Anders Breivik: The Utoya Island Massacre | ENDEVR Documentary

In April 2011 the Brivic Geoarms up business in a farm in Norway. The company is owned by 32yearold Anders Brivic. On paper, the company grows vegetables, melons, carrots, and turnips.

In reality, it is a cover for manufacturing exposives fromers and chemicals. No one is aware poses a threat. No one finds anything suspicious.

Norway has no reason to fear a terror attack. The country has the highest standard of living in the world and extremely low cri rate. [Musikk] World War the social democratic labor party has been the country leading political party.

They advocate openy and take a liberal approach to immigration to this poses a threat. He sees himself a fighting against Islam and political parties that fa multiultural society. [Musikk] [Musikk] Synne hun var en livsglad jente og jeg er veldig stolt av henne.

Men det var utrolig flott. [Musikk] Hun tok en tatovering uten at jeg visste det. Eh, og den tatoveringen tok hun uka etter at hun ble 18 og myndig.

Eh, og så kom hun hit til meg i påsken rett etterpå og dro opp armen og flyte, se her mamma. Og så så jeg at det sto kjærlighet på norsk på armene hennes. Og da klarte ikke å bli sint.

Jeg synes den var veldig fin. [Musikk] Den tatoveringen har jo flere tatt etter henne. Så etter at hun ble drept så har jo og flere venninner tatt sammen tatoveringen og og hennes storesøster ikke minst og en av lærerne også gjort det.

Så det var en utrolig flott måte å hedre henne på. [Musikk] Our most important job was to treat him like any other criminal when it was very hard for us to do so eh for the whole society to do so. be easier to think of him as a monster or not human but he is human [Musikk] a lot of people ask of course ifers bering breivik will be free again our system is like that we believe in people doing their punish [Musikk] [Musikk] So this room was our main meeting room where we had meetings with visiting prime minister Presid I worked two floors down from here on the 15th floor at the press department and the prime minister's office was one floor down on the 16th floor so we had to run up and down a lot during normal day at the office.

[Musikk] This is where he met President Obama when he came to receive a Nobel peace prize. 22. juli, en dag i fellesferien, stille og rolig.

Eh, jeg begynner på vakt eh klok 2. Eh, vi begynner vakta med parole oppe i kantina her i høyblokk. It was my last day before I should start five weeks of summer holiday.

We had to reply to newspaper about a boat that the prime minister had received for his 50th birthday. I went to the prime minister's residence. He was giving an interview with one of our main newspapers.

We took photos of him in the rain with a large umbrella. After that, I went back to the office. I remember saying hi to the two ladies sitting at the entrance.

And then I took the elevator up. [Musikk] I sat in my office, no writing on my computer. Jeg kollegaen min sitter i og har matpause i nede i miljøentpartementet når vi hører et kjempesmøll fra oppi byen i retninger regjeringskvartalet.

Jeg går i hvert fall ut for å sjekke. I just remember enormous pressure of air that actually exploded my window, threw me on the floor, and of course I didn't realize what had happened. Eh, I was thinking, wow, what was that?

Was it a bomb on the roof or something? Bu my office was on the 15th floor so I didn't imagine that something on the ground could affect us that hard. Eh, det kommer papir og støv og alt mulig rart gjennom lufta.

Eh, jeg plukker opp et av de papirarkene som jeg ser lander på bakken og ser at det står Justisdepartementet på det som holder til i høyplokk og skjønner at nå nå har det skjedd noe alvorlig. [Musikk] Vi skjønte jo fort at de som eh satt i resepsjon måtte være drept eller har skadd. For det resepsjonen var jo helt borte.

Altså bomba hadde blåst tvers gjennom hele første etasjen. Store deler av resepsjonen lå ute på andre siden av bygget. Jeg så jo de i etterkant når politiet begynte å å når du begynte å spole tilbake for å finne veldig spesielt da.

