited me I would have never joined you I wouldn't have known there was a satanic C there there I passed by that house
with the three girls in it almost every day I never knew that they were in a satanic COV or that they were starring in child pornography or that they were Trainers for kids that didn't know anything about sex you know and I live a block away from Them you know so all this is going on under my nose that I didn't know about when I go to a big city how am I going to find a satanic coven and I thought they're not going to advertise it in the Town Square how am I going to
find it and I figured the best way to find it because I knew in the swingers magazines in the back in the classified ads there was satanic covs advertised back there so I might have to do something like that but I found it instead because they advertised it the square my school had a student union and they had like the Baptist and the Catholic Student Union and the Republican and the Democrat student union and the wicked and the satanic student union and I went to their satanic student union meeting one time and this is a
bunch of kids away from home for The first time with no adult supervision and they think that Satan is all about taking drugs getting drunk having sex well I've been doing that since I was 12 I don't need a satanic covant for that and these guys make up magic spells on the spot and they'll be getting drunk and they'll say I'm gonna pop open this beer can take a drink put the beer can in front of me wave it over my head three times and then I'm going to down The whole beer shotgun it and
then I'm going to throw it in that trash can and if I make it tomorrow I'm going to be given a brand new truck for free like that's not a magic spell wish yeah but it's nonsense yeah and then they would make that up and then the next day they wouldn't get any drun and they'd be like oh well it didn't work try it again next week so this is where we got to talk about uh the two different types of satanic Covenants because there's obviously this satanists that are worshiping the devil but there's also
Satanist that say they don't believe in God don't believe in in Satan can you explain what the difference is between these two and how is it possible that there's two different kinds of satanists well it's like I said before there's probably 10,000 different covens you know and there's like a coven for anything there's covens out there for Incest there's human trafficking covs there's drug coven you know anything that you can think of there's a covenant for it but the the very basic is there's atheistic and theistic there's a covenant called The Joy of Satan they
are in probably the top five biggest covenants in the world the joy of Satan and in the joy of Satan they're theistic they believe in God and they believe in the devil but they believe that God is the bad guy and Satan is the good guy and they have their own Manifesto you can go I don't know if it still is but years ago you used to be able to go to their website and they had their own Manifesto written up where they tell you about God being the good the bad guy and Satan being
the good guy and I've heard that from other people before that's usually uh the tune that they have that God is horrible I see it in the comments a lot a lot of people comment That either Jesus and Lucifer are the same person or that Jesus and God is the bad guy and Satan is the good guy because he gives you whatever he wants that's usually what I hear from people that do believe and that do worship Satan or Lucifer or whatever you want to call him and then you said there's also atheistic covs then
there's atheistic who believe that um Satan was the first Rebel and he's a cool guy he's not real They Don't Really worship The Entity Satan they more worship Lucifer and they don't really worship him at all they don't believe he really existed uh he was written in by the church to control the people to make the people want to donate money to keep the devil at bank or you know for whatever reason that they believe in science and logic even though science and logic point to God right um they're they're obviously Illogical because they're not
seeing that connection and they believe that they want you to keep your laws off their body they want to worship whoever they choose to Worship in their own way and do it all their way and not have anything to do with religion okay so let's go back to um where we were at in your story you were looking for a coven and the only thing you could find well the First one you went to was just a bunch of kids doing like stupid stuff they weren't actual satanists but you knew that magic was real you
had been doing it for a while so I imagine you didn't stay there and you started looking for others and eventually you came across the the big deal I would say the big church um how did you find out about it and what is it exactly I had been to this satanic coven meeting a couple of times and you know The final straw for me was that I found out our coven meetings were on Saturday night and then on Sunday these guys would go to church and they're not going there to break the church up
they're going there because they're Christian and they got to get Sanctified and be ready to send the rest of the week and then come back there again on Sunday and get Sanctified it's like what is the satanic Covenant you belong to You know and they're like um it's just a club we not really say this while I was looking for that coven I had read a book at the library and in the book this guy talked about going to Bohemian Grove and so I tried to find any other books about Bohemian Grove and I could