Men du du ser jo det opptaket som jeg så var jo fra fra når bilen svinger inn hvor han går ut. For da var man veldig fokusert på å få en beskrivelse av gjerningsmann. [Musikk] Det var ikke spesielt enkelt system, men det var ikke noe spesielt moderne system vi hadde.

Så det var jo det var ikke ideelt for å finne gode bilder av en gjerningsmann. Det var det ikke. Det lille jeg så, det var bilen som svinger inn, kommer opp på gata, eh, svinger inn.

[Musikk] Og så ser du en kar som går ut av bilen. En mørkkledd kar. vanskelig å sjeldne hva altså vi så det var en type uniformering.

Det var det vi klarte å se. I remember thinking that I should be in shock now. And I probably was, but it was another feeling than what I thought chock should be.

I called the office of the prime minister in his resident. He picks up the phone. I think I asked him something like, "How are you?

Are you fine? " He said, "No, I'm fine. What happened?

" I told him, "Something must have exploded. Everything is broken here. Got a t-shirt to stop the bleeding.

" And I went directly to the prime minister's residence. We were there in a rather small room together. We plan for him to go on both national TV channels.

I don't remember the exact time, but I remember when the first message came that something was happening at Utøya. UT har vært i AUF sitt eie i veldig mange år og vært et viktig sted for politisk diskusjon og for eh å samle unge fra hele landet som er engasjert i politikk men også for å spille volleyball og fotball og synge i korskig på somer. Eh, så det har vært eh ekstremt viktig av sin historie.

Og så vi var fire gode venner som skulle delt helt. Perfekt vær. Det var ja, gøy med politiske innledninger.

Det var fotballkamper. Jeg husker liksom stemningen veldig godt at det var veldig god stemning. [Musikk] Så the Island is a very small island really.

It takes about 10 minutes to walk around. I usually describe it as being shaped a bit like a volcano. It kind of has edges and then in the middle of crater and in the crater where the camping area was around the edge there's woods and forest.

I went there really to see see my friends. This was my third time there. So I kind of knew what was going on and and the spirit of the place like coming back home.

Jeg sto i vaffeltet og så var det noen som har hørt om at det hadde vært en eksplosjon i Oslo. Eh så vi ble litt sånn overrasket, men diskusjonen gikk egentlig mest på, ok, men det må ha vært en gasseeksplosjon eller noe som har gått gart da. Ehm og etter hvert så ble man jo mer og mer klar over at det kanskje var mer alvorlig.

Oslo in my mind had always been a safe city. Nothing dangerous really ever happens there. In many ways, it's the most boring city in the world.

Ehm, but then all of a sudden having that feeling of safety ripped away by seeing that this was also a place that could be attacked was pretty surreal. And so we were told that something had happened in Oslo. We were told that I was probably safest to stay on the island.

Det var mange som er bekymret for folk de kjent. Jeg fikk til slutt tak i mamma og pappa, men jeg husker liksom at jeg hadde veldig sånn ubag. Eh, og hun sa svart meg at ute er det aller tryggeste stedet du kan være.

Vi kan godt komme og hente nå hvis du har lyst til det, men det er nok det tryggeste å være på øy utenfor Oslo. Ehm, så det husker veldig godt at de sa [Musikk] [Musikk] unders kills people in a bombing immedioses takes car and drives to island but the roads are busy and bri arrives much later than planned [Musikk] at 5 o 90 minut after the expos he takes the bringing with him two cases [Musikk] [Musikk] [Musikk] over the hill 70 met from where we were standing a guy in dark clothes came walking over the hill and some people ran towards him and then I saw him lift his gun and shoot down boy who was running towards I turned around somehow and ran into the woods with my friends. And in the meantime, the shooting continued.

I heard gunshots all the time. Then I walk down onto the track that goes around the island, the socalled love track. A lot of people were standing there confused about what was happening and we advised people to try to hide and and be quiet.