find books that referen where Indian Grove but nothing about Beman grow and trying to find it on a map wasn't doing that either and trying to find somebody That had heard of it i' found like a random person here or there that's heard of Bohemian Grove and they know it's in California but they don't know anything else about it I had also got that same book referenced the Illuminati and so I'm looking into the Illuminati to see if that's real and I find a lot of references to the Illuminati but nothing that really told me
who they are and how to get in contact with now My first C had been an OT coven and so I asked them hey you know you guys seem to be in the know about a lot of stuff so um I'm looking for a covenant that might know something about bamian Grove might know something about the Illuminati I'm looking for a covenant really nefarious you know and nobody is I'm not finding the group that is I'm just I'm finding all the that are Not you know any ideas can you help me and they told me
that there was a covenant called World Church of Satan or Satan's World Church two different names same coven and they're also a Diablo sex coven now my first coven was a Diablo SE coven also and coven that embrac the name Diablo sex are into human trafficking child prostitution child pornography and I was like okay I mean that would be comfortable I I would understand That and they gave me a phone number they said call this number should work if it doesn't work call us back so I called the number and it was just a voicemail
message but it allowed me to leave a message so I left the message of my name and my phone number and that my coven had put me in contact with them so it's a few days later they called me back and they told me to bring my ID and there's going to be a party and a lot of stuff happens at the Party so come prepared for whatever and I'll probably have to park about two miles away and the party starts at 9:00 at night but people do get there sooner than that so I went
it was about 9:00 at night when I got there I drove all the way up to the building and it's about the size of a super Walmart and the building the whole building is shaking like you can tell there's there's like a huge party Inside and there's parking lots all around but every parking lot is packed so I had to drive about two miles away and then walk back when I get back I walk up and they ask me for my name so I gave them my name and my ID and they searched the list
found my name checked me off and welcomed me inside they held the door open and I walked inside and walked in a maze of black curtains so you walk in you walk through Like five little corridors of black curtains and then the curtain opens up and you're standing there and there's like 10,000 people in this room and there's like a DJ set up with people dancing there's a rock band further in that are playing a live show there's benches and couches and chairs people sitting there talking there's a table set up with Pizza there's another
table set up with snack foods and there's another table set up with beer there's another table set up with hard liquor and then there's tables set up with different drugs so if you want to do mushrooms or smoke weed there's a table for that you know if you want to snort cocaine there's a table for that if you want to shoot up with Heroin there's a table for that you know if you want to take MDMA and acid there's a table for that and you know I'm looking I'm watching the entire room I'm walking all
over the place in the very back far right corner there's five or six giant beds all pushed together and about 20 people on them having sex everybody's naked and this girl looks up and says you're free to join us just take off your clothes and join us you know and this is like 1984 the age crisis is in full swing There's no way I'm jumping on this [Music] bed I was like you guys have fun knock yourself out I'm g go over here and walk look at something else and I'm standing there talking to this
guy and he kind of looks like he's just a and not quite sure what to think either so I come up and strike up a conversation with him now let's go back to me being 13 years old when I was 13 Years old I was out of Sleepover one night and I got up about 3:00 in the morning to go to the bathroom and get a drink of water and I saw this guy walking through the house never seen him before or since but he's wearing a tuxedo top hat had a wand in his hands
and corbs paint on his face he looked like a member of Kiss wearing a tuxedo and I was like that is the coolest look ever I don't know what that is but I like it and he looks at me sees Me Winks at me keeps going and I'm like oh that's awesome so I go to the bathroom get my water go back to bed next day I approached somebody and I said hey I saw a guy guy here last night a tuxedo with pain on his face you look like a member of Kiss wearing a
tuxedo who was that he was you dream that what you dream that that didn't happen so now my C's lying to me no problem I'll just lock that away Somewhere in here and one day I'll find out who that was so now we go back to the party I'm at the party I'm 18 years old and similar look not the same guy but a similar look walks past me tuxedo Top Hat wand in his hand corpse pain in his face and I grabbed this guy and I was like who is that what is that how
can I do that and um he was like who ran your coven I said we had a huge coven 125 to 150 members at any given time and we're run by 13 High priests and priestesses and the Mage does the official magic the Mage wears the red robe and he goes okay he says well we have 1.1 million members worldwide and we're run by a CEO and board of directors and the high wizard does the official magic that was a high wizard I was like well how can I I do that you have to get
the devil's Attention it said that the devil handpicks the ey wizard so and I was like how do I get his attention he goes I don't know I'm not an ey wizard so I knew that I had to get tied in with the high Wizards I know that abortion is what the devil wants so I know abortion will get the devil's attention so I decid that I was going to get tied in with the abortion grap let them know that I used to do them with my Previous coven and start get getting in with them
and and doing as many as I can do so I managed to do about five or six of them over the next few years like two or three years and I got to talk with some of the high Wizards and I I told them that I wanted to be a high wizard and they asked me why and I said well I've been practicing Magic since I was 10 I verified that it worked at 10 I then joined a satanic coven and became the Mage so I wore a red robe with a black inverted venogram and
I did that from uh 13 to 18 and then I went in search of this coven and I said I saw a high wizard when I was 13 years old but I didn't know that's what I was looking at and since I figured if that's what you are I would love to do your Job just because I hear you guys practice magic all the time and I love magic and I'm good at it and he goes well if you're going to be the high wizard you got to be good at it you have to have
at least 90% accuracy before we continue can you explain what that is the the success rate and how that's calculated once you do a magic spell all stats are kept by the World Church of Satan in the office there's people that follow your Stats exact you have 90 days for a spell to work so let's say I did a spell for you and you paid my covin $100,000 for you to make $10 million which may not be entered as 10 million dollar it maybe just entered as a large sum of money I have 90 days
for that spell to work let's say though that it takes 91 Days on the 91st day you get $10 million I failed at my magic that goes against me because it took 91 days instead of 90 so this counts as a failure is not not even you don't get like half points because it came after this is total failure total failure no by the same token if it works in one day you don't get extra credit either you know you get it was successful now the only difference is let's say that we do a Spell
that's going to take place in five years or 10 years or add an UND determined place in the distant future you get credit for those spells they say it's not fair that it go against you just because it's going to be at maybe 20 years in the future no one's going to watch that spell to see if it ever worked or not right you know they don't care if it works but if you if you're willing to go take a chance and do something that may or may not Work then they're willing to pad your
stats with it okay so let's go back because we're back in the story and at that time you're not a high wizard yet you talk to high Wizard and he told you that you needed at least a 90% accuracy rate and then I don't know how long like what the span of time was but at one day you get a letter from the board of director of the the World Church of Satan which is the church that you went to with the big Party and you get a letter from them in the mail what was
your reaction to that well it it's not just people that are in being invited to be the high wizard that get those sometimes you get one of those because you did something wrong and you brought shame or a scrutinizing eye upon the ministry and they didn't want that scrutinizing eye and some people show up and they're Never seen or heard from again you know and then I get this letter in the mail postcard actually and I thought you know what if this isn't good news so I went to my local uh gun store and in
Florida there's a two-e cooling off period to buy a handgun that's almost exactly the time I needed I picked out a 9mm s sour and about 10 additional Clips and about 200 rounds of ammo and a clip belt so I show up for my meeting and I don't know what to expect I don't know is this going to be a good event am I going to be shot I didn't want anyone to be able to get behind me and luckily that they issued me in and they ushered me into this room and it was this
big plush leather chair and it was pushed up against the wall so no one's going to Get behind me and they set me down and there's that the entire board of directors isn't there but the the CEO was there and we're talking and he says basically in a nutshell Satan has chosen you to be the next high wizard can my heart skip to be you know and I was like really why And they just rush over that they didn't say why or how they gave me this light blue book and it was called the high
wizard handbook and it's just a bunch of drawings so on the on the cover is a picture of a high wizard that's been drawn and then you open it up the first page says no one can tell you what to do and that was like my favorite day I was like no One he said look what should I wizard it's up to you whether you do the magic spell or not we may come to you and say somebody paid us a million dollars here's the spell you can look at it decide whether you're going to