Lå døde folk der og jeg bare husker at jeg tenkte sånn er de virkelig død? Jeg så for meg liksom at etterpå så skulle alle bare reise seg og ha lat som de var død eller ehm at de liksom lå helt rolig fordi at de tenkte at nå tror han sikkert jeg jeg er skutt eh og drept. Men det var helt sånn surrealistisk egentlig.

Helt sånn så å si hele uten så er det en stig som går rundt. Og det kalles kjærlighetstin fordi at det er typisk der man går hvis man var litt forelsket noen så tok man seg en tur på kjærlighetsin. Så vi sprang sprang bortover der.

Og på et tidspunkt så er det noen som har laget en sånn et køsystem for å få folk nedover eh mot vannet. Det er ganske bratte stup på den siden av øya. for å liksom gjemme seg under noe klippet.

Det følte vi hadde byttet om på å ha panikk. Jeg husker at det var veldig mye rare tanker som dukket opp i hodet mitt som at jeg glemt å bestille eh PC til skolestart for det er et sånn system der du skal melde deg opp at du skal ha PC. Og så tenkte jeg det blir veldig dumt da får jeg ikke ha PC når jeg starter på skolen.

Og så tenkte jeg at å ja men det er kanskje ikke så farlig. Jeg kom meg kanskje ikke på på videregående. [Musikk] Jeg var ekstremt redd.

All den følelsen av å være eh så redd for å dø, det er veldig veldig ubehagelig. Along the track a young boy was sitting. He was e years old.

He was afraid and looked very alone. [Musikk] While the Ghots was continuing around us constantly and I was lying halfway on top of this boy and covering his mouth and and making sure he didn't scream or or run away. He wanted to look for his father but looking for his father would be really dangerous.

And then after a while the guns came closer to where we were and a group of people came running through the woods and in the group was another young boy. So I took the two boys and ran with this crowd along the track again. It struck me how incred quiet such a large grape of teenagers can be.

We were like 30 people. It was dead silent between the gun shots. The gunman was not far from us.

We continued running through the woods. Eh, så det gikk ganske kort tid fra vi kom inn i den lille fjellhylla som ikke er særlig stor. Og som Brevik og har sagt i intervjuet etterpå at han så alle som satt inn under, men han turte ikke å gå ned i skrenten han var redd for å bli dyttet.

[Musikk] Da ble jo folk det var skudd for han sto oppå skrenten og skøyt ned. Eh og det var masse skudd og masse folk som falt. Og jeg husker at jeg tenkte det må jeg ikke se på.

Jeg må må lukke øyene mine nå fordi at det kommer til å bli verre om jeg ser. Eh, og så tenkte jeg neste sekund, ok, men hvis det her skal etterforskes, så må jeg jo se alt. Da må jeg jo huske det.

Så var veldig sånn der, jeg klarte ikke helt å bestemme meg verken for, ja, om jeg skulle være helt stille og vi, eller om jeg skulle liksom hylle, eller om jeg skulle ha eh øyene åpen eller ikke. Og vi begynte å snakke med hverandre at alle måtte skru av telefonene sine. Var veldig redd for at han skulle skjønne at det satt flere folk der da.

Selv om de ettertid visste at det skjønte den jo. [Musikk] Det lå folk som var skutt rundt omkring nedover hele skrenten. [Musikk] Det området der jeg gjemt meg på ut er et av de områdene det flest folk ble skutt og drept i den skrenten.

Helt sånn ut av deg selvopplevelsen redsel som du aldri som jeg aldri hadde opplevd før. Det er bare man er så redd at man mister helt litt kontroll på seg selv egentlig. [Musikk] about us.

We could see a helicopter in the air and we could see boats in the water. We were fairly sure that we would be safe very soon. This man in a police uniform came out from the woods behind us and he said theyve caught a bad guy and that we were safe when he lifted his gun and started shooting at grape.

For a moment there I I told this was my last moment. I'm going to die now. And there I saw Brav take aim at me.

But Brav missed me. Politiet. Ja.

God dag. Er kommandør Anders Geivik i den norske antikommunistiske motstandsbevegelsen. Jeg er på utøyet for øyeblikket.

Overgi meg. Ok. Så hvilket nummer ringer du fra?

Jeg ringer fra eh mobil. Nei, ikke min mobil en ann for walked back up on the island where he was arrested by the police the real police. The young boys were kind of panicking.

myself was also in state of shock. My shock kind of manifested in trying to take care of the boys as best as I could. In many ways it was really helpful for me to be able to help someone else I think and be able to care for someone else in that situation because if I was there like just by myself I would have taken it in in a very different way.

The two fathers of the two boys been volunteering as security guards. They were among the first people that Brav when he arrived on the island and among the first people to get shot. Sorg er hardt arbeid.

Skikkelig hardt arbeid. [Musikk] Politiet trodde jo først at syndnet var hadde druknet for den hadde så store lungeskader. Det viste seg jo å være angst at hun hadde vært så redd og hyperventilert så mye at lungene hadde tatt skade.

Det det er det er ikke noe godt å tenke på det. Det er grusomt. Mange streifskudd.

s stykker totalt etter at de løper gjennom skogen. Så eh det det er rett og slett helt umskelig. [Musikk] Hun ble identifisert deligvis på grunn av den fine tatoveringen hun hadde.

Hun var lett å gjenkjenne. Guro var en av mine aller beste venninner. Men det var et forbilde.

Hun var to år eldre enn meg, så jeg var jo 16 og hun var 18. Så det var liksom ja, synes det var veldig gøy at hun som var 18 år og som hadde lest så mye flere bøker og gjort så mye mer enn meg hadde og lyst til å være så god venn med meg. Så hun var venninne som jeg snakket sammen med på telefonen.

Vi var jo på uten en god stund, men når man kom på ut så ble man samlet på et hotell alle som hadde overlevd. Men guro, hun kom aldri til hotellet. ble hengt opp lista med typisk høyde og navn hvis man hadde eller utseende på det hotellet med folk som hadde kommet på sykehus og guro passet jo ikke inn i inn i inn noen av de beskrivelsene.

Så jeg burde vel skjønt på tidligere tidspunkt at hun var drept med. Jeg tror bare jeg ikke ville ville ikke få se det. [Musikk] Guro ble dr inn i det gamle kafebygget bak et piano og ble drept med å bli skutt i lungene.

Jeg vet ikke hvordan det siste liksom tiden hennes var. Eh, men hun ble drept ganske tidlig på ut. [Musikk] It wasn't until late night that we got the message that one person had been arrested at Uta.

He was a male. He wasegian and I think at the same time we got news that he had published his manifest as well. So we kind of got a picture of what kind of person it was.

We will not be intimidated or threatened by these attacks. The aim of such attacks is to spread fear and panic. We will not let that happen.

We must stand firm in defending our values. Norway is an open, tolerant and inclusive society. Only to open debate can we overcome extremism and intolerance.

Og det som er skremmende å tenke på, som vi bare må forhindre, det er jo dårlig eh beredskapen var den gangen i forhold til å avdekke. Det kom jo inn tips om bilen hans. Eh han kjørte rett forbi politistasjonen på vei utøya.

Så det er mye ting som kan ha kunne ha gått bedre. Politiet burde hatt bedre utstyr. Burde visst hvor ute jeg var.

Noen av dem visste ikke det en gang. Helikopterne kom ikke. Eh, jeg har jo sett en liten film fra rett før B kom eh av min datter og sammen med noen andre som ble drept hvor de hvor jeg hører helikopter i bakgrunn og jeg ser ansiktene dem så de tror de er reddet.