do it or not you don't have to do it there's nine others of you guys and there's between two and five in the world the number could be as low as one or as high as 10 so Satan picked You to be one of the 10 or however many number but maximum of 10 high Wizards in the world and from what I understand these in terms of on this planet these are the 10 most powerful people on earth right pretty much magically speaking yes and you know these guys are sought after by everyone actors rock
stars kings queens presidents diplomats um everybody that wants a magic spell and knows that they can get One from somebody that is reputable and it works I mean if you really want to spend 200 bucks on a spell on eBay you can do that if you want to I have no guarantee that's going to work you know our our work isn't exactly 100% Ironclad I mean you may ask for a million dollars and get a 100,000 but you got something 100,000 is better than zero you're going to get on EBay and so you become the
high wizard s hand picks you and that's when we get into the Illuminati and Bohemian Grove and build a br group my first month I was chosen almost on my 21st birthday and it was a few days later I found myself in Bohemian Grove now when I heard I was going I was thinking I wonder if they're going to take me to a bar that's called the ban Grove like is real Place is this like a restaurant in debuk Iowa or something you know I have no idea and then you know I end up you
know the plane lands in California then we landed in San Francisco and we went to I think it's in Monteray and you know it's like 2600 Acres of redwood trees like this does not sound exciting and my first day I'm dressed I I travel with a makeup artist and she also gets me Dressed and if you're female you're not really supposed to be there so my makeup artist is a female uh some of the weight staff are females and they all have to sign uh non-disclosure agreements so you're talking no females are allowed in Bohemian
Grove right so but like I said my makeup artist is a female so she six I have my own trailer when I'm there and she puts on my makeup and helps me put my costume on and out in the door I go this is my first Official job your first job as a high wizard was to go to Bohemian Grove right and just so in case your listeners are curious what does the high wizard look like I have descri it's a it's a tuxedo of some sort a corpse man on your face a top hat
and a wander a cane I chose a cane because I thought let's bring a little class because a wand looks hokey looks it looks like I don't know It just doesn't look real yeah I'll put a picture up if I remember for people to uh to see kind of what it looks like if you go to YouTube and look up the artist Pink the official video of like aill she has a high wizard that appears in her video four times the final two times he's in the middle of a ritual or a spell and um
So I step out the door dress like this and I don't know do these people see ey Wizards on a regular basis I don't know am I the first one they're going to see or am I old hat is everybody used to seeing me and I stepped out the door walked about 10 feet some guy came up to me shook my hand welcomed me to The Grove and said he's been waiting for me and I said who am I to you he said you're the high Wizard you're the guy that makes all of our dreams
come true may not exactly be the dream I'm looking for but I know the routine you know so all right so while I was there I met with the Illuminati now they have um a Mr black and a Mr White now the first time you meet them you know nothing special but the next time you meet them Mr Black and Mr White Are not the same Mr Black and Mr White what do you mean Mr Black and Mr White change every time you meet them it's a different Mr Black and Mr White but every time
you speak to them I don't know what you're saying is being recorded or if they take excellent notes but let's say you met with one of them today two weeks from now you met with two different Mr Black and Mr White three weeks from then you met with another son of Mr Black and Mr White and you've never met before and you want to talk about a conversation you had to Mr Black and Mr White's AG go but you don't know if they know about it so you bring up listen um about a month ago
I was having a conversation and they'll start telling you about the conversation well you said this and we Said that you said that we said this well which part of you having a conversation which part of you mean so I told them the part and they jumped right into where they were except it wasn't them and they tell me the conversation and they're able to tell me you know the part that I'm having a problem mod I'm remembering it incorrectly and they tell me what was said I have a Question are they humans they are
humans how's that possible I don't know how that's possible thank you for watching part one of Zachary's story we ran out of time and had to schedule a part two that you absolutely won't want to miss if it's already out I put the video here but if it's not subscribe to the channel and stay tuned and as always if you want to hear the beginning of this conversation head over to locals while you'll get Access to the unreleased footage of the interview I'll see you in part two but in the meantime enjoy your day and
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