Og så var det media. Det var ikke politi. [Musikk] Level of navity that Norway was exceptional in that terrorism couldn't happen there and that's really kind of frustrating.

took them way too long to get to the island and there was a lot of of things that are are really kind of fundamentally wrong with how the police was handling handling the case eh from pretty much the explosion in Oslo and and onwards and Norway was not at all prepared for something [Musikk] A lot of people asked us why wasn't he shot at Utøya? Why didn't they kill him when it was possible? [Musikk] Why take the costs of a trial?

eh the economical cost and the emotional costs. My opinion is that it was very important for Norway that he was caught alive. We met in a very very small room to have our first meeting and one has thoughts about what kind of person does such terrible act and why that was a big questions.

You didn't want to be declared insane. This was an act that was wanted by him. [Musikk] He wanted to enlighten his political view.

He wanted what he called fireworks to get draw attention to what was his political meaning. And that is that is why it was important for him of course not to be insane because an insane man's political view is of non. On April 16 trial of Anders Breived murdering.

Jeg var veldig spent. Eh, så tar de og låser av han eh håndhjernene. [Musikk] Og så gir jeg deg en nilsen.

Det var musestille. Du kunne høre en rundt knappene og falle. Og så gjør han det.

Eh, og det går jo et sukk gjennom hele forsamlingen. Eh, jeg hører noen gråter litt og, men ellers så tror jeg de fleste av oss var jo i sjokk om at noe sånt kunne skje. Og da spør jeg deg, erklærer du deg helt eller delvis skyldig i denne tiltalen?

Eh, jeg er kjenner handlingene, men ikke straffeskyld. Og jeg påroper meg nødrett. Når jeg gikk ut døra der, så traff jeg noen eh europeiske journalister eh og de klarte ikke helt å skjønne hvorfor tok dommeren hånda til Breivik.

Ja, hvorfor gjorde han egentlig det? Men det er noe vi nordmenn gjør for det det er en sånn dyp del av vår kultur at vi tar eh tar hånda til hverandre uansett om du liker personen eller ikke. Det er bare sånn man gjør det.

Ja vil ikke tatt hn Jon men dommeren måtte. [Musikk] Courthouse had to build a new courtroom. Not because we needed a new quarter, but because it was important that this trial went for open doors for everyone to see and to in order to understand why this happened and how Norway nation deal with it.

here in court our backrooms where we went to the restro and the other social rooms we shared with the victims and we thought at the start that could be difficult one can understand them being angry or to frame their grief and their sorrow and hate to us defending the terrorist but it wasn't like respect we need trial and that was very strong that did something with all of [Musikk] First time jeg så brien trial felt like when you're on a roller coaster and you get pulled up the first hill kind of stingling feeling in your stomach. There was this build of pressure in my guts but I never fell. just disappeared just to be in the same room as him and experience that and experience that he no longer post a threat to me which was also a big step for me to know that this guy who tried to kill me can no longer hurt me that was very very good for me I think in so many ways I'm a massive politics geek.

I knew a lot about how the legal system in Norway works and I knew that 21 years was the maximum sentence. It is a strangeness of the Norwegian court system strangeness that I'm kind of proud of or entire juridical system is based on the theory that you can be reintegrated and rehabilitated from being a criminal and so the rate of people who come out of prison and commit crimes again in Norway is extremely love [Musikk] from a legal perspective Bravin and that's always been fairly evident to me. He planned the attack for a long time.

It wasn't acting in some irrational fit. He knew what he was doing. He was calculated.

There was a lot of push to try to change the system so that he could get a lifetime sentence. A lot of the motivations for ruling him criminal insane would be to actually be able to imprison him for life as well. Although in a mental institution rather in prison treating him like any other convict to show that everyone's equal before the law even for worst enemies.

a way of leading by example really and showing that he was wrong in how he wanted to treat others. [Musikk] One main aspect of rehabilitation in Norwegian's prisons is a sort of principle of normality that you bring the society inside the prison. course important in Norwegian prisons to work for deradicalization of the people sitting there and not hating the society and the state.

a very difficult matter to deal with but I think to get the prisoners think differently it is possible mostly by the same method as we are raising kids giving them education giving them opportunities to have a job opportunities to have a place living and living ordinary life like all of us and I find it very strange that are some politicians arguing for stronger and longer sentences in many other countries. They see that the crime rate is much higher where they are just eh putting all the efforts in long sentences and tough sentences. My vision was to be tough but we needed also to be in a way soft giving the prisoners chance to to get a new life and that is reducing the crime and reducing also the people coming back to prison.

I'm not sure about it. Anders Bering Breivik was sentenced to 20 years in prison. That is the longest prison time we have in the Norwegian law system.

But it is in his verdict that he has to be found not dangerous to society before he releases from jail after those 21 years. So every five years that can be tried again. So it is in a way theoretically that he will be released if he has changed his mindset and that this board the judges will find that is not a danger to society.

He shall be released. [Musikk] Det var frustrasjon helt til å begynne med veldig. Ehm, da var jeg fullt av hat.

Det det må jeg bare være ærlig å innrømme. Og jeg hadde så jeg ønsket at han ville ha vært drept ute på utøya. Som mamma så tenker jeg at han burde ha fått 21 gang 77 år.

Men samtidig så respekterer rettsvesenet vi har i Norge. For stort sett så fungerer det bra. Dette her er et ekstremt tilfelle som som vi har underlåst i skfunksj.

[Musikk] Det som var som skjedde da som var godt å kjenne på som et elleratt, det var jo samholde. Det var mye kjærlighet. Det var vel kanskje også litt for lite sinne, ser jeg nå i etterkant.

Eh kjærligheten ble overstrømmet. Eh den strømte på deg, så det å følge sinnet, det var liksom ikke helt tillatt. Eh så det det kom jo mer i etterkant.

Så gikk gikk tiden og jeg kjente at det der hatet som begynte å fylle meg, det ga meg jo ingenting. Så jeg tok en avgjørelse om at jeg skal komme meg videre. Og hat er ikke måten å gjøre det på.

Eh, så jeg har jo forsonet meg med at det har skjedd. Eh, men jeg har kommer aldri til å tilgi det. [Musikk] I wanted to try to figure out what had happened to me.

Try to understand why it had happened in some sort of way. But I wanted to understand what happen to Bravic as well. as part of that also starting the process of figuring how can we prevent other people from going down that path and and becoming like Brav I really kind of want to do is is build societies in which people don't become criminals in the first place a lot of people think we should be harder on criminals when they commit crimes I want to create a society which people don't get to a place where they have to commit crimes history comes from similar to me in many ways but he locked himself in a different bubble than me he lived in a different world than me a world that was driven by fear by fear of people being different and so I invite you all to break your bubbles.

Speak to someone who is vastly different from you. Someone with a different worldview someone with a different way of experiencing and seeing life. And by speaking to each other, we can fight extremism together.

Pappa sa alltid når jeg vokste opp at det motsatte av kjærlighet, det er ikke hat. For hvis du hater noen så har du sterke følelser for dem. Jeg tror jeg føler mer sånn like gyldighet eller mer sånn jeg er sint på Brevik og er sint på det som skjedd, men jeg er og sånn jeg orker ikke å bruke tid og krefter på han.

Så ikke bedre at nå jeg ble valgt som nestleder i AUF i oktober. Eh og det har vært veldig veldig gøy og måtte fortsette med eh fordi at når man opplever at man så nesten har blitt drept fordi eh de meningene man har, så føles det enda viktigere å kjempe for dem. Eh, og sånn føles det fortsatt.

Eh, det føles fortsatt ut som både for min egen del, men og for guru og alt det hun trodde på at det er viktig at vi fortsatt å tar kampen.